Tommy Edman Heads to the Dodgers and Erick Fedde to the Cardinals in Three-Way Swap with the White Sox

The Dodgers lineup has been hit hard by injuries, particularly their infield, which in recent weeks has lost shortstop Mookie Betts, third baseman Max Muncy, and multipositional backups Miguel Rojas and Chris Taylor. On Monday, the team made a move to shore that up, acquiring versatile former Gold Glove winner Tommy Edman — who himself has yet to play a major league game this season after undergoing offseason wrist surgery — from the Cardinals as part of a three-team, 10-player trade that also involved the White Sox.
In the full deal, both the NL West-leading Dodgers (63-44) and the Wild Card-chasing Cardinals (54-51) acquired one player for their lineup and one for their pitching staff, while the White Sox (27-81) loaded up on young infielders. The head count for the deal includes two players to be named later, though the teams could instead exchange cash. Here’s how it all shakes out:
Dodgers get:
- INF/OF Tommy Edman (from Cardinals)
- RHP Michael Kopech (from White Sox)
- RHP Oliver Gonzalez (from Cardinals)
Cardinals get:
- RHP Erick Fedde (from White Sox)
- OF Tommy Pham (from White Sox)
- Cash (from White Sox)
- Player to be named later or cash (from Dodgers)
White Sox get:
- 2B/OF Miguel Vargas (from Dodgers)
- 3B Alexander Albertus (from Dodgers)
- 2B Jeral Perez (from Dodgers)
- Player to be named later or cash (from Dodgers)
Edman, a 29-year-old switch-hitter who historically has been stronger against lefties (117 wRC+) than righties (93 wRC+), is a contact-oriented hitter who doesn’t walk much but who has some pop to go with his speed. He batted .248/.307/.399 (92 wRC+) last year for the Cardinals while hitting 13 homers and stealing 27 bases; for his career, he’s hit .265/.319/.408 (99 wRC+). In 2023, he split his time between shortstop (46 starts), second base (40 starts), center field (37 starts) and right field (six starts), continuing a career-long trend of never staying pinned to one position for very long. He played more third base than anywhere else in as a rookie in 2019 and in ’20 as well, and has dabbled in left field here and there. In 2021, the year he won the NL Gold Glove for second basemen, he made 35 starts in right field and three at shortstop as well as 115 at the keystone. When he’s healthy, he should fit right into a Dodgers roster that has a lot of moving parts, but his health is a question mark, and beyond his ability to steal a base — something the Dodgers besides Shohei Ohtani haven’t done much of — he doesn’t have a lot of upside offensively.
Edman missed three weeks last July due to right wrist inflammation, and the injury hampered him through the end of the season. He actually hit for a higher wRC+ after the injury than before (98 versus 89), though he did slump just prior to being sidelined. He underwent surgery on the wrist in October, but by early March it was clear he hadn’t recovered enough to be ready for Opening Day, as he was still experiencing lingering pain due to inflammation. A planned rehab stint in late June was forestalled by a right ankle sprain. He finally returned to action on July 9 with Double-A Springfield, but played just four games before reinjuring the ankle just before the All-Star break. Though Edman has been able to return to hitting, he’s been limited to DH duty, hitting a thin .207/.294/.241 in 34 PA spread over eight games. The lack of defensive work means that he’ll need to continue his rehab assignment for at least a few more games.
Update: Shortly after this article was published, the Dodgers reacquired utilityman Amed Rosario from the Rays in exchange for Triple-A righthander Michael Flynn, a move I’m shoehorning into this analysis post-publication as it may affect how (and when) they’ll deploy Edman. Rosario, a righty-swinging 28-year-old, split last season between the Guardians (where he played himself off of regular shortstop duty with woefully bad defense) and Dodgers, then signed a one-year, $1.5 million deal with Tampa Bay. He’s hit .307/.331/.417 (115 wRC+) with a career-high 4.6% barrel rate but just a 2.5% walk rate, though his real appeal is as a lefty-masher: He owns a 121 wRC+ in 455 PA against southpaws since the start of 2022, and a 92 wRC+ against righties in 1,035 PA over that same span. Defensively, he’s made 18 starts in right field, 17 at second, and 10 apiece at short and third. His metrics are brutal (-5 DRS and -3 FRV in center, -5 DRS and -4 FRV at the three infield positions), but the samples are small; he hasn’t played more than 153.1 innings at any position — probably for a good reason.
Assuming Edman returns in a timely fashion, the Dodgers will probably slot him at shortstop initially; until then, they may opt for Rosario over Nick Ahmed, who debuted for the team on July 24 but could be on the bubble, roster-wise. Betts — who’s played 65 games at the position after playing 16 games there last year — has been out since an errant fastball fractured a metacarpal in his left hand on June 16. Cleared to swing a bat last week, he could be about two weeks away from returning to the Dodgers lineup. Once he returns, the Dodgers could deploy Edman at third base, as Muncy’s progress in his return from a strained oblique suffered in mid-May has been “stagnant,” per manager Dave Roberts. The Dodgers were 29-16 when Muncy last played, but they’ve gone just 34-28 since, with their third basemen hitting a combined .169/.253/.263 (52 wRC+) in a lineup that’s distinctly lacking in length. Enrique Hernández, Taylor, and Cavan Biggio have done most of the damage in Muncy’s absence; none of them has hit well at any position, with Biggio posting an 86 wRC+ overall with Toronto and Los Angeles, and both Hernández (70 wRC+) and Taylor (62 wRC+) even less productive.
If the Dodgers ever approach full strength, Edman or Rosario could share time at second with the lefty-swinging Gavin Lux, who’s hit for just a 33 wRC+ against lefties this year (94 vs. righties). Edman could also find time in center field, where the Dodgers have netted -0.1 WAR with a 73 wRC+, mainly from Andy Pages, a righty-swinging rookie, and James Outman, a lefty whose struggles have sent him shuttling between L.A. and Oklahoma City.
Both Edman and Kopech are under control though 2025. Edman is making $7 million this year and is signed for $9.5 million next year; he’s also got awards-based bonuses in his deal. Kopech — who moved to the bullpen after a dreadful 2023 season spent in Chicago’s rotation — is making $3 million this year and will be arbitration eligible one more time. The 28-year-old righty is renowned for having thrown a 105-mph fastball as a minor leaguer back in 2016. He still averages 98.6 mph with his four-seamer, and is viewed as having fantastic stuff by our two pitch-modeling systems (he throws his cutter slightly more often to lefties and his slider slightly more often to righties). However, his command is an issue; in addition to striking out 30.6% of hitters, he’s walking 12.6% (both improvements compared to last year), and he’s also served up 1.65 homers per nine, so he has a gaudy 4.74 ERA and 4.82 FIP in 43.2 innings:

Kopech has saved nine games and generally has a late-inning profile, but he’s going to be a bit of a project for pitching coach Mark Prior and company. The Dodgers bullpen ranks fourth in the NL with a 3.64 ERA, but it’s 13th in FIP, and it’s been downright terrible since the start of July, posting a 5.77 ERA and 4.74 FIP in 93.2 innings, tied for the second-highest total in the majors; relatedly, their banged-up rotation has a 5.10 ERA and 5.47 FIP in 100.2 innings this month, the majors’ second-lowest total. Righty Evan Phillips leads the team with 15 saves, but he has just two over the past five weeks, as Roberts has more often turned to righty Daniel Hudson, who has four saves since July 12 and seven overall; lefty Alex Vesia has five saves, and both Blake Treinen and Brent Honeywell have one apiece.
As for the Cardinals, their big addition is Fedde. A first-round pick by the Nationals in 2014, he spent parts of six seasons (2017-22) with Washington, getting knocked around for a 5.41 ERA and 5.17 FIP in 454.1 innings. Upon being non-tendered in November 2022, he spent a year pitching for the KBO’s NC Dinos, where he flat-out dominated, going 20-6 with a 2.00 ERA and 2.38 FIP in 180.1 inning. His performance earned him All-Star and MVP honors as well as the Choi Dong-won Award as the league’s top pitcher, and it rekindled interest in him stateside. The White Sox signed Fedde to a two-year, $15 million deal last December.
As Eric Longenhagen detailed when Fedde signed with Chicago, he improved primarily by raising his arm slot, boosting his changeup usage, and reshaping his slider (Statcast classifies it as a sweeper). On a team whose current .250 winning percentage is level with that of the 1962 Mets, Fedde posted a more-than-respectable 3.11 ERA and 3.76 FIP in 121.2 innings — a performance far better than he ever managed with the Nationals. With his sinker/cutter/sweeper/changeup mix, he’s striking out a modest 21.5% of hitters but walking just 6.8%, and generating a healthy 44.8% groundball rate:

It’s a command-over-stuff profile, but then, this is the Cardinals. After a 91-loss 2023 season in which their starters were lit for a 5.08 ERA and 4.61 FIP, they spent this past winter reshaping their rotation by signing free agents Sonny Gray, Kyle Gibson, and Lance Lynn. All three have been solid but unspectacular, with Gray the best (3.79 ERA, 2.85 FIP) as expected, but the unit nonetheless ranks 12th in the NL with a 4.44 ERA and 10th with a 4.09 FIP. Andre Pallante, a 25-year-old righty, has spent the past two months as the fifth starter, succeeding where the likes of Matthew Liberatore and the now-inured Steven Matz have scuffled. His 3.42 ERA and 3.78 FIP in 47.1 innings over nine starts is, uh, miles beyond the work of Miles Mikolas (4.99 ERA, 4.25 FIP). Thanks to Gray’s backloaded deal, Mikolas is currently the team’s highest-paid pitcher, however, so it would be a surprise if he ends up in the bullpen, whereas Pallante pitched in that capacity for the Cardinals for the first few weeks of the season.
In Pham, the Cardinals are getting a familiar face, as the now-36-year-old outfielder was drafted by the team out of high school in the 16th round in 2006 and spent parts of five seasons in St. Louis from ’14-18, when he was dealt to the Rays for three prospects (Génesis Cabrera, Roel Ramírez and Justin Williams) just ahead of the trade deadline. The White Sox, with whom he signed a split deal for a $3 million salary in mid-April, were the sixth team for which he’s played since then. In 297 PA with them, he’s hit .266/.330/.380 (102 wRC+) with five homers and six steals.
Pham isn’t hitting the ball as hard as usual. His 90.5 mph average exit velocity, which places him in the 75th percentile, is nonetheless down 1.6 mph from last year, when he was in the 93rd percentile, and both his 7.2% barrel rate and 39.9% hard-hit rate are in the 40s, percentile-wise; last year, they were in the 69th and 89th percentiles, respectively. He’s still an effective lefty-masher, with a 141 wRC+ in 61 PA against southpaws this year, and a 118 in 392 PA since the start of 2022, compared to a 93 wRC+ (in 1,008 PA) against righties. Dreadful defense (-13 DRS, -6 FRV, and -2.5 UZR, all in 570.2 innings spread across the three outfield positions) has offset the modest value of his offense. He’s got no business in center field, though that’s one of the positions where the Cardinals landed on my recent Replacement Level Killers list, and there is at least a natural platoon fit. In Edman’s absence, rookie Victor Scott II started the year in center but went just 5-for-59 before being sent down. Michael Siani, a lefty-swinging 25-year-old rookie, has done the bulk of the work since, hitting a meek .245/.284/.319 (73 wRC+) but playing stellar defense (12 FRV, 8 DRS, 6.1 UZR including his brief time at both outfield corners). He’s hit for a 44 wRC+ in 80 PA against lefties, so letting Pham take some starts there may not be the worst thing, defense be damned.
Trading Edman was reportedly part of the Cardinals’ attempt to remain payroll-neutral. In dealing him, however, they’ll miss the chance to shore up not only center field but also second base, where Nolan Gorman struggled to the point of making the Killers list.
In a separate post, Longenhagen has analysis of Gonzalez, a 17-year-old righty who’s currently in the Dominican Summer League, and goes into detail regarding the White Sox’s return, but here’s a thumbnail guide. The 24-year-old Vargas, who placed 48th on our Top 100 Prospects list in 2023, fizzled in half a season as a rookie last year before being exiled to Triple-A Oklahoma City. He’s hit .239/.313/.423 (108 wRC+) in 80 PA since returning from the minors in late May; where he played mainly second base last year, he’s been almost exclusively a left fielder this time around. The 19-year-old Albertus ranks 16th on the updated White Sox list as a 40-FV prospect. The 19-year-old Perez, meanwhile, has been reevaluated since he went unranked on the Dodgers Top Prospects list back in March, though he was included in the “Contact-Driven Profiles” section of the honorable mentions. He now carries a 40+ FV grade and is 12th on the updated White Sox list. Initial reports of the trade also included 21-year-old shortstop Noah Miller, but he was not actually part of the deal.
With less than 24 hours to go before the July 30 deadline, the odds are the none of the three teams in this trade are done. The Dodgers have taken a reasonable step to patching up an injury-created weakness while also find a successor for the Hernández/Taylor multiposition role (it’s tough to imagine either of those players on next year’s roster given their struggles); if Edman can provide league-average offense, he’s a boost. They’re still hunting for “an impact-type arm,” with the White Sox’s Garrett Crochet one pitcher who could fit the bill. The Cardinals are looking to improve their bullpen, as is every other contender. The White Sox still have Crochet and Luis Robert Jr. as big-ticket players to restock their system. We’ll see what awaits.
Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.
A while ago the Dodgers used to make deals like this all the time where you wondered why on earth the other team agreed to it. Like when they dumped a whole bunch of spare parts on the Reds and got Jeter Downs and Josiah Gray back. This is one of those deals.
There’s risk here because Edman is hurt, but if he comes back he is an excellent solution to their shortstop woes. But somehow they gave up no player of consequence…two 19 year olds in A-ball who are just doing okay, and a post-prospect.
How do they convince teams to do this? Do they hypnotize them or something?
Vargas has some hitting potential, and can probably be a 2 WAR player for the minimum now. ZiPS thinks so. Of course he has to find a defensive home. But yes, Edman is the easily best player in this deal when healthy.
Agree on Vargas, he could be an average-hitting regular some years.
I think Vargas is probably above replacement. But a 2-win player is asking a lot for someone limited to the left field and who doesn’t hit the ball hard. I can’t believe anyone wanted him.
Well, the Chisox do need help everywhere so it’s not that they can’t use him. It’s that, barring something odd with the PTNL, he’s all they got for one of the more coveted pitchers on the market.
Look at what the Nats got for Thomas: one immediately useful, similarly limited if, and two high ceiling teenagers. One for now, two for later.
Not saying Tena compares to Vargas, but Thomas doesn’t quite match to Fedde’s current value either (Not in a starter-limited market) but the Chisox are gambling a lot on two teenagers. It’s like Kopeck and Pham were being DFA’ed.
It looks like an awfully light return for the spare parts, to say nothing of Fedde.
Having the budget to help other teams warehouse costs has got to be a big part of it
The Nolan Gorman at second base experiment must end but I am not sure the Cardinals are willing to admit defeat on this in-season. In light of that, they did extremely well. Fedde is their second best starter now, and they got him for a guy who they weren’t sure would be healthy this year. I like Fedde more as a #3 in the playoffs but it’s certainly better to have him in the #2 slot than not have him at all.
Not all at! Gorman still a league average hitter despite his contact issues this year, and it’s always been a nice surprise how he’s developed into a decent defensive 2B despite being a large natural 3B.
The Gorman experiment has been mostly a success and must continue as long as Arenado is blocking 3B.
I agree with you on Fedde, though.
Although, Edman’s health from early August onwards is very likely now that he’s back on his rehab assignment with the ankle setbacks behind him. His wrist has been fully healed for a while now.
Third worst fielding percentage, worst OAA, fifth worst DRS, second worst UZR/150 among qualified second basemen. But hey, this is clearly your team, if you like watching him play defense maybe that’s all that matters.
Yeah, Gorman’s Statcast page is practically nightmare fuel. OAA in the 4th percentile. Arm strength in the 18th percentile (suggesting maybe he’s not really a third baseman either?). Squared-up %, Whiff %, and K% all in the FIRST percentile.
He DOES have good numbers when he makes contact, but I just wonder if he’s in the Javy Baez class of players who might have been beasts in, say, 1987, but are just too easily outfoxed by today’s endless parade of pitching wizards.
Seems like a really good deal for the Dodgers pending Edman’s return and the PTBL’s. I never cared for Miguel Vargas or almost any of the Dodgers’ recent crop of prospects, including Jacob Amaya whom they traded in the 2022-23 offseason. Good to see them unloading these guys who don’t seem to have much promise.
The Dodgers followed up by getting Amed Rosario.
I sense more DFA’s coming.
You can never have too many SS. AJ Preller said so.
Cleveland agrees.
Ramirez, Giminez, Rocchio, Martinez, Schneeman, and Freeman. And that’s not including guys like Arias. Dang, I didn’t realize just how many SSs they have right now.
I will say that the Dodgers seem to have fallen off a bit in roster construction. I’d noticed how poorly Yarbrough was doing in terms of peripherals and was wondering why they were hanging onto him so long. Same w/ Paxton and Syndergaard last year.
They’re in 1st place by a decent margin but haven’t helped themselves either in terms of giving innings to the best guys (though Yarbrough and Paxton luckily outperformed their peripherals by a lot) or giving them to guys with long term upside.
Same applies to trading for a bunch of middling rental position players same as they did last year w/ Rosario, Kike, and others. This also applies to using Chris Taylor and Kike so much this year despite bad results.
As much as people talk about the Dodgers’ payroll a major part of their success was that they were consistently using their bench to look for new longterm additions with promise (ie Justin Turner, Max Muncy, Chris Taylor). Glowup candidates who had longterm control. Sometimes it worked terrifically, sometimes it worked for a little bit (ie Trayce Thompson), somtimes it didn’t work at all (ie Sheldon Neuse in 2021). But there was very little risk and a ton of upside which is part of how they ran out such deep teams despite drafting low and being buyers.
They appear to have abandoned that approach the last few years, and it seems to have resulted in them becoming an incredibly top-heavy team constantly running into these emergency crises (ie not having a real SS for 2 consecutive years).
Like the yankees, they’ve become a stars and scrubs team.
Not a good place to be long term.
To an extent, they seem to be suffering of “Giants disease”, hanging on to known quantities long after the players have aged out of the roles they are using them for. It is telling that, as good as Edman might be when healthy, they traded for him when he isn’t. And followed up by trading for another knwn-quantity utility player who is. They are attaching some added value to the name beyond what the player brings.
Looking at the farm, LAD has quite a few good-enough prospects to bring in good-enough regular players to fill their holes reliably yet they keep bringing in retreads and utilities.
Positional flexibility is a valuable added-value skill but no substitute for actual production and the Dodgers now are counting on, what? six utilities to fill everyday holes?
A rethink is in order, methinks.
Well put
Edman was a 5 Win player just a couple of years ago. His baserunning and defense were really good. Dodgers got the best player in this deal when healthy and didn’t give up much.
When healthy.
Which is when?
There is no proper place to make this comment but I feel compelled to make a statement. The Automated Ball and Strike system cannot come soon enough. I was watching the Mariners – Red Sox game tonight (7/29) and in the bottom of the 3rd a blown call on pitch #5 to Wilyer Abreu destroyed any chance the Mariners had. For those interested go to MLB and check out Gameday. Pitch #5 is clearly an inning ending strike but Andy Fletcher missed the call and Logan Gilbert, clearly upset, appeared to collapse. The Red Sox went on to score 7 runs and the game is essentially over. Maybe it is just me but I believe I have watched a large number of game altering bad calls on pitches this year. I would prefer to see a completely automated ABS but at least a challenge system is something. I am now checking the Worcester schedule to see when I can watch the ABS in operation.
Waaaaaaaahhhhhhhh, waaaahhhhh waaahhhh waaahhh waahhh
uh, what team do you think “bosoxforlife” is a fan of?
I wondered how many readers wouldn’t catch that I am, and have been for 75 years, a die hard Red Sox fan. I am a baseball fan first and foremost and I want the players on the field to determine the outcome of the game and not the man standing behind the catcher. If plays on the field can be adjudicated by modern technology then the heart and essence of the game, the confrontation between the pitcher and the hitter should be as accurate as possible..
What the hell does it have to do with this article though?
Human umpires are some of the last pure aspects of this game. Would we want a robot in the outfield if we saw the player drop a ball to lose the game?
Hate to agree with you, but yeah, individual calls can absolutely turn a game more than run values can capture. Most of this is due to a player’s inability to control their emotions after, but they shouldn’t be put in that position in the first place. I think ABS is a bad solution, but the challenge system holds promise. Nobody every struck out on a 3-0 strike outside of the shadowzone, but nobody ever took their walk when that happened, either.
Your comment is basically why I prefer to completely ignore run differential as a measure of team performance. Scoring x-number of runs against Garrett Stubbs cannot possibly give an accurate picture of the true quality of the teams involved. Win 3 games 3-2 then lose 14-4 and all the numbers mean nothing.
It’s fine shorthand, and works better in big samples, but there are better ways to skin that cat. My own work uses strikeouts, walks and expected production on contact to arrive at player and team figures for hitters and pitchers. Here’s an example.
Surely a good offense would score more runs against Stubbs.
Maybe? Hitting off Stubbs is a different skill than hitting off regular MLB pitching. Also, the incentives are different in blowouts (not all batters try that hard when the position players take the mound)
It’s definitely plausible, but I don’t know about “surely”
You definitely taught me something in addition to your well thought out comments. I wasn’t aware of Gameday untll now. It is amazing how this call may have helped to contribute to Gilbert’s demise last night. The frustation in his body language was evident. As an older fan, I hate taking the human element with the umpire out of it, but it may be time. In a meager defense of the umpire, I umpired a game behind home plate only once in my much younger years and it was the most thankless task I was ever “volunteered” to do. I appreciate your comments as they exhibited no bias in any way, except to state the consequences of a blown call.
The beauty of the challenge system is that it is still the umpire making those calls, but a couple times a game the batter or pitcher can ask to defer to the robot. Minimal downtime, still human umpires, players get a chance to air their grievance instead of being told to eat it or get ran.
Pham returns to the team who played Matt Adams in left field over him
I think Matt Adams is still available
Sometimes it’s better to not make a deal than to take a low offer. Chris Getz either really, really likes Vargas or was desperate to unload Fedde and Kopech before they go bad or get hurt next year, though there’s no indication of that happening so far with Fedde in the top 10 in Bwar and top 20 in Fwar. As Jay writes, Vargas was the 48th best prospect last year, he walks 12% of the time and only strikes out 19% of the time. So maybe he can put up 2 wins for each of the next 4 or 5 years and thus having the White Sox waste $15M for the likes of Benintendi or Castellanos in the FA toilet.
The problem is that the Astros just gave up Jake Bloss, Eric’s #92 prospect for command-over-stuff Kikuchi, who’s a rental. Thus getting the #48 prospect from last year for a year-and-a-half of Fedde seems ridiculously light. (Who knew how valuable Tommy Edman is?) Likewise, Kopech hasn’t been great, his eye-popping stuff not withstanding. Still, why not hold him and Fedde until next season when they could have gotten a 50 and a 40+. Seems like the White Sox gave a year of control away on each for free.
Again, maybe Vargas is thought of as significantly more valuable than Bloss, so everything I write is moot. Will wait for Eric’s write-up. On the surface though, I think Chris Getz painted himself into a corner by stipulating:
1) I signed Fedde to flip him so I must flip him now.
2) I won’t look at any offers from AL Central teams
3) I strongly prefer position players even at the cost of taking lower-ranked prospects
4) I don’t think we can dev (per Brad Johnson) so I need a majors-ready prospect
5) I’ll use Fedde’s money (and Moncada’s, Jimenez’s, Brebbia’s, Hendriks’, etc) to sign more Fedde’s to flip next year.
Point 5 seems far-fetched so I’d rather Getz just waited until the off-season or next year to trade Fedde and Kopech.
I am waiting for Eric’s write up but this has been the most confounding trade deadline I have seen. The Rays appear to be giving away good players and then the White Sox do this.
I would sure hope my GM is pestering Getz and Neander, that’s for sure.
Serious question – is Vargas even better than Joey Wiemer? Who the Brewers just gave up for a much worse and more expensive Montas.
Oh and Fedde has an extra year of cheap control. Wiemer can play a legit CF while I think you’re hoping Vargas can walk the tightrope of being an above average hitter (despite having little power) and being a butcher in the field.
I don’t think so, but I’ve been high on Joey Wiemer for a while. I think he can be an everyday player in center field.
Please just do me a favor, take me out back and make it quick.
With the way the Sox have been run the past 20 years I would have guessed their fans like it slow.
How is it that’s all the White Sox got for those 3?! Looks like another fleece.
It’s probably not all that surprising that the front office, which is essentially just an extension of the previous guys, who have made terrible moves for years, and years, and years, have made another one.
The one thing the prior front office did well was trading established veterans for prospects. Might be the only thing.
Yeah, I don’t think you can compare this FO’s deals so far to the previous administration. Dom Fletcher looks like an absolute bust for Christan Mena (who hasn’t been good this year, but he still has a solid chance to be better than Fletcher), and now this? Terrible.
Thanks for the in depth article. IMO the team that had the first piece to move were the White Sox.Fedde and Kopech are both sort of buy low guys. Cardinals don’t fret over over seas pitchers. Kopech might just become a star getting away from a team that has shown they can’t develop their talent for years. * then promote that Farm Director to GM. YOU CANT MAKE THIS STUFF UP. A few hours later, Houston and Jays make a trade. Fedde I believe controllable with option for one more year, and Kichui (sp) a FA in 2025. Look at what the Jays got in return for that rental, compared to the Whire Sox…
Am I nuts to think the Sox got fleeced in comparison? That was the best Getz could do? Jay, your thoughts please.
You’re not nuts. Pretty much everybody thinks the Sox got bent over a table.
It’s pretty rad that Mr Pham will be returning to the org that he despised for jerking him around at the start of his career. I hope it actually goes well but it might be interesting too!
I agree, this is wild. Gutsy move by the Cards’ front office by trading for Pham at the deadline because it reminds everyone about what a terrible move was to trade him in the first place. The Cardinals thought Pham was such a huge clubhouse problem that they traded him for Genesis Cabrera, Roel Ramirez, and Justin Williams. The first comment on the article that FG wrote up about it was “But why tho?” and it had 28 upvotes. And then Pham went to put up two and half wins for the Rays in like 175 PAs after the deal.
As a Cards fan I didn’t like that trade the moment it happened, and obviously it’s only grown worse with age. That said, Pham has played for 8 different teams in the past 7 years. If we can believe news reports about his off-field and clubhouse antics, he certainly seems to be something of a maniac*. The Cards were somewhat quick to part with him, but it seems they’re not alone.
*Then again, maniacal can also be a good thing, and apparently a few Cardinals pushed Mozeliak to land Pham b/c they like his drive and passion.
I know people are only allowed to like when a team acquires big leaguers, but Michael Kopech and Tommy Edman are such wild cards to produce anything I don’t understand the infatuation here. Sure, the Dodgers could fix Kopech, but he’s been terrible for most of his career and Edman has been so injured he has only amassed 34 PA at AA this year, none of those in the field, and his wrist seems permanently damaged. Has to be hard to play SS like that.
Los Angeles has real needs in the staff, bullpen and throughout the lineup. This isn’t even a band-aid for those problems. Yes, they have hurt players who could come back and make an impact, but relying on hurt players to both get back and on track is a silly notion for a team with championship ambitions.
It’s always astonishing to see folks roll out their analysis template based solely off which team is involved. If the Dodgers are serious about winning they’re going to have to do better than this.
To be fair, Kopech has only been terrible for half his career, and the raw stuff is kind of impossible to ignore.
Edman’s wrist doesn’t appear to be as bad as you’re making it out to be here. It’s inflammation, not structural damage. If the Cardinals suspected that, they would have sent him for an MRI already, and there’s no way the Dodgers would have okayed the trade. Speaking as someone who went through injuries often, both baseball-related and not, inflammation is a b**** and a half. Not surprised he’s struggled with it to date, but unless you have a condition like rheumatoid arthritis, it will fade eventually. Heck, look at Michael Brantley’s 2016 shoulder injury. He kept having setbacks that year too, and doomsayers were out in force. He went on to remain productive for the rest of his career and retire just last season.
As for the Dodgers FO making weird decisions, that’s a fair criticism. They do need to make dedicated positional improvements instead of depending on utility gap-fills. You aren’t going to get several prime Chris Taylors to fill all your needs.
I have Kopech with one season where he was a difference-making player, and that was in 2021. Tommy Edman is a similar story with the past two years being mostly lost, and for reasons that should lead to a change in expectations of the observer. The injuries he has gone through are no light matter. They are to fundamental pivot points on the human body that need to be able to work optimally.
Inflammation is a sign of something going wrong. It is the body’s warning system to stop what you are doing, because you were already warned with pain that you ignored. Playing through the injury last year likely made it a whole lot harder to get better in the long run, but now it’s another team’s problem. I wish him well because he was a dynamic player at one time, it’s just that hitting approaches impossible when everything is going right and wrist injuries push players over the line.
Los Angeles spent over a billion dollars this offseason to win the coveted title of Best Offseason Champs, but has mostly coasted for the past month or two banking on players getting back and the deadline filling the remaining gaps. Instead, they’re running a rotation of spare parts with no SS or 3B in sight, a platoon 2B, and stars at DH and 1B. Mookie can’t do it all by himself despite being another star and like with Edman, hand injuries make it realllllly hard to hit even after rest and treatment.
I am unsure if their approach is due to little financial wiggle room, but they’ve already committed a ton of resources to this team, and if Oakland or Tampa Bay did this deal we’d be hearing about how they’re ruining the game. A guy who can’t throw, another who can’t find the good parts of the zone and a poor defender who only hits lefties are the kind of glue guys that a nearly complete team like the Phillies should be acquiring, and it appears they are. Los Angeles needs good everyday players who can be relied upon in a playoff series. Still time, of course, but it looks like Kershaw’s final season is going to end as disappointingly as the past few.
Here’s the Edman table as it will not allow me to post multiple links.
You know what else causes tremendous inflammation? Surgery. Which Edman just underwent earlier this year. Post-surgery inflammation, especially for something as invasive as wrist procedures, is of course going to cause lingering issues. Furthermore, the outcomes in terms of how he performed look exactly like someone with a wrist injury would perform. Lower power, but similar contact numbers, exit velocity, and plate discipline, and next to no drain on his fielding. He hit the ball into the ground more often, that’s it.
Tommy Edman Stats: Statcast, Visuals & Advanced Metrics | baseballsavant.com (mlb.com)
Compare his 2022 and 2023 outcomes. None of his actual physical indicators look like they changed. The entire difference was launch angle (which also effects Barrels). Everywhere else, he looked the same.
I appreciate that he’s injured, and that right now, there are clear flags. But completely changing his entire career outlook because of playing through an injury seems disingenuous to me. If there was continuing structural damage that caused a setback, or the need for a second procedure, sure. But right now, it looks like a fairly linear, if unlucky, recovery from an injury in a joint, then surgery to correct it.
Kopech’s bWAR has him being good in two seasons. As a fly-ball pitcher, he is homer-prone, but outside of that, nothing looked out of the ordinary for transitioning to an unfamiliar role in 2022. He provided 130 innings with an xERA of 3.94. That’s not what I’d call bad. Mediocre, I guess, but he provided enough value to be a #5 starter, which is where he was ticketed. He’s also looked more like his 2021 self under the hood this year anyway.
Don’t take me the wrong way, because I think we agree on a lot here, and it’s nice to have a good conversation. Edman’s procedure was in October and it seems he has dealt with complications from it basically since. Some of that possibly chalked up to his own wanting to get back into the best shape of his life to help the team to the best of his ability.
My concern is that he has played eight games on a rehab assignment that started three weeks ago and he hasn’t seemed to get it going at the AA level in addition to not being asked to play the field (yet?). Wrist injuries are to batters what elbow injuries are to pitchers. Many players never get over them and see reduced production going forward for many of the reasons you succinctly outlined. It’s mostly pop, but that’s kind of important as it’s tough to be a good hitter without at least the threat of extra bases.
At this very moment he looks like pyrite, but maybe with time and pressure he’ll turn into a diamond for the club in their last year of control. Hard to see him being the kind of impact guy they could use this year, but it’s easy to see the appeal of Tommy Edman filling multiple gaps on this club in another dimension where he still performing at his previously established levels.
You’re right that Kopech could be a #5 starter or a decent leverage reliever, but the Dodgers print those guys. They need a real force in the rotation now that confidence should be utterly low on Buehler, Miller, and May to contribute a whole lot, while crossing fingers that Kershaw can at least be a mid-rotation guy and that Yamamoto comes back and is effective for the stretch run. That is so many ifs!
They have had time to collect information on what their needs are and determined that they simply need to patch holes and wait for injury returnees rather than target high level talent that can put them in a good position to win multiple tough playoff series’. It looks like they are either being obstinate about their needs or that they don’t have the desire to spend money or prospects to go get the guys they actually need.
It’s especially galling coming on the heels of virtually every outlet pillorying the Rays for correctly reading their slim playoff odds necessitating a pivot to focus more on next year and clear space for the youngsters they want to trial rest of way with hopes they can hit the ground running in 2025. The Dodgers have all the resources in the world and instead of trying to make real progress on their problems they are nipping at the edges with cute little moves that really blows the skirt up on these 40+ year old sportswriters, but don’t really do anything about fixing the club. Yeah, they probably didn’t give up a whole lot, but the idea was to get something they need back. This looks more like something they could use.
Good talking with you, in all sincerity.
To see this as I do and to then see other respected voices talking about what a steal this was is the weird part. They gave spare parts to get spare parts when they need an engine and four tires.
I also very much appreciate the reasonable and intelligent discussion with you.
I think the disconnect between us on Kopech is that at his best, he’s not just a decent reliever, he was one of the best around in 2021 and has the stuff to pick that back up. The Dodgers have a history of turning players like that around, just as much as the Rays or Guardians do. It’s part of their brand. And the underlying numbers on Kopech agree that he still has that potential. He’s also controllable through next season, which helps.
With Edman, I don’t think it’s unfair of you at all to suspect that this year might be a lost season. But by the same token, if he’s only what he was last year, for the remainder of the year with the Dodgers, that’s still much better than several of their in-house options, Vargas and the incumbent Chris Taylor included. Eight games for a hitter is a completely infinitesimal sample size for MLB, compounded by it being a rehab assignment after a long layoff. And he’s under contract for next season for only 8 million dollars as well, and could potentially be signed longer-term by the Dodgers at below-market. My guess is they view him similarly to Chris Taylor when they acquired him from the Mariners.
I don’t agree on the wrist injury predictions. I have yet to see anything about wrist injuries completely derailing a career when they’re of this level. The severity isn’t steep enough for that. Most often, wrist injuries that can be played through do not cause effects beyond the actual recovery process. And Edman isn’t a guy who relies solely on athleticism, either. He’s a very controlled hitter who doesn’t chase and has very solid pitch recognition.
2 WAR/year players are still very valuable, especially when teams need to un-scrubs-ify their depth the way the Dodgers do. If they get a low-cost, versatile one in Edman for what amounts to two scratch-off tickets and a car lot balloon in Vargas, that has to be seen as a win for them. That plus the potential ability to produce far more than 2 WAR as he has when fully healthy? Icing. The low cost extra season of control? More icing. The potential to re-sign him moving forward as a replacement for an aging member of their core (Taylor is 4+ years older than Edman) who has been broadly ineffective this year? Even more icing.
With the Rays, I’ve really only seen them getting truly pilloried for the Paredes trade, which to be fair is a weird one. A sensible idea, but with clear caveats.
Edman is back on his rehab assignment now with both the wrist surgery and the ankle issues behind him. It’s very likely that he’ll be back in early August.
I have little doubt he will play in the Show this year, I just don’t know why anyone would have high expectations for his performance based on how this year has gone for him.
Edman had a second, unrelated injury to his ankle while rehabbing from the wrist injury and that’s what’s really dragged out his return. Asserting his wrist is “permanently damaged” is speculation.
It’s silly to think the Dodgers, of all organizations, didn’t check in on Edman’s medicals before acquiring him.
Overall, it’s a good deal that the Cardinals were able to pick up such a good pitcher in Fedde, who even comes with an extra year of control (although I’m worried about all the starting pitching free agents the Cardinals will have after 2025, assuming that at least Gibson’s option will be picked up).
It’s just disappointing that the Cardinals had to downgrade from Edman to Pham to do it, although it was apparently a financial necessity. Pham may still be somewhat of a better hitter, and he is available immediately rather than still working his way back from the IL, but Edman outclasses him in every other way. Edman is also a right-handed OF who hits lefties well, but he’s also a switch-hitter who plays 6 different positions with good or better defense, plus he’s a much better baserunner and much younger with an extra year of control.
Most notably, Edman can play CF and SS, while Pham is strictly a CO. This means:
A: The Cardinals are still stuck starting Siani’s lead bat against RHP instead of kicking him to the bench where he belongs to mostly be just a pinch-runner and late-inning defensive replacement. Nootbaar does play CF on occasion, but the Cardinals don’t trust his CF defense enough to play him there full-time. Even against RHP, Edman would’ve easily outhit Siani and without that much of a drop-off in CF defense.
B: They still need Brandon Crawford to back up SS instead of deservedly giving him a DFA. I don’t know why they don’t do it anyway in favor of Jose Fermin, who while just as bad at the plate is much younger and has options remaining if they can find someone better on waivers. However, Edman’s return should’ve signaled the end for Crawford, yet now it looks like the Cardinals are stuck mostly wasting a bench spot on the has-been for the rest of the season. He’d at least better not make the postseason roster if the Cardinals make the playoffs. Although, acquiring Pham does mean there’s an extra OF to allow Donovan to back up SS, but I’m not sure how comfortable the Cardinals are with that option, either.
Random note, but where can one go to see the Stuff+ / PitchingBot data in the table format like Jay displayed it here? Really like the way it looks like here.
It sounds like I am in the minority in the opinion that I don’t think the Dodgers got such a great deal in this. I doubt they’ll miss the prospects they traded away, but they are also not non-prospects. Vargas seems likely to stick in the majors in some capacity. What they got in return is a hitter recovering from a wrist injury and a project for a pitcher (and a teenager in the DSL that I don’t know how much value he brings). Wrist injuries are always a tough one to come back from for a hitter. It just seems like there is a significant chance they get nothing out of this deal while giving away some decent prospect value. Honestly, this feels like a fair trade where there is risk/reward on both sides of the deal.