What I Loved About Roy Halladay
When a baseball player dies, as Roy Halladay did yesterday, it can be difficult to know what to say. I never met Roy Halladay. I don’t have any personal anecdotes to share or any insight into who he was as a person. I don’t know his family. I only knew him through the television, when I watched him work. And you can’t really know a person that way.
The people that really did know Roy Halladay seemed enamored of him. In awe of him, not just as a player, but as a person. In the last 24 hours, the universal reaction within the baseball community has been that the game lost not just a guy who was great at pitching, but an ambassador for the sport. The stories that have emerged are both heartbreaking and inspiring. Stories like Jayson Werth’s:
“For a guy that was very serious, quiet and reserved, I can remember it like it was yesterday, the look on his face to see us waiting for him to celebrate together,” Werth said. “He loved the game but played for his teammates, for us to love him back like that you could tell it meant a lot. I’d never seen him so genuinely happy. I’ll never forget the expression on his face.”
I never got to see that Roy Halladay. Most of us probably don’t have that kind of connection with him, but yet, there is still the natural desire to mourn. For most of us, Roy Halladay wasn’t really part of our lives anymore, but it still feels like we lost something. So, today, while acknowledging that our loss cannot compare to the sort endured by those who knew him in a more personal way, I’d like to honor the Roy Halladay I did know.
This guy.
From 2002 through 2011, Roy Halladay was something close to the perfect pitcher. Over 10 years, he threw almost 2,200 innings in 303 starts. That’s better than seven innings per start for a 10-year period. Exactly one major-league pitcher (Corey Kluber, 7.02 IP/GS) averaged better than seven innings per start this year, and Kluber only made 29 of them. Halladay was the definition of a workhorse, but he wasn’t just pitching deep because his managers didn’t understand the times-through-the-order penalty; they did it because Halladay was seemingly immune to it.
| TTO | IP | TBF | AVG | OBP | SLG | wOBA |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1st Through Order as SP | 750.2 | 3058 | 0.248 | 0.294 | 0.356 | 0.287 |
| 2nd Through Order as SP | 755.2 | 3020 | 0.238 | 0.275 | 0.352 | 0.275 |
| 3rd Through Order as SP | 684.0 | 2796 | 0.247 | 0.289 | 0.383 | 0.293 |
| 4th Through Order as SP | 219.0 | 900 | 0.266 | 0.304 | 0.393 | 0.301 |
Hitters performed more or less the same against Halladay when facing him a third time as they did their first time up, and they were worst off when facing him a second time. Unlike most mortals, Roy Halladay just didn’t get worse as the game wore on. He was great early, he was great in the middle, and he was great at the end.
While we’ve been some of the loudest advocates here for the advantages gained by extending bullpens in the postseason, Halladay was a pitcher who legitimately didn’t need the help. He gave his teammates the night off more often than just about anyone else, and even when he didn’t throw all nine innings, he frequently left just five or six outs remaining when he exited. Pitching at a time when the game was evolving away from dominant starting pitchers, Halladay was a reminder of what a legitimate ace looks like.
But perhaps more than anything else, what I’ll remember about Halladay is how different his career could have gone. Like many highly touted pitching prospects, Halladay didn’t exactly dominate from day one. His 1999 rookie season looked good on the surface — he recorded a a 79 ERA- — but his 82/79 K/BB ratio was problematic, and his 112 FIP- showed that those results probably weren’t going to last without missing more bats. And in 2000, everything fell apart: he ran a 10.64 ERA in 68 innings, a mark that remains the highest in major-league history for a pitcher with 50 or more innings in a season.
Halladay wasn’t very good back in Triple-A after the eventual demotion, either, so to begin the 2001 season, the Blue Jays assigned him back to the High-A Florida State League and stuck him in the bullpen. Halladay was tasked with re-imagining his mechanics and his approach to the mental side of baseball a year after being regarded as the Blue Jays’ ace of the future.
And he did just that. Halladay fixed what he needed to fix in the minors, returning to the majors mid-season and immediately establishing himself as the second-best starter in the American League, behind only some guy named Pedro Martinez. Halladay put up +4 WAR in a half-season that began with him in A-ball retooling his mechanics.
And that began a run of dominance that didn’t stop until his body finally betrayed him at age 35. He nearly became just another flameout top prospect who couldn’t get big leaguers out. Within a few months of hitting rock bottom, though, he made himself unhittable and stayed that way for over a decade. He basically lived out the hero’s journey on the biggest stage baseball has to offer.
And that is one of the reasons why, when Halladay retired in 2013, I called him a “deserving Hall of Famer” and compared him multiple times to Sandy Koufax. He didn’t have the longevity for which some voters look, but his extended run of greatness simply can’t be ignored.
Roy Halladay was one of the best pitchers I’ve ever seen. He belongs in Cooperstown. I have no doubt he’ll get there now, but he belonged even before this tragedy took him from us too early. We might not get to see his Hall of Fame acceptance speech, but Roy Halladay spoiled us with a Hall of Fame career.
By most accounts, he was also a Hall of Fame person. I’m envious of those who got to know that side of him. I’ll only ever know him as a baseball player, but I will always remember him as one of the best I’ve ever seen.
Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.
One of the best. Pitched during steroid era and dominated for a decade.
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Very well said.
I saw a quote from someone that sums Halladay up so well. He was your favorite player’s favorite player.
Wasn’t that Jeff Sullivan? Yesterday?
https://twitter.com/BMcCarthy32/status/928021775731978241
It was Brandon McCarthy.
State of Colorado’s greatest player. Agree he deserves to be our 2nd Hall of Famer (Gossage). From a purely aesthetic point of view, I’ve always particularly appreciated pitchers that can be wildly successful with pinpoint control and contact management. Doc was a master of both. RIP.
When that day comes, he will also be only the second player ever to be inducted into the hall of fame as a Toronto Blue Jay. He will join Roberto Alomar then.
Despite the inability of the organization during Halladay’s tenure to build a contending team, Roy was one of the only reasons to go to the ballpark between the Championship years in the early 90’s, and the recent playoff appearances. You can certainly make an argument that Roy Halladay is the greatest Toronto Blue Jay of all time.
Halladay was for sure the best pitcher in Blue Jays history, I would make a case for the best pitcher on the MLB Jays team to receive an award in Halladay’s name to remember his legacy
As a Braves fan, I remember Halladay as the guy for the Phillies, more than any other pitcher during that era, that when he played your team, you just knew going in you were in for a miserable experience, unless you were able to step back and just enjoy his mastery.
I know it’s been said, but he also was elite in the AL East, at a time when the Yankees and Red Sox ran out offenses that were head and shoulders above every other team in baseball. From 2001-2009, the Yankees had the best offense in baseball, slashing .277/.354/.453, good for a 113 wRC+. The Red Sox were #2 with a 109 wRC+. And those were the 2 teams Halladay faced the most in his career. He was truly remarkable.
I don’t think Fangraphs offers these kinds of splits, and I’m sure as hell not going to calculate wRC+-against myself, but according to BRef the Yankees ran an absolutely average 100 tOPS+ against Doc (ie they did no better than anybody else against him).
First jays pitcher to beat the yankees 5 times in one season!
In 2010 I had the pleasure of riding in the back of a hotel elevator with Roy Halladay and Mark Buehrle while both were in Boston– the White Sox were playing that afternoon and the Blue Jays just came in town to start their series with the Red Sox the next day. They were talking about Buehrle’s new catcher getting called up soon, Tyler Flowers. I worked at the hotel and a number of teams stayed there– I had a great conversation with Casey Janssen about fantasy baseball around that time, I got stiffed by Dennys Baez while delivering a $4000 bottle of congac, and I even got a little shakedown from one of Alexei Ramirez’s many musky bodyguards– but being a fly on the wall for 30 seconds with those two gods in the room was the best and most memorable of those encounters. I remember Roy asking Mark if he thought Tyler would stick in the bigs this time, and Mark said something like “not if AJ has anything to do with it.” Something about seeing them as peers with mutual respect, rather than foes, really helped shape my fanboy image of athletes to seeing them as real, normal people. Roy was the best for a long time and I will miss his presence in the world.
I love stories like this!
My favorite Buerhle-Halladay fact is that they combined to pitch in a game that lasted 1 hour and 50 minutes: https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TOR/TOR200705310.shtml
Roy Halladay: 76 ERA- 78 FIP-
Greg Maddux: 76 ERA- 78 FIP-
Whoa
To be fair, Maddux maintained that ERA- even after pitching 20 years. Many of them as a pudgy old man. So Halliday was no Maddux.
He was robbed of a long compiling decline phase by fate and injury.
His peak was temendous but obviously not a peak like the very top tier guys like Maddux, Pedro, Johnoson, Clemens.
But he WAS the best pithcer of his era. Arriving just as Pedro and Maddux and JOhnson were wrapping up and taking us directly into the current Kershaw generation.
An obvious Hall Of Famer. I’d have prefered him finish with a slightly higher ERA and gotten to watch 4 more years of his work but pitchers break.
That ALDS No-Hitter was one of the best playoff oments in recent history and while he never got a world Series ring it’s great that he got to experince consistent success with a team after years of playing with the Jays at a time that his division was dominated by two tremendous teams.
I really don’t know how fair that is.
Halladay pitched thru his age 36 season. Halladay and his end of career finish was a lot more normal than Maddux. Just looking this year- there were only 16 guys in MLB that pitched older than 36. Only 4 pitched at least 75 innings- Dickey, Lackey, Colon, and Hill. Going back to 2011, there were also only 4 guys with at least 75 innings- Wakefield, Lowe, Mota, and …. Colon. (and only 20 overall)
The guys that stick around are the guys like a Colon quite frankly that were never really elite.
And his career ERA did increase already from 3.23 to 3.38 due to the last 2 years. FIP from 3.31 to 3.39.
What Maddux did- is really the exception, not the rule.
1 minor nit-pick- it was an NLDS no-hitter not ALDS.
Roy Oswalt: 79 ERA- 78 FIP-
Kevin Brown: 78 ERA- 78 FIP-
Whoa
His 76 ERA- is #43 for all pitchers post 1994 strike(min 500 innings).
His 78 FIP- is #27 in same group
His 65.2 WAR is #9 for all pitchers since the strike. And #21 for all players since the strike.
that says plenty about Brown, too. Had he not had such a nasty personality perhaps he’d have received serious HOF consideration. He had filthy stuff! The voters, especially those who knew him, certainly took that off-field stuff into consideration (see Schilling, Curt).
Roy was thoughtful on and off the field. He had an incredible work ethic and was supremely talented, but always remained humble and generous. Baseball (and society in general) needs more people like him.
His career ERA+ is 131, which includes one of the worst stretches of all time. If you remove his dreadful 2000 campaign (10.64 ERA), his career ERA+ increases to 137 which is higher than that of Greg Maddux, Randy Johnson, Sandy Koufax, and Christy Mathewson. Add in the fact that a good portion of his games were pitched against the juggernaut Red Sox and Yankee offenses of the 2000’s and you’ve got a pretty damn impressive resume.
damn! Christy Mathewson!
Thank you for this.
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/roy-halladay-in-relief-of-roy-halladay/
This still is one of my favorite pieces I’ve read here on FanGraphs. One of Halladay’s most celebrated traits was his efficiency, but I think that almost obscured how filthy he could be when he wanted to. However great you thought he was, he was probably better.
A true loss for baseball.
Great Dave, thanks so much for writing such a touching piece.
Have to wonder who Roy worked with to help get him back on track in A ball.
Mel Queen
Tom Verducci wrote an SI piece on the details
As a Jays fan, he was fantastic to watch. You looked at the schedule to see when Halladay was due to go see a game.
He wasn’t just an inning eating workhorse, he was a fast worker. He’d be among the guys with the lowest time between pitches. Catch, see the sign, go. Didn’t wave off his catcher much because he would’ve done the work on the strategy he wants before the game.
One of his old catchers in Toronto Greg Zaun was saying he was a mental day off because Halladay did 75% of the work on video review and strategy. Pitching coach and him were just along for the ride.
When I think about Roy Halladay, I think about how some games it looked like he was playing wiffle ball out there, makes me smile….
During the world series I found my mind veering towards my memories of watching Halladay because I thought that Charlie Morton’s delivery and motion looked a lot like Halladay.
As a Jays fan the thing that Halladay did most for me was he gave me a reason to continue watching baseball, without that I would have missed out on some of my greatest memories.
Funny you should mention that.
https://www.sbnation.com/2011/7/29/2303478/roy-halladay-and-charlie-morton-can-you-possibly-tell-them-apart
Great player, even better person. Toronto was proud to welcome you and your family for all of those unforgettable seasons with the Jays, and we lived every moment of your success with the Phillies along with you as if you had never left.
When someone passes I feel it is important to celebrate who they were as a person and how they lived. One of my favourite Roy memories outside of ball was from a couple of years ago when he photobombed an unsuspecting fan wearing his jersey at an amusement park. Great example of the joy he lived with.
Here’s the pic, hope the link works:
https://twitter.com/RoyHalladay/status/554384274007543808/photo/1
I just couldn’t believe how efficient the guy was on the mound. One of the guys that your team would face and you’d wonder why you never seemed to be batting. If baseball had a “time of possession” stat, seeing the amount of time, I’m sure it would be hilarious to see just how little time he spent out there compared with how many innings he actually pitched. A definite hall of famer that I think bridges the gap between what we should expect in terms of old school qualifications to new school.
“You’d wonder why you never seemed to be batting” — great line, really captures what it felt like to root for whatever team he was shutting out that day. That might sound like hyperbole, but not if you’re a fellow Tigers fan (12-2, 2.19).
Against the Tigers- 15 games started, 6 of them complete. 4 of those as shutouts. That is absurd.
Watching and listening to the outpouring of love and affection from his former teammates this week is astounding. And the word used most often, in almost every interview, was “humble.” RIP, Roy.
One of the best I ever saw live and on tv in my generation. RIP Doc.
There are now reports that Roy was doing high risk flight maneuvers. does that affect whether there is an early HOF Ballot? I’m not saying it was the same as taveras or fernandez because those were drunk and also putting other People at risk with their Actions which Roy did not but if the voters decide that Roy promoted that Crash with doing reckless “Stunts” that could affect the decision.