2017 Trade Value: #11 to #20

(Photo: Keith Allison)
Welcome to the fifth installment of this year’s Trade Value series; you can find links to the previous four posts above. If you’re not familiar with this project, there’s an explanation of the process in the HM post, so that’s the best place to start.
As a reminder for those who don’t like clicking links, however, the five-year WAR projections are based on Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS forecasts, though the players aren’t ranked based on those projections; these figures are included merely as a piece of information to help round out the picture. The guaranteed-dollars line measures the amount of money the player is owed outside of team options or arbitration years; for most of these guys, team options are very likely to be exercised, and many of them will end up making more than the guaranteed-dollars number reports.
Now let’s turn our attention to today’s 10 players, as we get ever so close to the top 10.
| Team Control WAR Total | +14.7 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | – |
| Team Control Through | 2021 |
| Previous Rank | – |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2018 | 25 | +3.8 | Pre-Arb |
| 2019 | 26 | +3.6 | Arb1 |
| 2020 | 27 | +3.7 | Arb2 |
| 2021 | 28 | +3.7 | Arb3 |
In writing up the Mets’ young outfielder over the winter, Tony Blengino wrote the following:
Michael Conforto has arrived at a career crossroads. There’s no reason that he cannot be one of the better hitters in the NL, if he can moderate his budding extreme-pulling tendency and become a tough out against left-handed pitching.
Let’s take a look at how Conforto is developing along those lines:
| Year | 2015 | 2016 | 2017 |
|---|---|---|---|
| Pull% | 46% | 43% | 30% |
| wOBA vs LHB | 0.222 | 0.142 | 0.375 |
Check and check. Conforto’s made the adjustments necessary to take a step forward, and so far this year, he’s even gotten rid of his infield-fly problem from the last few years, allowing his BABIP to rise significantly. Conforto’s not as good as his current 148 wRC+, in all likelihood, but he does indeed look like one of the better hitting outfielders in the game right now. Toss in better-than-expected defense, and the 24-year-old looks like the franchise player the Mets were hoping he’d become a couple of years ago.
It’s just half a season, of course, so there’s plenty of risk here. But there aren’t that many hitters in the game who have his offensive upside and can add some value on defense, so while this feels like an aggressive ranking to me — I originally expected him to be in the 30-50 range — I do think the Mets would be able to land a pretty impressive haul for him if they were willing to make him available.
| Five-Year WAR | +15.8 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | – |
| Team Control Through | 2022 |
| Previous Rank | – |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2018 | 26 | +3.2 | Pre-Arb |
| 2019 | 27 | +3.3 | Pre-Arb |
| 2020 | 28 | +3.2 | Arb1 |
| 2021 | 29 | +3.2 | Arb2 |
| 2022 | 30 | +3.0 | Arb3 |
Here’s another player I went in thinking would be 20 spots lower than this. When putting the list together, though, I couldn’t justify moving him down any further. Contreras’ value is tied up in doing lots of things well, so while he might not be the best catcher at any specific thing, he also doesn’t have any glaring weaknesses. Even his biggest offensive weakness (his low contact rate) wasn’t an issue in the minors, and the Cubs have had success at helping hitters make more contact than they did in their first few years.
He’s also a significantly better athlete than most catchers, so this isn’t a situation where the value is tied up in the positional adjustment; Contreras could still have a good career even if he was forced out from behind the plate. He’d have to become a quality defensive outfielder, since the bat isn’t elite or anything, but there’s at least a higher floor here than with other young catchers who instantly lose a ton of value if they have to change positions.
The other reason he ended up climbing this list is that the current group of young catchers in baseball is, to be blunt, terrible. With the old guard of elite catchers declining with age, the young guys have mostly not developed into suitable replacements, and there are a lot of teams out there looking for catchers-of-the-present-and-future. While third base and shortstop are loaded relative to historical norms, Contreras is one of just a few good young catchers in MLB right now, and that would play into his trade value if he were available.
| Team Control WAR Total | +10.0 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | – |
| Team Control Through | 2020 |
| Previous Rank | #30 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2018 | 28 | +3.5 | Arb2 |
| 2019 | 29 | +3.4 | Arb3 |
| 2020 | 30 | +3.2 | Arb4 |
Speaking of position switches, here’s a case where a change in position actually did have a significant impact on a player’s value. In most cases, it doesn’t make a huge difference at which position a player is placed, as the change in his fielding metrics is often offset by the change in baseline expectations from the new position. But in this case, Springer — a guy who has played almost exclusively right field in the majors to this point — has performed well enough in center field to be seen as a legitimate option there, and while he was already a very good player in right field, the bat makes him pretty darn special in center.
Springer won’t keep hitting like he’s hitting now — the only guy ahead of him in HR/FB ratio is Aaron Judge — but he looks like he’s taken a legitimate step forward offensively at the same time he’s shown he can play a more difficult position. His .395 xwOBA isn’t that far off his .414 mark, so he’s not just getting a bunch of cheap homers that would have otherwise been outs from his home park. As great as his middle-infield teammates are, there’s a pretty good argument that Springer has been the Astros’ best player this year.
The downside for his trade value is that he only has three more years of control after this one, and as a Super Two guy, his arbitration salaries are going to climb quickly, especially after this monster season. But in terms of short-term value, there aren’t many better bets than a 27-year-old center field who can hit like a first baseman.
| Five-Year WAR | +21.3 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | $85.6 M |
| Team Control Through | 2022 |
| Previous Rank | #19 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2018 | 31 | +5.1 | $21.4 M |
| 2019 | 32 | +4.6 | $21.4 M |
| 2020 | 33 | +4.1 | $21.4 M |
| 2021 | 34 | +4.1 | $21.4 M |
| 2022 | 35 | +3.5 | $22.0 M |
The 2017 Giants kind of stink, but it’s not their franchise catcher’s fault. Even at age 30, Posey has again established himself as an elite hitter, shaking off questions about whether all that time behind the plate was beginning to have negative consequences. With a 142 wRC+ — which would tie for the second-best mark of his career — Posey continues to show that he’s got the kind of offensive profile that should age pretty well, and he’ll still be valuable even when he stops catching.
Now, granted, he’s going to lose value when he eventually moves to first base full-time. And at $21 million per year, he’s not exactly cheap. But for what Posey is, that remains a huge bargain. He’s an elite player, one of the most valuable all-around stars in the game, and you can’t buy what he brings to a team for anything close to $20 million a year. So, like Max Scherzer, while his age and salary might prevent a number of teams from being interested, teams with sizable payrolls and a desire to win now would be all over Posey if the Giants made him available.
But the Giants will keep their best player, because without him, they wouldn’t just kind of stink. They’d be awful.
| Team Control WAR Total | +15.5 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | $13.8 M |
| Team Control Through | 2021 |
| Previous Rank | #21 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2018 | 29 | +4.1 | $6.3 M |
| 2019 | 30 | +3.9 | $7.5 M |
| 2020 | 31 | +3.8 | $9.0 M |
| 2021 | 32 | +3.8 | $11.0 M |
If you still prefer ERA as your pitcher-evaluation tool of choice, this one might annoy you a little bit. Since the start of the 2016 season, Archer’s 4.00 ERA ranks 47th out of 88 starters who have thrown at least 200 innings, right behind Jeremy Hellickson. And there’s no question that some of his struggles are of his own accord, as Archer is again allowing some of the hardest contact in baseball. But we’re still talking about a durable 28-year-old running strikeout rates near 30% while holding his walks down and getting last year’s home-run problem in check this season. Contact quality is something that can be improved, while Archer’s level of strike-zone dominance remains pretty rare.
And, of course, there’s the contract. Assuming both of the club options are exercised, he’ll make $34 million over the next four years, or just a little more than Brett Cecil got as a free agent this past winter. Even if he keeps underpeforming his peripherals, he’s still a very good pitcher making basically nothing. If all the ERA estimators that expect his results to improve pretty significantly are right, then he’s a frontline starter making middle-reliever money.
With the Rays in contention this year, we probably won’t find out just what kind of absurd package Archer would bring back in a trade. It will be interesting to see if they shop him over the winter, though; a trade out of Tampa feels somewhat inevitable, especially with how many teams are dying to make a trade for a controllable starter of this ilk.
| Five-Year WAR | +19.5 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | $21.4 M |
| Team Control Through | 2023 |
| Previous Rank | – |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2018 | 25 | +3.8 | $2.4 M |
| 2019 | 26 | +3.8 | $3.8 M |
| 2020 | 27 | +3.9 | $6.2 M |
| 2021 | 28 | +3.9 | $9.0 M |
| 2022 | 29 | +4.1 | $11.0 M |
A few years ago, Jose Ramirez posted an .077 ISO in Double-A. His contact skills and defense got him to the big leagues, but he was the definition of a slap hitter. His average exit velocity was just 85 mph, and his 88 mph EV on balls in the air put him in the same group as Nori Aoki, Erick Aybar, and Dee Gordon.
This year, he has 49 extra-base hits in 86 games. He’s slugging .601, the fifth-highest mark in baseball. He had 19 career home runs coming into this year; he’s already at 17 this season.
Some of this is the product of legitimate change. Ramirez has an average EV of 90 mph now, and he’s at 92 mph on balls in the air, so he’s just hitting the ball much harder than he used to. But there’s some noise here too; he has one of the largest gaps between his xwOBA (.365) and his actual wOBA (.409) in all of baseball. Of course, a .365 wOBA from a 24-year-old with the skills to play the middle infield or be an elite defensive third baseman is still a really nice thing to have, but while it’s tempting to look at Ramirez’s current line and claim he should be higher, he’s almost certainly not this good.
But even if he settles in as a +4 WAR player, as ZIPS expects, that’s still a remarkably valuable young player. And given that he just signed a long-term extension that’ll keep him in Cleveland through 2023 and includes just $26 million in guaranteed money, Ramirez is likely going to be one of the most underpaid stars in baseball for the foreseeable future. If you’re a team on a shoestring budget, Ramirez is probably even more valuable than many of the guys ranked ahead of him, all of whom will cost far more once they start getting paid in arbitration.
So, yeah, Jose Ramirez has become a fantastic player, and is now signed to one of the most team-friendly deals in baseball. If he keeps this up for another year, he’ll easily be in the top 10, and maybe top 5. Right now, there’s still some skepticism about how much of this power spike he’ll retain, but he’s clearly a better player than anyone expected him to become, and we should probably stop putting a ceiling on him at this point.
| Team Control WAR Total | +17.4 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | $86.0 M |
| Team Control Through | 2021 |
| Previous Rank | – |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2018 | 28 | +4.5 | $21.0 M |
| 2019 | 29 | +4.4 | $21.0 M |
| 2020 | 30 | +4.3 | $22.0 M |
| 2021 | 31 | +4.3 | $22.0 M |
A year ago, I didn’t put Freddie Freeman on this list. It sounds insane now, but at that point, he was hitting .286/.373/.518, good for a 131 wRC+, coming off a year where he put up a 132 wRC+ and was worth +3.4 WAR. He was clearly a very good player, but he was making $20 million a year and still looked mostly like an underpowered first baseman whose primary skills were getting on base and hitting doubles, which the league hasn’t always rewarded.
Well, since being omitted from last year’s list, Freeman has hit .333/.442/.667, the best mark of any hitter in baseball during that span. Freeman’s put up nearly +7 WAR despite playing just 115 games in the last year, and he’s in the conversation for best non-Trout hitter in baseball.
So, yeah. Whoops. Freddie Freeman is really good. Like Posey, he’s not as cheap as many of the other guys in this range, but he’s a huge bargain for what he’s become. Just 27, and with the kind of offensive game that makes him almost impossible to get out, Freeman is the kind of hitter that teams just can’t acquire these days; you just have to hope you develop one internally. The Braves have found their offensive superstar, and they’ll happily keep him, no matter what kinds of silly packages other teams would offer to try and get him out of Atlanta.
| Five-Year WAR | +21.1 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | $46.0 M |
| Team Control Through | 2023 |
| Previous Rank | #50 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2018 | 26 | +4.2 | $11.5 M |
| 2019 | 27 | +4.3 | $11.5 M |
| 2020 | 28 | +4.4 | $11.5 M |
| 2021 | 29 | +4.4 | $11.5 M |
| 2022 | 30 | +3.9 | $17.5 M |
A 25-year-old who gets strikeouts, ground balls, and generates some of the weakest contact of any pitcher in baseball, Martinez has most of what you need to be a legitimate ace. If he can figure out how to get left-handers out, there could be a Scherzer-esque jump from good pitcher to great pitcher in his future.
Even so, he’s one of the most valuable players in the game. There aren’t that many 25-year-old +4 WAR pitchers around as is, but the $51 million extension he took from the Cardinals this spring gives the Cardinals a remarkable bargain. At $11.5 million in annual salary, Martinez makes less than what it cost to sign Bartolo Colon last winter. Any time you can get a guy this good for innings-eater money, you’re doing pretty well for yourself.
And if Martinez manages both to stay healthy and take another step forward in his development — unlikely that both happen, but at least possible — he’d come with as much future value as anyone in the game. He’s one of just a few players on this list to be controlled for six years after this one, so the extension he signed with St. Louis effectively resets his clock to as if he were a rookie called up after the service-time date passed for this year. Maybe he never makes that improvement, or maybe his arm blows up and he’s happy to have gotten the guaranteed money when he could, but it’s legitimately hard to remember a more team-friendly extension than the one Martinez just gave the Cardinals this spring.
| Five-Year WAR | +21.3 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | – |
| Team Control Through | 2022 |
| Previous Rank | – |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2018 | 25 | +4.0 | Pre-Arb |
| 2019 | 26 | +4.1 | Pre-Arb |
| 2020 | 27 | +4.4 | Arb1 |
| 2021 | 28 | +4.4 | Arb2 |
| 2022 | 29 | +4.5 | Arb3 |
It was always going to be impossible for Sanchez to live up to last year’s debut, but let’s not overlook what he’s doing this year: this is a 24-year-old catcher putting up a 127 wRC+. That’s a pretty special thing, especially given that Sanchez also has one of the best throwing arms in the game and adds real value in how well he controls the running game. He isn’t Mike Napoli. Sanchez is a catcher who also happens to hit the crap out of the ball.
That said, there are enough red flags to keep him out of the top tier for now. He’s one of the most extreme pull hitters in baseball, and you’ll note that the guys he’s hanging out with aren’t running BABIPs over .300. Toss in the pop-up problem and a below-average contact rate, and it’s easy to see Sanchez running a .240 batting average one of these years.
But the power is top-shelf, and should carry the rest of his offensive game, even if he turns out to be a low-average slugger. The size presents concerns about his future position, but he’s good enough behind the plate now that it’s not a short-term concern, and he should be able to catch for most of his controlled years. As long as he stays athletic enough to stick behind the plate, with this kind of offensive ability, he’ll be one of the game’s best catchers.
| Five-Year WAR | +19.1 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | – |
| Team Control Through | 2023 |
| Previous Rank | – |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2018 | 22 | +2.3 | Pre-Arb |
| 2019 | 23 | +3.3 | Pre-Arb |
| 2020 | 24 | +4.4 | Arb1 |
| 2021 | 25 | +4.4 | Arb2 |
| 2022 | 26 | +4.6 | Arb3 |
Bellinger is one unique dude. He’s a first baseman by trade, but Statcast has him down as one of the fastest players in baseball, and his athleticism has led to some speculation that he could actually play center if needed. Twenty-one-year-olds who can at least generate discussion about playing an up-the-middle position don’t generally have this kind of power.
Bellinger, of course, won’t average 58 homers per 162 games for much longer. But his swing is made for loft, and Bellinger certainly looks like a guy who can be an elite slugger for the foreseeable future. This kind of power, mixed with his athletic ability, at this age, is almost unheard of.
But we’re also just a half-year into his big-league career. There’s probably an adjustment period coming, and we don’t know for sure how he’ll handle it. As a pull-heavy lefty with a 67% contact rate, he’s going to run into the same problems maintaining his average and OBP that Kyle Schwarber ran into this year. There’s a reason ZiPS and Steamer are projecting him to hit .245 the rest of the season. The expectation should be that he’s going to regress quite a bit in the second half, and that’s perfectly okay.
Because even as just a good hitter now instead of a great one, there’s obvious star potential here. Whether he’s an elite defensive first baseman or uses his speed to turn into a quality defensive outfielder with more work out there, Bellinger isn’t just a bat-only slugger. He’s a masher who should help in every area of the game, and it’s nearly impossible to imagine the Dodgers trading him at this point.
| Rk | Pv | Player | Age | 2018 | 2019 | 2020 | 2021 | 2022 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 11 | – | Cody Bellinger | 21 | +2.3 Pre-Arb |
+3.3 Pre-Arb |
+4.4 Arb1 |
+4.4 Arb2 |
+4.6 Arb3 |
| 12 | – | Gary Sanchez | 24 | +4.0 Pre-Arb |
+4.1 Pre-Arb |
+4.4 Arb1 |
+4.4 Arb2 |
+4.5 Arb3 |
| 13 | 50 | Carlos Martinez | 25 | +4.2 $11.5 M |
+4.3 $11.5 M |
+4.4 $11.5 M |
+4.4 $11.5 M |
+3.9 $17.5 M |
| 14 | – | Freddie Freeman | 27 | +4.5 $21.0 M |
+4.4 $21.0 M |
+4.3 $22.0 M |
+4.3 $22.0 M |
|
| 15 | – | Jose Ramirez | 24 | +3.8 $2.4 M |
+3.8 $3.8 M |
+3.9 $6.2 M |
+3.9 $9.0 M |
+4.1 $11.0 M |
| 16 | 21 | Chris Archer | 28 | +4.1 $6.3 M |
+3.9 $7.5 M |
+3.8 $9.0 M |
+3.8 $11.0 M |
|
| 17 | 19 | Buster Posey | 30 | +5.1 $21.4 M |
+4.6 $21.4 M |
+4.1 $21.4 M |
+4.1 $21.4 M |
+3.5 $22.0 M |
| 18 | 30 | George Springer | 27 | +3.5 Arb2 |
+3.4 Arb3 |
+3.2 Arb4 |
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| 19 | – | Willson Contreras | 25 | +3.2 Pre-Arb |
+3.3 Pre-Arb |
+3.2 Arb1 |
+3.2 Arb2 |
+3.0 Arb3 |
| 20 | – | Michael Conforto | 24 | +3.8 Pre-Arb |
+3.6 Arb1 |
+3.7 Arb2 |
+3.7 Arb3 |
|
| 21 | 15 | Chris Sale | 28 | +6.1 $12.5 M |
+6.2 $15.0 M |
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| 22 | – | Michael Fulmer | 24 | +3.7 Pre-Arb |
+3.9 Arb1 |
+4.1 Arb2 |
+4.1 Arb3 |
+3.7 Arb4 |
| 23 | 9 | Paul Goldschmidt | 29 | +4.8 $11.0 M |
+4.6 $14.5 M |
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| 24 | 13 | Jose Altuve | 27 | +5.8 $6.0 M |
+5.1 $6.5 M |
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| 25 | 32 | Miguel Sano | 24 | +2.9 Pre-Arb |
+3.0 Arb1 |
+3.0 Arb2 |
+3.0 Arb3 |
|
| 26 | 38 | Andrew Benintendi | 22 | +2.2 Pre-Arb |
+2.9 Pre-Arb |
+3.1 Arb1 |
+3.1 Arb2 |
+3.1 Arb3 |
| 27 | 23 | Christian Yelich | 25 | +3.6 $7.0 M |
+3.5 $9.8 M |
+3.5 $12.5 M |
+3.5 $14.0 M |
+3.2 $15.0 M |
| 28 | 27 | Carlos Carrasco | 30 | +3.7 $8.0 M |
+3.4 $9.0 M |
+3.2 $9.5 M |
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| 29 | 40 | Lance McCullers | 23 | +3.0 Arb1 |
+3.2 Arb2 |
+3.3 Arb3 |
+3.3 Arb4 |
|
| 30 | 49 | Jon Gray | 25 | +3.2 Pre-Arb |
+3.5 Arb1 |
+3.6 Arb2 |
+3.6 Arb3 |
|
| 31 | 8 | Nolan Arenado | 26 | +4.9 $17.8 M |
+5.0 Arb4 |
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| 32 | 16 | Madison Bumgarner | 27 | +5.2 $12.0 M |
+5.2 $12.0 M |
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| 33 | – | Max Scherzer | 32 | +5.5 $15.0 M |
+5.1 $35.0 M |
+4.6 $35.0 M |
+4.6 $35.0 M |
|
| 34 | 12 | Noah Syndergaard | 24 | +4.7 Arb1 |
+4.9 Arb2 |
+5.0 Arb3 |
+5.0 Arb4 |
|
| 35 | – | Luis Severino | 23 | +2.5 Pre-Arb |
+2.9 Arb1 |
+3.1 Arb2 |
+3.1 Arb3 |
+2.8 Arb4 |
| 36 | – | Jameson Taillon | 25 | +2.2 Pre-Arb |
+2.4 Pre-Arb |
+2.3 Arb1 |
+2.3 Arb2 |
+2.2 Arb3 |
| 37 | 22 | Jacob deGrom | 29 | +3.2 Arb2 |
+3.0 Arb3 |
+2.8 Arb4 |
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| 38 | 37 | Alex Bregman | 23 | +3.5 Pre-Arb |
+3.8 Pre-Arb |
+3.8 Arb1 |
+3.8 Arb2 |
+4.0 Arb3 |
| 39 | – | Ender Inciarte | 26 | +3.7 $4.0 M |
+3.5 $5.0 M |
+3.4 $7.0 M |
+3.4 $8.0 M |
+3.3 $9.0 M |
| 40 | 31 | Addison Russell | 23 | +4.2 Arb1 |
+4.6 Arb2 |
+4.5 Arb3 |
+4.5 Arb4 |
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| 41 | 26 | Yoan Moncada | 22 | +2.2 Pre-Arb |
+3.1 Pre-Arb |
+3.6 Pre-Arb |
+3.6 Arb1 |
+3.8 Arb2 |
| 42 | 25 | Jose Quintana | 28 | +3.8 $8.8 M |
+3.8 $10.5 M |
+3.6 $10.5 M |
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| 43 | – | Robbie Ray | 25 | +3.4 Arb1 |
+3.5 Arb2 |
+3.7 Arb3 |
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| 44 | – | Anthony Rendon | 27 | +4.4 Arb3 |
+4.2 Arb4 |
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| 45 | 20 | Xander Bogaerts | 24 | +3.8 Arb2 |
+3.6 Arb3 |
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| 46 | 28 | Jackie Bradley Jr. | 27 | +3.2 Arb2 |
+2.9 Arb3 |
+2.8 Arb4 |
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| 47 | – | Marcus Stroman | 26 | +2.2 Arb2 |
+2.5 Arb3 |
+2.5 Arb4 |
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| 48 | – | James Paxton | 28 | +2.8 Arb2 |
+2.9 Arb3 |
+2.8 Arb4 |
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| 49 | – | Aaron Nola | 24 | +2.9 Pre-Arb |
+3.2 Arb1 |
+3.3 Arb2 |
+3.0 Arb3 |
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| 50 | 47 | Jake Lamb | 26 | +2.6 Arb1 |
+2.7 Arb2 |
+2.6 Arb3 |
Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.
I’m assuming Nick Markakis will be in the top 10. I don’t see how he can’t be.
Obviously the future first member of the 5,000 hit club has to be one of the best bargains in the game.
So I know HR/162 games means nothing besides exactly what it is, but I calculated it after looking at the leaderboard that was posted under Freddie Freeman’s section here. Over the past year, he is averaging 49 homers per 162 games. That’s the exact same pace that Aaron Judge and Gary Sanchez are on over the same time period. Hope he can stay healthy the rest of this year! Dude is a beast. Again, just for reference, HR/162games over the last year:
Freddie Freeman: 49
Aaron Judge: 49
Gary Sanchez: 49
Love the series so far! One thought on these rankings though – has Conforto really figured out lefties? I don’t watch the Mets, so maybe someone who’s watching closer would say he has based on a changed approach or something, but I’d be hesitant to say his statline backs it up. He only has 56 PAs against lefties this year as a product of a platoon, and his current line is the product of a .370 BABIP. He’s still striking out 30+% of the time as well.
Dunno, the whole situation is so weird that he’s been in the bigs 3 years now and still has a small sample size career wise against lefties.
It’s hard to say because Terry Collins still insists on platooning him, while allowing the desiccated husk of Curtis Granderson to roam center field.
I can just imagine Collins insisting: “Either Conforto goes, or I go!” And then the Mets trade Conforto for some older corner outfielder to play center field. All the while Sandy Alderson will cackle and say “take that, trade value prognosticator!”
I get the reason why you got upvoted, because it was funny, but Granderson has put up 1.4 war this season, and is a perfectly useful centerfielder. He has really turned it on lately, and he is a better defender than Conforto. Conforto needs to be in the lineup however, so they truly have 4 average + outfielders.
I mean…Grandy’s better defensively than Conforto, and an above average hitter.
Conversely, he’s gotten so little playing time against lefties it’s hard to definitively say he struggles against them at all. In 2015, needing any marginal win they could get, Mets took the conventional wisdom approach that a young lefty would struggle against lefties and just didn’t play him against them. In 2016, he struggled with his entire approach and it was worst against lefties. This year he’s drawing walks and hitting for power against them, just striking out a bit more, which I’d guess is typical of any lefty vs a lefty.
I guess the point is that they need to just roll him out there. The only thing we know for sure is that he’s destined to be a platoon player if he keeps getting platooned, and that wouldn’t be a result of him failing so badly it needed to happen.
I can get eight of the top ten for sure (Trout, Correa, Bryant, Rizzo, Judge, Betts, Lindor, Seager), and I’m guessing Votto is there since he’s basically a slightly better Freddie Freeman. But I have no idea who the tenth is.
I’d guess Treat Turner
Yeah, I’d say Kluber and Turner instead of Votto.
Exactly. Votto is excellent, but he is getting paid like he’s excellent.
Corey Kluber.
Votto won’t be on there. His age compared to Freeman is a huge difference I think.
Freeman is ranked #14. There’s a big drop from #14 to “not even honorably mentioned,” and I’d like to hear Dave’s reasoning on this. I’ve been harping on this in the comments the last few days, so I won’t say anything else.
His contract takes him to age 39/40 and he has a full no-trade clause which he’s said he won’t waive.
Ditto here, while his contract is relatively cheap on a per year basis, it’s long. We don’t tend to see guys on this list who are getting paid premiums to play until they’re near 40.
With that said, he probably should’ve been included as an honorable mention. I imagine to a fair number of teams he’d have significant trade value.
The whole “he won’t waive his no trade clause” has never been a factor is Dave’s rankings. Yes, Votto has a 0% chance of being traded (if he sticks to his guns on that), but that’s also true for a lot of the guys listed.
Freeman is guaranteed $86M for his Age 28-31 seasons
Votto is guaranteed $150M for his Age 34-39 seasons
It’s not even close in value
In a vacuum, I agree, but Votto is a particularly amazing 33 year old. I’d like to see his ZIPS projections compared to Freeman’s.
I honestly don’t see the additional years as a likely negative. Quite the opposite. $25 million in 2022/23 will, conservatively, buy you an average player (2 WAR). I’m not betting against Votto being at least that. Hell, I’d actually be surprised if they don’t pick up the option in 2024, because they’d basically be paying $13 million for Votto’s age 40 season, which will likely be about the cost of one win.
Edit: To be clear, they’d be paying $20 million in 2024, but since the analysis of his 34-39 seems to always include the buyout, looking at it that way seems like double counting.
There is a reason Votto hasn’t already been traded by the Reds, and that is he is more valuable serving as a bridge cornerstone and top “now” performer than the likely surprisingly small trade return they would get.
Votto is going to get paid a ton of money from age 34 to 39/40, at a position that this past winter seemed to take a step back in terms of “value” to teams in FA. That means many, many teams wouldn’t even be able to consider him, and any team that could afford him would have to think long and hard about how to fit him into the budget AND how to deal with his likely decline phase.
I think the right teams would give up something and take on the contract, and something fairly significant if some contract eating were to occur, but it’s hard to see him garnering much if traded as is.
He hasn’t been traded by the Reds because he has a no-trade clause and has shown no interest in revoking it. Otherwise he’d probably be a Blue Jay by now.
As much as it seems that Votto will age better than all the other superstars due to him being smarter than the rest of the superstars, there is no real science behind that. Miggy and Pujols were the two best hitters of the 2000s, and they both fell off a cliff.
Saying that Cabrera “fell off a cliff” because of a half-season of relative underperformance is pretty premature. He has produced elite offensive stats every single year of his career except his shortened debut season and this one.
I agree, he has not fell of a cliff yet. Sort of overstated it.
But he has tripped.
Your application to join the Corey Kluber Society has been received, reviewed, carefully considered, and rejected with prejudice.
Wow, I did not realize his contract was that bananas. I am disappointed, but I respect your decision.
In the Carlos Martinez blurb, it’s that he took a team-friendly extension, which could be even more team-friendly if he takes the next step.
What’s crazy is that Kluber took a team-friendly extension after he broke out in 2014. Now, Kluber’s older, but the extension was for less guaranteed money.
Pablo Sandoval
Gotta be Melvin Upton Jr.
So going to deserve a downvote for this, but after my fantasy league’s trade deadline binge last night, I have three of these guys on my team as keepers for next year. Yes, I’m likely going to finish at the bottom of my league this year, but I am set up to dominate for the next few years with cheap production.
Congrats! Now go find a mirror so you can tell the one person who cares.
Folks reading articles about economic principles applied to baseball stats do not get to lord over the stupidity of other people’s hobbies.
There’s a difference between
a) Your hobby is stupid.
b) I’m not interested in hearing about your hobby.
I think you go out your way to hear ‘a’. When most people are saying ‘b’.
But if you’re into listening to strangers talk about their hobbies regardless of context: I saw my first Burrowing Owl last weekend. It was awesome!
Actually, that does sound kind of cool to me. But, I like owls.
And I think the downvotes of the initial comment communicate what you’re saying just fine, without the need to ~say mean things~ without reason, just for the sake of saying them.
There are aspects of life where being mean can be warranted. I don’t think this is one of them.
More to the point, given how MASSIVE the portion of the FG audience is that also plays fantasy it seems petty to downvote comments that reference it. And downright snobbish to feel the need to try and play the “Some baseball nerds are better than other baseball nerds” card as if it has any meaning.
I think that’s actually the reason people do downvote it. Because fantasy talk could easily take over the whole place.
There are also many parts of the site specifically dedicated to it, including rotographs and at least 2 weekly chats.
As someone who plays fantasy, I like the bright line on the site between Fangraphs and Rotographs. A lot of us do, I think, and that’s why the fantasy stuff in Fangraphs comments gets hit so hard.
The funny thing is his comment would be downvoted into oblivion on Rotographs too. More relevant, sure. But still adding exactly zero value.
Seems there’s more skepticism for Jose Ramirez than Conforto, & I’m not certain that’s justified. Ramirez is continuing his breakout from last season, Conforto “may” have figured things out.
I’m not sure if Ramirez deserves to be moved up, Conforto down, or maybe both. But I feel Conforto doesn’t belong this close to Ramirez.
I tend to agree, but history matters. Conforto has always been a talented hitter; a huge offensive breakout makes sense and is awaited. When a guy like Ramirez randomly becomes awesome, it’s tough to fully buy it.
Conforto always ran a high wRC+ to center and the opposite field, but when he pulled the ball he usually drove it into the ground. This season he moved a few inches farther away from the plate with a less upright stance and is getting much better outcomes as a result. By contrast, I have no clue where Ramirez’s power came from or how long it will be staying. I think it’s fair to be skeptical of either one. It would be fun to assign confidence intervals to these players, because my perception is that this year’s list has more questions in the top half than in years past.
Ramirez gave several hints that he was probably underrated during his minor league career. I think the negative small player bias had a role in this. I would have him even higher.
What would those hints be? As far as I can recall, he was always viewed as a future utility infielder.
( Ramirez) “he’s almost certainly not this good.” I heard that line last year from a lot of people too.
Correa
Seager
Bryant
Trout
Lindor
Judge
Rizzo
Turner
Betts
Kluber
If I had to pick one Cubs player to lock up to a long-term deal, it’d be Willson. His rise has been fast–and he’s now he’s the everyday guy with Montero out and Caratini a bit too fresh. Contreras looks like a goddamn kangaroo behind the plate and needs to work on that a bit, but man oh man, he’s just so fun to watch.
A long-term deal would go a long way for this guy–could help get his Venezuelan family to America. I’d love to buy out his arb years and keep him behind the plate for the better part of the decade.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-cubs-willson-contreras-parents-venezuela-spt-0928-20160927-story.html
Its been fun to watch Dave’s opinion on Freddie Freeman, which really hasn’t ever changed. Even last year when he left Freddie off of the trade value list, his take was that Freddie was a good player who would be great if he could hit for more power. Well, Freddie started hitting for power and now Dave lists him as one of the best players in the game.
Without quibbling with the actual ranking, I don’t see how the Cubs ability to improve contact rates among their young players would improve Contreras’ trade value to other teams. With a trade, that fact would become immediately irrelevant.
It does if they improve his contact rate before they trade him, I think the comment was supposed to mean “If he makes more contact he could be even higher”
One thing I’ve been thinking about since the Chris Sale trade is if teams put a premium on superstars/very top end talent. I float this because Sale was 15th last year, and at the time, probably had a surplus value of ~$110m. Archer, ranked 16th here, has a surplus value of ~$105m. I can be convinced either way here, but would Archer field the same package as Sale? You’re getting an excellent pitcher in Archer, but you’re also not getting a top five arm (like Sale last year). Or does the value cancel it out [edit: and as I’m writing this the Sox get a huge, but fair, return for Quintana]
This is something similar to what I was thinking yesterday. Chris Sale is the rarity–a true ace on an affordable contract in a historic season with two more years of control. I can’t imagine that if they were traded today, he’d fetch less than Archer. BTW, this is not a knock on Archer who is a very good pitcher on a great contract, but the chance to acquire that type of talent that cheaply with that amount of control is pretty unusual. Aside from Kluber (whose production and contract are just ridiculous), I just can’t think of a pitcher with more value than Sale.
Agreed. It’s the same sort of thinking that inflates the market for relief pitching.
I don’t know about the rest of you, but the gap between Sanchez and Contreras seems very, very wide to me. I don’t know whether the gap between 12 and 19 is really that wide, or if GMs actually think Contreras is in the same class as Sanchez as a young player.
I would say the difference is in their floors. Sanchez’s floor is likely a good bit below where he’s currently playing. Contreras’ floor is probably much closer to where he is currently playing. With Sanchez, you’re taking a gamble. With Contreras, you more or less know what you’re getting. Maybe once Sanchez makes adjustments, he’ll be worth that much. But he’s still in the phase where the league is adjusting to him. That could change, but I choose to trust the predictive stats in this case.
I’m not quite following your point about floors and Sanchez making adjustments. He’s a 24 y/o catcher who has put up 5 WAR in 110 Gs at the ML level, including 1.7 WAR this year in just 53 games. He’s basically a ~5 WAR/season player already.
Yes, his performance in 2016 was unsustainable, but he has a 127 wRC+ in 2017. His defense could use some work (probably average-ish now, with potential for a slight improvement). But outside of that, I don’t see the need for an adjustment, or the fact that trading for him would be a gamble?
BTW Contreras is really awesome- 4.1 WAR over 155 games? That defense is outstanding, and even with a league average bat (103 wRC+ in 2017), he’s still mighty valuable.
I think anyone (hypothetically, obviously) trading for either player would know exactly what they are getting. A powerful slugger passable at catcher (Sanchez), or an awesome defensive catcher with a solid bat (Contreras).
One thing Contreras has not been good at this year: Framing. Unless the league’s GMs have decided that framing is yesterday’s news. Sanchez is about average.
From Cot’s:
15:$1M, 16:$4.5M, 17:$7.5M, 18:$10.5M, 19:$13M, 20:$13.5M club option ($1M buyout), 21:$14M club option ($1M buyout)
value of options may increase up to $4M each based on finish in 2015-19 Cy Young votes
That’s bananas. I figured that, at 31, maybe he was misplaced if he made it into the top 10. I mean, … pitchers, right?
But going into his age 32 season coming off of what should be a ~6-win season at $10.5M. 4 more years at a total of $52M. Even with WARs of 5, 4, 3, & 2, … that’s still a ton of surplus value.
To be clear – is that Kluber?
From 21-50, 2/3 of the guys were on the list last year. I’d expect a lot of volatility there. I expect 9 or 10 of the top 10 were on the list last year (not sure if Judge ranked).
But from 11-20, only 4 of the guys were listed last year and one was #50, last on the list. Is that a random hiccup? Is that a re-thinking of how teams value young stars? Is it that easy to have one good year and go from top prospect to huge trade value? Feels like some of these guys SHOULD have been ranked last year or they’ve jumped too fast. Seems like this out of sync with not listing many minor leaguers (I believe you said this in the intro.)
Having one good year at the MLB level is a pretty damn big step from crushing it in MiLB. A hefty portion of “trade value” is a guess at what tomorrow will bring, so young players who have proven _anything_ at all are terribly valuable.
I don’t get Super-Two status at all. Gary Sanchez will probably put up star-level production for the first 2.5 years of his career, but he has to wait another year to start arbitration? Who the hell is going to be more deserving than that?
Super Two has nothing to do with performance; it’s about how much service time a player has accrued. Players with 3+ years of service time are eligible for arbitration, and “players with between two and three years of service may be eligible [for arbitration] if they rank in the top 22% of service time among players with between two and three years of service.” That date is generally in late May / early June, and Sanchez was not called up (for good) until August 3rd last year. If they had kept him up when they called him up in May, then he’d be hitting Arb1 in 2019 (with 2022 being Arb4).
Now I sort of get Super Two status. Thanks; there were at least a couple people who found it unacceptable that I didn’t know.
Everyone’s excited to see how the top-10 shapes up.

Bellinger hasn’t played CF at all. You would think that this fact would be worth something at some point. There was a time when LAD had no CF options and they didn’t use him. I think he looks pretty sketchy in the OF in general. I would also bet against him being one of the fastest players in MLB. I know this is way off topic, but it felt like it deserved a comment.
Isn’t him being one of the fastest players a verified fact? Do you think the computers are broken?
It’s a brand new metric, so it’s certainly fair to be skeptical of its reported outcomes until we have more of a track record for both the methodology and the player. I have no problem believing that Bellinger is faster than expected, but it’s hard to believe that every single person who ever scouted him was completely wrong. Even Cody himself was shocked by the result.
But look at the other names around him. The other names all check out perefectly, from top to bottom.
Wow, ask and ye shall receive, eh Dave? (re: Quintana)
I’m not really understanding how Springer is this high on the list (now that I see his contract situation). I know this isn’t only based on the projections, but below him are a whole bunch of younger, cheaper, longer-controlled and comparably-good players. Is this based on half a year of a breakout?
For example, compare Yelich and Springer. Two more years of control, much lower salaries, two years younger, and similar projections (same defensive ability, and maybe more upside because of the strike zone control). Yet Yelich is 9 spots lower?