Visualizing Jered Weaver’s Hittability

It’s not just a spring-training blip anymore. For one or two games, you can dismiss a pitcher working with reduced velocity. Sometimes mechanics can be slightly off. Sometimes a pitcher can just be under the weather. Jered Weaver’s gone beyond that. His velocity was way down in spring training, and it’s carried over into each of his regular-season starts. Weaver is down a full three ticks, and that’s a dramatic decline between years. Unsurprisingly, he’s been bad — he’s struck out just one of every 10 hitters. One season ago, his rate was twice as high.

Between years, for starting pitchers, the biggest fastball velocity drop belongs to Derek Holland, and he’s on the disabled list. The second-biggest drop belongs to Henderson Alvarez, and he’s on the disabled list. The fourth-biggest drop belongs to Homer Bailey, and he’s on the disabled list. Weaver owns the third-biggest drop, and he says he feels fine. Which means there’s either something wrong that doesn’t hurt, or this is just what he is. This isn’t what he wants to be.

Said Weaver after losing again Sunday:

“I’m pretty much serving B.P. up there now. I have to work with what I’ve got.”

Maybe you don’t need Weaver to say anything. His 6.29 ERA speaks for itself. The .552 slugging percentage he’s allowed so far speaks for itself. His halved whiff rate against fastballs speaks for itself. Maybe the only person still in denial is Weaver’s catcher:

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“He’s throwing not much different than last year,” Iannetta said. “His stuff is good. He’s making a few mistakes over the middle of the plate. This little funk he’s in, whatever it is, I’m sure it’ll pass.”

One way to interpret that would be that Weaver still has deception working in his favor, such that his pitches don’t look that much slower, but everything else suggests otherwise. Weaver is throwing different from last year. Maybe his catcher just hasn’t noticed because none of the pitches have made it all the way through the strike zone to the glove.

You don’t need me to tell you that Weaver has been hittable. All the data already shows it. But, conveniently, some new information just showed up on our leaderboards, some information that allows us to compare Weaver to the league and to himself. Firstly, we have data on batted-ball direction, splitting the field into thirds. So you can see, for example, pull rate for or against. And secondly, we have data on batted-ball quality. This is not new data, but it’s new data to us. And while it’s provided by Baseball Info Solutions, and not StatCast, meaning there’s some human error involved, there’s no reason to think the data is bad, and it extends years into the past. We’ve got softly-hit baseballs, hard-hit baseballs, and medium-hit baseballs.

Let’s put these numbers to use. Jered Weaver, over the course of his career, compared against league-average starters:

jered-weaver-vs-league-average

The graph has three different lines. In green, you see pull rate, relative to the average. This gets complicated — not every pulled baseball is a well-hit baseball — but there can be significance in big swings. Used to be, Weaver was in the vicinity of average. As his pitches got slower, his pull rate went up. So far this year, it’s leaped forward, to 36% higher than the average mark. Seems pretty intuitive. Hard to imagine a hitter being late to get around against this version of Weaver.

In red, we have soft-hit rate. There’s obviously an inverse relationship between soft-hit rate and hard-hit rate, but because there’s also a third category in between, the two aren’t necessarily directly tied. The trend here is obvious, and it’s mirrored in the opposite direction by the highlighted hard-hit-rate line.

Which is the thick blue one. Early in his career, Weaver allowed his share of good contact. As he gained experience and command, he was better able to avoid the barrel. But this year, it’s all gone away, after hints of the same in 2014. Again, you already knew this, even if you didn’t already know this, but I personally enjoy looking at even known things with new information. Just to drive the point home, Weaver’s percentile ranks in hard-hit rate, where higher means fewer hard hits:

  • 2011: 93rd percentile
  • 2012: 98th
  • 2013: 100th
  • 2014: 79th
  • 2015: 17th

What made Weaver good has been missing. What it looks like is that, somewhere between 83 – 86 miles per hour, he crossed a threshold. His pitches simply got too bad to survive at the highest level. That’s too simplistic of an explanation, and Weaver would be effective again if he, say, located every pitch where he wanted, but maybe his margin of error is too small now. I don’t know. Weaver doesn’t know. Nobody knows what to do with this, because while it isn’t literally unprecedented, it might as well be. Pitchers don’t get to the majors throwing like this. Weaver will get a long leash, because of everything he’s accomplished, but if he doesn’t find more strength, it’ll be fascinating to watch his attempted adjustments.

I mean, maybe it’s just that he’s hurt. That would be easy enough, if unfortunate. Everything about this is unfortunate, but, Weaver’s risen to challenges before. It’s interesting to note he’s topped out at 98 pitches. Last year he reached 100 pitches 23 times. Maybe the Angels will shorten his outings, to try to let him air it out a little more. Or maybe Weaver will just shorten his own outings, because he isn’t good enough to push past the century mark.

As Weaver lost his fastball, the silver lining was that he still wasn’t getting hit around like it looked like he should’ve. The deception was still there to a sufficient degree. Now he’s lost more fastball. And now the hitters are seeing it.





Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.

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Jamie Moyer
11 years ago

Filthy casual.

Fartrell Cluggins
11 years ago

I would imagine not everybody can adapt like Greg Maddux. Maybe this guys days are just simply numbered? A little young to break down, but he is approaching 33. Im guessing hell still be in the show for a couple more years, but maybe 34-36 years old is where weavers’ days as an effective SP ends? Hell, they might already be over. Not that im hoping for that. Im no angel fan but i do like watching him pitch due to his pitching delivery.
Dude looks very Mark hendrickson-ish lately lol. Idk maybe he can reinvent himself as a 88mph reliever??? If huston street can survive at 90mph i dnt see why weaver cant at 88.

Should be interesting to watch if he can buerhle it out and just keep going

ReuschelCakes
11 years ago

except Weaver is throwing 84

Fartrell Cluggins
11 years ago
Reply to  ReuschelCakes

I know he is throwing 84mph. That is extremely obvious, i knew that b4 reading this article which also mentions it.
I meant 88 mph if he were a reliever, under the assumption he could add a couple of ticks to his fastball if he only has to let loose for one inning.

ReuschelCakes
11 years ago

except 88 is 4 mph faster than 84, not a couple

Fartrell Cluggins
11 years ago
Reply to  ReuschelCakes

Man shut the F up with your stupid semantics. Way to be a lowlife troll

ReuschelCakes
11 years ago

it would be semantics except Weaver is throwing 84

Jason B
11 years ago

Buerhle was exactly who it called to mind; I saw his last start and he was topping out at 85 and serving up B.P. Just hard contact after hard contact.

Seems like he could be about cooked also; two soft tossers, apparently winding down their careers in a hurry.

AA
11 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

I think the difference between Buerhle and Weaver is that Weaver was a low contact/flyball guy and Buerhle was a contact/groundball guy. Also, Buerhle is left-handed. Both of those differences favor Buerhle.

Jonathan Aicardi
11 years ago

This might interest you specifically Jeff. What do you think compares to the sheer unlikely hood of Aoki and Panik going back to back to start a game?

ReuschelCakes
11 years ago

“unlikely hood”

as in: “Compton is an unlikely hood to find both Aoki and Panik after dark”

Yeah
11 years ago
Reply to  ReuschelCakes

“Joe Panik is an unlikely hood, but a hood nonetheless.”

Jonathan Aicardi
11 years ago
Reply to  Yeah

When your iphone auto-corrects already correct words!

Jason B
11 years ago
Reply to  ReuschelCakes

The correct line is:

What does Aoki do when he finds himself in an unlikely hood after dark? Panik!

rsadasivMember since 2024
11 years ago

Can you update the library with the hard%, med% and soft% info? I’ve been misreading this stat for a while now.

http://www.fangraphs.com/library/pitching/complete-list-pitching/

Ruki Motomiya
11 years ago

This makes me wonder, in the realm of useless trivia…

Weaver’s K/9 right now is 3.93 and his reached single digits, 9.9%, according to his FG player page. If we assume he kept those numbers through a qualified season (Doubtful, but this is just for fun), would they be the lowest marks for a non-deadball era pitcher of all time?

Daniel W
11 years ago
Reply to  Ruki Motomiya

Nope. Since 1921, 2,067 qualified pitcher seasons with a lower K/9 and 1,883 with a lower K%.

Ruki Motomiya
11 years ago
Reply to  Daniel W

Wow, I didn’t expect there to be so many. What’s the lowest?

LGAngels27
11 years ago
Reply to  Ruki Motomiya

You know it’s easy to find it right on this site, right?

Stevie Wonder
11 years ago

Can somebody lead me to the hard% stats on here? I can’t seem to see where it is…

Jose Canseco
11 years ago
Reply to  Stevie Wonder

That’s what she said.

ReuschelCakes
11 years ago
Reply to  Jose Canseco

except that’s not what she said

Tramps Like Us
11 years ago

Suggesting Weaver should just adapt and become a soft-tosser is unrealistic. To pitch effectively in the 80’s, one has to have way above-average command, or a breaking pitch or change-up as their best pitch. Sergio Romo doesn’t break 90 with his fastball, but his slider sets it up so that, when he does throw it, the conrast makes it effective. Buehrle’s command and ability to change speeds didn’t just come along when he lost his fastball, he’s basically always pitched that way. And when his command is off even a little bit, he gets lit up. Tim Lincecum is a bettter comp for Weaver. And even he’s throwing higher than 84. The odds are overwhelming that if Weaver can’t dial it back up to the low 90’s, he’s done. He almost certainly won’t be able to adapt and become effective at 84 or even 88. Suggesting he come out of the pen is ridiculous. If he’s not effective, he’s not effective. This ain’t the 1950’s, where you banish the broken-down starting pitcher to the pen. Every pitcher on today’s staffs has to be effective. If he’s not, he won’t be in The Show in any capacity.