Mike Trout Is Probably Staying in Anaheim

Kim Klement Neitzel-USA TODAY Sports

After Anthony Rendon revealed that he had indeed suffered a fractured tibia and not a bone bruise, and after Shohei Ohtani cleared out his locker to undergo surgery to repair his torn ulnar collateral ligament, there really was only one more insult to add to the injuries that have defined the Angels’ 2023 season. On Sunday, the team transferred Mike Trout to the 60-day injured list due to continued setbacks in his recovery from wrist surgery, officially ending his season and opening the door to questions about his future with the franchise.

Trout fractured his left hamate while fouling off a pitch on July 3. He had surgery to remove the bone — a treatment that’s supposed to accelerate a return to play — two days later, and was expected to be sidelined for four to eight weeks. He returned on August 22, about seven weeks after surgery, but while going 1-for-4 with an infield single, he felt significant pain in his left hand when hitting and returned to the IL. Though he still hoped to play this season, he ran out of time.

“It’s frustrating,” a visibly emotional Trout told reporters in a media session on Sunday. “It’s been hard on me… It kills me not being out there. I’ve got a lot left in my career, and I can’t just sit around here and mope around. I’ve got to have that positive mindset.”

“Coming into this season, the biggest thing was trying to stay healthy. That was my goal,” he added. “I hired a lot of people [this past offseason] to work on my body. My body felt great. A freak thing happened and I broke my hand.”

The 32-year-old Trout wound up playing in only 82 games and hitting .263/.367/.490 with 18 homers, a 134 wRC+, and 3.0 WAR. That’s a great half-season for most players, but for Trout it was a significant step down, with career-low rate stats across the board. He never had a chance to reap the full benefit of emerging from the uncharacteristic slump that he had slipped into at the start of June:

Mike Trout June 1–July 3
Period PA HR BB% K% AVG OBP SLG wRC+ EV Brl% HH%
June 1–15 58 1 20.7% 27.6% .111 .293 .178 45 90.0 6.7% 56.7%
June 16–July 3 64 4 14.1% 34.4% .333 .438 .648 194 94.4 21.9% 59.4%

That’s a 5-for-45 showing with 12 walks in the first stretch, a lot of hard-hit balls but just two barrels. The second stretch is something much closer to peak Trout, a bittersweet reminder of a stellar season that might have been, not only for the slugger but for the Angels, who were 45-42 when he went down. They’re 26-45 since that point, one game better than the A’s (25-46) and three better than the White Sox (23-48) as the AL’s worst in that span — and most of that came while the team was actively trying for a playoff spot while employing the best player on the planet, Ohtani.

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Alas, this is now the second season-wrecking injury for Trout in the past three and the fourth full season in a row in which he fell short of playing in even 140 games. He was limited to 134 games in 2019, missing the final 19 of the season to undergo surgery to address a Morton’s neuroma in his right foot, though he still took home his third AL MVP award. After playing in 53 games out of 60 in the pandemic-shortened 2020 season (four of the missed games were due to paternity leave), he played in just 36 in ’21 due to a calf strain, and was limited to 119 last year due to T5 costovertebral dysfunction, a rare back condition causing “abnormal loading of the joint between the rib and the middle of the upper back (thoracic spine).” By season’s end he will have appeared in just 60% of the Angels’ 708 games since the start of 2019.

Trout has been elite in that span when available. His 167 wRC+ (.285/.402/.602) is second only to Aaron Judge’s 169, and he’s even 11th in WAR (21.1) over that same span; on a prorated basis, he’s averaged 7.8 WAR per 650 PA, superlative stuff. With three MVP awards and the fifth-highest JAWS among center fielders, he’s already a lock for the Hall of Fame, but his ongoing absences are costing him milestones, as well as shots at returning to the postseason for the first time since 2014. Not that he can do it singlehandedly for a team that has clinched its eighth sub-.500 season in a row.

Inevitably, on Sunday Trout was asked about his future with the Angels. He said he plans to meet with owner Arte Moreno and team president John Carpino after the season, “the same thing I’ve done the last 13 years,” but fully expects to be an Angel next season.

“I’ve got seven years left on the contract,” said Trout. “There’s a lot of speculation out there. And like I said, I come in every year, I sit back two to three weeks, enjoy the family, clear my mind and then have conversations with the front office every single offseason. Nothing’s changed.”

Trout is owed $248 million for those seven seasons, and the sad fact for the Angels is that trading him now wouldn’t be easy. Not only would they need Trout to waive his full no-trade clause, but even if they significantly paid down his remaining salary, it’s tough to see their return providing the facelift the franchise needs.

To get an idea of where Trout’s career is at, I asked Dan Szymborski to provide the ZiPS projection for the remainder of his deal. I could practically hear Dan’s brow furrowing as he typed his reply: “Between age and health, ZiPS is becoming increasingly grumpy.” Here’s a look:

Mike Trout ZiPS Projection
Year Age AVG OBP SLG PA H HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ DR WAR
2024 32 .259 .366 .518 498 110 28 79 65 141 2 142 0 3.9
2025 33 .252 .360 .496 479 103 25 72 62 137 2 135 -1 3.3
2026 34 .242 .352 .466 455 94 22 64 59 132 2 125 -1 2.7
2027 35 .237 .345 .445 433 88 19 57 55 129 1 117 -1 2.1
2028 36 .228 .337 .415 393 77 15 48 49 121 1 108 -1 1.5
2029 37 .222 .329 .394 351 67 12 39 43 113 1 100 -2 0.9
2030 38 .215 .321 .381 301 56 10 32 36 97 1 94 -2 0.6
2031 39 .206 .312 .353 252 45 7 26 30 83 0 85 -2 0.1
2032 40 .207 .309 .352 206 37 6 20 24 69 0 84 -2 0.0
2033 41 .204 .305 .327 130 23 3 12 15 44 0 76 -2 -0.1
Thru 2030 .281 .377 .541 9431 2219 499 1331 1333 2328 216 153 -13 100.2
Thru 2033 .277 .372 .529 10019 2324 515 1389 1402 2524 216 148 -19 100.2

The years through 2030 are the ones covered by his current contract, and you can see that it’s not all that pretty a picture, with Trout declining towards and then below average by the end, with significantly reduced playing time based on his penchant for injuries. As you can see from that “Thru 2030” row, he projects to land at 499 home runs, and as Dan noted recently in his piece on Freddie Freeman’s pursuit of 3,000 hits, ZiPS includes an algorithm that reduces playing time less as a player nears a significant milestone, so you can see that even as the projection has him slipping to replacement level in his late 30s, it projects him to pad his numbers a bit as he prolongs his career.

Aside from the homers and — more importantly — the 100 WAR, which would put him 22nd all-time, those don’t read as the kind of inner-circle Hall of Fame numbers that would put him in the same sentence as Willie Mays and Barry Bonds, the kind of company we were talking about at his peak. Trout wouldn’t even surpass Mickey Mantle for fourth place in JAWS among center fielders (110.2/64.7/87.5 for Mantle, 100.2/65.1/82.7 for Trout) though their proximity and similar counting stats (2,415 hits and 536 homers for the Mick) would amplify the long-existing comparisons between the Commerce Comet and the Millville Meteor, as well as the reminder that they had the talent but not the longevity to reach even bigger totals.

The ZiPS valuation of those seven years is just $127 million, about half of what Trout is being paid, so you would have to imagine Moreno writing a Steve Cohen-like check in order to get significant talent in return for a trade. Here I’m thinking of Justin Verlander, whose trade to the Astros at this year’s deadline included $35 million of guaranteed money towards next year’s $43.3 million salary plus another $17.5 million if his conditional player option for 2025 is reached and exercised, in exchange for two prospects (who were graded as a 50 FV and 45 FV, via Eric Longenhagen). Given the length of Trout’s remaining deal, a more apt parallel is the January 2021 Nolan Arenado trade between the Rockies and Cardinals, though the comparison only goes so far.

The Rockies dealt Arenado, who was coming off his age-29 season and was owed $199 million over six years, plus $51 million in exchange for a five-player package that Longenhagen described thusly: “They’re 40 FV prospects who I think can be big league role players, but none are potential stars, and there may not even be a regular among them.” Three seasons later, he’s yet to be proven wrong on that score. The return was headlined by Austin Gomber, a back-end starter, and of the other four players included, only corner infielder Elehuris Montero has played in the majors; he’s been replacement-level thus far. The book isn’t closed on the other three prospects, only one of whom has cleared A-ball, but none even cracked the Rockies Top 44 Prospects list in late June. Even before we account for the fact that Arenado was younger than Trout, had a more robust projection (it eyeballed at around $128 million for six years), and had a complicating opt-out in his contract after 2021, I don’t think you could call that a compelling return.

In further discussions with Dan, he provided an alternate ZiPS projection, one that assumes Trout receives more playing time by clearing out the injury flags he’s built into the system. Under that rosy scenario, his rest-of-career projection looks like this:

Mike Trout ZiPS Projection, Rose-Tinted Scenario
Year Age AVG OBP SLG PA H HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ DR WAR
2024 32 .269 .375 .536 642 147 37 103 84 183 3 149 0 5.7
2025 33 .260 .367 .508 642 142 34 97 84 184 3 140 -1 4.9
2026 34 .252 .359 .481 627 135 30 89 81 181 2 131 -1 4.1
2027 35 .245 .353 .463 581 122 26 77 74 172 2 124 -2 3.3
2028 36 .235 .342 .429 527 106 21 65 66 161 1 113 -2 2.2
2029 37 .226 .334 .400 468 91 16 53 58 149 1 103 -2 1.4
2030 38 .222 .328 .387 407 78 13 44 49 131 1 98 -3 0.9
2031 39 .216 .322 .372 343 64 10 36 41 112 1 92 -3 0.5
2032 40 .214 .317 .365 313 58 9 31 37 104 0 89 -3 0.3
2033 41 .209 .313 .348 216 39 6 21 25 73 0 84 -3 0.0
Thru 2030 .280 .375 .537 10415 2445 545 1468 1460 2619 219 151 -16 107.7
Thru 2033 .275 .369 .495 11287 2606 570 1556 1563 2908 220 139 -25 108.5

In this best-case scenario, the ZiPS valuation of Trout’s seven remaining years under contract is $206 million, still well short of the actual money but only about a 20% overpay, which isn’t uncommon for a superstar-level contract. For example, the estimate for Judge’s $360-million deal with the Yankees came to about $10.3 million per win, where this is more like $11 million. Still, given Trout’s recent injury history, the chances of him reaching this ceiling are remote, and it’s very difficult to imagine any team trading for him at a level that assumes such a projection is something closer to the 50th percentile outcome rather than the 90th.

If we do want to play pretend for a moment, this scenario pushes Trout to 17th in career WAR, between Mantle and Frank Robinson (107.3), though even with a JAWS of 86.8, he doesn’t pass the former in the center field rankings. Depending upon whether you pick the hang-around path or not, he comes in with a home run total that would put him 17th, between Mike Schmidt (548) and David Ortiz (541), or 13th, between Harmon Killebrew (573) and Rafael Palmeiro (569). Good company, but not befitting the peak that we were lucky enough to witness. Again, we’re talking about Trout’s ceiling, and I don’t think we need to retrace our steps to when he signed his 10-year, $360 million extension in March 2019 — at which point he was viewed as “leaving money on the table” by forgoing free agency — to know that’s a much lower ceiling than he had for his career achievements as of just a few years ago.

Long story short, unless Trout definitely wants out of Anaheim and forces the Angels’ hand in a highly uncharacteristic manner, I don’t see him getting dealt this winter, particularly because his value is at such a low ebb. Even if you can imagine the Angels and their trade partners finding a middle ground somewhere between the two ZiPS scenarios above, and Moreno pinning a very fat check to the slugger’s jersey, the yield in prospects or young players would probably make less difference to the Angels’ competitive fate than the freedom from some significant fraction of that $248 million. I don’t think it would make Ohtani’s return any more likely, and given the sagas of Rendon and Albert Pujols, I’d worry more about where Moreno spends the savings. So at this juncture, I expect Trout and the Angels will remain wedded to each other, for better or worse.





Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.

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BubbaMember since 2016
2 years ago

This is a bummer

Pepper Martin
2 years ago
Reply to  Bubba

We didn’t really need an answer to the question “what if Mickey Mantle’s body broke down earlier and more systemically?” but here we are.

darren
2 years ago
Reply to  Pepper Martin

“He’s going to be Mickey Mantle without the drinking problem!”

“That’s great!”

“Let me finish…”

TimBrownUMember since 2020
2 years ago

I don’t think we can hold modern players to the same WAR standards as past greats when it comes to inner circle HOFers or debates on all-time greats. MLB is just too talented now for anyone to regularly put up 10+ WAR seasons. Besides ARod and Bonds (who both have PED concerns), Cal Ripken is the only position player who has even cracked 90 fWAR for players who have debuted since 1980!

Last edited 2 years ago by TimBrownU
sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  TimBrownU

Yes, although I’ll just point out that when we’re discussing voting for the hall (rather than debating the all-time greats) this doesn’t really apply because of all the bad inductees to balance out the super elite ones.

TKDCMember since 2016🏆 MVP
2 years ago
Reply to  TimBrownU

Trout is easily the best post-Bonds/Arod player. He’s the best player of his era. That’s unlikely to change (I guess if Betts has an unbelievable 30s???) and to me if you are the best of your generation you are an inner circle hall of famer regardless. Hell, all Betts would do by having a great 30s is join Trout in the inner circle of hall of famers. He is there. Nothing is changing that.

But yes, this is still giving me a sad.

Poppyseed BagelsMember since 2021
2 years ago
Reply to  TimBrownU

Pujols was briefly over 90 fWAR as a 1B, just had some negative seasons pull him under. Personally, I don’t count negative seasons against his career.

It’s certainly possible for a player that can field and hit to break 100 fWAR.

TimBrownUMember since 2020
2 years ago

I actually think that Pujols just barely cracking 90 before falling back under shows how hard it is to break 100 fWAR. He was absolutely one of the best players ever for an entire decade and still didn’t even come particularly close

Pepper Martin
2 years ago
Reply to  TimBrownU

The thing about (most of) the truly greatest players of all time is that they mostly remained great players through their late 30’s. Take a look at every single one of the 20 position player who reached 100 fWAR. The only ones who didn’t maintain all-star production into their late 30’s are:

Jimmie Foxx (broke a toe in spring training in 1942 and then the entire game shifted its focus towards WWII)
Mel Ott (suffered a basically career-ending knee injury at age 37)
Mickey Mantle (body famously broke down)
ARod (steroids aren’t good for you)
Lou Gehrig (uh, Lou Gehrig’s Disease)
Rogers Hornsby (essentially retired to manage and pinch hit after age 35)

That’s 6 players out of 20 who didn’t continue to be all-world greats into their late 30’s. Everybody else maintained elite production into their age 37-38 seasons. It’s really hard to do that, but it’s absolutely possible.

CC AFCMember since 2016
2 years ago

I agree that it would be hard to impossible to get a trajectory-changing return for Trout, but I’m not sure they wouldn’t do it. Once they dropped out of the playoff race for good, Arte threw a hissy fit about paying players and had them waive any player who could save him a few bucks.

Ohtani seems as good as gone and the team’s future looks bleak as all hell. If Arte could save even $50-$100m or so on Trout’s contract, it would track with him bailing on this season once it was obvious they were done.

Last edited 2 years ago by CC AFC
Roger McDowell Hot Foot
2 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Yeah, there’s kind of a big “assuming rational management” asterisk on this whole line of reasoning. Especially if you think the best precedent is the Arenado trade, that doesn’t seem like a very solid premise.

CC AFCMember since 2016
2 years ago

I’m confused, are you saying that my thought would be rational but Arte would not act rationally?

He seems to be acting rationally for the most part even if I don’t agree with the decisions. It seems like pre-deadline, his idea was to make a final run while he still had shohei so he went and traded for win now stuff. Then, when it didn’t work, his priority shifted to saving money. His decisions seem rational given those objectives.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
2 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Sure. I guess by “rational management” I really meant that the team could be expected to employ a rational win-maximizing strategy, which seems to be the article’s perhaps unwarranted assumption, rather than shifting at times to other strategic priorities as you suggest.

fjtorres
2 years ago

Agreed.
Looking at the division and the Angels, they’re not going anywhere in 2024.

Trout might not demand a trade but he might tell them he won’t object if they find a deal that works. I’m thinking NYM or NYY most likely but the Dodgers and Cubs can find a use for even current Trout at 70-80% of his contract.

Plenty other teams could use him as-is. Even outside CF.

If Ohtani leaves, he goes too.

sbf21
2 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

Zero chance the Yankees would have for another expensive oft injured player in the wrong side of 30. Possible even a year ago but not now. And the chances of the Mets doing that are some infinitesimal fraction of 1%.

dangledangleMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  sbf21

I think the Yankees would trade Stanton plus prospects in a heartbeat for Trout. It’s similar to paying down the contract. At least Trout still produces when healthy.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

I upvoted this because it’s good logic, but my default assumption here is that he stays unless he specifically asks to get out.

In general, you have to assume that Moreno is going to choose to save money rather than not. But I think that as long as Trout is healthy Moreno will keep him under the assumption that Mike Trout will help to sell tickets. He’s always valued having big names on the roster to draw fans. It’s just that he cheaps out everywhere else.

I think where this changes is if Trout requests a trade. He has a no-trade in place so he’s not going anywhere without his consent. And in that case Moreno might decide it’s better not to have an unhappy guy on the roster. But who knows.

fjtorres
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Moreno was looking to sell.
He was talked into giving the team another shot and it all blew up.
The team as it stands is a perfect example of when it is actually reasonable to blow it up, like the ChiSox are doing.
Nobody would blame him for selling and letting the new guy deal with the 5 year project. And look above to see Trout 4-5 years out.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

I agree that Trout and a bunch of money is worth more in say SF or LA (NL) than in Anaheim. Maybe Boston or even Miami. Of course he basically gets to pick the destination

offthewall
2 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

“Bleak as hell”? C’mon. They will have some poor years, but they have money and they will benefit from good draft picks, and even if Trout isn’t the player we have known he is still a great player. The Angels will be an also-ran for a while, but no worse than what fans of Pirates, Mariners, Rockies, Marlins and other often-struggling team have been through.

CC AFCMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  offthewall

“Hey, it’s not worse than the Pirates or Rockies” is bleak as hell!

offthewall
2 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Deep breath…. Remember the Rangers/Senators have not won a World Series in their 63 year history. The Indians have not won a title in 75 years. The Brewers/Pilots and the Padres both have never won a title in their 55 years. Mariners haven’t won in the 46 years. Going through a few bad seasons isn’t what I’d call “hell”. They will be fine.

Angels management should have traded Ohtani at the deadline, they should not have given Trout that huge extension, and Rendon’s contract was clearly awful before the ink dried. But lots of teams do terribly dumb things. Not long ago Arizona seemed doomed – after that awful Swanson trade and the LaRussa disaster. And guess what – they are doing much better now. No team is more than a few years from contending.

Paul-SF
2 years ago
Reply to  offthewall

But those teams’ histories are not “bleak”? Like, I’m pretty sure the Angels would love to have a run like the 1990s Indians or the 2010s Rangers. The Brewers are division champions for the third time in six years. The Padres have been to the playoffs twice in the last four seasons. The Mariners are in the playoff hunt right now and made the playoffs last year.

I get what you’re saying on some level, and all of those teams have certainly had bleak chapters in their history too, but the Angels heading into a prolonged period of Pirates/Rockies-level suckage is much worse than the examples you cite. Those teams have had periods of sustained success (even if they were not successful at winning it all) that the Angels can only dream of having for the foreseeable future.

fjtorres
2 years ago
Reply to  Paul-SF

Pirates were good before Bonds left for chems land.
70’s and 80’s too. Every time they lucked into a great player or too they succeeded.
LAA? 2002. First and only.

PhilMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  offthewall

The D’backs got a new front office who were left to make sensible baseball decisions. Not sure that’s going to happen in Anaheim.

The “Rendon’s contract was clearly awful before the ink dried” seems revisionist – he was consistently great the before hitting FA – and his 2019 was in line with what he’d done before.

He was great in 2020, his first season with the Angels. And then, wow. But what were the red flags for Rendon that “he won’t play more than 60 games again” were so clear? (I know he wasn’t going to be compared with Cal Ripken Jr pre-2020, but still don’t think you could reasonably expect this outcome)

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
2 years ago
Reply to  offthewall

Going through a few bad seasons isn’t what I’d call “hell”.

It’s been more like almost a decade of bad seasons, dude.

offthewall
2 years ago

How hellish! Angels fans might not survive the horrors of not winning many baseball games. 😱

montrealMember since 2022
2 years ago
Reply to  offthewall

You are quite the optimist but you should be a realist. The Angels will be horrible the next number of years. Trout will not see another opening day as an Angel. And Arte the Moran will never understand baseball.

fjtorres
2 years ago
Reply to  offthewall

Those teams didn’t waste the primes of two generational talents. At the same time. And those teams aren’t looking at worse for three-four years.

They effectively won the (baseball) lottery twice and ended up with nothing to show for it. As for the draft picks, don’t forget the lottery.

As in:

“The first six choices will be determined by lottery rather than by the reverse order of the previous year’s standings. The teams with the three worst records from the previous season will have the best chance (16.5 percent each) to get the No. 1 overall pick via the lottery, which will include all 18 non-postseason clubs.”

Keeping Trout might keep them from bottoming and thus minimize their shot at great talents.

djtofu
2 years ago

Maybe his body just can’t deal with being in CF everyday. How does the projection look if he moves to DH with the rose-tinted offense?

CousinNicky
2 years ago
Reply to  djtofu

Even LF or RF would be less rigorous. There are very few successful 30+ year old CF’s in the past 40 years(Edmonds, Lofton). The crazy thing is his worst season at 134 wRC+ would be 13th among qualified hitters in MLB this year ahead of guys like julio Rodriguez and corbin carroll. He is still elite 6 fWAR for a full season at his 2023 rate would put him top 10 in MLB this year, he still has something left and its a shame its gonna be wasted on one of the worst teams in the next 3-4 seasons.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  CousinNicky

I feel pretty strongly he should be back in left field for these reasons. I asked why that hadn’t happened yet and someone in the comments section said that (1) the Angels did suggest moving him to left field and (2) Trout said no way.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  djtofu

DH seems the best idea similar to Buxton but he doesn’t seem like he’d agree very easily

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

But Buxton being a DH hasn’t worked out at all?

His offensive production (including the underlying stats) fell off a cliff, and he still got hurt.

balfondMember since 2018
2 years ago

Great article, Jay. I mean it’s really sad, but the article itself is awesome. I was wondering if you knew what Trout’s peak ZIPS career projection was? (i.e. if you only fed ZIPS trout’s career stats through year X it projects 150, but add year X+1 it drops to 120)

BubbaMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  balfond

I would love to see this

Zachhuston5
2 years ago
Reply to  balfond

Maybe I’m hallucinating, but I’m pretty sure there was an article at some point in the last 5 years showing his ROC projections. I vaguely remember it being in the 130+ range. The only article I could find was this, but it doesn’t show WAR projections. His peak ROC projection would definitely be after the 2019 season. https://blogs.fangraphs.com/mike-trouts-inevitable-decline/

CousinNicky
2 years ago
Reply to  Zachhuston5

they wrote an article back in 2015 where it was “plausible” for him to pass babe ruth all time WAR record.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/getting-mike-trout-to-168-4-war/

Antonio BananasMember since 2016
2 years ago

I lived in a city with a AA team for a while. You got to sit close. I thought I knew what “great” looked like because I had seen several top 100 prospects.

A teenage Mike Trout blew everyone out of the water. It was mind blowing. He’s been my favorite player ever since. This article makes me really sad.

My hope is he’s a good enough athlete that maybe he loses a few pounds so his legs dont take such a beating and he becomes more of a higher average gap hitter or something.

However his career ends up, it was always a treat to watch him play.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
2 years ago

My first in-person exposure to Trout was during his rookie year at a random Angels road game where I happened to be walking around the park during batting practice, and I literally felt compelled to stop what I was doing and watch. I can only describe the sound his contact was consistently making as “that sound effect from The Natural.”

tung_twista
2 years ago

The tragic part is that even if Trout were a fully healthy 10 WAR superstar he used to be, the Angels would still have not made the playoffs.

Hypothetical Angels record with 10 WAR Trout
2021 85-77 (92 wins required for Wild Card)
2022 77-85
2023 78-84

fjtorres
2 years ago
Reply to  tung_twista

Exactly.
Now throw in today’s Mariners, Rangers, and Astros.
And the Ohtani-hole and traded prospects.
Even the third WC is goingto be a reach.

Thank the stars for Oakland’s move/rebuild.

offthewall
2 years ago
Reply to  tung_twista

That is truly tragic. Horrifying!

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago

I am really surprised that Trout went so far out of his way to squash trade rumors. Maybe his first preference is for Ohtani to re-sign with the Angels and for them to try again together, but he will change his mind if Ohtani leaves? And that this is to convince Ohtani to re-sign?

In any case, if he is still sticking to his guns like this when Ohtani signs elsewhere (and he probably will) then maybe winning really isn’t all that important to him. But it sure seems like he’s going to be the best major league baseball player to never experience winning a playoff game.

fjtorres
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

He’s being polite and protecting the team and his image.

The old baseball saying applies: they lost with his best, they can lose without it.
“Free Trout” makes more sense by the day but today is not the time for it.
Dec/Jan is the time to watch, depending on when/where Ohtani goes.

Pepper Martin
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Currently the best major leaguer never to win a postseason game (limiting to players who debuted after the first World Series in 1903) is either Ernie Banks or Ron Santo, depending on which you prefer, so yeah he’d easily be the best MLB player never to win a playoff game. There is the arguable case of Nap Lajoie, who played on the first place 1902 Philadelphia A’s before the World Series existed, in his 7th MLB season.

OTMHeartBBCMember since 2019
2 years ago

trout will retire never winning a play off game lmao

sbf21
2 years ago
Reply to  OTMHeartBBC

And you will pass from this earth having never played a game of baseball in the major leagues.

The Ghost of Johnny Dickshot
2 years ago

Sad to say but I think Trout is cooked.

fjtorres
2 years ago

Angel yes, Trout no.
Look at the projections and forget the contract.
Even five years out he looks playable.

Not best in the game but still a useful major leaguer.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago

I think when he plays next year he’s probably somewhere in between the 5th and 10th best hitter in the league. That’s pretty good; if he’s cooked, he’s more rare than well done. But if he gets to 400 PAs I will be pleasantly surprised.

I’m trying to think of a team that wouldn’t want him (ignoring his contract, although his contract is so underwater it’s like on the ocean floor) and I can’t think of one. He could DH for almost any team in the league and the Yankees and Astros would play him in left field.

fjtorres
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

If you ignore the contract he’d be perfect for Cleveland (pitching and defense great, minimal offense, low budget, lots of prospects to offer) but they won’t ignore even a discounted contract. Cheapskates gotta cheap.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago

He’s steamed at your comment.

Mahoney
2 years ago

Unless Trout flat out forces a trade, I don’t see how the Angels get something back for him that even sounds reasonable to an average Angels fan.

Let’s say they talk with the Phillies. To get back any truly good prospect package, they’d probably have to pay almost all of Trout’s salary to make it worthwhile. If they want to only pay part of Trout’s salary, you might look to take on Castellanos and Taijuan Walker, but then you’ve taken away some possible 2024 value from a win-now team.

So you’d almost have to send Trout plus all his guaranteed salary, to a team that he would want to go to, in order to get back anything along the lines of a Johan Rojas/Mick Abel package (or maybe Rojas and a slew of low-minor lottery tickets). To a casual fan, that would probably feel exceptionally light for the best player they’ve ever had on their team.

And that’s assuming Arte Moreno would even dream of paying money to lose Trout. (He’d probably have to think long and hard about paying money to move Rendon!).

So Trout’s career story, sadly, may end up being more like Ernie Banks than Mickey Mantle.

fjtorres
2 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

Cohen.

CromulentMember since 2017
2 years ago

Alternate column idea: is Mike Trout the greatest ‘change of scenery’ candidate ever?

sbf21
2 years ago
Reply to  Cromulent

Saying someone would benefit from a change in scenery implies that their play would improve in a different team. I don’t believe that’s true.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2020
2 years ago

Trout’s injury history has always perplexed me. His injuries don’t appear to be chronic in nature – it seems like each year he has some part of his body flare up or has some kind of freak injury. It’s not like he has a balky knee that gets irritated every once in a while – his injury history is all over the place.

2017: Tore a thumb ligament diving into a base – okay, that happens.

2018: wrist inflammation

2019: Morton’s neuroma on his foot. Strange ailment for an athlete, but it happens.

2021; Back injury, kept him out most of the season.

2022: “T5 costovertebral dysfunction” which I remembered The Athletic saying was career-threatening. I found that disingenuous, that is not an official diagnosis, more of a positional one that a therapist would describe.

2023: broke his hamate swinging a bat. I’ve never heard of this happening and I found it quite strange.

None of these things seem related, it literally spans from his toes to his upper back. The poor guy just can’t keep a break and if I were trading for him, I wouldn’t expect more than 100 games played in a season. It’s sad.

fjtorres
2 years ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

But those 100 games!

offthewall
2 years ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

It is almost like his muscles have grown so big his body is breaking down from the stress. Almost like his Muscle development is unnatural in some way. I know it can’t be PEDs, since MLB eliminated all of them. No player would risk that. At least no star player would do PEDs anymore.

TKDCMember since 2016🏆 MVP
2 years ago
Reply to  offthewall

Good point, known PED users from years past were well known for how they’d decline quickly as they passed age 30. That’s exactly how I remember it. Wasn’t Barry Bonds just a husk of a former human being at age 33? Thanks for your super-fact-based comment!

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Jon L.Member since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

There are plenty of examples of players breaking down rapidly after an apparently steroid-induced peak. PEDs can greatly aid muscle-building (even if it’s via augmented durability and recovery, as per Michael below) and do seem to place a lot of strain on the body.

That said, I have no reason to believe this has anything to do with Mike Trout. It’s plausible that his incredible level of fitness and athleticism has come at a cost, just as it has for many dedicated young athletes in later life, but I don’t see that as cause for (offthewall‘s) paranoid speculation and bitter sarcasm.

Last edited 2 years ago by Jon L.
MichaelMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  offthewall

Steroids aid durability and speed recovery. Its always funny to me how people speculate about PEDs while knowing genuinely less than nothing about them

The Ghost of Johnny Dickshot
2 years ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

Staying healthy is a huge skill in MLB and it’s clear that, flukey or not, Trout does not have this skill.

TheGrandslamwichMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

Griffey Jr. also broke his hamate swinging.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2020
2 years ago

Oh wow did not know this. Griffey broke down with a series a weird ailments just like Trout. I hope Trout’s story has a better ending than his.

MikeSMember since 2020
2 years ago

He had a chance to pass Ruth and Bonds. Never a great chance since 160 WAR is a lot and it was always prefaced with “if he stays healthy” which has obviously been a problem. But the fact that you could say it without getting laughed out of the room was impressive enough. It is kind of sad that debate ended so soon. It would have been more fun if he could have kept his body going longer.

fjtorres
2 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

Hey, he’s not dead!

And if you look at the list of injuries there’s a couple of accidents and injuries that others have gone through without it destroying their careers. His *expected* number of games played by year may be reasonably be rated lower but stuff happens.

He might even put together a full season or two here and there.

offthewall
2 years ago

If it was 20 years ago, we would all assume Trout’s superhuman physique and “tools” were enhanced by banned substances. But thankfully MLB has eliminated all performance-enhancing chemicals from the game, so we all know Trout is as pure as the driven snow. I’m just glad it’s 2023 so we don’t need to worry about players using those old, outdated drugs and hormones anymore.

curt schillings ketchup bottle
2 years ago
Reply to  offthewall

Low effort troll is low effort

offthewall
2 years ago

🤪

hughduffy
2 years ago
Reply to  offthewall

Pretty much every known PED has detection windows that stretch into the months now, so you’re going to get pinched by random drug testing if you’re using anything known. If you’re using anything new, if the drug’s metabolites are the same or similar to existing PEDs, you’re going to get caught as well.

The only way you can cheat successfully in MLB nowadays with PEDs is maybe micro-dosing testosterone. And there, you have to be lucky enough not to be in the 10% of random tests that are selected for the tests that can identify if you’re doing that.

v2miccaMember since 2016
2 years ago

I know it is unlikely, given what we know about Mike Trout, but I hope a bug crawls up his ass this winter and he demands that the Angels move him to a team that actually have a cogent plan on how to make it to the playoffs in 2024. I would love to see Trout penciled in as the Phillies left fielder to start the season (And I say this as a Braves fan)

offthewall
2 years ago
Reply to  v2micca

Trout would reject a trade to Philly. The Phillies make the playoffs, and Trout mostly just wants to play golf all the time. So Trout will want to stay with Anaheim.

curt schillings ketchup bottle
2 years ago

Wow, that first ZIPS projection looks BLEAK. Like nearly worst case scenario, barring a career ending major injury.

I have to believe that’s overly pessimistic. He had a significant rough patch this season, but it’s hard to see his skills deteriorating that much, that quickly.

Johnnie TMember since 2024
2 years ago

I have always thought that Zips fails the smell test. I mean really, would any of you bet that Trout will never hit 30 HR again in a season? I do not know exactly what goes into ZIPs, but I tend to view it as a conservative low-end estimate.

offthewall
2 years ago

Have you ever looked at side-by-side photos of Trout as a rookie and in 2023? He looked athletic as a rookie. He looks like a linebacker now. He must lift a lot of weights. 🤣

airforce21oneMember since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  offthewall

Look at a picture of yourself as a 19 year old compared to now

offthewall
2 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

I don’t have any. I grew up in Lithuania, and we barely had food let alone Polaroids. Not everyone is lucky enough to have your privileged,
Pampered life.

hughduffy
2 years ago
Reply to  offthewall

Look at photos of Randy Arozarena when he was with the Cardinals or (better yet) the Memphis Red Birds back in 2019. He’s skinny, lithe, looks like a shorter Triston McKenzie.

During COVID in 2020, Arozarena taught himself to cook, improving his usual diet with a healthy version of chicken and rice, and stuck to a regular exercise routine, including 300 pushups a day, putting on about 15 pounds of muscle.

If you look at Randy’s arms in the 2020 postseason, you can just see the difference. The dude wasn’t even lifting weights, and he looks built.

Mike Trout said to Men’s Journal in 2019:

“I do a lot of full body workouts personally,” Trout says. “I like to do squats, dead lifts, bench press and the hardcore lifting during the offseason. And then during the season, I work to maintain it – lighter weight but more reps. I try to be explosive in all my workouts. For me, I’ve been keeping the same routine that I’ve had over the last few years. In the offseason, you want to get bigger, stronger and faster. And during the season, you obviously just want to maintain it.”

Mike Trout lifts, as do all strong major league players. There’s tons of social media snippets about his workouts, and he works out like a linebacker. Seriously, a lot of the workouts he does are workouts professional American football players do.

Even if you take PEDs, you have to put in the work, otherwise you don’t get results.

offthewall
2 years ago
Reply to  hughduffy

Suuuuure. Trout hero worship. You all love to believe your heroes are pure until they disappoint you. McGuire, Canseco, Caminiti, Palmeiro, Juan Gonz, ARod, Nomahhh, Tatis, Bonds… they all fooled you. When a player performs insane feats of athletic skill, you want to believe he or she is heroic. How many times do you need them to disappoint you.
You people still believe Griffey, Jr was pure. He miraculously returned from a broken wrist to hit 49 HRs, then 56 HRs in consecutive years, while winning gold gloves in CF. He came up as a thin kid, then jumps from 27 HRs to 45 HRs in his mid-20s, while bulking up to 230 lbs. Face it, Griffey cheated. But he gets the benefit of the doubt despite fitting every cliche of a PED user in the middle of the steroid era. Suuuuuure…. He was clean. 🤣
Trout checks all the boxes except the dirty test. No doubt MLB does not want to find out golden boy Mike Trout is cheating. But whatever you want to believe. Trout just happens to fit the career model of a PED player, but we like him, so it’s unthinkable to even suggest such a thing.

hughduffy
2 years ago
Reply to  offthewall

You can’t even get your facts right.
1. Ken Griffey Jr. is 6’3″ – at that height, it’s not difficult at all to bulk up to 230 lbs. Mike Trout is listed at 6’2″, 235 lbs.
2. Ken Griffey Jr. went from hitting 27 HR when he was 22 to hitting 45 when he was 23. That’s early 20s, not mid-20s, and having a power jump at that age is entirely ordinary.

Did Griffey ever do PEDs? He says he never did them. Griffey has said, ““My dad was always saying, ‘Hey, you’re not going to be the biggest. You’re not going to be the strongest. You’re not going to be the fastest. Just don’t let nobody outwork you.’”

You have a very warped and incorrect idea of the career model of player who took PEDs. The career trajectories of Ken Griffey Jr. and Mike Trout follow the trajectories of the majority of elite MLB players: early success that plateaus, followed by declines, often due to health issues in the thirties. Their career paths are utterly unremarkable.

Overall, the main ways that PEDs help you with are getting stronger and recovering faster from injury. If Griffey or Trout used PEDs, they’ve done it wrong.

Do I care if they did? Not really.

I just care that you’re wrong.

offthewall
2 years ago
Reply to  hughduffy

Do you really think you can convince me I’m wrong? You must be new to the internet. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

hughduffy
2 years ago
Reply to  offthewall

Well, I am a Hall of Fame player from 1888, after all. This Internet thingy is new.

As for convincing you? Pshaw. Just making sure that some truth is next to your ignorance.

TheGrandslamwichMember since 2020
2 years ago

I find it fascinating that a team with a large budget, the prime years of Trout, and then Ohtani on a rookie contract can have so little success. They can blame the injuries and everything, but that takes a special kind of organization.

catmanwayne
2 years ago

They can’t develop good players, they manage to break pitchers on the regular, and one of their clubhouse staffers had a hand in helping a guy kill himself with pain meds. There’s also Arte Moreno shooting down his baseball ops people constantly, and signing guys like Pujols, Rendon, Upton, etc., to albatross contracts every couple of years because he wants to. They haven’t had consistent management or coaching since Scioscia (not that he was all great as a manager by the time he left). There’s no direction, and it falls on Moreno because he’s a major control freak who won’t let the baseball people he hired to do the baseball jobs actually do the baseball jobs.

offthewall
2 years ago

Trout has elite wealth that he hordes to himself. Trout does not need hundreds of millions of dollars. If he cares about teachers, he would fund a school and pay teachers what they are worth. He could pay cost of living for hundreds of homeless “migrants”. But suuuure… tears for poor Mike Trout having ouchies so he can’t play as much sports all as he wants. Screw the rich!

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
2 years ago
Reply to  offthewall

Did Mike Trout run over your dog or something? I can tell from all the scattershot lazy troll comments that you’re very angry, but I haven’t the foggiest idea why.

offthewall
2 years ago

I never owned a dog. When you need to scrape by on a teacher’s salary, having extra money for vet bills is hard.
Trout has elite wealth and I believe the government should redistribute wealth like his to the people whose work allows the rich to amass fortunes like his. It is sinful to horde massive wealth while so many millions barely survive. Have you missed the fact we have a “migrant” crisis and millions of people can’t feed their kids? Perhaps maybe stop worrying about whether a 1%er like Trout can play baseball 162 times a year.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
2 years ago
Reply to  offthewall

“Hoard.” The word is “hoard.”

offthewall
2 years ago

I have no idea what you are talking about.

tdouglas
2 years ago

The Arenado comp is interesting, because I was thinking that Trout is a St. Louis-type of target. They like to target players with wrinkles that lower the acquisition cost — Goldschmidt only had a year left, Arenado was already mentioned, and Stanton had a huge contract that Miami was trying to dump on someone. They’ve only gone for a pure blockbuster trade once in recent history, and it completely ruined their present and future and slammed their playoff window shut years early (Ozuna trade).

STL likes to build around one or two star position players, and Goldschmidt is going into his final season. Trout could be his replacement. In terms of cost, STL could either trade the near-ready MLB talent they got at the trade deadline to the Angels to lower the dollars, or they could eat the contract and trade their talent for pitching, depending in which direction they want to go.

I don’t think Trout will get traded. I’m just saying it would be a STL-type move.

Angelsjunky
2 years ago

I am forever surprised at how some treat ZiPs as if it is gospel. How often is it accurate at predicting ROC while a player is still in his early 30s? And with extraordinary players like Trout, who tend to bust algorithms?

Sure, he could be cooked, with a never-ending series of injuries to come gradually eroding his skill-set. Maybe what we’ve seen in 2021-23–averaging less than 80 games and 3.4 WAR a year–is the new norm. But let me play devil’s advocate for a moment. First of all, as others have noted, some of his injuries look to be freak accidents. I do think his big-muscled body lends to him being injury prone–we’ve certainly seen that before–but I also have a hard time imagining that he’ll continue to average 79 games a season.

Furthermore, while the 134 wRC+ this year is concerning, as the article notes he seemed to be turning things around when he broke his hamate and was back to his usual self (not to mention his solid start for the first five weeks or so…so we’re really talking about a six-week mega-slump). And let’s not forget that he’s just a year removed from a 176 wRC+ season. In other words, there’s no reason to think that he can’t return to–at least-the 150-160 wRC+ level for a few years.

ZiPs, on the other hand, assumes that his overall line in 2023 is the new norm for Trout, with a bit of a plateau for a few years and then steep decline from age 34 on. Even the so-called “rosy-tinted” projection sees him bouncing back but only to the 140ish level. I just don’t get it. How can ZiPs think a guy with a career 170 wRC+ and 176 wRC+ in 2022, will never hit better than 142 for the rest of his career, when said player is still only 32 — regardless of what he did in 2023?

Now I don’t think Trout will ever have another 9 WAR season, and probably not an 8 WAR season. But I wouldn’t totally discount the possibility. His defense isn’t getting any better and he doesn’t steal bases. But I don’t see why he can’t bounce to a 150-170 wRC+ level for a few years, and even a few 120-140 game seasons at that level will yield 6-7 WAR a year, and get him to 100 WAR just in the next three or four seasons. I can then see him trickle out another 3-4 WAR for a few years and see a more likely career total somewhere above the “rosy” version of ZiPs.

And a bit more…Consider that Trout is one of only nine position players with seven 8 WAR seasons; of the other eight, all of them had at least one 7 WAR season in their 30s, and 7 of the 8 had at least two (only Eddie Collins had a single such season). If we broaden it to five 8 WAR seasons, we have 17 position players, and only one of them didn’t have a 7 WAR season in their 30s. Now it is worrying that the lone player is the quite similar Mantle, whose body broke down in his 30s, but that was largely due to two factors that don’t figure with Trout: a chronic leg injury that Mantle suffered as a teenager and his lifestyle.

If we broaden our “comp search” even further to lesser players and others that don’t fit his CF profile, we find other worrying comps like Pujols, Griffey, and Jones – among many others with better 30+ careers. I think in some ways Trout is on a path similar to Griffey’s, which doesn’t bode well. But it isn’t inevitable, nor need his decline be so steep as Griffey’s — or as ZiPs predicts.

Again, none of this is to say that Trout will return to peak form, or even have a career renaissance that sets him back on track for 130ish career WAR. But given his historical comps in terms of career greatness and accomplishment in his 20s, and the fact that we’re just a year removed from a 176 wRC+, I wouldn’t write off the possibility that his ROC is significantly better than at least the first ZiPs, and quite possibly the second. Meaning, I could see him bounce back and having a couple 7 WAR seasons, a couple more in the 5-7 range, and a few below that, adding another 25-40 WAR or so to bring him into the 110-125 range.

Last edited 2 years ago by Angelsjunky
offthewall
2 years ago

A player with conspicuous power, posting HOF numbers for several seasons before succumbing to a rash of injuries while still in his prime… where have we heard that story before? Let’s see if Trout can manage what Barry Bonds and Mark McGuire managed – to miraculously return to health, even stronger than before, and post more ridiculous numbers.

Schide
2 years ago
Reply to  offthewall

Get a fucking life, asshole.

offthewall
2 years ago
Reply to  Schide

I love knowing I made you angry. 😘

tdouglas
2 years ago
Reply to  offthewall

How many comments are you going to make insinuating the guy takes steroids? I guess I get the appeal of trolling — you get a rise out of those who don’t know you’re trolling — but aren’t there better places to do it? It’s not like the Fangraphs comment section is a town square filled with activity.

offthewall
2 years ago
Reply to  tdouglas

I haven’t decided yet. Probably at least a couple more. People still get pissy about it, so it clearly touches a nerve.

What surprises me is how many times you all can get fooled by these players, and still keep believing the ones who haven’t been caught must be pure as the driven snow. Suuuuuure, Trout can be built like a linebacker, and still play CF, and SLG .620, and suuuure all those other people who cheated were bad but not our boy Trout! Nope, not Trout! Trout is a boy-scout. We love him and there is no way he would cheat and lie to us. He isn’t like Tatis, or McGuire, or Palmeiro, or Bonds, or Nomahhh, or Tejada, or ARod, or Papi, or Clemens, or Petitte, or Griffey Jr, or any of those other guys. Trout wouldn’t lie to us all.

Keep believing in these guys, and keep getting disappointed.

diamonddores
2 years ago

there’s already overwhelming evidence that Trout values playing golf in Scottsdale and attending Eagles home games more than he wants to play postseason games. This offseason will 100% confirm this.

Hopefully the hamate doesn’t mess with his golf swing too much.

offthewall
2 years ago
Reply to  diamonddores

He somehow manages to play golf while he is on the Disabled List. Perhaps it is part of his “rehab.” 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

hughduffy
2 years ago
Reply to  offthewall

It’s Injured List now, troll!

offthewall
2 years ago
Reply to  hughduffy

I have no idea what you’re talking about.

hughduffy
2 years ago
Reply to  offthewall

MLB changed it from Disabled List to Injured List in 2019.
Don’t you know anything about baseball?

offthewall
2 years ago
Reply to  hughduffy

You just made that up.

offthewall
2 years ago

Trout doesn’t care about making the playoffs…. He gets to play more golf when his team gets eliminated. He plays golf while he is on the Disabled List. He plays golf as soon as the regular season ends. Why would Trout want to go someplace they would expect him to play baseball instead of golf?