What Do the Giants Do Now?
Whether or not the deal for Pablo Sandoval was a good deal, the Giants are now faced with the unenviable task of finding a replacement in a bad market for third basemen. The good news is that they probably have close to $100 million they can spend on finding a solution. What might be their best way forward?
Let’s spend their Pablo money. Let’s add five million because they probably would have spent that anyway had Pablo returned. So what can the Giants do at third, left and in the rotation with that kind of money?
The easy answer is Chase Headley. He’s the only above-average third baseman left on the market, however, and interest is hot and heavy from the Yankees, the Indians have their toe in the water, the Jays could use an infielder, and the White Sox are currently projected to have a below-average situation at third base.
If the Giants do end up with Headley at a price anywhere near the crowdsourced guess (four years, $56 million), they’d still have five to six million in Pablo money left over. By Steamer they’d already be ahead of Pablo’s projections, too. They could then use that money to find a veteran starting pitcher in the mold of Tim Hudson — with Tim Lincecum still under contract, they could even take more of a risk. Brett Anderson, perhaps? Otherwise, safer options with less upside include Kyle Kendrick and Aaron Harang. Then you’d have a little money left over to lure a right-handed veteran outfielder to town — Torii Hunter?
But what if they don’t get Chase Headley? Things get way iffier, although Giants have to hope that this comic from Bryan Murphy at McCovey Chronicles isn’t portraying the right way forward — it’s bleak, considering Joaquin Arias was below replacement last year and hasn’t yet accrued a win in over a thousand plate appearances over his career.
The next-best thirdbaseman on the market might be Alberto Callaspo. He’s projected to be worth a win next year despite iffy defense and below-average power — mostly based on making contact. With a slight rebound in batted ball luck, he could be a stop-gap solution at a small price. He wasn’t projected by the crowd, but let’s say he can be had for a one-year make-good contract that was similar to the one Mike Morse signed last year.
That still leaves $13 million or more in Pablo money, and a hole in left field. If that seems hefty for Nori Aoki, and a Melky Cabrera reunion seems unlikely, would the team go to the mat for Nelson Cruz? The crowdsource median was three years and $45, and he’s a power hitter that can play left field for a bit, so at least he fits in a general way. If you want a name that has already been linked to the Giants, then Yasmani Tomas is your left fielder. Kiley McDaniel thought he’d get ten to fifteen million a year, so he fits this plan. Then the team has to look for a fifth or sixth starter in the value bin. Let’s say Colby Lewis for fun.
But just because there’s a hole at third base doesn’t mean the solution needs to come from third base. The crowd likes Asdrubal Cabrera for three years and $33 million, and by moving him to second base in Washington, the Nationals already signaled to the market that he may not be a shortstop any longer. He’s projected for a win and a half, and that’s with bad defensive value. Perhaps he really takes to third base. At the very least, he has experience playing in a park that suppresses offense.
Now with around fifteen million left, the Giants could improve the offense (that number might fit Aoki, for example) but the better bet is that they look at the rotation maybe. After all, the postseason rotation was Madison Bumgarner, Madison Bumgarner, Madison Bumgarner and watch a James Garner rerun until Madison Bumgarner can pitch again. With that type of cash, you might be able to lure Brandon McCarthy (three years and 36 million from the crowd) into town. Left field might have to go to a right-handed power bat on a reclamation project, like it did last year. Corey Hart?
There’s a rumor out there that the Giants may spend that Pablo money somewhere else entirely: Jon Lester. The median average annual value on the crowdsource was $22 million, so we wouldn’t officially have any money over for third or left. The newest rumors say $25 million on the nose, but they’ll have to fill left and third with someone, probably. So let’s try some low-cost options like Jonny Gomes (to platoon with Gregor Blanco) and Kelly Johnson, even if we’re over budget.
We don’t know how much money each of these permutations will end up costing the Giants — in reality we probably spent more than $25 million per outcome — but at least they’re in the ballpark of what they might have spent with Pablo in the fold. It also isn’t fair to compare this just to Pablo’s production, considering each plan has three players in it.
But, let’s just sum up what the projections think of each of our different plans.
| 2015 Steamer WAR | |
|---|---|
| Headley, Harang, Hunter | 5.0 |
| Callaspo, Cruz, Lewis | 3.1 |
| Cabrera, McCarthy, Hart | 4.4 |
| Lester, Gomes, Johnson | 4.7 |
The Giants did lose out on Pablo Sandoval. But they also gained back $20 million that they can spend on the team. That money can be used to upgrade left field, the starting rotation, or third base. Who knows how exactly they will do it, but at least there are a few different plans that make sense. It’s not quite time to panic.
With a phone full of pictures of pitchers' fingers, strange beers, and his two toddler sons, Eno Sarris can be found at the ballpark or a brewery most days. Read him here, writing about the A's or Giants at The Athletic, or about beer at October. Follow him on Twitter @enosarris if you can handle the sandwiches and inanity.

Wait for an even year.
They’re like the Star Trek movies.
If I were a ballplayer I’d change my name to Joaquin Quinoa. Then the crowd could chant my first name and my last name AT THE SAME TIME
What about Adam Duvall at 3rd?
Do yourself a favor and do not look at the projections for Duvall/Duffy/Arias. I did a few days ago and all Steamer said was “I’m sorry this is happening to you.”
I think it’s telling that they only gave him 0.2 innings at third this year against 148.1 innings at first. Granted, he was mostly up to replace the injured Belt, but I’d guess if they had much faith in his fielding ability they might take advantage of his presence and give Pablo a non-Arias day off.
He might be Plan D.
The arm is similar to Pedro Alvarez last year. He isn’t a major league 3B. He might be traded to an AL team this offseason because his bat should play at 1B/DH.
They actually gave him a fairly decent look in the minors: the numbers were horrible, the feet ponderous, reaction time leaden, glove clanky, arm neither quick nor strong. He’d wouldn’t make a college team at 3B.
The “loser” of Luis Valbuena and Mike Olt is probably available in trade, too. Valbuena projects better than Callaspo. Both might be available by late April when Bryant gets selected.
Arias has good numbers against lefties, and I’ve heard Tomas can play 3rd and LF. Would it make sense to play Arias at 3rd and Tomas in LF against lefties and Tomas at 3rd and Blanco in LF against righties?
Teams with at least 2 3B with MLB experience on their rosters:
Red Sox- Middlebrooks/Cecchini/Holt
White Sox- Gillaspie(former Giant)/Semian
Cubs: Olt/Valbuena
Padres- Story/Solarte
Valbuena is a big risk for regression. Gillaspie or Solarte would be OK. I’d love to see a trade for Cecchini. Unfortunately, I do not think the Giants have what Boston is looking for in trade which is MLB ready pitching.
Valbuena isn’t a risk for regression, he legitimately got better at the plate. Look at his peripherals. The Cubs have a hidden gem, here.
Don’t care what his peripherals are. One year spikes in performance are always risks for regression.
There is a kind of trajectory in Valbuena’s case – he was a league-average hitter in 2013 as well, so he’s not a total fluke. he’s still plenty valuable if he regresses to that baseline (as steamer expects he will).
Sorry, but the HR’s would evaporate in the NL West and that is where almost all of his offensive value is.
Hey, don’t forget about Chris Johnson in Atlanta! Super gritty player!
………..
Yeah. Damn.
To update that list:
BOS – Sandoval/Hanley/Middlebrooks/Holt/Kelly Gruber/Vinny Castilla/Corey Koskie/Joe Randa/Mike Pagliarulo/Doug DeCinces.
Probably some of those guys are available for 3B duties elsewhere, or at least shopping mall appearances.
Jays – Lawrie, Valencia
My first choice for the rest of the Giants offseason is do whatever it takes to sign Yoan Moncada then fill holes with dumpster dives. 2015 is probably going to be a down season anyway and Moncada has, by far, the highest ceiling of any available player.
Absolutely agree on your perspective. Here is what i’d like to see happen:
1. Be aggressive and sign Moncada, sign a 1 year stopgap to get him seasoning in the minors
2. Find a platoon partner for Blanco (he earned a chance to platoon down the stretch)
3. Get one starter from tier 2 not tied to a QO(McCarthy, Harang), and one lotto ticket(Brandon Morrow, Brett Anderson)
Yankees and Dodgers drive the price of Moncada over 50 million, still interested at that cost? What is the dollar amount that becomes unpalatable?
$50M + $50M penalty? That’s palatable. $65M ($130M) probably gets too high.
The Mets would probably trade Murphy to SF who could slide over to 3B. This would free up payroll for the Mets to go after Tulowitzki, which is, I believe, their dream scenario. Lot s of option available for SF.
I think Tomas is still a possibility, too.
Does Murph have the arm to play 3B?
Since Eno is a Mets fan, I thought he would have mentioned Murphy too, as he came up as a third baseman and that’s his natural position. The Steamer forecast on him is pretty absurd, but he’s established himself as a ~3 win player for the last few years. There shouldn’t be much of a drop off – if any – from Sandoval’s recent production.
If they were willing to pick up the contract, they can probably get Colon without giving up anything significant. They’d have to go elsewhere for a corner outfielder though.
Murphy came up as a third baseman and they put him at second mostly because he couldn’t outfield with the feet and they had David Wright. I think he’d be a fine third baseman.
Mostly, I wanted to avoid the trade route because it’s unclear what assets the Giants have in the minors that others covet, and also making fade trade offers seems like a good way to look silly. On the other hand, the Mets may just want Murphy gone for salary relief, so you could call him a $7m FA signing that costs a high-A arm as well.
I’ve long desired for Murphy to wear the French Vanilla. I think a trade could happen, depends on the Wilpons and their 90MM budget.
3war player who are on 7mil contract who probably return a draft pick at the end of the year would seem like a very good trade piece and worst more than a high a prospect
Murphy is projected at 8.3MM by MLBTR, with the numbers he has put up, that sounds right. I doubt the Mets would QO him for double that amount to get a draft pick, not with a self imposed 90MM budget.
Would they look at Pedro Alvarez as an option? Much like the Giants do well on even years, Alvarez’ defense seems to vacillate year over year. He was surprisingly good, according to this Pirates fan’s eye test, in 2013 and couldn’t get a throw over to first in 2014. His bat’s not that much of a downgrade on Panda’s (more power, less plate discipline, 115 wRC+ Steamer v. Panda’s 124) and he actually dramatically cut down on his k% while increasing his bb% last year.
What about a Pedro Alvarez + NIck Kingham for Brandon Belt deal? Belt’s obviously better than Pedro but Kingham’s a mid-ceiling, high-floor pitching prospect and 6 years of control on him might help even things out.
Crazy Pirates homer trade or something worth kicking around?
Oh, also – I was thinking this might be possible and tenable for the Giants by moving Posey to 1B nearly fulltime and starting Susac if that wasn’t clear.
Moving their franchise player from a premium position just to facilitate a Pedro Alvarez deal doesn’t sound like a good idea.
That move has nothing to do with Alvarez. It’s been talked to death that Posey might move to 1B.
http://blog.sfgate.com/giants/2014/08/22/bruce-bochy-on-buster-posey-changing-positions/
It’s a move talked about only by fans and writers who don’t understand his value is at catcher, and his contract was signed because the plan on using him at catcher for several more years. The first quote of the article you linked was Bochy saying “Right now, no. Down the road I’m sure it’s something we will talk about.” Does that really sound like a plan that’s been “talked to death”?
Is Bruce Bochy a fan or a writer who doesn’t understand his value at catcher? I linked to one article. There are many more.
Here’s another in the same publication: http://blog.sfgate.com/giants/2014/08/22/bruce-bochy-on-buster-posey-changing-positions/
You have the google machine too.
It’s the same article. The same article where he says “Right now, there’s no plan to do that.” Manager, GM and Team President have all said there’s no near future plan to move Posey off catcher. Shoot man the article even says “It’s been a subject among fans”, and that’s all it is. Writers and fans wanting Posey to move, and Posey, Bochy, Baer and Sabean saying he’s not moving any time soon.
Pitching is dangerous, too. Maybe the Giants can trade Belt, then shift Bumgarner to 1st to get his bat in the lineup more?
Probably pretty fair value, but not sure it makes sense for either team.
I’d bet there are teams willing to take a chance on Pedro’s offense bouncing back, but I can’t imagine anyone counting on him as a third baseman at this point. Giants also don’t seem eager to move Posey off C yet.
I’d also be surprised if the Pirates are willing to give up rotation depth given the number of question marks in their big-league rotation. Until they sign someone else, Kingham is probably 5th on the SP depth chart (of pitchers who are healthy) and is a good bet to log some innings this year.
Kingham won’t sniff the rotation in Pittsburgh until after Super-2 so you’re likely losing him for half a season at most for 2015. Alvarez was actually pretty good at 3B in 2013 and his range and glove looked good again in 2014 but his throwing errors were brutal.
Belt is going nowhere. It is in the fans’ head that the Giants don’t like Belt. They have nurtured his talent and the fans apparently don’t like tough love, but that is how you get players to change their behavior, which in this case was to resist all the recommendations the Giants had for him to become an MLB hitter. When he finally did the grip as they had been asking him to doj, after picking up other things they said, he started hitting like everyone thought he would in late 2013.
They are not letting that go in trade, look at his numbers the past few years, they are way better than Sandoval’s but they didn’t go and trade Sandoval either.
Belt had a 119 wRC+ in 2012, and a 123 first half wRC+ in 2013. If the Giants actually thought a guy hitting that well wasn’t an “MLB hitter” that only speaks to the insane pressure being put on him.
The only time Belt has ever been sent down or spent extended time on the bench not due to injury is 2011, is first MLB season. Since then he has been taken out for very short periods to work on specific things and has always come back stronger. This narrative that the Giants are down on Belt or have misused him is nothing more than internet legend without one shred of evidence to back it up.
Exactly. Doug Mapson drafted Belt, he gets all the credit for him, not internet OBP worshipers. The Giants and Belt have won championships. They’ll go contend for more. The Giants hitting instructors as well as their video system is a credit to Belt’s success.
The Giants just do not trade for prospects, period. Never have in the Sabean era, except for selling off a couple of vet contracts at teh very end. So its a non starter. They value prove out in MLB, and they value building a core group of players. Go look at the McCutchen interview – he wants them to get a real full time 1B, no platoons. Smart man. The Giants know what they have with Belt, he’s cost controlled, great defense, they’ve won two world series with him, he’s going nowhere.
I am all in for a platoon Posey/Susac, one playing 3b and other C some of the time. Sure, they are both right handed. Reasons:
1) cheap. We need the $ to bolster a very poor starting rotation
2) Susac deserves to play every day
3) team needs to become more RH
4) Posey plays poorly in the postseason, surely due to exhaustion. I want him to start no more than 60% of games in the regular season (as a catcher)
5) Posey can certainly handle 3b duties. Sandoval was able to handle the switch, why not Susac?
6) Sorry, Belt plays every day now.
It is still a team with Arias and Hector on the bench.
“Posey plays poorly in the postseason, surely due to exhaustion”. Posey played really well in the postseason until he caught an 18 inning game, then he started looking tired. Before that he put up a 198 wRC+ over the final month of the season, catching the whole time. So really, when you say he’s exhausted, you’re really talking about moving him off of the most premium position because he looked tired for 7-9 games?
Posey OPS Season Postseason
2010 862 743
2012 957 645
2014 854 553
over 188 at bats (60, 59 and 69). It’s not like the G have lots of guys ready and able to carry the offense in the offseason. We just lost the best of them.
Posey has a career 141 wRC+ in Sept/Oct. Compare that to his career number of…. wait for it…. 141!
I’d say there’s no reason to think your assertion is true.
September = regular season
October = postseason
Or are you implying that a 640 career OPS somehow translates into 141 WRC+?
If I can’t get this experiment (but frankly, if Panik is playing every day, why not Susac? Andy is clearly the better hitter), I would be OK with Arias/Valbuena, though Valbuena costs prospects.
Not sure there is a significant drop from Posey to someone else behind the plate. For sure there was no drop back then with Whiteside/Stewart. No one here discusses how to play Posey on his (increasing) off days, yet the problems of Posey and 3b vacancy are related. Sure, he could platoon at 2b or in LF, but why? And why keep a 800 OPS bat on the bench?
You can’t actually think that you can just stick any dude at any position, can you?
left shifts should always be tried. It is right shifts that almost never work. As we speak we have Hanley Ramirez, Sandoval himself signed in Boston in the expectation of an extreme shift. Catchers have good arms most of the time, and former shortstops do have a good chance of handling 3b…
So what you’re saying is the Giants should re-sign Mike Morse to play 3rd, right?
If the Giants can get offense at a different position — namely LF — they could get by with a platoon at third. Joaquin Arias is right at average against LHP (100 wRC+ career, and Matt Duffy, who could be valuable as a utility IF anyway, handled LHPs well in a very, very small sample size. Both commonly dismissed because of their overall projections, but either or both could be an average 3B against LHP. The Gs have lost their most consistent hitter from the left side in Sandoval, however, and have no one that can both play third and hit RHPs effectively.
So, Luis Valbuena, if available, might be a good fit. His last two seasons, particularly 2014, were pretty good against RHPs. And, although he’s a butcher at third, Juan Francisco is worth a look, especially since he was DFA’d by Boston and is essentially free now. After that, unless you can find a trade, you’re left with Callaspo and Kelly Johnson, both of whom are about average against RHPs in their careers but were just awful in 2014. (This is all dependent on the Giants’ not wanting Headley, who likely will be overpriced and whose defense better be as good as the advanced metrics suggest.)
The Giants are going to need a left-handed bat to replace Pablo’s, so unless the they think Middlebrooks (for example, but any strictly right-handed hitting 3B) will be a productive starter with acceptable platoon splits, he does little more than recapitulate their current “strengths”.
Adrianza has hit better against RHP than Arias or Duffy because he’s a SH. Not great, but .631 OPS in the 8th spot (better than average 8th hitter in NL) along with sterling defense (he’s a whiz at SS, so he should be just as good if not better at 3B), would make him an OK platoon player with Arias or Duffy.
Adrianza was starting to get on a hot streak when he was placed on the DL, as he was starting to get more regular playing time, so there is that as well.
And only mediaheads have been saying Headley is in Giants sights, because of the obvious, that he’s the next best 3B, but notice how the big rumor is that the Giants are talking to Lester, but no rumor about Headley.
Adrianza may be the unrecognized component in this situation. One thing that sticks out is Adrianza has very strong arm, and the ultimate defensive skillset such an infield would possess. With the groundball tendencies of the Giants staff, that is no small issue. Your comment about his work at the plate looking much better in those 2-3 weeks before he was injured, you’re dead on.
why would headley accept a 4/56$m deal? the market is WAY past that now. he’ll get 70 easy.
Especially with the other options (non-options) available at 3B this offseason. Teams will get desperate and pay (overpay?) for Headley, considering the next best option is “some guy”.
They’re best bet would be to go after a starting pitcher. After 2016, the rotation sloughs down to Bumgarner and Cain, but there’s no minor league help within spitting distance of helping the team. They need frontline starters as Cain has possibly declined to a back end guy, one ace isn’t going to cut it. They can get that starter now or wait until next year’s star-studded cast to pick one, but they’ll have to be creative for third base. The outfield and starting rotation can be fixed through free agency in 2016. They have a very poor farm system so they can’t solve their problems through trade. I’d say do nothing and avoid making mistakes.
“….no minor league help within spitting distance….”
Beede and Blackburn could easily be ready by 2016. Beede is potentially a #2 at least. There are several other SP prospects who could help at the back end of the rotation by then too.
They have a very poor farm system… that just churned out Panik, Susac, Duffy and Strickland. There are more like this coming.
Spend all the moneys on Jon Lester. Shiv the Bosox back. The Cubs just offered 6/130, that’s roughly the Matt Cain contract. It has risks, but Lester is similar to Cain in that he takes the bump like clockwork, 200IP guy. He does not cost the draft pick, an added bonus. You don’t want to wait around to play the Boras bid game with Scherzer, who is more max effort anyways. James Shields has not proven to be Big Game, but Lester sure has. And he’s a lefty. That’s just cool.
3B is easy – Adrianza versus Duffy in a cage match. If you want, Callaspo as the vet placeholder who can sort of hit. Or Arias. You just need a glove there, and some semblence of offense.
Or you go after these two trade targets: Daniel Murphy of the Mets, or Trevor Plouffe of the Twins. Both would cost a couple pitching prospects.
People tend to forget the Giants have huge positional advantage at C, 1B and RF. They have league average production at SS/2B. Pagan is a big wild card, but he is above average if healthy. So they can punt some offense at 3B.
LF – if you sign Lester, no Cubano for you, although they should absolutely go bid heavy on Moncada, who seems like a elite talent. Resigning Michael Morse to a 2/20MM contract wouldn’t be the worst move in the world. Yes, his defense is miserable. He gets hurt. But he was a weapon in the postseason, he hit the cover off the ball when he was healthy, and its a short term fix until one of the next OF guys come up. Hint: there are going to be 3 guys at Richmond next year who could catch fire: Mac Williamson, Daniel Carbonell, Tyler Horan. Placeholding LF isn’t a bad move.
The Giants biggest weakness isn’t 3B. Its reliable starting pitching. Lester takes care of the grind and the sprint at the end. And it shivs the Red Sox back for their poach. Better bet than Pablo to boot is just gravy.
Not sure if mets wants pitching prospect a rotation of Harvey, wheeler degrom syndergaard are all under control for the next 4 year
That is true. The Mets seem focuses on SS or bust. Ehire Adrianza isn’t that bad a gamble actually.
Nice analysis Eno! Very well thought out and logical.
Arias don’t have any value if you look at his career numbers, but if you look at his 2012 and 2013 numbers, when he was with the Giants, the team that resuscitated his career, if you extend out his numbers to a full season, with his defense, he’s roughly a 1.5+ WAR player. Of course, he probably was used more optimally so there might be some offensive drop, but looking at his K%, he’s actually a good hitter in terms of making contact, so regular playing time might lead to some improvement.
And his WAR is hurt a lot by the fact that while he’s a whiz defensively at 3B, he’s pretty bad anywhere else on the field defensively. So him starting at 3B is not really that crazy an idea, he could be worth 2 WAR just by defense if he started and played only at 3B.
Adrianza might even be better defensively at 3B. He’s been credited as being MLB ready defensively at SS even when he was in the lower minors. He’s a whiz there and I don’t see any reason why he couldn’t even be better at 3B. BA noted in their 2013 handbook that he has “all-star level” skills fielding SS, so why can’t he do that at 3B (especially considering the defensive spectrum?). And hitting, he improved greatly in AAA in 2013, and shown flashes of it in the majors, like right before his injury shut down his season, he was hitting really well and might have took the starting 2B job for a while if not for that.
I like the Cabrera idea, but I don’t see the Giants going for lousy defense at 3B right now, though I suppose they could do what they did with Sandoval in 2012-2013, when they pulled him for defensive purposes and inserted Arias (maybe that was part of the disrespect that he was rumored to harbor?). But Cabrera is no where near the hitter that Sandoval was.
I like the McCarthy idea. I read the analysis about him being a value, because I was wondering what happened that caused him to strike out so much more, and that all made sense. And with Petit in our back pocket, he could miss some starts and the Giants would be OK.
Cory Hart would be interesting as well. He seems like a typical Giants signing, good hitter with poor defense in LF, poor season in prior season, but was very good before that. On top of that, the Giants were rumored to be in on him for a trade previously, some thought a Jonathan Sanchez trade for him might happen.
My main question is why did he change in 2014? His peripherals got worse in 2014 vs. before. I was happy with the Huff signing for $3M because while his batting line was horrible, his peripherals were within his career norms. Hart the past two seasons have struck out a lot more than before in his career.
I just noticed that he missed 2013, so maybe he was rusty? Maybe he cheated by swinging more? He swung at a lot more outside pitches in 2014, which didn’t help. But he was still making contact in the strike zone, so he still got some skill there. And his swinging strike percentage, while high for his career, was not wildly off from before.
I love and hate the Lester rumor, would love having him in the rotation, but 6 years at $22-25M per season? Ugh, that would be tough for me to swallow.
I’ve liked Jonny Gomes for a while, not the greatest, but love the whole package of personality and baseball talents that he does have. He’s also a NorCal boy, so he’ll be coming home (again) and I think I’ve read somewhere that he liked the Giants growing up, so he’s probably at least knocking on the door and seeing if there’s any mutual interest.
Lastly, I’ll throw out this idea: move Belt to LF, start Ishikawa at 1B. Posey (threw you all a curve there, right?) has shown that his body cannot handle a full season of catching, 100+ starts at catcher during the season appears to be all his body is up for. Yet, you don’t want him sitting that much, so he’ll get a lot of starts at 1B. However, you then don’t want Belt sitting so much either, he’s earned a full-time starting job. So move Belt to LF.
Also, with Posey playing 1B so much, no good free agent is signing to do that dance at 1B with Posey, so start Ishikawa instead. He was worth 0.5 WAR to the Giants in limited play in 2014. If he was platoon partner, he would get about 4 to 5 times the PA he got in 2014 with the Giants, so 2-2.5 WAR. And he’s been great defensively at 1B during this career, probably better than Belt who is pretty good himself. And Ishi would understand having to sit around, plus would be pretty inexpensive himself.
Then the Giants can spend all that money on SP, maybe 3B (I would like to see Adrianza and Duffy get a shot at starting there, personally), and perhaps another bullpen arm (though I like Kontos and Strickland to get the last two spots after Casilla, Affeldt, Lopez, Machi, and Petit). OK, so maybe spurge all that money on SP, which would then be Lester… (but that scares me so, as well as excites me so)
I should note that I’m aware of Arias’ bad 2014, his bat wasn’t working at all until the last month or so, my best guess is that getting that two year contract made him want to justify it by trying harder, which as we all know, just makes things worse.
In any case, I only want him as backup at 3B, I want to see either Adrianza or Duffy take over the starting 3B job and see what they can do with it, may the best man win.
Hmmmm I don’t think it’s right to just extrapolate out Ishikawa’s 2014 WAR. With 4-5 times the PA I don’t see him still putting up a 110 wRC+ (that was aided by a .360+ BABIP). I’m a big Belt fan and like the idea of moving Belt to LF as I hate that a top 3 hitter on the team gets plopped on the bench 20% of the time. That’s just foolish.
What the Giants shouldn’t do:
Chase Headley. His numbers in SF are pedestrian, as they are in SF South Petco. He’s more of a WAR creation than I’m comfortable with, a career slash of 265/347/409 just does not get heart racing. The Giants have a couple minor league guys who can do something similar.
He is a very unGiants like guy. Low BA isn’t their style. They got mocked for it, but have been extremely successful putting the ball in play.
The Giants like players with some positional versatility. Hart served as the Brewers starting 1B in the past, and while he is not a great fielder, he can at least fill in at times.
Has nobody thought about moving scutaro/panik to 3B? Scutaro played SS reasonably well in Boston and has played 3B before. Another though: now that the sox have literally no room for cespedes and Middlebrooks, why not see if you can get both of those players for real cheap in a packaged deal?
I doubt Scutaro is ever coming back. Last I heard was that it was incredibly difficult to even bend down to pick up baseballs.
“It’s not that hard, Scutaro. Tell him, Wash.”
“It’s incredibly hard.”
Hey Brian, I hear you’re in the 3b market now. We’d normally consider him a key piece of our rebuild, but for you’d I’d be willing to be quite reasonable if you think Matt Dominguez would look good in a different shade of orange…. hey, Brian, I didn’t catch that, my reception might be going…ok I’ve got 5 bars but you’re still breaking up.. brian? Brian? BRIAN??
As an A’s fan, I’d be delighted if San Francisco picked up Callapso for third.