Francisco Lindor’s Finding His Inner Mookie Betts
I spend a lot of time thinking about who could be the next Mike Trout. There’s not a good answer yet. Nobody is the next Mike Trout. Francisco Lindor is not yet as good as Mike Trout. Do not under-appreciate Mike Trout! He’s amazing. Everybody take a moment to remember how Mike Trout is the very best that there is. Okay, good, thank you for doing that.
When I think about other potential 9-WAR players, though, my default is to consider elite defenders who might suddenly add some power. Because, of course, they’d be starting from a high baseline, and how many players have we seen add considerable pop over the past few seasons? I’ve had my eye on certain guys, and it’s Lindor who’s presently catching my attention. Lindor is an elite defender. Check. He occupies a premium defensive position. Check. We know he has a steady and disciplined approach. Check. Now we could be seeing the emergence of power. Lindor is 23 years old.
I’m not writing this because I believe Lindor is about to run Trout down. Instead, I’m just writing this because I’ve had my eye on Lindor, and now he’s up to something different. He’s improving as a player, even if he’s still short of being the best player in the world. This season, Lindor has played in 25 games. As such, I’m going to embed a couple rolling-average plots, over 25-game samples. How about looking at Lindor’s hard-hit rate?
That paints a pretty clear picture — Lindor is now hitting the ball harder than ever. He finished 2016 on a promising note, and he’s picked up where he left off. I’ll note that Lindor already has seven home runs this season, after last year knocking 15. There’s something here, and as should come as little surprise, the above is linked to the pattern below. Lindor is also keeping more of his batted balls off of the ground.
Maybe you’re growing weary of reading about players trying to hit more fly balls. That would be understandable. And it’s not like Lindor is suddenly standing in either box and swinging from his heels. I don’t think Lindor is specifically hunting fly balls; rather, I think it’s more that he’s trying to avoid weakly-hit grounders, and that’s effectively the same thing. Every hitter just wants to make more good contact. Good contact is generally line-drive or air contact. Lindor might not fancy himself a power hitter, but he’s certainly unlocking a new level of power.
All right. Time for a project, using the usual information from Baseball Savant. Over the years, Lindor has slightly increased his batted-ball speed. He’s more significantly lifted his average launch angle. While all of this has been happening, Lindor has attempted to swing less often, and he’s made more consistent contact. Lindor, in short, has added power and contact, which isn’t the way this usually goes.
I wanted to look at season-by-season hitter comps to Lindor. One way of evaluating his progress is by just looking at him. Another way is by looking at the players to whom he compares. I looked at everyone who’s batted at least 500 times since 2015, and I linked the players to their swing rate, contact rate, exit velocity, and launch angle. I then used that sample to look for the closest comparisons to 2015 Lindor, 2016 Lindor, and 2017 Lindor. I developed a comp score, where a lower number reflects a stronger comp, and some of that data shows up in this table. You see the names of the individual strongest comps. You also see the average wRC+ of the group of strongest comps. That’s all complicated; the table itself feels more simple.
| Season | Swing% | Contact% | EV | LA | wRC+ | Comps wRC+ | Top Comp |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2015 | 50% | 83% | 87 | 4 | 126 | 97 | Jean Segura |
| 2016 | 47% | 84% | 89 | 8 | 112 | 103 | Xander Bogaerts |
| 2017 | 43% | 86% | 90 | 12 | 170 | 114 | Mookie Betts |
The most similar hitter to 2015 Francisco Lindor is Jean Segura. Now, Segura has undergone his own changes, but I just took an overall approach, and since 2015 Segura has posted a 99 wRC+. 2015 Lindor’s closest comparisons managed an average 97 wRC+, close to Segura. Lindor fairly easily exceeded that mark. Could be a reflection of skill, although it’s probably also partly luck.
The most similar hitter to 2016 Francisco Lindor is Xander Bogaerts, who, since 2015, has posted a 112 wRC+. The collection of the closest comps averaged a 103 wRC+. By Lindor’s actual results, he was a little less effective last season than he had been as a rookie. This analysis would suggest Lindor’s true talent actually inched forward. That is, if you put any stock in this analysis. I haven’t tested it much! I just find it interesting.
At last, the most similar hitter to 2017 Francisco Lindor is Mookie Betts, who, since 2015, has posted a 127 wRC+. The collection of the closest comps averaged a 114 wRC+. Lindor, again, is beating that average mark, so there’s probably something there — perhaps a function of Lindor’s speed, or perhaps a consequence of his being a switch-hitter. Lindor might truly be able to beat these averages. But Betts is a heck of a comp. While I understand Betts’ 127 wRC+ is way lower than Lindor’s current mark of 170, that 170 isn’t going to keep up. It basically can’t. Lindor, though, could only slump so much, thanks to his discipline and contact ability.
Betts wasn’t expected to turn into much of a power type, but just last year he socked 31 dingers, and he wound up with a WAR of 7.8. Compared to Lindor, he doesn’t bring the same sort of defensive value, but he’s more of an asset on the bases, so those kind of cancel out. And as I think about this comparison more and more, I love it. Betts, in the minors, seldom had a bad at-bat. The power arrived as he got deeper into his 20s. Lindor was much the same way, drawing walks without whiffing too often. Power’s coming out. Betts had his real power breakout at 23, last summer. Lindor is one year younger than Betts is. Not to over-draw the parallels, but they’re very much present. Neither Betts nor Lindor is particularly large.
I don’t think that Francisco Lindor is blossoming into a power hitter. To me, that connotes a certain profile, with more whiffs and more jaw-dropping dingers. I think that Lindor is blossoming into a better hitter, a hitter with more power than he used to have. He’s on the Mookie Betts path, making the absolute most of what he is, given his own limitations. I don’t think it would be fair to suggest that Lindor’s becoming another Mike Trout. Rather, he could settle for being the next-best thing.
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.


I love Trout and I do think that Lindor is the player with the best chance to eclipse him, but wouldn’t it be more genuine if SP could participate in the discussion? We could alter the WAR equation and make Kershaw a 12 WAR player. It is hard to choke down that he isn’t the most valuable player in the game. I get that Kershaw is invited to the party to an extent, but to the casual observer (most), the best player begins and ends with WAR. I know that comparing SP to position players is at least a bit silly, but so is using the same equation to compare RF to SS. I like the Mookie / Lindor comp by the way – they are both small guys with the hand-eye coordination / uncomplicated swings to do whatever they want with the ball.
There isn’t much wrong with comparing players who occupy different positions on the diamond. All that is factored into WAR. Lindor is a top level defender at SS, Betts is a top level defended in RF. Obviously a SS is more valuables, but Betts provides far more value on the bases, which kind of cancels out the SS/RF adjustment as Jeff noted.
Yeah, well, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.
Personally, I will continue not to use the same metric to compare Miguel Sano to Andrelton Simmons. I think that WAR is a suitable metric for comparing similar players within the same era, but nothing beyond that. Personally (again), I find the idea of comparing defense and base-running laughable. Not to get off on a tangent, but apples are way better than bannanas – trust me there is math backing up that statement, as I just explained.
For some anecdotal evidence that WAR has flawed weights, look at the highest average annual salaries of all-time. #1 is Greinke, #2 is Miggy, #3 is David Price, #4 is Scherzer, #5 is Kershaw – that is the 30 million dollar per year club right there. Sure, position players get the larger total contracts, but that is the longevity of position players as opposed to annual value. If the decision makers in MLB know anything, then SP is the most valuable commodity despite the arbitrary positional adjustments of WAR. WAR is just a toy, man. I find it interesting, but I get frustrated at how people abuse it.
You’re using salary as the reason why WAR is flawed?
Fun fact: you can use player salary in order to undermine the value of any counting stat or metric because player salary includes lots of factors unrelated to performance, like scarcity of talent–or importantly for pitchers–likelihood of injury.
Please tell us about the metric that is better than WAR that you use to evaluate players who play different positions. If you don’t have a name for it yet, might I suggest you call it NIPOMA–Nonsense I Pulled Out of My Ass.
Here’s a fun thought experiment:
Which player will be the first to beat Mike Trout in WAR in 2 consecutive seasons? When?
Harper, this year and next.
Kevin Maitan: In 2025-2026.
Bruno Caboclo. 2045/46
WAR weights innings played higher than all else – that is not Harper’s strength.
“Yeah, well, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.”
Although, I like your comment, that is not my opinion, man. If you don’t accumulate innings, then you don’t lead the league in WAR. I am not sure that everyone gets that. WAR is a contest for healthy players that play every day.
It was an easy set up, but yeah, not technically correct 🙂
Michael Nelson Trout Jr. – Seniors last 2 seasons
Aaron Judge, 2017-18
Nice try, Aaron.
Great article. I’d love to see this:
“Compared to Lindor, he doesn’t bring the same sort of defensive value, but he’s more of an asset on the bases, so those kind of cancel out.”
explored more if you have the time and inclination.
WAR is not about further explanations. It is about taking an entire season of stats and translating it into a single number. It is for those that don’t want further analysis. I agree that comparing defense and base-running is absurd. Lindor’s defensive impact on his team could be the largest contribution that any player makes for any team… but how do you legitimately quantify that? I believe that the Indians were a below average defensive team before Lindor came along. He makes all the other infielder’s jobs easier. He can cover a bad shift sometimes, etc. I can’t imagine that Mookie’s base-running acumen compares to what Lindor brings to his team defensively. Does Billy Hamilton make a huge difference to the CIN offense due to his world-class base-running? I don’t think many people are saying that defense and base-running are the same in terms of value, but I like to point out that even attempting to compare them is a fool’s errand. I think there will always be a lot of hand-waving and citing of a blog post in justifying WAR weights.
Would anyone take Correa over Lindor at this point? I’ll answer for you. No
You guessed my answer just fine, but what about Corey Seager or Manny Machado? I think I’m still on the Lindor train anyway but that makes it more interesting.
I would.
I think the world will begin to notice that Lindor passed Correa in 2015 – they are slowly realizing it. I would also take Seager over Correa, who also passed him in 2015. I don’t know what the future holds, but to this piont a coherent argument cannot be made to place Correa above either of his peers.
There is no shame in competing for #2 behind a guy who at age 25 was already #11 all-time among centerfielders in wins above average (36.5, per Baseball-Reference, minimum 500 career games in CF).
Oh yeah, and THEN used the month of April to move into a tie for #7 all-time with Kenny Lofton with 38.2 wins above average.
Lindor’s on track to be an inner-circle all-time great HOF shortstop. And still be no better than the second-best player of his generation.
Out of town, with work acquaintances. Busy all day working, haven’t had a chance to check the site. Sitting in a room with a couple guys, talking, and I drift out of the convo to sneak a look at Fangraphs. See this article. Read it. Get to this part: “That is, if you put any stock in this analysis. I haven’t tested it much! I just find it interesting.”
Right after I read that, I blurt out “I fucking love Jeff Sullivan!” with a big shit-eating grin on my face. Remember there are other people in the room. They do not understand that Jeff Sullivan is a writer, writing about Lindor. They simply see get on my phone, go silent for a bit, then blurt that out. I am trying to explain. Not going well! Don’t know that these a-holes are going to let me love it down. Partly posting in hopes that someone else out there can comment that my behavior wasn’t THAT weird!