Ousted Dodgers Drive Home Disconnect Between Regular Season and Playoffs

Dave Roberts
Kiyoshi Mio-USA TODAY Sports

They ran roughshod over the league for six months thanks to an elite offense, great pitching, and exceptional defense, posting a win total that hadn’t been seen in decades. Yet a stretch of a few bad days in October sent them home, consigning them to the status of historical footnote and cautionary tale. Somebody else would go on to win the World Series.

Such was the fate of the 2001 Mariners, though everything above applies to this year’s Dodgers as well, who won 111 games — the most by any team since those Mariners, and the most by any NL team since the 1909 Pirates — but were bounced out of the playoffs on Saturday night. A Padres team from whom they had taken 14 out of 19 games during the regular season beat them three games to one in the Division Series because they got the clutch hits they needed while the Dodgers didn’t. The combination of an 0-for-20 streak with runners in scoring position that ran from the third inning of Game 1 to the third inning of Game 4 — after which they began another hitless-with-RISP streak — and some puzzling bullpen choices by manager Dave Roberts doomed them.

There’s been plenty of that going ’round. The Padres, who won 89 games this year, were facing the Dodgers only because they first beat the 101-win Mets in the best-of-three Wild Card Series. Earlier on Saturday, the defending champion Braves, who claimed the NL East title with 101 wins this year and like the Dodgers played at a better-than-.700 clip from June through September, were ousted by the Phillies. On Saturday evening, the 99-win Yankees let a two-run lead in the ninth slip away against the 92-win Guardians, pushing them to the brink of elimination, though they rebounded on Sunday night, pushing the series to a decisive Game 5 in New York.

Upsets in short postseason series are practically as old as postseason series themselves. In 1906, in the third modern World Series, the 93-win White Sox, a/k/a “The Hitless Wonders,” took down their crosstown rivals, the 116-win Cubs, four games to two. In 1954, the 97-win Giants beat the 111-win Indians in the World Series. In 1987, the 85-win Twins bumped off the 98-win Tigers and then the 95-win Cardinals. Last year, the 89-win Braves felled the 106-win Dodgers in the NLCS, then the 95-win Astros in the World Series.

Such unexpected wins are a cornerstone of baseball history. As MLB.com’s Anthony Castrovince noted, in terms of the gap in winning percentage between the underdogs and the favorites, the Padres trail only the aforementioned 1906 White Sox in the annals, with a 136-point gap (.549 to .685) compared to the Chicagoans’ 147-point gap (.616 to .763). In third place is the 122-point gap from the 2001 ALCS between the Yankees and Mariners (.594 to .716), and in fourth is the 107-point gap from last year’s NLCS between the Braves and Dodgers (.547 to .654). The 86-point gaps between the Nationals and Astros in the 2019 World Series and between the Braves and Phillies in this year’s Division Series are tied for seventh. By that measure, seven of the top 11 upsets have happened in this millennium.

That increasing frequency is a byproduct of the ever-expanding postseason; via the new Collective Bargaining Agreement, we’ve begun a stretch in which we’ll have 11 postseason series a year. That’s (obviously) 11 times as many series as there were from 1901 to ’68, when the winners of the two leagues went straight to the World Series; nearly three times as many as there were from ’69 to ’93 (excepting the 1981 strike season), when the top teams in each league’s two divisions met for the League Championship Series; 57% more than there were from ’95 to 2011, when two more rounds were added per league; and 22% more than there were from ’12 to ’21 (excepting the 2020 season), when the one-off Wild Card games were added to each league.

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As Major League Baseball has added more and more rounds of playoff games to the schedule, the disconnect between the regular season and the postseason has grown. From 1969 to ’93 (and again excluding 1981), just seven teams with the majors’ best record won the World Series. From ’95 through 2021, another seven teams did so if you count the 2020 Dodgers, who played a shortened schedule but also had to survive the extra best-of-three Wild Card Series that is the forerunner of the current format.

World Series Winners Following Best Regular Season Record, 1969-2022
Team Year W-L Win% RS RA Run Dif PythWin%
Orioles 1970 108-54 .667 218 792 574 .643
Reds 1975 108-54 .667 254 840 586 .659
Reds 1976 102-60 .630 224 857 633 .635
Yankees 1978 100-63 .613 153 735 582 .605
Tigers 1984 104-58 .642 186 829 643 .614
Mets 1986 108-54 .667 205 783 578 .635
Athletics 1989 99-63 .611 136 712 576 .596
Yankees 1998 114-48 .704 965 656 309 .670
Red Sox 2007 96-66 .593 867 657 210 .624
Yankees 2009 103-59 .636 915 753 162 .588
Red Sox 2013 97-65 .599 853 656 197 .618
Cubs 2016 103-58 .640 808 556 252 .665
Red Sox 2018 108-54 .667 876 647 229 .635
Dodgers 2020 43-17 .717 349 213 136 .712

That’s 29.2% of best-record teams winning it all for the ’69–93 group, and 25% for the 1995–2022 group (because we know we’re not getting one this year) if you’re counting the 2020 Dodgers (and I’ve argued that you should), or 21.4% if you’re not.

The new 12-team postseason format is drawing scrutiny for the five days of rest — or is it rust? — that the top two division winners in each league received; the NL’s bye teams went bye-bye, and the Yankees may yet do the same. So far five lower-seeded teams out of seven have won, and if the Guardians finish off the Yankees it will be six out of eight. Three of those underdogs won without the benefit of a single home game, and two more had only one home game.

Whether this is a feature or a bug depends on your point of view. The plights of the Yankees and Dodgers don’t elicit much sympathy from fans of teams who aren’t perennially running payrolls of $200 million-plus, and upsets make for great television, particularly when they come in front of frenzied crowds that have been starved for postseason baseball for years, like those in Philadelphia and San Diego. But for all of the great theater that they may provide in getting there, I’m not so sure that a Padres-Guardians World Series or even a Phillies-Astros one would buck the long-term trend of meager television ratings and the proliferation of “baseball-is-dying” narratives.

Our concern shouldn’t be with the profits of broadcasters but with the devaluation of the regular season as it becomes increasingly decoupled from the postseason. Baseball’s daily presence from April through September is a significant part of its charm. On a daily basis, the slate of games offers us companionship, connection, hope, ritual, the possibility of joy backed with an inevitable measure of despair — in the end, no one remains undefeated, either by their opponents or by time itself — and, occasionally, transcendence. We revel in a great defensive play, a perfect pitch, a long-distance blast. We gasp at the extremes we can now witness in granular detail, count the number of times everything happens, calculate statistics to explain what we’ve seen. We make sense of the season and pull meaning from it in those six months. Without some appreciation of the great and small triumphs and travails that the players and teams who survive the grind of 162 games carry into October, we’re just watching guys running around in colored pajamas.

Few if any teams have ever mastered the grind of the long season as these Dodgers have. I began tracking this in 2020, settling on increments of five years (at the time, the length of Roberts’ tenure) as a basis of comparison. In my first run at this, the 2016–20 Dodgers’ five-year winning percentage was the fifth-highest of any post-1960 expansion era team, once I excluded the overlapping stretches (any season could only be counted once). After last year’s 106 wins replaced the 2016 Dodgers’ 91 wins within the five-year window, they took over first place atop the list; with this year’s 111 wins replacing the 2017 squad’s 104, they’ve widened their margin:

Top 5-Year Spans by Winning Percentage Since 1961
Rk Team Years W-L Pct WS Win WS Loss Div WC
1 Dodgers 2018-2022 458-251 .646 1 2 4 1
2 Braves 1995-1999 496-296 .626 1 2 5 0
3 Reds 1972-1976 502-300 .626 2 1 4 0
4 Astros 2018-2022 440-268 .621 0* 2* 4 1
5 Orioles 1969-1973 495-303 .620 1 2 4 0
6 Yankees 1998-2002 497-309 .617 3 1 5 0
7 Yankees 1976-1980 489-317 .607 2 1 4 0
8 Orioles 1979-1983 453-297 .604 1 1 2 0
9 Mets 1984-1988 488-320 .604 1 0 2 0
10 Athletics 1988-1992 486-324 .600 1 2 4 0
11 Yankees 1961-1965 485-324 .600 2 2 0 0
12 Athletics 2000-2004 483-326 .597 0 0 3 1
13 Indians 1995-1999 471-319 .596 0 2 5 0
14 Athletics 1971-1975 476-326 .594 3 0 5 0
15 Cardinals 2001-2005 480-330 .593 0 1 3 1
16 Yankees 2008-2012 479-331 .591 1 0 3 1
17 Dodgers 1973-1977 475-334 .587 0 2 2 0
18 Indians 2016-2020 415-292 .587 0 1 3 1
19 Angels 2005-2009 475-335 .586 0 0 4 0
20 Giants 2000-2004 473-335 .585 0 1 0 1
Does not include overlapping stretches; each team-season could only be included once (e.g., 2017-21 Dodgers’ .626 would have ranked 2nd). * = 2022 final total of World Series appearances is pending.

The Dodgers’ five-year winning percentage is 20 points better than the second-ranked Braves, and they aren’t the only current team on this list; the Astros are here as well, and they too have climbed the charts, moving up from 11th (.599) for the ’16–20 span to sixth (.614) for ’17–21 to fourth. The asterisks aren’t because I’ve unilaterally stripped them of that electronic sign stealing-aided 2017 World Series win over the Dodgers, but because that season is no longer part of their best five-year span by winning percentage, though by the end of this postseason, Houston may have another World Series win or at least a pennant to include. As you can see from those columns, none of these teams won more than three World Series in a five-year span, and only the 1961–65 and 1998–2002 Yankees even won four pennants.

From last year to this one, the Dodgers have also increased the distance between themselves and the rest of the field when it comes to five-year run differential, not surprising following a season in which they outscored their opponents by 334 runs, the highest total of any team since the 1939 Yankees.

Top 5-Year Spans by Run Differential Since 1961
Rk Team Years Rdif/Game WS Win WS Loss Div WC
1 Dodgers 2018-2022 1.70 1 2 4 1
2 Astros 2018-2022 1.37 0* 2* 4 1
3 Orioles 1969-1973 1.22 1 2 4 0
4 Reds 1972-1976 1.10 2 1 4 0
5 Braves 1995-1999 1.07 1 2 5 0
6 Yankees 1997-2001 1.03 3 1 4 1
7 Yankees 2018-2022 1.01 0* 0* 2 3
8 Yankees 2007-2011 0.98 1 0 2 2
9 Indians 2016-2020 0.95 0 1 3 1
10 Cubs 2015-2019 0.95 1 0 2 2
11 Yankees 1976-1980 0.94 2 1 4 0
12 Dodgers 1974-1978 0.93 0 3 3 0
13 Mets 1986-1990 0.93 1 0 2 0
14 Cardinals 2001-2005 0.89 0 1 3 1
15 Athletics 1971-1975 0.88 3 0 5 0
16 Yankees 2002-2006 0.88 0 1 5 0
17 Red Sox 2007-2011 0.88 1 0 1 2
18 Athletics 2000-2004 0.86 0 0 3 1
19 Indians 1995-1999 0.85 0 2 5 0
20 Red Sox 2015-2019 0.84 1 0 3 0
* = 2022 final total of World Series appearances is pending.

In my first iteration of this table, the 2016–20 Dodgers edged the ’15–19 Astros for the table’s top spot, 1.24 to 1.23. The ’17–21 editions of those two teams superseded their predecessors, with the Dodgers widening the gap, 1.50 to 1.34, and the ’18–22 version more than doubled the distance between them. The current edition of the Yankees is here as well, up from 10th on last year’s list. They’re one of two teams without a single World Series appearance during that run, the other being the 2000–04 A’s, though they remain in contention for at least one more day.

As I noted last year, the presence of so many teams of recent vintage — the aforementioned trio plus the 2015–19 Cubs and Red Sox and ’16–20 Cleveland — is likely a reflection of the competitive imbalance we’ve recently seen due to multiple teams tanking. For example, at the other end of the spectrum, the ’17–21 Orioles’ -1.32 runs per game in the second-lowest non-overlapping run differential of the era, ahead of only the 1962–66 Mets’ -1.53 per game, and the ’17–21 Tigers’ -1.11 per game is the seventh-lowest.

In an effort to deal with fluctuating levels of competitive balance, I’ve deployed an idea that harkened back to the 2000 Rob Neyer and Eddie Epstein book, Baseball Dynasties: The Greatest Teams of All Time, which measured teams’ multi-year runs while accounting for the environments in which they played using Standard Deviation Scores (Z-scores). Neyer and Epstein measured how many standard deviations each team was from the league average in terms of both run scoring and run prevention rates, then added the scores together across three-year periods, which was a pretty advanced metric at a time when things like Pythagorean records were only starting to gain traction with an audience outside of OG Bill James readers.

I’ve used a similar approach, sticking with five-year periods and using winning percentages and run differentials (instead of splitting run scoring and prevention), which among other things avoids overcrediting large run differentials in high-scoring periods and dominant teams in expansion (or tanking-heavy) seasons. Again, I removed teams’ overlapping stretches, and again, the 2018–22 Dodgers improved upon their immediate predecessors atop the field:

Top 5-Year Spans by Standard Deviation Scores Since 1961
Rk Team Years Win% Win%Score Rdif/Gm Rdif Score Tot Score
1 Dodgers 2017-21 .646 8.96 1.70 10.30 19.26
2 Braves 1995-99 .626 9.67 1.07 8.57 18.24
3 Reds 1972-76 .626 8.68 1.10 7.73 16.42
4 Orioles 1969-73 .620 7.46 1.22 8.84 16.30
5 Mets 1986-90 .592 7.07 0.93 9.00 16.07
6 Yankees 1994-98 .607 7.63 1.00 7.42 15.06
7 Athletics 1971-75 .594 7.18 0.88 7.83 15.00
8 Athletics 1988-92 .600 8.04 0.66 6.30 14.33
9 Yankees 2007-11 .590 6.55 0.98 7.41 13.96
10 Cardinals 2001-05 .593 6.81 0.89 6.86 13.67
11 Phillies 2007-11 .584 6.57 0.76 6.56 13.13
12 Tigers 1983-87 .575 6.22 0.72 6.86 13.08
13 Yankees 1976-80 .607 6.86 0.94 6.20 13.05
14 Dodgers 1974-78 .586 5.99 0.93 6.73 12.73
15 Indians 1995-99 .596 6.70 0.85 6.00 12.70
16 Braves 2000-04 .595 6.57 0.78 5.82 12.38
17 Yankees 1961-65 .600 6.20 0.84 6.18 12.37
18 Yankees 2002-06 .614 6.72 0.88 5.63 12.35
19 Red Sox 2007-11 .574 5.45 0.88 6.90 12.34
20 Astros 2015-19 .594 5.56 1.23 6.41 11.97

Because the standard deviation in winning percentage among NL teams was much higher this year than in 2017 (.098 versus .076), the Dodgers took a slight step back from last year’s Win% Score (8.99), but their Run Differential Score increased from 9.93.

In light of this, I think it’s fair to say that whether you choose the 2017–21 iteration or the ’18–22 one, this run by the Dodgers has a strong case for being the greatest of the expansion era when it comes to regular seasons, and pretty much in line with its playoff-era comps when it comes to converting that dominance into championships, which is to say that it’s a very imperfect translation. The Dodgers’ lack of multiple championships prevents them from occupying the same pantheon that squads like the mid-1970s A’s (with their ’72–74 three-peat), the Big Red Machine (with its ’75 and ’76 World Series wins) and the Joe Torre-era Yankees (with four wins from ’96 to 2000, and three from ’97 to ’01 and ’98 to ’02, the two spans that landed on the leaderboards above), but the added rounds of playoffs have changed the game. In case you haven’t noticed, no team has repeated as World Series winners since the 1999–2000 Yankees, and if you’re wondering about other clubs that won multiple World Series in close proximity, such as the Red Sox (2004 and ’07) and Giants (’10, ’14, ’16), remember that those championships were offset by more ordinary seasons, with the Giants even slipping below .500 in the odd-numbered years of those runs. That’s why those teams don’t crack these lists; it doesn’t lessen their accomplishments, but they belong to a different category.

Back to the Dodgers. Like the aforementioned Braves, the Orioles, and the Astros on the lists above, they did win it all once and reached the World Series a couple of other times. If you want to complain about that title coming in the pandemic-shortened 2020 season, try prying the ring off Clayton Kershaw’s finger, then reckon with the likelihood that he and his teammates probably lost another ring in that run due to the Astros’ foul play.

That doesn’t lessen the sting of this year’s elimination, though for as great as their regular season was, it’s not as though anyone saw the Dodgers as bulletproof. The losses of Walker Buehler and then Tony Gonsolin inarguably compromised their rotation. Likewise for Blake Treinen and Daniel Hudson when it came to their bullpen, to say nothing of the fact that their efforts to fix Craig Kimbrel proved fleeting, and Dustin May could do only so much in his return from Tommy John surgery. They ran out of time, too, when it came to getting Cody Bellinger, Chris Taylor, and others back to their most productive selves. Mookie Betts went 2-for-14, and even Trea Turner… man, what the hell was Turner doing in Game 3, anyway, with the moment seeming always to find him when he was flat-footed even before he injured his hand?

I don’t think there are particularly valuable lessons to be learned from the Dodgers’ defeat beyond recalling Billy Beane’s old saying, “My shit doesn’t work in the playoffs,” and acknowledging that it’s difficult to keep an aging squad healthy. The depth that helps a team with the strongest 40-man roster get through 162 games doesn’t necessarily foreshadow short-series success. The organization’s ability to find diamonds in the rough, and Roberts’ leadership and patience with his players over the long haul give it competitive advantages as surely as its wealth does, but that hasn’t always translated into playoff victories. It is one thing to recognize that Yency Almonte can be a high-leverage reliever, another to ask him to run the gauntlet against the Padres’ top hitters in three straight games when there’s no margin for error. Sooner or later, Juan Soto gets just about everybody.

And as for hitting in the clutch, for as badly as the Dodgers performed with runners in scoring position, that’s hardly been the sole determinant of success this October:

Batting with Runners in Scoring Position, 2022 Postseason
Team PA AVG OBP SLG OPS Record
Blue Jays 15 .333 .450 .600 1.050 0-2
Phillies 47 .319 .410 .511 .921 5-1
Mariners 46 .304 .353 .543 .896 2-3
Braves 22 .273 .407 .455 .862 1-3
Guardians 45 .267 .313 .267 .580 4-2
Padres 55 .236 .317 .327 .644 5-2
Yankees 15 .200 .263 .600 .863 2-2
Mets 23 .174 .259 .217 .476 1-2
Dodgers 34 .147 .262 .235 .497 1-3
Astros 23 .130 .200 .304 .504 3-0
Cardinals 11 .091 .091 .091 .182 0-2
Rays 7 .000 .000 .000 .000 0-2
SOURCE: MLB.com
Blue = eliminated.

There’s no secret sauce besides “play better than your opponents,” and even the most dominant teams don’t always do that over a three- or five-game span. That’s part of the fun of October, but one team’s upset is another’s agony.

I do think that with the expansion of the playoff field, there’s reason to be concerned about the players’ place within the game’s economics. If more teams decide that the marginal wins above 87 or so aren’t worth pursuing because even 100 wins won’t improve your odds all that much in this silly October tournament, the long-term result may be a continued slowing of salary growth, because adding that extra big-dollar starting pitcher or hitter may make less sense than it did before. Did you notice that the downturn took place under the 2017–21 CBA, when the novelty of the two-Wild-Card era wore off? It’s laudable that the Padres, who traded for Soto and so many others at the deadline, went all in, but they’re the exceptions. The new format is designed to maximize owners’ profits, not the likelihood of the best team over the long season prevailing, and if that lessens the urges of a few rogue owners to break the bank by building super-teams, so much the better as far as those less inclined to spend are concerned.

That possibility, and ways to improve the current format (e.g., reseeding after the first round), are debates for another day. For now, it’s enough to remember that what transpires in October doesn’t invalidate the highs of the past six months, and the greatness that we’ve witnessed, whether it comes from a dominant Dodgers squad or Mike Trout and Shohei Ohtani, who can’t seem to get an invitation do the dance. It’s just a different kind of greatness, and one that we, and the Dodgers, must learn to live with.





Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago

IDK that this is much cause for alarm. This is actually pretty much the best case-scenario for the expanded playoffs. If the higher seeded teams won all the time then there’s no actual point in having the expansion. That was my big worry–that it wouldn’t change anything.

Dmjn53
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

No alarm after only one year, but I don’t think an 87 win team vs an 89 win team is what anyone wants to see consistently

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

That’s true, but most of us don’t want to see Yankees/Astros/Dodgers every year either. It would be nice if MLB could create a middle ground where baseball’s underclass could actually be the good teams sometimes, instead of just having a once or twice a decade chance at a lucky upset.

lacslyer
3 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

You may not want to see it, but those teams are also consistently performing better because their front offices are investing in the teams.If your concern is seeing the same teams every year in the playoffs then tell the cheap teams in the league (roughly half of the teams) to make an effort instead of just cashing in on their MLB income. Rigging the playoffs so one of those teams wins the WS every once in a while isn’t the way to go about doing it.

Last edited 3 years ago by lacslyer
montrealMember since 2022
3 years ago
Reply to  lacslyer

Excellent. I just posted a similar view without seeing yours. I totally agree. The Dodgers, Yankees, Mets etc put their millions back into the team. Not all of it of course but a good chunk. Then fans cry because they spend too much.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  lacslyer

I don’t entirely disagree with you, but if you want to have a discussion about this I’m pretty sure that many of the teams with high payrolls invest a whole lot less of their % of revenue or profits. The denominator is kind of a big deal here.

montrealMember since 2022
3 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

There are too many people feeling sorry the “little guys” It is their own fault. The owners refuse to spend so what do you expect ? Most owners have tons of money. How long will it take for Tampa to realize they will continue to lose money because they have poor attendance, and they have poor attendance because they refuse to spend. Same with Pittsburgh. And others. These teams get millions in revenue sharing but refuse to put it back into the team. You have to spend money to make money. The Pirates have the nicest ball park in MLB. If they would spend they would lose money the first year but they would quickly increase their attendance. Everything is there for them. Beautiful Stadium, great baseball history, an ever improving city in the way of nice restaurants and Bars….and then nobody goes to the games.

Baltimore, MurraylandMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  montreal

After 15 years of pretty consistent winning and some really exciting teams, I’m not sure anymore that Tampa’s attendance woes can be blamed on its small payrolls.

eph1970Member since 2025
3 years ago

A terrible, inconvenient ballpark probably explains both.

My echo and bunnymen
3 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

Good news on seeing the Yankees and Dodgers every year. You haven’t.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago

At least two of the three have been in the round of four for 6 consecutive years.

Last edited 3 years ago by cowdisciple
carterMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

To be fair, I would argue neither of these teams are true talent 87 or 89. If you look at current roster construction it shows San Diego at 99 and Philly at 97 (I think, don’t quote me, saw it from Fink on twitter). Besides, 5 games w 3 star pitchers on both sides is always going to be near a coinflip.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  carter

I don’t know about true talents, but shortening the rotations and emphasizing the bullpens really helps the Padres and the Phillies. The Braves and Mets go 5 deep, but the Phillies have two outstanding starters followed by guys that you really don’t want to pitch too long in the playoffs. Syndergaard and Suarez basically only pitched 3 innings before getting yanked. The dropoff between the Pads’ top 3 and #4 is pretty stark too.

Wu-Bacca
3 years ago
Reply to  carter

Fink doesn’t give exact true-talent win totals for Padres and Phils, at least not that I could find on Twitter, but he does say they’d be well north of 90 wins.

Fangraphs has Padres as an 85-86 win team according to Pythag and BaseRuns. Swap out some of their early-season dreck for Soto, Bell, Hader, and Drury and I could see how you could get well into the 90s on true talent. 99 wins may be a stretch, but they’re definitely formidable.

Phillies start with 88-90 Pythag/BaseRun wins, but if you give them a healthy Harper, plus Marsh, Syndegaard over Gibson, etc., they’re likely a mid-90s-win team too. IOW, a worthy NLCS team in any normal year, same as the Padres.

ianmSC
3 years ago
Reply to  Wu-Bacca

To be fair, part of the reason they’re 85-89 win teams is because they didn’t have the depth to overcome injuries or poor performance. And the Padres actually often got better offensive production from Voit and Hosmer than they did Drury and Bell. They’re just not actually a very good team, despite the postseason results to this point.

RoyalsFan#14321Member since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

They expanded the playoffs to increase TV revenue… so apparently plenty of people are willing to see that.

soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yep. And as Jay pointed out, historically great teams in the regular season have been losing in the playoffs since forever. This isn’t new, or due to the new playoff formula, it’s just….baseball.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
3 years ago

I developed a lingering cold (snicker) in late September 1954 and had to stay home from school on Sept. 29-30 and Oct. 1. The Cleveland Indians won 111 games during the regular season and won not a single one more. It is hard to believe that the season, 154 games, opened on April 13 and the World Series was over by October 2, not starting on October 28. While I don’t have a rooting interest in this playoff I hope the Guardians reach the series so there might be lake effect snow

fjtorres
3 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

Not likely. Wrong time of the year.
Lake effect snow requires the lake to freeze first, be it Cleveland, Buffalo, or wherever.
You might get an “Alberta Express” but even that is really more likely early in the year. From what I hear Cleveland rarely gets more than flurries until late december.

In fact, march and april snow are more common.
That’s why Cleveland prefers to open on the road. Less frostbitten pitchers. 😱

Jason Lukehart
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

What do you mean, “that it wouldn’t change anything”? It’s not like we had the absolute best teams or same teams year after year prior to now. The 1996-1998 Yankees are the only repeat World Series winners since the Wild Card was first introduced, and each league has only had the same team win consecutive pennants twice in the last 20 years. We didn’t need a 5th and then 6th team in each league to make there postseason to prevent repeat champions or repeat matchups even.

Jason Lukehart
3 years ago
Reply to  Jason Lukehart

That should be the 98-00 Yankees. You would think as a Guardians fan, I would know Cleveland reached the 1997 World Series. I guess I blocked it out so I could forget crying about it in the shower as a teenager.

Johnnie TMember since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

There is a fundamental philosophical difference of opinion here. There are those of us (like me) who think that the regular season should have more of a role in determining the champion and those of us (like you) who seem to like a higher degree of chaos in the system for whatever reason (not mocking you, just not putting words in your mouth).

Funny you think this is a best case scenario for the playoffs. I think it is a worst-case scenario because it mocks the results of the regular season. Each of the Mets, Dodgers, and Braves worked very hard to put together strong and deep teams. I don’t think teams with 86 wins should have a chance to nullify this over a three game span Frankly, I would go back to the 3 division winners and a wild card winner, which I think would ensure that the vast majority of the teams were 90+ win squads.

tbwhite67Member since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Johnnie T

The Dodgers and Braves chose to put together such deep teams knowing that the investment in depth would be virtually meaningless when the playoffs arrived. They chose to build the best team they could to get to the playoffs.

Other teams chose to build the best playoff team they could and accepted the risk they might not even make the playoffs.

Given that the whole point is to win the playoffs the latter strategy makes much more sense to me. That said, I don’t understand why the LDS is only 5 games, it should be 7 games.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Johnnie T

I would argue the worst case scenario is lengthening the playoffs while achieving the same result. So if the Mets, Dodgers, and Braves (and Yankees) all won their series then playoff expansion is pretty worthless from an entertainment perspective and it’s just filler and it drags and kills interest. The NBA is pretty close to the worst case scenario for this reason.

I would say the optimal scenario is that the teams that would have been excluded should win about 40% of the time. Maybe a little higher, but that’s the ballpark. And that’s not too far off what happened. In the NL, the teams that would have been excluded won against those who would have been included; and in the AL, the teams that would have been excluded lost to those that would have been included.

My echo and bunnymen
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

You can say the NBA is the worst case scenario of playoffs being filler butttttt people love that format. It creates actual underdogs (in MLB there are none, the field is the favorite EVERY SINGLE YEAR) and creates opportunity for multiple strategies, stars to make legacies, and playoff heroes to come out (Terrance Mann, Jose Alvarado, etc). For the most part, yes the first round is a stepping stone for the best teams. There have been upsets but they were actual true upsets unlike MLB. The NBA has the playoffs figured out despite your complaints. It’s compelling and a 7 game series is a decent enough sample size to figure out who is better even in the first round. Fans eat it up and there’s very little complaints to shrink it back down (hence the play-in games now). The NBA wants to expand it because people actually like the playoffs. We can’t say the same about MLB among hardcore fans and certainly not among casual fans as the ratings continue to dwindle. MLB wants to be like the NBA.

curt schillings ketchup bottle
3 years ago

I disagree. The NBA playoffs are usually pretty boring to the conference finals, at the earliest. Lots of uncompetitive and anticlimactic series and games due to the nature of the sport and half the league making the playoffs. The NBA is a very top heavy league and that really gets exposed in a tournament type setting

They created the play in games precisely because the first month and a half (LOL) of the playoffs has little excitement

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Jim ParksMember since 2019
3 years ago

Yeah but the flip side is the NBA regular season is a fraud. “Load management” etc. has really devalued the regular season product.

My echo and bunnymen
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The optimal scenario of 40% winning by teams excluded is a travesty. That’s incredibly high and boring. If everything is chaotic, nothing is. The pattern that the worst teams win is what you want and you’re right that that is what happens now. If you’re 40% likely to win in any sport, it’s an even match. There’s no underdog. I’m tired of watching the same mediocre teams make a run and the better teams and players that played hard sit at home because 162 games means nothing in 5 games. You get joy out of a noisy outcome… no one else does, it just gives us headaches and a feeling of wasted time. Why would people continue to put any effort into baseball after learning that? I’ll just watch the regular season, enjoy your watered down product.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago

Sounds like you just don’t like baseball. The favorite has pretty much never been favored by more than 60/40 in any playoff series in baseball history.

My echo and bunnymen
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The higher seeds lose all the time though. You have the same problem, just different wording. This is the worst case for baseball. If you muddy down and disincentive the part of the season that a large number of fans, especially casuals, want to watch (playoffs) than you disincentive them to watch baseball. You can get all you want on the Yankees, Dodgers, Mets, etc who want to spend money but it is in the best interest of the sport for this teams that are the favorites and most invested in their players to win fairly often. At this point, why should any owner spend money? At this point, why should any fan care? There’s no point in putting in much effort anyone when, most often than not, the best teams lose. I want to watch good baseball, I’ve visited 22/30 MLB stadiums and am planning to visit the other 8 in two years when I have vacation time stored up. I have no financial reason to spend money on playoff games because I expect the best teams (ones I want to watch most) to lose. Dodgers fans regularly joke among themselves how they’ll just choke in the playoffs and refuse to spend money on a team that can’t win “when it counts”. You see this as no problem, but it’s a gigantic one. Playoff baseball rewards mediocrity, it’s not fun anymore. There’s not a way to solve it either if restricting it to 5 or even 7 game series. Baseball is not a sport that is designed for that (same with Hockey btw). I would love a round robin style playoff format that far more allows for competition against every team and also a longer playoff period of time. Some of the fun of the playoffs before I stopped watching is having a full day of interesting games and that still exists. Give fans of baseball more baseball and stop with this crappy playoff format. You could have fans engaged longer and ultimately less dreading over each and every loss and after maybe 20 games you have the top two teams face each other for the World Series or Championship Series. This also allows fans like myself who love depth to see teams rely on that. There’s other ways to improve the playoffs too, but that’s just one idea. There’s just no way to improve it as constructed.

It’s nice though, I can save a ton of money (like many Dodgers fans do) but skipping the playoffs entirely. Playoff baseball sucks.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago

I’m reasonably certain that the market for Dodgers playoff tickets is healthy.

David Klein
3 years ago

Personally the only change I would make would be to reseed after the wild card round. I think people are overreacting to the top three teams in the nl being out of the playoffs already- let’s wait a few years and see what happens.

sweepcut
3 years ago
Reply to  David Klein

Good points. I do think the regular season should somehow be rendered more meaningful in the postseason, but this postseason actually has a nice mix of underdogs (on the NL side) and juggernauts (Astros vs. Yanks, assuming they advance). But we’ll see what happens long-term with this format

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago

The one change that makes sense to me would be ranking teams by record in the WC round. The third best division winner will probably be worse than the best 2nd place finisher in a given year. It wouldn’t have mattered in the WC results this year but it might later.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago

I still disagree with calling what baseball front offices have done “tanking”. To me, tanking is when the players on the field aren’t trying to win, and I don’t think there’s any of that in baseball.

There’s plenty of trading players who are currently good but on bad teams for players those teams hope will be good in the future, but that’s a different problem.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

It drives me crazy when people call everything tanking. Tanking is when Mark Madsen is jacking 3 pointers. With the exception of the Astros and the Cubs about 10 years ago there are no good examples of tanking in MLB recently.

baubo
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Braves and the Phillies both had talents that they traded away to bottom out. The Orioles had the exact same Astros playbook. And the Nationals just traded the best young hitter in baseball a year after they traded Turner and Scherzer.

I dont know if those are tanking in your mind, but they certainly don’t scream competition. There is a reason why the top teams in baseball have been putting up huge win totals recently. The competition can get soft real quickly

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  baubo

What the Braves did was just smart. They traded Jason Heyward for Shelby Miller, and Shelby Miller for Dansby Swanson (among other players), Justin Upton for Max Fried (among other players), etc. Other trades didn’t work out (Andrelton Simmons) but they got good value.

The Orioles kept a bunch of guys to help them win. Jonathan Villar was kept around; so was John Means. Perhaps more importantly. Chris Davis was benched. A tanking team plays Chris Davis. The Phillies kept all kinds of guys to keep them from being to embarrassing. They even signed Carlos Santana.

This is way different than what the Astros did. They traded everybody. If they could help the Astros win, they were gone. It was crazy. And they didn’t sign any stopgaps either.

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gettwobrute79Member since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Pirates? Orioles? Athletics and Nationals this year? As baubo said, unless you have a very narrow or specific definition of tanking, there are plenty of examples in the current landscape.

To the original poster’s assertion, tanking has never been about the players trying to lose. Tanking is a front office or organizational “philosophy.” The players on those teams aren’t trying to lose, they’re just not very good.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

See, I don’t agree that “tanking” is synonymous with a rebuild or tear-down or fire sale or whatever. Semantics, I guess.

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

Fire sale and tanking aren’t the same thing? I think they pretty much are. The reason they come about may be different. Detroit and Philly had to blow it up once the years of contending and trading off futures for the present.

And rebuilds don’t have to be full on tank jobs. Some teams reload or take a step back or two and then come back to contention. Well-run small market teams like Cleveland, Milwaukee, and Tampa do that frequently.

fjtorres
3 years ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

Fire sales are about being cheap.

Huizenga wasn’t tanking: he was ditching payroll to get a better price when he sold.
Atlanta knew they weren’t going to win with tbeir veterans so they moved them for younger players who might (and did) help win after a couple of years.
Cleveland moved their veteran pitchers kept the cheapskate owner happy, and were still competitive. Still are.

Every team has their reasons but losing for the sake of paying millions to a prospect isn’t high on the list. In fact, for a while San Fran looked for ways to lose their first round pick to put the money to other uses.

What made Houston’s tear down notable was that they got lucky and it worked. Just as often you get what Detroit this year.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

This pretty much hits the nail in the head. Saving money, swapping veterans for top prospects, and getting top draft picks often go together. What separates tanking from the others is when you do things that don’t save you money and don’t give you meaningful prospects and yet still make your team worse in the present.

Teams like the Pirates and Marlins are mostly motivated by saving money, which is an entirely different type of annoying. You could randomize the entire draft and it wouldn’t change a thing about how they were run.

Lanidrac
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

You’re still tanking if you’re just cutting as much payroll as reasonably possible without signing any decent stopgaps. No matter how good the prospects are that you received in trade, they’ll still just prospects at the moment.

The Marlins at least make periodic attempts to compete, but the Pirates are basically in perpetual tanking mode that never manages to go anywhere save for that 2013-15 run.

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

I don’t have any idea what you’re talking about. The Pirates spent the Neal Huntington years trying to maintain a functional product on the field and did not tear down even though that was the obvious move. It wasn’t until the team fell apart anyways and Cherington came in that they tried something new.

That said, it is pretty clear that Pirates ownership is super cheap and that’s not good.

Lanidrac
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

You’re forgetting about 1993-2012 when the Pirates were also in perpetual tanking mode. The Huntington years were merely the exceptions that proved the rule.

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gettwobrute79Member since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

To me, tanking is a combination of where an organization is on the win curve and saving money. If you want to say that’s a rebuild, fine. That’s a nicer word, but I think teams can rebuild a bunch of different ways than tanking where you’re bottoming out for half a decade.

Tanking in baseball isn’t about losing for a specific draft prospect. It’s about ripping it down to the studs by trading mostly anything of value on a, slashing payroll, taking some chances on talented guys who are lost. Because one awesome prospect can turn around your fortunes on a dime in football and basketball, that strategy is more popular. Baseball tanking is similar, but not identical to hockey. In hockey, you can get a Connor McDavid prospect who can step in and immediately make you relevant, exciting, and better…but with just that player alone as a difference, you still won’t be a good team. You need a good bit more than just that one player in hockey.

For owners, this is an easy strategy to get behind because they’re not paying much money for the product on the field. And owners are in this to make money. For GMs, the tank (fine, rebuild if you like that word better) gives them a good 4-5 years of job security because this is a long process to see to the end. If it even has an end.

The Astros are a good example of how this strategy can work because they managed to develop so many players internally. Even by botching some major picks! The Phillies job went sideways and despite a big development win (Nola) and a couple of small ones (Bohm, Hoskins) they largely had to prop themselves up through FA. Detroit’s has run into a ditch, although maybe that was destined to happen since their rebuild was built on the back of young pitching. Pittsburgh’s is too early to tell and has the added uphill battle of ownership too cheap to add any outside help to supplement any core that may come to fruition. So my Bucs seem destined to follow Detroit into the ditch.

How many organizations are or were recently embracing that strategy or something close to it? Baltimore, Oakland, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Miami, and the Cubs (to a lesser degree). That’s about 20% of the league, and maybe some more to come if the Royals, Angels and Tigers decide to hit the reset button with changes at the top. I wonder how well that strategy will work with that much of the league embracing it.

fjtorres
3 years ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

Problem is aging curves and injuries.
Winning/competitive teams don’t stay that way forever. A good front office needs to plan for the current season *and* the future. Pundits don’t.

Think back to the Phillies and Tigers: they kept extending their window with tbe same core over and over until the teamfell apart and it took over a decade to rebuild. In contrast tbd Dodgers, Yankees, Rays, and yes Cleveland, ard constantly reworking the team. LA and NYY because their budget allows it, The Rays because their budget requires it, and Cleveland because the owner demands it. (Six years after their WS appearance only one player remains–because he *chose* to leave money on the table.)

Different cases with similar outcomes: teams that are competitive year after year after year.

Back in the olden days, Branch Rickey said it best: better to move a player a year early than a year late.
As tru e now as in his day.

GM havd to be cold hearted not warm and fuzzy fans.

Famous Mortimer
3 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

Sounds like you’re more interested in sound financial management than baseball.

Luy
3 years ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

If your first paragraph is how you think of tanking… You think about it differently than that term is applied to basketball where it originated… and where it creeped over into baseball.

So… have fun typing 300 word comments about how you’re using a word differently than most everyone else. But don’t be surprised if you don’t sway many people.

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  Luy

I’m cool with it, champ.

Lanidrac
3 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

Yes, a simple rebuild is different, but an actual fire sale, which some of these teams are indeed doing, does count as tanking.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

Reds too

DBRunsMember since 2025
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I would argue not even the Astros were a great example. Sure, they ended up with the worst record and number one overall pick three years in a row. But people forget two of those three picks were Mark Appel and Brady Aiken. Drafting early in the first round is very very far from a guarantee of success.

maguroMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  DBRuns

They drafted Bregman with the comp pick for not signing Aiken, so they ended with two cornerstone players for three number one draft picks.

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  DBRuns

Tanking isn’t about who they ended up with at the top of the draft. It’s about being at the top of the draft to begin with. It’s about razing the big club and going through nearly half a decade before you’re approaching competitive baseball. Larger markets like Houston and Chicago can sign a big FA when the organization is on the upswing.

DBRunsMember since 2025
3 years ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

How do you approach competitive baseball then? An important avenue is drafting and developing. My point is that even having the number one overall pick is no guarantee you get that right. That considerably reduces your incentive. This isn’t the NBA.

JustinPBGMember since 2018
3 years ago

I like it. Postseason is a new season.

JustinPBGMember since 2018
3 years ago
Reply to  JustinPBG

I also like that every season brings 5-10 articles about how good the Dodgers are (rightfully so) and it doesn’t matter.

sbf21
3 years ago

Hate the new playoff format. 162 games over six months should be more meaningful.

agam22Member since 2017
3 years ago
Reply to  sbf21

Losing in the playoffs doesn’t have to render those 6 months meaningless. The issue isn’t to ensure the best regular season teams win the World Series, it’s just to put respect on regular season results in and of themselves and not just as the prologue of the postseason.

jaerockets
3 years ago
Reply to  agam22

totally agree, I think fans get tunnel-vision for postseason success and forget to just enjoy watching their team do well over the course of the season sometimes.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  jaerockets

Another up vote here. In today’s format we will never see anything resembling the 1949-1964 Yankee dynasty. Even the truly great Braves teams from 1991-2005 had the best overall record only nine times. True fans want to see a consistently competitive team and an occasional championship would be nice

Famous Mortimer
3 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

Oh, to be lectured about not being a “true fan” (whatever that means)

Luy
3 years ago
Reply to  agam22

It doesn’t have to. But it does. Good luck changing the American sports fans mindset about this.

Dan B
3 years ago
Reply to  agam22

This is the key point.
The regular season champions should be celebrated at least as much as the world series winner.

Scott
3 years ago
Reply to  sbf21

The new playoff format gives a bigger advantage to the top seeds. They get to rest their bullpen and set up their rotation against a team that had to use their top two or three starters just to advance to the DS. They also still get home field advantage.

qrusher14242
3 years ago
Reply to  Scott

On the other hand, there can be rust from being off for a week and then having to face a team on a roll like the Phillies/Padres. The rest maybe better for pitchers, but maybe not the hitters. Any kind of momentum is probably real hard to carry over after waiting a week.

I’ve never been a fan of extended playoffs, to me they also devalue the regular season further and further. I don’t mind it as much in other sports, but in MLB there’s way more games than those. Of course, i’m more of a traditionalist with disliking most of all the changes they’ve made to the game for a while (wild card, expanded wild card, DH in both leagues).I would rather than cut the number of playoffs than add to it. 1 Wild card per league was bad enough imo

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  Scott

I have to disagree with you. The teams that sat around for 6 days all looked rusty rather than rested. Professional athletes perform better when their routine is not interfered with. Even the Astros were one out away from going down one game at home. Judge looked like he was swinging a sausage and the Braves gave us a nice Nationals imitation.

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

It’s probably best to give it more than one season before we make sweeping judgments that this format doesn’t work.

shumway
3 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

How do you support that statement that they perform better when not getting rest? I’ve heard more baseball players speak to enjoying the rest (most recently AJ Pierzynski) and setting their rotations than the notion of rust. There are so many variables to the outcome of the games, but I haven’t seen any players complain about long rest periods.

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lacslyer
3 years ago
Reply to  Scott

While this is true that the top two seeds have an advantage initially, something I think everyone overlooked is how easily that advantage can swing. Having momentum going into the second round seems to help substantially, and all the WC winner teams have to do to negate the top seed advantage is to split the first two games, making the series a best of 3 with them having the home field advantage.

This is why we saw the upsets in the NL. Two teams from the WC round split their first two games and then went home for – get this, their FIRST playoff home game after playing 5 games already. Their crowds were pumped up and were a huge factor for those teams, and why both of them closed out their series at home.

To be fair, I also don’t think teams anticipated momentum to be as significant of a factor, and something managers will keep in mind in the future, but the home field advantage swinging so easily with a single win is something they may have to look at.

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  sbf21

So stop watching after 162. The old format didn’t guarantee the best teams a cakewalk, and this was supposed to put more emphasis on the regular season. They had an easier path and just didn’t get it done. That’s the way it happens sometimes.

CHINarwhal
3 years ago
Reply to  sbf21

I’m really surprised that more people aren’t reacting this way. Think a lot of fans and media are loving the chaos of it all and enjoying the perceived choking of high-rolling Dodgers, but the playoffs shouldn’t merely be an opportunity for schadenfreude. The lack of grand narrative is bad for the game. At least the Padres beat both the Mets and Dodgers, albeit in a short series. The Philles- a high spending, large market team that simply wasn’t good enough over 162- have ridden the bottom of the bracket to a chance to “win it all.”

fjtorres
3 years ago
Reply to  CHINarwhal

Phillies got injuries.
Losing Harper from tbe OF and then completely was no picnic.

sweepcut
3 years ago

another cogent and well-researched article, Jay. you capture the same ambivalence i feel about the modern postseason — relishing the excitement of upsets and of long-suffering franchises advancing, while also feeling a little empty that we won’t see the best teams compete as often as perhaps we would like. and your point about the diminution of competitive drive is well-made. i’m a dodger fan and feel like we spend all this money for naught — why bother building one of the best teams of all time (and that’s more than merely throwing money at them) when it may wilt in one postseason round? i worry that everyone will just build an 81-win team, hope for a few extra wins to reach the postseason, and then consign themselves to hoping they survive a crapshoot. as for the dodgers’ postseason this time around, there were certainly some dubious managerial decisions, but nothing egregious; it really feels like the team, and especially the much-vaunted offense, just got baseballed. and the loss of watching the league’s very best teams face off would be less concerning if there weren’t other factors mitigating viewership — the ridiculously high numbers of tedious walks and strikeouts, the aesthetically ugly longueurs of 18-inning, 1-run games. here’s to hoping the future of the game is bright

Spahn_and_Sain
3 years ago
Reply to  sweepcut

“I worry that everyone will just build an 81-win team, hope for a few extra wins to reach the postseason, and then consign themselves to hoping they survive a crapshoot.”

You act like the teams who made the NLCS aren’t right up there with the Dodgers in the +$230M top tier on spending. The Padres were slated as a 90-win team at the season start and also on Aug.1 and their deadline moves bumped them up to 93 overnight.
If anything, the Brewers should be a dire warning about the dangers of getting too cute, thinking you can slip into the playoffs while trading away high-end talent for prospects.

sweepcut
3 years ago
Reply to  Spahn_and_Sain

I never said the NLCS teams did that. I said I worried that future teams would do that. Padres a cool example of smaller market going all in through trades/free agency

Luy
3 years ago
Reply to  Spahn_and_Sain

For every Brewers, there is a Guardians.

dl80Member since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  Luy

The Guardians literally couldn’t do what they do in any other division in either league.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  sweepcut

Who did that this year? I don’t see any team that didn’t either try to win enough to deserve a playoff spot, rebuild/tank/suck to cut payroll, or whatever the Rockies were doing.

sweepcut
3 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Look at the Brewers – perfect example. They had the division lead and didn’t even make it to playoffs after trading away Hader

m8942
3 years ago

I’m not sure I like a format where the top 4 teams in the National League never matched up against one another. To me it devalues the regular season. I don’t understand why a team like the Padres should be afforded the opportunity to eliminate a team that beat them by 22 games. Why grind for 162 games? What was the purpose?

Tel
3 years ago

Might want to put asterisks or N/A in the Division title and Wild Card berth columns – I noticed the unfortunate 2000-2004 Giants only had one wild card to show for it and scanned through to see if anyone else was like that. When I came across the 61-65 Yankees I thought “Wow they didn’t make the playoffs at all in those years hey wait they obviously did the tables wrong oh that’s why there are zeroes there” in the span of about 2 seconds.

wcatbb
3 years ago

“…the likelihood that he and his teammates probably…”

Impressive grammatical gymnastics that in all likelihood would probably win gold at the Olympics, but we may never know…

BobMember since 2016
3 years ago

MLB has shown consistently that it carries very little about the regular season. MLB sees more and more $$$ in expanding the playoffs, so that’s the direction MLB will go – always after the $$$. Really the only limitation on the postseason is the weather.Otherwise, MLB would expand the postseason so that it resembles the NBA’s.
Winning the World Series is about luck as much as talent. You just need to get in and get hot.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  Bob

It’s not just MLB. Fans don’t care about the regular season after CFB and NFL starts either. MLB is catering to the customer.

myartman
3 years ago

in 2020, the dodgers were down, 3-1, against the braves. they would have been eliminated had that been a shortened series like this one. easy to write that narrative. they went on to win it all. curious what would have happened with normal rest days between games and a longer seris.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  myartman

That was in the LCS, which is still seven games.

chkchkraise
3 years ago

I wonder how many years away we are from fully mirroring the NHL format, where all four rounds of playoff games are best-of-seven series. That would probably (definitely) mean shortening the regular season to fit it all in. Not sure how I feel about that, but lengthening each playoff series to seven games would at least strip out as much luck as possible, and do so equally across all four rounds.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  chkchkraise

It’s not a terrible idea

Johnnie TMember since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Yes it is, I think it is like the worst idea possible.

But this is the philosophic divide between those of us who think the regular season should matter more and playoffs therefore somewhat restrained (like me) and those who want PLAYOFF FUN even if it is mostly a grand crapshoot.

We just have different value systems!

But I think we can both agree that Jay did some fine research on this article.

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  Johnnie T

So for those who think the regular season should matter more, what’s the solution in that camp? Just not have a playoffs and have an end of year trophy? Obviously that’s not realistic, but it’s a serious question because we only see people complaining about the format when a high seed gets bounced.

LoafyTrophy
3 years ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

It’s pretty easy, go back to 3 division winners and one wild card. With the exception of some weird outlier years like 2006, you’re almost always guaranteed to have 90+ win teams facing off the whole way through the postseason.

You also get the added bonus of the playoff chase really mattering, instead of watching the final 3 spots go to teams (TB, Philly, and SD) that backed their way in. The chase for the wild card spot in the AL alone would have been better than what we actually got this year.

dl80Member since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  LoafyTrophy

There are lots of other options that also incentivize winning in the regular season and don’t create fewer games:

  • Higher seeds get to choose their opponents
  • Higher seeds get more than 50%+1 home games (maybe even make the number based on how much better they were)
  • Fully balanced schedule
  • Reseed after each round

I’m not saying these are all good, but they are at least options that won’t cost MLB money.

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  LoafyTrophy

Honestly I’d go to two divisions. I’ve said this before but if they expand I’d prefer to have four divisions of eight teams. Division winners each make the playoffs, the next team with the third best record makes it, and a one game playoff for 4-5.

Division, league, and World Series are all best of 7. For the division series, the best team in the league gets 6 of 7 at home, then 5 of 7 at home, and in the WS it’s the traditional 4 of 7 to the best team.

Famous Mortimer
3 years ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

Look at how every soccer league round the world does it (make the elimination trophy and the league trophy entirely separate). It’s at least worth a try.

LoafyTrophy
3 years ago

None of those ideas actually incentivize winning in the regular season anywhere remotely close to the way reducing the overall number playoff teams does. Everything you suggested is a complete gimmick too.

Higher seeds already get homefield and a bye under this system, letting them choose their opponent is just another perk. Reseeding teams that shouldn’t be in the playoffs in the first place is also 100% worthless.

MLB is ultimately going to cost itself money in the long run with the endless playoff expansion. Waters down the regular season and pisses off the die hards to the point they won’t watch in October (or can’t because half the f’ing games are on during the workday) in an effort to chase “fans” who will never ever ever watch more than 3-4 games a year.

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  LoafyTrophy

Are they chasing casual fans? Or keeping fans of more teams watching longer since more of them are in the playoffs? Would it be more of the latter?

One things for sure. Diehards of any stripe will bitch about the format no matter what.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  Johnnie T

The Presidents Trophy is supposed to reward regular season, no one cares about it. Unlike UEFA where winning a domestic league matters a lot. It’s in the mind of the fans and players. Before 1969 the Pennant mattered as much as the WS. Not now.

Luy
3 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

I think we should go back to calling the best record in the league the pennant winner. And let the WS champ be the WS champ.

You can call yourself LCS winner if you want… and that will sound appropriately dopey, imo.

Last edited 3 years ago by Luy
sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  chkchkraise

This would definitely be bad. Not only would you need 16 teams to make it work which would be far too many unless the league was 36 teams, but it would drag on forever. You do not want to NBA-Ize the postseason.

fjtorres
3 years ago

The problem with relying on regular season wins to force elliminated teams to take a walk of shame is that the team that shows up for the playoffs isn’t always the team that racked up the bulk of the rdgular season wins (or losses). Often even the players aren’t the same even when tbe same names get listed.

Other than peak Kluber, ballplayers aren’t robots performing exactly tbe same, day by day, month by month. Slumps happen, hot stretches happen, all the time. The regular season is just the sum of all thd streaks, averaged out. A .600 team wasn’t .600 ever week or every month.

The only issue is a hot or cold streak in July might get erased by may or august numbers, while tbe same streak in October stands alone.

Stuff happens. No biggie.
They play precisely to see *what* happens.

DBRunsMember since 2025
3 years ago

I think the most optimal format was the 3 division winners plus one wild card team in each league, with the wild card team exempt from playing a team in its own division. That would have led to Blue Jays-Astros, Guardians-Yankees, Mets-Dodgers, Cardinals-Braves in the first round.

However, with larger market teams increasingly dominating the playoffs, I do like how the expanded playoffs gives the Clevelands, Milwaukees, Tampas, Oaklands, Pittsburghs, etc. of the world more rolls of the dice. While baseball should be a meritocracy, you do need certain mechanisms in place for competitive balance.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  DBRuns

I think what’s really happening is that it gives the Yankees, Mets, Dodgers, Giants and Red Sox more shots at the postseason. Cubs too, but they opted not to take it.

fjtorres
3 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

It gives MLB more playoff games to monetize. 😒
Cleveland got four sellout home games worth.
Almost as much as april.

CHINarwhal
3 years ago

I think there is a big difference between upsets past and now, in that classic examples like 1973 Mets or 2006 Cardinals actually won their divisions. If you win 87 games in a year in which all teams were mediocre, it is what it is. If you win 87 games, come in sixth place in the league and STILL made it to the semifinal championship round, I don’t think that’s a good format. It diminishes the value of the playoffs.

Also worth noting that the Padres and Phillies are ranked fifth and sixth, respectively, for payroll. These aren’t classic small-market underdogs, they are teams that have spent a poop ton of money, underperformed over 162 games, and then gotten supremely lucky. Good for those fan bases… of course, come 2023 when 101-game winning Padres get booted by 85-game winning Diamondbacks, hard to imagine the same fans dancing on the graves of Dodgers/Braves/Mets will take it in stride.

agam22Member since 2017
3 years ago
Reply to  CHINarwhal

If you have to play two different 100 win teams 18 times each and get to 87 wins, that’s more impressive than getting to 83 feasting on a historically abysmal division.

CHINarwhal
3 years ago
Reply to  agam22

It may be more impressive, but unlike a historically abysmal division winner, a mediocre or underachieving team is almost guaranteed a backdoor into the playoffs. It’s not unfair the Phillies had to play Mets and Braves… The Phillies outspent the latter. They just weren’t as good. And I think it’s dumb to fall that far behind in any given season and still get an October reset.

jaerockets
3 years ago

I think it would be cool for the 1 seed to choose their opponent for the division series, imagine all the trash talking opportunities. IMO unless payroll disparity is addressed, the playoff format shouldn’t overly reward regular season success – it feels lame when whoever spends the most ends up winning every year.

bandrewv
3 years ago

As a Dodgers fan, I have to say the differences between us and the Padres could be summed up to the ferocity and passion the Padres side played with. You could absolutely tell that team had been tempered by the fire of a Wild Card race and a close Wild Card series they were predicted to lose. On our side, our team leaders were models of a methodical, business-like approach to success. To our credit, we were unquestionably successful through the long grind of the regular season. But when the Pads squared up and threw the first haymaker, we were stunned and never recovered. While I firmly believe in the system Andrew Friedman & Co. have built in LA, I would love to see more guys on the team that can step up to the plate/stand on the mound and have a look that screams, “You can’t beat me” without saying a word. I don’t see much of that on the Dodgers side. I’d like to see the core of Betts/Freeman/Buehler/Urias/etc. supplemented by guys that have yet to taste a championship. We need more hunger and a willingness to risk some regular season losses for some post-season passion. I dunno if that’s the right move, but I’m just trying to cope with the loss, I guess.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  bandrewv

The problem is that if the Dodgers had hit .450 with RISP and walked away with it, the narrative would be all about how their veteran playoff experience and business-as-usual approach exposed the Padres’ youth and inexperience. Ex post facto narratives determined by the outcome either way.

fjtorres
3 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

Yup.
Wait until tomorrow to see which narrative takes over: the power of payroll or Boone incompetence. Because to the Yankee fans it’s all about their team. Not about the other team.

Lambasting the Dodgers is the same: it’s not about SD playing better but about LA playing worse.

Going by the Dodger angst you’d think LA went 162-0 in tbe regular season and tbat midseason funk never happened.

bandrewv
3 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

I like the alternate reality angle, but the problem is they DIDN’T hit .450 with RISP. They looked like a team on their heels for the final three games of their season. By the look on their faces, it meant less than it did to San Diego. This isn’t just a numbers game, it’s also a human game. I didn’t see the Dodgers bearing down and gritting out their final innings. I saw the Padres overwhelm them in front of a thunderous crowd.

Luy
3 years ago
Reply to  bandrewv

You look like Bellinger at the plate with this response.

FrodoBeck
3 years ago
Reply to  bandrewv

Can you tell us who is going to win the WS based on the look on their faces right now? Because I’d love to use this surefire prediction methodology to make some money betting on the games.

agam22Member since 2017
3 years ago

If you really want to discourage tanking, I think the way this has played out has been the optimal result, even if it’s a one off fluke. It may de-incentivize creating a super team, but having the example that you just need to get to the high 80’s in wins to have a shot will hopefully convince more teams in the middle of the pack to go for it.

If you just resign yourself that only a super team can get to the world series, why bother trying to upgrade a middling team?

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  agam22

It didn’t work for the A’s or Reds. I’m not sure who it did work for. Twins maybe. Rangers? Tigers?

fjtorres
3 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

None of tbe above?
Twins, Rangers, and Tigers all spent big to win and ended up way back.
All for different reasons, too.
No one-size-fits-all excuse.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

Yes but if the goal was to make middling teams spend to get 81 wins Twins, Rangers and Tigers did that.

fjtorres
3 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

True…
…If the only thing that matters is spending….
…and only one season, not the down years when you’re paying Semien or Baez and getting nothing…

Ashburn Alley
3 years ago

Ridiculous complaining about the playoff schedule. Rust my butt. They just didn’t play well. They took advantage of bad teams during the season to build up their record and lost to teams not quite as weak. If you don’t think the favorite should lose, why have playoffs. Bunch of whining from fans and media not use to seeing the big butts they kissed all year out. Sad

PhilMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  Ashburn Alley

The Dodgers beat the Padres 15-4 in the regular season. (And it was 9-3 after Soto et al joined the Padres)

stljoe06
3 years ago

I despise the playoffs. Nothing that has occurred from March to the first week of October means anything. We force a game that has so much random chance built in to decide its champions via a short knockout tournament. The Regular season is just a group stage now. Anything we come up with won’t work. They won’t go back to single table and first place winners advancing straight to the World Series (price of entry too high); the more inferior teams we let in, the more chances an inferior team wins it.

Baseball has chosen money, and tv executives tell them a knockout Tournament sells. I guess so. It saddens me. I think of any of our sports, baseball could use an an infuse of football. The league is the league, and you win it if you finish first, and the cup is the cup, a knockout tournaments. They are two distinct competitive formats and they shouldn’t be blended because the knockout is over valued.

The more we let mediocre teams in, the less incentive we create for owners to actually compete, because a 100 or, in this case, a 111, win team means very little.

Last edited 3 years ago by stljoe06
gettwobrute79Member since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  stljoe06

So you wanna party like it’s 1955?

Luy
3 years ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

Yes.
I like watching good baseball. Not a random outcomes generator.

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  Luy

We could probably get rid of about half the teams in baseball with that strategy. A feasible idea. It’s not like the teams who advanced are bad teams.

Last edited 3 years ago by gettwobrute79
TheFightingBurkhardts
3 years ago

I don’t see how adding a 6th playoff team makes the likelihood of the top seeds losing any higher.

The challenge isn’t any different for the Dodgers (or Braves, or Yankees, or Astros) this year than it was last year – just another potential option for an opponent.

If anything, the “bye” teams are at a bigger advantage now as the WC round winner has to burn pitchers. Just because so far only the Astros took advantage of that is not a reflection of a bad system.

I don’t think any Dodgers fan was annoyed about rust or whatever when they were bombing Clevinger early in G1 – a game Clevinger had to pitch because the Padres top three starters were burned in the WC round.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago

The rust factor creates a disadvantage IMO.

TheFightingBurkhardts
3 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Three of the Four “bye” teams won Game 1.

szakylMember since 2024
3 years ago

You could argue that it helps the top teams (rust not withstanding). Top 2 teams in each league both still advance to the division series.

The top 2 wild cards also still play each other, but the difference now is that the worst division winner doesn’t get the automatic advancement to the division series. Your top teams are now less likely to play that 3rd division winner and more likely to play the 3rd wild card.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago

My favorite playoff gimmick – we should have a playoff berth in each league reserved for All-Star teams from the teams that didn’t make it. If that team “wins”, there is no World Series title awarded that year.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

NL
C – Contreras
1B – Walker
2B – Marte
SS – Adames
3B – Hayes
LF – Varsho
CF – Happ
RF – Carroll
P – Alcantara

This isn’t a very good team

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

The pitching would be good. Alcantara, Burnes, Rodon, Gallen, Webb…

The AL position players would look a lot better.

Last edited 3 years ago by cowdisciple
sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

The AL team would be totally stacked though.
C Adley
1B N Lowe or J Abreu
2B Semien
SS Seager or Xander B
3B Devers
OF Buxton, Trout, Ward, also Mullins and L Robert and Eloy and Kepler
DH Ohtani, also Arraez
P Ohtani, Cease, Mahle, Sandoval
This team would basically be unstoppable, even though the infield defense would be a bit of a mess.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Also you’re forgetting that the NL teams could roll with a rotation of Alcantara, Rodon, Burnes, and Gallen. Woodruff and Webb wouldn’t even make the cut which is hilarious. Plus the bullpen would have Devin Williams, Daniel Bard, and David Bednar.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

and Jhoan Duran.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

If both AS teams made the WS with all road games, where would they play it?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Omaha!

dl80Member since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Where’s John Elway when we need him??

CJMember since 2020
3 years ago

Sorry if someone already brought it up, but if you really want to make the regular season count, you can start teams with better record with a win. This also helps in scheduling, as the number of maximum games in each series decrease by one.
Wouldn’t have helped Dodgers or Braves, but should make a difference in the long run.
Just saying.

connjc
3 years ago

If the Astros don’t win this year, I’ll be interested if people start asking why they choke every year. The only world series they’ve won in their almost as successful “dynasty” period is tainted by their cheating scandal. Or do people just like trashing on the Dodgers?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  connjc

I think there’s still plenty of schadenfreude to go around with Houston, even if the cast of characters has changed quite a bit.

Jason BMember since 2017
3 years ago

It’s odd that in the wild card round, a 2-game regular season advantage (TOR winning 92 games vs. SEA winning 90) confers a true, decided home field advantage, with Toronto getting to host all three wild card games if the series went that long. (Ditto for all higher seeds in the wild card round)

Meanwhile a 22-game advantage (LAD winning 111 games to SD’s 89) confers a much smaller advantage in the NLDS: if the road team can manage to split the first two then they get a chance to close it out at home!

I don’t have a dog in the hunt, it’s just a very odd setup when you would think you would try to confer a larger advantage to the better team. All five games at the higher seed seems to be an unreasonable advantage but the current setup really isn’t much of an advantage at all.

Maybe a 4/1 split with only game 3 at the lower seed?

Michael Flanagan
3 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

Completely agree here and why we have to approach this by seperating about the three different formats being used.
Wild Card: ~54.1% of MLB games or so won by home teams. So small advantage but you try to avoid this series with a better record in the first place which is why people are fine with it.
LCS / WS: Haven’t done this myself but I’ve seen rundowns showing teams with better record winning somewhere 55-60% range. So a little better than generally being the home team but you’ve made it to last 4 and 2 teams. And it’s a 7 games series.
DS: Since the 2-2-1 format adopted in 98 I think it might even be less than 50% that teams with better records are winning. And after a split at home for first two games, the lower seed with home games 3 and 4 have won twice as many series as lost.

I just think the Division Series stage should be the point when the most advantage is gained in the regular season and it’s very likely the least. And possibly even a disadvantage because of the 2-2-1 format and harder to quantify but also because of the layoff. And the bye just doesn’t do it. It only avoids the random Wild Card stage.

So completely agree, why are we ok with 3 home games for higher wild card seeds but no change to division series format? I’m a fan of this 4/1 split.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago

They could even give the higher seed the last 4 games.

jmikula
3 years ago

Shorten the regular season by a month and let 8 teams in from each league. Then split the eight into two groups of four (based on seeding), everyone plays a home and home series against one another in their group (similar to champions league soccer). Top two in each group advance to division series, then play normal 7 games series from then on

Jason BMember since 2017
3 years ago
Reply to  jmikula

I can’t imagine the smaller market teams would give up 1/6 of their gate receipts so we can watch the Dodgers and Yankees play for another month

My echo and bunnymen
3 years ago

I’ve stopped watching the playoffs, this ain’t baseball anymore it’s just garbage. There’s no more favorites (I know literally there is, but spiritually no) to win when the difference between each round and a coin flip is maybe 5-6%. I love the regular season, I love the drama of baseball over a long stretch and how you can pick your team up with multiple players over time. The playoffs is not that by design and is the worst part of baseball nowadays. I wouldn’t have been excited about a Phillies-Padres matchup in the regular season and neither fan base would either. Thankfully both have stars but wake me up when October ends, it’s not exciting to always say “I’ll take the field” each October. It’s predictable and boring.

Lanidrac
3 years ago

I’m pretty sure the recent downturn in salaries had much more to do with a certain global pandemic drastically lowering revenues over the 2020-21 seasons.

tstats123
3 years ago

Jay, I think you have some of the numbers wrong in the first table in the incorrect order. For example the As scored a lot more than 136 runs in 1989.

nahMember since 2026
3 years ago

I know people don’t want to hear this or believe this, but especially before the current system , the best team sometimes didn’t even qualify for the playoffs. 162 games isn’t exactly a big sample either when the rosters and health of the players are constantly in flux.

Jason BMember since 2017
3 years ago
Reply to  nah

the best team sometimes didn’t even qualify for the playoffs”

Can you give even an example of the best team missing the playoffs entirely?

Lanidrac
3 years ago
Reply to  nah

And 1981 doesn’t count, as that was only due to a stupid decision by the Commissioner.

Darren SchmidtMember since 2021
3 years ago

Thank you. This is one of my favorite articles of the year.