World Series Game 4 Chat
by Meg Rowley
October 24, 2020
| 8:00 |
: Hello everyone
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| 8:01 |
: Expectations for Urias tonight? Is 5 innings too much to expect? |
| 8:02 |
: To expect, yes.
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| 8:02 |
: It’s time for Dodger (and Ray) Baseball!
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| 8:02 |
: Just killing time until the Wiz play tonight
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| 8:02 |
: Hi Brendan! |
| 8:02 |
: And which team are you rooting for?
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| 8:03 |
: Are you familiar with Peyton Manning’s “Detail” show on the history of football and the NFL? What retired MLB player would you like to see make a similar show for baseball?
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| 8:03 |
: Hector Santiago
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| 8:04 |
: Smoltz says the Rays need at least 5 runs to win. Agree or disagree?
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| 8:04 |
: Agree |
| 8:05 |
: Should I rename both my sons Brusdar Graterol, or just one?
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| 8:05 |
: Grusdar Braterol
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| 8:05 |
: How long does Yarbrough go?
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| 8:06 |
 Dan Szymborski: Greetings!
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| 8:06 |
: 1-2 times through the order depending how the first trip goes
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| 8:06 |
: Do you know something about Hector Santiago the rest of us don’t? |
| 8:06 |
: He’s just a really big fan of the sport, collects jerseys and all that. Has a lot of appreciation for the game.
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| 8:06 |
Dan Szymborski: Name one of your sons Brusdar, the other Kenta, and let history decide who is your primary son.
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| 8:07 |
: Smoltz is pumping up the tv audience to expect an exciting, high scoring affair, lest we all change the channel to figure skating on NBCSports Network in 1 hour.
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| 8:07 |
: Everybody savor this: Kwah commented without including a pun
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| 8:09 |
: Bellinger behind Muncy and Smith feels so weird
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| 8:09 |
: Too cute by half |
| 8:10 |
Dan Szymborski: That can’t be the real Kwah then!
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| 8:10 |
: The lack of puns is the very thing I despise about all non-Kwah commenters.
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| 8:12 |
: The Book says your best hitters should be in 2/4/5/1/3, right? I get that they have an embarrassment of riches but it doesn’t seem right to have Bellinger at #6.
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| 8:13 |
| 8:13 |
: It’s one of those things that’s more annoying than it is impactful.
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| 8:13 |
: At least to me! |
| 8:14 |
Dan Szymborski: Part of the fun of life is being annoyed by stupid stuff!
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| 8:14 |
: And part of the joy of life is rooting for Joe Buck to need to give us the Rays defense again
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| 8:14 |
Dan Szymborski: If you can’t get annoyed by something meaningless, you’ll never get enough frothy outrage when something is important! It’s like how you have to exercise and stuff before you run the marathon.
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| 8:14 |
: Foul out to 1st base, line drive out to 2nd base… this Dodgers lineup’s performance so far is like my sex life as an adolescent.
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| 8:14 |
: I think there was also something in that chapter in The Book about how spacing out your lefties (within reason) is just as important as all the rest of it.
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| 8:14 |
: Oh hey they changed their defensive alignment graphic! |
| 8:15 |
: BOOM
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| 8:15 |
: Hey a home run
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| 8:15 |
Dan Szymborski: I like how the WS Game 4 Watch Party is easier to find than WS Game 4 on FoxSports.com. It’s like they forgot people might actually go to their site.
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| 8:16 |
Dan Szymborski: 
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| 8:16 |
: What kind of contrast do you think Turner gets as a free agent this year?
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| 8:16 |
: Wow, honestly didn’t expect that to get out |
| 8:16 |
: Sure didn’t look gone off the bat
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| 8:17 |
: As for contract, a 2-3 year high AAV deal seems about right
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| 8:18 |
: Contract crowdsourcing anyone?
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| 8:18 |
Dan Szymborski: I could run the prelim projection!
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| 8:18 |
: Neutral comment to maybe get accepted and not upset anyone
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| 8:20 |
Dan Szymborski: I gotta say, I was taking a nap earlier and missed the original discussion of the Mike Elias thing so I’m just now getting to read the NYDN piece. The article really tries to oversell its thesis; it’s all “If A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H then Elias is in serious trouble!” He may be, but there are a *lot* of weasel words in there. |
| 8:21 |
: Re: contracts–do you think we’ll see more short term, high AAV values, such as that suggested for Turner, given that teams will be unlikely to make long-term commitments because of COVID uncertainty?
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| 8:21 |
Dan Szymborski: And Madden *really* made a leap when he decided that Luhnow was talking about Elias/Megdal. They’re far from the only employees to leave the team. But since it worked with his thesis, he threw in how Luhnow *must* be talking about them.’
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| 8:22 |
: That’s my guess re: contracts. Between the upcoming CBA and COVID… I don’t expect too many long-term deals.
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| 8:22 |
: i don’t know if this was true yesterday. but just noticed that Lowe was finally demoted from the top of the order
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| 8:22 |
Dan Szymborski: He hit 2nd yesterday
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| 8:23 |
Dan Szymborski: Yeah, I think there’s going to be a huge gulf between a few top stars and the proletariat. |
| 8:23 |
Dan Szymborski: More than usual.
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| 8:23 |
: And there aren’t that many starts this year. Especially since one of them says he’s taking a one-year deal anyway.
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| 8:23 |
: Any chance we see Kenley again tonight? Or no go on the B2B games?
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| 8:24 |
Dan Szymborski: Yeah, if Bauer had been willing, I could see him easily getting $50 million more than anyone in the market.
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| 8:25 |
: For Kenley: I assume so? Am I missing an injury report?
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| 8:25 |
: He’s pitched back-to-back earlier this postseason
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| 8:25 |
Dan Szymborski: I hope Urias never goes for a neutral look for his glasses. While they’re there for projection, that they stand out is kinda his signature look.
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| 8:25 |
Dan Szymborski: Protection, not projection
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| 8:25 |
: Bauer has been backing off the 1-year deal thing, which makes sense, since he’s got a chance to get a Strasburgian contract.
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| 8:25 |
Dan Szymborski: Yeah, I’m not 100% that Bauer does it either.
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| 8:26 |
Dan Szymborski: He can be a tough guy to figure.
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| 8:26 |
: I’m sure Baseball Twitter will respond reasonably in either case
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| 8:26 |
: What are the chances returns to the Dodgers next season? I know they don’t have the cap space but they could trade someone like Pollock to make some room
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| 8:26 |
: I mean, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist that a one year $32M deal is worse than a 7-year $32M deal.
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| 8:26 |
: The best free agent forward in the NHL took a one year deal! It’s all messed up
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| 8:26 |
: Dan, I remember a couple weeks ago you thought a team would hire Luhnow, and I was thinking that it would be a terrible idea. After hearing from him lately, do you still think that?
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| 8:27 |
Dan Szymborski: I still think he’ll get a job, though it may not be this year.
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| 8:27 |
: Manuel Margot batting cleanup is why the Dodgers’ offense is so much better.
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| 8:27 |
: Could have had him with a better tag
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| 8:28 |
: There is no salary cap; if the Dodgers want to re-sign Turner, it’s not like they can’t afford it.
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| 8:28 |
: According to his vlog, Bauer bet his friend that he’d only do one-year deals. The bet involves punching, iirc.
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| 8:28 |
Dan Szymborski: There’s a dollar figure in which you’ll take some punches.
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| 8:29 |
: $$$ > a couple bruises
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| 8:29 |
Dan Szymborski: For example, playing Goldeneye on N64, the rule in my circle of friends was that if someone tried to be Oddjob or Moonraker Elite #2, you were allowed to punch them until they changed. Some people still tried though.
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| 8:29 |
: That’s ugly materialism. Money can’t buy happiness.
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| 8:30 |
Dan Szymborski: Everybody’s got a price.
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| 8:30 |
: Randy AroCSarena.
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| 8:30 |
: Wait why is AJ Pollock in CF? Wouldn’t moving Betts to CF and putting AJ in RF be a better defensive lineup without Bellinger?
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| 8:31 |
Dan Szymborski: I’m with you.
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| 8:31 |
: Mookie only played two innings of CF all year
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| 8:31 |
Dan Szymborski: I’d still prefer Mookie in center.
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| 8:31 |
: There’s the Kwah we know and love
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| 8:31 |
: I always played Baron Samedi, slappers only
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| 8:31 |
Dan Szymborski: We rotated weapons.
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| 8:31 |
Dan Szymborski: We also gambled money on game outcomes.
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| 8:31 |
: How much more $$ could I make over the next 10 years if I take things year-to-year and my performance stays where it’s at, and no major injuries?
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| 8:32 |
: Fun question. Conservatively, $100-150 million?
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| 8:33 |
: If these teams played inverted (pitchers hit/field and position players pitch), who do you think would win?
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| 8:33 |
: Dodgers; Mookie’s good at everything
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| 8:33 |
: I’m going to guess $300m
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| 8:35 |
: Not sure I’ve ever seen a pitcher make a better catch on a popup
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| 8:36 |
: Yarby making a compelling argument for playing the field RE: Larry’s question.
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| 8:36 |
Dan Szymborski: ZiPS has turner at 3/47. He *is* getting really up there in age.
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| 8:36 |
: For those saying the Dodgers would have no problem paying Turner and going over the luxury tax, they haven’t gone over the soft cap since 2016. It doesn’t seem like something Friedman likes to do
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| 8:37 |
: They don’t need to do it to compete.
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| 8:37 |
: Is it just me or do these Bauer contract estimates seem high? He’s good and recently has been great but it’s not like he’s been consistently an ace throughout his career
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| 8:37 |
Dan Szymborski: He has a five-year ERA+ of 125
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| 8:37 |
Dan Szymborski: That’s ace, just not ultra-elite territory.
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| 8:38 |
: And the worst of those seasons were four and five years ago. He’s good.
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| 8:38 |
Dan Szymborski: The average top ERA+ on a team is like 120-125
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| 8:38 |
Dan Szymborski: (for starters of course)
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| 8:39 |
: In part, it depends on how conservative you want to be with the ace label. Is he one of the 5-10 best pitchers in baseball? Eh, I lean no. Next tier down? Absolutely.
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| 8:39 |
: humble brag. on my high school JV team i managed to bunt one safely over the charging 1B despite a pitch out attempt because our runner on third was running on the wind up.
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| 8:40 |
Dan Szymborski: ZiPS had Bauer as the #19 starter in WAR entering 2020.
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| 8:40 |
Dan Szymborski: And that was coming off a meh 2019.
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| 8:40 |
Dan Szymborski: I’d wager he’s up to 12 or so.
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| 8:41 |
: His era has been above 4 in all but 2 years, one of those abbreviated. He’s good but inconsistent
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| 8:41 |
Dan Szymborski: 3.64 ERA, 3.63 FIP. The ERA is more volatile because ERA is more volatile.
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| 8:41 |
: The variable there is whether MLB will ever do anything to crack down on… things that make your spin rate shoot through the roof
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| 8:41 |
: How likely are the Rays to repeat as AL champs next season?
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| 8:42 |
: I would be wary of giving Bauer a Strasburgian contract, but I also thought that Strasburg did not deserve a Strasburgian contract.
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| 8:42 |
: It’s almost impossible to make an argument that Strasburg deserves it more than Bauer does, and he’s coming off a dominant performance. Someone will pay him a lot just based on recency bias.
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| 8:43 |
Dan Szymborski: I *should* note that ZiPS had Strasburg as the #6 SP entering 2020. Fifth among pitchers who didn’t miss 2020 with TJ surgery!
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| 8:43 |
: I don’t think it’s “recency bias” to pay for players who are good right now
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| 8:43 |
: crazy how Yarbrough has like the perfect power pitcher body and throws like 87
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| 8:43 |
: Soft tossers get a bad rep these days
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| 8:46 |
: I wouldn’t be surprised if Bauer was #6 going into 2021. With Strasburg and Sale and Syndergaard and and Severino Soroka missing the year and Flaherty underperforming, plus that great performance. I think there’s a pretty solid case for him in the Top 10, at least.
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| 8:46 |
Dan Szymborski: I’ll tell you when the projections are out!
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| 8:46 |
: Bauer’s “intangibles” – ie, his off-field shenanigans/products – will also vary his contract more than it would for other players.
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| 8:46 |
Dan Szymborski: I think that’s mostly just Twitter noise.
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| 8:46 |
Dan Szymborski: It’ll have zero effect on his deal.
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| 8:47 |
: but is he an asshole? seems like he’s tough to get along with, that doesn’t play well in a clubhouse
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| 8:47 |
Dan Szymborski: I don’t think people are that easily categorized.
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| 8:47 |
Dan Szymborski: I *can* tell you writers opinions on players and players opinions on players are rarely on the same page.
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| 8:48 |
: ^^^
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| 8:48 |
: Still amazes me that Urías is only 24. Feels like he’s been here forever.
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| 8:48 |
: Almost a quarter of his life
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| 8:48 |
: Who says no: Jon Gray for Gary Sanchez
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| 8:48 |
Dan Szymborski: There are a *lot* of writers who legitimately thought that the majority of players would agree with the whole “How DARE they play a baseball season” stuff.
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| 8:49 |
: That’s a fun trade that makes both players more exciting in 2021. I like it.
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| 8:49 |
: What if the Rockies sign him Dan? Would you still argue for him?
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| 8:49 |
: What would be more exciting: A 21-k shutout from Urias, or a 21-0 Dodger win with 21 solo homers?
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| 8:49 |
Dan Szymborski: I have zero problem praising the Rockies when they do something competent or ripping a competent franchise a new one if they do something I don’t like.
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| 8:49 |
: The former
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| 8:49 |
Dan Szymborski: I think the Rays are certainly well-run, but I certainly torched them for getting Souza instead of Turner
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| 8:50 |
: He’s the new Edwin Jackson
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| 8:50 |
: I think the Rockies say no.
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| 8:50 |
: They need a guy like Gray a lot more than most teams do.
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| 8:51 |
Dan Szymborski: I don’t think they know what to do with Gray.
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| 8:51 |
: They also haven’t had a catcher who can hit in forever
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| 8:51 |
Dan Szymborski: And I dont’ think they’re smart enough to know what they might have in Gray
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| 8:52 |
: Imagine a good Gary Sanchez in Colorado
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| 8:52 |
: If he doesn’t shred his hand again doing his drone hobby I don’t think teams will care.
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| 8:52 |
: I had another trade proposal that assumes Lindor leaves and Wander Franco takes over SS for TB. Not wanting Adames to depreciate in value by moving to 3B or LF and Cleveland needing bats over arms; Willy Adames for Zach Plesac (as basic framework)
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| 8:52 |
: The Rockies are the team that’s dumb enough to just look at ERA but also dumb enough to just look at batting average so really who knows
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| 8:53 |
: Why are the lights always on at the other field
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| 8:53 |
Dan Szymborski: “LOOK HOW MUCH MONEY WE’VE BURNED”
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| 8:53 |
: The Rays don’t care about Adames’ WAR
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| 8:53 |
: Imagine any Yankee in Colorado…*whistles*
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| 8:53 |
: Adam Ottavino is getting nostalgic
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| 8:54 |
Dan Szymborski: You know, with his hair grown out a bit, Yarbrough has a real Patrick Bateman American Psycho look.
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| 8:54 |
: True but Zach Plesac 2026 free agent makes the TB Goldman Sachs guys faint
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| 8:55 |
: Adames is my #1 regression candidate for next year. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Rays move him if they can find someone who believes that batting line.
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| 8:55 |
Dan Szymborski: My feeling is the Rays will move *anyone* if they see an opportunity to.
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| 8:55 |
: Yankees hitters are like Jurassic Park dinosaurs. Once they leave, they’ll suffer some amino acid deficiency and stop hitting.
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| 8:56 |
Dan Szymborski: Poor Jacoby Ellsbury; he couldn’t even last enough to be a terrible ex-Yankee for a poorly run team.
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| 8:56 |
: Tampa can get good pitchers for cheaper than that though
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| 8:56 |
Dan Szymborski: Oh, I’m not saying *this* trade ncessarily.
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| 8:56 |
: Maybe they’re more like Jem’Hadar.
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| 8:57 |
: Just like Patrick Bateman, Yarbrough went *way* too far inside on his victim.
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| 8:57 |
: When you know, you know.
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| 8:57 |
: CoHRey Seager.
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| 8:57 |
: seager smash
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| 8:58 |
: New solution: only get double plays to end innings. You don’t want even numbered outs against LA.
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| 8:58 |
: Alex?
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| 8:58 |
Dan Szymborski: That thing was smack-dab in the wheelhouse.
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| 8:58 |
: Seager with a shot from the golden gun
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| 8:58 |
Dan Szymborski: “Rockies acquire two Klobbs for a Golden Gun”
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| 8:59 |
: Future headline: “Rays trade Batboy and bushel of unpopped popcorn for Mackenzie Gore”
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| 9:00 |
: Who ends up with more career postseason HRs: Seager or Correa?
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| 9:00 |
Dan Szymborski: Correa. He’s got a lead and they’re the same age/tier.
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| 9:00 |
: seager will be playing in the postseason for the next ten years
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| 9:00 |
Dan Szymborski: Correa ain’t going to the Rockies
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| 9:00 |
: Remember that Ben Clemens article about adding another out to an inning? It feels like the Dodgers do that.
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| 9:00 |
: With Manfred at the helm, everybody’s gonna be playing in the postseason for the next ten years
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| 9:01 |
: More like “Rays trade Randy Arozarena for batboy and bushel of popcorn” and suddenly the batboy starts throwing 99 w movement
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| 9:01 |
Dan Szymborski: “The new postseason is just everyone but the Rockies”
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| 9:01 |
: If you had to pick one of the 2021 FA SS to build a team around, who would it be?
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| 9:01 |
: Lindor
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| 9:03 |
: Muncy’s postseason walking seems like a pretty unprecedented affair
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| 9:04 |
: Getting ridiculous
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| 9:04 |
: Peter Fairbanks is warming up
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| 9:04 |
: I like it. Rays need to gamble on a game, and this as good as any.
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| 9:05 |
: Death, taxes, and Max Muncy drawing walks.
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| 9:05 |
: Lindor’s definitely the best of them, and he will be paid like it.
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| 9:05 |
: Dan what do you think the projections are like for Javy Baez after his dud this year?
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| 9:05 |
Dan Szymborski: I did a piece on that!
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| 9:06 |
: I’m feeling good about tonight… finally won’t have to hear any mention of an ex-pirate who turned into a stud after leaving
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| 9:06 |
: What conspiracy can baseball conjure up to get Mike Trout in a World Series??? Even if it’s not with the Angels.
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| 9:06 |
: They already tried doubling the playoff field…
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| 9:07 |
: Trout sneaks across town and plays as an anonymous Dodger Mark Bass.
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| 9:11 |
: Being up 2 is great and all 2 out runs feel like found money but it sure feels like a hit in either the last two innings would have made this so much worse for the Rays
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| 9:11 |
: The whole silly “Is Mookie actually now better than Trout” thing has had the bittersweet consequence of injecting more Mike Trout into October discourse.
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| 9:12 |
: You could make it even easier and just switch Hunter Renfroe and Mike Trout
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| 9:12 |
: One thing that will be interesting to track is whether Trouts defensive decline this year is real. If it is and he’s a corner guy it’s way more realistic for someone to be his peer
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| 9:13 |
: Been thinking about this lately. Not so much the defensive decline specifically, since it’s just 50+ games… But eventually someone’s going to catch him, and it’s probably a year-to-year thing at this point.
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| 9:14 |
: Mookie + Buehler for Trout who says no
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| 9:14 |
: Dodgers
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| 9:14 |
: How are you defining catching him? WAR?
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| 9:15 |
: Sure; probably a combination of things.
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| 9:15 |
: “someone’s going to catch him” feels like Tatis right>
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| 9:16 |
: One of a small group of guys with a shot. Mookie, Acuña in there too.
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| 9:16 |
: “Catching” Trout in a single year performance is much different than someone demonstrating a higher true talent level. Median outcome Trout >>> median outcome anyone for the foreseeable future
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| 9:16 |
: I don’t think that’s true.
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| 9:17 |
: Soto!
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| 9:17 |
: Wander Franco or is that aggressive?
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| 9:17 |
: I’d bet on Franco before Soto; Soto’s never going to have the same defensive contribution.
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| 9:17 |
: Urias is dealing
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| 9:17 |
: Is there a game going on?
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| 9:17 |
: He’s been beat in a few seasons in his career though, no? But he’s still been the best player in baseball
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| 9:18 |
: Who was the best player in baseball before Trout? Pujols, Miggy, Cano?
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| 9:18 |
Dan Szymborski: It was always Trout. Don’t be so time-linear!
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| 9:18 |
: He has, and I don’t think him losing a single-season WAR title by a win here and there will knock him off the perch. But by the time he is knocked off, he won’t be running 7-8 WAR seasons, either.
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| 9:19 |
: “To make the game more exciting, I’m instituting a rule change: Each remaining inning of tonight’s game will begin with a runner on 3rd with 1 out. Fight me”
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| 9:19 |
: Chances Kershaw wins the WS tomorrow with a complete game shutout
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| 9:19 |
: I wonder if we’ll ever see a complete game in the WS ever again.
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| 9:20 |
: Bonds -> Pujols -> Trout. If you wanna go back further figure out the best player in the 1980s. Schmidt maybe?
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| 9:20 |
: Peak Trout > Peak Pujols
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| 9:21 |
: Peak Tea > Peak Anyone
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| 9:21 |
: Yeah, definitely Pujols before Trout. He was ridiculously good. And Bonds, although if you’re looking for a clean champion you probably have to go with Randy or Pedro.
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| 9:21 |
: The WAR leader the year before Trout claimed the title was Ellsbury. Second mention in this chat!
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| 9:21 |
: An outing like Kershaw’s vs the Brewers with a 10 run lead in a clinching game is the one chance I think.
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| 9:21 |
Dan Szymborski: those Tacoby salad days
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| 9:22 |
: Cody Beatenbytheshiftinger.
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| 9:22 |
: I had a tweet about this earlier, but it’s remarkable how the “best player in baseball” crown has only passed hands a few times in two decades.
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| 9:22 |
: I’ve been playing The Show with a downloaded best players of all-time roster and the 80s hitting stars are all just super contact-oriented, low power guys, it’s so strange to me
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| 9:22 |
: Kind of remarkable how smooth the baton handoff from Pujols to Trout was. The former started being bad right when the latter showed up, no awkward transition period
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| 9:22 |
: 2001-2004: Bonds 2005-2011: Pujols Six weeks in 2012: Matt Kemp June 2012-Present: Trout |
| 9:23 |
: Agreed I was going progression that’s why I used arrows
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| 9:23 |
: My fault, I misunderstood
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| 9:23 |
: Seems like Miggy, Verlander, or Kershaw might’ve had the title a year or two, 2010-11
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| 9:23 |
: Don’t ruin my narrative!
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| 9:24 |
Dan Szymborski: Poor Matt Kemp is Edgar Aetheling.
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| 9:24 |
: Isn’t “the best player in baseball” the kind of title that necessarily requires a multi-year track record? So it’s hard to flip often. That’s why bryce harper was never considered the best player
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| 9:25 |
: Yes.
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| 9:25 |
: Aj pollock had a decent season but damn he feels completely useless all postseason
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| 9:25 |
Dan Szymborski: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/mike-trouts-inevitable-decline/
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| 9:25 |
: Sorry Mike
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| 9:25 |
Dan Szymborski: The first chart in that link is relevant.
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| 9:26 |
: Don’t forget about Griffey, guys (I agree it’s Bonds there…but still)
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| 9:26 |
: Or Rodriguez
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| 9:26 |
: Ryan Braun = William the Conqueror!
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| 9:26 |
: How much more Yarbrough do we think we’re seeing tonight?
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| 9:26 |
: Dave is on the pulse
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| 9:26 |
: Pollock so out of place on this team because he doesnt have the chase discipline. Makes him frustrating to watch
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| 9:27 |
: Pollock’s regular season was quite good, not just decent
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| 9:27 |
Dan Szymborski: WE DONT NEED A QUICK WORD FROM TMOBILE
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| 9:27 |
: The Dodgers have hit more home runs at this park than the Rangers have…
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| 9:27 |
: You know you have a good team when you can understandably lose A.J. Pollock in the shuffle
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| 9:27 |
: Was the relevant point that John McGraw was once the best player in baseball?
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| 9:27 |
: Seems like Rays are only super aggressive with the hook when they have the lead
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| 9:27 |
Dan Szymborski: It has the projected WAR leader for each season, which encompasses a variety of previous seasons!@
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| 9:28 |
: They’re definitely more aggressive in those situations. But they need to start taking chances.
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| 9:28 |
: Pollocks regular season was good just because he hit a bunch of dingers, even then he had an obvious hole flailing at the low away breaker
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| 9:28 |
: To be fair to him, many people do
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| 9:28 |
: That chart is a fun read
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| 9:28 |
: Yes, don’t let that link get lost in the shuffle
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| 9:29 |
: And in the postseason he’s just been eaten up in that hole and lacks the discipline to take it. He’s got like a 3.5% walkrate and the rest of the team like 15% this postseason
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| 9:29 |
: Anybody can have a shitty 30 PA’s
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| 9:30 |
Dan Szymborski: 
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| 9:30 |
: I read that shitty PA comment as an insult against Pennsylvania initially
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| 9:30 |
: That list is a who’s who of inner circle Hall of Famers
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| 9:30 |
: Article is a fun read too, and I agree that we need to stop hitting players with proverbial buses
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| 9:31 |
: Didn’t realize Wade Boggs was the best player in baseball for an extended period
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| 9:31 |
Dan Szymborski: We secretly despise public transportation
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| 9:31 |
: According to that chart the title went from Boggs to Bonds. Only a two letter change was necessary!
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| 9:31 |
: Pretty much THE list
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| 9:31 |
: I think that chart is pretty accurate
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| 9:31 |
: That’s fair, that’s fair. I think the postseason tests players ability to adapt as teams pound their scouting reports harder than usual. It’s a test many Dodgers failed in previous postseasons. See Bellinger/Seager and the low inside curveball in 17 vs the Astros
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| 9:32 |
: My favorite Boggs fact is that he hit .335/.437/.460 with 89 walks and 47 K’s as a 23 year old in Triple-A… and Boston never called him up that year.
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| 9:32 |
: What’s the fastest a guy has pitched throwing sidearm/submarine like Thompson? Or what’s the upper limit velocity at that arm angle?
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| 9:33 |
: Filing this away for a research project/article idea
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| 9:33 |
: 1970s boston and the service time manipulation they didn’t even know they were doing
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| 9:33 |
: He spent two full years in Pawtucket!
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| 9:33 |
Dan Szymborski: Depends how high an arm slot we’re talking.
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| 9:33 |
: Rays will have somebody throwing 101 fully underhand by 2022
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| 9:33 |
: I want to know if the deception effect of a weird arm angle can be quantified
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| 9:34 |
Dan Szymborski: Could look at platoon splits vs. arm angle but it would require some work to get the latter into a number
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| 9:34 |
: “In 2021, all teams will have the universal DH. Also, they’ll be required to carry a universal remote in their right pockets at all times”
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| 9:35 |
Dan Szymborski: Like, do you call Randy high sidearm or low three-quarters?
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| 9:35 |
Dan Szymborski: I’d at least call Justin Lawrence sidearm and he’s regularly hit 100
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| 9:35 |
Dan Szymborski:
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| 9:35 |
: Wade Boggs… the only man who could ride a horse in the Bronx and be cheered for it.
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| 9:35 |
: hmm, that’s true. A cutoff for arm angle? Or a range….
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| 9:35 |
: The new inefficiency will be recruiting softball pitchers and transitioning them to underhand slinging baseballs. That’s the new moneyball
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| 9:36 |
: Couldn’t you just quantify arm angle by using release points? That seems easier to me.
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| 9:36 |
: A weird arm angle isn’t just deceptive, its also messing with the angles and geometry. It’s not that you can’t necessarily see whats coming.
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| 9:36 |
: Someone pointed out that Rangers players may never hold any of the postseason records in their own park because it would take multiple WS runs to play as many games as the Dodgers have
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| 9:37 |
: At least the place looks like a tin shed
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| 9:37 |
: Holy moly Randy Arozarena
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| 9:37 |
Dan Szymborski: I was a submarine pitcher as a kid. Only reason I ever got anyone out in high school.
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| 9:37 |
: RECORD! THE NEW BONDS!
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| 9:37 |
Dan Szymborski: I pitched for Lutherville travel team, too.
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| 9:37 |
Dan Szymborski: With *zero* talent.
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| 9:37 |
Dan Szymborski: I had a shitty fastball, a shitty sorta curve, and a shitty sorta palmball
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| 9:38 |
: Settling the earlier debate, its’s clear Randy Arozarena has already overtaken Trout as the best player in baseball this postseason
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| 9:38 |
: Dan: a Shitty pitcher
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| 9:38 |
: Arozarena must’ve heard the broadcasters telling him to get a hittable fastball just as that pitch came in
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| 9:38 |
: Maybe he’s wearing a buzzer!
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| 9:38 |
Dan Szymborski: By the time I was a late teenager, just a funky pitching motion wasn’t enough to get anyone out.
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| 9:39 |
: The palmball thats one you don’t see anymore
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| 9:39 |
: (For the record, I am not actually accusing him of wearing a buzzer)
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| 9:39 |
: This is the hottest I have ever seen anyone
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| 9:39 |
Dan Szymborski: I held it very low in my hand and got some really funky dip/fade.
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| 9:39 |
Dan Szymborski: But I doubt I ever hit 70 MPH on *any* pitch.
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| 9:39 |
: Dan drySpitballski.
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| 9:40 |
: Late to the party here tonight, but who would have predicted at the beginning of the year that Manuel Margot would be batting cleanup in a WS game?
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| 9:40 |
Dan Szymborski: Problem was I had zero control over the funky dip/fade
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| 9:40 |
: Or Brosseau hitting third
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| 9:40 |
: Was that Lex Luthorville HS? Archrival of Smallville HS?
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| 9:40 |
: Dan, I’m sorry I’m talking over your palmball
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| 9:40 |
: Dan, can you talk about the World Series, please?
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| 9:40 |
Dan Szymborski: We were talking funky pitching motiosn!
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| 9:41 |
Dan Szymborski: Oh man Urias
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| 9:41 |
: If I tried to pitch I would focus completely on a knuckleball
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| 9:41 |
: This game has felt oddly unsuspenseful given that it’s close and important
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| 9:41 |
: Dan can we get a Zips Time Warp article based on your high school pitching career?
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| 9:41 |
: All my live figure skating US Grand Prix updates have been shadowbanned on this forum.
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| 9:41 |
: Boy Lowe looks lost
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| 9:42 |
Dan Szymborski: “You’re just low now. You want to be lau again, you’re going to have to earn it.”
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| 9:42 |
: Turner always looks like he needs a transfusion.
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| 9:42 |
: ruh roh
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| 9:42 |
: Lowe hit two home runs two games ago!
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| 9:43 |
: Re Mike: Felt that way the whole series. Seems partially due to low crowd noise and neutral setting
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| 9:43 |
: And then he went right back to being lost!
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| 9:43 |
: Is there any stat that standardizes pitcher velocity by era? I’m thinking of a wRC+-like metric where the average fastball velocity would be 100, anything harder goes higher… Do we have the velo data to be able to create something like that? Who would the outliers over the last 20 or so years be?
|
| 9:43 |
: This is a great idea
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| 9:44 |
: My mind says World Series but the atmosphere says Spring Exhibition
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| 9:44 |
: How would you deploy the Dodgers’ bullpen tonight?
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| 9:44 |
: I recently flipped the ’97 ASG on and Maddux is out there throwing 85-87
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| 9:44 |
Dan Szymborski: Carefully 😀
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| 9:44 |
: He went around, says Joe Buck when the pitch is just a strike
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| 9:45 |
: People are just deeply invested in the myths about Nolan Ryan and Bob Gibson throwing 100 to convince themselves that velocity is flat over time
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| 9:45 |
: I love that Velo+ idea!
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| 9:46 |
: Is annoncing really just so hard that Joe Buck is the best we can do, or is nepotism really just that powerful?
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| 9:46 |
Dan Szymborski: It really is hard
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| 9:46 |
Dan Szymborski: Joe Buck’s not horrible, he’s just vanilla
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| 9:46 |
: He’s grown on me in recent years
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| 9:46 |
: And not just b/c of the flyover comment
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| 9:47 |
: Joe Buck is good!
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| 9:47 |
: Smoltz? uhhhh
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| 9:47 |
: Got a new appreciation for Buck from Brockmire
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| 9:47 |
: I feel like the average fastball was slower decades ago, but there was also more variance? Like, you had guys like Ryan (or further back, Feller), but also a bunch of soft tossing junkballers.
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| 9:47 |
: Having a famous dad will open some doors but you have to do the job year after year.
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| 9:48 |
: If I could get velocities for five historic pitchers, I’d take W. Johnson, Feller, N. Ryan, Herb Score, and Steve Dalkowski
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| 9:48 |
: Joe Davis already better than Buck
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| 9:48 |
: west coast bias
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| 9:48 |
: My only problem with Buck is that he enthusiastically encourages Smoltz in his baseball grumping. Joe Davis with Smoltz was so much better just because he didn’t indulge Smoltz
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| 9:48 |
: Smoltz drags Buck down, as he would anyone
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| 9:48 |
Dan Szymborski: Smoltz would be fine if he stayed with the stuff he knows.
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| 9:49 |
: If the Dodgers win today, and Kershaw pitches tomorrow and has a similar performance to Game 1 in the clinching game of the WS do you think he finally shakes the choker narrative?
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| 9:49 |
: More or less. As David Price did in 2018.
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| 9:49 |
: Fairbanks always looks like he’s 4 seconds away from a panic attack
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| 9:49 |
: Yeah just have Smoltz break down pitching mechanics all game. That would be amazing
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| 9:50 |
: It probably becomes like Peyton Manning, where postseason performance isn’t a big part of his story
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| 9:50 |
Dan Szymborski: Exactly! Smoltz is wonderful when he talks that stuff. He should be a third guy whose job it is to break that down.
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| 9:50 |
: I’d get past velocities for Dan at ages 8, 10, 14, 16, and 18
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| 9:50 |
Dan Szymborski: But he’s really cast poorly when it comes to general analysis.
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| 9:50 |
: Seems problematic that the main color commentator doesn’t really understand contemporary baseball strategy
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| 9:50 |
: Imo managers/catchers make better analysts because they know/think about all facets of the game
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| 9:50 |
: “But it wasn’t a REAL World Series win!!”
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| 9:51 |
: What would it take tomorrow for Kershaw to get WS MVP?
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| 9:51 |
: 6 IP, 2 R?
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| 9:51 |
: Turner’s been real good, but the whole lineup has chipped in for LA.
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| 9:51 |
: Fairbanks is as intense as the eyes would suggest. https://theathletic.com/2157682/2020/10/24/how-ultra-competitive-pete-… |
| 9:51 |
: I like watching Fairbanks. He always looks like he’s terrified
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| 9:51 |
Dan Szymborski: 
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| 9:52 |
: I feel like we’ve all been talking as if LAD is winning this game easily. That’s definitely not the case.
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| 9:53 |
: Quit showing us photos from the last time you saw a Huey Lewis & The News concert, Dan.
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| 9:53 |
Dan Szymborski: 
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| 9:53 |
Dan Szymborski: Hey, I’m “only” 42
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| 9:54 |
: Just curious what our chat community is like. Age poll?
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| 9:55 |
: 29
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| 9:55 |
Dan Szymborski:
YOUR AGE
1-10 (1.0% | 1 vote)
11-20 (6.1% | 6 votes)
21-30 (38.7% | 38 votes)
31-40 (25.5% | 25 votes)
41-50 (20.4% | 20 votes)
51-60 (6.1% | 6 votes)
61-70 (2.0% | 2 votes)
71-80 (0% | 0 votes)
81-90 (0% | 0 votes)
91+ (0% | 0 votes)
Total Votes: 98
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| 9:55 |
: Ghost of Kent Hrbek here
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| 9:56 |
: Whoa you can do a poll in here
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| 9:56 |
Dan Szymborski: It’s over the in the right pane
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| 9:56 |
Dan Szymborski: there’s a gear, a person face, a graph, and a robot
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| 9:56 |
: So did Adames tackle him too much or was that fine?
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| 9:56 |
: I’m a little surprised they’re calling him out
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| 9:57 |
: Being in the 11-20 group as a 20 year old feels weird
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| 9:57 |
: 
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| 9:57 |
: I’m surprised the DOdgers aren’t contesting more
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| 9:57 |
: Can the 1 10 year old please explain yeet to me
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| 9:57 |
Dan Szymborski: I assume that’s just a liar!
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| 9:58 |
: Randy Arozarena looks like John David Washington
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| 9:58 |
: I think that one was on Muncy, he initiated the contact and would probably have fallen over if Adames wasn’t there to cushion the impact
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| 9:58 |
: I see Gen X is in the house.
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| 9:58 |
: Classic Dan, calling a kid a liar to his (virtual) face
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| 9:59 |
: You would kind of think after such a famous bad call on that rule in a previous world series that umpires wouldn’t do it again
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| 9:59 |
: To me Muncy was falling on Adames and Adames was trying to protect himself.
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| 9:59 |
: I feel like 5 year increments starting at 15 and going to 50 or 60 might have been more productive
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| 9:59 |
: Is that not reviewable? Muncy definitely had regained his balance before Adames grabbed him and (probably unintentionally) pulled him down.
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| 10:00 |
Dan Szymborski: Dont’ forget, young Gen Xers are 40 this year, so it’s more millennials than Gen X
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| 10:00 |
: I can’t imagine that there’s a protocol for tackles at second base.
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| 10:00 |
: Does having a 10 year old here mean we can’t swear?
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| 10:00 |
: Fuck no
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| 10:00 |
: I’m 39 and right on the mil/x line
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| 10:01 |
: Yellow Card for Muncy
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| 10:01 |
: That was mashed
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| 10:01 |
: HR for HR!
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| 10:01 |
: HE HIT THAT VERY FAR
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| 10:02 |
: That went….far.
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| 10:02 |
:
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| 10:03 |
: They must not have seen the graphic ten seconds earlier that already said how far it went
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| 10:03 |
: Will there be back to back homers? Zuni-NO
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| 10:04 |
Dan Szymborski: Don’t take Kwah’s job!
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| 10:04 |
: The ball doesn’t add 40 feet of carry. It was like 10 last year
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| 10:05 |
: Certainly not trying to take anything from Renfroe. That’s a jack with a tennis ball
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| 10:05 |
: Kiermaier always looks like he’s happy just being there.
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| 10:05 |
: Kwah can be dethroned, needs to defend the position
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| 10:05 |
: Who loses their mantle first, Kwah or Trout?
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| 10:06 |
: A K against KK.
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| 10:06 |
: I refer to his period as the best punster as Kwah-nce Upon A Time
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| 10:07 |
: Did Kwah ever really have a mantle?
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| 10:07 |
: Roberts taking his mask off to talk; I feel like he’s kind of missing the point of the mask…
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| 10:07 |
Dan Szymborski: Well, he’s missed the point at other occasions.
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| 10:09 |
: When talking about mantle, do we mean the garment or the portion of the hearth
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| 10:11 |
: When talking about mantle, we mean the region of the earth’s interior between the crust and the core.
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| 10:11 |
: The masonry is ‘mantel’.
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| 10:11 |
: For how long did Mantle wear the mantle?
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| 10:12 |
: MW has the masonry spelled in both ways.
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| 10:12 |
: Mantle options include clothing and Mickey
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| 10:12 |
: How odd is it gonna be in like 7 years when Trout is a .790 OPS LF and people are complaining about how overpaid he is and how his salary is holding the team back
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| 10:12 |
Dan Szymborski: Always gotta go full circle
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| 10:12 |
Dan Szymborski: When Trout’s 37 and sucks, he’ll probably be coming off 15 years of being underpaid!
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| 10:12 |
: Angels baseball
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| 10:13 |
: Feels good as the Dodgers to be in a spot where Castillo and Anderson aren’t enough to get thru the game
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| 10:13 |
: I think this is the right call for TB, but the flip side of gambling on this game is that if you lose… things get very dark from here
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| 10:14 |
: Dave, who are you going to trust, a dictionary or an internet rando?
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| 10:14 |
: 45 year old Mike Trout hitting .230/.245./510 as he tries to set the HR record under manager Albert Pujols
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| 10:14 |
: Going down 3-1, things will get dark regardless
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| 10:14 |
Dan Szymborski: Poor Trout. All the Angels have to do is build an 80 win team with Trout and they can’t even do that
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| 10:14 |
: 80 pitches tonight … how reasonable is Urias out of the pen in Game 6?
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| 10:14 |
Dan Szymborski: I think it’s a possibility
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| 10:14 |
: Well, things get very dark from here for Tampa if they lose regardless of what pitchers they use
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| 10:14 |
: I imagine Smotz is probably using air quotes to talk about the Rays’ bullpen management. They make their decisions using…”Science”
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| 10:15 |
: Tbh none of the Tampa 3 headed monster has looked unhittable in this series. A lot was made of Jansen but their guys are also worn down
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| 10:15 |
Dan Szymborski: Rays just gotta win this game and THEN worry about tomorrow
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| 10:15 |
: Managers mostly still managing like this was a normal postseason
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| 10:15 |
: Besides using the fifth starter
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| 10:16 |
: And using the best guys a bit more often like Treinen 3 in a row
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| 10:16 |
Dan Szymborski: If Rays win, ZiPS has them at 51% to win the Series. If Rays lose, 13%.\
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| 10:17 |
: How long do you think before national announcing starts using more analytically friendly language? Or even just language that isn’t intentionally strawman-ing analytics?
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| 10:17 |
: Wait the Rays are favored if they win today?
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| 10:17 |
: They’ll always be playing catchup to some degree
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| 10:17 |
Dan Szymborski: In ZiPS at least because Rays have Game 6 advantage in ZiPS
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| 10:17 |
: Zips likes the rays in this series so much more than every other system
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| 10:17 |
: Rays slight favorites if they win tonight because of how the starting pitching lines up?
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| 10:18 |
Dan Szymborski: Pretty much
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| 10:18 |
Dan Szymborski: Though starting changes may change things
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| 10:18 |
: Was Bellinger literally swinging with his eyes closed there? Looked like it on the replay
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| 10:19 |
: Does ZIPS take into account projected tackles by Adames?
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| 10:19 |
: Joe Davis is really great at using analytics in a casual-friendly way. Hoping he becomes the top baseball guy (and the Dodgers get to hold onto him)
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| 10:20 |
: Aaron Loup is warming up
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| 10:20 |
Dan Szymborski: WIN ONE FOR THE LOOPER
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| 10:20 |
: Just let Benetti announce everything
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| 10:20 |
: Yeah Joe Davis is excellent, he gives me hope
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| 10:21 |
Dan Szymborski: Poor Pollock. pollock is literally what you get if you can’t get trout
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| 10:21 |
: Saw Benetti at a FanGraphs event. He could do standup.
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| 10:21 |
: That walk by Pollock was a piece of art.
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| 10:22 |
: For me it’s less about using analytics and more about not-intentionally disparaging them at moments that make no sense. Or trying to explain why the Rays are using Castillo in the 6th when they have done this all year
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| 10:22 |
: I’m not sure a funny at a fangraphs event is determinative of who could be a comic
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| 10:22 |
: I see what you did there Dan and I salute the fish pun.
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| 10:22 |
: Still delicious
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| 10:23 |
: Joc vs. Loup or Hernandez vs. Castillo?
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| 10:24 |
: I’d prefer Kiké vs Castillo
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| 10:24 |
: Dodgers so good at making sure you work and getting multiple innings from a reliever is difficult even if they don’t get anything
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| 10:24 |
: I think TB prefers Castillo
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| 10:25 |
Dan Szymborski: The worst pollock recipe of all time is prepared by
killing, gutting and cleaning one kind of fish, boiling it with corn, and leaving it to ferment in a vinegar and sugar brine for a few days. The fish becomes completely fermented, with the soles of the dead and skinned legs and eyes still in the brine, it is then cooked in hot butter. It is unclear which part of this recipe is the worst, cooking a fish in butter, or preparing the fish in brine. Another popular Pollock recipe was described by Edward L. Pulman in the “New England Almanac and Farmers’ Register” in 1922: Pollock are highly inedible. They are sweet, but not tasty. When picked clean, only the heads have meat. The rest of the body is not much good. You will probably not find them as good for frying, as cod, as there is not much fat on them, and the bones may give you too many problems. For frying, they are not great. |
| 10:25 |
: Dan, don’t take Kwah’s job!
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| 10:25 |
: If I were LA I would send out Joc and see if TB would take Castillo out
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| 10:25 |
: Joc vs a lefty specialist is just awful for LAD though, it’s conceding the inning to burn the pitcher
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| 10:26 |
: I have to imagine Roberts thinks there will be a more high leverage chance for Joc later, right? Otherwise Joc would make sense to pinch hit for Taylor?
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| 10:26 |
: Get to ruin Castillo for tomorrow too
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| 10:26 |
: YES
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| 10:26 |
: 103.4 on Taylor line drive
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| 10:26 |
: It worked!
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| 10:26 |
: Remember that accent, fellas
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| 10:26 |
: EnRBIque Hernandez.
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| 10:26 |
: Insurance!
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| 10:26 |
: Happy GEICOween
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| 10:27 |
Dan Szymborski: Sean Forman had to change Youkilis’s BR ID when he was a rookie because the standard formula of Five Letters of Last Name Plus Two Letters of First Name was unintentionally bad.
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| 10:27 |
: What is the Dodgers’ championship probability right now?
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| 10:27 |
Dan Szymborski: Good!
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| 10:27 |
: Next year will the Rays be playing in the Aroz-Arena?
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| 10:27 |
Dan Szymborski: The Goya Arroz Arena
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| 10:28 |
: Why did the boil the pollock with corn?
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| 10:28 |
Dan Szymborski: Neural network!
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| 10:28 |
: Well, the Dodgers have an even lead now.
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| 10:29 |
: After this, should I have my bourbon while watching Mad Men and pretending to be Don Draper or while watching Brockmire?
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| 10:29 |
: No horse tranquilizer available for watching Brockmire?
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| 10:29 |
: Mookie Betts just became the leader in DLTs!
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| 10:29 |
: Glad I don’t have to listen to ARod talk about the oddness or evenness of a lead
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| 10:30 |
Dan Szymborski: If Dodgers are 80% to win
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| 10:30 |
Dan Szymborski: Then they’d be like 80/20 to win Series in ZiPS
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| 10:31 |
: Who’s the leader in McDLTs?
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| 10:31 |
Dan Szymborski:
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| 10:32 |
: A system that had them 80% entering the game would be like 87-90 by now I imagine since those will probably have them low 90s if they win the game
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| 10:33 |
: Man Arozarena is just insane right now
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| 10:33 |
: It’s sad you had that commercial somewhere in your head Dan..
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| 10:34 |
Dan Szymborski: Don’t you mean RAD?
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| 10:34 |
: Jason Alexander looks very different pre-Seinfeld
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| 10:34 |
: put on your Members Only jacket if you want to roll like that
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| 10:35 |
: We could be witnessing a RanDavid AFreesezarena 2011 phenomenon.
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| 10:35 |
: Any 2021162 game projections for Arozarena?
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| 10:35 |
Dan Szymborski: 2 million games, he’d crush Aaron
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| 10:35 |
: I’m just glad someone else here remembers the McDLT.
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| 10:35 |
: I’m out of the loop. Is your picture one of those like aged photos of yourself?
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| 10:35 |
Dan Szymborski: Yeah
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| 10:36 |
Dan Szymborski: 
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| 10:36 |
: I heard cheering in the other room what did I miss? I’m busy pouring myself a scotch
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| 10:36 |
Dan Szymborski: They were cheering the McDLT
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| 10:36 |
Dan Szymborski: The lettuce stays cool and crisp!
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| 10:36 |
: Can Arozarena win the MVP while losing?
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| 10:37 |
Dan Szymborski: Bobby Richardson was the 1960 WS MVP
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| 10:37 |
: Ayn Randy Arozarena likes capitalism
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| 10:37 |
Dan Szymborski: So does Dan!
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| 10:37 |
: The Yankees haven’t done so well in the postseason since they traded Costanza.
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| 10:37 |
: I didn’t realize the 2020 World Series was the Dodgers v. Randy Arozarena
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| 10:37 |
: surprisingly fair fight
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| 10:38 |
Dan Szymborski: I love how you can tell exactly when Smoltz is fed a stat by the producer
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| 10:39 |
: they should put up giant nets in the outfield that are in play, like arena football had for FGs and kickoffs
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| 10:39 |
: Ayn Rand wasn’t a capitalist. She was just a terrible, terrible writer
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| 10:39 |
Dan Szymborski: Yes.
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| 10:40 |
Dan Szymborski: Rand’s characters were on Star Wars Episode II level
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| 10:40 |
: For some reason I’m surprised Mark Prior is a pitching coach every time he comes to the mound.
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| 10:40 |
: Bring me in for a 12 out save I got this
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| 10:40 |
Dan Szymborski: Kenley Jansen for a 12 out save won’t be a save for all 12 outs!
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| 10:41 |
: I don’t mind Baez as a reliever but I think going to an extreme flyball pitcher with 2 men in base is patent idiocy
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| 10:41 |
: I’d have agreed ten years ago
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| 10:42 |
: I don’t think you can plan around particular batted balls as much now
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| 10:42 |
: Rand’s characters were on Star Wars Episode II level. Did you mean Star Wars Episode VIII level? Because that entire movie forgot what a plot was
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| 10:42 |
Dan Szymborski: VIII >>> II
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| 10:43 |
: Treinen didn’t look sharp that inning.
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| 10:43 |
: Baez always seems much more effective when he gets a clean inning. They have a whole bullpen full of sinker ballers including left handed ones
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| 10:43 |
: Austin Meadows is constantly trying to make the Pirates feel a bit better.
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| 10:43 |
Dan Szymborski: Well, it’s nice he’s doing that because the Pirates aren’t trying
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| 10:43 |
: “I didn’t ruin Star Wars!!” Slithers away and speaks on moneytongue
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| 10:44 |
Dan Szymborski: Like 5.5 of the Star Wars movies aren’t very good
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| 10:44 |
: I have returned from my canine maintenance walk.
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| 10:44 |
: Me too, incidentally
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| 10:44 |
: How much will I pay Randy in arbitration?
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| 10:44 |
: I suspect that one way or the other we’ll never get a real answer
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| 10:44 |
: The Last Jedi is the best of the non-original movies
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| 10:45 |
: The Baez playoff narrative is like the Kershaw playoff narrative but without the hof career
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| 10:45 |
: dave is right
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| 10:45 |
: Dave is wrong
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| 10:45 |
Dan Szymborski: I shoudln’t have started this! lol
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| 10:46 |
: Holy expletive.
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| 10:46 |
: You were saying about fly balls…
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| 10:47 |
: SWEAR WORD
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| 10:47 |
: Fortunately -1 is an odd number.
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| 10:47 |
: Full stop never, ever do it, it is wrong
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| 10:47 |
Dan Szymborski: And just like that, it’s like 55-45 Rays in ZiPS
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| 10:48 |
Dan Szymborski: that swing was like 0.25 World Serii
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| 10:48 |
: ”I’m a fly ball pitcher”
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| 10:48 |
: MVP Lowe
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| 10:49 |
: Not the most important thing, but Baez followed up that HR by throwing the next pitch like 40 feet. The shortest pitch I’ve ever seen.
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| 10:49 |
Dan Szymborski: OK Low, you can be Lau again.
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| 10:49 |
: Two things need to happen if the Dodgers lose this world series. Dave Roberts needs to lose his job and I need to stop following baseball.
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| 10:49 |
: Neither of those things will happen, you know this
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| 10:49 |
: No man makes the same mistake more times in a row than Dave Roberts
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| 10:49 |
: Rays radio talking about Snell as an option tonight. Think he’s realistic?
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| 10:50 |
Dan Szymborski: I think you need a crazy high-leverage situation for that to happen
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| 10:51 |
: Wish I could have seen the roid era with these balls, while teams were secretly banging on trash cans so Bonds et al knew what was coming. That’d be entertainment.
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| 10:51 |
: Can we do a poll of the best manager in baseball, because my vote is for Craig Counsell
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| 10:52 |
: That reaction by Renfroe – so insightful
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| 10:52 |
: After the NLCS, which felt like a lot of balls in play, this series has felt nearly all TTO
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| 10:53 |
: It is what it is for this WS, but I’d pretty disappointed if we’re doing the four HR/g thing in 2021
|
| 10:53 |
Dan Szymborski:
WHO IS THE BEST MANAGER EVER?
Dave Roberts (30.1% | 16 votes)
Brad Ausmus (7.5% | 4 votes)
Ray Miller (3.7% | 2 votes)
Russ Nixon (5.6% | 3 votes)
Tony Pena (1.8% | 1 vote)
Walt Weiss (9.4% | 5 votes)
Davey Lopes (5.6% | 3 votes)
Tony Muser (1.8% | 1 vote)
Alan Trammell (1.8% | 1 vote)
Mike Matheny (32.0% | 17 votes)
Total Votes: 53
|
| 10:53 |
: That was the first lead change of the World Series
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| 10:53 |
: “I am baseball player”
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| 10:54 |
: I know it is a joke, but really?
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| 10:54 |
Dan Szymborski: Polls are more fun if they’re amusing
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| 10:54 |
: Best managers ever were Sam Miller and Ben Lindbergh, but you Fangraphs folk aren’t ready for that conversation.
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| 10:54 |
: I don’t know any universe in which Tony Muser isn’t the best manager
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| 10:55 |
: I want someone to vote Mike Matheny ironically
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| 10:55 |
Dan Szymborski: Matheny’s literally one of the elite in this poll!
|
| 10:55 |
: Nick Anderson is warming up
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| 10:55 |
: Sam and Ben weren’t managers, they were the GMs
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| 10:56 |
: Smoltz with the “Urias was dominating” revisionism
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| 10:56 |
Dan Szymborski: A happy ending depends on where you stop the story
|
| 10:57 |
: I’m surprised that Ned Yost wasn’t on that poll list, but I guess a World Series ring takes you off it.
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| 10:57 |
: So there’s a reason why Cash spams the big three…
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| 10:57 |
Dan Szymborski: Didn’t want to make it TOO easy
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| 10:57 |
: Ugh, Mike Matheny got himself thrown out of a game on his birthday because he was late for his reservation at red lobster. Mike Matheny (@RealMikeMatheny) Tweeted: I knew it was a ball the whole time, but I had an 8:30 reservation and a basket of Cheddar Bay Biscuits with my name on them #ballsandstrikes @redlobster https://twitter.com/RealMikeMatheny/status/1308586414334976001?s=20 |
| 10:57 |
Dan Szymborski: those biscuits ARE good!
|
| 10:58 |
: How can smoltz sound bored saying “this is an incredible game”?
|
| 10:58 |
: I know that Mike Matheny tweet is factually accurate because I wrote it
|
| 10:58 |
: I wish Dave Stewart had made himself both GM and field manager at the same time
|
| 10:58 |
Dan Szymborski: and pitcher
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| 10:58 |
: Anderson has been fairly mortal recently as well
|
| 10:58 |
: I had to go non-dairy a whole ago and cheesy red lobster biscuits were a big loss
|
| 10:59 |
Dan Szymborski: I have eaten an unhealthy number of Hershey’s Miniatures during this game
|
| 10:59 |
: I have no idea how to embed a tweet in the chat
|
| 10:59 |
Dan Szymborski: I forget
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| 10:59 |
: Great. Now I want Hershey’s Minis.
|
| 10:59 |
Dan Szymborski: It seems weird that they still only have the 4 flavors
|
| 11:00 |
Dan Szymborski: when they have way more bars
|
| 11:00 |
Dan Szymborski: why not the cookies ‘n’ cream ones?
|
| 11:00 |
: Other than Krackle, is there a single Hershey’s Miniture that’s above replacement level?
|
| 11:00 |
Dan Szymborski: I like the dark
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| 11:00 |
: The best part is that you did it earlier with Old Dan Szymborski
|
| 11:00 |
Dan Szymborski: In that case, it was in image
|
| 11:01 |
: Just link to the tweet. Everyone here clearly knows how to use the internet.
|
| 11:01 |
: Pro tip: just splurge for the toblerone minis
|
| 11:01 |
: As long as it’s not A Butterfinger..
|
| 11:01 |
Dan Szymborski:
|
| 11:02 |
: Old Dan likes Hard Candy that makes a racket when you unwrap it
|
| 11:02 |
: I haven’t seen a Max get Louped that bad since Imperator Furiosa’s convoy got surrounded by Immortan Joe’s henchmen.
|
| 11:03 |
: Mr. Goodbar is below replacement level. Hershey’s Milk Chocolate is at replacement level. Special Dark has weird platoon splits.
|
| 11:03 |
: Dodgers’ hitters are not helping Roberts
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| 11:03 |
: Awesome Mad Max reference with a Max Muncy strikeout, Kwah
|
| 11:03 |
Dan Szymborski: I just unbent my knee after it was bent for like all 3 hours of the game and now my leg no longer works.
|
| 11:04 |
: 2 ks on 6 pitches as soon as they had a threat, what an awful time to forget you have plate discipline
|
| 11:04 |
: Kwah, good job doing your job.
|
| 11:04 |
: Dan has just dicovered he’s old
|
| 11:04 |
: remember taht question abotu a higher leverage spot for pederson?
|
| 11:04 |
: Astute
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| 11:04 |
Dan Szymborski: I’m Middle Age Dan Szymborski!
|
| 11:05 |
: And now we have Joc swinging at ball
|
| 11:05 |
: Really has been a crappy couple at-bats
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| 11:05 |
: Zunino is good at blocking wow
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| 11:05 |
: Middle age is a term made up by newly old people to avoid being called old
|
| 11:05 |
Dan Szymborski: Hey, I’m still hoping to live 40 more years!
|
| 11:06 |
: I’m going to date myself again and mention Wade Boggs’ at bat in game 4 ’98 WS
|
| 11:06 |
Dan Szymborski: and to plague you all for most if not all of those
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| 11:06 |
: Sorry 96
|
| 11:06 |
: Dating yourself further
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| 11:06 |
: Are barrels actually overrated? My gut feeling is that they are underrated. There certainly have been a few barrels this game.
|
| 11:06 |
: Intentional walks to load the bases scare the hell out of me
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| 11:06 |
Dan Szymborski: Barrels are the best place to make liquor!
|
| 11:07 |
Dan Szymborski: I once tried to age whiskey in a cleaned out laundry detergent container. It didn’t really work
|
| 11:07 |
: I like to date myself. Somebody has to date me, right?
|
| 11:07 |
: JOCTOBER
|
| 11:07 |
: That was SO CLOSE to being an incredible play by Lowe
|
| 11:07 |
: Wow!
|
| 11:07 |
: YES
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| 11:07 |
: Agonizing
|
| 11:07 |
: Did the second run score?
|
| 11:07 |
: Apparently yes
|
| 11:07 |
: If that had been caught, would that have stopped everyone from ever complaining about the shift?
|
| 11:08 |
: lol no
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| 11:08 |
: tbh, not sure the shift really does that much
|
| 11:08 |
: The World Series might have come off Lowe’s glove there.
|
| 11:08 |
Dan Szymborski: The HR is still enough that he can stay lau again, but he’s gotta do something else good
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| 11:08 |
: I yelled and I think scared my roommate when that nicked off Lowe’s glove
|
| 11:08 |
: That play was wild and made me forget my frustration at Joc not getting hit by ball 2
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| 11:08 |
: Brandon Lowe needed to be more Highe on that play.
|
| 11:09 |
Dan Szymborski: When Brandon Lowe smokes weed, does he get how?
|
| 11:09 |
: He would mispronounce Highe as How.
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| 11:09 |
: That’s odd. Loading the bases usually works out so well.
|
| 11:10 |
Dan Szymborski:
Pedro Baez lined up for the W, obviously.
|
| 11:10 |
: LHH shift is net positive. RHH shift is unclear
|
| 11:10 |
: fangraphs readers/writers are an entertaining corner of the internet
|
| 11:10 |
: I’m a little surprised Manfred hasn’t outlawed shifts yet
|
| 11:10 |
: If that 96% hit probability line drive had been caught then I would’ve quit my job to lobby for banning the shift and I really like the shift |
| 11:10 |
: Actually loading the bases there allowed them to throw out Bellinger to end the inning!
|
| 11:11 |
: My son had a teacher named Bosom who mispronounced her name for good reason.
|
| 11:11 |
: This is probably sacrilege in these parts, but I’d support a ban of the shift
|
| 11:11 |
: Another blown lead. My type of game.
|
| 11:11 |
: “Hi, I just shifted”
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| 11:11 |
Dan Szymborski: <cries after hearing that and runs to his room>
|
| 11:11 |
: Bellinger’s horrible base running is gonna be forgotten lol
|
| 11:11 |
: As was Juan Soto’s last season
|
| 11:12 |
: How *exactly* do you ban the shift? I’ve never heard of a decent rule proposal
|
| 11:12 |
Dan Szymborski: If Baez blows this lead, I’d be cool with giving him two losses for the game
|
| 11:12 |
: Dan, do you still have your swan/duck game thing with Grisham in right?
|
| 11:13 |
: Isn’t it just two infielders on either side of second base?
|
| 11:13 |
Dan Szymborski: I don’t think I had it for Grisham
|
| 11:13 |
Dan Szymborski: 
|
| 11:14 |
: If you’re serious about banning shifts, don’t you also have to limit how deep the infielders can play?
|
| 11:14 |
: You probably do
|
| 11:14 |
: Baez is no longer in line for the win
|
| 11:14 |
: Pour one out for the beat writers
|
| 11:15 |
Dan Szymborski: 
|
| 11:15 |
: Seems Pedro Baez could have used this effective changeup last inning
|
| 11:16 |
: Baez won’t be a Dodger after this season ends but Roberts will still find a way to bring him in to give up a backbreaking dinger in the 2022 playoffs
|
| 11:16 |
: If I’m writing for this, I’m rooting for Rays. ‘Roberts screwed up again’ is a better narrative than ‘Dodgers win despite all the screw-ups’.
|
| 11:17 |
Dan Szymborski:
A live look at Pedro Baez.
 |
| 11:17 |
: Did Dave Roberts fall asleep in the Dodgers dougout?
|
| 11:17 |
Dan Szymborski: If they stick with Baez and get the lead back, maybe they could get him a -1 WPA game!
|
| 11:17 |
: Every time they show Roberts he seems to be shaking his head in disbelief at the coaching decisions the Dodgers are making.
|
| 11:18 |
Dan Szymborski: IF ONLY DAVE ROBERTS COULD MAKE THE DECISIONS!
|
| 11:18 |
: is there any way a pinch hitter would ever win ws mvp
|
| 11:18 |
: Maybe if they hit for Dave Roberts?
|
| 11:18 |
: Neutral fans, how good is this game?
|
| 11:18 |
Dan Szymborski: It’s become really good!
|
| 11:19 |
: Does Andrew Friedman just take over in the dugout by 9th?
|
| 11:19 |
Dan Szymborski: It’d be fun to see a manager fired in-game
|
| 11:19 |
Dan Szymborski: Coming back from an inning, you see Roberts walking out of Globe Life with a cardboard box full of his stuff
|
| 11:20 |
: I was hoping not to need this excellent photoshop again.
@cdgoldstein I really did this
 |
| 11:20 |
: Cool, now Baez can start the 8th.
|
| 11:22 |
: I hope the US commercials are good. Here in Canada we keep having to watch a guy laying on his back blowing leaves out from underneath his deck for some reason.
|
| 11:22 |
: Bring in Kershaw
|
| 11:22 |
: I know this might be a hot take considering how Roberts is getting piled on here, but I don’t think he has been the cause for this game being tied…
|
| 11:22 |
: At this rate Joe Kelly will pitch the 8th
|
| 11:22 |
: If Baez comes out for the 8th against Choi, Friedman should take over
|
| 11:22 |
: I barely remember who the starting pitchers were, this game is wild.
|
| 11:22 |
: Randy Arozarinningendingdoubleplay.
|
| 11:22 |
: What a game! (seriously)
|
| 11:22 |
: @whoever was slandering the shift a couple minutes ago
|
| 11:23 |
: Here in the US, they keep repeating the same 7 very bad commercials.
|
| 11:23 |
: anybody old enough to remember MLB.tv’s “mini soda twins” commercial?
|
| 11:24 |
: Roberts is an experiment in whether you can win a world series and get fired at the same time
|
| 11:24 |
: I have every single one of these ads memorized line by line. Not sure if that says more about me or ad spending.
|
| 11:24 |
Dan Szymborski: HIS FATHER IS THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY!
|
| 11:24 |
: MINI SODA??
|
| 11:24 |
: Didn’t we establish earlier that the median age in this chat is significantly older than Brendan?
|
| 11:25 |
: I am very bad at recognizing what a check swing is
|
| 11:25 |
: Does this game call for a second scotch or a second beer? I plan on watching to the conclusion if that makes a difference
|
| 11:25 |
: TAYLOR
|
| 11:25 |
Dan Szymborski: You shoudl follow your heart..err…live
|
| 11:25 |
Dan Szymborski: r
|
| 11:25 |
: BARRELS ARE OVERRATED
|
| 11:26 |
: Good call [gets second beer]
|
| 11:26 |
: Smoltz just made a better pun than Kwah ever has
|
| 11:26 |
: Chris Twobagslor.
|
| 11:26 |
: I CAN’T DECIDE THAT’S WHY I ASKED!
|
| 11:26 |
Dan Szymborski: then you have to drink both
|
| 11:27 |
Dan Szymborski: It’d be funny if Smoltz didn’t even realize he made the pun
|
| 11:27 |
: smoltz just said it was a tailor made swing .. he is coming for you kwah
|
| 11:27 |
: I’m drinking whiskey, you should too
|
| 11:27 |
: So Anderson has had a handful of outings in a row where he has gotten whacked
|
| 11:27 |
: “Hendriks’ era was so low, it was practically down under!”
|
| 11:27 |
: The relievers steadily growing more vulnerable is a pleasant development
|
| 11:28 |
: We’re now in this odd spot where the game is tied and the Dodgers have their better relievers left and the Rays do not
|
| 11:28 |
: Oh hey bunts
|
| 11:28 |
: How do you not take it off when the first baseman is standing 45 feet away
|
| 11:28 |
: I picked the wrong day to stop drinking
|
| 11:28 |
Dan Szymborski: Did Buck call Sherriff a righty or did I mishear?
|
| 11:28 |
: Oh no you idiot
|
| 11:29 |
: I pick the wrong day to stop sniffing glue
|
| 11:29 |
: Glasnow is throwing in the bullpen. what are the chances he comes in?
|
| 11:29 |
: Betts cleverly makes an out so the Dodgers can score now.
|
| 11:29 |
: Someone has to…
|
| 11:30 |
: Just eat the glue. Been working for me
|
| 11:31 |
: “Ms. Hoover I ate my glue stick “
|
| 11:31 |
: Seager can just re-tie Arozarena here I wouldn’t mind
|
| 11:31 |
: Seager hits a HR but LAD has to throw Baez for all three outs in the 8th, who says no?
|
| 11:31 |
: I’d be in favor
|
| 11:31 |
: of outlawing cheat sheets
|
| 11:31 |
: 100%
|
| 11:33 |
: Well, then there will be more delays, because those cheat sheets have whatever sign systems they’re using.
|
| 11:33 |
: pitch clocks
|
| 11:33 |
: The Masters banned green reading books. Similar issue.
|
| 11:33 |
: Aren’t cheat sheets good for Fangraphs traffic?
|
| 11:33 |
: — resigns —
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| 11:34 |
: BARRELS ARE OVERRATED
|
| 11:34 |
: Goodness, what a game
|
| 11:34 |
: Why don’t they play the whole game with 2 outs
|
| 11:34 |
: Don’t give Rob ideas
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| 11:35 |
: ….so who is up for more Baez?
|
| 11:36 |
: See, barrels ARE overrated
|
| 11:36 |
: first 64 half innings: 0 lead changes last 4 half innings: 4 lead changes |
| 11:36 |
: The real problem is that none of these pitches are *firm* enough
|
| 11:36 |
: Also, this chat is hopping tonight, we have no chance to hit every message. Thank you all for coming and hanging out!
|
| 11:36 |
: This is why live sporting events are the greatest
|
| 11:36 |
: Hot take: barrels are properly rateed
|
| 11:36 |
: folks, Baez is back in line for the win
|
| 11:36 |
: ”I believe I can get to 3 losses in a single game”
|
| 11:37 |
: Brendan, we’ll wait while you get to all the messages. We don’t mind
|
| 11:38 |
: Only… 578 and counting to go
|
| 11:38 |
: Dodgers have 3 lefty relievers and have the Rays locked into their left handed platoon hitters in the lineup. That’s fun
|
| 11:39 |
: I have no dog in this fight but I want the Rays to win this game, better chance at 7 games and lord knows when we’ll see baseball again after that
|
| 11:39 |
: KBO still rolling along
|
| 11:40 |
: hot take – Dodgers have terrible beards
|
| 11:41 |
: Korea deserves sports, we do not
|
| 11:41 |
: Dave, you probably deserve them. Whether America does…
|
| 11:41 |
: How many chatters do we have tonight?
|
| 11:41 |
: Up to 179
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| 11:42 |
: The Turner Game of Thrones beard is great. Many of the other beards are below average
|
| 11:42 |
: Getting cold in Korea. all the playoffs will be in a dome.
|
| 11:42 |
Dan Szymborski: 
|
| 11:42 |
: Ban the shift
|
| 11:42 |
: That’s the spirit
|
| 11:42 |
: I have to say, I’m amazed MLB made this far, given how it started (or not started)
|
| 11:42 |
: When you just play through the COVID all things are possible
|
| 11:42 |
: The Folgers commercials are pretty funny
|
| 11:43 |
: People think Turner’s beard is good, the same way people think an actor putting on 80 lbs for a role is good acting
|
| 11:44 |
: I have a legitimate question. How far are you supposed to be able to drive that all electric Hummer? It can’t go more than like 75 miles right?
|
| 11:44 |
: Do people think Turner’s beard is good? If anything it’s kind of gross
|
| 11:44 |
: kdl just salty they can’t grow a beard
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| 11:44 |
: Choleric looks pretty friendly, actually
|
| 11:44 |
: Here in Canada they cut to the Canadian studio in between innings. So I get to see Justin Morneau providing studio commentary from his house, with what appears to be a child’s drawing of a sheep-person over his shoulder. Which is cute and nice, and also very 2020.
|
| 11:45 |
: Just what they were looking for: left-on-left matchup to throw a four-pitch walk
|
| 11:45 |
: Great question Morbo. I’d never drive that truck in a salt flat in the middle of nowhere
|
| 11:45 |
Dan Szymborski: YOU HAD ONE JOB KOLAREK
|
| 11:45 |
: ”I wouldn’t have walked him on 4 pitches”
|
| 11:45 |
: I have a great beard. My nickname in grad school was Beard.
|
| 11:47 |
: That sounds like a made up nickname. They type of nickname someone who can’t grow a beard would make for themselves
|
| 11:47 |
: Why do the broadcasters get so hung up on defending their (lame) arguments like Adames position guarding Taylor preventing him from catching Seagers bloop single?
|
| 11:48 |
: Old ballplayer in Smoltz coming out
|
| 11:48 |
: Aren’t all nicknames made up?
|
| 11:48 |
Dan Szymborski: 
|
| 11:48 |
: Smoltz being Smoltz?
|
| 11:48 |
: Everything is made up on some level
|
| 11:48 |
: John Curtiss looks like a 15-year-old dressed up as Justin Verlander for Halloween.
|
| 11:49 |
: Is Jansen going to pitch the 9th if its still one run up?
|
| 11:50 |
: Oh, sorry, we using nicknames? is “Gator” going to pitch the 9th?
|
| 11:50 |
: I assume so…
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| 11:51 |
: I don’t think it’ll be Alex Wood
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| 11:51 |
: Dan, my favorite one of those was the Andrew Miller one, “Meth Machine” I almost fell off my chair laughing when I read it
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| 11:51 |
: Baez has been Chock Full of Bats tonight
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| 11:51 |
: Brusdar looks like a cartoon dinosaur
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| 11:52 |
: If we’re voting I think Dan should do the chats for the rest of the WS
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| 11:52 |
: Who came in to run for Blue Kitten?
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| 11:52 |
: The Gray Crab
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| 11:53 |
: I want a Meg and Eric chat
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| 11:53 |
: Can Meg do a chat? She’s nice.
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| 11:53 |
: Brendan I don’t know you but you seem cool so you should join Dan
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| 11:53 |
: Nice to meet you, Geebs
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| 11:53 |
: Is Arozarena a top 15 player after this postseason?
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| 11:54 |
Dan Szymborski: The tentative schedule is David Laurila and me tomorrow, Paul and Tony on a possible Game 6, and Meg and Ben on a possible Game 7
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| 11:54 |
Dan Szymborski: You would get really tired of me quickly if I did every game.
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| 11:54 |
: I don’t think so on Randy
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| 11:54 |
: meg is also a great baseball mind!
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| 11:54 |
: The Gray Crab in to pinch run
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| 11:54 |
: Roberts is going to bring back Baez in a fake mustache for the 9th.
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| 11:54 |
Dan Szymborski: It’s not like the Rays would object
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| 11:55 |
: yeah, no need for subterfuge
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| 11:56 |
: Technically speaking… would the umpire say no if Baez came back out? Or would Cash need to object?
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| 11:56 |
: I… have no idea.
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| 11:57 |
: Manfred is having daily panic attacks about the length of these postseason games.
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| 11:57 |
: Meanwhile, Dave Stewart has taken to Twitter again:
This is one of the worse managed WS ever! Pitching is bad, hitting is bad, except when the pitchers make mistakes in the middle of the zone. Oh Shit, that’s every other pitch!
 Thank God tomorrow is football Sunday 🏿🏿🏿 |
| 11:59 |
Dan Szymborski: Please Smoltz, talk about how versatile Renfroe is because he can play first *and* outfield
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| 11:59 |
: Why do these old players always wanna shit on current players? Like so they keep feeling they were the special ones or what?
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| 11:59 |
: That is exactly what they think
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| 12:00 |
Dan Szymborski: In 15 years I’m gonna be talking about how much analysts suck today
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| 12:01 |
: Wow, Jotcast, I don’t need you informing me it’s now Sunday. Stupid pace of play.
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| 12:02 |
: I feel personally attacked by that Sunday notification
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| 12:02 |
: Dan Selfawarenesski.
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| 12:04 |
: 30 outs away…
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| 12:04 |
: Dan, gonna be like, “If only I had programmed zips in python it wouldn’t be a sentient Excel spreadsheet bent on enslaving humanity without the necessary I/o to succeed. These kids today can’t even make a decent malevolent AI!”
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| 12:04 |
: I don’t know what insurance is, but they sure advertise the hell out it
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| 12:05 |
: I don’t care what happens, I just want Arozarena to have one more AB
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| 12:05 |
: 2 pitches in and Kenley is both wild and slow
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| 12:05 |
: Oh wow going to Jansen instead of sticking with Graterol, I have a feeling pundits are going to go wild over this move regardless of outcome
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| 12:06 |
: Walk the lead off batter?
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| 12:06 |
: what could go wrong?
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| 12:06 |
: Why not leave Graterol in here?
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| 12:06 |
: it’s my birthday. jotcast noticed.
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| 12:06 |
: “If he can prove himself the dodgers will have a major asset in their bullpen”
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| 12:06 |
: Closers gonna close
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| 12:07 |
Dan Szymborski: 
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| 12:07 |
: This game needs Randy up with two outs
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| 12:08 |
: Not peak-Kenley but not far off
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| 12:08 |
: Kiermaier should just carry that bat handle around the bases.
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| 12:08 |
: Thank you for your service, Kiermeier’s shattered bat. Your sacrifice was not in vain.
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| 12:08 |
: we’ll have to see about that
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| 12:09 |
: 2 ball, anticlimactic Arozarena left on deck
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| 12:09 |
: Do cricketers have to run with their bat?
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| 12:09 |
: they do
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| 12:10 |
: cricketers also use their bat to be safe
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| 12:11 |
: I mean, he hits a HR here, he wins the MVP regardless
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| 12:11 |
: Before the game ends, just wanted to say how fun it is chatting and watching. Thanks Dan & Brendan
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| 12:11 |
: Been a pleasure, thank you all for sticking around
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| 12:11 |
: I just might walk him here
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| 12:11 |
: I feel like Dave Roberts knows more than he should about cricket and not enough about baseball
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| 12:11 |
: Bring in Kershaw
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| 12:11 |
: Feel like you go after Barrel Hands here. He’s still going to get out the majority of the time
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| 12:12 |
: This at-bat makes me randy
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| 12:12 |
: “Maybe if we all stand out here on the mound long enough the umpires will call the game and we won’t have to pitch to him.”
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| 12:13 |
: Baez has spent his career killing batters of old age, so that’s not totally off base
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| 12:14 |
: Pitch around him, sure, but no IBB here
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| 12:14 |
: Doesn’t Jansen usually throws only outside against RHP??
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| 12:14 |
: Kenley living dangerously
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| 12:14 |
: This may be the series
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| 12:14 |
: This is great
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| 12:15 |
: Cutter back up to 92 mph
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| 12:15 |
: Great take from Arozarena
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| 12:15 |
: 94 is as fast as Kenley has been all year
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| 12:15 |
: Kenley Jansen is a Dutch Master; sounds good, but it’s always more dry and shaky than the other, better options you could be using to enjoy a victory after midnight.
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| 12:16 |
: Which team luckier that went foul?
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| 12:17 |
: And it all comes down to Brett Phillips, as predicted.
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| 12:17 |
: Is The Gray Crab good?
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| 12:17 |
: Brett Phillips, huh
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| 12:17 |
: Thanks for the chat Dan and Brendan
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| 12:17 |
Dan Szymborski: IT NOT OVER
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| 12:18 |
: This would be a great somewhat random player having a moment situation
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| 12:18 |
: Now I’m having 2001 WS G7 flashbacks
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| 12:18 |
: KenLVIIIfooter Jansen.
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| 12:18 |
: Where’s Francisco Cabrera when you need him?
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| 12:18 |
: Brett Phillips here is not what you want
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| 12:18 |
: Depends on your rooting interest
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| 12:19 |
: Oof, ball 2
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| 12:19 |
: what in the world…
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| 12:20 |
: what?
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| 12:20 |
: WHAT AN ENDING
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| 12:20 |
: Wow.
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| 12:20 |
: Thanks for the chat Dan and Brendan 2.0
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| 12:20 |
: OH MY GOD
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| 12:20 |
: LETS GOOOOO
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| 12:20 |
: WHAT
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| 12:20 |
: WHAT IN THE HELL
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| 12:20 |
: OMGGGG
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| 12:20 |
: Literally what in the world.
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| 12:20 |
: I hate this game
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| 12:20 |
: What a classic, says the neutral fan,
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| 12:20 |
: Brett Phillips, Randy Arozarena stan, ties up the series
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| 12:20 |
Dan Szymborski: OK, that was something
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| 12:20 |
: Phillips got a cookie there…
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| 12:20 |
: That was not well executed defensively
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| 12:21 |
Dan Szymborski: Thanks for coming to chat with us everyone!
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| 12:21 |
: He even fell down!!!
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| 12:21 |
: EVERYBODY PANIC!!!!
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| 12:21 |
: The ball suddenly had that IT HAPPENS EVERY SPRING substance on it. For this one play.
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| 12:21 |
: Balls in play are fun
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Meg is the managing editor of FanGraphs and the co-host of Effectively Wild. Prior to joining FanGraphs, her work appeared at Baseball Prospectus, Lookout Landing, and Just A Bit Outside. You can follow her on twitter @megrowler.
So, that has to be on the VERY short list of the greatest games of all time, no? Game 7 ’01; Game 6 ’75. Probably more in-game drama than Game 1, ’88. Game 6 ’11?
Game 6 1993?
This was an epic game. Running around the house yelling “I CAN’T BELIEVE THIS”
Game 7 1960 remains undefeated