Gambling Investigation Sidelines Emmanuel Clase

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It’s pretty unusual, three days before the trade deadline, to have a different news story rocking the baseball world. But these are unusual times.

On Monday, Major League Baseball placed Cleveland Guardians closer Emmanuel Clase on non-disciplinary paid leave through August 31, pending the results of a sports betting investigation. As the name suggests, Clase will still draw a check, and can still have contact with the organization, but for the next five weeks, he is persona non grata at major league facilities. Clase’s teammate, Luis Ortiz, has been on leave under the same designation since July 3, and is slated to come off leave the same day as Clase.

This is the latest in a series of embarrassing gambling-related scandals for baseball in general and MLB in particular. But with the exception of the Ippei Mizuhara Affair, in which Shohei Ohtani was involved but never accused of wrongdoing, all the players involved had been (at the risk of sounding impolite) relative unknowns.

Clase, a Cy Young finalist last season and one of the best relief pitchers in the game, is a bona fide, honest-to-God star. If this investigation turns up something untoward, he’d be the biggest baseball name implicated in a gambling scandal since you-know-who, because MLB commissioner Rob Manfred brought him back into the news this year as well.

The specific reason for Clase’s removal from the clubhouse is not yet public knowledge, but whatever comes of the investigation, whether Clase is implicated or exonerated, this news will have a major impact on a trade deadline that was already expected to be closer-heavy. These effects are of secondary importance to the integrity of the game, but they are time-sensitive, so I’ll dispense with those first.

Clase, 27, is not only one of the best relief pitchers in baseball, he’s on a team-friendly contract that pays just $4.9 million this year and $6.4 million in 2026, the last guaranteed year of the contract. That’s followed by a pair of $10 million club options for 2027 and 2028. I think relievers are so volatile that it’s foolish to count on anyone short of Billy Wagner three years into the future, but this is hardly a universal viewpoint. If not for this gambling investigation, there’s every likelihood that Clase would’ve brought back the biggest return of any player this week.

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That’s not going to happen now. Even if a trade partner were dead certain that Clase would be cleared, and return to action on schedule, he’d still miss half the pennant race. Best to look anywhere else under those circumstances.

Absent specific details on Clase’s involvement, so far this story is an ink-blot test. Whatever your priors were about gambling were on Monday morning, you can find a way to work those into the discussion on Monday afternoon. Here’s where I’m coming from: I find sports betting in its current form tacky, but not necessarily morally objectionable. And I see no contradiction whatsoever in Major League Baseball partnering with legal sportsbooks while holding and enforcing clear and uncompromising standards for its own players’ behavior. Last June, MLB banned Tucupita Marcano for life after he put $150,000 on various bets, including wagers on 25 Pirates games when he was on the major league IL. Here’s what I wrote then:

There are two big red-letter no-nos if you work for MLB or a team: You can’t bet on baseball, and you can’t wager with unlicensed bookmakers. Betting on other sports through legal means is in bounds. Whether this position is morally consistent or socially healthy is entirely beside the point. These are the rules, and if players (or coaches or trainers or whoever) break them, the entire credibility of the sport crumbles rapidly.

This has, as I (and many, many others) have said repeatedly, been the de facto Rule No. 1 in baseball for 100 years. Players know this. Umpires know this. It’s written in big block letters on the wall of every clubhouse in the league. Nothing about that fact changed when sports betting became legal. I’d argue that Manfred did undermine that rule when President Trump woke up one morning and decided to care about Pete Rose, setting into motion a process that resulted in Rose being made Hall of Fame-eligible for the first time. But that indiscretion will only impact Marcano (and potentially Clase and Ortiz) after they’re dead.

For us, the living, the rules remain the same: If you want to play in the majors, you can only gamble through legal bookies, and only on sports other than baseball.

You’ll notice I wrote that twice in three paragraphs. Ordinarily, I’d cut that line for being redundant, but for some reason these two simple rules are just too tricky to grasp. Not just for players, but for some college coaches and umpires, too. It’s baffling. These are guys who can untangle the balk rule; some rudimentary phone game hygiene is surely not too much to ask for.

To be clear, neither Clase nor Ortiz is under official sanction. So far, we don’t have evidence of either player actually placing illicit bets or conspiring with gamblers. Until such a finding is published, I’m content to extend them the benefit of the doubt. But my sympathy for players or coaches or umpires who do get caught in gambling scandals is limited in the extreme.

“There’s a sportsbook in the ballpark.” Great, you still can’t bet on baseball. “There are DraftKings ads on the broadcast.” Great, you still can’t bet on baseball. “I can bet on football and tennis and buzkashi all from an app on my phone.” Go nuts, I hope you win big. You still can’t bet on baseball.

And of all the justifications and equivocations and deflections, one in particular has become especially problematic: “It’s not hurting anyone.”

Throwing a World Series, I think we can all agree, is bad. Betting on your own team, to win or lose, is also bad. There are a few Rose dead-enders who’ll still argue this point, but they are neither numerous enough to matter nor coherent enough to be worth engaging.

But with increasingly granular and specific prop bets — “microbets” is apparently the term of art — a player could enrich himself, or his confederates, without impacting the game too adversely. In the modern baseball betting environment, a player doesn’t have to throw games, or shave points, or even pad his stats in garbage time, in order to impact the markets.

Back when the Ortiz investigation came to public attention, ESPN reported that betting integrity firm IC360 flagged suspicious wagering activity in three states, including Ohio. A suspicious amount of money had come in for Ortiz to throw a ball or hit a batter on certain pitches: The first pitch of the bottom of the second inning against the Mariners on June 15, and the first pitch of the top of the third inning against the Cardinals on June 27. Here’s one of the pitches in question:

Have you ever seen such a forgettable, innocuous thing in your life? This is one pitch with no outs and the bases empty, early in a Mariners-Guardians game in June. The game, which is itself abnormally inconsequential, could not be less on the line here.

All gambling is based to a greater or lesser extent on chance, but someone who knows baseball could theoretically put that knowledge to use by placing a futures bet on a Cy Young winner, or exploiting a favorable starting pitching matchup to win a wager on the outcome of a game.

Betting on whether the first pitch of an inning will be a ball or a strike is, well, truly troubled behavior. If you saw Uncut Gems, you might remember that Howard wasn’t just betting on the outcome of the game. (To be honest, betting heavily against the Sixers in the playoffs is hardly compelling evidence of gambling addiction.) Howard doesn’t just rely on Kevin Garnett, charged up with the power of the titular opal.

Howard stakes his entire million-dollar parlay on the outcome of the tipoff. That’s how obscure professional match fixers are getting.

This is what happened a decade ago in tennis. The match-fixing scandal there didn’t involve Roger Federer and Novak Djokovic conspiring to rig the Wimbledon final. It involved innumerable smallish prop bets placed on obscure players in even more obscure tournaments. The 2023 Washington Post feature on tennis match-fixing kingpin Grigor Sargsyan details the last bribe he offered an athlete before the Belgian police busted him: €1,000 to a player ranked outside the top 200 in the world, in exchange for her dropping a single service game.

Nobody, not even devout tennis diehards, would care about the outcome of such a match. But Sargsyan eventually built a criminal enterprise that included some 180 professional tennis players.

He ultimately got caught the same way Alabama head coach Brad Bohanon got caught, and the same way Ortiz came under suspicion: Regulators noticed and flagged unusual amounts of money flooding in on obscure bets. Could a criminal with access to a major league pitcher make big money without anyone noticing? Maybe, but not all at once.

But once a gambler, or an illegal bookmaker, has the ability to blackmail an athlete, the worst-case scenario becomes a possibility: A player being paid or coerced to throw a game, or even a playoff series.

That’s why there’s no such thing as trivial, victimless match fixing. MLB and regulators have to run down every 59-foot slider in the third inning of a meaningless Guardians game. They have to fire an otherwise highly-rated umpire who shares his login information with professional gamblers. If they don’t, an enterprise like Sargsyan’s could emerge in professional baseball in short order.

Like it or not, the sports betting genie is out of the bottle now, and it’d take some naiveté to believe that said genie wasn’t already at least partially liberated before legal gambling, or even daily fantasy. Maintaining the integrity of the game — more specifically, public belief in the integrity of the game — is of existential importance. This much MLB has known since before there was an MLB as we know it.

That means throwing the book at anyone who steps out of line. Whether they’re actually throwing games or not, whether they thought what they were doing was actually wrong or not, whether they’re a perpetual Triple-A guy or a Cy Young finalist. The people who run the league, for all their multitude of failings on this and other issues, understand this. I am dumbfounded that there are players out there who haven’t learned this lesson yet.





Michael is a writer at FanGraphs. Previously, he was a staff writer at The Ringer and D1Baseball, and his work has appeared at Grantland, Baseball Prospectus, The Atlantic, ESPN.com, and various ill-remembered Phillies blogs. Follow him on Twitter, if you must, @MichaelBaumann.

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Sleepy
1 year ago

The most amazing part of this entire story is Nick Kurtz somehow homered off Clase, despite Clase being suspended, and the A’s & Guardians not even playing each other.

JimmieFoxxalorianMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Sleepy

I lost my bet on how that particular homer not reaching the moon

TransmissionMember since 2017
1 year ago

“Have you ever seen such a forgettable, innocuous thing in your life? This is one pitch with no outs and the bases empty, early in a Mariners-Guardians game in June. The game, which is itself abnormally inconsequential, could not be less on the line here.”

The pitch referenced is first of Ortiz’s seemingly intentional balls. It led to a walk which led to a five run inning for Seattle which led to the Guardians losing.

The Seattle Mariners are currently tied with Texas for the 5th and 6th seeds in the AL Wild Card, 3 games up on the Rays and 3.5 up on the Guardians.

Who knows what happens in an alternate timeline where Ortiz throws a competitive pitch instead. And of course we can’t pin all five of those runs or the loss of the game on a single pitch.

But it’s enough for me to strongly dispute the idea that microbets in general or that one in particular are inconsequential. If I were the Rangers or Rays (or of course the Guardians) I’d be utterly furious that he may have affected the Wild Card race.

TransmissionMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  Transmission

While I’m at it, I also don’t think I agree with the claim that there’s no contradiction in MLB partnering with legal sportsbooks while throwing the proverbial book at anyone who breaks their gambling rules.

The ubiquity of those “don’t gamble on baseball” signs in MLB clubhouses, and the lifetime suspensions, aren’t just their as helpful reminders or educational purposes. At risk of doing some lazy armchair cultural anthropology, they have a further cultural significance of helping perpetuate a purposeful effort to create a taboo against betting on baseball. Carpet-bombing everyone who watches or attends a baseball game with ads encouraging them to bet money on baseball erodes that sense of taboo. To borrow from an early 90s album title, “Everybody Else is Doing It, So Why Can’t We?”

Pick any of a thousand examples from the 21st century that you want. When people in positions of power indulge in and grow rich(er) off of the very things that they prohibit the plebes from partaking in, of course they’re going to reap what they’ve sown.

JimmieFoxxalorianMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Transmission

Well stated. And thank you for the Cranberries reference, I enjoyed that

highlandcowMember since 2020
1 year ago

Great piece! You had me at the Uncut Gems reference, of course, but it was the tennis history lesson that compelled me to comment. I had missed that news entirely!

thaaldermanMember since 2024
1 year ago

– “But with increasingly granular and specific prop bets — “microbets” is apparently the term of art — a player could enrich himself, or his confederates, without impacting the game too adversely.”

If I squint hard enough I can maybe, just maybe, buy this for Ortiz, who’s a borderline JAG making league minimum through 2026, and potentially only a major leaguer until he’s no longer cheap.

Clase, on the other hand, has made $15MM + so far, will pocket another $26MM over the next three years if his club options are exercised, and is scheduled to hit FA going into his age 31 season – where he’d likely sign a Josh Hader-esque $100MM-ish deal if he maintains his current level of production. Like with that NBA player in the news last week for suspicious unders, there’s simply no financial problem Clase
could possibly have that’s better solved by throwing prop bets rather than cutting a check, or by pledging his (very public) future earnings to creditors if he’s broke.

If you’re Clase or one of his co-conspirators, there’s no way to bet anywhere near enough money necessary to make a scheme like this worth the risk. Any legitimate sportsbook will flag and report you right away, and as far as I understand, illegal bookies typically don’t offer insane prop bets or take large wagers on essentially random outcomes like public books do. Maybe I’m wrong and people like that exist, but I doubt it, since such a scheme would be blindingly obvious if you knew what to look for.

The only potential explanation I can even begin to accept is that the players doing this type of shit are just complete fucking idiots. I simply don’t understand it whatsoever.

Last edited 1 year ago by thaalderman
TransmissionMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  thaalderman

I buy all of this, with one other explanation possible other than being complete fucking idiots: Gambling’s highly addictive and microbets are especially pernicious for gambling addicts. Take that, and add to it that Men and 20-somethingers seem to be most at risk of gambling addiction, and in the general adult population maybe 1-2% are problem gamblers. So if you have, say, 1,000 men in their 20s and 30s with lots of disposable income and inundated every day with gambling advertisements endorsed by their employers….

Last edited 1 year ago by Transmission
thaaldermanMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  Transmission

Oh, definitely. Given media reports that Tupita Marcano won something like 4% of his bets, I’d guess that he probably fits that description perfectly, as do plenty of other professional athletes (Michael Jordan, anyone?).

But unless I missed something, Clase, Ortiz, and the NBA player I’ve learned is named Terry Rozier (under investigation for bets worth $13,759 with $135MM in career earnings and a $25MM annual contract), are in trouble for allegedly throwing, not making, bets. While I’m not a gambling addict myself, I just don’t see how wagering on an outcome you have full control over is gambling at all, or how it could satisfy the need for action on something, anything, anything at all. The uncertainty inherent to the behavior seems like a critical element of the pathology.

Last edited 1 year ago by thaalderman
HappyFunBallMember since 2019
1 year ago
Reply to  thaalderman

Well, some people are gamblers and indeed are in it for the thrill of the uncertainty.

Plenty of others, however, are in it to make money. And for them the certainty is lovely

Jason BMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  thaalderman

Given media reports that Tupita Marcano won something like 4% of his bets

Ah, a kindred spirit…

PC1970Member since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  Transmission

The other possibility, which I’ll admit is out there, is Clase participated in some other type of embarrassing/illegal behavior (HGH, illegal drugs, sex with underage girl, homosexual?) & whoever he engaged in that behavior with blackmailed him to make bad pitches in exact spots where the gambling kingpin could profit off of his knowledge.

Sort of a gambling “honeypot” sting.

Even typing that it sounds like some BS from a spy novel or potboiler movie, but, it would certainly explain someone in Clase’s financial status potentially throwing intentional balls with the gambling kingpin saying “no one will notice, do this 1-2 times & we won’t release the video of you doing ______ (pick one of the above)”

PhilMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  PC1970

I assume the most likely explanation for someone in Clase’s position is (if he has committed any gambling based wrong doing) that he bet on baseball games.

I don’t think blackmail makes logical sense – he’s earning millions of dollars, guaranteed, this year and next, and has an option, which while millions more for dollars for him, is an absolute bargain for the Guardians (or any other baseball team) if he is pitching like he has been. How much could someone earn on these prop bets before it gets noticed? It seems a risky, low reward endeavor, when instead you could probably get far more money directly from Clase himself.

But then again who knows? Humans do stupid things all the time, for a multitude of stupid reasons.

zaxellMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  thaalderman

My *completely-unfounded* speculation is that, at some point, Ortiz texted Clase and mentioned or implied what was happening, and MLB’s investigation turned that up. Clase’s offense wouldn’t be gambling for a pittance relative to his salary, it would be not handing his friend over to MLB to be suspended; I suspect he’s the Buck Weaver in this echo of the Black Sox scandal.

Last edited 1 year ago by zaxell
Rollie's MustacheMember since 2017
1 year ago

Good article and an important one. I’d never heard about the tennis scandal, so thanks for that. But I don’t share the same surprise noted in the final sentence.

Not everyone’s level of risk tolerance is the same, and people break laws, rules, regulations, etc. elsewhere in society all the time if they think they can get away with it. That it extends to pro sports really shouldn’t be a surprise. Especially considering that not every athlete grew up in a stable home, got a good education, possesses common sense, or has surrounded themselves with a support network of morally principled people. Or *gestures at the overall political climate* has leaders who give a damn about right and wrong anymore.

Gambling going mainstream does not forgive any part of what Clase or Ortiz are accused of doing – Michael is correct; there is no sensible argument to the contrary – but when something that once used to be niche/in the shadows/generally frowned upon is normalized, a changed perception of it can cloud good judgment.

It’s unfortunate, but this is likely only the tip of the iceberg. We live in a society that rewards cheaters and liars so I expect the worst is yet to come.

RoyalsFan#14321Member since 2020
1 year ago

It is absolutely the tip of the iceberg.

MattStats5Member since 2024
1 year ago

This was an amazing article, summarizing the quandry we’re facing in professional sports. Thanks!

MikeSMember since 2020
1 year ago

I think it is difficult to argue that it doesn’t hurt anybody when the rates of gambling addiction have risen recently and seem to correlate pretty well with ease of access. There are plenty of anecdotal stories and investigative reports of the big companies like Fanduel and Draftkings encouraging people who lose a lot of money to keep betting instead of cutting them off.

slz
1 year ago

It’s an amazing thing that the #1 most valuable player in baseball, probably the only player recognizable outside of the sport and has a country obsessed with him, was enmeshed in a gambling scandal that he was found totally innocent of

basically baseballMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  slz

Oh my god, let it go. You looked stupid before when you told all your friends how guilty Ohtani was and you still can’t admit you were wrong and Ohtani was a victim. Grow up.

puddleMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  slz

Did you get lost? This is Fangraphs, not Facebook

carterMember since 2020
1 year ago

I don’t think it can be completely discredited that it could something else.

The most likely scenario is he’s a guy, a pro athlete, high testosterone, and all these things that would likely make him more inclined to high risk behaviors.

But it could also be a way of repaying a debt to bookies. A way of him repaying a friend or families debt to crime folk. There is organized crime in the USA, but there also is in the DR. Maybe he lost a lot gambling and didn’t have the cash off hand so the people thought “hey don’t repay us, I got a better idea.” Hell they might have been happy he didn’t have the cash with him.

I have spent a considerable amount of time in DR working essentially in gambling (poker, but still). There are a lot of people around with money, lots of great people. But also plenty of bad people with money. I openly saw collusion dozens of times.

But there is a ton of ways something like this could come about. Ballplayers who have never had money before might spend a lot quickly, that’s a pretty normal thing. Guy gets a signing bonus and blows through it. Now he needs money because you get 1k a month or something in the milb. So now he hits up a loan shark back home. Tons of these guys around in third world countries. Everyone who’s lived in one has or known someone who has gotten a loan through something illegal. Difference is you don’t repay the loan they don’t just file it to collections. They send you off now to the mafia, the mafia says ok I will get it back if I keep x %. Interest is usually 10-20% a week. Ain’t no apr here.

Ok, so let’s say he got in deep. Well he likely can pay it back, right? I would assume, maybe not. At 10-20% interest a week numbers add up fast. These guys got their hooks in now though. Maybe they said “hey don’t repay us” we got a better idea. Or maybe they said repay us but we got you now. Remember the majority of players families are still in the DR and these guys could just bleed em forever since they have family there. Hey throw first pitch ball. These aren’t just fictional things either. This isnt just a Cuba thing, ballplayers need money to chase their dream, and plenty of people around to give it to them for x % of earnings. What if they just decided nah who cares about earnings w legal gambling?

carterMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  carter

It could be a straight shakedown. Just shaking a guy down who has nothing to do with gambling, owes no one money. I’m sure that happens, and it’s not like you can just go to the police either. Tons of corruption.

A lot of gambling is on a credit scenario, even today in the USA. Having cash on hand means it increases the likelihood someone robs you. Not talking about casinos per se, but poker games, etc. A major league pitcher who is short? Someone hit the jackpot.

Mostly likely scenario is it’s just a guy gambling. Someone on the team did it, a group of pitchers were all out having a few beers after a game. Guy has a few too many beers and tells his friends. Those guys get interested and see how easy it’s worked for him. Week later hey, why not? That’s probably how it went down. But I do think a lot of other scenarios are possible. MLB wouldn’t want to pursue that, “We found out the integrity of our game has been compromised in DR by criminals threatening families, but we cannot do anything about it.” They wouldn’t ever say that, so even if that is what happened, it will just be on the players.

PC1970Member since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  carter

This is a legit possibility. I mentioned the “honeypot” sting a few posts up, but, what you posted is more likely than that.

Add in that a lot of players grew up poor, may have limited financial knowledge, may have taken out loans before they made it big, got in with the wrong guys, etc. & if their family is back in some foreign country & they feel like they are threatened, that is certainly a feasible scenario.

Add in that once he is in that position, it may never be enough to satisfy the loan shark since they’re outside the law.

Last edited 1 year ago by PC1970
isavage
1 year ago
Reply to  carter

How could you possibly make more money on a predetermined prop bet than what Clase is making in a paycheck? If a friend or family was in debt that he wanted to help financially, he could just, ya know, give them some cash? Like maybe that kind of thing could draw in someone like Ortiz, “only” making 700k, but would make zero sense for a Clase, who if he just kept pitching would eventually make 100 million and at minimum had another 6 million guaranteed coming to him next year. 6 million vs, I dunno, maybe 10k or whatever might have been bet? I can’t imagine these prior bets get much action so you’d think even throwing 10k at one would be high and an obvious thing that would make you get caught

BreadbakerMember since 2022
1 year ago

So here’s my question:

Can gamblers or even persons who just dislike a particular team place bets on the actions of a top pitcher in such a way as to trigger adequate suspicion of gambling activity so as to force a strategically timed suspension without the player being involved in the slightest? I don’t know the answer but I think it’s worrisome.

PhilMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  Breadbaker

I think you could try – but it would be expensive, risky, and convoluted.

I assume you’d try to make it look like the player was deliberately throwing a ball. You could create multiple betting accounts to put on a relatively large amount on the next pitch to be a ball. The problem is, you need it to actually be a ball – otherwise if you lose the bet, you’ve created a non-suspicious occasion where money was placed on a particular outcome. And you don’t want a ball that missed the zone by a couple of inches, you want it to be a slider buried in the dirt or something else that looks like it could have been a deliberate ball. And one incident probably isn’t enough, you need to do this several times – but you need enough won bets to cast suspicion – and each time you lose a bet, you’re creating a pattern that this guy attracts large prop bets which don’t pay off, so the winning bets are less suspicious.

It just seems like a huge amount of effort to go through for an incredibly small effect. Let’s say it works out, you’ve cost a rival team a starting pitcher or a high leverage reliever. That still probably doesn’t swing your chances of your team winning a game/play off spot/play off series beyond a couple of percentage points, at most. And I assume to carry this of, you are committing several crimes – at the very least, if you’re caught, I’d imagine the player could sue you for defamation, loss of earnings.

joe_schlabotnik
1 year ago
Reply to  Breadbaker

Well this where the mlb and all the powers at be deserve our ire, even Moreso than clase or other players that are gambling. THEY opened up this can of worms. THEY are making money hand over fist to turn the sport into a little more than an opportunity to place bets. It’s disgusting, and I’m sure that things like this could be done to manipulate it. I recommend listening to the citations needed podcast sports gambling episode.

I get Baumanns point that this very stupid for players to participate in, but I’m still placing more blame on the league for ushering in this era of absolute shit

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
1 year ago

Players have occasionally been busted for gambling on baseball as long as there has been baseball. It’s perfectly fine to disapprove of MLB’s endorsement of legal gambling ventures for a host of reasons, but blaming it for the failures of individual players is a stretch.

PhilMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

I think the recent frequency is a bit alarming though: two current MLB pitchers are being investigated, Tucupita Marcano was banned last year, an umpire banned this year, some minor leaguers… maybe because sport betting is legal now it is much easier to catch them, maybe it is just random clustering of rare events, but I think the league should be a bit worried.

Restore Andy Hawkins GloryMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  Phil

Yes, the league should be worried but you skipped past the issue in your own post. The fact that it is legal is what brings it to the wider market and creates the frequency. Of course there’s hypocrisy in the league being in bed with these outfits, but there’s hypocrisy everywhere. It’s not the same thing as blackmailing the players to bet or fix large or small parts of games. Either society is going to say this is too dangerous and ban it or we’re going to say it is acceptable and everyone takes personal responsibility for their actions. Frankly, the combination of legalizing this right at the time that tech companies essentially perfected the art of tech addiction created a perfect storm, but what do I know. I’m the guy still hung up on the fact that Jesse Barfield and Jim Leyritz dropped two fly balls against the White Sox in a meaningless game 35 years ago. Then again, something like that might not be so meaningless today.

Catchy Cauchy
1 year ago

Angels fan here, if this is relevant at all.

Baseball is a game of inches, and sometimes one bad strike/ball call can change the outcome of the game. I’m still annoyed at those Erich Bacchus’s terrible calls in the top 8th vs. Mets last week. Not that it would have given Angels a win, but still.

Anyways, I agree with Ben — I don’t think these “microbets” are insignificant at all. Some of them might be whatever, yes, but others might have a non-negligible impact on the game being played, as well as more games to come.

docgooden85Member since 2018
1 year ago

Clase wouldn’t have been able to know in advance which games, or innings, he would pitch in. But it would be much easier to bet on what his locker buddy Ortiz was doing.

Oh, Beepy.Member since 2024
1 year ago

Remember when Leonys Martin failed to meet expectations and seemed distracted on the field and then it came out that Bart Hernandez, Eliezer Lazo, and Jesus Toledo were holding his girlfriend and mother hostage and skimming 33% of his salary?

Make whatever broad judgements about gambling in sports that you’d like, but let’s wait and see what to make of Clase and Ortiz’ roles in this before we judge their characters.

carterMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Oh, Beepy.

Agreed. And for every situation that we find out about, there are likely many, many more that no one ever hears about. I would find it hard to believe that the Leonys Martin situation wasn’t something that has happened before and after. For every situation that comes to light, there has to be tons that do not.

Oh, Beepy.Member since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  carter

Related fact, while it was the Martin ordeal that led to Lazo’s indictment, it ended up being revealed that he had similarly trafficked and extorted between 1,000 and 1,500 Cubans in this manner – a great many of them baseball players.

Last edited 1 year ago by Oh, Beepy.
snakestl
1 year ago

They truly do not care about the
Real outcome of the games it is all about the over and
Under totals on things like you
Maybe can focus on the score but what is really the
Point of it all?

Say what is really going on…the gambling has
Usurped all power from the league and
Can run the show at this point so you may fly a
Kite if you think things will get better anytime
Soon.

Jason BMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  snakestl

I see what you did there!
Seems like this exposed the
Ugly underbelly of the game that we’ve
Cared about for so long.
Kinda makes you sad.

Hey wait a minute…

TKDCMember since 2016
1 year ago

Sports betting apps are morally reprehensible. Imagine you were an alcoholic or trying to quit smoking and someone came and knocked on your door every 30 minutes to offer you booze or cigarettes? That’s basically what happens to every gambling addict. They’re inundated with temptation and all it takes is a quick input of an account number into an app.

Honestly as much as I’ve always loved Fangraphs, your decision to not partner with gambling sites might be what I respect the most. The whole industry is disgusting.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  TKDC

Don’t forget that they’re effectively spiking the booze and cigarettes with low levels of opiates, via algorithms and interfaces designed to get people more addicted to it.

padraic
1 year ago

““There’s a sportsbook in the ballpark.” Great, you still can’t bet on baseball. “There are DraftKings ads on the broadcast.” Great, you still can’t bet on baseball. “I can bet on football and tennis and buzkashi all from an app on my phone.” Go nuts, I hope you win big. You still can’t bet on baseball.”

I appreciate the formal nature of this argument, but it’s just absurd to both dangle so many possibilities out there and then just say “no.” Like the more famous “just say no” proposal, it completely ignores systematic thinking and places all bad behavior on individual moral agency. This is a regressive argument, and one that has proven ineffective over and over again.

PhilMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  padraic

I think I heard somewhere (though I may be mistaken) that the owners are allowed to bet on baseball. Perhaps the players union should ask for owners to be banned from betting, whether it is formally with a sports book, illegally, or hand shake bets with other owners, on pain on them being banned from owning a team, as part of their CBA demands. (I do think it would be interesting to see how happy/unhappy ownership would be about this)

Ultimately, the buck stops with the players – they absolutely cannot, and must not bet on baseball, no ifs, no buts. However, there is the whiff of hypocrisy from the league – a league which is selling its soul to sportsbooks while banning players from taking part in an activity, for which they are now bombarded with adverts at their place of work. I think it might be a good idea for MLB to ban all gambling adverts from ballparks, to take away that visual endorsement from in front of the players.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
1 year ago
Reply to  padraic

Yeah. The “they’re dummies” thesis of this piece is correct — these guys are astonishingly dumb to do this — but it’s insufficient. The existence of a few staggering dummies is statistically predictable in a large enough population. (And specifically of problem gamblers in a population of testosterone-heavy young men, as has been observed already.) Rule and policy need to be designed with the dummies in mind, not excused for their failings by pointing to the offending individuals’ shortcomings — even when those are real.

JameyMember since 2020
1 year ago

9 of 30 teams are broadcast by a sports book with integrated ads (and constant QR codes to get you to gamble). That’s basically 1/3 of MLB. (Can you tell that my favorite team is broadcast by Fanduel?)

It’s indefensible that a league which wants to prevent employees from gambling on baseball integrates so deeply with gambling.

Grant GilmoreMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  Jamey

Absolutely

nategreat
1 year ago
Reply to  Jamey

Braves

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
1 year ago

It hasn’t been mentioned here yet for understandable reasons but I’m not sure I actually agree that this kills Clase’s trade value. It adds risk for sure, but relievers are inherently risky anyhow. For a team that wants a Proven Closer in the next few years, he’s still got to be an attractive enough target to think about. Maybe from Cleveland’s perspective he’s no longer a maximal trade-high guy, I guess, but I’m not sure he was that right now anyway…

PressXToJason
1 year ago

It kills it in that, without the urgency for an immediate impact, and without guarantee he’ll be back, no one will offer nearly as much, and, as such, the Guardians are simply less likely to even bother trying to sell him if they’re now going to have to work even harder to get anything approaching the return they wanted.

As a Red Sox fan, I’ll tell you right now that this would drastically reduce their interest in acquiring him at the deadline, because you now can’t move Chapman as a rental in a corresponding move, since you’re not going without an established closer for all of August, and they don’t trust Hicks or Whitlock like that.

RyanMember since 2018
1 year ago

I dislike that the players are placed on “non-disciplinary” leave when it feels very much like it is disciplinary… Especially considering the timing for Clase and the Guardians. Has he been accused of betting on baseball? It sure seems like it, but I can’t find that clearly stated anywhere.

RyanMember since 2018
1 year ago
Reply to  Ryan

Especially with a teammate already under investigation, it seems more than plausible that the two might have talked common strategy and one of the players uses knowledge of the other’s strategy to influence markets without the other knowing. That’s obviously speculation. But with what has been released, it seems that’s all that any of us can do.

Last edited 1 year ago by Ryan
juliusMember since 2021
1 year ago

Ban phone apps. Make gamblers have to be physically present a sports book to make a wager.