Marlins Exchange Nathan Eovaldi for Depth
A move that wasn’t a Padres move happened Friday.
Yankees send to Marlins:
- Martin Prado
- David Phelps
- $6 million
Marlins send to Yankees:
German is a prospect. Eovaldi has three more years of team control, while Jones has one. Prado has two more years of team control, and Phelps has four, although he’s a Super-Two asset. The way it’s being phrased, the Yankees are chipping in $3 million in each of the next two years to partially pay down Prado’s salary. But if you’d like, you can mentally cancel out the $6 million and German. Now, German is actually an intriguing, live-armed prospect, so his value is probably a little north of $6 million, but they’re close enough to being even. This is mostly about the major-league players, and the one who grabs your attention is Eovaldi. That’s the guy with the big, big upside.
From their end, you can see what the Marlins are doing. They didn’t need Eovaldi, and Phelps is useful enough, and Prado can play all over the place. But from the other side, the Yankees might well be ecstatic. Theirs was a roster in need of help in the rotation. It’s not often you can land an arm like Eovaldi’s without paying through the nose. It was this very player who, a few years ago, got traded for Hanley Ramirez. Eovaldi’s not even 25 years old, and he can run it up to the triple digits.
Let’s go through the Marlins’ stuff first. Prado is being paid reasonably, through 2016. He’s in his 30s, but he’s not yet old, and he’s long profiled as an average or above-average player. He’s made enough contact to maintain more than acceptable offensive numbers, and if you know anything about Prado, you know that he’s versatile. Over his career, he’s played at least some hundreds of innings at first base, second base, third base, and left field. Last year he made token appearances in right field, and he’s also recently gotten a few opportunities at shortstop. Prado can do a little of everything, and it isn’t hard to see how he fits with the Marlins as they’ve been built.
What this seems to do is displace Casey McGehee, who the Marlins really seemed to like. Could be that McGehee is on his way out. But something the Marlins lacked is quality infield depth. Michael Morse has a history of getting hurt. Dee Gordon has only a brief history of not being bad. As fond as the Marlins are of Adeiny Hechavarria, his FanGraphs page could be more supportive. And McGehee just ran a .335 BABIP, with super low power. There are other depth pieces present, but none of them are close to as good as Prado, so he helps a thin infield at a time when the Marlins think they’re good enough to go for it.
Also, the outfield thing. The Marlins have an awesome starting outfield. It’s fun to debate their outfield versus the Pirates’ outfield. But the Marlins’ official 40-man roster lists just the three starters as outfielders. Jake Marisnick is gone. Enrique Hernandez is gone. Reed Johnson is gone. So Prado is depth on the dirt and the grass, and as young and athletic as the three starters are, Giancarlo Stanton’s been hurt before. Things happen. Prado’s good in an emergency.
Phelps won’t draw much attention here. Despite being a Super-Two, he should remain fairly cheap, and he’s got a good amount of experience both starting and relieving. He’s a righty who’s been successful against lefties, so the Marlins can have him do whatever they want. As a reliever over the last three years, Phelps has struck out a quarter of his opponents. As a starter, he’s posted a 103 FIP-, although it’s worth noting his starts have averaged five and a half innings. So Phelps doesn’t come close to Eovaldi’s upside, but he’s one of the Marlins who can try to buy time in the rotation until Jose Fernandez comes back. Phelps doubles as Dan Haren insurance, in case he up and retires. The Marlins probably needed to get an arm back if they were going to lose Eovaldi.
So, the other side. Let’s keep building to the Eovaldi climax. German is a good prospect, albeit a prospect who’s a ways away. He looks good in the Yankees’ system, just as he’d look good in any system. Jones? Jones is kind of a salary dump by the Marlins, but he can also help some in New York. For the first time, he’ll play in an environment friendly to left-handed hitters. Most of his power is to the pull side, and he owns a career 121 wRC+ against righties. In an emergency, he’s corner outfield depth. He can serve as Mark Teixeira insurance, and also as Alex Rodriguez insurance, since few people question Jones’ ability to hit righties, and more people question Rodriguez’s. Jones’ profile isn’t too hard to find, but the Yankees can use him. The Yankees, like the Marlins, are also trying to win in 2015.
But obviously, Eovaldi is the centerpiece. He throws harder than almost any other starter, and he just finished one out short of 200 innings. The Yankees already had rotation talent. But check out the question marks:
- CC Sabathia: coming off surgery
- Ivan Nova: coming off surgery
- Michael Pineda: not far removed from surgery
- Masahiro Tanaka: UCL injury last summer
All of those are talented starters. Few would be surprised if any of them wound up on the DL for a while, or ran an elevated ERA. It’s always important for everyone to have rotation depth, but the Yankees were almost desperate for it, and Chris Capuano wasn’t going to be enough. Chase Whitley wasn’t going to be enough, and they wanted to do better than Phelps. In Eovaldi, the Yankees have a power arm they could control for at least the next three seasons.
The question with Eovaldi is always, where are the strikeouts? The assumption being, when you throw 96, you should pile up the strikeouts. It’s not actually that easy, as Eovaldi demonstrates, and also, while Eovaldi still isn’t a strikeout machine, he did seem to make one improvement last year, as he trimmed his walk rate from 9% to 5%. Let’s now break that down further.
| Season | Opponent | BB% | K% | K-BB% |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2012 | vs R | 5.7% | 17.5% | 11.8% |
| 2013 | vs R | 5.6% | 19.2% | 13.6% |
| 2014 | vs R | 5.7% | 17.5% | 11.9% |
Against righties, Eovaldi’s stayed the same. I wouldn’t make much of the little 2013 blip.
| Season | Opponent | BB% | K% | K-BB% |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2012 | vs L | 10.3% | 13.1% | 2.9% |
| 2013 | vs L | 11.6% | 15.2% | 3.5% |
| 2014 | vs L | 3.5% | 16.1% | 12.6% |
There we go. There it is. Against lefties, Eovaldi maintained his strikeout rate, but he obliterated his previous walk rates. Now, lefties actually hit better against Eovaldi in 2014 than they did in 2013, by knocks and power. If that hadn’t happened, Eovaldi might not have even been available. But the Yankees are clearly willing to take the chance. In 2012 and 2013, against lefties, Eovaldi had an xFIP just below 5. Last season, against lefties, he had an xFIP just below 4.
There’s more. Of course there is! Last season, Eovaldi finished in the top 20% of starting pitchers in strike rate. That despite throwing so hard, and that despite getting limited help from Jarrod Saltalamacchia. According to Baseball Prospectus, Saltalamacchia cost Eovaldi 36 strikes, and about five runs, making it one of the worst framing batteries in the league. That’s not going to happen with Brian McCann.
And here’s another fun fact: over the last three years, Eovaldi has run the second-lowest HR/FB in baseball among starting pitchers with 300+ innings. Eovaldi’s thrown more than 400 innings, and the only pitcher with a slightly lower rate is Clayton Kershaw. It’s not all pure talent, but the evidence does suggest that Eovaldi might be able to limit fly-ball distance, perhaps because he can be difficult to catch up against. His career FIP- is 98. His career xFIP- is 110.
Even as what he was last year, Eovaldi is good enough. That is, if you assume he simply suffered some bad luck. He’s at least a league-average starter, and probably better than that. But the Yankees might see some tweaks to make. Eovaldi’s slider has improved. There were signs down the stretch last season he was getting a better feel for his curveball. But the Yankees might mess around with his heater. They told Brandon McCarthy to throw some more high fastballs. They were in the process of telling Shane Greene to throw some more high fastballs. Eovaldi has sufficient velocity that, if he could command a high fastball, that could be a real putaway weapon for him.
Last season, 135 pitchers threw at least 1,000 fastballs, according to Baseball Savant. Eovaldi threw 15% of his at three feet off the ground or higher, which was the 11th-lowest rate. The median was about 24%.
And, last season, 133 pitchers threw at least 250 fastballs in two-strike counts. Eovaldi threw 23% of his at three feet off the ground or higher, which was the 15th-lowest rate. The median was about 33%. We know that Eovaldi has made strides with his slider. If hitters are looking for breaking stuff down low when they’re behind in the count, then Eovaldi might be able to make himself more unhittable by climbing the ladder with gas. He’s already done it some, but perhaps he could do it more. Previously, he threw more high fastballs than he did in 2014, so in one way he’s trending away from this, but maybe that will reverse, as Eovaldi has developed greater mechanical consistency.
Eovaldi is an average or above-average starter now, with further upside. He belongs to the Yankees for three years, at least. He’s the most talented player in the trade, and while that alone can’t tell you which side did better, the Yankees are unquestionably pleased. Chase Headley re-signing made Prado less necessary, and there’s reason to believe that Robert Refsnyder is ready to contribute at second base. There’s also Jose Pirela, and there are also other players available, now and during the season. The Yankees turned something they didn’t need into something they did. In a way, the Marlins did the same thing, but I don’t think they needed Prado the way the Yankees needed Eovaldi.
For Marlins fans, it’s fun to see the front office active, and adding. For Yankees fans, it’s fun to see the roster get younger. Younger and even a little bit better. That’s the best of both worlds.
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.
Looks like the Marlins are shipping McGehee to San Francisco. So, they’re losing depth right after adding it, although Prado’s a more useful piece than McGehee is. Still a good and versatile player, although now it might be harder to get him to shift around when necessary.
Until they sign Kang and trade him for Kemp and international slot money that they flip for Jed Lowrie who they package with Kemp for Jimmy Rollins who retires upon announcement of the trade and is immediately promoted to Marlins GM, in his first move trading Stanton for a package of Grandal, Hanigan, Rivera, Norris, Ross, and a recently un-retired Todd Hundley.
that was a whirlwind
Brian Cashman is quietly having a very good off season.
As a Yankee fan this trade makes me ill. We took what was our biggest weakness — the most punchless lineup in baseball — and made it worse. Here’s our projected lineup with last year’s wOBA:
CF Ellsbury, .327
LF Gardner, .331
1B Teixeira, .316
3B Headley, .316
C McCann, .306
RF Beltran, .310
DH Jones, .316
SS Gregorious, .287
2B Somebody Who Will Hit .200/.230/.250
Other than Gardner and Ellsbury, that’s an entire lineup of number 8 hitters. It’s atrocious. And we gave up Prado — potentially our best hitter — for a replacement level DH and a pitcher who’s really no better than a sixth starter. Great job, Cashman.
Steamer projects 9 yankees regulars to notch wOBA’s over .310. Four are projected to hit over .330.
I am surprised a Yankee fan of all people would forget about Alex Rodriguez, though.
I will be SHOCKED if ARod gets 200 plate appearances next year. It wouldn’t surprise me if the Yankees just stick him in AAA ball for the rest of his contract like they did with Kei Igawa.
I like how you said that Prado is potentially the Yankees best hitter.
You have to remember that Yankee fans are probably the least sabermetrically inclined fans in baseball. They only see names and are stupid enough to think Martin Prado is a great player. Anyone with a brain can see this was a great trade for the Yankees. But Yankee fans only understand trading prospects for old stars.
Actually, what you have to remember is how truly awful the Yankees lineup was last year.
Last season, Brett Gardner led the team with a 110 wRC+. I don’t agree with Jim on this, but it’s really not out of the question for Prado to put up a better line than anyone on the Yankees next season.
It’s also hilarious that you’re calling a guy who listed the 2015 Yankees lineup by wOBA out for not being “sabermetrically inclined,” before claiming that the Yankees only ever engage in “trading prospects for old stars,” which they haven’t done in recent memory.
That would take having actual prospects…
Prado was potentially the Yankees’ best hitter.
I don’t think it would shock anybody if Prado hit his career averages this year, .290/.340/.430. It wouldn’t shock anybody if no Yankee hits ANY of those numbers (last year’s leaders: Gardner’s .422 slugging, Ellsbury’s .271 BA and .328 OBP).
Eovaldi put up 3 fWAR last season, and he’s got a ton of upside.
I wish it hadn’t cost us Prado, but Ref or Pirela should be able to give us a .300 or so wOBA, and we only had 3 legitimate MLB starters before this trade. Now we have four.
He also put up a 0.2 rWAR, there’s upside here but at the current time he’s a pitcher with an ERA- of 109. The article does sort of imply his floor right now is league average when I’m not so sure that’s exactly true, he’s just as likely to blow up in the AL East as he is to finally click and take the next step.
I am in no way convinced that Eovaldi is any better than Capuano. Yes, his fWAR was good, but his actual results were atrocious.
Over the last three years (rather than just last year), Eovaldi’s averaged 2.3 rWAR/200 IP, to go with his 2.6 fWAR/200, while Capuano’s averaged 1.3 rWAR/200 IP to go with his 2.1 fWAR/200.
There is literally no reason to think that Eovaldi won’t outperform Capuano, unless you have never heard of either player.
It’s not the 2014 season anymore and you don’t project next seasons performance based only on last seasons…
Ugh. It’s always a bummer when the Yankees steal talent, even though it doesn’t happen that often. AND MY OPINION THAT THIS WAS A STEAL WAS NOT ASSUAGED BY YOUR WRITING, JEFFREY.
Eh, look at Cashman’s trades over the years. Everyone focuses on the ugly contracts he hands out to declining FAs, but he always gets very good value on the trade market:
2008: Essentially Wilson Betemit for Nick Swisher. Steal.
2009: Coke/Jackson/Kennedy for Grandy. Fair trade.
2012: Montero for Pineda. Steal.
2013: Corey Black for Sori. Not great value, but not bad.
2014: Nuno for McCarth. Steal.
DePaula and Solarte for Headley. Steal
O’Brien for Prado: Steal.
He even got more value than the Braves from the Javier Vazquez deal. Melky, Dunn and Vizcaino combined for -1.2 WAR for the Braves, while Vazquez and Logan combined for 1.6 WAR for the Yankees.
I agree. It’s tough for the Yankees to trade because so many of their players are on huge contracts, they haven’t recently had valuable young players and they’re always in win-now mode. That’s their own doing of course, but it’s true. Yet Cashman has made numerous trades that always seem to work out. We’ll have to see if the latest spade of them fits that mold, but at first blush he’s addressing needs, moving non-vital pieces and acquiring upside.
Probably because Cashman is responsible for the trades, and ownership has alot to say about the free agent signings. Cashman takes alot of heat over the contracts but its the expectation from ownership, the NY media and fans to do so. if he didn’t, he wouldnt still have a job in NY. PROPERLY spending the kind of money the Yanks are expected to is actually quite hard. Its always going to look awful on the back end. Sometimes even sooner than that.
this is why I love FanGraphs. As a Yankee fan I was a bit disappointed at first with this deal because I liked Prado’s ability and didn’t like NE’s low strikeout rate. But you broke it down really well and now I’m on the upside thanks Jeff
I’m going to sound dumb b/c I’m not quoting any stats with this assessment, but I watched Nathan Eovaldi every 5th day since he came over from the Dodgers, and I feel there are certain things that need to be said about why I dont feel like 2014 was an unlucky year for him, despite the ERA estimators liking him. There is a reason why he was so hittable last year.
It should be good for him to work with Larry Rothschild. His problem is mechanical, but he has shown some improvement in that area at times. He has an issue repeating his delivery (though not as much as it was when he came over from the Dodgers), and has an issue getting on top of the ball, and creating a downplane towards the plate. This makes his pitches flat and hittable, regardless of how hard he throws. It also effects the sharpness of his secondary offerings, and is the reason he doesnt see more swing and miss, He throws more strikes than he used to, which should help, but he doesnt have much command in the zone b/c of his mechanical issues. He seemed to do some good work on that in the beginning of 2014, and he started to see more swing and miss and show the #2 potential he does still have. If he can get back to that, he is a big gain for the Yankees, as they have him for 3 years, but IMO, he should get one more shot at a rotation, and if it doesnt work in a couple of months, move him to the pen, where he threw 102 for the Dodgers
He’s been one of the most frustrating pitchers to watch. He’d often sail through the first few innings, only to fall apart in the fifth and sixth. I chalked it up to the lack of a change-up and ineffective pitching from the stretch. Despite that, the Yankees made a very good trade. Not many guys can throw that hard and maintain it deep into games, and he’ll only be 25 on opening day. They basically turned Peter O’Brien into Eovaldi.
it definitely is a nice move for the Yankees, and has the potential to be very frustrating for the Marlins. You are correct, that at times, Eovaldi would look good for a couple of innings, sometimes after he had already given it up, and sometimes when he hadnt yet. There were times where you would think that he finally fixed the mechanical issue, and then he would just lose it mid game. He just couldnt consistently repeat his delivery throughout a start. You could watch him pitch by pitch and tell that he was getting on the side of the ball, or underneath it. Those pitches are all flat and super hittable. When he got on top of the ball a little bit, he was able to get good results…You are right though. Part of it was his lack of useful secondary pitches, but I’m adding to that by saying that his secondary pitches were worse when he wasnt getting on top of the ball and creating a downplane towards the plate. When he did do that, he was able to get more swing and miss
I think Domingo German is going to be very good. I’ve seen him pitch a couple of ties. He reminds me a lot of Henderson Alvarez, and I think he may have a chance to be a little better. He was the one prospect that I didnt want to see the Marlins move, heading into the offseason. I think he is about to move very quickly through the system, and could help out of the bulpen in September, and be ready by early 2016. I think he ends up as a mid-rotation SP, at least
Indeed!
Even before trading Heaney and DeSclafani, German was one of the better pitching prospects with the Marlins, who were loaded with SP and RP talent.
Yep. Mike Podhorzer showed why Eovaldi’s fastball is a below average pitch despite having excellent velocity: http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/nathan-eovaldi-velocity-without-the-strikeouts/ Meanwhile Eno Sarris attempted to compare Eovaldi with a younger Garrett Richards but ended up proving that Eovalid’s pitches have a lot less movement than Richards’: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/one-way-to-get-excited-about-nathan-eovaldi/
Basically, Nathan throws hard but straight. Some of the guys on Fangraphs (and the stathead community at large for that matter) have an obsession with velocity because there is a correlation between it and success, but I’ve said many times that velocity is less important than movement or location.
I probably could have saved a lot of words by just saying it the way you did lol. Eovaldi throws hard, but straight. Pretty much sums up what I was talking about
Eovaldi’s fastball has a lot more movement than Richards’ does. Look at Brooks Baseball.
Without checking (too lazy) I’m going to guess its more horizontal movement than anything. He doesnt get on top of the ball, so I know its not much downward movement
Cool Lester Smooth, doesn’t a positive score in vertical movement mean less drop than is typical and therefore a “straighter” pitch?
Z, yeah. He has a lot more horizontal movement, and Richards has a lot more vertical movement.
jd, that would certainly explain things, haha. I don’t really know what the ideal ratio of horizontal and vertical movement is.
Straighter, but perceived as rising.
True Cliff, but Eovaldi throwing a very low percentage of those fastballs high in the strike zone means that most of them are meat. It’s possible that working more often in the upper strike zone will induce more missed swings, although it would presumably also make him more prone to allowing home runs.
Although a rising fastball targeted high in the strikezone would presumably be tougher to hit hard than a rising fastball targeted low in the strikezone, which is just a meatball.
Let’s see…the Yanks traded Greene and plugged a (defensive black) hole at SS with Gregorious. That left a hole in their 2015 rotation. So, the Yanks traded Prado to hopefully plug the hole in their rotation. That move left another hole in the middle of their IF. Hmmmm…if I have their pattern worked out, maybe they plan on trading a pitcher to plug the hole at 2b?
Personally, I like the move. Prado is a tough loss, but let’s not overstate his talent: he’s a good not great player. By wOBA, he’s about an 8% above league average hitter while UZR shows his best defensive position in the IF at 3b. He can play IF or OF and is amazing useful most anywhere. But would anybody swap Prado for Cano at 2b? Of course not. His value is his flexibility. The fact is, the Yanks may be able to replace most of his production at 2b with Refsnyder or Pirela or somebody else.
An MLB scout once told me “We can teach curve balls, sliders and change-ups, but we can’t teach raw velocity.” That’s where Eovaldi’s value lies. Dude throws mid 90’s on average. That’s crazy. He’s already a proven back of the rotation MLB starter. I’m sure the Yanks hope Rothschild can work some McCarthy type magic on him to help bolster his K rate and maybe to become a bit more ominous to lefties. Successful or not, the fact is they have something to work with. Eovalid a is higher ceiling Greene replacement and he fits that role very well.
The Yanks traded a not overly common known commodity in Prado whose potential is maximized for a very rare commodity in Eovalid who has much untapped potential. In the process, they added some MLB 1b depth and a decent minor league arm. Plus, the Yanks got younger and shaved a few $ off their salary commitments so Hal, Hank and Randy can stay off the streets.
Definitely a good move by the Yanks.
PS
Sid, I used wOBA and UZR and I’m a Yankees fan. Whoda thunk?
They’ll probably go with Refsnyder and Pirela, and hope they can get 1 WAR from one of them. Much better than doing the same with Mitchell, Phelps or Warren for the hole in the rotation.
Exactly. Cashman kept shuffling around the hole on his MLB roster around until it was a spot he could fill from their minor league system.
Losing Prado hurts, mostly because of all the injury concerns the Yankees are fielding this year; but by and large, Cashman’s done an admirable job of putting the roster together for 2015.
Yeah, Prado leaves a bigger hole in the OF than he does at 2B.