Jhoulys Chacin’s Matchup Problem
After throwing Jhoulys Chacin on short rest for the division title two weeks ago and then in Game Two of the NLDS against Colorado shortly after that, Brewers manager Craig Counsell opted to skip Chacin for the first two games of the NLCS against the Dodgers. As I noted last week, the move made sense: while Chacin functions as the club’s nominal ace, the Brewers nevertheless gained an advantage over the Dodgers by throwing two left-handed starters.
The plan very nearly worked: Milwaukee took the first game of the series, then took a 3-2 lead into the eighth of Game Two before the bullpen coughed up the victory. With the series headed back to Los Angeles, Chacin will get his first start of the NLCS after eight days of rest. The Dodgers could provide some matchup problems for Chacin.
Jhoulys Chacin has always had platoon issues. By that standard, this season was no different. Against right-handers this year, Chacin struck out 24% of batters, walked 7%, and gave up a homer to one out of every 56 batters. When at a platoon disadvantage, however, Chacin struck out just 15% of batters, walked 11%, and gave up a homer to one out of every 37 batters he faced. The Dodgers — thanks in part to lefties Cody Bellinger, Max Muncy, and Joc Pederson, and also switch-hitting Yasmani Grandal — put up an MLB-best 124 wRC+ (non-pitchers) against right-handed pitching this season. It’s clear, in light of this, why Counsell might have avoided using Chacin for a few games after a heavy recent workload and a couple lefty options. Moving Chacin’s game to Los Angeles also meant moving away from Miller Park, the third-best stadium in baseball for left-handed home runs. The Dodgers do play in a park that is homer-friendly for lefties, but not to the extent of Milwaukee.
The thing to watch, in particular, will be how Chacin’s slider fares against Dodgers hitters. This season, the Dodgers have been one of the very best teams in baseball against right-handed sliders, per Baseball Savant.

These numbers alone don’t tell the complete story, however, as a left-heavy lineup such as the one possessed by Dodgers is going to see fewer righty sliders. Pitch-sequencing also plays a big role in the effectiveness of a pitch. To get a more specific idea of how the Dodgers might perform tonight against Chacin, here are the Dodgers’ expected starters for Game Three and their numbers against right-handed sliders both (a) this season and (b) over the past five years.
| Player | 2018 PA | 2018 wOBA | 2014-18 PA | 2014-18 wOBA |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Joc Pederson | 49 | .234 | 204 | .307 |
| Justin Turner | 46 | .327 | 290 | .357 |
| Max Muncy | 50 | .314 | 81 | .260 |
| Manny Machado | 111 | .402 | 488 | .310 |
| Cody Bellinger | 40 | .401 | 106 | .406 |
| Yasmani Grandal | 45 | .277 | 235 | .264 |
| Enrique Hernandez | 59 | .371 | 182 | .199 |
| Yasiel Puig | 75 | .401 | 386 | .362 |
It’s difficult to know what conclusions to draw from these numbers. Enrique Hernandez has been good this year but terrible in years past. It’s possible a more contact-oriented approach overall has helped him improve on a pitch against which he has previously struggled. Based on these numbers, it would appear the players most likely to succeed for the Dodgers are Justin Turner and Yasiel Puig with Yasmani Grandal having the potential to struggle. While not predictive, I do feel compelled to note that Chacin had his worst start of the season against the Dodgers. On August 2, he struck out three, walked four, and gave up home runs to Cody Bellinger (slider inside), Joc Pederson (splitter), and Yasiel Puig (slider).
Chacin’s slider isn’t exactly an ordinary offering, either. As Jeff Sullivan detailed prior to Chacin’s start against the Rockies, the slider has been one of the best pitches in all baseball. Chacin backed up Sullivan’s words by throwing the pitch 39 times and getting eight whiffs and another eight called strikes. Sullivan noted the massive increase in slider usage over the past few years, so I asked Chacin about that increase following his performance against Colorado.
Here’s his response:
Well, actually what happened last year in San Diego, when I signed with them, the first thing they told me was to use my slider more to lefties, because lefties, those are the hitters that [give me] more trouble. [T]hey said I didn’t throw [my slider] much to lefties, and the little that I used to throw, I got them out. I started working out a lot in spring training backwards and back foot, and, just like, [had] a good year last year and didn’t change anything for this year. Actually, [I] was trying just to get another pitch and use my changeup or splitter. But still, like you said, just throw my slider more than anything else and just having success. I’m not going to change that.
In his piece, Sullivan put in a five-game rolling graph of Chacin’s slider usage that backs up the righty’s point.

To add some further detail regarding Chacin’s increased usage to lefties, here are his yearly usage totals against both sides of the plate.

Before we get to lefties, let’s take a brief look at the pitch against right-handers. The heat maps below show the slider to right-handers from 2012 to -16, then 2017, then 2018.

Not too much has changed. Chacin seems to have thrown the pitch a little bit more in the zone, but some of that is probably necessity given he uses the pitch more than 50% of the time against right-handers. When he gets ahead, Chacin can tempt hitters to chase outside the zone, like the strikeout of Nolan Arenado last game.
What we see against righties is typical slider usage, as the pitch goes down and away. Chacin used to throw the pitch in the same location to lefties, as well. Over the past two years, however, a different pattern has emerged. Chacin started to pitch backwards, like he mentioned. The data, again, support his claim:

We can see Chacin starting to pitch to the outside corner more in 2017. He did it enough in 2018 that two central locations show up. Sullivan already showed what the outside pitch looks like, so we will repeat that below.
That pitch could be important for Chacin as he navigates the lefties in the Dodgers’ lineup because none of them hit the ball to the opposite field with any regularity.
| Player | Oppo% as LHH | Rank (Out of 149) |
|---|---|---|
| Max Muncy | 24.1% | 96 |
| Joc Pederson | 22.9% | 108 |
| Cody Bellinger | 22.7% | 112 |
| Yasmani Grandal | 17.6% | 145 |
All four of the Dodgers’ left-handed hitters are below average when it comes to taking the ball to the opposite field. They are all power pull hitters, which isn’t a bad thing in itself but which might mean they’re less inclined to jump on a first-pitch slider on the outer part of the zone. Muncy seems the most likely, and he does have good results going to the opposite field, but it still isn’t a big part of his game. Bellinger and Pederson have good numbers going to the opposite field, as well, though some of that is grounders against the shift that were likely unintentional. These batters are much more likely to wait for a slider that comes inside or catches more of the strike zone. That’s something we might see tonight, though most of the damage done by lefties against Chacin has come against the sinker.
Jhoulys Chacin is having a very good postseason, but he will be facing his most difficult test with a very good Dodgers lineup. Chacin’s ability to get swings and outs with his slider is likely to be key. Los Angeles knows what’s coming, and their ability to recognize the pitch and swing at strikes could make the difference tonight.
Craig Edwards can be found on twitter @craigjedwards.
who are they fooling starting jhoulys chacin…….his era versus the dodgers over the last 10 years is 4.79………..this guy has seen the dodgers some 27 different times in the regular season because he played for everyone in their division EXCEPT san francisco! !!!!!!!
Well that didn’t quite develop as you thought.
Location, location, location!
Part of it is mixing up the pitches, but if he is not getting ahead in the count, he stands virtually no shot, and Counsell can’t have him go through the order twice if he uses up all his out pitches the first time. Getting the slider located outer edge for a strike forces the lefty to defend against that side of the plate and will result in more swings/misses and weak contact, opening up options for multiple times through the lineup.
Feels like a big advantage in this series for the Dodgers would come from getting Chacin out of the game early and forcing Milwaukee to go to the bullpen again. They’ve already pitched 10.1 innings in the series, with high pitch counts – Hader: 46, Jeffress 39, Knebel 31, Woodruff 27 compared to the Dodgers relievers – Baez 36, Floro 23, Maeda 19, Jansen 15. Maybe that doesn’t matter as much for one game, but without an announced starter in Game 4, sure looks like the Brewers are going to either have a bullpen game or an “initial out getter”. If they have to go to their bullpen early, they might be stuck using Soria, Cedeno, Burnes, Guerra, or even Peralta today for 5-6 innings, which means you’re relying on A TON of outs in Game 4 from Hader, Jeffress, Knebel and Woodruff, guys who have already thrown a lot of pitches in this series.
That might work! Jeffress has struggled, Hader and Woodruff went 5 innings with 8 K’s and 0 BB’s. That’s great. Except, Hader walked 10% of hitters this he faced this year and Woodruff walked 8%. Against one of the most patient teams in baseball, it’s unlikely they’re not going to walk anyone in extended stints again. That’s not to say they’re going to give up a lot of runs, but any inning with a few walks from one or both of them runs up the pitch counts on an already heavily used bullpen.
Maybe I’m venting out my hopes as a Dodgers fan, but it really feels like the margins for the Brewers are just razor thin in this series. If their bullpen doesn’t work out the way they want, they don’t really have a lot of other options.
to me, a huge key is Buehler tonight. Can he perform well after last start giving up 5 runs? You know tomorrow is Hill and he’s going to go only 4-5 innings. So the Dodgers pen will get taxed quite a bit as well. Brewers have already seen 4 of their key guys twice.
I suspect if the Brewers were up after 6 innings tonight we may see Hader and that’s it rest of the way. Get that 2nd win out of the way. And if they’re going to use Gio in 5 and Miley in 6, may see Gio as kind of a 1 inning lefty bridge tonight.
Well that’s the point, the Dodgers bullpen hasn’t thrown nearly as many pitches from their key relievers. Jansen has literally thrown 15 pitches, Ferguson 11, Madson 19, Wood 4, Maeda 19…Jansen, Maeda and Ferguson have thrown 45 pitches combined, Hader by himself threw 46.
Jeffress, Knebel, Hader and Woodruff, the top 4 guys in the Brewers bullpen have thrown 143 pitches in 2 games, Jansen, Maeda, Ferguson and Madson, arguably the top 4 guys in the Dodgers bullpen, have thrown 64 pitches in 2 games.
Replace Madson with Baez and it’s still only 81.
As good as Hader is, I just have a hard time expecting him to go 3 essentially perfect innings again, he’s great, but he faced 11 hitters and didn’t walk anyone…one or two walks just drives the pitch count up so high so quickly it might not be realistic.
Madson, Maeda, Fioro, and Baez have all 4 thrown quite a bit. Those are 4 key guys to bridge starter to Jansen. All 4 at least 19 pitches in 1st 2 games.
And lets not forget that the Dodgers have in essence a 7 man pen as Urias is a major unknown that you can’t really count on. His first inning he didn’t look good in the least.
Those 4 have combined for 97 pitches, which is still 46 fewer than Jeffres, Knebel, Hader and Woodruff. It’s not really even close to the Brewers usage.
Urias gave up a 359 foot HR with a 101mph exit velocity and 39% launch angle…that had been a HR only 29.6% of the time this year and 22% last year. And wouldn’t have reached the warning track at Dodger Stadium. Then he allowed a single, followed by a 57mph pop up, another pop up, and a 67mph ground ball. I don’t think that’s cause for panic.
Also, the Brewers bullpen as a whole has thrown 191 pitches in 2 games, 10.1 innings. That is a lot of workload, and it’s a lot of workload per inning.
The Dodgers bullpen has thrown 151 in 9.2 innings so they’ve thrown 40 fewer pitches and thrown almost a pitch per out less than Milwaukee, 5.20 for LA vs 6.16 for MIL
one thing with that though- the Dodgers have a lot more guys seeing pa’s than the Brewers. The Brewers have 5 guys that played the entire game both games. Another 2 that missed only like 1 PA. The Dodgers have only 3 guys that played the entire game both games.
dodgers with 5 guys with more than 5 pa’s in the series.
Brewers have 7 guys with more than 5 pa’s in the series.
So with that the Brewers are getting the same batters facing the same pitchers multiple times. Dodgers not necessarily the same thing at all. Eventually that can be huge.
Since he was with the Padees in 2017, I’ve seen Chacin pitch against the Dodgers a lot.
He has consistently gotten crushed in Dodger Stadium while holding his own elsewhere. In 3 starts at Dodger Stadiumn since the start of 2017, hes allowed 18 runs in 12.2 innings.
Guess the Brewers should just forfeit.
Shows you how good Counsell and his staff are at preparing for this. They used Hader in game 1 so that he could rest for 2 days and be ready for this game. LA starts with a lefty heavy lineup. Chacin for a few innings and then Hader the lefty for a few innings.
Air tight point except: What if it’s 4-1 in the 3rd inning? Still going to use Hader for 3 innings? Also what about the 7-9th innings? Brewers going to get steamrolled. Should be fun to watch,
That’s exactly the issue with the bullpenning strategy…you don’t want to use Hader in a game that you’re trailing by multiple runs, but then when do you use him? If he doesn’t pitch in back to back games, which is basically what Milwaukee has said and done this year, he has to be used to tonight cause if he doesn’t pitch until Game 4, he’s not available for Game 5. So if you’re down 4-1 or 5-0 or 3-0 or whatever it is and you don’t win the game, you’ve burned Hader in a game you lost, and now he’s not available for Game 4, when you’re potentially leading (ala Game 2), or you risk only having him pitch in 1 of 3 games at Dodger Stadium as a pretty heavy underdog.
It’s not that this CAN’T work for Milwaukee, but the margins are so thin that if things don’t go 80-90-100% as planned, they’re put in an even worse position than they already are with a significant enough talent deficit to be only 31.4% (fangraphs) to win this series, tied 1-1.
I am cheating because the game is already in the 6th… it didn’t go anything like that. This is not rocket science as much as people off the field need to pretend that it is. That narrative is how they attempt to promote their importance and stay relevant.
It’s not rocket science so long as the game is going well, or very poorly. When it’s on the margins, decisions get tougher.
So far Counsell’s decisions haven’t been too tough. Jefferes is looking shakey AF tho, and he’s either got to get that figured out or it will cost them somewhere.
Bellinger in CF is inexcusable. Between he and Machado at SS, the Dodgers are really giving a lot away.
Welp!
It looks to me like the original idea may have been to use hader long in game 3 assuming the game was close, but when the brewers got a good lead the thinking changed to just having him throw a few pitches so that he’d be available for a long stint in game 4, as the brewers have a lot better chance against hill than kershaw, plus that would leave hader fresher to go all out in games 6 and 7.
Wow, almost everyone in this discussion is getting downvoted no matter what they say. What can we conclude from this?