Previewing Sunday’s Modern Baseball Era Committee’s Vote
Earlier this week, while I was still sleeping off a red-eye flight from hell, the Hall of Fame announced the members of this year’s Modern Baseball Era Committee ballot, which on Sunday will convene in San Diego to discuss the 10 candidates and cast their ballots (each voter can list up to four names). The voting results will be announced that evening live on MLB Network’s MLB Tonight at 8 pm ET/5 pm PT, and any candidates elected will be inducted alongside those from this year’s BBWAA ballot cycle (whose results will be announced January 21) next July 21 in Cooperstown.
The makeup of the 16-member committee is news unto itself due to the small committee process’s long history of questionable results tied to cronyism. I’ve long documented the ridiculous selections by the Frankie Frisch– and Bill Terry-led Veterans Committees of the late 1960s and early ’70s, first at Baseball Prospectus and then in The Cooperstown Casebook. Last year’s shocking election of Harold Baines added to the litany; let Dan Shaughnessy, with whom I rarely find agreement on baseball matters, singe your eyebrows with this description from earlier this week: “It turned out to be a Richard Daley-esque, back-channel, Cook County bag job orchestrated by Baines’s former White Sox bosses, Jerry Reinsdorf and Tony LaRussa, who were part of the 16-voter committee.”
Shaughnessy changed gears without noting that La Russa managed Baines in both Chicago and Oakland; that general manager Pat Gillick, who acquired Baines in Baltimore, was also on the committee; or that fellow honoree Lee Smith had connections to three voters as well, namely former manager Joe Torre and former teammates Ozzie Smith and Greg Maddux, but the point stands.
While connections between candidates and voters are an inescapable fact of longevity — one that could be offset by enlarging the committee and then mandating that those with obvious conflicts recuse themselves from the actual vote on particular candidates — this year’s committee doesn’t have ones nearly so glaring. If you’re prepared for some real inside baseball, here’s a breakdown of each group, listing the teams that each one was associated with, some of which were fleeting:
Candidates: Marvin Miller (MLBPA), Dwight Evans (Red Sox, Orioles), Steve Garvey (Dodgers, Padres), Tommy John (Indians, White Sox, Dodgers, Yankees, Angels, A’s), Don Mattingly (Yankees), Thurman Munson (Yankees), Dale Murphy (Braves, Phillies, Rockies), Dave Parker (Pirates, Reds, A’s, Brewers, Angels, Blue Jays), Ted Simmons (Cardinals, Brewers, Braves), Lou Whitaker (Tigers).
Hall of Famers: George Brett (Royals), Rod Carew (Twins, Angels), Dennis Eckersley (Indians, Red Sox, Cubs, A’s, Cardinals), Eddie Murray (Orioles, Dodgers, Mets, Indians, Angels), Ozzie Smith (Padres, Cardinals), Robin Yount (Brewers).
Executives: Sandy Alderson (A’s, Padres, Mets), Dave Dombrowski (White Sox, Expos, Marlins, Tigers, Red Sox), David Glass (Royals), Walt Jocketty (A’s, Rockies, Cardinals, Reds), Doug Melvin (Yankees, Orioles, Rangers, Red Sox, Brewers), Terry Ryan (Mets, Twins).
Media/historians: Bill Center (San Diego Union-Tribune), Steve Hirdt (Elias Sports Bureau), Jack O’Connell (Hartford Courant), Tracy Ringolsby (Inside the Seams).
While all of the Hall of Fame players on the Committee competed against the nine ex-players on the ballot, not many were actual teammates. Carew and John were together in Anaheim from mid-1982 to mid-’85. Eckersley played with Evans in Boston from 1978-84, and with Parker in Oakland in ’88-89. Yount teamed with Simmons in Milwaukee from 1981-85.
Exec-wise, Alderson, who spent 1981-’83 as the A’s general counsel and then ’83-97 as their GM, acquired John and Parker. Jocketty worked in Oakland from 1979-93, albeit on the minor league side; as the assistant GM of the Rockies in ’94, he just missed Murphy, who played there briefly the year before. Dombrowski, for all of his movement, doesn’t appear to have overlapped with any of the candidates, though he surely crossed paths with Whitaker given both mens’ long connection to the Tigers. Melvin pitched in the Yankees’ farm system from 1975-78 (when he might have crossed paths with Munson) and then served in their front office from 1983-85, near the start of Mattingly’s big league career.
Media-wise, Center covered Garvey during his 1983-87 stint with the Padres. O’Connell joined the Yankees beat in 1989 and thus covered the second half of Mattingly’s career with the team; he later worked nationally as well. The well-traveled Ringolsby, the committee’s lone Spink Award winner, began working nationally with the UPI wire service in 1971 and later served on the beats of the Angels, Mariners, Royals, Rangers, and Rockies, though he appears to have only Murphy as a primary connection. Also of note is that Hirdt, O’Connell, and Ringolsby were among the 11 BBWAA members who served on this year’s Historical Overview Committee, which built the ballot.
Additionally, it’s worth noting that all of the Hall of Fame players on the panel were part of the players union during the 1981 strike led by Miller, and all except Brett passed through free agency at least once. Meanwhile, Glass is the only owner on this year’s panel, a marked change from the previous times during which Miller’s candidacy has been considered. Those committees were rife with legacies of Reserve Clause era owners and execs, as well as participants of late-80s collusion and 1994 strike hard-liners. Reinsdorf and Glass, who bought the Royals in 1993, were on the 2010 panel, for example. While the other five executives on this committee got their starts in front offices near the tail end of Miller’s 1966-82 tenure as the union’s executive director, only Alderson was a GM, and that was during Miller’s blink-and-you-missed-it stint as interim executive director in late ’83.
So who gets elected? After the Baines wild card last year, I’m reluctant to hazard a guess, but via the Detroit News‘ Lynn Henning, who wrote at length about Whitaker’s case for today, I’m on record as saying, “It’s tough to imagine them electing three people Sunday, but I’m vaguely optimistic that there will be at least one person, possibly two.”
To expand upon that… This may be the most favorable panel Miller ever gets. It could be a favorable one for Simmons, who missed election by one vote on the 2018 Modern Baseball ballot, which elected Whitaker’s double-play partner, Alan Trammell, as well as another longtime Tigers teammate, Jack Morris. Brett, Carew, Eckersley, Yount, Alderson, Glass, and Hirdt all served on that committee, though nobody knows exactly how any of them voted. Their presence could help Whitaker’s cause as well, as Tony Paul of the Detroit News tweeted this earlier this week:
George Brett and Dave Dombrowski are on the 16-person committee that will vote on the Veterans Committee ballot this week. That’s great news for Lou Whitaker, particularly Brett, who has been quite outspoken on Lou’s candidacy for a long time.
— Tony Paul | Detroit News (@TonyPaul1984) December 2, 2019
Looking at the 16-member voting HOF committee, I see no fewer than eight *yes* votes for Lou Whitaker just from my interactions with and public comments from members. Needs 12. Power of persuasion is real here. It’s looking damn good.
— Tony Paul | Detroit News (@TonyPaul1984) December 2, 2019
Finally, the Hall of Fame Ballot Tracker team’s Anthony Calamis mined past years’ BBWAA balloting to note that Center did vote Trammell from 2014-16, and perhaps earlier (those are the ballots he published). Whitaker hasn’t been on a ballot since 2001, so at best, we’re working from inference here. My own Tracker perusal tells us that Ringolsby did vote for Murphy (and Trammell) multiple times as well.
None of which guarantees that any of the 10 candidates will gain entry. While Era Committees have elected four players in the past two years, we’re only three years removed from an epic stretch (2003-17) where no living ex-player was honored by such panels, and where at times the cruelty of the proceedings seemed to be the point. Miller is on record as saying he didn’t want to be elected posthumously (though I do believe other considerations trump that), Ron Santo died a year before being elected on the 2012 ballot, and Minnie Miñoso passed away in 2015, shortly after missing out via that year’s voting. This stuff can be heartbreaking. Nonetheless, I do believe that the most likely honorees come from the Miller-Simmons-Whitaker group, and will add that I’ll discuss the final outcome comes on Monday’s MLB Now around 4:15 PM ET/1:15 pm PT.
Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.
It boggles the mind that Tommy John is not in the Hall. Not just that record – which seems worthy in its own right – but how many players from that era are household names today?
Bob Uecker?
Tommy John is far from being a household name.
In my dreams, instead of electing Miller to the HOF they rename it the Marvin Miller Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum at Cooperstown.
Whitaker and Simmons both clearly belong in the Hall.
Tommy John is marginal as a player, but is clearly famous and this is the Hall of Fame, he should be in and putting him in as a player won’t lower the standards or anything.
In a fair world Miller would have gotten in during his lifetime, but I’d now respect his and his family’s wishes.
TJ is nearly at 300 wins, and cracks 70 by every WAR.
Put him in the hall.
Would you say Tommy John surgically dismantled his opponents nearly 300 times?
Would you say 300 wins is a *plethora*, Jefe?
If he doesn’t get hurt in his prime he picks up 300 wins, is in and it’s no discussion
I’m at a loss to understand the cool reception toward Dwight Evans. Jay’s write-up of Evans was excellent, and laid out a plausible case (although not a slam dunk case) for Evans’ candidacy. Evans, in my view, was statistically very similar to Eddie Murray: both had very long careers marked by well-above average production (albeit not outstanding production), and fairly long peaks. Neither were superstars, but both were consistently excellent over fifteen seasons. My personal preference is for higher peak players relative to those who have lower peaks but have very long careers ; I’m less enthused about “compilers.” But watching Evans play, I always felt he was among the best overall players in the game; the well-rounded nature of his game, and his consistency, almost seem to hurt him in the eyes of voters. In addition to Murray, Evans’ career reminds me of Cal Ripken, Lou Whitaker, and Fred McGriff. He’s kind of the anti-Larry Walker—- Walker had a higher peak, Evans was more durable and more consistent. I’d vote for both Evans and Walker; it is insane to me that the Hall might exist with Baines enshrined and Evans, Whitaker, and Walker on the outside.
“compiler” is such a lazy term. The history of baseball is littered with guys who would loved to have been compilers. The money guys started making at the end of their careers was so much better than at the beginning, that if you love playing the game and someone felt there was enough value to pay you to come to the park and play everyday than why wouldn’t you?
Whitaker has Neck over the rest of the field. After that, leaning Simmons. Evans had a unique career similar to Whitaker, very good at little things, never stood out as the #1 on his own team, and was one of my favorite players as a kid.
Murphy, Parker, Mattingly were the best players in the league for a very short time and flickered, and Munson.
That leaves Miller, Tommy John, and Steve Garvey. Garvey almost doesn’t seem like he belongs on the list… overrated, but his prime was before my time. Even at the end, when he was way below replacement, there was buzz about him; the opposite feeling we get from Pujols’ death march. Then Tommy John… he had two careers of goo, but never great pitching. What is amazing is not that he came back… but how durable and results-effective he was. In his first 12 seasons, mostly through the deadball era of the late sixties, he threw 71 complete games. In the seven seasons post surgery, he threw 74! He also won 64% of his starts despite lacking any overmatch skill to defeat a batter. I’ll bet he also said things like “up your butt Jobu.”
Gotta give TJ he edge for reinventing himself to remain relevant, while the others (Munson withstanding) never excelled outside their briefs primes (Parker had an 18 month run, but never sustained).
Miller gets the 4th
I concluded quite quickly when I saw the names that Whitaker is largely a shoo-in. Assuming many if not all of the returnees votes for Simmons I would think he will get across the threshold too – everyone on the committee will know he missed by 1 last year. Simmons has a weaker committee than last time but I think falling one short will help convince everyone to put him in.
With fewer owners I think miller has a chance as well but it will be close. I also think the Voters will want to get Munson and Evans enough votes to return them
So therefore I am going with Simmons and Whitaker with Miller, Munson and Evans the only ones over 50%.
Seems like it should be Lou, Simmons, Miller & those would all be good selections. Tough to pick that 4th spot. I think 2-3 others are deserving & they all have some positive to note:
Evans- Probably #4. Just consistent all around player, overshadowed by Rice, Lynn, Yaz. Never quite got the credit he deserved because a lot of it was wrapped up in OBP & defense & he was a quiet guy. Didn’t have big years like Rice did. Better hitting earlier in his career & he’s probably already in.
Munson- Probably #5. Tough omission. Was certainly on the HOF path & he was such a huge factor in the 70’s & the Yankees resurgence. He has the hardware. Big time winner & that’s the name of the game. Biggest question was he almost done as a starting player when he died? Or could he have held on for years in a C/DH/OF role?
John- Wouldn’t mind if he got in. 280+ wins, long career. Meets WAR standard & is a top 15-20 guy in many longevity based #’s. Give him credit for being the guinea pig on a surgery that has changed baseball.
Murphy/Parker/Mattingly- These 3 get lumped together. I’d vote them in the order listed, but, not sure any is really worthy. All COULD have been, but, injuries & drugs (Parker) just left them short. Parker was probably the best at his peak, but, it was shorter than Murphy’s & he gets dinged for stealing $$ for 3-4 years mid career, where Murphy & Donnie get credit for character. Mattingly is easily 3rd of this group. Short peak & then not much otherwise.
Garvey- #10..but, I lived thru the era he played & he was certainly thought of as a HOF type player when he was playing. He was as well known as guys like Reggie Jackson, Brett, Schmidt, etc. Had the black ink, AS games, yearly round #’s (200 hits, 100 rbi, .300 BA) & playoff accomplishments. Consecutive game streak. Honestly, if he would have gotten started a couple years earlier, he may have passed 3,000 hits & gotten in. As it is, without his post career scandals he may also have gotten in. That hurt his rep & by the time that stuff got forgotten, we had advanced stats to tell us he wasn’t as good as we thought in the 70’s/80’s. I did enjoy reviewing his career with Jay’s synopsis, probably my favorite one. Easy to forget what a figure he was in the game.
Tommy John should get in for the legacy of his surgery. Total up the WAR achieved post-surgery by all the pitchers who’ve received it and then try to say he hasn’t had a massive impact on the game of baseball. You can make a case that Tommy John Surgery has changed baseball more than PEDs.
You mean Frank Jobe should get in.
Jobe, Scott boras, billy beane/Bill James, Marvin Miller all should be in based on the amazing impacts they had on the game but John shouldn’t make it make for having a bad arm that needed surgery – he has a strong case without that.
But that has absolutely nothing to do with his case as a baseball player. He just happened to be the right candidate at the right time.
Is Miñoso really not in the HOF? Huh.
Yeah it makes me angry every time I think about it.
I can see Simmons and Miller getting in, with Whitaker at 50 / 50. I‘D love to see Munson get in as well, but I don’t think the math will work out. If those three get in with, say, 14 votes, That means you have, what, 22 total votes to split among seven candidates?
People need to get off Harold Baines. When he retired he was top 50 all time, ALL TIME in hits, homeruns and rbi’s. He’s still top 50 in hits and rbi’s but has fallen in hr’s. At some point in time guys figured out easier ways to hit home runs. Calling him a compiler is just lazy. That’s saying if every player wanted to keep playing they would have. Someone has to see enough value in you to pay you to come to the park and play everyday and the money he was making at the end of his career, why not? Don’t try using war either. It’s a stupid made up stat that doesn’t determine at all how good a hitter really is because a guy who hits the triple crown should have no argument for MVP and yet people argued another guys war was so much better.
They had to marry Harold Baine. When he retired, he was one of the top 50, all-time in scenes, Homerun and RBI. He’s still in the top 50 in the scene and RBI, but he’s dropped in HGH. At one point, it was easier for the boys to get to work earlier. To call it complete is just lazy. That said, if every player wanted to keep playing. Someone needs to see enough value to pay you in the park and play with you every day, and the money you make at the end of your career, why not? Don’t even try to use war. He is stupid and does not determine how good this concern is because a man with a triple crown should not stand for MVP, and those who did not claim to be a man A much better fight