The Dodgers Have Had a Strange Offseason

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Maybe we shouldn’t doubt the Dodgers. They’ve won nine out of the last 10 NL West titles, and in the year they didn’t win the division, they won 106 games. They’re juggernauts by design, a team built to withstand the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. They draft well, develop well, spend a ton of money, and spend that money intelligently. They’re the closest thing baseball has to a dynasty these days, and given the inherent randomness of the playoffs, that’s not likely to change anytime soon.

That’s all true – and despite it all, I’m leaning towards doubting their chances in 2023. For the first time in years, I don’t have to jump through hoops to come up with reasons to do so. The Dodgers look like one of the best teams in baseball, but they no longer look, at least to me, like the absolute class of the league. It’s weird to think of it that way, but let’s talk through it together.

First things first: the Dodgers lost a ton of good free agents this year, just like they do every year. That’s simply the cost of doing business when you’re good as consistently as they are; your team will naturally be filled with great players approaching free agency. This year’s iteration of the team lost a whopping 21.3 WAR worth of 2022 production, the highest mark in the majors. The list of the top five teams when it comes to lost 2022 production is a who’s who of clubs trying to contend right now:

2022 WAR Lost in Free Agency
Team 2022 WAR Lost
Dodgers 21.3
Yankees 20.8
Mets 18.2
White Sox 13
Padres 11.7

Hey, when you look at it that way, it’s not so bad! The Yankees and the Mets are right there with the Dodgers. Only, you have to consider both sides of the ledger. The Yankees, for example, lost 11.4 WAR worth of production from Aaron Judge alone. But uh, they still have Judge after signing him back in free agency. Here are those five teams again, with two new columns this time: 2022 WAR added in free agency and the net gains or losses overall:

2022 Net WAR Lost in Free Agency
Team 2022 WAR Lost 2022 WAR Gained Net
Dodgers 21.3 6.9 -14.3
Yankees 20.8 20.3 -0.5
Mets 18.2 26.1 8.0
White Sox 13.0 2.9 -10.1
Padres 11.7 9.6 -2.1

The Dodgers have experienced the biggest talent drain in the majors this offseason. The crop of free agents they’ve signed produced 14.3 fewer WAR in 2022 than the former Dodgers who departed in free agency. That’s the lowest mark in the majors by far:

2022 Net WAR Lost in Free Agency
Team 2022 WAR Lost 2022 WAR Gained Net
Dodgers 21.3 6.9 -14.3
White Sox 13.0 2.9 -10.1
Braves 6.5 0.4 -6.1
Brewers 5.7 0.0 -5.7
Rays 6.2 1.4 -4.9
Astros 10.5 6.6 -3.9
Red Sox 11.4 8.2 -3.3
Twins 5.4 2.9 -2.5
Mariners 1.9 -0.5 -2.4
Padres 11.7 9.6 -2.1
Rockies 2.2 1.1 -1.2
Giants 8.9 8.1 -0.8
Cardinals 4.0 3.3 -0.7
Yankees 20.8 20.3 -0.5
Royals 1.9 1.5 -0.3
Blue Jays 3.1 3.8 0.7
Marlins 0.5 1.3 0.8
Tigers -0.1 0.8 0.9
Phillies 8.8 10.0 1.3
Reds 0.6 2.2 1.6
Nationals -0.6 1.1 1.7
Guardians -0.4 1.8 2.2
Pirates 0.0 2.5 2.5
Diamondbacks -1.5 1.3 2.8
Orioles -1.0 3.0 4.0
Athletics -1.6 2.9 4.5
Rangers 2.3 8.1 5.8
Angels -0.1 7.1 7.3
Mets 18.2 26.1 8.0
Cubs 3.4 12.1 8.7

These losses aren’t contained to a single area. Trea Turner was arguably their best player in 2022. Tyler Anderson and Andrew Heaney gave them valuable starts and innings. The bullpen lost an aggregate 153.2 innings of excellent pitching, to the tune of a 2.87 ERA and 3.02 FIP (excluding the mop-up innings that Hanser Alberto handled). Justin Turner posted a 123 wRC+. Even Cody Bellinger, who left after the team non-tendered him, played excellent defense and accounted for 1.7 WAR despite his continued offensive failings.

In Dan Szymborski’s recently published ZiPS projections, you can see the team’s shortcomings. For the first time since the 2019 season, the Dodgers have a starting position projected for less than two WAR – James Outman and Miguel Vargas combine to project for 1.2 WAR in left field, and Outman and Trayce Thompson project for 1.9 WAR in center. A second base by committee situation barely clears that arbitrary 2.0 WAR bar; Chris Taylor, Max Muncy, and Michael Busch are the headliners of a group that ZiPS projects for 2.1 WAR.

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Of course, it was never reasonable to expect a team to continue racking up regular season wins at the clip the Dodgers have managed in recent years. In the past five full seasons, they’ve averaged 104 wins per year. They played at a 116-win pace in the shortened 2020 season. Short of churning out a new batch of phenoms, they were never going to hold that pace.

That’s not to say that their farm system hasn’t produced big league talent. Vargas, Busch, and Outman are all rookies. Diego Cartaya and Andy Pages are each only 21, but both look like future stars. There’s a crop of pitchers on the way, too, led by Bobby Miller. Tony Gonsolin and Dustin May are young, controllable, and excellent. As of last season’s end, The Board had the Dodgers as the number seven farm system in the game even after all the trades they’ve made in the past few years.

But if you’re looking for a year where the Dodgers seem mortal, 2023 might be your best bet. Gavin Lux is no sure thing at shortstop. Vargas has played exactly one inning at third base in the majors. Muncy is 32 and will be playing out of position almost every day; he’s posted respectable numbers at second base, but with incoming defensive positioning restrictions, his range and arm will be tested more than ever. The Dodgers’ offense will still be excellent – they have Freddie Freeman, Mookie Betts, and Will Smith anchoring their lineup – but it’s unlikely to be the best lineup in the game this year. Per our Depth Charts projections, they have the eighth-best crop of position players.

The starting rotation checks in at ninth in those same projections, though I think that underrates the Los Angeles starters. Missing Walker Buehler will undoubtedly hurt, but even without him, they’ll run out five above-average starters with more reinforcements available in the high minors. They’ve also shown a consistent ability to get more out of short-term free agent signings than expected; would it surprise anyone to see Noah Syndergaard bounce back this year?

The Dodgers are still betting favorites to win the division, but they’re nearly neck-and-neck with the Padres, and our projections like the Padres more. This surely hasn’t gone unnoticed in Chavez Ravine. Even if the Dodgers are more optimistic about their internal replacements than our projections, the talent drain is undeniable. Why haven’t they done more in free agency?

I have a few ideas, none of which are ironclad. First, it’s worth noting that the Dodgers will likely squeeze under the first competitive balance tax threshold this year. That threshold is $233 million, and we currently have the Dodgers juuuuuust under, with a projected $232,899,125 CBT payroll. Being a dollar under that threshold has huge monetary benefits thanks to repeat overage penalties.

The competitive balance tax rate changes based both on the amount by which a team exceeds the first CBT threshold and the number of seasons in a row that team has exceeded the first threshold. Here’s the matrix of possible tax rates based on those two variables:

CBT Tax Rates by Threshold and Years
Over By First Year Second Year Third+ Year
0-20M 20% 30% 50%
20-40M 32% 42% 62%
40-60M 62.5% 75% 95%
60+M 80% 90% 110%

How does this affect the Dodgers’ total payroll outlay? In both 2021 and ’22, the Dodgers exceeded the first CBT threshold. That means that if they end the year with a payroll above $233 million, they’ll pay the highest possible tax rate on their overages.

That can add up to a lot of money. As an example, imagine that starting in 2024, the Dodgers run a CBT payroll of exactly $300 million every year. If they head into 2024 after not paying any tax in ’23, they’ll owe $91 million in payments from ’24 to ’26. If they instead run that same $300 million payroll every year, but head into 2024 having exceeded the first threshold for three straight years, they’ll owe $122 million over those three years. That’s a substantial savings, and this year is the first where it’s made sense for the Dodgers to do so; they couldn’t have reasonably ducked under the threshold in 2021 or ’22 thanks to roster construction, but they had a huge number of players depart this winter.

This situation is even more precarious thanks to Trevor Bauer’s contract. Bauer won an appeal that reduced his suspension by a year. He’s now due roughly $22.5 million this year, which counts against the team’s CBT payroll regardless of whether Bauer rejoins the team (his salary is included in the projected CBT payroll figure referenced above). The uncertainty around that decision reportedly factored into the team’s conservative offseason plans, and given how close they are to exceeding the first threshold, it seems likely that they made their decisions with Bauer’s appeal in mind. They may have to make further concessions to remain under the CBT limit, but given their proximity to it and their decision-making so far this offseason, I’m guessing resetting their CBT status is very important to them.

That cost savings ties into my next idea: the Dodgers are setting up to land Shohei Ohtani next offseason. Ohtani looks to be headed for the largest contract in history, and with good reason: he’s a generational talent hitting free agency in his prime. The bidding will be fierce, and some early estimates have eclipsed a $500 million total contract size. Teams that think they stand a reasonable shot of landing Ohtani should absolutely be planning around that now if it doesn’t mess with their current plans too much, and I’d argue that the Dodgers have done just that.

Despite their consistently high spending habits, the Dodgers are hardly in the business of signing a top free agent every year. They’ve accomplished a lot of team building by developing and extending their own players or by trading for stars. For every Freddie Freeman, there’s a Julio Urías. Even if you think of Betts as essentially a free agent signing – they traded for him a year before he would reach free agency and gave him an extension that year – he and Freeman are the only players earning more than $20 million a year. Clayton Kershaw comes in at exactly $20 million. The Dodgers run big aggregate payrolls, but they do that because they pay up to retain their own players.

If you think that they’ll generally continue to build the roster in that style, adding another top-tier free agent this offseason would start to complicate their ability to sign Ohtani while running a remotely reasonable payroll. One of the Dodgers’ long-running strengths has been depth; when one of their stars disappoints or gets injured, they always seem to have someone else to throw into the mix. Most teams lose those players to roster crunch and free agency, but not the Dodgers. They consistently have more capable starting pitchers than they can use in a rotation at one time, and they gave both Taylor and Muncy eight-figure average annual values to maintain that depth. If they’re intent on continuing that roster style and have their eyes on a big name in the 2024 class, it would make sense to sit ’23 out for the most part.

One other option: maybe the Dodgers just didn’t like any of the top free agents this year. Judge was the only top-tier outfielder on the market this offseason, and if the Dodgers are higher on Lux than industry consensus, it’s entirely reasonable that they simply didn’t see a reason to splurge on a shortstop when they had a young player of their own they wanted to give the job. Sure, there were plenty of excellent pitchers available, but I like their rotation, and it’s entirely possible that they aren’t willing to give long-term deals to pitchers, period. To the best of my knowledge, they haven’t signed a pitcher to a contract longer than three years since Kenley Jansen’s extension kicked in way back in 2017.

Regardless of what the Dodgers are doing, I don’t think you can write this offseason off as simply them being cheapskates. Their front office has consistently been one of the best in the game for a decade, and ownership has never been averse to spending when it makes sense. It’s fun to play armchair GM and say that a team simply isn’t doing enough, or that they don’t know how to build a winner. That would be a laughable claim here; the Dodgers have shown time and time again that they deserve the benefit of the doubt.

This is no blind appeal to authority; the Dodgers are a well-run group. That doesn’t make their plan any less interesting, though. The Dodgers could have done more to maximize their 2023 team’s chances of winning the NL West or the World Series. If you could ask Andrew Friedman that question in private, I’m sure he’d concur. The question, then, is what they’re doing instead. I think they’re building to a differently shaped but still dominant team in 2024. Their NL West opponents would be well advised to put their best foot forward this year – I don’t know what the future holds, but it’s entirely possible that 2023 will end up as the weakest Dodger team of the decade.





Ben is a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @benclemens.

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raregokusMember since 2022
3 years ago

I think you’re right about their intentions, but I’m skeptical that LA will end up under the tax line. Unless they move a reasonable chunk of salary out, they’ll go over the tax line just moving guys between AAA and the majors and basic roster churn. Not to mention what they do at the deadline if they have SD breathing down their necks. I think LA was expecting a smaller reduction in Bauer’s suspension and got caught with their pants down to a relatively minor extent.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  raregokus

They could probably trade Syndergaard (for example) and plug in a rookie or (eww) Bauer. I agree that it doesn’t seem possible for them to stay under the line without some kind of reduction.

Last edited 3 years ago by cowdisciple
GoodEnoughForMeMember since 2018
3 years ago
Reply to  raregokus

They’re close enough where I think as the season progresses they can dump a not important 40 man player with a an attached prospect of little note probably and be ok.

JohnMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  raregokus

You might be right, but I have a hard time thinking this management team got caught with their pants down. They analyze everything, they had to have multiple plan based on multiple outcomes.

raregokusMember since 2022
3 years ago
Reply to  John

You’re probably right, but it just seems strange to me that they wouldn’t give themselves more of a cushion if they weren’t surprised by the verdict. The margin is razor thin.

myartman
3 years ago
Reply to  raregokus

Given that they came within $100,000 of the tax *before* the news came out and then stopped spending, I wonder if there was a leak.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  John

I know the Dodgers front office is usually very good at this but they are running out of teams to bail them out of these jams as they either learn about the Dodgers’ games or get fired. The Reds, Braves, and Padres all played this role once but not anymore.

myartman
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I think they just didn’t have expiring contracts with nil to negative value to dump in exchange for taking on bad money in a structure that would duck them under the tax (Homer Bailey). That could have been Jason Heyward, but he was already cut! I think they understand that San Diego and NYM will spend immense money and nearly all prospects, and they would rather have more opportunities, long-run, to go deep into the playoffs.

Personally, I would just rather them acknowledge some more orthodox roles in postseason pitching to acknowledge that guys like Heaney can’t start a playoff game and guys like Gonsolin won’t last a season until they’re more stretched out. They develop and optimize better than anyone, even Houston, but they at times reinvent the wheel and end up outsmarting themselves.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  myartman

This offseason is beginning to look like a very rare misstep for the Dodgers front office. I think it’s totally okay to say that this time, the high-wire act might not work.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago

Ohtani is sure going to be interesting, since it seems like about 10 teams are planning around signing him.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

I’ve been curious about this for a while. The Dodgers and Giants will be all-in; the Cubs, Mariners, and Rangers will also be involved. That’s 5 for sure. The Angels will also be involved but they probably don’t have a chance after what he’s experienced.

I don’t really think that the Yankees, Padres, and Mets will be involved given their current commitments but I can’t rule them out either; they’re 50/50. Same with the Blue Jays.

I doubt the Phillies, Braves, Red Sox, Astros, White Sox, Cardinals, Tigers, or Nationals will be involved, but I can’t rule it out for certain. Maybe one of them will be involved. I’m pretty sure the rest will be out.

So my best guess is that 8 or 9 teams will be involved, with six teams in heavy pursuit.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I’d add the Orioles as a dark horse? They have basically nothing on the books and are ready to try to win. Of course, that was true this offseason too.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

They would be a good dark horse. I don’t know that the Orioles’ recent track record and history of spending inspires confidence that they could land him even if they made him a competitive offer–he would probably take one from a different team. But I could see them getting involved anyway.

fjtorres
3 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

Ohtani will either stay on the west coast or go to a big market team. Baltimore is neither.

Just look at where the other star japanese players have signed.

Last edited 3 years ago by fjtorres
cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

Well, I did say dark horse, and Ohtani has already shown that he’s not necessarily interested in the most money. Mostly I just don’t want it to be one of the mega market teams that I already hate.

Maybe they’d let him play the OF.

Last edited 3 years ago by cowdisciple
fjtorres
3 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

Are the O’s going to bid $500M?

soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The Guardians have been luring everyone into a sense of false security for the last decade and now is when they’ll strike!

Antonio BananasMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

As a Braves fan, if they aren’t trying for Ohtani, then Albies and Acuna are getting peanuts for nothing

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago

Maybe you could get an article about that contract!

DLHughey
3 years ago

If the playoffs are truly a crapshoot, then they’re basically deciding that going under the CBT for one year is worth trading a likely 1st round bye for, but still getting a wild card berth. It’s not like the Dodgers will miss the playoffs, especially since any team with a pulse gets in now.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
3 years ago
Reply to  DLHughey

This seems exactly right to me. To account for the value of the CBT reset you have to realize the number they’re trying to maximize over the next decade or so isn’t total regular-season wins, it’s World Series win expectancy. The short-term cost of this year’s “quiet offseason” is very likely not going to be that they miss the 2023 playoffs.

fjtorres
3 years ago

Two things to consider:

1- The Dodgers have a fair amount of near-ready prospects. At some point you need to find out who can play and who is trade bait.

2- The team you take into spring training isn’t necessarily the team you take to opening day much less the team you take into the playoffs (if you make it).

The latter not only applies to the Dodgers, but all teams. Maybe Lux steps up, or maybe they can trade for a SS in June. Maybe Boston gets Devers to extend or maybe they can’t and have to move him. Maybe LAA is buried in July and they move Ohtani. Stuff happens.

Teams that “win the offseason” can and do land with a thud by May and teams that bet on the kids can and do win the bet. LAD knows their kids and the team can get a lot of salary room if the kids work out.

Their track record suggests they ought to get the benefit of the doubt.

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fjtorres
3 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

Never mind the Devers options; word is Boston avoided a total collapse. $331M/11.

demilio
3 years ago

It might not change anything, but I think what they are trying maximize is long term profit, not WS wins. Those are mostly correlated but not always.

fjtorres
3 years ago
Reply to  demilio

Going for broke often leaves you…broke.
“Flags fly forever” but they don’t fill seats forever.

tung_twista
3 years ago
Reply to  DLHughey

More like the Dodgers are trading away 20~30% of the chance of getting a 1st round bye.
Even if they maintained the level of spending, their chances of winning the division was probably ~80% tops and now it is closer to 50%.

PC1970Member since 2024
3 years ago

What would it cost in prospects to dump Bauer’s salary on a non-contender?

That’s the obvious place to save some $$. OR is Bauer so toxic no one would even consider such a move? (& I wouldn’t blame them, without even getting into the morals of it, the PR hit along could/would be problematic).

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  PC1970

No one would touch Addison Russell. That’s the closest one I can think of.

carterMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

Not saying this is a good reason, but Russell wasn’t a Cy Young caliber player, either

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  carter

Fair enough, but I think it’s also fair to wonder how Bauer would actually pitch after such a long layoff, and that 5.8 WAR season sticks out from his generally 3 WAR-ish track record.

I doubt we’ll find out, though. At least not in MLB.

GoodEnoughForMeMember since 2018
3 years ago
Reply to  PC1970

A ton of Dodgers players did not/do not want him in the clubhouse. Even before all of this he was known as a big time jerk and difficult player to be around whenever players could anonymously go on the record about him. I think moving him would be hard, but much like Deshaun Watson in the NFL it technically only takes one team to want him.

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DLHughey
3 years ago
Reply to  PC1970

With how little Cohen cares about payroll, I’d be shocked if the Mets didn’t consider taking Bauer just to DFA him and get a 45-50 FV prospect or two for doing so, especially since their system is quite lacking.

PC1970Member since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  DLHughey

That’s what I was thinking. He’s getting paid either way.

Would Detroit do that? or Texas? Baltimore? Some team that is under the tax & stockpiling assets

There’s an arbitrage for LAD there, if the prospect is worth more than Bauer’s salary, but, less than the savings of future luxury tax payments by being under the 2023 tier 1 threshold.

It’s still icky.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  PC1970

I wonder how the league would look at this, since it would be effectively trading cap space.

zaphrodesiac
3 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

The league didn’t seem to care when the Braves did precisely this by taking rehabbing from tj Bronson Arroyo and his whole 10 million in exchange for (at least then) well regarded spec Touki Touddaint

zaphrodesiac
3 years ago
Reply to  zaphrodesiac

I worded this wrong. Arroyo AND spec Toussaint for basically nothing

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  zaphrodesiac

True, but that wasn’t specifically to avoid the luxury tax.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
3 years ago
Reply to  DLHughey

Between the reputational hit and the extra tax money they’d owe on him, I would not expect a New York team to do this. Maaaaybe it’d work for a team with a lower 2023 payroll and a friendlier media environment. St. Louis, Detroit, someplace like that.

DLHughey
3 years ago

The reputational hit is likely a larger factor than a financial hit. Between Bauer teasing the Mets in his free agency, and the stink of the Porter/Callaway incidents, the Mets do need to keep the off-field “lolMets” to a minimum, especially around serious issues like what Bauer was suspended for. This would be a strictly business transaction, but try telling that to the NY Post and radio callers.

This should be something a non-contender in a small market far away from the CBT does, but I wouldn’t put anything past Cohen. I mean, what does a banana cost, $10?

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  DLHughey

There’s always money in the banana stand.

sbf21
3 years ago
Reply to  DLHughey

Cohen is a free spender but I wouldn’t assume he doesn’t care about payroll. He’s not about to spend $60M (Bauer’s salary plus tax) for a couple of mid level prospects.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  PC1970

I think he would cost an FV50 prospect. Given that Michael Busch has no place on the team, he’d be the most likely to go. And then the team that got Bauer would DFA him immediately.

I had this idea that they could have traded him to the Tigers for Javier Baez. Baez is a mess, but sometimes he plays very well, and the Dodgers need a shortstop. The Tigers could DFA Bauer and get out from under Baez’s contract for the remaining years after 2023, and the Dodgers could have a shortstop with some upside. But the Dodgers are so close to the tax line for it to work for them, they’d have to throw in prospects and have Detroit eat enough money so that the Dodgers would be under the line.

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  PC1970

There are actually several teams that would do this. The Tigers, Orioles, and Nationals all seem like very logical teams for this.

Two teams that should be doing this are the Red Sox and A’s, but I think they’ve spent their money elsewhere on middling upgrades.

proiste
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I’d rather not have my Red Sox put someone like that on the team, even if he filled an area of need. I’m sure plenty of other fans would feel the same for their own teams

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  proiste

I don’t know that he would ever be on the team. At least 25 teams would cut Bauer immediately rather than play him and quite possibly all 30.

JohnMember since 2016
3 years ago

Why are you projecting Muncy to get so much time at 2nd base? Most Dodger fans I talk with when looking at the current roster construction have Muncy at 3rd base, Taylor getting the bulk of 2nd base, with Thompson/Outman/Vargas doing CF/LF.

carterMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  John

Apparently some brass today said Betts might play 2nd. But if he does who the hell plays the outfield ?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  carter

The Dodgers do not have a problem with finding someone to play second base.

JohnMember since 2016
3 years ago

Devers is a good plan B if plan A doesn’t work out

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  John

Was.

JohnMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

The FA class is now just Ohtani/Urias and possibly Machado

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  John

Aaron Nola as well, I think? It’s definitely paper thin on top talent.

Last edited 3 years ago by cowdisciple
sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  John

Ohtani, Nola, maybe Machado. After that, it’s a group of pitchers who could end up in different orders depending on how they perform this year (Urias, Snell, Giolito, Mahle, Montas, maybe Scherzer, maybe E-Rod). And somewhere in there will be Matt Chapman, too. I wouldn’t be surprised if we were talking about the banner free agent year for pitching, just because there are so many guys who have had very good years in the past.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2020
3 years ago

I do wonder how the shift ban will affect the Dodgers. For years, they’ve fielded a stable of pitchers that drastically outperform their peripherals. They’ve done it with generally average to below average guys in the infield too. I wonder if their pitching staff will come roaring back to Earth with no more shifting in play. Every starter posting a below 3.00 ERA is just absurd.

Side note: I’d love to see an article about the Dodgers insane FIP-ERA differential over the past half decade or so

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

I wonder the same thing. They sure don’t seem overly concerned with the quality of their infield defense.

Joe Joe
3 years ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

The Dodgers pitchers typically run xERAs similar to their ERAs, and their wOBAs are typically very similar to their xwOBAs. One would think the ERA and wOBA would be much lower than their statcast counterpart if defense/shifting was mostly responsible. Assuming 10 runs for 20 points of xwOBA over 600 PAs, the Dodgers pitchers limited contact on balls in play that would equate to 0.58 runs saved/game (3766 PAs/600PAs *10 runs *30points xwOBA/20 points xwOBA / 162 games) over the average team in 2022. This is really close to their ERA-FIP. i think the Dodgers have figured something out about pitching.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
3 years ago

Dodgers, Yankees, Mets, I don’t care but I can finally relax and smile for the first time in months. If you wonder why just take a peek at my handle.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago

The one thing I can’t get over: They put themselves $100K away from the tax line to sign JD Martinez?! There are so many things they could have done that was better and that would have cost less than $10M. But they just had to have a right-handed hitting DH. They are just obsessed with it.

JohnMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Obsessed? This is just the 2nd year of the DH, and Smith/Turner/Muncy handled it in 2022. What is the obsession?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  John

True, before that they were first basemen — Freese, Pujols, probably someone else I’m forgetting.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I simply cannot understand what the so-called experts were seeing when they watched J.D. Martinez try to hit after July 1, 2022. The mediocre stats do not give a realistic picture of just how washed up he looked during the second half of the season. A paltry 10 million is chicken feed in the game now but, as you say, almost anything would have been a better way to spend that money.

sterling62Member since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

So through June 26th, JD hit 329 with OPS of 924, and then he suddenly became washed up? I didn’t have the chance to watch him all year like Red Sox fans, but maybe he had an injury or ailment that affected him in the second half of the year?
You may be smarter than the Dodgers, but I will bet on Friedman in this case.

fjtorres
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Or they saw something they think they can fix to get more out of him than other choices.

MRDXolMember since 2021
3 years ago

One thing I really don’t like is that they have been near totally silent on the Bauer situation. I think they’re trying to find some less-than-ethically-prioritizing team willing to take him while the Dodgers eat a chunk but not all of his salary. I dearly hope that no one takes him and he’s forced beyond the public eye forever. But I don’t know the personalities of the various front offices well enough to say with confidence that it will happen. Is it overly cynical to suggest that how much teams— at least some of them— care about reprehensible off-field behavior for a player is connected to how valuable that player is?

Nobody touched Addison Russell after he was cut loose, which frankly I think is connected to Russell the player; he was always an extreme glove-first player who couldn’t hit much and the bat was apparently getting worse, while his glove had presumably already peaked in his early 20s. A vet min salary 2ish WAR infielder is clearly not worth it, to teams, of the awful PR and clubhouse issues of having a guy who did what Russell did on the roster.

The Astros infamously traded for Osuna, but was released and not touched by any American team after he blew out his UCL and needed TJS. Again, not worth it to rehab him and see if he still had it after that. And, of course, that org was inarguably (at that point in time) run with the principle of winning by any means. Aroldis Chapman, however, was not cut loose after his suspension in 2016, which I am reasonably sure is connected to him being one of top half dozen or so relievers in baseball at that point in time.

Domingo German, Odubel Herrera, and Julio Urias all survived their DV suspensions as young players/highly-thought-of prospects with their careers perfectly intact, though it bears mention that Urías’ violation and suspension were (apparently) less serious than the former two. Those players were highly valuable to their teams with so much cheap control and hoped-for production, which I think is largely why their teams accepted them back.

Of the 15 players that have been suspended under MLB’s DV policy, Bauer is unique in (1) the length of suspension, where MLB clearly wanted him gone essentially as long as they legally could, due to the detailed vileness of his behavior, and (2) also being an established star still in his prime. Urias was a top prospect but not established. Chapman was definitely a star but a closer, not a recent Cy Young winner SP, and was suspended for 30 games not 194. I don’t think any team would want Bauer on their roster making $28M.

But I have to wonder if there aren’t callous executive/ownership pairings out there doing calculations on how much the PR/clubhouse fallout would be worth it they’d be paying Bauer say $10M or $5M or the vet minimum to play for them next year. The Dodgers want to stay under the tax; I think they’re trying to find someone to take a part of his salary, maybe even with a prospect, while MLB would like to see him released and blackballed.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  MRDXol

I think (hope?) he’d at least need some time in a foreign league before anyone would take him, probably with a Josh Hamilton / Matt Bush style image rehabilitation in the interim.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  MRDXol

Luke Heimlich is another data point in favor of your thesis. Nobody was going to take him on; he was just not good enough.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  MRDXol

But all that said, I actually think Bauer might be an exception here where he might have trouble finding work. His behavior was erratic enough before, so that colors how teams view him. I do think that if Luhnow was still around he might take a chance on him, but he’s not.

I would guess that the team most likely to take him on is a team that has a meddling owner who doesn’t listen to his baseball people. So the most likely place he would wind up is the Astros, because Jim Crane kind of liked Luhnow’s jerk behavior and he’s fired almost everyone who would tell him no. Reinsdorf might do it. Normally I would say Moreno but since he’s selling the team, he probably doesn’t rock the boat. I’d give Houston a 10% chance; the White Sox a 2% chance; and the Angels a 2% chance. And the rest of the field at something like 6%, and no team at 80%.

MRDXolMember since 2021
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Astros definitely feel like the most likely overall, though their rotation is already overflowing. I would be more convinced if they weren’t maybe the least SP needy team in baseball. White Sox I doubt; Reinsdorf meddles specifically for his buddies, like TLR, and Bauer is not exactly the buddy-making type. Moreno def wouldn’t do it bc that PR disaster would make selling the team way more difficult than it needs to be.

Rangers maybe just based on their mandate to win at all (at least financial) costs. Who knows what the hell the Monforts are gonna do at any given point.

myartman
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Preller would do it to win a ring.

Joe Joe
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Considering Houston current PR problem, I’d put Houston at near 0%.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Joe Joe

IDK, did they fire the person in charge of PR or not?

fjtorres
3 years ago
Reply to  MRDXol

Callous is a given but there is a strong puritanical streak in the US in general and the business world in particular. They might hold their nose and try to rehabilitate a mean drunk/wife beater but S&M is a bit much for their brand consultants.

Plus, Bauer hit a high ceiling twice. In 2018 and 2020. The rest of the time, not so much. Plus, he’s coming off an 18 month hiatus…

The Dodgers have to low key the release to avoid further drama and giving him grounds to sue. S&M *is* legal and that’s all that is proven *so far*. But there are other allegations…

Too much drama.
He’s done for.

Last edited 3 years ago by fjtorres
myartman
3 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

Nothing is ‘proven’ but having sex with an unconscious person precludes consent and therefore qualifies for the legal standard for rape.

fjtorres
3 years ago
Reply to  myartman

Which claim? Ohio?
California looked at the claims there and passed.

Proven or not, the open allegations only add to his untouchable aura.

fjtorres
3 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

And indeed, the Dodgers waited until the last minute, late on a friday, to quietly DFA him:

“The Dodgers organization believes that allegations of sexual assault or domestic violence should be thoroughly investigated, with due process given to the accused,” the team said in a statement Friday. “From the beginning, we have fully cooperated with Major League Baseball’s investigation and strictly followed the process stipulated under MLB’s Joint Domestic Violence, Sexual Assault and Child Abuse Policy.

“Two extensive reviews of all the available evidence in this case — one by Commissioner Manfred and another by a neutral arbitrator — concluded that Mr. Bauer’s actions warranted the longest ever active player suspension in our sport for violations of this policy. Now that this process has been completed, and after careful consideration, we have decided that he will no longer be part of our organization.”

Last edited 3 years ago by fjtorres
jtricheyMember since 2021
3 years ago

I am always surprised to not see the other ramifications of going over the tax line which is worse draft positioning and other talent acquisition hits. I’m certain the LA front office cares about that aspect nearly as much as the money aspect.

sbf21
3 years ago

First off, I believe that the Astros may argue, rightfully, with the assertion that the Dodgers are the only team with a claim to being a dynasty. And I’m a Yankees fan so I harbor no warm and fuzzy feelings for Houston.

It also felt like a sort of dishonest cheap trick to say that the Yankees lost 20.8 WAR to free agency. It you resign your players they weren’t lost.

Lastly, I’d be surprised if the Dodgers were able to resurrect Syndergaard.

Last edited 3 years ago by sbf21
raregokusMember since 2022
3 years ago
Reply to  sbf21

He talks about tallying up “lost” WAR in this way in the article. It seems very pedantic to get mad about a writer characterizing “WAR from current free agents” as lost, mostly because of you look one column over, he takes retained free agents into account.

Jason BMember since 2017
3 years ago
Reply to  raregokus

It all works out the same in the end, but I thought the same as the original poster – I wouldn’t have counted players that re-signed in either column as they were never really lost, insofar as they played zero games and accrued zero time with other teams.

(Sure they could have been lost…but they weren’t.)

BruceMember since 2018
3 years ago

I love my scrappy underdog Dodgers.