Kim Ng Broke Through Two Ceilings

On Friday, when the Marlins announced they had hired Kim Ng as their new general manager, they set off a tidal wave of celebratory reactions from people both inside and outside baseball. That’s to be expected when a glass ceiling is broken. Her success was a triumph for women who have always had to fight for their place in the sport.

As soon as the news of Ng’s hiring went public, a question quickly gained prominence: How do you pronounce Ng? Media outlets reporting her hiring revealed a checkered understanding of the answer. The worst offender went with the extremely phonetic interpretation of “N-G.” Most got close, and those familiar with her work in baseball got it right. (To be clear, she pronounces it “ang,” which differs from the pronunciation of some Chinese Americans, who might pronounce it “ing.”

The widespread confusion about something as basic as Ng’s name is an extension of a few all too common questions most Asian Americans are familiar with: What are you? Where are you from? These reductive questions flow from the perpetual perception of foreignness that colors the experience of many Asian people in America. And it shows why Ng’s ascent to the top position in the Marlins organization is so important for Asian Americans, too.

Ng is the second Asian person to hold the position of general manager in major league baseball, and the first Asian American as well as the first Chinese American to rise to the top. Farhan Zaidi, who is of Pakistani descent, is Canadian-born and became the first Asian person to hold the title of general manager when he reached that position with the Dodgers in 2014. Ng also became just the second Asian American to become the GM in any of the major men’s North American professional sports — Rich Cho was the first when he was named GM of the Portland Trail Blazers in 2010. This dearth of Asian people in leadership positions extends to the field as well. There have been just two field managers of Asian descent in baseball, and there are just a handful of others across the other major men’s sports.

The absence of Asian people in visible leadership positions in sports merely reflects larger trends within American society. In 2018, the Harvard Business Review completed a workforce analysis focused on ethnic and racial discrimination. They found solid evidence of what’s come to be called the bamboo ceiling.

“Asian American white-collar professionals are the least likely group to be promoted from individual contributor roles into management — less likely than any other race, including blacks and Hispanics. And our analysis found that white professionals are about twice as likely to be promoted into management as their Asian American counterparts.”

A year earlier, the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health published a series of studies analyzing discrimination in America. They reported that in the context of institutional discrimination, “a quarter or more of Asian Americans say they have been personally discriminated against because they are Asian when applying for jobs (27%) or when being paid equally or considered for promotions (25%).”

That Ng finally rose to her position while having to navigate the intersectional discrimination of being both a woman and Asian is a triumph — and damning for the system that held her back from ascending to the top earlier. This graphic that accompanied the Marlins’ announcement speaks volumes.

With more than 30 years of experience in baseball, including being named the youngest Assistant GM in baseball history, Ng was more than qualified to run a front office. She had interviewed for general manager openings at least six other times and each time fell short. Some of those previous opportunities seemed like mere formalities, a way for teams to tick a box on their diversity checklist. “There were times where I felt like the interview wasn’t maybe on the up-and-up,” said Ng in her introductory media session. “But I will say that just by having my name out there was a source of hope for people. And so you do it because you know that you just have to keep your name out there.” It’s a testament to her tenacity and determination that she never gave her dream up; it’s an indication of a deeply flawed system that she had to show such perseverance.

The common form of discrimination Asian people confront in America is that of a perpetual foreignness. Based on their appearance, Asian people are often assumed to be immigrants and speak a foreign language, and are often lumped into a homogenous racial group, stripping away the particularities of their specific ethnicity. This constant othering results in a persistent sense that Asians don’t belong in America, and no amount of success or achievements will ever change that.

This kind of discrimination is something that Ng has had to deal with throughout her career, most publicly in this incident from 2003.

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“According to witnesses, [Mets scout Bill] Singer approached Ng in the bar of the hotel where the meetings occurred. After asking Ng, the highest-ranking Asian American in the major leagues, questions about her background in a sarcastic tone, Singer began speaking nonsensically in mock Chinese before eventually leaving.”

Pablo Torre of ESPN encapsulated this incident in a segment for the ESPN Daily podcast.

Despite thriving baseball cultures in East Asia, particularly in Japan and Korea, Asian players have always had to fight to be accepted in American baseball. When Ichiro made the transition to the major leagues, his foreignness was heavily emphasized. He was labeled “diminutive” and called an “import.” Even after winning the Rookie of the Year and MVP in his debut season, there were still some who resisted accepting him in Seattle. They derided his lack of pop and questioned the value of a slap hitter who only collected singles.

Asian Americans have historically been underrepresented in entertainment and media. That lack of representation extends to baseball as well. A steady flow of Japanese and Korean players have made their way to America since Hideo Nomo and Ichiro broke through. But the number of Asian Americans — that is American-born and of Asian descent — in baseball has been miniscule throughout its history. A rough estimate of the number of Asian American players to make it to the majors lands in the double-digits.

Ng’s story is a poignant one for Asian Americans. Seeing an Asian American succeed in the face of systemic inequity is inspiring. As a Chinese American, I am well versed in the type of discrimination she endured during her career. I understand the loneliness that comes from working in an industry where there are few who look like you. Her journey signals to me that I have a place in this sport. More importantly, she gives me a strong example to show my own daughter as she grows up. Marc Carig of The Athletic had a similar moment of clarity:

There is power in representation. Ng herself has recognized that power in this moment.

“The idea that it has affected this many people is just extraordinary. I thought it would be a big deal, but this is beyond my expectations. I think that really is just a testament to where we are. People are looking for hope, and people are looking for inspiration, and I’m happy that this is a part of it.”





Jake Mailhot is a contributor to FanGraphs. A long-suffering Mariners fan, he also writes about them for Lookout Landing. Follow him on BlueSky @jakemailhot.

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D-WizMember since 2019
5 years ago

Its’s been a good month for Asian American women breaking through ceilings – surprised there was no mention of Kamala Harris ascending to VP of the United States!

gtagomoriMember since 2017
5 years ago
Reply to  D-Wiz

Is it a good month for them? Or is it a good month for us? Are these two women truly the very first women to be qualified for their respective positions, or did the rest of us finally realize that gender isn’t supposed to be a factor in evaluating talent?

I’d say they are both well beyond qualified (which doesn’t mean either or both will be successful) and that it’s us that finally figured it out.

baubo
5 years ago

I can only speak from my own personal experience, but as a 2nd generation Chinese American who have met many Asian Americans from different countries and not just limited to East Asia, I feel part of the issue with Asian Americans in sports front office role is that there is a lack of quanity of people who seek to enter this arena in the first place.

I remember when I was still in college i wanted to take an internship with my hometown Rockets. There was no analytics hiring or anything back then like there is now, but I called and told them and asked if I could just work for free doing whatever menial number crunching tasks they may have (I was a computer engineering major so I thought I had some useful tools even pre analytics days).

Anyways they never gave me the time of the day and I’m sure I sounded like an idiot back then anyways, but the interesting thing was that whenever I brought up the story whether to my relatives or friends later, they mostly looked at me like I was crazy. Even more so after i told them how much i would’ve loved to kept working in full time position despite them paying peanuts and hours are horrible compared to normal jobs.

I feel theres just a more practical view of career among Asian Americans. The stereotype of Asian parents wanting kids to be doctors or lawyers is to an extent based on truths. And that sports is an area that’s way too high risk and too unstable for a career path. My own guess is that the issue comes mostly from Asian Americans as a group being more recent immigrants. And therefore stability and getting a good job is just focused more than “chasing your dreams.” And sports whether you want to play or seek a front office path is definitely one of those chase your dreams type of career arc. Anyways my two cents

dukewinslowMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  baubo

I dunno how old your story is but it was always wild to me that the Rockets focused so much on MBAs, oh, ten years or so ago. I remember doing a conference with the league at UNC and no one had any idea what to look for or why they hired what they were hiring. I think baseball is better than most sports in having a clearly articulated vision of the role and goals of data collection and analysis, and it shows in some maybe unintuitive ways at who they look to hire

Barney Coolio
5 years ago
Reply to  baubo

I am also Chinese American, and there is a lot of truth in what you are saying. Not a lot of Asians try for jobs like this. A big part of that is wondering if we will be given a fair chance. I will say that it seems that there are a lot of Asian Americans in sports journalism.

As far as Asians being recent immigrants, that really does matter. I taught high school in San Francisco, with a majority Asian student body, with Chinese being the number 1 ethnicity. The baseball team didn’t have many Asian boys on it. But there were the occasional Chinese immigrant who tried out for the team despite not knowing the rules and barely speaking English. I thought those guys were awesome. Also, I think that if a person is going to enjoy baseball, I think that the most important factor is whether or not your dad likes baseball. Asian fathers are less likely to be able to pass that on. Baseball can seem really boring unless you have it on on the background of your life and see it as a way to bond with your dad.

estone2005
5 years ago

Great article; had me almost in tears by the end!

Dominikk85Member since 2020
5 years ago

Asian americans rarely get to ceo positions but overall they are by far the economically successful race in the USA.

In fact the income advantage of asians over white people is just as high as the advantage of white over black people.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

Asians still get discriminated but as a group they make smart decisions into getting great education and high paid jobs instead of chasing careers in show biz, sports, music, politics and as a CEO.

I think in some regard the bamboo ceiling even helps the asians as cynical as that sounds because it makes them focus on what they can do which is getting into elite colleges and getting highly paid jobs as doctors, scientists, lawyers, engineers or software developers.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Dominikk85

I would say as an Asian American who is not typically East Asian looking at all (though for the most part I grew up in south east Asia), east and south Asian Americans face less material but still very serious racism in the United States. In fact, just in my experience, there is a lot more racial abuse “on the field of play” (through college!) towards Asians than any other group.

Dominikk85Member since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

Yeah I agree. I know some people who are quite progressive and who love black people for example but they still make asian jokes. Not like super hostile but still discriminating.

On the other hand of course economic discrimination is still the worst form of discrimination, words can hurt you but if you have money it is easy to laugh at idiots, much tougher when you are poor and you have no chance for higher education.

However I also read that not all asian races are economically “privileged”. Indian americans and I think also chinese and japanese americans make more than white people but vietnam americans make about as much as white people and some smaller asian minority groups are actually quite poor, it is just that the majority of asians in the US tends to be from the more successful groups.

But if you are not one of those people it sucks of course because you face stereotypes and economic disadvantage

dukewinslowMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Dominikk85

In big news for people who study this stuff Hmong median wealth passed Caucasian median wealth for the first time (according to the New York fed who traditionally tracks this data). Typically immigrants do well in America because the kind of people who tend to successfully immigrate also tend to be the kind of people who are successful anywhere. Hmong immigration was…. less of a choice.

deuce26
5 years ago
Reply to  Dominikk85

A genuine progressive wouldn’t make any racial distinctions.

Barney Coolio
5 years ago
Reply to  deuce26

Deuce26: Are you being serious? Or are you joking? A progressive person would not say, “An Asian is an Asian, and that is final!”

deuce26
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney Coolio

A true progressive is about social or political change that benefits all who are disadvantaged, not just those of a particular race.

gtagomoriMember since 2017
5 years ago

Good luck Ms Ng. There’s long been a massive conservative bias in the sports world when it comes to trusting minorities or women in leadership positions. This creates an inefficiency as talent is overlooked out of deference to tradition (consider the LaRusso hiring).

It’s not fair to Ms Ng, but a lot will be riding on her success or failure. I hope we MLB fans will be more objective than say how NASCAR fans responded to Danica Patrick. In Ms Patrick’s case she never really lived up to the hype of being the first full time driver on that circuit. But, she was hardly incapable as some commentators claimed.

Being female and getting hired really shouldn’t be “news” at all. That it is news says a lot about us as a nation. But things do seem to get better over the long run, so…..PROGRESS!

viceroyMember since 2020
5 years ago

Amazing article. Thank you for this

WARrior
5 years ago

Amara Walker, an Asian-American who works as an anchor at CNN, recently detailed that she was insulted in the way that Ng was in that meeting in 2003, three times in the space of two hours. She was in an airport making a flight connection, and two different guys came up to her, out of the blue. One of them uttered a racial slur, and the other, a little later, asked her if she spoke English. The second guy caused a little stir, refusing to go away, swearing at her, culminating in an airport officer coming to the scene, who actually defended the second guy.

Despite being born in the U.S., as American as anyone can be, and a veteran reporter, she said the incidents left her “shaking”.

JohnThackerMember since 2025
5 years ago

“The widespread confusion about something as basic as Ng’s name is an extension of a few all too common questions most Asian Americans are familiar with: What are you? Where are you from?”

Well, there’s also widespread confusion because Ng itself isn’t a Mandarin pronunciation, and I tend to be quite interested to know if someone with the Ng surname is a 伍 or a 吳, which means that they have Cantonese heritage, or if they’re a 黃 like my wife’s family, which means that they have Taiwanese or Hokkien heritage. (The first two are Wu in Mandarin, the latter is Huang.)

Looks like in her case it’s that her father is Cantonese. Her mother is apparently Thai-Chinese and has the surname Fong, which is another Cantonese pronunciation in her case, this time of 方 (Fang in Mandarin).

That’s because for some of us, “where are you from?” is no different of a question than asking about someone’s English, German, Irish, or Italian ancestry. Of course some people take it differently; tends understandably to be a lot more likely to offend a second generation person who feels that their Americanness is being questioned than a first generation immigrant who has simultaneous identification with the land of their birth.

The survey about self-reported experiences is interesting, because it demonstrates that being younger and having more education is much, much more correlated with reporting experiencing discrimination than anything else.

JohnThackerMember since 2025
5 years ago

“They reported that in the context of institutional discrimination, “a quarter or more of Asian Americans say they have been personally discriminated against because they are Asian when applying for jobs (27%) or when being paid equally or considered for promotions (25%).””

Yes, though it’s worth noting that the same study on personal impressions found that 19% and 13% of whites said the same thing, for jobs and promotions (https://www.npr.org/2017/10/24/559604836/majority-of-white-americans-think-theyre-discriminated-against) Too, the 61% of Asian Americans who said that discrimination existed today against their own group was largely identical to the 55% of white Americans, and very different to the much higher percentages of groups like American Indians, Africans Americans, and Latinos. (https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2017/10/23/Q1-Q2.pdf) Entirely different correlation with education, age, and income, though; with Asian-Americans the younger, more educated, or higher income, the more likely a person who say that they had been personally discriminated against; the reverse for whites. (Possible, of course, that at least some of the Asian-Americans were airing some of the same grievances as white Americans; not necessarily against directly anti-Asian attitudes, but against affirmative action helping members of other more disadvantaged groups but not them.)

What makes that a bit striking is that Asian-Americans who are mostly likely to report discrimination are not people who are immigrants themselves, and have markers like noticeable non-native English accents that might be the subject of overt discrimination. Rather, the people who feel most aggrieved are people who are American by birth when they feel that they are viewed as being something Other than that. (Something much less likely to affect immigrants, who tend to never quite lose their self identity of being a newcomer.)