Reds Add Shogo Akiyama, Spur More Francisco Lindor Speculation
This year’s free agent market provided few options for teams seeking center fielders. Only 36-year-old Brett Gardner made our Top 50 Free Agents list, and he’s played a significant number of innings in the corners. The non-tendering of Kevin Pillar added another option, but he’s a slightly below-average performer and forecasts to be the same this season. None of the other major league free agents projects for even a win above replacement next season. All of that combined to make Shogo Akiyama potentially the best — and possibly the only — full-time starting center fielder available for a team hoping to contend. The Reds have been very clear about their wish to contend in 2020 and with multiple question marks in their outfield, Akiyama and Cincinnati have reportedly agreed on a three-year deal. The cost isn’t yet known, but reports have thrown out figures in the $15 million to $20 million range.
Akiyama comes to the Reds without a posting fee due to his tenure in Japan. He will be 32 years old in April, though he’s been incredibly durable the last five years, playing in the maximum 143 games each year and averaging 674 plate appearances per season during that time. He’s put up at least 20 homers in each of the last three seasons, though his isolated slugging percentage dropped by about 50 points in 2019 compared to the 2017 and 2018 seasons. Scouting reports are mixed on Akiyama’s present skillset. At Sports Info Solutions, Wil Hoefer wrote the following as part of his scouting report:
The good news on that front is that Akiyama has starting outfielder tools right now. His quick hands and good bat speed give him above-average game power and hit tools, albeit with some concerns about rigidity in his wrists and his occasional issues falling out of the batter’s box on contact. He’s an above-average runner in his early 30s, and while he does show good range and jumps in center, advanced defensive metrics–which should be taken with a grain of salt since they are a fairly new phenomenon in evaluating NPB players–are lukewarm at best and show a decline in Runs Saved from his earlier years in center field.
Over at Baseball Prospectus, Kazuto Yamazaki was a bit more bullish on Akiyama’s defensive abilities, but not quite as optimistic about his offense, particularly the power:
His speed and glove should transfer well to stateside ball, making him a plus defender at a premium position. The bat is likely to play average, with an off chance to be above-average if he adjusts well to the offensive climate in the major leagues. It is safe to say Akiyama becomes an above-average center field regular upon his anticipated arrival to The Show in 2020, with a glove-first second division regular downside. Although, given his age, he may have only a few good seasons left.
If we think the bat is likely to play average with good on-base skills, not that many strikeouts, maybe decent power, good baserunning, and average to above-average defense in center field, that sounds a lot like what Jason Heyward and Brett Gardner have provided over the last few years. That’s also what Akiyama’s projections look like. Here are his ZiPS projections, courtesy of Dan Szymborski:
| Year | BA | OBP | SLG | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | OPS+ | DR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2020 | .273 | .331 | .433 | 600 | 79 | 164 | 32 | 5 | 18 | 71 | 48 | 106 | 10 | 98 | -3 | 1.9 |
| 2021 | .269 | .326 | .427 | 550 | 70 | 148 | 29 | 5 | 16 | 63 | 43 | 94 | 8 | 95 | -4 | 1.4 |
| 2022 | .268 | .324 | .412 | 500 | 62 | 134 | 25 | 4 | 13 | 54 | 38 | 82 | 7 | 91 | -4 | 1.0 |
Akiyama represents a depth play with some upside for the Reds for roughly the same guarantee the Brewers just gave to Avisaíl García. Prior to this signing, the Reds were slated to have Jesse Winker, Nick Senzel, and Aristides Aquino as their three starting outfielders. That’s an intriguing group, but Winker hasn’t been able to stay on the field, while Senzel has had injury issues of his own and Aquino had an awful September after a great August. The team’s current depth includes Phillip Ervin, Rule 5 pick Mark Payton, and Travis Jankowski. Signing Akiyama gives the team a solid starter, but also added insurance. If we assume the outfield is going to receive a combined 2100 plate appearances, even if Akiyama, Aquino, Senzel, and Winker all stay healthy, they can each get somewhere in the neighborhood of 120 starts and 500 plate appearances. In the more likely scenario where one or more players is injured or not producing, the team is less likely to give considerable playing time to players who would constitute a significant dropoff at the plate and in the field.
If all four outfielders stay healthy, the team could also try Senzel out at shortstop, a possibility that was explored before the 2018 season. Even if he’s below average at short, his bat would likely be a big improvement over Freddy Galvis‘. After bringing on Mike Moustakas and Wade Miley, Akiyama is another signing in the same vein. He doesn’t blow anyone away, but two more wins is two more wins. The deadline deal for Trevor Bauer was the team’s major acquisition for 2020, and the Reds look to be in the same range of wins as National League Central contenders like the Brewers and Cardinals.
And if we wanted to get speculative, there’s always the Francisco Lindor scenario. Akiyama and Senzel appear to overlap a bit positionally, and if the Reds were willing to take a few chances with a lack of depth in the outfield, Senzel is the type of player who might headline a Lindor deal. While Senzel didn’t have the best debut in 2019, he entered the season as the game’s seventh-best prospect. That’s roughly the same position Dodgers’ prospect Gavin Lux is in right now. If the Reds were able to center a Lindor trade offer around Senzel, it might serve to close their window for contention earlier than they might want. But to close a window, you have to open it in the first place and adding Lindor would provide the Reds with the clearest opportunity to contend since they last made the playoffs in 2013. With the rest of the division slowing down or moving backward, the Reds have given themselves hope, and there’s still the possibility for a franchise-altering move that pushes them to the top of the division.
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Akiyama is a really good fit for any team that isn’t confident in their center fielder. I’m willing to go so far as to state that the Reds might be ahead of the Brewers now.
The problem is that Senzel now has less team control and a year of not lighting the league on fire and some more health questions, so suddenly he’s not as exciting. Plus, Cleveland would be trading Lindor within the state of Ohio, which probably wouldn’t be insurmountable, but they might require some more assets coming back than they would from the Dodgers.
The big question now is whether they can play him in right or left field without depressing his trade value further. I actually think that the best outcome for him would be a trade with the Braves, who have a ton of pitchers. Kyle Wright for Nick Senzel makes sense as two guys getting changes of scenery. If he didn’t have only one year of team control left, I’d also pitch Andrelton Simmons as a great fit for the Reds with their groundball-heavy pitching staff.
How about the Reds trade for both Mookie Betts and Lindor and try to win something this year?
The Red Sox have to trade Betts because as a big market team they get nothing in compensation for him leaving.
From MLB.com
If a qualifying-offer free agent’s previous team is over the luxury-tax threshold, said team will receive a compensation pick after the fourth round has been completed. If a team neither exceeded the luxury tax in the preceding season nor receives revenue sharing, its compensatory pick will come after Competitive Balance Round B. The value of the free agent’s new contract has no impact on the compensation pick in both of these cases.
http://m.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/qualifying-offer.
So Red Sox will receive compensation and level depends on whether they are over luxury tax threshold (presumably in 2020).
And nobody gives Mookie away because they won’t get anything at the end of the year; there are plenty of teams who would take him at his current salary for one year and play to win in 2020.
Who in the world are Reds trading for Betts AND Lindor? They’d have to swallow hard to pony up for a year of Betts, let alone get two of Lindor on top of it.
Whoa can’t say anything bad about the Brewers here. They’re like the Rays, salt of the f*cking Earth period
Maybe I’m naïve in this, but I just kind of doubt that Cleveland would trade Lindor to the Reds.
It’ll be a substantial public relations problem trading the team’s resident superstar to *anyone* with two years still remaining on his contract, and the club rating as a serious contender for the playoffs. But I suspect that sending him to the Reds — in terms of potential PR repercussions — is almost like trading him within the division, given the proximity of the organizations.
It’d be rather like the Royals & Cardinals, or even almost Yankees & Mets making a trade, while both are trying to compete. You just don’t see that.
Considering they traded Bauer to the Reds, I doubt Cleveland has such concerns.
Considering how Bauer was performing and what they got back, Cleveland could overcome their reluctance fairly easily. Lindor’s price would likely be higher. Not sure many teams can afford that price.
Yeah, but they also got back a couple of major league pieces (including a rental, so it also king of looked like they were going for it) and Lindor is easily the team’s biggest star.
I’m not saying they wouldn’t do it, but I think their price is probably higher for the Reds than the Dodgers.
Wouldn’t the Indians be getting back an MLB piece (Senzel) in any trade with the Reds involving Lindor? And would the Indians really be more likely to trade Lindor to a team that is much more likely to be their opponent in an eventual World Series matchup?
I think for a Lindor to the Reda trade to work, a 3rd team has to be involved. Trading Lindor opens up a massive hole for the Indians at short, And the Reds have no one to send back to fill that hole. In theory, Jose Ramirez could shift back to SS, but he hasn’t been a regular SS since 2015. And I’m not sure that he’s open to playing anything other than 2B or #B at this point. So without a 3rd team, I don’t see it happening.
Ramirez is open to 2B, but only full time, and in truth he’s much better at 3B. Playing him at 2b weakens both positions. Getting Hernandez made more sense given their spending habits.
And yes, because of the Martin trade they need a shortstop back in any Lindor trade. And not just any old warm body SS. They need a starting SS. Very doubtful he’ll get traded at all.
Yep. The Indians stated goal is to be competitive every year. That’s one of the things that a lot of people missed about the Kluber trade. They reportedly had better offers but they involved lower-level minor leaguers. Which just didn’t interest the Indians. You see the same thing with the Bauer trade – they got back 2 MLB players and two upper-level minor league pitchers.
So I think to pry Linfor away, the Indians will be looking for a shortstop who can immediately replace at least half of Lindor’s value. As well as other valuable pieces. And honestly, trading Lindor makes a LOT more sense when guys like Nolan Jones and Tyler Freeman reach the majors. That will give the Indians more flexibility in terms of what they receive in return for Lindor.
Freeman and Jones are probably not going to reach the bigs until Lindor hits Free Agency, so it’ll be too late to trade him then.
Jones put in 200+ PAs at AA last year so he’s not that far away. Freeman, I agree, is less likely to be in the bigs before a potential Lindor trade.
Next year is more likely than midseason 2020, and midseason is more likely than preseason.
This is very much why I thought the logical deal was for a team who already had a good shortstop they could send back, plus a high-level prospect. People were annoyed when I pitched Lindor for Seager and one of Lux/May/Ruiz, but I do think that is the beginning of a good framework.
People objected to the Lindor-Seager, trade on grounds that Lindor wasn’t that much better than Seager; I actually disagree on that point, but it’s worth noting similar types of objections would probably sink any other deal too. Other teams could, in theory, work, but people will find objections to them as well. Gleyber Torres, Paul deJong, Willy Adames…there are huge objections to all of them for various reasons. This deal is going to be really hard to pull off right now, which is why it doesn’t seem likely.
Not sure why people were annoyed with you. That strikes me as a decent return for Lindor. Plus, if the Indians fall out of contention, Seager can be “re-flipped” for more assets.
Oh no, that wasn’t the objection. People thought the Dodgers were getting robbed. I think it’s a fair deal, and the sort of deal Cleveland would need to get in order to make it: The Dodgers are really deep, so one of the few ways to improve is get their hands on a 5-7 win player; but Cleveland has some holes, so they can theoretically get their hands on a shortstop who gives them 50-67% of the production and another guy who can (maybe not this year, but soon) give them 50%-67% of the production somewhere else.
But yeah, Dodgers fans hated it.
Dodgers fans hated it because seager has been a 6+ win himself 2 out of his 3 full seasons.
So yes…naturally they didn’t like the idea of moving one of those three top 11 in all of baseball prospects(2019 updated board) for Lindor.
You can disagree with the size of the difference between Lindor and seager all you want but that’s a horrible trade for the dodgers any way you slice it and it would be a terrible use of their overall resources.
Why wouldn’t they just keep seager and move Lux in a deal for a Hader or a Thor?
I know you’re stubborn and will refuse to bend on this one but seager and Lux for Lindor really is a horrible offer.
Maybe not Lux, then. Lux is outstanding and one of my favorite prospects too, although it depends on what the internal valuations are of each of the Lux/May/Ruiz trio would be. Unless Cleveland doesn’t like Ruiz for some unknown reason, he could easily take his place.
The thing about Seager is that his 2016-2017 performance on defense looks like it’s not coming back, and something weird is up with his offense. Obviously if you think he’s returning to being a 130 wRC+ guy then it makes no sense to trade him for Lindor. I think it’s pretty clear his launch angle was way out of whack last season, so his ability to rediscover what made him great back in 2016-2017 is the key to understanding what his future holds.
@sadT
Well said.
Now I feel like a jerk for saying you’d be stubborn. Lol.
In regards to a Lindor trade…ruiz is the only one of those 3 that I could see dealt…but not in a deal that included seager.
Whether any of us agree or not…Lux appears to be going nowhere.
May…is probably untouchable as well. The kid forced his way onto one of the most talented rosters in baseball in his age 21 season and he didn’t fail to impress as he put up a 115 era+ in his small sample of 34 innings. The reality is that the dodgers envision Buehler, May, & Urias as the future core of the rotation and I just don’t see the dodgers changing that for Lindor when they have other value to offer.
Ruiz…is really tough as well. His positional value makes him really hard to move as well but with the emergence of Will Smith and with Diego Cartaya in the organizational depth…they could view Ruiz as the most expendable of the 3.
***Note to Indian fans that are about to fire off some angry responses at me: None of this is to say that Lindor is or isn’t worth these types of prospects. I’m just trying to give a dodger perspective on why they might or might not be willing to move them…and before you tell me that the dodgers won’t get Lindor without player x…I get that too.
In regards to seager…while he obviously wasn’t the 6 win seager last yr he was clearly rusty from the year he sat out and I’m not sure I’m ready to jump to the conclusion you did regarding his defense. FWIW…bRef’s Defensive runs saved had his 2019 on par with his 2017 defensive performance.
All in all I don’t think we’re too far off on most of this except for the fact that I think it wouldn’t be a wise use of resources to use seager and one of those 3 just to potentially improve by 1 or 2 wins at SS(at best?). I’d much prefer that the dodgers use their resources to add a shutdown bullpen piece or to solidify their top of the rotation for the playoffs.
Yeah, the more I dive into it, Lux is probably an FV65, along with Gore and Adell (and maybe Luis Robert) and behind Franco. The Dodgers clearly have plans for him. You might say the same for May. I’m not sold on him as an FV60, but again, if the Dodgers have plans for him, he’s probably not going anywhere unless a starting pitcher comes back in the deal.
With respect for Ruiz, I think if the Dodgers feel like that is too light, they could probably get something else back. I would guess that Valera and Rocchio aren’t going anywhere, but I don’t think the framework is insurmountable.
As for whether it’s wise for the Dodgers to try and improve at shortstop–I don’t know. It clearly seems like they want to, and moving Seager to 3B (as some have suggested) doesn’t work so well if he can’t rediscover his stroke. The bat is far more valuable at shortstop. They’d be better off trading some of their valuable chips for a pitcher, either now or at midseason, but the price on guys like Josh Hader or Blake Snell or whoever they’re going to try to trade for is going to be bonkers.
@sadT
Another solid comment.
In my obviously biased opinion…I think the only way the dodgers trade for Lindor is if they do it in a 3 way or if they move seager separately and use some or most of that value to pay for Lindor.
Right or wrong…I just don’t see the dodgers moving Lux or May and I can’t see them moving seager AND Ruiz for just Lindor.
That said…it’s quite easy to see the dodgers move seager to a team like the reds, braves, yankees, brewers or another SS needy team and then turning around and using some of that return along with some of its own prospect value to pay for Lindor…which, in theory, would allow them to keep Lux & May out of the deal.
Does that mean the Indians or reds or braves would be willing to do that? Who knows but I think it’s more likely than the dodgers including lux or May in a Lindor deal.
Anyone with a knowledgeable perspective on the reds, braves, yankees or brewers interested in throwing some names out there that might pay for seager and potentially interest the Indians in a Lindor trade?
Waters and a solid pitching prospect could be an appealing part of a package to the Indians or maybe Garcia from the yanks or Lodolo and India from the reds or etc etc
It’s tough to get hometown fans excited about trading a shiny new prospect for anything right when he’s about to come up.
Lindor for Seager/Lux seems to me like the a trade in which both fanbases would come off feeling like they kinda got screwed, which means it’s probably fair.
@JDR
I think all of baseball has changed the way they value these shiny prospects with cheap control. Fans are just following suit.
That aside…The dodgers have said they won’t trade Lux for Lindor straight up but you want to talk about the dodgers trading Lux AND seager for Lindor? Why? You can’t seriously think that will happen…right?
Man there’s an awful lot of homerism downvoting going on around here this offseason. I wonder if we’re beginning to see the decline of this comment section.
Anybody gonna write up Luis Robert? Been a fair amount of news lately…
I hadn’t seen that, but then I googled him. That looks like a great deal for the White Sox.
I apologize for just sitting here and sniping, but I’m not sure why 6 years and $50M is a “great deal” or even an especially good deal for the Sox. I’d say it’s better than 50/50 they come out behind, relative to what they’d have otherwise paid Robert during a conventional first six seasons.
Here’s my logic. The first three years Robert would have basically made the MLB minimum. So around two million total. Thus the mere break even on the deal becomes $48M for three years during the arbitration seasons.
So something like $12M the first year, then $16M, then $20M in the final year of arbitration. That’s a pretty big star, right? And that’s the break even point. It feels like the best part for management is almost certainly the two option years — but even those are $20M each, which again is only a great deal for the team if he’s at least a consistent 4-WAR player. That’s an awful tough standard, like top 12-15 position player in baseball, I would think.
I agree with you, I do like seeing young players get paid so at the very least it makes me happy. With that said plenty of guys are getting 20m per year approximately, and after next CBA, who knows.
Pretty much exactly my thoughts. a) it’s good to see a young guy get paid, and b) it’s a very aggressive contract.
The WSox clearly see star in that potential.
You would have to go … a very long way beyond Nick Senzel to get Lindor with two years remaining.
Senzel actually has more trade value than Lindor, at least per https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/. Those values obviously aren’t gospel, but it’s hyperbole to say that it would take something “way beyond” Senzel to land Lindor.
“it’s hyperbole to say that it would take something “way beyond” Senzel to land Lindor.”
Actually it’s not. There’s absolutely no way the Indians would do that trade straight up. And let’s not forget that last offseason the Indians stated position was that they would only trade Kluber or Carrassco if they received more than they were worth in return. The same principle certainly applies to a Lindor trade.
This Reds fan site, which analyzed trade options came to the same conclusion. To wit:
“Two clear conclusions:
1. Nick Senzel has to be at the top of any prospects-based package for Lindor
2. Nick Senzel is nowhere near enough to bring back Lindor”
http://redscontentplus.com/2019/12/on-trading-nick-senzel-for-francisco-lindor/
What did the Indians end up moving kluber for again? Is that really the example you want use?
As a comparison, the Brewers gave up Brinson (60 FV, 13th best prospect), Diaz (50 FV, 104th overall prospect), Harrison (50 FV) and Yamamoto (40FV) for Yelich who’s best season was 5 wins at the time.
Lindor has had two 5+ win seasons and a 7+ win season. He has never in his career been below 4 wins and is only 26 years old.
The idea that Senzel should be enough for Lindor is pretty insane.
To be fair, Yelich was under team control for 4 more years with a team option for a 5th.
Sure, but its not like Lindor is a rental. You still get 2 years of control and Lindor has been worth ~10 wins more than Yelich was when he was traded in roughly the same amount of games (I think lindor has played ~70 more).
The brewers traded for Yelich hoping he could become an elite level player. Lindor is already an elite player at the same age and still has 2 years of control. There is no way you are getting him for less.
Oh I agree just wanted to point out that there was an important difference in length of control.
‘it’s hyperbole to say that it would take something “way beyond” Senzel to land Lindor.’
There’s a zero percent chance the Indians would do a Lindor trade in which Senzel was the primary piece. I think that justifies a “way beyond” statement.
2 years of Realmuto, a 5-win player, returned an FV55+ in Sixto Sanchez, an FV45+ in Alfaro, and an FV35+ in Stewart. Lindor is a 6-win player and Senzel is a diminished FV60 (like Austin Meadows was and he’s turned out great), so I think throwing in an FV50 like Lodolo or maybe even Hunter Greene would be reasonable.
I think 2 years of Kris Bryant would return the Cubs something in this neighborhood. I’ve seen Kiley McDaniel using the dated Surplus Value framework to come up with far worse returns such as only a single FV50 for the Cubs.
This is also why the Red Sox can’t trade Betts right now. His value is still quite high now since he’s a 7-win player (ARZ got two diminished FV50’s in Weaver and Kelly for 1 year of 5-win Goldschmidt), but it declines rapidly to maybe a bit more than what the Orioles got for Machado (FV45+, FV40+, 2 FV40’s) at the ASB. Teams would rather wait until the ASB to trade for Betts.
Oh, and Arenado would probably go for a bit less than Bryant because of his opt-out in 2 years. As we’ve discussed many times, if Arenado’s continues at his 5.5-win level, he opts-out and you don’t get control over his age 31-35 seasons. If he slips-in-the-bathtub or his bat speed suddenly slows down, then you’re stuck with $35M/year for his age 31-35 seasons. I don’t think the downside risk is so great, so it might work out to negligible and he’d return as much as 2 years of control of Bryant would.
Usually these trades aren’t made straight up, but I would figure Senzel should basically get it done.
It might…if Lindor played for the Tigers.
But at Cleveland’s position on the curve they need immediate production and not prospects. Hence the Bauer trade composition: two immediately useful pieces, two for 2020, plus a lottery ticket.
And Lindor is worth more. Whatever they get has to make them better *now* and later.
So two MLB, 2AA/AAA, plus. Not many teams can cough up that much, even for two full years of Lindor. Probably just the Dodgers and Yanks and it’s doubtful tbe Yanks would do it, given that Torres seems more comfortable defensively at SS.
Except no team would give them that.
Which is what I said: no trade. Period.
At least for now.
If the team implodes and 2021 is suddenly out of reach, then they might go for prospects but right now they want major leaguers.
They won 93 after blowing two months, without Kluber or Carrasco doing much, and only partial seasons from Mercado, Plesac, and Civale.
Right now 90 wins are reachable, and a stretch to 95 not impossible, so why subtract 4 WAR in exchange for maybes? If they were to trade Lindor they want established value.
Go get Lindor!
I wish the Yankees had signed Akiyama > resigning Brett Gardner.
Shogo is a cool baseball name!
I m glad to see the Reds still trying hard. Not sure they have done anything more than a wild card contention, but I’m all for Votto getting some last chances at a WS before he leaves the game. Darn shame they were not able to get Votto a better team when he was really really good!
Indeed a cool name. It can lead to questions like “What is Shogo’s Total War?”
Why won’t the Reds give Phillip Ervin a shot at a full-time job? He was a former first rounder and has not done poorly at the MLB level. There is something there…
To many Ks. His bats been meh in a part time roll, so nothing compelling them to give him more chances. I think if he were to slug .500 for a few months then he might earn more time. Winker can on base .400 when he is healthy, but that’s it. So Ervin just needs to show he can slug and he can win LF.