ZiPS 2021 Top 100 Prospects

For the sixth year, ZiPS returns to crank out its top 100 prospects for the upcoming season. If you’re unaware of what the ZiPS projections are or the purpose they serve, please consult this article as well as this one while I reconsider my public relations strategy.

I like to think that I’ve developed a pretty useful tool over the years, but don’t get me wrong: a projection system is not even remotely a substitute for proper scouting. While ZiPS and other systems like it can see patterns in the data that are hard for humans to extract, humans have their own special tricks. Projecting prospects is hard, as you’re mostly dealing with very young players, some of whom aren’t even done physically developing. They play baseball against inconsistent competition and have much shorter resumés than established major leaguers.

That last bit is an especially tricky puzzle for 2021. Thanks to the COVID-19 pandemic, we didn’t have a minor league season. Some prospects were left to train at home, while others saw time at their team’s alternate site or in Fall Instructional League. But those environments can’t replace live opponents who are trying to crush your hopes and dreams, and they didn’t generate much in the way of useful statistics.

You will also notice, as usual, that there are a few players who appeared on Eric Longenhagen’s Top 100 who are missing here, simply because they have only played in high school and no professional games. It’s not that ZiPS dislikes them or doubts their future, it’s just that the system doesn’t have anything useful to say. ZiPS has the capability to use college stats when it has little choice — which is why you’ll see Spencer Torkelson and Austin Martin appear — but there’s just nothing for ZiPS to work with when we’re talking about someone like Jasson Dominguez.

But when ZiPS does have something to say, it does a decent job of identifying future major leaguers. If we look back to the prospects from the inaugural ZiPS Top 100, they’ve gone on to combine for 638 WAR in the majors. And while ZiPS will miss more often on the toolsy guys, there were also some higher floor guys who ZiPS liked better than the other prognosticators, including Mookie Betts, George Springer, Marcus Semien, Kolten Wong, and Joc Pederson. This is less of a problem in the big leagues because by the time a player has reached the top of the organizational ladder, they will generally have already needed to convert at least some of their raw tools into baseball skills. Statcast and the like give us clever ways to capture things like speed or a pitcher’s stuff more effectively than ever before, but these measures can’t tell us everything, and they’re generally less available for minor leaguers. ZiPS doesn’t know who has a hitch in their swing and an inconsistent arm slot. As it turns out, however, actual performance has a lot of predictive value, and ZiPS is very happy to see a two-to-three win contributor like Wong where a prospect-watcher may be relatively unimpressed with his upside potential. One good example in the other direction is Dellin Betances. When he was an extremely erratic starting pitcher with severe control issues, ZiPS didn’t see any real upside. After all, guys who walk seven batters a game in the minors rarely pan out in the majors. What ZiPS couldn’t see was one of Betances’ teammates teaching him a new slider grip, which resulted in a pitch on the slider/cutter border that terrorized batters for five seasons.

Now to consider this year’s exercise. There’s not as much movement here as there has been in past years simply because there was no minor league season to send stocks soaring or crashing. Players with more upside but who needed time to develop it generally lost the most in the projections as a result of losing a year of their careers, as did the older prospects. One other difference of note is that I spent much of 2020 honing the minor league translations for lower-level prospects, with the biggest change being the implementation of some probability-based fielding data into the BABIP models. Re-projecting the 2014 prospects using this refined model would have improved the WAR total for the new ZiPS 2014 top 100 to 663 WAR. I do expect ZiPS to cede some ground to the scouts as time goes on; the higher floor, lower ceiling prospects that ZiPS likes tend to reach the majors more quickly.

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With less dramatic changes and no minor league season to talk about, most of the commentary below will concern players who got major league time in 2020, as they played actual games. Without further ado, the 2021 ZiPS Top 100!

ZiPS Top 100 Prospects
ZiPS Rank Name Team Pos Eric’s Rank
1 Wander Franco TBR SS 1
2 Ha-seong Kim SDP SS 64
3 Ke’Bryan Hayes PIT 3B 7
4 Dylan Carlson STL LF 16
5 Ian Anderson ATL SP 13
6 Nolan Jones CLE LF 52
7 Sixto Sánchez MIA SP 28
8 Adley Rutschman BAL C 3
9 Nate Pearson TOR SP 10
10 Marco Luciano SFG SS 11
11 Keibert Ruiz LAD C 80
12 Randy Arozarena TBR LF 4
13 Jarred Kelenic SEA RF 5
14 Riley Greene DET RF 38
15 Luis Campusano SDP C 27
16 Deivi García NYY SP 60
17 Matt Manning DET SP 18
18 MacKenzie Gore SDP SP 2
19 Cristian Pache ATL CF 8
20 Jeter Downs BOS 2B 53
21 Brendan McKay TBR SP 123
22 Trevor Rogers MIA SP 104
23 Nick Madrigal CHW 2B 39
24 Austin Martin TOR CF 44
25 Spencer Torkelson DET 1B 9
26 Alejandro Kirk TOR C 74
27 Miguel Amaya CHC C Unranked
28 Julio Rodríguez SEA RF 20
29 Braden Shewmake ATL SS Unranked
30 Alex Kirilloff MIN RF 17
31 Nolan Gorman STL 3B 40
32 Simeon Woods Richardson TOR SP 72
33 Jordan Balazovic MIN SP 81
34 Nick Gonzales PIT 2B 86
35 Taylor Walls TBR SS 108
36 Miguel Vargas LAD 1B Unranked
37 Cody Morris CLE RP Unranked
38 Luis Patiño TBR SP 12
39 Gabriel Arias CLE SS Unranked
40 Jazz Chisholm MIA SS 48
41 Josh Lowe TBR CF 56
42 Drew Waters ATL CF 47
43 CJ Abrams SDP 2B 6
44 Logan Gilbert SEA SP 37
45 Michael Kopech CHW SP 34
46 Spencer Howard PHI SP 33
47 Josh Fleming TBR SP Unranked
48 Asa Lacy KCR SP 25
49 Alec Bettinger MIL P Unranked
50 Jeff Bain ARI P Unranked
51 Josiah Gray LAD SP 29
52 Vidal Bruján TBR 2B 24
53 Tarik Skubal DET SP 22
54 Austin Hays BAL CF Unranked
55 Ryan Mountcastle BAL LF 94
56 Owen Miller CLE SS Unranked
57 Max Meyer MIA SP 26
58 Casey Mize DET SP 32
59 Ben Rortvedt MIN C Unranked
60 George Valera CLE RF 63
61 Sherten Apostel TEX 3B Unranked
62 Leody Taveras TEX CF 121
63 Ryan Jeffers MIN C 59
64 Xavier Edwards TBR 2B 84
65 Grayson Rodriguez BAL SP 30
66 Tyler Freeman CLE 2B 88
67 Triston Casas BOS 1B 54
68 Emerson Hancock SEA SP 57
69 Braxton Garrett MIA P Unranked
70 Brett Conine HOU P Unranked
71 Connor Seabold BOS SP Unranked
72 Daulton Jefferies OAK P Unranked
73 Shane McClanahan TBR RP 119
74 Jhoan Duran MIN SP 82
75 Tucker Davidson ATL P Unranked
76 Kevin Padlo TBR 3B Unranked
77 Garrett Whitlock BOS RP Unranked
78 Edward Cabrera MIA SP 50
79 Aaron Ashby MIL RP 127
80 Jordan Groshans TOR 3B 77
81 Garrett Crochet CHW RP 73
82 Andy Pages LAD CF 117
83 Chris Vallimont MIN SP Unranked
84 Ezequiel Duran NYY 2B 132
85 Jacob Amaya LAD SS 118
86 Brennen Davis CHC CF 41
87 Mitch White LAD RP Unranked
88 Bryan Mata BOS RP Unranked
89 Joey Bart SFG C 55
90 Andrew Vaughn CHW 1B 14
91 Emmanuel Clase CLE RP Unranked
92 Gilberto Celestino MIN CF Unranked
93 Jean Carlos Mejia CLE SP Unranked
94 A.J. Puk OAK SP 99
95 Royce Lewis MIN SS 23
96 Cory Abbott CHC SP Unranked
97 Daniel Lynch KCR SP 62
98 Matthew Liberatore STL SP 111
99 Orelvis Martinez TOR SS 89
100 Forrest Whitley HOU SP 106

Wander Franco remains at the very top of the list. He’s as complete a talent as you can find at his age and the missed year probably has a bigger cost to his wallet than to his development. There’s literally as much difference between Franco and runner-up Ha-seong Kim’s projections as there is between Kim and number 30 prospect Alex Kirilloff. ZiPS projects 46 career WAR for Franco and sees him as an .875 OPS hitter at his peak, an absolutely bananas projections for a player who has yet to play above the High-A Florida State League. If ZiPS gave number grades, he’d be an 80, probably joining Mike Trout. Trout was “only” projected at 4 WAR as a rookie, but that was still an optimistic projection until we saw what he actually did!

You get the biggest difference between my list and Eric’s early with the aforementioned Kim. Kim projects as a three-win hitter right now, and the best player coming over from Korea ever projected, so given the lack of speculation required to make him a significant talent in the majors, he was always going to have a very high ranking.

ZiPS has been high on Ke’Bryan Hayes for a very long time and over his minor league career, it had him as the best defensive third baseman since Matt Chapman. Sometimes glove guys in the minors don’t actually work out that way — he can ask his teammate Gregory Polanco — but Hayes gave very little reason to doubt the hype in his limited time in the majors in 2020. He’s quite obviously not going to continue to hit .376/.442/.682, but that performance was enough to shift his projection in a positive direction. In terms of rest-of-career WAR, ZiPS has Hayes as fourth in baseball among third basemen, behind only Alex Bregman, Chapman, and José Ramírez, and just edging out Alec Bohm and Rafael Devers.

Ian Anderson and Sixto Sánchez excelling late in the season was enough to boost their ranks significantly. Deivi García also got a jump, and while his stats weren’t obviously a plus, ZiPS isn’t worried about the extra homers he allowed. ZiPS also thinks that Nate Pearson’s walks were a little higher than you’d expect from his plate discipline stats, and getting some actual velocity and contact data in there also gave him a bump.

The two biggest beneficiaries of the revised low minors translations are Julio Rodríguez and Braden Shewmake, though for different reasons. The boost to Shewmake’s BABIP and the inclusion of wider college data make the projections more confident that he has a very respectable floor. Rodríguez has more downside, but also more upside scenarios that involve him becoming a 30-homer hitter in a corner, with a chance at his plate discipline improving. On-average, ZiPS sees Rodríguez like Jermaine Dye, which isn’t bad for a mean expectation.

Seasons lost due to injuries hit the rankings of both Brendan McKay and Brent Honeywell Jr. significantly. But the Rays got good news elsewhere: Josh Fleming looks like he’s going to stick as a mid-rotation starter with no star potential and Luis Patiño’s minor league translations took a significant jump up. And, of course, there’s Randy Arozarena, who still qualifies for the Rookie of the Year award in 2021, as weird as that feels after his postseason performance. Some may be disappointed by Arozarena only ranking 12th, but he’s not likely to have a ton of defensive value and there’s probably not another breakout waiting. In all, the Rays have 11 players in the ZiPS Top 100.

As an Orioles fan, it pained me to see Adley Rutschman slip to eighth. What it comes down to is that he’s not an 18-year-old phenom and catcher prospects have very high failure potential, so ZiPS sees him having missed a year of development as a significant problem.

One projection certain to disappoint is that of Andrew Vaughn, a player who the White Sox are making noise about promoting aggressively this year. I can’t say for certain if that desire is earnest and not partially a public cover for not going after someone like Nelson Cruz for the team’s DH spot, but ZiPS is not sold at all on Vaughn. ZiPS is aware of his power while at Cal. Indeed, if all it knew was Vaughn’s sub-.450 slugging debut while not being young for A-ball, he would not have come anywhere near this list. On the flip side, college was enough for Spencer Torkelson and Austing Martin to do well. If Torkelson had received an official ZiPS for 2021, his top comp would be Jim Thome. That’s obviously not the average result. The projections see Martin as a high-average, high-OBP hitter in his prime, with a peak in the 115-125 wRC+ range, certainly enough that he doesn’t necessarily have to excel at an up-the-middle defensive position.

Overall, there was a lot of agreement between ZiPS and The Board. In all, 74 players appeared on both top 100 lists, which is about average for ZiPS/scout consensus; there tended to be a similar amount of overlap between ZiPS and Keith Law’s rankings when both of our lists were housed at ESPN.

If there’s anyone else you want more ZiPS insight on, let me know in the comments! And if you enjoyed this work, please consider becoming a FanGraphs member. Your support is what gives us the time to work on projects like this!





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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MattMember since 2018
5 years ago

Does ZiPS incorporate postseason performance? I.e., does it “know” what Randy Arozarena did last October?

MattMember since 2018
5 years ago

I’d be interested to see what ZiPS does with Oneil Cruz.

whiptydojoe
5 years ago
Reply to  Matt

Came here to say this. Also, does ZiPS incorporate positions changes? Like, could ZiPS look at his body and say, “no way, he’s too big, this guy has to go to 3B, OF, or 1B”

BrooksMember since 2026
5 years ago

As a cubs fan, I love seeing Cory Abbott on this list. Whats the ZiPS scoop with him?

RedsManRickMember since 2020
5 years ago

Dan, you evidently forgot to include the Reds in this run of ZiPS…….. 🙁
/s

dougiejones
5 years ago

What does ZiPs like about Liberatore? Eric said Libby struggles to hide his fastball which seems like something thatZiPs may miss out on. But he is a pretty toolsy pitcher, was surprised to see ZiPs that high on him. Does ZiPs think he could be a #2?

Mitchell KrallMember since 2024
5 years ago

Thanks Dave-great work as always! Quick clarification: is #93 Jean Carlos Mejia?

Cave Dameron
5 years ago
Reply to  Mitchell Krall

Who is Dave?

Mitchell KrallMember since 2024
5 years ago
Reply to  Cave Dameron

Good question, not the author of this post, that’s for sure.

CheeseballMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

My first name is Daniel, and I used to introduce myself indifferently as ‘Dan’, or ‘Daniel’ – but I gradually noticed that people to whom I was introduced as ‘Dan’ were the ones who couldn’t remember that I was ‘Don’ or ‘Dave’, while ‘Daniel’ stuck better with people.

Probably not helpful, but maybe in some contexts, like Starbucks, that’ll help prevent confusion..

Billy Corman
5 years ago

Casey Mize seems to be getting dogged or lauded. ZiPS is almost middle of the road. Is ZiPS cautious on his injury risk/history?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago

I think I buy this list as a whole. It’s interesting, though, I went down and made a list of the guys where I thought “that is definitely, definitely too high” and the three of the five were guys with big power and K-rates (Jazz Chisholm, Nolan Jones, Kevin Padlo). Those guys scare the heck out of me.

The other guys are Keibert Ruiz and Nick Madrigal, both of whom I used to love as prospects because they never struck out, but I am worrying more and more about the power. I think they are still Top 100 guys and maybe Top 50 but ZiPs probably just figures they have to hit for more power and I just don’t know if that’s true anymore. Plus, the defense does not seem to be quite as good as advertised.

mikejuntMember
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Im more worried about the rest of Ruiz as the Dodgers teach power well and he could be an entirely useful catcher with just contact skills getting on base, but the big 2019 dip in his contact still alarms, though there’s a lot of scuttlebutt he did really well at the alternate site

MichaelMember since 2017
5 years ago

I’d be interested in how ZIPS views the other top college hitters from 2020’s draft class (after the top 3 on your list), since we didn’t get to see them play in the minors — Kjerstad, Mitchell, Wells, Foscue, Sabato.

John WickMember since 2018
5 years ago

What kind of line does ZIPS see for Kirk? Is he a catcher in those projections?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago

The two guys I am surprised not to see on here are Brandon Marsh and Trevor Larnach. I’m guessing ZiPs doesn’t like the fact that their power hasn’t translated to home runs yet, but Marsh can probably play CF pretty well, and Larnach’s approach probably makes him a major leaguer.

I’m not surprised to see that Geraldo Perdomo (ARI) isn’t on there because he hasn’t shown much power, but I’m curious what ZiPs thinks of him too.

VinnieDaGooch
5 years ago

What stats is ZiPS using to rank Riley Greene that high? He has no college stats and barely any minor league stats either

mikejuntMember
5 years ago

Keibert Ruiz is the biggest move up on the list, I think, and yet went unmentioned.

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
5 years ago

Man, prospects week is the best.

achidesterMember since 2020
5 years ago

better than Christmas, for my money

JacobM
5 years ago

Man, Bobby Witt was really hit hard by the lack of a 2020 season.

lesmashMember since 2017
5 years ago

Thank you, Dan! I love the work that you and the team at FG do around prospects. This is easily worth the membership.

Quick question around Keibert Ruiz: is Paul Lo Duca (with a grade less on D) a decent comp for him in terms of overall skill set? Or maybe Brian Harper? Or do you think there is more power to come from Ruiz than either of these catchers showed?

genny1Member since 2020
5 years ago

Thanks for this great stuff Dan! You have remarked in other places before about how you like the direction your modeling of defense has progressed. Without doing any deep fly-specking, some of the players and their relative positioning on this list seems to reflect that ZiPS assigns meaningful weight to defense (Leody Taveras comes to mind mind, as do the #/ranking of catchers, and your comment on Arozarena). That is much appreciated.

Do you think defensive modeling (accuracy, weight) is one feature that materially distinguishes ZiPS from other projection/rankings systems?

genny1Member since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

Really cool stuff. Thanks for the great reply Dan!

jemcclaMember since 2024
5 years ago

Thanks Dan! I’m interested in how ZIPS views JJ Bleday- the huge college stats weren’t enough to land him in the top 100?

KvnMember since 2026
5 years ago

I’m pretty sure Austin Hays has exhausted his rookie eligibility so I’m surprised to see him here.

kleborpMember since 2025
5 years ago

Sorry but it’s tough for me to take a list seriously that has Jeff Bain (who was not even mentioned in Longenhagen’s Diamondbacks prospect list last year) as a top 50 prospect.

kleborpMember since 2025
5 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

I appreciate the effort, don’t get me wrong. I like ZiPS more than the other projections on this site. I hope at some point you will be able to dive in on some of the unknown guys on here.

Der_K
5 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

Love things like this list, thanks for your work Dan.

I do suspect ZiPS is probably high (and wrong) on Bain, the only person on this list who was Rule 5 eligible and not selected this winter (Whitlock was also made available but was drafted) – but, if true, that’s ok! – formula driven work can result in that kind of outcome from time to time. He’s been solid in the minors, apart from some serious longball issues in 2019 (23 in 120.2) but profiles to struggle at higher levels absent adding velocity. (I also think other sources may be low on this guy – he “knows how to pitch”.)

Ericksonb32
5 years ago

I am baffled by Cody Morris making it so high. His stats don’t seem that special for a 22.5 year old in A-ball

Handsome Wes
5 years ago

Can’t wait to see Wander Franco develop into a star for whatever team Tampa trades him to.

Connor Grey
5 years ago
Reply to  Handsome Wes

He’ll almost certainly be traded before he reaches free agency but it seems like there’s a really good chance he has some star level seasons with Tampa before they trade him.

TrevorCap
5 years ago

Deep cut but does ZiPS like Aaron Antonini? He was very old for the level but destroyed rookie ball as a LHH catcher in 2019.

socalkdgMember since 2020
5 years ago

How do you see Zips predicted career WAR?

gtagomoriMember since 2017
5 years ago

Hi Dan,

(If you notice this) Can you comment on Keibert Ruiz’s projection. His 2019 seemed a little lackluster vs other top 100 prospects, plus catchers seem to have higher variance in projections.

What does ZIPs like about him vs the other catching prospects?

gtagomoriMember since 2017
5 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

Ah ha. The magical conjunction of age and past performance!

I promise I’m going to go to the glossary right now to look for this question, but if you see this and choose to respond:

In effect, is ZIPs generally equally accurate regardless of primary position (for position players).

Thanks for your time.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  gtagomori

Ruiz appeared to be the outlier on this list. Will Smith is the Dodgers catcher for several years to come so for Ruiz to succeed it will almost certainly have to come with a different team.

Original Greaser Bob
5 years ago

Isn’t this just scouting the stat line + math?

Uncle SpikeMember since 2020
5 years ago

Yeah but you have to be really, really, really, really good at math.

trpetersenMember since 2018
5 years ago

Is this a ranking of future 50 percentile total career WAR?

JingerJenius
5 years ago

Does the ZIPS projection take into account A-/A-/A+ at bats? I’m guessing it must considering Franco’s placement.

Surprised to see the absence of guys like Kristian Robinson (or all the Diamondbacks OFs). I’m guessing that unless you are significantly under the average for that league, that ZIPS doesn’t care as much for performances at the lower leagues.

This list seems to find a lot of the guys who have been able to perform atleast at a AA level where I’m guessing the expected value of career WAR projections for the MLB has much lesser chances of busting.

In short, I’d be interested to hear some of the weighting that ZIPS puts on each level of the minors.

Great job as always.

stonepie
5 years ago

I’m sure you’ve posted this somewhere, but where are the 3 year ZIPS projections/when are they being released? Thanks again!

MoonrakerMember since 2025
5 years ago

Austin Martin is ranked ahead of Alejandro Kirk? Does that mean he’s projected to be worth 2+ WAR without having playing in the minors at all?? Cause that is just wack.

Greg SpeegleMember since 2019
5 years ago

You mention “rest of career WAR” in the post. Is that available somewhere?

jw757Member since 2024
5 years ago

interesting to see how Cleveland has 5 guys on this list, who are “unranked”. I have to believe this means they use a system very similar to ZIPs in their own internal evaluations.

J.D. MartinMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  jw757

I think Longenhagen has also indicated this in some of his chats, that they’re heavily model-based for prospecting and that’s why their guys are looked at favorably by projections like this

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  J.D. Martin

This is true, but keep in mind that a lot of teams rely heavily on their models–it’s just that Cleveland’s models look very similar to what ZiPs and KATOH like. The Mariners are also a model-heavy team at draft time but they keep picking college pitchers. The Brewers are too, and their model seems much more agnostic about what “types” of players it likes.

Brock244
5 years ago
Reply to  jw757

Yeah I noticed a similar thing with Boston who have 3 guys on this list who are unranked by Eric.

Most notably, two of them have been acquired by Bloom (Seabold, Whitlock) and they also went way against industry consensus in the draft when they took Yorke.

Can already see the Bloom/Tampa influence there

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  jw757

Back before some team paid Chris Mitchell to stop publishing KATOH (and well before he became a Twins employee) Cleveland also regularly had guys on those lists, too. They are well known to love guys with certain profiles–young for level is the key, with big power and/or precocious contact ability on the position player side, with a big bonus if they play shortstop. On the pitching side, they like younger guys who are tall with big fastballs and spin rates (at least in the beginning), or guys of any height with advanced command for their age.

If you want to get a good sense of what prep players they’re looking at, you could probably set a filter to only see prospects who are 18.4 or less at the draft. Baez, Ford, Leto, and Schrier on the position player side; Hartle, Gray, Braden Montgomery on the pitching side.

kriscolicMember since 2020
5 years ago

No Mets here. Can you tell us what zips thinks of the guys ranked by Eric?

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
5 years ago

I like to see performance rewarded and three players who performed very well in 2020, my choice for superstardom Ian Anderson, KeBryan Hayes and Sixto Sanchez were recognized for that, much more so than on other lists, even if Arozarena seems a little low. Since I believe that performance counts, there is a player who I will be following closely to see if his lofty ranking is a mirage because he has not shown much yet. This list is the first one I have seen that has dropped Royce Lewis to where his performance has indicated he belongs and I am getting a strong whiff, pun intended, of J.P. Crawford.

Mahoney
5 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

Lewis at this age still has a puncher’s chance of topping out as a “whiffier” Hanley Ramirez, but his minor-league performance has tracked even below Crawford’s at this point so I see where his 50th percentile outcome would leave him barely in the top 100. Eric’s graph of Future Values for Lewis gave him about a 25% chance of being a 70+ future value player (higher than KeBryan Hayes), but also about a 25% chance of being a total bust (much higher than Hayes.)

apiratefan
5 years ago

Does ZiPS take into account difficulty of opponents at all in college stats? Nick Gonzales jumped a bunch and playing for New Mexico State inflating his stats may be the reason.

techzero
5 years ago

Hi Dan, could you comment on Liberatore’s projection? I was personally high on Arozarena when he was in the Cards system, and it hurt me to see him go, but I was glad to see that we potentially got a great pitching prospect out of it. But now it seems both Eric and you think of him as a fringe or back-end top 100 prospect. It pains (and gladdens!) me to see Arozarena so high up on both lists, so I’m just curious about what ZiPS thinks about Liberatore.

YRueyYen
5 years ago

Maybe it’s not available to other people, but do you estimate how much error/variance is in each player’s projections?

My background is in physics, so I tend to think that all data should be presented with error bars. Some of the projections should have a much larger variance (due to both the data size and you can also quantify the quality of data to differentiate between college and different levels of pro as well as more recent data to past data) than others. I do think it’s tough to get useful actual error bars (unless you’re comparing past projections to real results), but I just think some loose rating system of the different projections would be useful.

The Duke
5 years ago

Where is Ivan Herrera who was 65 for Eric?

Chris Jeske
5 years ago
Reply to  The Duke

I am curious about the same thing. It seems like several lists are finally giving Herrera his due this year, even leapfrogging Ruiz and Amaya in several cases. This despite only Ruiz being the only to get any MLB time (only 8 PAs). To me this just confirms my suspicion that he was severely underrated/represented on last year’s lists.
My guess is with ZIPS, there is a significant degree more certainty with Ruiz and Amaya because they are older and have larger sample sizes at higher levels, even if Herrera has performed similar/better than each of them at the same age/level.

whiptydojoe
5 years ago

Dan, since you mentioned 2014, this has LONG been a hope/request for me, but would you be willing to share a previous projection of ZiPS vs. what actually occurred?

whiptydojoe
5 years ago

Small minor thing: the “other” Julio Rodriguez is linked, not the Sea RF. Not a complaint, just thought you might want to know. Thanks again for all of the work!

carterMember since 2020
5 years ago

Yowzers with Hayes. I would of thought of the ones he was projected over that it would be Devers, not Jram still ahead. But still, wow.

tcunning
5 years ago

Dan, is there any way we can get the offensive/defensive breakdown that ZIPS has on Cristian Pache? I’m sort of surprised that he’s not higher in the same range as KeBryan Hayes, and wondering if ZIPS is underplaying his defense, or whether KeBryan Hayes is getting more credit for his offense given his 2020 MLB performance.

carterMember since 2020
5 years ago

List seems to push up pitchers in comparison, right? See a lot of guys who are “unranked” who come in on the zips list.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
5 years ago

I have to admit to complete confusion over how these projection systems work. As a Red Sox fan I naturally take great interest in what others think, even computer projections, but I continue to be amazed at what is presented. In this case, as has been the case during this off-season, it concerns the complete lack of recognition of the 3 exceptional starts that Tanner Houck put together last season. During my perusing of the list I see Conner Seabold, Garrett Whitlock and Bryan Mata, none of whom has ever thrown a pitch in the major leagues on the list, but nothing about a pitcher whose line goes 3/3/3-0/17/6/1/9/21. I know the computer didn’t actually see the stuff he was throwing past everyone he faced but, I ask seriously, did anyone actually see it. It seems unlikely because nobody who did could ignore the awful swings that top hitters like Acuna, D’Arnaud or Ozuna were taking. I may very well be way off base with this but it does seem reasonable that someone with a track record of success, even if it is a small one, should be placed above a Rule 5 draft pick who hasn’t pitched since having TJ surgery in 2019.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

Dan, your remembering Vaughn Eshelman, impresses me. I remember those first 2 starts against the Yankees and Tigers, but Eshelman was a Rule 5 player who had already been dumped by the Orioles who had a couple of flukes and quickly was bashed around. That may happen to Houck as well but, as late as 2020, another publication, while acknowledging that he only threw two pitches, called them a plus/plus two pitch mix. Real stiffs don’t strike out 10 Braves in 6 innings. A stiff doesn’t make Acuna(with high heat), Ozuna and D’Arnaud(nasty cross-fire sliders) look as bad as they did against him in his last start in 2020. What has Garrett Whitlock done that hints that he could exceed Houck’s performances? All I have been saying is that his performance should rank him ahead of these other borderline prospects.

bigpizzamanMember since 2024
5 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

“A stiff doesn’t make Acuna(with high heat), Ozuna and D’Arnaud(nasty cross-fire sliders) look as bad as they did against him in his last start in 2020”

If you want to play that game, here’s this:
“A stud doesn’t put up a 5.30 FIP against AAA competition or a 4.31 FIP against A+ competition. A stud also doesn’t walk nearly 5 batters per 9 innings”

Houck’s 3 starts might have bee fluky. Or maybe he did turn a corner. We’ll see. Right now though, no one should weigh 17 MLB innings more than 250 MiLB innings

jfree
5 years ago

A guy like Hunter Greene. Missing because he was never thought of highly – or because injury out of the spotlight just means less attention – or because injury actually reduces the potential ceiling?

I always wonder about how that pitching prospect risk really plays into ranking/projection systems.

E-Dub
5 years ago
Reply to  jfree

Hunter Greene is clearly someone who has been, and still is, highly thought of. Regardless, I don’t think projection systems factor in reputation or notoriety.

NATS FanMember since 2018
5 years ago

No Nationals at all!!!!! big frown

I guess unless we draft a once in a lifetime talent our draft picks do not seem to work out for us.

NATS FanMember since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

zero Mets, one Philly, Two Braves, and 6 Marlins. I guess this division is upending in a few years.

TimBrownUMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

5 braves, not 2

The Doug AbidesMember since 2019
5 years ago

No Triston McKenzie?

ahpuckettMember since 2019
5 years ago

Interesting to see the order in which the two Twins catchers are ranked–Rortvedt above Jeffers. It seems Jeffers out-performed Rortvedt at every level in the minors (and performed well in his 2020 MLB debut). What explains ZiPS’ preference for Rortvedt?

WhalemanMember since 2019
5 years ago

Andrés Giménez, Clev. Is he still considered rookie eligible? Curious, where would he slot on this list?

MRDXolMember since 2021
5 years ago

love this modelling look at prospects as usual: Is the difference between Vaughn & Torkelson’s projections due to nothing more than Vaughn’s 200ish PAs in A-ball, i.e. would Torkelson’s projections be essentially identical if he had put up merely “good” stats if the minors had happened last year? They seem so similar to me otherwise. Thanks!

MichaelMember since 2017
5 years ago

Dan – longtime fan of your work. If Luis Robert and Alex Bohm were eligible for this list, where would they have placed?

Albert McGuireMember since 2026
5 years ago

What’s the word on Casey Mize? You and ZiPS have him much lower than every other ranking of prospects. Is he just not going to be good this year, is it injury worries, or will he always be the hyped prospect that couldn’t translate?

yewadif
5 years ago

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delatopiaMember since 2017
5 years ago

Kohei Arihara?