JAWS and the 2022 Hall of Fame Ballot: Bobby Abreu
The following article is part of Jay Jaffe’s ongoing look at the candidates on the BBWAA 2022 Hall of Fame ballot. Originally written for the 2020 election, it has been updated to reflect recent voting results as well as additional research. For a detailed introduction to this year’s ballot, and other candidates in the series, use the tool above; an introduction to JAWS can be found here. For a tentative schedule and a chance to fill out a Hall of Fame ballot for our crowdsourcing project, see here. All WAR figures refer to the Baseball-Reference version unless otherwise indicated.
Bobby Abreu could do just about everything. A five-tool player with dazzling speed, a sweet left-handed stroke, and enough power to win a Home Run Derby, he was also one of the game’s most patient, disciplined hitters, able to wear down a pitcher and unafraid to hit with two strikes. While routinely reaching the traditional seasonal plateaus that tend to get noticed — a .300 batting average (six times), 20 homers (nine times), 30 steals (six times), 100 runs scored and batted in (eight times apiece) — he was nonetheless a stathead favorite for his ability to take a walk (100 or more eight years in a row) and his high on-base percentages (.400 or better eight times). And he was durable, playing 151 games or more in 13 straight seasons. “To me, Bobby’s Tony Gwynn with power,” said Phillies hitting coach Hal McRae in 1999.
“Bobby was way ahead of his time [with] regards to working pitchers,” said his former manager Larry Bowa when presenting him for induction into the Phillies Wall of Fame in 2019. “In an era when guys were swinging for the fences, Bobby never strayed from his game. Because of his speed, a walk would turn into a double. He was cool under pressure, and always in control of his at-bats. He was the best combination of power, speed, and patience at the plate.”
The one thing Abreu couldn’t seem to do was gain full appreciation for his broad set of gifts. Despite enough promise to land on Baseball America’s Top 100 Prospects list four times, his first two teams, the Astros and Rays, sold unfathomably low on him. On the advice of Ed Wade, who was about to replace him as the Phillies’ general manager, Lee Thomas scored quite a coup in acquiring him just before he turned 24. Abreu excelled perennially, but the core of players that Wade and the Phillies amassed — some of whom would eventually help the team dominate the NL East — didn’t jell during Abreu’s tenure, and so he toiled in semi-obscurity.
From 1998, his first year as a regular in Philadelphia, to 2004, he was the game’s fifth- or sixth-most valuable player according to the two flavors of WAR, behind only Barry Bonds, Alex Rodriguez, Todd Helton (via B-Ref), Andruw Jones, and teammate Scott Rolen. Yet not until the last of those seasons, his age-30 campaign, did Abreu make his first All-Star team. He made just two during his 18 seasons and won a single Gold Glove, albeit only after his his fielding took a turn for the worse.
Abreu wasn’t perfect. He developed a reputation for moodiness early in his career and gave his first manager in Philadelphia, Terry Francona, headaches. As early as 1999, he gained a reputation for his aversion to outfield walls. His selectivity at the plate — he swung at just 34.9% of all pitches from 2002 (when our splits start) to ’14, the majors’ third-lowest rate — was sometimes mistaken for passivity. He became a target for criticism because he didn’t fit the blue-collar mold of so many Philadelphia favorites. When he was traded to the Yankees in mid-2006, the year before the Phillies embarked upon their a streak of five straight division titles, one writer referred to Abreu as a “fan punching bag.” Even so, Bowa, then serving as the Yankees’ third base coach, recommended the trade to general manager Brian Cashman.
The Phillies Wall of Fame is one thing, but the greater honor of the Baseball Hall of Fame will be another story. While Abreu was roughly a six-win player for that 1998–2004 run, he’s a bit short of the JAWS standard for right fielders, though he’s one spot ahead of Vladimir Guerrero, who was elected in 2018. When he debuted on the 2020 ballot, the question wasn’t whether he’d ever get to 75%, but whether he’d clear the 5% needed to retain his eligibility. He did, albeit by just two votes. Between last year’s comparatively thin slate and the launch of a campaign by the Phillies, he got a closer look during last year’s cycle, and improved his share of the vote, albeit from just 5.5% to 8.7%. Mine was one of the 35 votes he received; after he was the final cut from my virtual ballot process in 2020, I had ample room to include him on my first actual ballot.
| Player | Career WAR | Peak WAR | JAWS |
|---|---|---|---|
| Bobby Abreu | 60.2 | 41.6 | 50.9 |
| Avg. HOF RF | 71.1 | 42.4 | 56.7 |
| H | HR | AVG/OBP/SLG | OPS+ |
| 2,470 | 288 | .291/.395/.475 | 128 |
Born on March 11, 1974 in Maracay, Venezuela, Abreu was the second of six children of mother Aguenda and father Nelson Abreu, a baseball fanatic whose job was loading crates onto trucks, which in the impoverished village of Turmero made the family comparatively middle class (which meant “no in-house telephones and minimal hot running water,” according to Jeff Pearlman’s 2001 Sports Illustrated profile). Nelson imparted Bob Kelly Abreu with a middle name in honor of Pat Kelly, a former All-Star outfielder who starred in the Venezuelan Winter League. Bob and brothers Nelson (the oldest), Dennys, and Nielsen all played professionally, though only Dennys rose above High-A. The boys played stickball in the streets of Turmero and soaked in the baseball wisdom of their father, who watched any American game that he could.
Abreu gravitated to baseball, and at age 14, while playing in a national tournament, came to the attention of Andres Reiner, a Hungarian-born scout who was in the process of convincing the Astros to finance a baseball academy in Valencia, about 20 miles away. For two years, Abreu split his time between attending classes and playing baseball at the nascent academy. In August 1990, when Abreu was 16, he signed a professional contract with the Astros, thus becoming the first of a wave of Venezuela-born players whom the team would sign via Reimer, a list that includes Raul Chavez, Freddy Garcia, Carlos Guillen, Richard Hidalgo, Melvin Mora, Roberto Petagine, and Johan Santana. He began his stateside professional career in 1991 and, after hitting .292/.375/.402 with eight homers and 15 steals for the Astros’ Asheville affiliate, cracked the Baseball America Top 100 prospects list at No. 95.
Unfortunately, shortly after Abreu signed with Houston, his father was hit by a car in Turmero, an accident that left him a paraplegic. In 1992, while Bobby was playing in the VWL, he learned that his father had flown to Cuba for surgery in hopes of restoring feeling to his legs and had died in the operating room. Shortly afterwards, Bobby began asking people to call him by his father’s nickname, “El Comedulce,” a moniker that was nebulous in origin but that loosely translates to “the candy-eater.”
By 1995, Abreu’s age-21 season, he was in Triple-A, hitting .304/.395/.516 with 17 triples (tops in the Pacific Coast League), 16 steals, and 10 homers for the Astros’ Tucson affiliate, a performance that pushed him to 29th on BA’s list. He was slightly less successful while repeating the level and reportedly sulked after being sent down at the end of spring training, though the Astros still thought highly enough of him to recall him for a September cup of coffee. His debut, on September 1 against the Pirates, was the ultimate in anticlimax, as he was announced as a pinch-hitter but was replaced when the Pirates switched from righty Chris Holt to lefty Dan Plesac. He went 0-for-10 with a walk in his first 10 games before finally collecting his first hit, a pinch-hit single off the Mets’ Bobby Jones on September 24.
Abreu opened the 1997 season as the Astros’ starting right fielder and reeled off a nine-game hitting streak, but he was batting just .245/.335/.361 before fracturing a hamate bone in his right hand. Lost in the outfield shuffle upon returning in early July, he played just five games before being sent back to Tucson. “He went to Triple A with a poor attitude, and he had a bad year,” Astros general manager Gerry Hunsicker told SI. “He looked like he was going backward.”
Though Abreu made the team’s playoff roster, the Astros soured upon him to the point of leaving him unprotected in the expansion draft; beyond his attitude were concerns about his ability to hit breaking balls and his tentative baserunning. Teams could protect only 15 players from the entire organization for the first round of 14 picks by the new Arizona Diamondbacks and Tampa Bay Devil Rays, and Houston chose to protect Hidalgo over Abreu, who was taken sixth by Tampa Bay, then immediately flipped to the Phillies in exchange for light-hitting shortstop Kevin Stocker in a prearranged trade.
Stocker produced just 2.7 WAR while batting .250/.329/.347 (75 OPS+) in three seasons for the new club. Abreu began the 1998 season as the Phillies’ right fielder by hitting back-to-back singles off the Mets’ Jones (I realized during writing this that I attended this 14-inning slog, or most of it), and cleared Stocker’s total WAR with the Devil Rays by midseason. Delivering on the promise of his prospect rankings and then some, he hit .312/.409/.497 for a 135 OPS+ with 17 homers, 19 steals, and off-the-charts defense (+28 runs, according to Total Zone); his 6.4 WAR just missed cracking the league’s top 10.
No matter, for Abreu would more or less approximate that level for the next six seasons, delivering 35.2 WAR (5.9 per year) from 1999 to 2004, with a low of 5.2 in ’01 (the only year in this span in which he didn’t crack the top 10) and a high of 6.6 in ’04. In ’99, he hit .335/.446/.549, leading the league with 11 triples to go with his 27 steals and 20 homers; he placed third in batting average and on-base percentage (both would stand as career highs) and seventh in OPS+ (147) and WAR (6.1).
Scarcely anybody noticed, for Abreu didn’t make the NL All-Star team, though he did get twice as many points as Barry Bonds in the NL MVP voting — just enough to place 23rd. The story was similar in 2000 (25 homers, 28 steals, 143 OPS+, 6.2 WAR) save for a lack of MVP consideration. He finished a comparatively lofty 16th in the voting in 2001, when he set career highs with 31 homers and 36 steals (his first 30-30 season), but still, All-Star-dom eluded him.
It didn’t help that the Phillies were busy going nowhere even with a young nucleus that included 1996 second-round pick Jimmy Rollins, ’97 NL Rookie of the Year Scott Rolen, ’97 second-rounder Randy Wolf, and ’98 No. 1 pick Pat Burrell. After winning just 68 games in 1997, their first year under Francona, they won 75, then 77 games before sinking back to 65 in 2000; in late July of that year, they traded away staff ace Curt Schilling, who in April 1997 had accepted a below-market three-year extension to stay.
Francona got the axe at the end of that season, but not before running out of patience with Abreu, who despite his outstanding performances had rankled the manager with his chronic tardiness. Per Pearlman, veteran teammates questioned Abreu’s commitment, and Francona’s authority was undercut when he attempted to send Abreu home after a late arrival, only to have the discipline vetoed by Wade. “Bobby is a wonderful kid,” Francona said, “but last year he got a little sloppy. A lot of it was him going through the growing pains that come with the responsibility of being a very good player. I’ll tell you this — Bobby Abreu is very, very good.”
Abreu straightened out under Bowa, a notorious hardass who in his opening salvo told his players, “Don’t be late. If you are, check in and then go home. Because if you’re late, it means you don’t give a s—.” The Phillies won 86 games that year, as well as in three out of Bowa’s four seasons, but they couldn’t finish any higher than second in the NL East. Abreu, who signed a five-year, $64 million extension in February 2002, kept chugging along, producing a combined 11.4 WAR in 2002–03 with a pair of 20-homer, 100-walk seasons, batting averages of at least .300 and on-base percentages of at least .400. While he may have found a comfort zone with the more old-school manager, Bowa played a significant part in chasing off Rolen, who was dealt to St. Louis for Placido Polanco and two pitchers, a significant step back for the Phillies’ lineup.
Finally, in 2004, Abreu broke through. In the midst of a .301/.428/.544, 30-homer, 40-steal campaign, the 30-year-old right fielder was finally named to an All-Star team, though his game action was limited to striking out in a pinch-hitting appearance. His 6.6 WAR was a career best, ranking eighth in the league, but even so, in the Phillies’ unhappy clubhouse, teammate Billy Wagner confronted him and charged him with not hustling on defense.
Under new manager Charlie Manuel, Abreu’s 2005 wasn’t nearly as strong (126 OPS+, 3.6 WAR), but he was voted to start in the All-Star Game, the first Phillies outfielder to attain that honor since Lenny Dykstra in 1995. Even before going 1-for-2 with a walk from the leadoff spot for the NL squad, he turned heads by winning the Home Run Derby. Selected to represent Venezuela in a format designed to dovetail with the announcement of the 2006 World Baseball Classic, Abreu set records with 24 homers in the first round and 41 overall, besting Puerto Rico’s Ivan Rodriguez in the finals.
Despite the show, Abreu became a poster boy for the mythical Derby hangover effect when he hit just six homers in the second half after 18 in the first. He won his only Gold Glove at season’s end, though it was a dubious selection based more on reputation than metrics (-8 DRS, -7 UZR, his first time in the red via the former).
The power outage carried over somewhat, as Abreu homered just eight times in his first 98 games in 2006. With the team seven games below .500 in late July, the Phillies traded Abreu and pitcher Cory Lidle to the Yankees for a package of four prospects headlined by former first-round pick C.J. Henry; only one prospect dealt (reliever Matt Smith) even got a cup of coffee in Philadelphia.
The Yankees needed a full-time right fielder in the absence of the injured Gary Sheffield, as Bernie Williams simply wasn’t up to the task in what proved to be his final season. Abreu, who had hit a still-useful .277/.427/.434 (118 OPS+) prior to the deal, recaptured his All-Star form, batting .330/.419/.507 (138 OPS+) with seven homers in 58 games in pinstripes. Though he drove in four runs in the Yankees’ Division Series-opening victory against the Tigers and went 5-for-15 with a walk overall, the Yankees were eliminated in four games.
Abreu spent two more seasons in the Bronx, the second of them after the Yankees picked up his $16 million option for 2008. Though no longer playing at an elite level as he moved into his mid-30s — early-season slumps in both years dragged his final numbers down, and he was 11 runs below average defensively each year — he hit a combined .289/.370/.458 (116 OPS+) with 36 homers, 47 steals, and 5.1 WAR over those two seasons, and furthered his streak of 100-RBI seasons to six. The Yankees couldn’t get past the Indians in the former year, Joe Torre’s final one at the helm; Abreu hit .267/.353/.533 with a ninth-inning homer in Game 4, shortly before the team was eliminated. In the latter year, a banged-up Yankees squad missed the postseason for the first time in the Wild Card era. Meanwhile, Abreu’s ex-Phillies teammates won the World Series.
Abreu hit free agency that fall, but met a rather frosty reception as he tried to counter the notion that he was “a serial compiler,” to use Jerry Crasnick’s term. Reportedly seeking either a three-year deal or two years plus a vesting option for $15–16 million annually, he had to settle for a one-year, $5 million deal from the Angels in early February, just before camps opened. He was more than worth it, delivering 3.2 WAR (the best season he would have after 2006) while hitting .293/.390/.435 with 15 homers and 30 steals. The performance helped the Angels win their third straight AL West title, and they swept the Red Sox in the Division Series. Abreu went 5-for-9 in the series and was right in the middle of Game 3’s three-run ninth-inning rally against Boston closer Jonathan Papelbon, smacking an RBI double and scoring what proved to be the series-clinching run. He struggled in the ALCS against the Yankees, however, going just 4-for-25.
Abreu parlayed that strong 2009 season into a two-year extension with an option along the lines of what he had previously sought, albeit with just $19 million guaranteed. Though he managed 20 homers, 24 steals, and a 118 OPS+ in 2010, he sank to a 105 OPS+ with eight homers in ’11 while spending most of the season as a DH. His $9 million option vested, but between the arrival of Albert Pujols in free agency and the return of Kendrys Morales from a year-and-a-half absence due to a broken leg, playing time was hard to come by in early 2012, and he made just 27 plate appearances before being released on April 27 so that the Angels could call up a top prospect named Mike Trout.
Quickly resurfacing with the Dodgers, Abreu hit for a 97 OPS+ while spending time in a left field platoon, but the July 31 deadline acquisition of Shane Victorino, his former teammate in Philadelphia, consigned him to a pinch-hitting role thereafter. After sitting out the 2013 season while tending to business interests in Venezuela, the 40-year-old Abreu parlayed a strong VWL showing into a minor league deal with the Phillies. Cut in late March, he caught a similar deal with the Mets, whose manager, Terry Collins, had piloted the Astros when Abreu debuted. Though he flirted with a .300 batting average in late May and early June, he finished at .248/.342/.338 in 155 PA and, near the end of the season, announced his retirement.
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Aside from stealing exactly 400 bases, Abreu fell just short of some round-numbered milestones that could have helped his Hall of Fame case. He’s 30 hits short of 2,500, 12 homers short of 300, nine points short of a career .300 batting average (he was above the mark until 2009), five points short of a .400 on-base percentage (he slipped below in ’11), and 25 points short of a .500 slugging percentage. The first three of those account for a potential 26 points in the Hall of Fame Monitor, which dishes out credit for things that have tended to sway Hall of Fame voters: seasons or careers at .300, awards, league leads in key stats, playoff appearances, and so on. That said, for as much of a stathead favorite as Abreu is, he hardly eschewed the more traditional markers of success. Even with just the two All-Star selections and the lone Gold Glove, he scores 94 (short of “a good possibility”) on the Monitor thanks largely to his six seasons hitting .300, eight with at least 100 RBI, and eight with at least 100 runs scored.
Abreu’s biggest selling point isn’t batting average but his elite ability to get on base. From 1998 to 2011, he ranked in his league’s top 10 in walks 12 times, not counting ’06, when he led the majors despite being dealt between leagues. Seven times he was among his league’s top five, and for his career, his 1,476 walks rank 20th. From 1998 to 2005, he was among the NL’s top 10 in on-base percentage seven times, and in the majors’ top 10 in ’06. He didn’t come close to 3,000 hits, but his total of 3,949 times on base (hits plus walks plus hit-by-pitches) is 49th all-time, directly above Hall of Famers Tim Raines, Tony Gwynn, Jesse Burkett, and Harold Baines (all but Burkett had more plate appearances). Among players with at least 7,000 PA, Abreu’s .395 on-base percentage is in a virtual tie for 43rd. His 128 OPS+ is tied for 109th, two points below Carl Yastrzemski, Roberto Clemente, and Dave Winfield, one below Zack Wheat and Eddie Murray, tied with Goose Goslin and Jim Rice, and one point ahead of Rickey Henderson, Willie Keeler, and Bill Dickey. All of those are Hall of Famers.
Abreu’s case via WAR and JAWS is a bit less convincing. His 369 batting runs (the primary offensive component of WAR) is 83rd all time, but he didn’t add overwhelming value via other aspects of his game. While successful on 75.8% of his stolen base attempts, he was just 16 runs above average as a baserunner, the lowest mark of any post-1920 player with at least 400 attempts and a 75% success rate; that said, he did add another 17 for double play avoidance (20th for the Wild Card era). He was more or less average in the field, a net -7 runs for his career.
Overall, Abreu ranked among the league’s top 10 in WAR five times (and just missed a sixth). His total of 60.2 ranks 19th at the position, 0.3 below Sheffield, 0.2 above Ichiro Suzuki, and 0.7 above Guerrero; he’s above 14 of the 28 enshrined non-Negro Leagues right fielders but 10.9 WAR below the standard at a very top-heavy position. His 41.6 peak WAR ranks 16th, ahead of 17 of the 28 enshrined, including Gwynn and Guerrero, and just 0.8 below the standard.
Abreu is 20th in JAWS, 5.8 points below the standard, ahead of 14 of the 28 Hall of Famers. The rankings from no. 14, the first spot below the standard, to 23 make for an outstanding collection of late 20th- and early 21st-century players: Gwynn, Dwight Evans, Reggie Smith, Ichiro, Sammy Sosa, and Winfield are directly above Abreu, and below the standard as well, while Guerrero is directly below him, followed by Bobby Bonds and Sheffield. Gwynn, Winfield, and Guerrero (one of two BBWAA-elected right fielders who rank below Abreu, the other being the 26th-ranked Keeler) are in the Hall already. Ichiro will be as soon as he’s eligible, while Evans, Sosa, and Sheffield are three guys whose inclusion or exclusion on various ballots I’ve agonized over for countless hours. So too with Abreu, who’s admittedly in borderline territory, but if Winfield with his 3,000-plus hits is a first-ballot guy and Guerrero with his style and substance a second-ballot one — both while notably below standard according to JAWS — then we can at least take a closer look to see if there’s room for one more.
| Player | Career | Peak | WAR | PA | OPS+ | Rbat | Rbase | RDP | Rdef |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Dave Winfield | 64.2 | 37.9 | 51.1 | 12358 | 130 | 416 | 38 | -15 | -91 |
| Bobby Abreu | 60.2 | 41.6 | 50.9 | 10081 | 128 | 369 | 16 | 17 | -8 |
| Vladimir Guerrero | 59.5 | 41.2 | 50.3 | 9059 | 140 | 429 | -3 | -17 | 7 |
| Gary Sheffield | 60.5 | 38.0 | 49.3 | 10947 | 140 | 561 | -1 | -11 | -195 |
Guerrero and Sheffield are the best hitters of the group, no doubt, with the latter doing it for longer. Abreu’s the most well-rounded of the bunch in terms of things besides hitting, and he’s got the best peak score of the quartet. All of which is to say that while I’m not 100% convinced he’s a Hall of Famer, I’m thoroughly certain he’s somebody who belongs in the discussion, a player who might be worth finding space for on a ballot — particularly in a year when there aren’t 10 obvious must-vote candidates — if only to ward off the Five Percent Blues.
In 2020, Abreu was the unlucky 11th man on my 10-man virtual ballot, and when I omitted him, I expected that he would join the ranks of the one-and-dones. A small group of voters surprised me by keeping him in play, and with an actual ballot in hand, I chose to join their ranks, including Abreu as well as Sheffield and Sosa. I’m leaning towards including all three again, though my mental math tells me I have at least one hard choice ahead.
I’m heartened to see that the Phillies have stepped up an effort of their own, even if some of the stat combinations they cite are of the junk drawer variety that JAWS (which goes unmentioned there) was designed to combat. Nobody cares about Abreu outranking Babe Ruth in doubles among right fielders. Campaign-wise, I don’t think any team can match what the Mariners did for Edgar Martinez — who had a stronger case for Cooperstown, and who was more fully embedded in the team’s history than Abreu is in Philadelphia — but that’s the model to which any team should aspire in launching such an effort.
You don’t need to be steeped in sabermetrics to know that 8.7% is a long way from 75%, but if the past several years have taught me anything about Hall of Fame voting, it’s that the times are changing, and with them the possibilities for candidates to make such long climbs. Split the distance between Ted Simmons, the first one-and-done candidate to be elected by the Era Committees, and Larry Walker, who sank as low as 10.2% in his fourth year of eligibility, and you can see that it ain’t over for Abreu.
Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.
This is a very interesting article, and I will say that my appreciation for Abreu has grown through the years — although I’m not sure whether it has grown enough for me to want to give him a Yes vote. I am just not sure. One question: What does he look like when measured against the Keltner criteria? Or are “Keltner criteria” a dirty word(s) here?
He does ok on “best player on team” and “best players at position”, maybe ~5 times each. Not so great on more spectacular things like MVP, pennant race narrative impact. I don’t know if that is or isn’t enough for voters who frame his career that way
I’ll take a shot at answering my own question here, having done a bit of research. Discussion encouraged:
1. Was he ever regarded as the best player in baseball? Did anybody, while he was active, ever suggest that he was the best player in baseball?
Heavens, no.
2. Was he the best player on his team?
He tossed this title back and forth with Scott Rolen for several years. I would say not on a continuing basis, but there’s room for discussion.
3. Was he the best player in baseball at his position? Was he the best player in the league at his position?
No, at least on a continuing basis. Gwynn, Ichiro, Walker, etc., set the bar pretty high on this one.
4. Did he have an impact on a number of pennant races?
I don’t know, but he wasn’t in that many as one of the very top guys on his team. Discussion?
5. Was he a good enough player that he could continue to play regularly after passing his prime?
Yes, but with the caveat that his skill set was one that aged well. (See those better RF for examples.) In general, an argument in his favor.
6. Is he the very best player in baseball history who is not in the Hall of Fame?
Not remotely close.
7. Are most players who have comparable career statistics in the Hall of Fame?
No. He’s at the upper end of the Hall of Very Good. Hear Jay.
8. Do the numbers meet Hall of Fame standards?
I’ll defer to Jay on this one.
9. Is there any evidence to suggest that the player was significantly better or worse than is suggested by his statistics?
Not that I’m aware of.
10. Is he the best player at his position who is eligible for the Hall of Fame but not in?
Probably not (Evans, R. Smith), but he’s in the conversation. This is probably his strongest Keltner-criteria case, and it needs to be taken seriously.
11. How many MVP-type season did he have? Did he ever win an MVP award? If not, how many times was he close?
None. A decent down-ballot selection many times, but never at the very top.
12. How many All-Star-type seasons did he have? How many All-Star games did he play in? Did most of the other players who played in this many games get in?
“All-Star-type seasons” is a bit murky here. He had quite a few where he might marginally (or even reasonably) have fit, but only one or two where there wasn’t a better RF in the starting spot or available for that spot. He was on two AS teams. Most HoFers had a lot more than that.
13. If this man were the best player on his team, would it be likely that the team could win the pennant?
No.
14. What impact did the player have on baseball history? Was he responsible for any rule changes? did he introduce any new equipment? did he change the game in any way?
No. Routine very good player in a stable time for the game. (I don’t consider this one of the more insightful Keltner questions, unless one is looking at an old-timer.)
15. Did the player uphold the standards of sportsmanship and character that the Hall of Fame, in its written guidelines, instructs us to consider?
As far as I know, yes.
Overall, I think the Keltner criteria say that he should be considered carefully, but stop short of saying that he’s a clear yes.
#13 — He averaged over 6 rWAR for a seven year period, with highs of 6.6 and 6.4. I think that could be the best player on a pennant winning team.
That “could” be the best player on a pennant-winning team — pennants have been won by teams with worse #1 players than that — but fact is, it wasn’t in his case, and only once in that seven-year run were they even close to winning their division. Furthermore, “could be” and “likely to be” are two different things, and it’s the latter that is one of the Keltner criteria. Get up into the 8-rWAR region, and “likely that they could win” becomes a pretty good descriptor for the team’s chances (I cannot think of a recent team with an 8-rWAR guy, excluding the perennially cursed Mike Trout, that wasn’t a reasonable candidate to reach the post season). It’s arguably good enough at 7. But he wasn’t on that level. By contrast, many if not most 6- or even 7-rWAR guys have played on teams that didn’t remotely sniff chances for a pennant.
I think this is an excellent way to think about it and through this process of evaluation I don’t think he’s worthy of the Hall of Fame. I think he’s very close, but not quite there.
Bobby Abreu is seriously one of the most underrated players of all time. He was an absolutely unique combination of power and speed. In the last 93 seasons since Ty Cobb and Tris Speaker retired, only 2 players have slugged for 0.475 or better and stolen 400 or more bases in their career— Barry Bonds and Bobby Abreu. Abreu is also 1 of only 6 players with 250 home runs and 400 stolen bases (Rickey Henderson, Barry Bonds, Bobby Bonds, Joe Morgan, and Craig Biggio are the others). Add in his incredible plate discipline. Abreu owns a career 0.395 OBP, ranks 20th all time in BB, and had 8 consecutive seasons 100+ walks. In terms of WAR, he accumulated 52.3 fWAR over the 10-year period 1998-2007 which ranks 7th overall and 1st among all RF during that period. So for a decade he was the most valuable RF in the game (even more so than his contemporary Vladimir Guerrero). Abreu was consistent, year after year putting up 5 and 6 WAR seasons as well as hardly ever missing a game (played 150+ games for 13 consecutive seasons). Every former teammate and manager of Abreu’s I have seen in interviews gushed over his ability to play the game so effortlessly and smoothly and was a true 5-tool player. Bobby Abreu should be in the Hall of Fame.
The main problem people have with his candidacy is that all of his numbers when isolated do not scream “Hall of Famer”. However, when taken together he is a HOFer in my opinion. For example, in 2009 he became just the 6th player ever with 250 HRs, 2,000 H, 1,000 R, 1,000 RBI, 1,000 BB, and 300 SB. Individually, none of those stats are hall-worthy but together they make something special. That is Bobby Abreu.
For those interested, there are now 9 members of the 250 HRs, 2,000 H, 1,000 R, 1,000 RBI, 1,000 BB, and 300 SB club. They are: Barry Bonds, Willie Mays, Derek Jeter, Craig Biggio, Rickey Henderson, Carlos Beltran, Alex Rodriguez, Bobby Abreu and Joe Morgan. Pretty elite club.
Yes his case is based on career regular season batting excellence. Not a great peak nor great defense or postseason glory. It’s just a matter of what a voter values
His peak WAR (JAWS7) is the 16th best for a right fielder all-time. How is that not great?
I guess it’s a matter of opinion on whether one thinks JAWS7 is important and whether limiting it to RF is appropriate and whether ordinal ranking is the right framework and whether 16th best at anything = “great”. For example Ken Boyer was 9th on that metric. Does that make him “great”? I don’t see an indisputable answer to those questions
WAR7 (and consequently JAWS) overrates Bobby Abreu
as the gap between his best season (6.4 bwar) and his 7th best season (5.4 bwar)
is somehow smaller than the gap between his 7th best season (5.4 bwar) and 8th best season (3.6 bwar).
Abreu wouldn’t score as well if WAR6 or WAR8 (which are more or less as valid as WAR7) was used for JAWS.
Yeah, one of Abreu’s strongest selling points is that there are just not many players like him.
I’m on the fence about him, but I also think he was a more valuable player than David Ortiz; anyone else feel that way?
In the regular season easily. For me Ortiz’s case rests on postseason
For me his career is exactly borderline similar to Will Clark or Ken Boyer. It would be neither right nor wrong to include or exclude him. He was definitely better than a “serial compiler.
Gonna have to update this.
Compiler: Larry Bowa had over 2000 hits, with a career wRC+ of 70.
Compiler: Bill Buckner had over 2700 hits, with a career wRC+ of 97.
Not a Compiler: Bobby Abreu had eight seasons with an OBP over .400. It would have been nine in a row, but he got .393 one year in the middle of that.
I think there are things that you might levy against Abreu but they tend to sound silly when you say them out loud (basically: He wasn’t as exciting as these other guys because he walked a lot).
Fun fact: If you take reaches on error out of batting outs and add them back as times on base, Abreu does get to 9 in a row.
Also, in my data, the denominator for OBP is all PAs.
Abreu didn’t have the power of Sosa or Guerrero or the batting average of Gwynn or Ichiro, but his on base percentage was better than any of those 4 contemporary RFs. When you include his good baserunning, his career Offensive Runs Above Average is better than all of those four as well. Even though, I admit Abreu *felt* like less of a Hall of Famer to me when he was playing than those four did, looking at their stats, it is hard to argue for them over him.
I guess you could argue Sosa had a better peak and 600+ home runs. And you could argue Gwynn was essentially Abreu’s equal offensively, but a slightly better defender. And you can give Ichiro extra credit for a late MLB start after all he dad in Japan and 3,000+ hits. But I don’t really understand people who voted for Guerrero, but won’t vote for Abreu.
Guerrero was a Top 6 MVP five times and Abreu never finished above 12th. There are voters for whom that matters
A good amount of Guerrero’s fame came from his throwing arm, which was undeniably a cannon but the metrics also say he was a pretty brutal defender overall
Jay, I love reading your work since the Futility Infielder days. I met you many years ago (20+) at a BP Meetup at Pizzaria Unos in NYC, you, me, and Steve Goldman talked baseball.
As a Mets fan, I was definitely not as “scared” of Abreu as I was someone like Rollins or Utley or Rolen or Thome or Howard or Burrell, but I hated seeing him come to the plate. I think the star power of those teams also worked against him in the MVP and All-Star voting. Take 2004, for example, Abreu had a .971 OPS and was second on the team. He was just so consistent.
At the end of his career, I remember watching him steal what turned out to be the last base of his career (B-R says May 30th). The announcers seemed a little sad remembering the days when he was a runner. Much like Tony Gwynn, people who only saw him late career don’t remember the Gwynn who was a force on the basepaths.
I hope he makes it, but I understand why he probably won’t.
There’s a universe where Bob Kelly Abreu is born 15 years later, gets hailed as an analytical darling by his city’s friendly and welcoming media ecosystem, racks up a bunch of top-5 MVP finishes during the ten-season run where he averaged 300/400/500 and 20/20, has a couple of big playoff moments, and retires a fan favorite, with adoring crowds holding up “BBobby’s walking into the Hall” signs at his retirement ceremony.
Unfortunately, that universe is not the one we live in.
Heh. Are there ANY Philly baseball players who can answer to that description? They gave Mike F. Schmidt hell half the time he played there. Switching sports for a second Dr. J arguably.
Utley comes closest, but even he had his critics. The only recent Hall of Famer I think was unreservedly loved by Philly sports talk radio was Brian Dawkins.
From 1945-2015, there are only players 9 who maintained a .300/.400/.500 slashline over any ten-year period in which they had at least 5000 PAs and NOT in the Hall of Fame.
Those unlinked to PEDs include (n=4):
Todd Helton, Bobby Abreu, Lance Berkman, and Bernie Williams.
Those linked to PEDs include (n=5):
Barry Bonds, Manny Ramirez, Alex Rodriguez, Gary Sheffield, and Jason Giambi.
Those already in HOF (n=9):
Chipper Jones, Edgar Martinez, Frank Thomas, Larry Walker, Jeff Bagwell, Wade Boggs, Frank Robinson, Mickey Mantle, and Stan Musial.
Oh that goes without saying. Bobby Abreu has a very different reputation if he played today, that’s true of a lot of players, good or bad
“but the core of players that Wade and the Phillies amassed — some of whom would eventually help the team dominate the NL East — didn’t jell during Abreu’s tenure.” I don’t know if I buy this take. It wasn’t that the core of players didn’t jell, whatever that means. It was that the organization was unable to find and field major league caliber pitching. Here are bWAR for pitching and batting, 2001 to 2008.
year pitch bat
2001 6.8 22
2002 3.8 28.6
2003 8.8 27.8
2004 10.4 24.5
2005 5.6 29.9
2006 16.4 21.4
2007 4.9 32.9
2008 13.0 28.5
Pretty hard to have any team success, I think, with pitching staffs generating 10 or fewer WAR. On the other hand, batters held up their end pretty consistently (except maybe in 2001 and 2006).
If they had kept Curt Schilling things could have been a lot different
Abreu to me is a fringe candidate. Good in many ways, not outstanding in any of them though. I voted for him on my virtual ballot as I see his lack of PEDs and other issues as refreshing compared to the candidates with baggage.
A career .395 OBP is outstanding
Abreu played during the steroids era and I do not recall him being sited for using. If that’s true, then he is being compared to roided players and measuring up decently. I would vote for him .
The Guerrero comp is very interesting, especially given that they were contemporaries. You can make a pretty strong case that Abreu was the better player, and yet he probably won’t come close to the HOF while Guerrero made it in relatively easily. I guess it because Guerrero’s skills were more “fun”, even if they weren’t necessarily more valuable, while Abreu’s skillset was “boring”
Sheffield and Guerrero’s careers were, by quality and position, very similar. I don’t think it’s particularly fair to Abreu to put them in and keep him out because that pair just did so in a flashier manner. He might make for a slightly below-average HoFer, but to me, 60 career WAR after integration belongs in the Hall. There’s much more borderline players who got voted in via ballot, let alone by committee. I’m not going to penalize Abreu for not being a media darling in Philly, whose sportswriters and often fans treat their star players with, shall we say, a critical eye.
Very nice piece, good balance.. He was a very good player, but I wonder if he wasn’t hurt by the steroid era when it came to recognition. There was always someone doing something spectacular and eye catching.
Abreu has gone from an underrated hitter to an overrated HOF candidate.
“ one writer referred to Abreu as a “fan punching bag.” Even so, Bowa, then serving as the Yankees’ third base coach, recommended the trade to general manager Brian Cashman.”
What a tool! I couldn’t find the writer. Probably whispered it among other writers. Liquor courage and a pen. I guess that’s why most writers continuously take player’s sides in disputes with owners because when you hear a comment like that it sticks with you.
I do not think Edgar Martinez had a stronger case for the HOF than Abreu because he was primarliy a DH and in my opinion WAR does not discount DH’s nearly enough – not by a long shot. Matinez had a BREF dWAR of -9.0 while the like of Bobby Abreu were playing in the outfield and his case had a dWAR of -10.9! Seriously, that is BS that a player who played and contribited on defense had nearly two fewer wins than someone offering nothing on defense. So in my calculation, Abreu is far worthier.
If your going to penalize cheaters and not let them in, then you have to give a bonus point or several to the non cheaters you are comparing them too. Abreu has more career War than many in the Hall. He played during steroids without juicing as far as anyone knows. So steroids players are hurting his comparative stats. He should be an open and shut case to any fair voter. A YES!