FanGraphs Audio: Craig Edwards Decries Lazy Cheating
Episode 874
On this edition of FanGraphs Audio, I welcome Craig Edwards back to the program. Craig and I discuss the Astros sign-stealing scandal and how much is too much cheating in baseball, before we turn our attention to the offseason, the free agent market, the motivations of baseball owners, and the troubling trend of good teams seeming interested in shedding good players to reduce payrolls and avoid rich extensions.
You can read Craig on the Yankees’ payroll here.
You can read Craig on the Cubs’ potentially eschewing their window of contention here.
You can read Craig on the wisdom of the crowd when it comes to free agent contracts here.
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Suppose, hypothetically, that some MLB player had Jedi mind powers. If that player were to use those mind powers to influence umpire judgments regarding balls and strikes (“These are not the strikes you’re looking for…”), would that be cheating?
To me, it seems obvious that it would be — even if the mind powers weren’t 100% reliable. And then I ask myself what’s the difference between that and pitch framing, and I have to conclude that there isn’t one. Sleight of hand or Jedi mind trick, it’s the same intent and the same effect.
The difference is that the victim of a jedi mind trick is has no agency. The umpire is well aware that the catcher has an interest in making the pitch appear more strike-like. The umpire also maintains the freedom to call the pitch either way, so there is not the same effect.
The umpire’s agency is illusory; clearly, if he could really correct for the catcher’s influence on his judgment, he would. The umpire might think that his mental discipline would protect him from Jedi mind tricks, too, but he’d be equally wrong.
I can agree to the umpire’s agency being illusory only at the level of a metaphysical discussion of free will, but certainly not in the everyday sense of the term that you suggest. It is simply not true that any action of the catcher can control the mind of the umpire in the way you are suggesting.
I would love to see some (much more) print coverage of this cheating stuff. BP is lapping you guys right now if we’re being honest. (They just cross-published on Slate too).
With Sheryl’s departure right after angering the Cubs, and all the team job postings, and the implication it carries of FG being very close to the teams being covered, your credibility is going to depend on being willing to publish journalistic, objective, and aggressive coverage of front offices.
It’s really disappointing
ANY illicit edge, however small, probably could’ve changed the outcome of a very close 7 game series like the 2017 ALCS and 2017 WS. And they blatantly cheated.
As a Dodger fan this has been eating away at me the last few days. I just want a fucking fair chance for the boys. The flippant way FG has been covering this has been disappointing to say the least, especially Ben Lindbergh’s first podcast on this lazily using home/away splits to say it probably didn’t help.