ZiPS 2026 Movers and Shakers: Hitters

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One of the things that people like to ask me about with the projections is how they change over time, rather than what they are. While knowing the actual projections is, of course, highly useful, it’s also interesting to see who has changed the most in the algorithms since they basically represent the players we should feel differently about than we did before. Knowing how changes in a player affect performance models quite often reveals an interesting fact or two about how players develop and age.

The methodology I’ve chosen here is a simple one: I’m ranking the difference in 2026 WAR as projected now against the 2026 projected WAR as of Opening Day in 2025. For the decliners, I didn’t include the off-the-radar types, because while a fringe High-A prospect hitting a wall at Double-A is good info to have, it’s more impactful to see the declines among more roster-relevant players than some poor fellow who saw his -1.0 WAR projection become a -2.5 WAR one.

ZiPS Gainers – Hitters (Projected 2026 WAR)

I would have been very surprised if you had told me before last season that Jakob Marsee was going to snag a spot on my Rookie of the Year ballot, but he hit .292/.363/.478 (133 wRC+) in 234 plate appearances for the Marlins while playing solid defense in center field, good for 2.2 WAR. Though he wasn’t anywhere near as good in the minors prior to his call-up, his 2025 Triple-A wRC+ of 126 translates into a major league performance that would still be quite positive for a competent defensive center fielder, even if he doesn’t maintain the elite offensive output he showed with Miami. Naturally, Marsee does project to regress considerably, into about a league-average hitter, but all the projection systems still see him as a legitimate starter, which was not the case heading into last season.

ZiPS Projection – Jakob Marsee
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2026 .230 .329 .380 548 79 126 25 6 15 73 74 131 37 96 2.9
2027 .233 .331 .383 553 79 129 26 6 15 75 74 128 36 98 3.0
2028 .235 .333 .389 550 81 129 25 6 16 75 75 125 34 100 3.1
2029 .233 .331 .380 545 79 127 25 5 15 74 73 122 31 97 2.8
2030 .234 .333 .384 534 77 125 25 5 15 72 72 118 28 99 2.8

Jacob Reimer gives the top of this list two Jakes, and I swear I really tried to make a joke involving the 1990 Chinatown sequel starring Jack Nicholson and Harvey Keitel, but was sadly unable to do so. The Mets may not feel too happy with the ending of their 2025 season, but Reimer’s breakout performance as a prospect is one of the positives they can take away. The presence of Bo Bichette and Brett Baty means that Reimer doesn’t have a clear path to playing third base for the Mets in the majors, but there’s room for him to grab a corner outfield spot, though I think that’s more likely in 2027 than this year.

ZiPS Projection – Jacob Reimer
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2026 .234 .313 .403 461 74 108 27 3 15 70 41 123 6 102 1.9
2027 .236 .315 .407 479 78 113 28 3 16 76 44 122 6 104 2.1
2028 .240 .321 .420 491 83 118 28 3 18 81 46 119 6 109 2.6
2029 .246 .325 .429 501 86 123 29 3 19 84 47 117 6 113 2.9
2030 .247 .326 .433 510 89 126 29 3 20 87 48 116 6 114 3.1

Obvious AL Rookie of the Year Nick Kurtz has the third-most-improved projection, but unlike Marsee, I had at least an inkling that this might happen. He was one of those players I dread projecting, because when a player has almost no professional experience but an obvious role in the majors, I have to project largely based on college data, which are quite volatile even when you make corrections for conference quality. I noted this in the A’s ZiPS rundown for 2025.

I have no idea if the Nick Kurtz projection is too high, too low, or just right given he has played almost no professional baseball. ZiPS does know his Wake Forest numbers, but college translations are more speculative than crypto currency with meme names.

People have made big sums of money on speculative investments (though I wouldn’t recommend trying to do so), and Kurtz paid off wonderfully for the A’s. After 2025, there’s little doubt about his ability to hit major league pitching. True story: Kurtz is one of only two players I have analyzed under penalty of perjury. I was called for jury duty last October — annoying, during the first few games of the playoffs — and since having “journalist” on your jury questionnaire appears to be something that leads lawyers and the judge to check up on you, I got directly called upon by the defense attorney during voir dire to give my analysis on Roman Anthony’s chances of winning the AL Rookie of the Year award. Strangely, after 90 seconds of my baseball analysis and another question which involved responding to the judge that I couldn’t claim that I wouldn’t be at least slightly distracted with baseball playoff thoughts, I ended up as Juror #2. Hopefully, I was less distracted than Jack Warden’s character in a similar situation. At least I can confidently say that, unlike Nicholas Hoult’s character in Clint Eastwood’s film Juror #2, which was released just before my selection, I was not directly involved in the case.

If Kurtz is as good this season as he was in 2025, he might find his way onto this list again next year!

ZiPS Projection – Nick Kurtz
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2026 .264 .351 .508 508 91 134 29 1 31 103 67 160 2 135 2.9
2027 .267 .357 .520 529 98 141 30 1 34 111 73 160 2 140 3.5
2028 .267 .359 .526 546 103 146 31 1 36 117 77 160 2 142 3.9
2029 .268 .362 .529 556 106 149 32 1 37 120 81 157 2 144 4.1
2030 .268 .365 .528 559 107 150 32 1 37 121 84 154 2 145 4.1

Sal Stewart crushed it in the minors last year, and was more than respectable for the Reds, and I think there’s a reasonable chance that he fully seizes the job at first base from Spencer Steer fairly early in the season. ZiPS never hated Geraldo Perdomo, but he would’ve been a legitimate MVP candidate last year in a world without Shohei Ohtani, and I’m still a bit flabbergasted that a lot of baseball didn’t seem to notice.

ZiPS Projection – Geraldo Perdomo
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2026 .262 .361 .405 504 86 132 25 4 13 68 74 76 20 112 4.1
2027 .262 .361 .411 504 86 132 25 4 14 68 74 75 19 114 4.3
2028 .256 .356 .401 504 85 129 25 3 14 67 74 74 18 110 4.0
2029 .255 .354 .400 505 84 129 25 3 14 66 73 74 17 109 3.8
2030 .249 .347 .385 506 82 126 24 3 13 65 72 73 15 103 3.4

ZiPS thought Ben Rice would hit well entering last season, but his projection took a pretty big dip from his defense at first base, stemming from some really poor minor league defensive numbers. (ZiPS uses ball location data and estimates a catch probability for minor league players.) His glove at first was fine in 2025, so that worry didn’t come to pass, and he beat his offensive projections anyway, meaning we should be even more excited about his bat now. He’ll likely add some WAR to this projection depending on how many stray appearances he gets behind the plate; ZiPS is seeing him here as solely a DH.

ZiPS Projection – Ben Rice
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2026 .241 .330 .462 439 70 106 21 2 24 73 52 104 4 119 2.2
2027 .243 .333 .463 441 71 107 21 2 24 73 54 103 4 120 2.3
2028 .240 .331 .450 438 70 105 21 1 23 71 54 101 3 117 2.0
2029 .237 .330 .441 417 65 99 20 1 21 65 51 96 3 114 1.8
2030 .235 .327 .431 378 57 89 18 1 18 57 46 88 3 111 1.5

ZiPS projected Cal Raleigh to be a star in 2025, but even that turned out to be an undersell, as he put up one of the greatest seasons for a catcher in the history of baseball. Naturally, that has bumped his projection quite a bit, and unless something bad happens or his decline is steeper and earlier than expected, Raleigh has surprisingly started to build a legitimate Hall of Fame case. It’s certainly helpful that he’s a real catcher, not a DH engaging in some baseball-equipment-fetish cosplay.

ZiPS Projection – Cal Raleigh
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2026 .230 .329 .500 538 82 124 22 0 41 108 75 168 7 136 6.2
2027 .223 .322 .474 538 79 120 21 0 38 103 75 168 6 128 5.5
2028 .221 .320 .461 538 77 119 21 0 36 97 75 168 6 124 5.1
2029 .216 .316 .439 538 74 116 21 0 33 92 75 169 5 116 4.6
2030 .210 .310 .415 537 70 113 20 0 30 86 74 170 5 109 3.9

Zach Cole was hardly a big name prospect, but he destroyed the high minors in 2025, and seemingly has solidified a fourth outfielder job in a Houston position group that’s shallow enough that he could conceivably grab a full-time spot if he works out well. Getting to run with the full-time job at third for the Rays, Caminero busted out for 45 homers and a spot in the middle of the lineup written in permanent marker. Yeah, it’s too bad he didn’t end up a shortstop in the majors, but let’s not be too greedy.

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ZiPS Projection – Junior Caminero
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2026 .270 .322 .501 585 83 158 27 0 36 115 44 119 6 126 3.9
2027 .275 .330 .516 585 87 161 27 0 38 119 47 114 6 132 4.4
2028 .278 .334 .525 583 89 162 27 0 39 122 49 110 5 136 4.7
2029 .282 .341 .540 581 92 164 27 0 41 125 51 106 5 142 5.2
2030 .283 .344 .542 579 92 164 27 0 41 126 53 102 5 143 5.3

Dylan Jasso and Zach Ehrhard are the two most obscure names on the list, and while they have the weakest projections, they both now have a pretty good shot at being useful role players in the majors. Jasso is probably not going to hit enough to play first base regularly, but if his defense plays at second or third in the majors, he could be a Joey Wendle-esque Useful Dude.

Every year that Aaron Judge decides to skip the whole aging thing and instead put up a historically great season, he’s likely to end up this list the following February. Time always wins in the end, but I’m always happy to see someone give it a good thrashing on the way.

ZiPS Projection – Aaron Judge
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2026 .288 .421 .594 500 107 144 25 1 42 115 113 153 8 181 7.7
2027 .278 .413 .560 468 95 130 22 1 36 100 105 146 7 170 6.4
2028 .267 .404 .525 434 84 116 20 1 30 86 96 138 5 158 5.2
2029 .254 .390 .486 397 71 101 18 1 24 71 86 129 4 144 3.8
2030 .240 .378 .441 358 60 86 15 0 19 58 76 121 3 129 2.6

Carson Roccaforte is an interesting outfield candidate for the Royals, and while we should be suspicious of high-walk, low-contact minor leaguers, he’s also fast enough and a good enough defensive center fielder that he could escape being one of those walk-heavy prospects that just don’t work out. After a dynamite first full professional season, Twins first-rounder Kaelen Culpepper has quickly become one of the projection system’s favorites, and he will appear prominently on the ZiPS Top 100 next week.

Many were disappointed in Drake Baldwin’s projection going into the 2025 season, and I assured people that it could go up quickly if he had a big season. He earned his Rookie of the Year award, and since my pants are not on fire, his projection did in fact improve quickly.

ZiPS Projection – Drake Baldwin
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2026 .265 .340 .468 434 56 115 23 1 21 71 45 92 0 125 3.7
2027 .264 .342 .467 454 59 120 24 1 22 75 49 94 0 126 3.9
2028 .263 .342 .464 472 61 124 24 1 23 78 51 96 0 125 3.9
2029 .262 .341 .460 485 62 127 25 1 23 79 53 98 0 124 3.9
2030 .260 .340 .455 492 63 128 25 1 23 78 54 99 0 122 3.8

And now, the frowny portion of our proceedings.

ZiPS Decliners – Hitters (Projected 2026 WAR)
Player Now In 2025 Diff Player 1 Player 2 Player 3
Eguy Rosario -0.1 2.2 -2.31 Aaron Sisk Jose Valentin Bill Barrett
Brayden Taylor 0.7 2.7 -2.00 Steve Lyons Andy Fox Steven Green
Thayron Liranzo 0.1 2.0 -1.91 Harry McCulla Todd Pratt Allen Schrader
James Triantos -0.1 1.7 -1.82 Ramón Torres Ramon Nivar Enzo Hernandez
Michael Boeve -0.6 1.2 -1.80 Rafael Valera Alvin White Nick Ward
Alfredo Velásquez -1.7 0.1 -1.79 Carlos Capellan Miguel Vilorio Aaron Miles
Jarred Kelenic 0.0 1.8 -1.77 Mike Gerber Kirk Nieuwenhuis Gary Woods
Andrew Navigato -0.1 1.6 -1.75 Benji Gil Chris Basak Jeudy Valdez
Enrique Bradfield Jr. 0.4 2.1 -1.69 Ryan Freel Mike Loggins Anthony Felston
Gage Workman 0.5 2.1 -1.64 Billy Myers Doug Hansen Chris Basak
Heston Kjerstad 0.5 2.1 -1.64 Ruben Mateo Al Yates Jim McAnany
Glenallen Hill Jr. -1.0 0.6 -1.61 Sandy Santos Jareck West Andre Piper-Jordan
Yordan Alvarez 3.5 5.1 -1.57 Eddie Murray Frank Thomas Nick Etten
Colton Cowser 1.9 3.4 -1.50 Adolfo Phillips Jon Nunnally Ian Happ
Jackson Holliday 2.0 3.5 -1.50 Matt Antonelli Pee Wee Reese Roy White

ZiPS had been banging the Eguy Rosario drum for a while. It didn’t think anything crazy like he’d be a superstar, but he was an infielder in his early 20s with experience at all four infield positions who had shown impressive power in the high minors, even after making proper adjustments for the Pacific Coast League. In a few cups of espresso in the majors, he wasn’t overmatched either, with a .783 OPS and five homers in just 100 plate appearances. But after not making the Padres roster at the start of 2025, he had a disaster of a season, with his bat first disappearing so quickly that he was sent down to the Arizona Complex League for a spell, and finished the season with a combined .192/.266/.297 line across four minor league levels. Quite shocking for a guy coming off a .900 OPS season for Triple-A El Paso! Naturally, that has sent his stock collapsing faster than any market crash I can compare it to in order for this analogy to work. Rosario was recently designated for assignment, and despite this, he’s probably worth a pickup for a rebuilding team.

ZiPS Projection – Eguy Rosario
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2026 .199 .272 .346 332 39 66 15 2 10 38 31 113 8 70 -0.1
2027 .203 .276 .358 344 41 70 16 2 11 40 32 114 8 74 0.1
2028 .207 .281 .360 347 42 72 16 2 11 40 33 114 8 76 0.3
2029 .202 .275 .339 248 30 50 11 1 7 29 24 81 5 69 -0.1
2030 .206 .280 .353 170 20 35 8 1 5 19 17 56 3 75 0.0

ZiPS still likes Brayden Taylor’s glove quite a lot, but his struggles upon promotion to Double-A has caused his chances of hitting well enough to start in the majors to take a big hit, especially since he wasn’t young for the level. My colleague David Laurila wrote about Taylor’s season on this very website last week.

Thayron Liranzo was acquired by the Detroit Tigers in the 2024 Jack Flaherty trade with the Dodgers (along with Trey Sweeney), and the hope was that he would be pushing for a catcher/DH role-player spot at this point, but he struggled to hit at Double-A, a bad sign for a catching prospect who is far from a guarantee to be able to handle the position in the majors. The only silver lining is that catching prospects tend to have fairly odd developmental patterns, as catcher is the position where the physical aspects of playing the position defensively appear to have a real effect on offensive development.

ZiPS Projection – Thayron Liranzo
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2026 .194 .277 .324 377 46 73 16 0 11 44 41 138 0 67 0.1
2027 .207 .291 .352 386 51 80 17 0 13 48 43 134 0 78 0.7
2028 .215 .299 .369 390 53 84 18 0 14 51 44 129 0 85 1.1
2029 .220 .304 .380 368 51 81 17 0 14 50 42 118 0 89 1.3
2030 .225 .309 .389 360 51 81 17 0 14 51 41 112 0 93 1.4

Jarred Kelenic’s projections get notably worse every season, and this year isn’t an exception. It’s bad enough that he’s barely hit at all in the majors, but he’s struggling a bit more every year against minor league pitching. Kelenic’s Triple-A wRC+ by year: 147, 127, 116, then after a full year in the majors in 2024, a 62 in 2025. He turns 27 this summer, so the once-reasonable “don’t panic, he’s just 22!” arguments no longer hold water. I’m not sure he can even crack the White Sox roster on merit.

ZiPS Projection – Jarred Kelenic
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2026 .228 .292 .372 425 50 97 21 2 12 45 38 137 9 85 0.0
2027 .229 .293 .374 423 50 97 21 2 12 46 38 133 8 86 0.1
2028 .229 .294 .373 415 49 95 20 2 12 46 38 128 8 86 0.0
2029 .229 .294 .373 327 38 75 16 2 9 36 30 100 6 86 0.0
2030 .228 .295 .368 250 29 57 12 1 7 27 23 76 4 85 -0.1

I was hopeful that Enrique Bradfield Jr. would be the eventual successor to Cedric Mullins in Baltimore, but while he’s fast and can handle center field defensively, he can’t afford to be a middling contact hitter, since he needs to put the ball in play to leverage his speed effectively. He’s certainly not compensating his whiffs with power.

ZiPS Projection – Enrique Bradfield Jr.
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2026 .229 .303 .321 327 51 75 14 2 4 33 32 81 26 78 0.4
2027 .236 .310 .335 343 56 81 15 2 5 35 33 83 27 83 0.7
2028 .240 .314 .341 358 58 86 17 2 5 37 35 84 28 86 0.9
2029 .239 .313 .337 306 49 73 14 2 4 32 30 70 23 85 0.7
2030 .250 .325 .362 260 43 65 13 2 4 28 26 59 19 95 0.9

If you’re still wondering why the Orioles aggressively brought in Pete Alonso and Taylor Ward, note how many of them are here. Alongside Bradfield, there are four more O’s, giving them a third of this list. Joining Bradfield are Jackson Holliday, Heston Kjerstad, Colton Cowser, and Alfredo Velásquez. If this list stretched out to 30 players, we’d also add in Payton Eeles (acquired in November), Coby Mayo, and Tyler O’Neill. I can’t say whether or not the Orioles pay any attention to the ZiPS projections, but I wouldn’t be surprised if their methods had similar concerns about their non-Henderson offensive players.

ZiPS Projection – Jackson Holliday
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2026 .247 .328 .404 572 86 141 27 3 19 69 65 142 16 106 2.0
2027 .251 .334 .419 573 90 144 27 3 21 72 66 136 16 112 2.5
2028 .253 .337 .425 572 92 145 28 2 22 74 67 131 15 114 2.7
2029 .255 .338 .432 572 93 146 28 2 23 76 67 125 15 117 3.0
2030 .257 .340 .441 572 94 147 29 2 24 78 67 121 14 119 3.2

ZiPS Projection – Heston Kjerstad
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2026 .242 .306 .409 364 48 88 16 3 13 52 26 105 2 101 0.5
2027 .242 .306 .409 364 48 88 16 3 13 52 26 104 2 101 0.5
2028 .240 .305 .404 359 47 86 16 2 13 51 26 102 2 99 0.4
2029 .238 .304 .402 286 37 68 13 2 10 40 21 82 1 98 0.3
2030 .237 .303 .391 215 27 51 10 1 7 29 16 62 1 95 0.1

ZiPS Projection – Colton Cowser
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ WAR
2026 .237 .321 .427 426 63 101 22 1 19 65 46 151 14 110 1.9
2027 .242 .327 .439 433 65 105 23 1 20 67 48 148 14 115 2.2
2028 .243 .329 .445 436 67 106 23 1 21 69 49 145 13 117 2.3
2029 .241 .327 .436 436 65 105 23 1 20 68 49 143 12 114 2.1
2030 .242 .329 .441 429 65 104 23 1 20 66 49 140 10 116 2.2





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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Baseball LearnerMember since 2024
6 months ago

No blurb about Yordan Alvarez? Of all all the decliners he had the highest war projection to start. Is Zips just assuming he will be injured, or does it think he will hit less when available?

marinmccoveysMember since 2026
6 months ago

Last year Orioles’ hitters were like, “Omar coming!”.

g4Member since 2020
6 months ago

The thought of Dan playing the Jack Warden character in 12 Angry Men has me in stitches.
Fonda: “Well, was the lady wearing her glasses or wasn’t she?”
Szym: “Who cares, don’t you realize Dean Kremer is on the hill today?!”

david hMember since 2025
6 months ago

Why are these projections different than the ZiPS projections on the player pages?

david hMember since 2025
6 months ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

Cool, thanks. I only looked at a few and most seemed pretty close, but Jakob Marsee is a big difference. The table above shows 2.9 WAR in 548 PA, but the ZiPS on his player page shows 2.3 WAR in 642 PA, yet with the same slash line and counting stats. What would explain identical counting stats in 94 more projected PA?

Yer Main GuyMember since 2024
6 months ago
Reply to  david h

Just speculation, but he plays multiple positions, so could there be a difference in expected playing time by position?

david hMember since 2025
6 months ago
Reply to  Yer Main Guy

But how would that explain the exact same projected totals for HR, R, RBI, 2B, 3B, SB, SO, BB over 94 more plate appearances? It’s odd.

timtomakethedonutsMember since 2025
6 months ago

just a formatting nitpick. having the player write-up above the player table is throwing me off. seems to be the opposite of most fg pieces.

a great read nonetheless. thank you.

TKDCMember since 2016
6 months ago

Marsee looked great last year. It has shades of Michael Harris II where I just don’t see where the mediocre prospect rating for defense comes from. Of course since he’s now the same age as Harris II, there’s probably a little less juice in his upside.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 months ago
Reply to  TKDC

Harrison Bader mostly got 50s for his defense from prospect analysts.

Miguel Andujar also mostly got 50s for his defense from prospect analysts.

The fact is that scouting is really hard, and the eye test is often wrong for defense. Clay Davenport’s minor league defensive marks are basically the only thing I’ve seen that is predictive. And once you start getting good defensive metrics in MLB I mostly ignore everything that came before it.

anthonydwMember since 2024
6 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yep, It’s one of my credos: don’t believe the scouting on minor league defense. A few scouts seeing a guy a few times on good/bad days just doesn’t translate. I recall Bader well but numerous other similar cases: the call-up comes and eyes and stats say “this guy is nothing like scouting reports said he’d be w/ his glove.”

OddBall Herrera
6 months ago

And now Holliday has a broken hamate. That’s going to eat into several months of whatever progress we might’ve hoped he’d make.

jtricheyMember since 2021
6 months ago

It’s well in the lead for this year’s Injury of the Year with Lindor and Corbin Carroll already suffering too.

OddBall Herrera
6 months ago
Reply to  jtrichey

I’m beginning to suspect broken hamates are some sort of social contagion

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
6 months ago

I guess it’s conceivable they’re all consulting the same few doctors, and diagnoses are definitely susceptible to a bit of recency bias. But probably more likely they just all hurt their hands playing the sport where you repeatedly catch a hard ball.

raregokusMember since 2022
6 months ago

Don’t hamate injuries typically occur when hitting, not fielding?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 months ago

Re: Zach Ehrhard:

That whole “don’t trade with the Rays” thing is out of date, now it’s “don’t trade with the Dodgers.” He started hitting *immediately* once he got to the Dodgers organization.

This might not be so conspicuous but James Tibbs *also* starting hitting the moment the Red Sox traded him to the Dodgers.

So either something is seriously up with the Dodgers’ AA affiliate or you shouldn’t trade with the Dodgers.

Especially since Dustin May was a replacement level pitcher for the Red Sox.

MoMember since 2024
6 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Or maybe the lesson is ‘always trade with the Red Sox’

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 months ago
Reply to  Mo

Let’s see how Devers’ back holds up, but if it does that seems like a pretty fair assessment as well. The Oviedo and Hicks trades were super weird, and they gave up a lot in the Gray deal. The Contreras deal was probably good for them, but the Cardinals had the no-trade clause to deal with.

I liked the Durbin deal a lot.

The Crochet deal was a win-win, so even though the Red Sox probably got more out of the deal you could still say the White Sox were right to trade with them.

But the Dodgers…has anyone traded with the Dodgers recently and come out better on the other side?

The Reds have made a tradition of acquiring guys who aren’t good enough to make the Dodgers’ roster anymore. When they traded for Gavin Lux it was 100% a “here we go again” moment.

The one exception is that if you’re trading not a lot to the Dodgers in exchange for one of their younger prospects with power potential. That’s how Yordan Alvarez and Oneil Cruz wound up on their current teams.

Memo to front offices: If the Dodgers call you up and ask for your reliever and they offer you Alex Freeland in return you should turn them down and ask for Chase Harlan instead.

cashgod27Member since 2024
6 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The Dodgers did give up a pretty good reliever in Braydon Fisher for a DFA’d Cavan Biggio, but that’s the only clear mistake I can think of them making recently.

Even the Yankees, who are very good at trading, gave up a decent pitching prospect in Christian Zazueta for Caleb Ferguson, who was a bust.

Eamus CatuliMember since 2026
6 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

But the Dodgers…has anyone traded with the Dodgers recently and come out better on the other side?

Michael Busch worked out pretty good, even if Hope and Ferris look like pretty solid prospects.

MTfor42Member since 2025
6 months ago
Reply to  Eamus Catuli

Time might shift this to LA a bit, but Busch is a hitting machine in MLB right now. Even as a Dodger fan, this deal was good for the Cubs.

PC1970Member since 2024
6 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

For a minute it looked like Detroit had “stolen” Thayron Liranzo in the Flaherty trade (& then re-signed Flaherty that offseason too!), but, here is Liranzo, 3rd on the downward arrow list.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 months ago
Reply to  PC1970

I still think that one could turn out well for them. The bar for catching is so low that if he can polish the defense enough to let his natural arm strength play he could be plus back there.

There are a lot of guys who were TTO catchers who weren’t really good enough to stick there long-term like Napoli, Alex Avila, and Mitch Garver. But when they put it all together they can be a primary catcher in the Jarrod Saltalamacchia mold.

And Saltalamacchia is a good comp for other reasons too. They’re pretty similar in terms of size and handedness and the fact that they have a lot of work to do defensively despite having a ton of tools. He didn’t put it together until he got to Boston at age 26, before that he looked terrible. And then from 2011-2013 he was a starting-caliber catcher in a league where there were only about 12 of them.

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
6 months ago
Reply to  Mo

It can be two things!

L. Ron HoyabembeMember since 2026
6 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Anybody know where to find current info on minor league run environments? I see in 2025 the Texas League had a 4.21 ERA versus 3.85 for the Eastern League.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 months ago

The big issue is that sometimes the home stadium diverges pretty significantly from the rest of the league. Minor league wRC+ is league adjusted so when someone is playing at AA Reading they often will put up crazy numbers and it’s a creation of the home stadium. But I don’t remember most of them anymore.

jaysfan39Member
6 months ago

Baseball America does a minor league park factors list.

The Texas league is weird in that there are a lot of extreme parks with some being hitter havens and some being brutal for hitters so that BAs park factors for all AA parks the two best hitter parks and the two worst hitter parks are both in the Texas League.

The Dodgers AA teams park factors according to BAs calculations are pretty neutral compared to all other AA parks

Runs PF 96
HR PF 112
BABIP PF 95
Total PF 100

hopbittersMember since 2020
6 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

They call him Mister Tibbs.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
6 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

That’s an interesting point about not trading with the Dodgers, but I’ve also seen a few people around here ask exactly who the Dodgers have developed over the past few years. Something isn’t adding up – if they are good at developing but still not producing players, does that mean they aren’t drafting properly?

NATS FanMember since 2018
6 months ago

“ baseball-equipment-fetish cosplay.” a very funny line

NATS FanMember since 2018
6 months ago

Shew No Nats on the decline list!

Scotty GMember since 2020
6 months ago

Remember five years ago when we were debating if Kelenic or Julio Rodriguez would be the better all-star outfielder for the M’s?

bookbookMember since 2024
6 months ago
Reply to  Scotty G

Many Twitter M’s fans still can’t tell which of the two is the better Quad-A outfielder. We do a lot of SABR-sliderule-fetish cosplay in the PNW (to paraphrase Mr. ZiPS)

GreggMember since 2020
6 months ago

I have updated my last will and testament to begin with “And now, the frowny portion of our proceedings.”

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 months ago

The Orioles magic with position players looked like it was going to last for a while, and it didn’t. Gunnar and Adley were drafted in 2019, Westburg in 2020. Those guys were awesome. Kyle Stowers broke out last year too (I’m kind of surprised he wasn’t on the gainers list).

And then they had this stacked farm system of guys they drafted from 2020-2023 and it’s basically an entire list of guys Dan mentioned in that paragraph:

Joining [Enrique] Bradfield are Jackson Holliday, Heston Kjerstad, Colton Cowser, and…Coby Mayo… 

Half of these guys have a shot at redemption, plus Dylan Beavers. But I’m not seeing it for Kjerstad and Mayo.

bookbookMember since 2024
6 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

A wee bit painful that Adley is one of the few unadulterated success stories of the O’s development program. THAT was the guy who was supposed to be fighting for MVP awards while wearing the tools of ignorance….

JayMember since 2023
6 months ago

The Greek tragedy of Szymborski. Blessed by Apollo with the gift of prophecy, but his glimpses into the future reveal only sorrows for his favorite baseball team.

krusherkovalev55Member since 2026
6 months ago

def expected to see Maikel Garcia on here but I guess his floor was probably high enough all ready due to defense that moving to a league averageish bat going forward wasn’t enough to boost his projections as much as I expected

j dMember since 2022
6 months ago

The Brady Anderson comp for Marsee is a huge reach (imo)/ Anderson was a hell of a player for a decade (not even counting that one year…) but Kurtz being compared to McGwire, Jimmie Foxx and Boog Powell. Those three mashed, the future looks very bright for Kurtz.

dl80Member since 2026
6 months ago
Reply to  j d

It depends on when you think he started using. He was a bad hitter for more than 1200 PA until a sudden doubling of his ISO.

MTfor42Member since 2025
6 months ago

“Raleigh has surprisingly started to build a legitimate Hall of Fame case. It’s certainly helpful that he’s a real catcher, not a DH engaging in some baseball-equipment-fetish cosplay.”

the exact kind of spicy, chuckle inducing humor I like, sprinkled in my rigorous analytics.

Last edited 6 months ago by MTfor42
Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
6 months ago

Aaron Judge has always been underrated. ZiPS may finally be recognizing his abilities

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
6 months ago

This is a cruel list for fans of the Orioles. it wasn’t long ago that the players who still have a lot to prove, I won’t use the B word yet, that we see here were being touted as the future of the next great Orioles team.