FanGraphs Audio: Craig Edwards Decries Lazy Cheating

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November 14, 2019

Episode 874

On this edition of FanGraphs Audio, I welcome Craig Edwards back to the program. Craig and I discuss the Astros sign-stealing scandal and how much is too much cheating in baseball, before we turn our attention to the offseason, the free agent market, the motivations of baseball owners, and the troubling trend of good teams seeming interested in shedding good players to reduce payrolls and avoid rich extensions.

You can read Craig on the Yankees’ payroll here.
You can read Craig on the Cubs’ potentially eschewing their window of contention here.
You can read Craig on the wisdom of the crowd when it comes to free agent contracts here.

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Meg is the managing editor of FanGraphs and the co-host of Effectively Wild. Prior to joining FanGraphs, her work appeared at Baseball Prospectus, Lookout Landing, and Just A Bit Outside. You can follow her on twitter @megrowler.

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Dr. Davemember
4 years ago

Suppose, hypothetically, that some MLB player had Jedi mind powers. If that player were to use those mind powers to influence umpire judgments regarding balls and strikes (“These are not the strikes you’re looking for…”), would that be cheating?

To me, it seems obvious that it would be — even if the mind powers weren’t 100% reliable. And then I ask myself what’s the difference between that and pitch framing, and I have to conclude that there isn’t one. Sleight of hand or Jedi mind trick, it’s the same intent and the same effect.

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mgwalker
4 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Dave

The difference is that the victim of a jedi mind trick is has no agency. The umpire is well aware that the catcher has an interest in making the pitch appear more strike-like. The umpire also maintains the freedom to call the pitch either way, so there is not the same effect.

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Dr. Davemember
4 years ago
Reply to  mgwalker

The umpire’s agency is illusory; clearly, if he could really correct for the catcher’s influence on his judgment, he would. The umpire might think that his mental discipline would protect him from Jedi mind tricks, too, but he’d be equally wrong.

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mgwalker
4 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Dave

I can agree to the umpire’s agency being illusory only at the level of a metaphysical discussion of free will, but certainly not in the everyday sense of the term that you suggest. It is simply not true that any action of the catcher can control the mind of the umpire in the way you are suggesting.

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