We’ve Reached Peak Mike Trout, Again

Last week, Mike Trout celebrated his 28th birthday, and here at FanGraphs, Craig Edwards baked a cake, so to speak, by using some yardsticks to measure Trout’s career to date without considering Wins Above Replacement. As Craig noted here, and as Ben Lindbergh said similarly at The Ringer, WAR and Trout have become rather inextricably linked during the span of his career. The metric’s ability to estimate value in the field and on the bases as well as at the plate has helped us appreciate the completeness of Trout’s game and accelerated our understanding of the breakneck pace at which he has carved out a spot among the very best in history.

With roughly six weeks to go in his age-27 season, Trout already has the highest WAR of any player at that stage. By FanGraphs’ version, his 72.9 WAR is 4.1 ahead of Ty Cobb, while by Baseball-Reference’s version, his 72.1 WAR is 3.1 ahead. Trout has done this despite having reached 120 games played in just six seasons thus far, though by this time next week, he’ll have reached that modest plateau a seventh time.

Less than 15 months ago, before Trout had even turned 27, I noted that he had matched the bWAR-based JAWS standard among center fielders — the average of the Hall of Famers at the position — moving into eighth place in those rankings. Since then, he’s climbed up to sixth, with a clear shot to surpass Ken Griffey Jr. for fifth before the month ends. Perhaps more impressively, this week he climbed past Mickey MantleExtra! Extra! Millville Meteor Overtakes Commerce Comet! — to take over sole possession of third place in seven-year peak (65.2), with Thursday night’s 4-for-4 showing against the White Sox, featuring his 40th homer of the season (one short of his career high, set in 2015) breaking what had been a tie that had lingered for a few days. Here, have a dinger:

Trout’s current bWAR — I’m referring to that version for the rest of this piece, unless otherwise indicated — of 7.9 makes this his sixth-best season by that measure; he surpassed his thumb injury-shortened 2017 campaign (6.6) a few weeks ago, and his full-season “dud” of 2014 (7.6) in the past week. He’s on pace to add another 2.5 WAR between now and the end of the season, which would make this his fourth season of at least 10.0 WAR. Only Babe Ruth (nine), Rogers Hornsby and Willie Mays (six apiece) have more. Unlike the other two center fielders whom Trout still trails in peak score — Mays (73.7) and Ty Cobb (69.2) — Mantle put up all seven of his most valuable seasons in his 20s, though he did win his third and final MVP award in 1962, at the ripe old age of 30. Four of Mays’ five most valuable seasons — ranging from 10.5 to 11.2 WAR — came from ages 31-34 (the 1962-65 period), while Cobb’s most valuable season (11.3) was his age-30 one in 1917. Here’s the leaderboard:

JAWS Center Field Leaderboard
Rk Name Career WAR Peak WAR JAWS
1 Willie Mays* 156.4 73.7 115.0
2 Ty Cobb* 151.0 69.2 110.1
3 Tris Speaker* 134.1 62.3 98.2
4 Mickey Mantle* 110.3 64.8 87.6
5 Ken Griffey Jr.* 83.8 54.0 68.9
6 Mike Trout 72.1 65.1 68.6
7 Joe DiMaggio* 78.1 51.0 64.5
8 Duke Snider* 66.4 49.9 58.1
Avg of 19 HOF CF 71.1 44.5 57.8
9 Carlos Beltran 69.6 44.4 57.0
10 Kenny Lofton 68.3 43.4 55.9
11 Andruw Jones 62.8 46.5 54.7
12 Richie Ashburn* 63.9 44.5 54.2
13 Andre Dawson* 64.8 42.7 53.7
14 Billy Hamilton* 63.3 42.7 53.0
15 Jim Edmonds 60.4 42.6 51.5
22 Larry Doby* 49.6 39.6 44.6
23 Kirby Puckett* 51.1 37.6 44.4
27 Max Carey* 54.0 32.9 43.5
28 Earl Averill* 48.0 37.3 42.7
38 Earle Combs* 42.5 34.3 38.4
39 Edd Roush* 45.3 31.5 38.4
44 Hack Wilson* 38.9 35.8 37.3
46 Hugh Duffy* 43.1 30.9 37.0
117 Lloyd Waner* 24.1 20.3 22.2
SOURCE: Baseball-Reference
JAWS is the average of a player’s career WAR and his peak WAR (best seven seasons at large).
*Hall of Famer. Note discontinuity in rankings after top 15.

Since JAWS is an average of career and peak WAR totals, any serious Hall of Fame candidate who has already reached the point of contributing to his peak total can gain significant traction on a positional leaderboard, as a player’s best seven seasons are effectively double-counted. Trout’s aforementioned pace would raise his peak score to 67.5 and his career WAR to 74.6, for a JAWS of 71.1, putting him solidly ahead of Griffey in the career JAWS rankings. Under that scenario, he would need something on the order of a 9.4 WAR season next year — pedestrian by his standards! — to surpass Cobb for second in peak score, which, wow.

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Inspired by a tweet from @JRV71, what follows here is a look at some other players besides Trout who are currently padding their peak scores – plus one who isn’t, but still deserves mention in this context.

Zack Greinke (70.5 career WAR/47.3 Peak WAR/58.9 JAWS)

The 35-year-old righty, whose next victory will be the 200th of his career, has pitched to a 3.08 ERA (12th in the majors) and 3.28 FIP (10th) while making his sixth All-Star team and moving from the rebuilding Diamondbacks to the powerhouse Astros, greatly improving his chances of pitching in a World Series for the first time. Thanks to his total of 5.2 WAR — including 0.9 from the offensive side, via a .271/.300/.583 batting line with three homers in 54 PA — he has surpassed last year’s 4.9 WAR as his seventh-best season. In doing so, he’s also overtaken former teammate Clayton Kershaw for the active lead in JAWS, and is now 1.6 points below the Hall of Fame standard. The pair rank 35th and 36th, respectively.

Augmenting his value via offense is nothing new for Greinke. He’s accumulated 5.1 career WAR in that department, a total that ranks 45th among all pitchers, but well behind the all-time leader, Hall of Famer Red Ruffing (13.5), not to mention the top DH-era Hall of Famer, Tom Glavine (6.8). If there’s a negative to the trade as far as his Hall chances go, it’s that his limited number of opportunities to bat while playing for an AL team will slow him down in that department. Maybe A.J. Hinch can use him as a pinch-hitter.

Justin Verlander (68.2/46.6/57.4)

Verlander’s latter day revival continues. Despite allowing a career-high 1.6 homers per nine, he’s contending for that elusive second Cy Young award for the fourth straight season. He currently leads the AL in ERA (2.82), and is third in both strikeouts (217, leaving him 77 short of 3,000 for his career) and WAR (5.1). By that measure, this is his sixth-best season, surpassing 2017 (4.5) and 2010 (4.4) and boosting his peak score to 46.7, 3.2 wins below the average of all Hall pitchers. His 57.4 JAWS — 4.5 higher than when I checked in roughly 51 weeks ago, on the occasion of his 200th win — now ranks 46th among all pitchers and is virtually tied with 2019 inductee Roy Halladay (64.3/50.6/57.4) in the rankings. While still 4.1 points shy of the standard for starters, I believe that the tipping point has been reached; he’s already more likely to wind up in Cooperstown than not, and appears primed to push into no-doubt territory over the next couple of years.

Max Scherzer (59.9/48.2/54.0)

Though he’s started just once since July 6 due to a back strain, Scherzer leads the NL in both bWAR (5.4) and fWAR (5.7) as well as FIP (2.09), strikeouts (189), strikeout rate (35.3%), and K-BB% (30.7%). Meanwhile, he’s third in ERA (2.41), the only category of those mentioned where he doesn’t have some edge on Hyun-Jin Ryu (though some voters will inevitably care about wins, and he trails the Dodger lefty, 12-9). All of which is to say that right now the just-turned-35-year-old righty appears to have a legitimate shot at a fourth Cy Young award, something only four other pitchers (Roger Clemens, Randy Johnson, Steve Carlton, and Greg Maddux) have accomplished. Even with a slight negative in terms of batting WAR, Scherzer’s combined total of 5.3 is his seventh-highest, 1.0 ahead of his previous seventh-best (2012), pushing his peak score to second among active pitchers behind Kershaw (49.6). Even with “only” 168 career wins to this point, he’s looking more and more like a sure-fire Hall of Famer with every passing month of dominance.

José Altuve (37.6/36.0/36.8)

Altuve’s just 29 years old, but with six All-Star appearances, three batting titles, a Gold Glove, an MVP award, a World Series ring, and a lot of black ink, he already scores a 124 on the Bill James Hall of Fame Monitor, where 100 is a likely Hall of Famer and 130 “a virtual cinch.” It has not been a banner year for the second-sacker, but since returning from a nearly six-week absence due to a left hamstring strain on June 19, he’s hit a sizzling .347/.390/.614 with 13 homers and a 165 wRC+ across 218 PA, lifting his season line to .303/.364/.555 (143 wRC+).

Like many players on the sunny side of 30, Altuve has some low-hanging fruit among his peak seasons. For as modest as his current 2.8 WAR is, it’s his sixth-best total, surpassing his 2012 and ’13 seasons (1.4 and 1.0 WAR). While he’s still a ways off from the standards for second basemen (69.4/44.4/56.9), merely getting to 4.0 WAR this year and, say, 5.0 next year would push his peak score to 40.9, past Ian Kinsler (40.4) for third among active second basemen behind Robinson Cano (50.5) and Dustin Pedroia (42.4). Kinsler’s declining offense, Cano’s PED suspension, and Pedroia’s knee — not to mention Chase Utley’s retirement with “only” 1,885 hits — leaves no obvious Hall candidate among active second basemen. It’s up to Altuve to fill that void.

Mookie Betts (39.8/39.8/39.8)

While it’s not quite a Trout-like pace, Betts is climbing the right field charts rapidly. The peak standard for right fielders is 42.1, and even with “just” 4.6 WAR this year (sixth in the league), his sixth in the majors, Betts already has 39.8 career WAR. Not only will he add to that this year and next, merely by the latter being his seventh season, but his 52-game, 2.3 WAR 2014 season should be easily surpassed by mid-2021. Supposing he merely finishes this season at 5.0 WAR and matches that in each of the next two, he’d have a seven-year peak total of 47.9, which would surpass Hall of Famer Harry Heilmann (47.1) and place him ninth at the position in that category, well above the standard; his 49.0 JAWS would rank 22nd, just below newly-minted Hall of Famer Vladimir Guerrero (50.3). Like Trout, by his 30th birthday, he’s likely to look like an odds-on Hall of Famer.

Honorable Mention

Clayton Kershaw (67.7/49.6/58.6)

The 31-year-old three-time Cy Young winner is currently amid something of a revival, with a 1.40 ERA, 2.11 FIP, and 33.5% strikeout rate over seven starts since the beginning of July, and no less than six innings in each of his 21 starts. Even so, his 3.3 WAR to date places this as just his 11th-best season (out of 12 total), and prorating only takes it to 10th-best; the number for him to beat and begin chipping into his peak score is 5.2. Nonetheless, the 31-year-old three-time Cy Young winner’s shadow already hangs over all of the aforementioned pitchers because as noted, his 49.6 peak score is the highest among those active and just 0.3 below the standard. He’s 1.9 points away from surpassing the JAWS standard as well, something quite likely to happen next year.

While there are multiple active players who are above the JAWS standards at their position (Miguel Cabrera, Albert Pujols) or at least the peak standards (Buster Posey, Joey Votto), none of them have made much progress this year; the highest WAR among that quartet is Votto’s 1.2, which is kind of depressing. I’ll save a look at those players, and others for whom 2019 has been something of a bump in the road (hello, Andrelton Simmons) for another day.





Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago

What would Trout need to surpass Mays’ peak score?

JimmyMember since 2019
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Well let’s assume that he gets to 10.5 this year. Then his 4 highest seasons will total 41.7 WAR. He would need 3 seasons averaging 32 WAR, so 3 more seasons just a rounding error better than this one is likely to be. Difficult but not unreasonable for Trout.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Jimmy

This, and jrogers below, make me think I’ll take the under on him passing Mays in peak value. But since he also has a non-zero chance of being the second-most-impressive position player ever since integration, that seems like a reasonable qualifier.

jrogersMember since 2017
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I was just considering that. He could pass Mays at the end of 2020 if he averages 12.1 WAR this season and next.
If he had 7 seasons all equal to his career-best (10.5), he’d be just 0.2 short.

Adam C
6 years ago
Reply to  jrogers

Average 12.1 WAR over two seasons?? Only three players have ever generated 12.1 bWAR in a single season (Ruth 3x, Yastzemski, and Hornsby)

Careless
6 years ago
Reply to  Adam C

Generally speaking, “Only three players have ever generated 12.1 bWAR in a single season ” makes a suggestion sound ridiculous, but this is a Mike Trout thread. Merely improbable.

WARrior
6 years ago

Minor point, but Bonds did have five seasons with 10+ fWAR. And Trout to date has only two of those. He barely missed last year, because of two weeks out with another hand injury, and another week out for the memorial.

Besides Ruth (9), Hornsby (6), Mays (4) and Bonds, Williams (4), Mantle (3) and Cobb (3) have more than two 10+ fWAR seasons. Trout is currently tied with Wagner and Gehrig, who have two each.

WARrior
6 years ago
Reply to  WARrior

Since 1901, I believe Walter Johnson is the only pitcher with > 3 10+ rWAR seasons (7), with Alexander, Grove and Walsh having three each. No pitcher has more than one 10+ fWAR season, and only eight of those: Mathewson, Feller, Koufax, Carlton, Blyleven, Clemens, Martinez and Johnson.

Rich
6 years ago
Reply to  WARrior

I get the comparison, but consider that over the same time period in their careers, Trout has Bonds beat 2 to 1 (and this season has the potential to make that 3 to 1). Not only that, but Bonds didn’t get his second 10+ season until 2001 (8 seasons after the comparison period).

Trout has also averaged 9.1 over his first 8 full seasons (including this one not being finished yet; funny that he and Bonds also have one short season with almost identical games played), whereas Bonds averaged 8.34.

dl80Member since 2026
6 years ago

Just a quick question: why use bWAR on Fangraphs?

Mean Mr. Mustard
6 years ago
Reply to  dl80

Because that’s what Mr. Jaffe used when creating JAWS, if I’m not mistaken, well before he became a writer here. So far as I remember, he usually only uses it in his HoF analyses.

Mean Mr. Mustard
6 years ago
Reply to  Jay Jaffe

Thank you for the correction, Mr. Jaffe – I had spent most of the 2000’s/10’s away from baseball fandom, so I’ve only just been catching up the last few years myself. I’ve really enjoyed your writing, especially as regards the Hall.

dl80Member since 2026
6 years ago
Reply to  Jay Jaffe

Thanks for the response!

LenardMember since 2016
6 years ago

We’re always at peak Mike Trout.

Jetsy Extrano
6 years ago

JAWS sees Griffey Jr. and Trout tied right now; I’d take Trout every time. Okay, I knew I was a “peak” person who doesn’t get anything out of guys hanging around as below-average husks. But it’s just hard for me to wrap my head around the thinking that JAWS is modeling. Anyone want to speak for it?

JimmyMember since 2019
6 years ago
Reply to  Jetsy Extrano

The idea here is that JAWS is really meant for comparing entire career. When someone is just 28, it’s more for looking at where a player’s career stacks up right now and where it might end up by this standard for the hall of fame. Of course you would take Trout every time, and in fact barring career-ending injury he’s going to far surpass Griffey in this metric by career’s end. The idea behind JAWS is taking a combination of value provided over an entire career and over a peak. That was you filter out both pure accumulators (like 3-4 WAR players who stick around for 18 years) or pure peak players (guys who put up a few elite seasons but can never stick around). Trout’s already put up a significantly better peak than Griffey. He just doesn’t have as long of a body of work so far, which is why they’re about tied at this point.

jrogersMember since 2017
6 years ago
Reply to  Jetsy Extrano

Since it’s the average of two numbers, another way to see it is that JAWS goes up half a win for every WAR Trout adds the rest of his career. So even if he slows down and adds “only” 50 more WAR, that’s 25 JAWS points ahead of Griffey.

TapeyBeerconeMember since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  jrogers

Exactly! Here’s the best way to understand what JAWS is telling us about Trout compared to Griffey:

Trout has matched the Hall of Fame worthiness of a near unanimous first ballot Hall of Famer, and yet he won’t even be eligible for the Hall of Fame until he plays in his 10th Season next April!

LHPSU
6 years ago
Reply to  Jetsy Extrano

The mathematical operation involved is called division.

LHPSU
6 years ago

Mike Trout once hit a home run off Chuck Norris.

Angelsjunky
6 years ago
Reply to  LHPSU

Not only that, but Mike Trout hit it off of Chuck Norris but then ran out and stole it away from himself.

TheGrandslamwichMember since 2026
6 years ago
Reply to  LHPSU

During a karate match.

NATS FanMember since 2018
6 years ago
Reply to  LHPSU

It more impressive to say Chuck Norris round kicked a perfect strike to mike Trout who then hit it out of the stadium regardless.

SucramRenrutMember since 2017
6 years ago

Seriously though, how did he hit that pitch out? And waaay out.

MikeSMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  SucramRenrut

Then in the next game (last night) he hit a decent slider in the same spot 438 feet.

No human being should be able to do that, which fits with Trout doing it.

BigChief
6 years ago

FYI, the Jose Altuve hyperlink takes you to the player page for the Jose Altuve that never made it above rookie ball in the Nats organization from 2006-2009.

Careless
6 years ago
Reply to  BigChief

It’s weird that they haven’t figured out linking to players directly.

Zeke86
6 years ago

Great stuff, as always Jay.

Worth pointing out that Mike Trout is second all-time in WAR per game (I’m using fWAR) at 0.617, behind only Barry Bonds (0.672). At third on the list, with only 499 career games, is Ross Barnes (0.609), who played brief stints with the Red Stockings, White Stockings, Reds, and Red Caps before hanging up his cleats for good in 1881. Oh what could have been.

Zeke

Da Bear
6 years ago
Reply to  Zeke86

0.617 WAR per game is a pace of 100 WAR per season. Mike Trout may be a great player, but not *that* great.

Zeke86
6 years ago
Reply to  Da Bear

Sorry, I was off by a decimal. 0.0617 for Trout, 0.0672 for Bonds, 0.0609 for Barnes. The ranking is still the same.

WARrior
6 years ago
Reply to  Zeke86

Trout is second behind Ruth in WAR/PA, and is averaging just about exactly 10 WAR/162 game season.

https://community.fangraphs.com/mike-trout-and-the-1-club/

MRDXolMember since 2021
6 years ago

That’s not bad pitch at all by Lopez. Looks like an 88 mph changeup, after he’d been sitting 98 on his fastball, located right on the lower outside corner. Trout must be a nightmare to pitch to.

cheekfullofchew
6 years ago

just imagine how good Cobb was.

tung_twista
6 years ago

I don’t know if you are trying to play it safe with respect to Verlander with ” I believe that the tipping point has been reached; he’s already more likely to wind up in Cooperstown than not”, but I’d say he is way beyond that.
11th all time in cy young shares and likely to climb that chart after this season.
His chances of enshrinement has got to be 90%+ at this point.

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
6 years ago
Reply to  tung_twista

In a world where Harold Baines is in the Hall but Barry Bonds is not, who knows what will happen?

manormachine
6 years ago

The question with Mike Trout isn’t “How good is he now?” but “How will he age?” If he wants to challenge Ruth/Bonds/Mays/Aaron/Cobb or even Pujols on the all time greats list he’s still going to need good health and a gentle decline phase. Get him some steroids!

dl80Member since 2026
6 years ago
Reply to  manormachine

He’s about to pass Pujols in the next couple years. Pujols has 87.9 WAR (I prefer fWAR) to Trout’s 73.0. That’s a couple more typical Trout seasons, or 3-4 “merely” very good ones.

The danger is that he somehow has Griffey’s 30s or Andruw Jones’s. That would be so disappointing.

But even if he isn’t Aaron, and is more like Mantle, that’s 20 WAR from age 30 on. And with 2 more years until he is even 30, anything other than a really horrible injury/accident (touch wood) will almost certainly end up with Trout at 100+ WAR. That puts him top 20 all time.

Momus
6 years ago

This might be a dumb question, but what does the bolding on the names in the table indicate?

TKDCMember since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  Momus

If just means there is a link. Beltran’s is missing. The other non-bolded names are linked in the paragraphs preceding the chart.

sterling62Member since 2020
6 years ago

As usual, great analysis. Yes, Trout is a great player, but again this year he will not participate in the playoffs, and will continue his career string of never winning a playoff series.
Nearly every effectively wild podcast has a Trout segment as well.
It is ok to cover some of the other great players in MLB besides Trout.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
6 years ago
Reply to  sterling62

It’s also okay to find something else to do besides read articles about things you apparently don’t like.

MoateMember since 2022
6 years ago
Reply to  sterling62

Generational talent who still finds ways to surprise the nerds with just how statistically unique and amazing he is deserves constant articles.

Also, what does getting to the playoffs have to do with anything in regards to individual player achievements? This isn’t the NBA, having the best player in the game doesn’t automatically move you into playoff contention. The fact that the Angels can’t make it to the playoffs is very obviously not indicative of Trout’s ability to play baseball at historically great levels.

I promise you, other players are getting talked about. But the best player in the league is probably going to be brought up frequently since he’s the best player in the league.

I think you need a nap sir.

Charles BalterMember since 2019
6 years ago
Reply to  sterling62

Mike Trout is the best player of his generation, and will likely retire as one of the top ten ever to play the game. It’s not for no reason he gets talked about so much. Pretty much every year, a couple players have career years that are less than Mike Trout’s average season.

NATS FanMember since 2018
6 years ago

Since I can’t afford a baseball package while working on my PhD, and I do not live in LA, am I wrong to feel pissed that the LA Angeles do such a poor job of pitching that they keep Trout from playing Meaningful games I can watch in October? Really want to see him play in the playoffs so badly I find myself looking up the stats of guys like David Fletcher and hoping they keep hitting.

Sleepy
6 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

Trout *voluntarily* decided to stay in Anaheim for (essentially) the duration of his career when he signed that extension, which is an incredible shame for us fans. No athlete as great as Trout should spend every single postseason at home, but here we are.

This is America, however, so if Trout wants to fill his Octobers with early tee times and tailgating Eagles games, more power to him.

Charles BalterMember since 2019
6 years ago
Reply to  Sleepy

You know what I love about America? If an athlete leaves a city to be part of something bigger and win championships, that player gets labelled “selfish.”

And if he stays put and stays in one place his whole career, he’s selfish, too.

If a player draws too much attention to himself, that’s a problem. And if a player just goes about his business quietly, THAT’S a problem.

NATS FanMember since 2018
6 years ago
Reply to  Charles Balter

I never said I felt Trout was selfish. I take that money any day and I feel he may actually deserve it as well! Still it would be nice if LAA could find a way to pitch well enough to play in the postseason. Obviously, and sadly, Skaggs death didn’t help.
I’m blaming the pitching, mainly the starting pitching, because I think the position players are good enough to get to the postseason right now. Harvey and Cahill wasn’t likely to be the answer.

MoateMember since 2022
6 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

Switch to T-Mobile for your cell phone, get MLB.tv for free at the start of the season.

(This plan works assuming T-Mobile has reasonably good reception in your area).

Also, MLB.tv does a “Free Game of the Day” that rotates around the league as well as days where every game is visible. Shouldn’t take more than 2 weeks for the Angels to be that game.

These aren’t great solutions, but they’re solutions.

DDMember since 2020
6 years ago

Jay – how much of Grienke’s position WAR is due to defense, where he is objectively excellent? Glavine’s WAR from non-pitching seems to be entirely from defense, not his bat, which was pretty mediocre for a pitcher (wRC+ of 22, Greinke is at 59 wRC+). Not sure if that info is segregated out in bWAR, but just curious.

bluerum29
6 years ago

Still not the MVP this year.

matthayden4Member since 2024
6 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

Not the AL MVP? Who, then?

bluerum29
6 years ago
Reply to  matthayden4

MOP or Hank Aaron Award winner for sure. But MVP is a very different award.

PhilMember since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

Trout also leads the AL in WPA this year – only behind Yelich in the MLB.

What more do you want Trout to do, except have better team mates? Which, arguably, he is helping the Angels with by signing a melow market extension.

bluerum29
6 years ago
Reply to  Phil

What is the most valuable thing in sports? Winning. You bring the most valuable by what you do that actually gets your team to the postseason. Without making the postseason it is just individual stats. MVP is about who was the most important in getting a team to the postseason, because that is where the value is.

MoateMember since 2022
6 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

FOH sir, you need a nap before returning to the comments section of Bar Stool.

bluerum29
6 years ago
Reply to  Moate

There is no arguing that Trout is the best player in baseball. That is obvious.

MoateMember since 2022
6 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

Only because they haven’t voted yet.

BobbyJohn69
6 years ago

Can we take a moment to appreciate just how great Willie Mays was?

Jorkal
6 years ago
Reply to  BobbyJohn69

Alas, he’s just not good enough to make it into the Willie Mays Hall of Fame

https://joeposnanski.substack.com/p/the-willie-mays-hall-of-fame