2023 ZiPS Projections: Los Angeles Dodgers

For the 18th consecutive season, the ZiPS projection system is unleashing a full set of prognostications. For more information on the ZiPS projections, please consult this year’s introduction and MLB’s glossary entry. The team order is selected by lot, and the next team up is the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Batters

There are certainly some weaker spots in the Dodgers’ offense, and a bit less depth than usual, but like the Astros, as long as the top tier of the offense stays relatively intact, this group will still score a serious number of runs. Freddie Freeman, Will Smith, and Mookie Betts remain in the ultra-elite at their positions, and woe be unto anyone that underestimates these players. Gavin Lux, Chris Taylor, Miguel Vargas, and various fill-ins are also solid parts of the lineup. ZiPS is relatively bullish at DH; it sees J.D. Martinez as having a little more left in him, and Smith filling in doesn’t hurt given his potent bat and the fact that Los Angeles has one of the best backup catchers around in Austin Barnes.

Where ZiPS remains concerned is the non-Mookie outfield positions. Trayce Thompson did terrific work in 2022, and there’s a lot to like about James Outman, but ZiPS is definitely not sold on them necessarily being plan Bs. The LF/CF mix of Thompson, Outman, leftover infielders, Jason Heyward, and a dash of JDM and maybe Bradley Zimmer feels a lot more like the backup plan rather than the one you start April with. It really feels like there should have been a big offseason addition at at least one of these positions.

In the high minors, the Dodgers have their usual array of Interesting Dudes, with ZiPS being especially intrigued by Jorbit Vivas and, to a lesser extent, Andy Pages. Outside of Diego Cartaya, it just doesn’t feel that there are as many huge-upside guys as there usually are, and the system feels a bit light there.

Pitchers

The mid-2023 return of Trevor Bauer has many non-baseball ramifications, but the reduction of his suspension has caused additional payroll complications for the Dodgers. While it seems likely (though I don’t think it’s a certainty) that the team will release him, it will still be responsible for the salary that gets added to the books. Pretty much every exciting starting pitcher is signed now, and Walker Buehler will return in 2024 with a worse projection than the one listed above. The rotation remains quite solid, though it feels a little short of veteran fill-ins should the need arise. ZiPS, however, is optimistic — and Steamer generally agrees — about Bobby Miller and Gavin Stone both becoming the next surprisingly polished plug-in pitching prospects for the team.

The Dodgers may have the least exciting good bullpen in baseball. I don’t mean that in a bad way; just like there’s no ultra-elite pitcher to take the ninth inning, there also isn’t one that’s likely to have grand late-inning meltdowns of much entertainment (for non-Dodgers fans). Shelby Miller comes closest, but assuming he’s in the ‘pen, I’d be surprised if he pitched many high-leverage innings. The relief corps is deep, and ZiPS likes the pool of talent available in the high minors. As I said, this is a good bullpen, just a rather undramatic one, even the hard throwers!

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Short of some major trade, the final preseason projections will probably have the Dodgers in a very tight race with the Padres; it will likely be the closest NL West race that ZiPS has forecast in some time, outside of 60-game seasons. But while the Dodgers have problems, with a bit of luck, they could easily win 105 games and lap the NL West.

Ballpark graphic courtesy Eephus League. Depth charts constructed by way of those listed here.

Batters – Standard
Player B Age PO PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS
Mookie Betts R 30 RF 616 538 111 145 32 3 29 89 66 97 12 3
Will Smith R 28 C 544 466 72 120 24 2 26 84 59 100 2 1
Freddie Freeman L 33 1B 655 569 105 167 33 2 27 107 77 101 9 2
Max Muncy L 32 3B 559 464 79 103 21 1 26 75 83 136 2 1
Miguel Vargas R 23 3B 582 521 86 138 28 2 17 79 50 105 9 3
Gavin Lux L 25 2B 515 461 74 120 20 5 11 65 50 107 7 2
James Outman L 26 RF 534 478 72 108 21 5 21 80 45 177 8 4
Jorbit Vivas L 22 2B 565 505 67 128 20 5 9 69 38 75 2 1
Andy Pages R 22 RF 574 510 65 115 26 2 24 80 46 174 3 2
J.D. Martinez R 35 DH 559 501 72 128 30 1 22 79 50 139 0 1
Austin Barnes R 33 C 248 215 33 50 10 0 7 32 26 53 2 1
Chris Taylor R 32 LF 471 415 59 97 23 3 14 61 47 147 9 1
Trayce Thompson R 32 LF 395 353 48 77 15 2 20 70 37 142 4 1
Michael Busch L 25 2B 570 504 81 116 29 0 22 86 52 172 2 2
Jacob Amaya R 24 SS 545 487 65 109 20 3 12 55 51 131 3 2
Jonny DeLuca R 24 RF 437 398 57 95 19 4 18 66 30 91 8 1
Jason Martin L 27 RF 475 429 63 100 19 3 21 74 41 126 5 4
Eddys Leonard R 22 SS 566 515 71 118 24 3 15 78 33 150 3 3
Kevin Pillar R 34 CF 369 342 51 86 17 2 14 56 17 67 5 3
Edwin Ríos L 29 3B 343 310 42 67 15 1 17 52 24 125 0 1
Yonny Hernandez B 25 2B 417 358 50 80 10 3 1 37 45 75 24 8
Tomás Telis B 32 C 348 325 34 86 11 1 5 37 19 45 1 1
Jason Heyward L 33 CF 358 320 39 74 14 2 9 38 33 72 4 1
Diego Cartaya R 21 C 430 377 57 81 17 1 18 67 39 142 0 1
Patrick Mazeika L 29 C 323 295 29 70 15 0 8 42 19 56 0 1
Devin Mann R 26 2B 462 410 51 92 22 2 13 58 40 117 2 2
Hanser Alberto R 30 2B 336 321 34 85 17 2 4 33 8 40 2 2
Steven Duggar L 29 CF 326 295 40 62 12 2 7 32 28 115 10 2
Bradley Zimmer L 30 CF 308 267 41 53 9 1 7 33 24 111 12 4
Drew Avans L 27 CF 449 403 64 92 15 6 7 57 39 128 21 5
Justin Yurchak L 26 1B 434 392 50 103 19 1 8 49 36 85 1 1
Stefen Romero R 34 RF 111 98 13 22 6 0 2 15 8 27 1 1
Ryan Ward L 25 LF 484 450 59 103 17 2 19 65 28 136 3 2
Yeiner Fernandez R 20 C 401 366 50 89 14 1 6 44 25 72 1 2
Josh Stowers R 26 CF 391 351 45 67 13 2 10 50 30 135 11 4
Jahmai Jones R 25 2B 418 378 45 82 15 3 8 51 32 105 6 4
Luis Yanel Diaz R 23 3B 396 368 47 78 13 4 13 52 21 152 11 5
Jose Ramos R 22 RF 520 475 61 103 21 4 18 71 34 189 2 1
Ty Kelly B 34 2B 167 152 16 31 5 1 1 12 13 47 1 1
Buddy Reed B 28 CF 258 234 26 46 9 1 4 26 18 93 8 3
Brandon Lewis R 24 1B 435 405 52 84 17 1 20 62 22 157 0 1
Ismael Alcantara R 24 CF 376 342 41 70 10 4 8 56 20 114 6 4
Hunter Feduccia L 26 C 336 304 38 69 15 1 10 43 29 91 0 1
Austin Gauthier R 24 SS 446 381 55 78 14 3 4 53 56 128 5 2
Aldrich De Jongh L 24 LF 236 218 25 45 8 2 5 28 16 80 2 1
Tony Wolters L 31 C 280 250 24 51 9 1 2 23 22 74 0 1
Imanol Vargas L 25 1B 423 377 46 76 13 2 15 66 41 162 2 1
Kody Hoese R 25 3B 310 290 29 62 11 1 5 32 15 87 1 1
Carson Taylor B 24 C 315 287 32 65 11 0 5 37 24 81 0 1
Kenneth Betancourt R 23 2B 364 341 42 76 16 1 2 28 18 83 3 2
Ryan January L 26 C 256 217 27 36 9 0 7 31 29 103 0 1
Omar Estévez R 25 DH 359 330 37 72 16 0 6 34 24 99 0 1
Hamlet Marte R 29 DH 196 180 12 30 5 1 2 16 13 85 1 1

Batters – Advanced
Player PA BA OBP SLG OPS+ ISO BABIP Def WAR wOBA
Mookie Betts 616 .270 .354 .502 130 .232 .282 8 4.6 .365
Will Smith 544 .258 .351 .485 125 .227 .276 3 4.6 .356
Freddie Freeman 655 .293 .382 .501 138 .207 .317 0 4.3 .374
Max Muncy 559 .222 .347 .440 113 .218 .255 -2 2.9 .342
Miguel Vargas 582 .265 .333 .424 105 .159 .303 -1 2.6 .328
Gavin Lux 515 .260 .332 .397 98 .137 .318 2 2.2 .318
James Outman 534 .226 .303 .423 95 .197 .311 10 1.9 .314
Jorbit Vivas 565 .253 .326 .366 89 .113 .283 2 1.7 .305
Andy Pages 574 .225 .305 .425 96 .200 .292 5 1.6 .315
J.D. Martinez 559 .255 .326 .451 109 .196 .312 0 1.5 .332
Austin Barnes 248 .233 .325 .377 91 .144 .277 5 1.5 .309
Chris Taylor 471 .234 .318 .405 96 .171 .327 4 1.4 .314
Trayce Thompson 395 .218 .299 .442 98 .224 .298 5 1.4 .318
Michael Busch 570 .230 .312 .419 97 .188 .303 -8 1.3 .318
Jacob Amaya 545 .224 .299 .351 77 .127 .282 2 1.2 .287
Jonny DeLuca 437 .239 .300 .442 99 .204 .266 1 1.1 .318
Jason Martin 475 .233 .300 .438 98 .205 .280 3 1.1 .317
Eddys Leonard 566 .229 .295 .375 81 .146 .294 -2 1.1 .294
Kevin Pillar 369 .251 .298 .436 97 .184 .276 -2 1.0 .314
Edwin Ríos 343 .216 .283 .435 92 .219 .298 0 0.8 .306
Yonny Hernandez 417 .223 .324 .277 67 .053 .280 4 0.7 .278
Tomás Telis 348 .265 .310 .351 80 .086 .295 -2 0.7 .291
Jason Heyward 358 .231 .310 .372 85 .141 .272 -2 0.6 .298
Diego Cartaya 430 .215 .309 .408 94 .194 .290 -12 0.6 .312
Patrick Mazeika 323 .237 .295 .369 80 .132 .268 -4 0.4 .291
Devin Mann 462 .224 .303 .383 86 .159 .282 -6 0.4 .300
Hanser Alberto 336 .265 .287 .368 77 .103 .292 1 0.3 .283
Steven Duggar 326 .210 .282 .336 71 .125 .318 2 0.3 .272
Bradley Zimmer 308 .199 .296 .318 68 .120 .309 -1 0.1 .278
Drew Avans 449 .228 .302 .347 77 .119 .317 -7 0.0 .287
Justin Yurchak 434 .263 .327 .378 92 .115 .318 -4 0.0 .310
Stefen Romero 111 .224 .297 .347 75 .122 .290 0 -0.1 .284
Ryan Ward 484 .229 .279 .402 83 .173 .285 -2 -0.2 .293
Yeiner Fernandez 401 .243 .304 .336 75 .093 .288 -10 -0.3 .284
Josh Stowers 391 .191 .267 .325 60 .134 .277 0 -0.3 .262
Jahmai Jones 418 .217 .285 .336 69 .119 .279 -3 -0.3 .274
Luis Yanel Diaz 396 .212 .261 .375 71 .163 .320 -3 -0.3 .275
Jose Ramos 520 .217 .279 .392 80 .175 .317 -3 -0.4 .290
Ty Kelly 167 .204 .269 .270 48 .066 .288 0 -0.5 .243
Buddy Reed 258 .197 .258 .295 50 .098 .307 1 -0.5 .244
Brandon Lewis 435 .207 .257 .402 76 .195 .281 1 -0.5 .282
Ismael Alcantara 376 .205 .264 .327 60 .123 .282 -1 -0.5 .261
Hunter Feduccia 336 .227 .295 .382 83 .155 .291 -15 -0.6 .295
Austin Gauthier 446 .205 .314 .289 66 .084 .297 -11 -0.6 .277
Aldrich De Jongh 236 .206 .263 .330 60 .124 .301 1 -0.6 .258
Tony Wolters 280 .204 .280 .272 52 .068 .282 -4 -0.7 .249
Imanol Vargas 423 .202 .286 .366 76 .164 .305 -3 -0.7 .287
Kody Hoese 310 .214 .255 .310 53 .097 .288 0 -0.7 .248
Carson Taylor 315 .226 .289 .317 65 .091 .299 -11 -0.9 .270
Kenneth Betancourt 364 .223 .262 .293 52 .070 .289 -2 -1.0 .246
Ryan January 256 .166 .289 .304 62 .138 .271 -13 -1.1 .271
Omar Estévez 359 .218 .273 .321 61 .103 .293 0 -1.1 .262
Hamlet Marte 196 .167 .224 .239 27 .072 .301 0 -1.5 .209

Batters – Top Near-Age Offensive Comps
Player Hit Comp 1 Hit Comp 2 Hit Comp 3
Mookie Betts Joe Judge Ryan Klesko Billy Williams
Will Smith Roy Campanella Mickey Cochrane Bill Freehan
Freddie Freeman Keith Hernandez Augie Galan Paul Waner
Max Muncy Darrell Evans Harlond Clift Hank Thompson
Miguel Vargas Kevin Young Pete Ward Edgardo Alfonzo
Gavin Lux Jack Perconte Lou Whitaker Abraham Toro
James Outman Corey Brown Curtis Granderson Ricky Ledee
Jorbit Vivas Bill Oplinger Ruben Tejada John Skorochocki
Andy Pages Cody Bellinger Shawn Gallagher Deron Johnson
J.D. Martinez Joe Brovia Kevin Millar Derrek Lee
Austin Barnes Sal Butera Hal Wagner Marv Foley
Chris Taylor Fred Lewis Steve Henderson Carroll Hardy
Trayce Thompson Colby Rasmus Chet Laabs Ron Gant
Michael Busch Alex Gordon Andre Rodgers Jim Lefebvre
Jacob Amaya Sam Khalifa Dave Berg Ramon Vazquez
Jonny DeLuca Walt Bond Roy Foster Barry Jones
Jason Martin Tuffy Rhodes Colby Rasmus Dwayne Hosey
Eddys Leonard Jhonny Peralta Jake Lemmerman Fritz Brickell
Kevin Pillar Carl Reynolds Jack Tobin Jody Gerut
Edwin Ríos Juan Francisco Brandon Larson Zach Green
Yonny Hernandez Callix Crabbe Julio Cruz Terrence Freeman
Tomás Telis Dave Ricketts Jamie Burke Hal Naragon
Jason Heyward Mike Huff Bill Tuttle Stu Pederson
Diego Cartaya Justin Huber Ozzie Virgil Tom Egan
Patrick Mazeika Lavern Grace Rene Friol Randy Gomez
Devin Mann John Powers Corban Joseph Alex Blandino
Hanser Alberto Mario Diaz Gus Polidor Emil Verban
Steven Duggar Chris Powell Darnell Sweeney Sebastien Boucher
Bradley Zimmer Chris Powell Sebastien Boucher Glen Barker
Drew Avans Ed Stroud Xavier Avery John Andreoli
Justin Yurchak Francisco Melendez Phil Trombino Donald Anderson
Stefen Romero Jim Wohlford Jon Weber Lou Merloni
Ryan Ward Jason Felice Craig Brazell Brennan Boesch
Yeiner Fernandez Mike Lieberthal Ramon Cabrera Yadier Molina
Josh Stowers Josh Burrus Travis Becktel Steve Martin
Jahmai Jones Brian Friday Rich Amaral Kirk Mendenhall
Luis Yanel Diaz Phil Hiatt Chico Vaughns Ridge Hoopii-Haslam
Jose Ramos Mike Vail Pete Tucci Mike Stellern
Ty Kelly Neil Berry Cliff Pennington Tripp Cromer
Buddy Reed Carroll Hardy Bobby Andrews Trey Martin
Brandon Lewis Tary Scott Joe Zagarino Matt Rose
Ismael Alcantara Claudio Ozoria Kuo Hui Lo Steve Martin
Hunter Feduccia Jed Morris Mike Martin Henry Blanco
Austin Gauthier Brian Grebeck Dave Corman Scott Wingo
Aldrich De Jongh John Johnson Taylor Kohlwey Dickens Benoit
Tony Wolters Paul Bako Ray Lamanno Emerson Frostad
Imanol Vargas Eric Crozier Evan Edwards Billy Max
Kody Hoese Layne Lambert Juan Villanueva Jonathan Laureano
Carson Taylor Joe Azcue Lloyd Flodin Frank Colston
Kenneth Betancourt Dan Adams Luis Gonzalez Chris Miyake
Ryan January Jose Fernandez Virgil Bernhardt Darren Daulton
Omar Estévez Brad Haynal Nick Salotti Jerry Kudajeski
Hamlet Marte Aaron Brill Zach Welz Malcolm Cepeda

Batters – 80th/20th Percentiles
Player 80th BA 80th OBP 80th SLG 80th OPS+ 80th WAR 20th BA 20th OBP 20th SLG 20th OPS+ 20th WAR
Mookie Betts .291 .375 .563 148 5.8 .250 .332 .461 114 3.2
Will Smith .282 .377 .541 145 5.9 .234 .325 .432 106 3.3
Freddie Freeman .316 .405 .553 155 5.7 .268 .359 .457 121 2.7
Max Muncy .244 .369 .497 133 4.1 .197 .321 .374 92 1.6
Miguel Vargas .291 .362 .482 127 4.2 .241 .310 .378 90 1.4
Gavin Lux .283 .358 .444 117 3.5 .235 .301 .351 80 1.0
James Outman .252 .329 .487 120 3.5 .200 .276 .363 75 0.5
Jorbit Vivas .284 .353 .413 106 2.9 .226 .298 .325 71 0.4
Andy Pages .251 .331 .476 115 3.0 .199 .279 .373 78 0.2
J.D. Martinez .279 .351 .503 127 2.8 .228 .302 .402 90 0.2
Austin Barnes .259 .353 .433 112 2.1 .204 .297 .322 71 0.9
Chris Taylor .257 .340 .454 114 2.4 .208 .289 .350 76 0.3
Trayce Thompson .244 .321 .499 119 2.4 .192 .272 .370 74 0.2
Michael Busch .255 .336 .476 113 2.4 .208 .288 .368 77 -0.1
Jacob Amaya .250 .325 .398 95 2.4 .200 .274 .309 59 0.1
Jonny DeLuca .265 .327 .510 122 2.4 .212 .276 .387 79 0.1
Jason Martin .258 .323 .501 119 2.4 .207 .272 .389 79 0.1
Eddys Leonard .255 .322 .434 102 2.6 .206 .275 .335 65 0.0
Kevin Pillar .276 .322 .488 116 1.8 .224 .274 .384 78 0.1
Edwin Ríos .242 .306 .504 114 1.8 .191 .259 .384 74 0.1
Yonny Hernandez .245 .351 .306 80 1.5 .195 .296 .245 51 -0.2
Tomás Telis .291 .335 .391 96 1.4 .235 .284 .313 63 0.0
Jason Heyward .259 .340 .434 106 1.5 .205 .286 .324 66 -0.3
Diego Cartaya .246 .341 .485 119 1.9 .185 .279 .344 69 -0.7
Patrick Mazeika .275 .332 .437 106 1.4 .206 .265 .318 60 -0.4
Devin Mann .246 .326 .432 103 1.3 .198 .281 .339 68 -0.7
Hanser Alberto .299 .318 .412 95 1.1 .238 .260 .325 58 -0.6
Steven Duggar .238 .312 .385 91 1.0 .184 .254 .294 51 -0.6
Bradley Zimmer .228 .329 .374 90 0.9 .174 .272 .275 51 -0.6
Drew Avans .255 .325 .394 95 1.1 .203 .274 .299 57 -1.1
Justin Yurchak .289 .355 .420 108 0.9 .233 .298 .337 74 -1.0
Stefen Romero .253 .323 .405 95 0.2 .199 .270 .302 56 -0.4
Ryan Ward .255 .304 .459 103 1.1 .205 .254 .349 63 -1.5
Yeiner Fernandez .274 .330 .378 92 0.6 .219 .277 .296 57 -1.2
Josh Stowers .218 .295 .373 80 0.6 .167 .241 .287 44 -1.1
Jahmai Jones .243 .311 .387 87 0.7 .194 .262 .302 53 -1.1
Luis Yanel Diaz .238 .287 .428 92 0.8 .186 .234 .320 50 -1.4
Jose Ramos .241 .307 .451 103 1.0 .192 .255 .347 63 -1.6
Ty Kelly .237 .301 .316 67 -0.1 .173 .240 .231 31 -0.8
Buddy Reed .225 .286 .339 69 0.1 .170 .231 .257 34 -1.0
Brandon Lewis .229 .279 .455 94 0.5 .178 .231 .352 56 -1.7
Ismael Alcantara .235 .293 .373 80 0.4 .183 .241 .282 44 -1.3
Hunter Feduccia .256 .324 .438 104 0.3 .198 .267 .325 61 -1.5
Austin Gauthier .230 .338 .334 81 0.2 .183 .290 .256 51 -1.5
Aldrich De Jongh .233 .289 .382 80 0.0 .178 .239 .280 43 -1.1
Tony Wolters .236 .311 .314 71 0.0 .175 .243 .233 35 -1.3
Imanol Vargas .229 .313 .419 94 0.3 .174 .255 .311 54 -1.9
Kody Hoese .242 .281 .357 71 0.0 .187 .226 .272 36 -1.4
Carson Taylor .256 .317 .360 83 -0.1 .196 .264 .275 48 -1.6
Kenneth Betancourt .248 .288 .328 66 -0.3 .198 .238 .262 38 -1.7
Ryan January .194 .321 .364 84 -0.4 .136 .259 .243 40 -1.8
Omar Estévez .245 .298 .368 79 -0.3 .192 .243 .280 43 -2.0
Hamlet Marte .197 .251 .283 46 -1.0 .144 .197 .202 10 -1.9

Pitchers – Standard
Player T Age W L ERA G GS IP H ER HR BB SO
Julio Urías L 26 15 7 3.19 30 28 163.7 138 58 19 35 158
Evan Phillips R 28 6 2 3.20 55 0 56.3 44 20 5 21 67
Clayton Kershaw L 35 10 5 3.26 22 22 121.3 107 44 17 25 129
Walker Buehler R 28 10 5 3.29 24 24 145.0 123 53 16 33 143
Caleb Ferguson L 26 2 1 3.31 54 3 51.7 42 19 5 21 58
Brusdar Graterol R 24 5 3 3.36 50 2 56.3 49 21 5 15 54
Blake Treinen R 35 5 3 3.40 47 0 47.7 40 18 5 17 50
Alex Vesia L 27 4 2 3.41 59 0 58.0 42 22 8 24 80
Tony Gonsolin R 29 10 5 3.54 24 23 112.0 94 44 14 37 105
Dustin May R 25 6 3 3.55 20 17 83.7 70 33 10 25 88
Phil Bickford R 27 3 1 3.56 60 0 60.7 51 24 9 16 67
J.P. Feyereisen R 30 5 3 3.59 44 1 47.7 39 19 7 21 53
Noah Syndergaard R 30 11 7 3.71 25 24 140.7 141 58 17 32 113
Yency Almonte R 29 2 0 3.78 46 0 50.0 42 21 6 19 53
Nick Robertson R 24 3 1 3.86 47 2 63.0 59 27 8 23 63
Darien Núñez L 30 3 2 3.89 28 1 41.7 35 18 7 18 55
Daniel Hudson R 36 4 3 3.96 40 0 38.7 35 17 7 13 45
Sam Gaviglio 가빌리오 R 33 4 3 4.04 20 6 62.3 61 28 8 19 51
Danny Duffy L 34 5 3 4.05 16 15 80.0 74 36 13 29 81
Gavin Stone R 24 7 5 4.08 24 23 106.0 99 48 14 36 103
Daniel Zamora L 30 3 3 4.10 43 1 52.7 50 24 6 23 52
Bobby Miller R 24 7 5 4.13 23 21 100.3 94 46 12 30 82
Landon Knack R 25 7 4 4.16 18 18 67.0 65 31 8 27 58
Justin Bruihl L 26 3 3 4.17 46 1 54.0 52 25 7 20 41
Trevor Bauer R 32 7 6 4.19 17 17 109.7 95 51 20 42 123
Victor González L 27 3 2 4.20 36 5 49.3 48 23 7 20 46
Ryan Pepiot R 25 7 5 4.21 26 22 109.0 95 51 17 49 119
Justin Hagenman R 26 5 3 4.28 40 2 61.0 60 29 9 19 54
Jake Reed R 30 2 2 4.30 35 1 44.0 42 21 5 17 41
Marshall Kasowski R 28 1 1 4.30 41 1 44.0 39 21 6 28 50
Carlo Reyes R 24 3 3 4.31 31 5 56.3 58 27 9 18 45
Nick Nastrini R 23 5 5 4.32 26 26 106.3 94 51 17 53 120
Carson Fulmer R 29 5 4 4.33 46 1 54.0 48 26 6 31 53
Pedro Báez R 35 2 2 4.35 33 2 31.0 30 15 4 13 24
Jimmy Nelson R 34 2 2 4.36 18 3 33.0 28 16 4 22 42
Emmet Sheehan R 23 6 5 4.42 24 16 75.3 69 37 10 37 70
Adam Kolarek L 34 2 2 4.44 46 0 46.7 48 23 5 19 32
Bryan Hudson L 26 4 3 4.44 33 1 52.7 51 26 8 23 51
Keegan Curtis R 27 5 4 4.46 30 2 38.3 38 19 5 15 34
Adolfo Ramirez R 24 3 2 4.50 21 3 56.0 55 28 10 19 55
Jose Adames R 30 3 2 4.50 35 0 40.0 34 20 5 29 48
Yefry Ramírez 라미레즈 R 29 3 3 4.52 19 13 71.7 72 36 10 32 62
Hansel Robles R 32 2 3 4.99 51 1 48.7 48 27 7 24 45
Michael Grove R 26 3 3 4.59 23 20 86.3 86 44 15 35 85
Jordan Leasure R 24 2 2 4.59 44 0 51.0 49 26 8 21 43
Shelby Miller R 32 3 3 4.62 33 4 50.7 48 26 8 23 54
Kyle Hurt R 25 6 4 4.70 22 16 61.3 55 32 9 38 66
Mark Washington R 27 3 3 4.71 37 1 49.7 50 26 8 24 43
Lael Lockhart L 25 3 3 4.74 24 14 95.0 99 50 15 41 72
Andre Jackson R 27 4 5 4.82 23 18 84.0 84 45 14 47 77
Yadier Álvarez R 27 2 2 4.84 20 0 22.3 23 12 3 13 18
Aaron Ochsenbein R 27 3 2 4.85 31 1 39.0 39 21 7 16 35
Keone Kela R 30 2 2 4.88 30 1 27.7 26 15 5 16 28
Robbie Erlin L 32 3 3 4.93 23 10 65.7 76 36 11 26 50
James Jones L 34 2 1 4.97 26 0 29.0 27 16 5 17 31
Beau Burrows R 26 6 5 4.98 26 13 85.0 88 47 13 43 69
Jon Duplantier R 28 3 4 4.98 28 13 77.7 76 43 12 44 76
Alec Gamboa L 26 6 6 5.03 25 6 73.3 79 41 12 35 52
Heath Hembree R 34 3 3 5.05 39 0 35.7 35 20 8 16 38
Dellin Betances R 35 1 1 5.14 15 4 14.0 13 8 1 9 12
Logan Salow L 28 1 2 5.18 34 1 40.0 35 23 6 32 45
Kendall Williams R 22 4 4 5.22 25 22 98.3 110 57 18 42 67
John Rooney L 26 4 5 5.24 20 15 79.0 83 46 14 40 67
Tanner Dodson R 26 2 2 5.26 29 1 37.7 40 22 5 24 29
Jose Martinez R 24 4 4 5.26 26 7 65.0 74 38 11 28 39
Jake Cantleberry L 25 2 3 5.40 30 0 38.3 39 23 7 25 35
Cole Percival R 24 2 3 5.48 31 5 65.7 70 40 11 41 47
Dakota Chalmers R 26 2 2 5.79 15 11 42.0 42 27 8 34 40
Bobby Wahl R 31 0 1 6.00 15 0 12.0 13 8 3 11 13

Pitchers – Advanced
Player IP K/9 BB/9 HR/9 BB% K% BABIP ERA+ FIP ERA- WAR
Julio Urías 163.7 8.7 1.9 1.0 5.4% 24.2% .270 130 3.48 77 3.8
Evan Phillips 56.3 10.7 3.4 0.8 9.0% 28.6% .283 130 3.26 77 0.9
Clayton Kershaw 121.3 9.6 1.9 1.3 5.1% 26.2% .284 127 3.52 79 2.7
Walker Buehler 145.0 8.9 2.0 1.0 5.7% 24.5% .275 126 3.40 79 3.2
Caleb Ferguson 51.7 10.1 3.7 0.9 9.7% 26.9% .282 126 3.62 80 0.7
Brusdar Graterol 56.3 8.6 2.4 0.8 6.5% 23.3% .284 124 3.46 81 0.9
Blake Treinen 47.7 9.4 3.2 0.9 8.5% 25.1% .280 122 3.61 82 0.7
Alex Vesia 58.0 12.4 3.7 1.2 10.1% 33.6% .272 122 3.58 82 0.8
Tony Gonsolin 112.0 8.4 3.0 1.1 8.0% 22.6% .264 118 3.97 85 2.2
Dustin May 83.7 9.5 2.7 1.1 7.3% 25.7% .276 117 3.79 85 1.6
Phil Bickford 60.7 9.9 2.4 1.3 6.5% 27.3% .275 117 3.76 86 0.6
J.P. Feyereisen 47.7 10.0 4.0 1.3 10.4% 26.4% .269 116 4.16 86 0.6
Noah Syndergaard 140.7 7.2 2.0 1.1 5.5% 19.3% .294 112 3.89 89 2.5
Yency Almonte 50.0 9.5 3.4 1.1 9.0% 25.2% .277 110 3.91 91 0.4
Nick Robertson 63.0 9.0 3.3 1.1 8.5% 23.2% .295 108 4.04 93 0.6
Darien Núñez 41.7 11.9 3.9 1.5 10.1% 30.7% .292 107 4.07 94 0.4
Daniel Hudson 38.7 10.5 3.0 1.6 7.9% 27.4% .289 105 4.34 95 0.3
Sam Gaviglio 62.3 7.4 2.7 1.2 7.2% 19.3% .288 103 4.24 97 0.7
Danny Duffy 80.0 9.1 3.3 1.5 8.5% 23.8% .284 103 4.48 97 1.1
Gavin Stone 106.0 8.7 3.1 1.2 8.0% 22.8% .290 102 4.00 98 1.6
Daniel Zamora 52.7 8.9 3.9 1.0 10.0% 22.7% .301 101 4.08 99 0.3
Bobby Miller 100.3 7.4 2.7 1.1 7.1% 19.4% .279 101 4.21 99 1.4
Landon Knack 67.0 7.8 3.6 1.1 9.3% 20.1% .292 100 4.27 100 0.9
Justin Bruihl 54.0 6.8 3.3 1.2 8.6% 17.6% .278 100 4.65 100 0.2
Trevor Bauer 109.7 10.1 3.4 1.6 9.1% 26.6% .274 99 4.62 101 1.4
Victor González 49.3 8.4 3.6 1.3 9.3% 21.3% .293 99 4.53 101 0.5
Ryan Pepiot 109.0 9.8 4.0 1.4 10.4% 25.3% .280 99 4.59 101 1.4
Justin Hagenman 61.0 8.0 2.8 1.3 7.3% 20.7% .290 97 4.43 103 0.3
Jake Reed 44.0 8.4 3.5 1.0 8.9% 21.5% .296 97 4.27 103 0.2
Marshall Kasowski 44.0 10.2 5.7 1.2 14.1% 25.3% .295 97 4.63 103 0.2
Carlo Reyes 56.3 7.2 2.9 1.4 7.4% 18.6% .290 96 4.64 104 0.5
Nick Nastrini 106.3 10.2 4.5 1.4 11.3% 25.6% .286 96 4.64 104 1.2
Carson Fulmer 54.0 8.8 5.2 1.0 12.8% 21.8% .286 96 4.52 104 0.2
Pedro Báez 31.0 7.0 3.8 1.2 9.7% 17.9% .280 95 4.64 105 0.2
Jimmy Nelson 33.0 11.5 6.0 1.1 14.6% 27.8% .304 95 4.46 105 0.3
Emmet Sheehan 75.3 8.4 4.4 1.2 11.2% 21.3% .281 94 4.65 106 0.8
Adam Kolarek 46.7 6.2 3.7 1.0 9.3% 15.6% .293 94 4.78 107 0.0
Bryan Hudson 52.7 8.7 3.9 1.4 10.0% 22.1% .295 94 4.67 107 0.1
Keegan Curtis 38.3 8.0 3.5 1.2 9.0% 20.4% .297 93 4.48 107 0.2
Adolfo Ramirez 56.0 8.8 3.1 1.6 7.8% 22.6% .292 92 4.74 108 0.3
Jose Adames 40.0 10.8 6.5 1.1 15.3% 25.4% .293 92 4.93 108 0.0
Yefry Ramírez 71.7 7.8 4.0 1.3 10.1% 19.5% .295 92 4.79 109 0.6
Hansel Robles 48.7 8.3 4.4 1.3 11.1% 20.7% .295 90 4.78 111 0.0
Michael Grove 86.3 8.9 3.6 1.6 9.1% 22.2% .297 91 4.69 110 0.8
Jordan Leasure 51.0 7.6 3.7 1.4 9.5% 19.5% .279 91 4.74 110 -0.1
Shelby Miller 50.7 9.6 4.1 1.4 10.4% 24.3% .296 90 4.55 111 0.2
Kyle Hurt 61.3 9.7 5.6 1.3 13.5% 23.5% .288 89 5.01 113 0.4
Mark Washington 49.7 7.8 4.3 1.4 10.8% 19.4% .292 88 5.15 113 -0.1
Lael Lockhart 95.0 6.8 3.9 1.4 9.7% 17.1% .290 88 5.05 114 0.6
Andre Jackson 84.0 8.3 5.0 1.5 12.2% 20.1% .293 86 5.27 116 0.5
Yadier Álvarez 22.3 7.3 5.2 1.2 12.3% 17.0% .299 86 5.30 116 -0.1
Aaron Ochsenbein 39.0 8.1 3.7 1.6 9.3% 20.3% .288 86 5.00 117 -0.1
Keone Kela 27.7 9.1 5.2 1.6 12.9% 22.6% .284 85 5.21 117 0.0
Robbie Erlin 65.7 6.9 3.6 1.5 8.7% 16.8% .314 84 5.13 119 0.2
James Jones 29.0 9.6 5.3 1.6 12.9% 23.5% .289 84 5.43 119 -0.2
Beau Burrows 85.0 7.3 4.6 1.4 11.2% 18.0% .294 84 5.21 120 0.3
Jon Duplantier 77.7 8.8 5.1 1.4 12.5% 21.6% .296 83 5.17 120 0.2
Alec Gamboa 73.3 6.4 4.3 1.5 10.5% 15.6% .293 83 5.42 121 0.0
Heath Hembree 35.7 9.6 4.0 2.0 10.2% 24.2% .287 82 5.37 121 -0.2
Dellin Betances 14.0 7.7 5.8 0.6 13.8% 18.5% .293 81 5.15 124 0.0
Logan Salow 40.0 10.1 7.2 1.4 16.8% 23.6% .287 80 5.55 125 -0.2
Kendall Williams 98.3 6.1 3.8 1.6 9.4% 15.0% .295 80 5.57 126 0.2
John Rooney 79.0 7.6 4.6 1.6 11.2% 18.7% .296 79 5.51 126 0.1
Tanner Dodson 37.7 6.9 5.7 1.2 13.5% 16.3% .302 79 5.49 126 -0.2
Jose Martinez 65.0 5.4 3.9 1.5 9.5% 13.2% .294 79 5.72 127 -0.1
Jake Cantleberry 38.3 8.2 5.9 1.6 14.0% 19.6% .294 77 5.74 130 -0.4
Cole Percival 65.7 6.4 5.6 1.5 13.4% 15.3% .289 76 6.00 132 -0.3
Dakota Chalmers 42.0 8.6 7.3 1.7 16.8% 19.8% .291 72 6.37 139 -0.2
Bobby Wahl 12.0 9.8 8.3 2.3 18.0% 21.3% .313 69 6.99 144 -0.3

Pitchers – Top Near-Age Comps and Percentiles
Player Pit Comp 1 Pit Comp 2 Pit Comp 3 80th WAR 20th WAR 80th ERA 20th ERA
Julio Urías Ken Holtzman Tom Glavine Vida Blue 4.6 2.8 2.80 3.71
Evan Phillips Manny Delcarmen Jason Isringhausen Jeff Nelson 1.5 0.2 2.40 4.43
Clayton Kershaw Harry Brecheen Cliff Lee Jerry Reuss 3.5 1.8 2.69 4.15
Walker Buehler Jordan Zimmermann Steve Rogers Josh Johnson 4.0 2.2 2.80 3.89
Caleb Ferguson Scott Radinsky Bob McClure Kent Mercker 1.1 0.2 2.66 4.21
Brusdar Graterol Milt Hill Alan Guerrero Brad Clontz 1.3 0.4 2.78 4.12
Blake Treinen Fernando Rodney Pedro Strop Roberto Hernandez 1.3 0.1 2.52 4.46
Alex Vesia Kevin Siegrist Kent Mercker Jesse Orosco 1.4 0.1 2.59 4.69
Tony Gonsolin Clay Buchholz Mort Cooper Elmer Riddle 2.9 1.3 3.02 4.27
Dustin May Michael Pineda Bart Johnson Griffin Canning 2.2 1.0 2.93 4.09
Phil Bickford Danny Barnes Justin Speier Silvino Bracho 1.1 -0.1 2.90 4.71
J.P. Feyereisen Rich Garces Eddie Watt Evan Meek 에반 1.0 0.0 2.87 4.76
Noah Syndergaard Jordan Zimmermann Miles Mikolas Ivan Nova 3.2 1.6 3.33 4.21
Yency Almonte Marvin Freeman Justin Miller Aurelio Monteagudo 0.8 -0.1 3.16 4.61
Nick Robertson Juan Arias Randy Moffitt Leo Medrano 1.1 0.1 3.30 4.49
Darien Núñez Mark Lukasiewicz Nick Hagadone Yorkis Perez 0.9 -0.1 3.00 5.13
Daniel Hudson Jay Howell Hoyt Wilhelm Tom Henke 0.7 -0.3 2.66 5.71
Sam Gaviglio Dave Hillman Reggie Cleveland Russ Kemmerer 1.2 0.3 3.44 4.68
Danny Duffy Al Downing Ed Brandt Mel Parnell 1.6 0.4 3.53 4.81
Gavin Stone Tom Dukes Brad Rigby Esmil Rogers 로저스 2.3 0.7 3.52 4.80
Daniel Zamora Cesar Jimenez Dennis Miscik Fred Kipp 0.8 -0.2 3.40 5.08
Bobby Miller Jordan Lyles Bob Forsch Geremi Gonzalez 2.0 0.7 3.67 4.69
Landon Knack Pat Darcy Len Clendenin Mark Hutton 1.2 0.4 3.79 4.76
Justin Bruihl Mike Davey Sam Moll Brad Wheeler 0.6 -0.2 3.62 4.80
Trevor Bauer Sonny Siebert Tex Carleton Yu Darvish 2.0 0.6 3.64 4.87
Victor González Efrain Valdez 발데스 Scott Alexander Ray King 0.9 0.1 3.58 4.92
Ryan Pepiot Mudcat Grant Darryl Kile A.J. Burnett 2.2 0.5 3.71 4.86
Justin Hagenman Darrell Whitaker Jeff Gray Jack Hardy 0.9 -0.1 3.55 4.89
Jake Reed Kevin Campbell Randy Scarbery Salvador Garibay 0.6 -0.2 3.54 5.22
Marshall Kasowski Mike Cook Mike Butcher Ryan Garton 0.5 -0.4 3.68 5.42
Carlo Reyes John Littlefield Brian Smith Ryan Larson 0.9 0.1 3.73 4.84
Nick Nastrini Scott Scudder Dan Spillner Matt Magill 2.1 0.0 3.73 5.26
Carson Fulmer Ruddy Lugo Steve Grilli Jim Rittwage 0.7 -0.3 3.65 5.05
Pedro Báez Dan Osinski Hal Haid Jack Russell 0.4 -0.1 3.60 5.32
Jimmy Nelson Roger Nelson Bill Zuber Matt Hammons 0.6 -0.2 3.42 5.72
Emmet Sheehan John Travis Gerald Herron Jim Nelson 1.4 0.1 3.92 5.14
Adam Kolarek Juan Agosto Brian Duensing Lee Guetterman 0.3 -0.4 3.85 5.14
Bryan Hudson Kirby Snead Don Florence Jason Pearson 0.5 -0.3 3.81 5.17
Keegan Curtis Eric Wordekemper Jeff Martin Richie Barker 0.5 -0.1 3.86 5.23
Adolfo Ramirez Montana DuRapau Nicholas Waechter Don Stanford 0.8 -0.2 3.80 5.33
Jose Adames Allan Simpson Mike MacDougal Colin McLaughlin 0.5 -0.5 3.64 5.64
Yefry Ramírez Don Carrithers Colin Rea Stan Thomas 1.1 0.1 3.99 5.12
Hansel Robles Jesus Colome Dalier Hinojosa Dyar Miller 0.5 -0.6 4.16 6.25
Michael Grove Jonathan Hurst Doug Mlicki Brian Slocum 1.4 0.2 4.01 5.19
Jordan Leasure Steve Cishek Jason Garcia Kieran Lovegrove 0.3 -0.4 4.03 5.10
Shelby Miller Juan Eichelberger Roric Harrison Fernando Nieve 페르난도 0.6 -0.3 3.92 5.54
Kyle Hurt Bill Faul Frank Snook Larry Killingsworth 0.8 -0.1 4.17 5.40
Mark Washington Mike Roesler Patrick Mincey P.J. Francescon 0.2 -0.6 4.19 5.52
Lael Lockhart Dedgar Jimenez Chase Wright Scotty Pace 1.1 -0.1 4.28 5.37
Andre Jackson Craig Chamberlain Wilson Heredia Ryan Zimmerman 1.0 -0.2 4.34 5.54
Yadier Álvarez Goose Gregson Eddie Moore Mike Shields 0.1 -0.3 4.32 5.50
Aaron Ochsenbein Paul Thorp Elvys Quezada Mike Sullivan 0.2 -0.4 4.29 5.67
Keone Kela Luis Aloma Dave Sisler Joey McLaughlin 0.2 -0.4 3.92 5.99
Robbie Erlin Jo-Jo Reyes 레이예스 Bill Pulsipher Mark Thurmond 0.6 -0.3 4.27 5.62
James Jones Jamie Easterly Andy Hassler Jim Post 0.2 -0.6 4.02 6.28
Beau Burrows Al Raffo Kris Roth Tim Byron 0.8 -0.3 4.53 5.61
Jon Duplantier Matt DeSalvo Al Schroll Jack Hamilton 0.9 -0.5 4.29 5.90
Alec Gamboa Mitch Walk Anthony Nicometi Robert Snyder 0.5 -0.6 4.49 5.71
Heath Hembree Wes Stock Bob Long Johnny Klippstein 0.1 -0.7 4.10 6.12
Dellin Betances Hal Elliott Dwight Bernard Bob Babcock 0.1 -0.2 4.23 6.21
Logan Salow Zac Curtis Hunter Cervenka Mike Kinnunen 0.2 -0.7 4.38 6.31
Kendall Williams Pat Russell Jeff Sellers Trevor Mallory 0.8 -0.5 4.79 5.80
John Rooney Kramer Sneed Michael Mader Barry Wohler 0.7 -0.5 4.71 5.95
Tanner Dodson Jeff Schmidt Aaron Cook Fernando Barreras 0.0 -0.6 4.68 6.13
Jose Martinez Rick Pierini Brady Dragmire Johnny Rodriguez 0.3 -0.5 4.80 5.85
Jake Cantleberry Bryan Harper Pete Cappadona Dustin Sasser 0.0 -0.7 4.67 6.28
Cole Percival Al Hartman Mike Capel Steve DiBartolomeo 0.1 -0.8 4.97 6.17
Dakota Chalmers Dar Smith Dennis Malseed Kim Hillstrom 0.2 -0.6 5.04 6.64
Bobby Wahl Hal White Larry Gable Win Ballou -0.1 -0.4 4.92 7.07

Players are listed with their most recent teams wherever possible. This includes players who are unsigned or have retired, players who will miss 2023 due to injury, and players who were released in 2022. So yes, if you see Joe Schmoe, who quit baseball back in August to form a Norwegian Death Dixieland Bubblegum Ska-Funk band, he’s still listed here intentionally. ZiPS is assuming a league with an ERA of 4.22, above 2022’s level of offense but lower than other years. Pitchers who appear to have a fairly definite change in the majors from start-to-relief or vice-versa from these projections will receive reconfigured updates in the spring.

Hitters are ranked by zWAR, which is to say, WAR values as calculated by me, Dan Szymborski, whose surname is spelled with a z. WAR values might differ slightly from those that appear in the full release of ZiPS. Finally, I will advise anyone against — and might karate chop anyone guilty of — merely adding up WAR totals on a depth chart to produce projected team WAR.

As always, incorrect projections are either caused by flaws in the physical reality of the universe or by skillful sabotage of our friend and former editor. You can, however, still get mad at me on Twitter.





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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raregokusMember since 2022
3 years ago

Awesome stuff as always Dan. FYI: Jordan Zimmermann, Juan Villanueva, and Dave Hillman links point to different guys than intended, I think.

raregokusMember since 2022
3 years ago
Reply to  raregokus

Just a further FYI: I caught these quickly because in the app, the linked player’s name is highlighted, but those 3 guys only had their names partially highlighted. Might be a useful way to give the comps lists a quick once-over before/right after publishing.

solthecutter
3 years ago

I’ll take the over on 4.6 WAR for Mookie

GreggMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  solthecutter

I’ll take the under on 145 IP from Buehler.

JSJohnSmithAnon
3 years ago
Reply to  solthecutter

Last year was his 4th straight year of declining xwOBA, he had strong BsR and Def last year, I wouldn’t be too confident.

frankenspock
3 years ago

You understand, I hope, that he consistently outperforms his xwOBA because of his speed. If you’re predicting his speed will decline enough to take him out of the elite tier (not a completely unreasonable take, but then again I wouldn’t personally bet on it just yet; ask me again when he’s 32 or 33), then just say that.

Last edited 3 years ago by frankenspock
sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  frankenspock

xwOBA takes into account sprint speed, which is really not that impressive for Betts anyway. He’s just a very savvy and instinctual baserunner (which xwOBA does not know about).

Dmjn53
3 years ago
Reply to  solthecutter

So would I, but at age 30 with at least some yellow flags in terms of health and batted ball data, this may be the last year where he’s a slam dunk 5 win player

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  solthecutter

I’m not sure if I would take the over on 4.6 WAR for Mookie but I will absolutely take the over for him if he gets 616 PAs. Most scenarios where I see him getting 4.6 wins involve him getting a lot fewer PAs. If he gets 616 PAs that I would think he will be a lot closer to the 80th percentile (5.8 fWAR) than 50th (4.6).

Last edited 3 years ago by sadtrombone
mariodegenzgz
3 years ago

Main question I have for this team: will they ever stop treating Julio Urías with kid gloves? He’s 26 years old and he’s never sniffed 6 innings or 90 pitches per start. That has to change at some point… right??? It’s ridiculous.

Otherwise, as expected. Super quiet offseason for some weird reason, but I’m sure there’s enough pixie dust here to still win 98 games like it’s nothing. They may be intensely boring to watch, but they’re also so effective it won’t matter. I do give the Padres a decent shot to steal a division title tho, first time in like a decade I can say that about any NL West team that’s not LA.

Last edited 3 years ago by mariodegenzgz
raregokusMember since 2022
3 years ago
Reply to  mariodegenzgz

IMO, the weird off-season was a product of the Bauer situation combined with a concerted effort to duck under the tax line for a year to reset their penalties. The Bauer suspension getting reduced eliminated any extra room they had under the line.

connjc
3 years ago
Reply to  raregokus

I don’t see how they are going to duck under the line. They are barely under now by most estimations and they will still need to bring players as fill-ins throughout the year or make other additions.

raregokusMember since 2022
3 years ago
Reply to  connjc

I personally don’t see it either, especially if the West race is close in July. But absent that explanation, their moves this offseason make zero sense to me.

Domingo AyalaMember since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  connjc

If they’re not blowing past the luxury tax, they may as well go under for a year and reset. They’re so close that they almost have to use this as an opportunity to reset.

connjc
3 years ago
Reply to  Domingo Ayala

that’s all well and good, but they are going to need to shed more payroll if they want to accomplish that.

frankenspock
3 years ago
Reply to  connjc

They’re under it right now, though. I think the fact that they didn’t make any major signings in the off-season is pretty strong evidence that they think they can stay under the threshold. Don’t count against them unloading Bauer at mid-season on a pitching hungry contender and making the numbers on that come out favorably enough that they can make a few moves and still stay under the tax.

Sammy Sooser
3 years ago
Reply to  mariodegenzgz

Urias averaged 5 2/3 innings per start the last two seasons. He hasn’t tasted 6.0 per start, but within one out, for two full years? That’s the definition of sniffing it.

tdouglas
3 years ago
Reply to  mariodegenzgz

Hardly any starters reach 6 IP anymore. I’m not sure about his pitch count, but LAD is likely at the forefront of understanding how much to push their players. If they think Julio at 5+ IP of fantastic pitching is the best version of him and the version to keep him healthy, then that’s the way to go.

rzbzadraMember since 2025
3 years ago
Reply to  mariodegenzgz

Urias has pitched 360 innings the last two years, more than any Dodgers player and that probably puts him in the top 20 players in the MLB for IP over that span. The game has changed.

tung_twista
3 years ago
Reply to  mariodegenzgz

Urias averaged 180IP in the past two seasons.
I understand that it sounds underwhelming for a pitcher of Julio’s caliber, but that is 13th in all of majors.
Hard to argue that is the result of being treated with kid gloves.
(FWIW, in 2011-12, 360IP would have been 54th, so yeah, a lot has changed.)

mariodegenzgz
3 years ago
Reply to  tung_twista

Also averaging like 86 pitches per game. That is kid gloves for sure. The Dodgers do it with everyone, of course, but it still sucks when it happens.

frankenspock
3 years ago
Reply to  mariodegenzgz

The Dodgers spend a lot of money on science that shows which players are most likely to get injured through overuse and then apply that science by limiting innings and pitches per start. I’m not sure why this “sucks” in your opinion unless your jam is watching 30-year-olds with dead arms trying to make comebacks in Double-A ball.

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mariodegenzgz
3 years ago
Reply to  frankenspock

Oh yeah and the Dodgers have done such a great job at keeping starters (and pitchers in general) healthy over the past half decade or so. Clearly that method works lol.

It sucks because you never get to see just how good these talented pitchers could be. They’re not allowed to be transcendent, and us fans lose the star pitcher as a result. A shame, because the superstar starter is the centerpiece of the game of baseball.

Dmjn53
3 years ago
Reply to  mariodegenzgz

Seems like a “don’t fix what isn’t broken” situation with Urias. He also has a significant 3rd through the order penalty with a nearly 200 point jump in OPS.

GoodEnoughForMeMember since 2024
3 years ago

I can’t help but wonder if they want to reset their tax penalties both as an ask by ownership, and to go all out in the Great Ohtani pursuit next offseason. He seems like the perfect unicorn for an org like the Dodgers to meld.

steveo
3 years ago

Probably, but it’s a bit weird to slash payroll in the middle of a championship window. Especially with Betts/Freeman/Kershaw in their primes and into their 30s and Urias hitting FA this offseason and probably commanding at least what Rodon got and maybe more since he’ll hit FA 3 years younger. I know they’ve been ducking under every few years when they could, but this one seems more egregious than others with their best players getting older. They’re good enough to win a championship, but I’d be kind of annoyed if I were a dodgers fan.

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
3 years ago
Reply to  steveo

This is correct and as a Dodgers’ fan, I’m super annoyed (and that’s before getting to the embarrassment of hanging onto Bauer despite player and fan wishes because…they still think they can trade him?). The Giants and Red Sox have punched themselves in the face so hard that Friedman is getting a pass on a really, really bad offseason.

mattMember since 2023
3 years ago

Seems like more of a ownership decision than friedman

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago

I think there is some merit to trying to stay under the tax to reset. But then spending $10M of space on an aging right handed hitting DH—which they seem to think is a necessity and not a luxury! That is not the way. How on earth do you roll with two first basemen and two DHs and no shortstop? Taylor gives them some flexibility to cover LF or give Lux or Vargas a rest but even then that’s a lot to put on Outman and Thompson.

I had an idea: they could trade Bauer for Baez. Baez might be awful but he could be great and his deal runs for a while. Detroit gets out from under his contract and can DFA him; the Dodgers take on more salary in the future when they exceed the tax anyway. But guess what? That would put the Dodgers over the line this year! It’s amazing how they have played themselves.

Last edited 3 years ago by sadtrombone
John WickMember since 2018
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yeah this has been a really weird offseason for them.

If they wanted to be all-in on the luxury tax reset, they shouldn’t have signed JD; they’ll need to make some adds and they don’t have any obvious salary dumps if they need to trim to stay under.

And then there’s the infield defense, which could be pretty bad. Not clear that Lux is a workable SS, and neither Vargas or Busch are helpful on D if someone gets hurt. And they’ve been a big shifting team, some of that advantage is going to dissipate and it’s going to be harder for them to hide guys on defense. There will be guys they can acquire to help in case of emergency, but that flows back into the luxury tax challenge.

sterling62Member since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Dodgers most likely offered Justin Turner $10 million as an alternative DH, but he was given $22 million over 2 years by the Red Sox. And Dodgers pivoted to JD who is 3 years younger than JT, and offers some upside at a lower cost. If Dodgers plan to stay under luxury tax, they can off load part of Bauer salary.
I am hopeful that JDM will improve as he is reunited with his old hitting coach. And he will provide leadership to young hitters on the Dodgers, much like he did with Mookie on the Red Sox.
Strange to be so critical of 1Yr, $10 million contract when players like Gallo, Brantley, Turner, and Conforto all received more this off-season.

Domingo AyalaMember since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  steveo

I don’t think the Dodgers have a “window”. Their window has been open for a decade and it’ll like stay that way for the foreseeable future.

jtricheyMember since 2021
3 years ago
Reply to  Domingo Ayala

Agree. They already did this same thing once during this gaping window.

steveo
3 years ago
Reply to  Domingo Ayala

I don’t mean window as in they’ll suck when Betts/Freeman get old and decline, but those guys are hall of famers. It won’t be easy to replace them or pay their replacement in 2026 if they stink. They might be a 90 win team or something at that point or Diego Cartaya and Bobby Miller will be 5 win players and they’ll win 107 games. Who knows, but their window is as open as it ever will be in this exact moment. With 6 playoff teams in each league, there isn’t much concern about not making the playoffs.

GoodEnoughForMeMember since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  steveo

I get it, but I wonder if they’re accepting this is their ‘worst’ year given San Diego. I find it hard to believe they (SD) can maintain all the star players they have through the next 8 years or so, and technically Machado can opt out after this year. I wonder if LA kind of sees this as the sort of peak year for the Padres, decides to see if they can hold them off but accepts maybe this is the year the Padres dethrone them and come back next year with a potentially weaker SD team and a chase for Ohtani.

Last edited 3 years ago by GoodEnoughForMe
frankenspock
3 years ago

I have a feeling one of Soto or Machado is out after this season; Machado is already supposedly placing feelers around the league and will command an absurd salary. But if he decides to reup on his option, they might look at Soto as someone they won’t be able to afford the following year and try to trade him at peak value.

The Padres issue continues to be surrounding that top layer of talent with depth (especially with a tapped out farm system), so how they do this year will probably have a lot to say about their strategy going beyond 2023.

Last edited 3 years ago by frankenspock
rzbzadraMember since 2025
3 years ago
Reply to  steveo

The window remains open seemingly forever because they operate like this. The Dodgers probably know better than anybody that the playoffs are pretty much a crapshoot and a 95 Win team has basically the same odds as a 115 win team. They are operating to make the postseason and roll the dice every year.

steveo
3 years ago
Reply to  rzbzadra

Strongly disagree. The Astros were clearly the best team this year and they won. The playoffs being a crapshoot is something the owners sell the fans on when they don’t want to spend money. The playoffs are a crapshoot to an extent, but the Dodgers are rich enough to not let their best players leave in FA and to cover up those mistakes with more money whenever those deals go bad.

frankenspock
3 years ago
Reply to  steveo

The Astros were clearly the best team this year and they won.

Except they weren’t. They and the Dodgers were 1 and 1a. The Dodgers take from setting a team record for wins and losing in the divisional round while watching a wild card team make the World Series (again) might reasonably be considered as viable an option as an all-in every year approach, especially when you have the farm system and cash to sit back and watch everybody else mortgage their own futures to make their fanbases temporarily content.

frankenspock
3 years ago
Reply to  steveo

They’re always in the middle of a championship window, though. Their farm system remains rather robust and may have even taken a big step up over the last year. In the Friedman era they’ve been all about balancing “win now” with “win for a very long time” and it’s kind of hard to argue with the results.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago

If they are running out some combination of Busch, Lux, Taylor, Muncy, and Vargas at the 2B/SS/3B slots in this reduced-shifting world, it is going to be super ugly. Offensively, the outfield is more of a concern, with Outman and Thompson being maybe okay, but with Pages coming up and Outman projecting for a 2-win player I think they’ll be fine there defensively. But defensively, the LAD infield is going to be awful to watch this year unless they find a real shortstop and shift everyone back to positions they can play.

Realistically they have two guys who can (probably?) handle third base in Muncy and Vargas, and two guys who can definitely handle 2B in Lux and Taylor, and unless Busch can handle LF he’s definitely the odd man out. I think they need to start thinking about how to turn him and Pepiot maybe some other prospects into a shortstop they feel good running out there everyday. But unless the Padres are willing to trade Kim within the division or the Cubs are willing to trade Hoerner, I don’t see a lot of options. Maybe Rosario but he’s not a great defender either.

The other issue: They are literally right up against the luxury tax–they are about $100K under. If they want to reset (and they seem to) they can’t add any salary.

steveo
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

They’re going to have to cut payroll if they want to stay under. In season call-ups will bring them over that threshold. Also: could I interest them in a lightly used Isiah Kiner-Falefa?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  steveo

Whoever they trade for, they have to be meaningfully better than Amaya. I don’t think IKF qualifies.

steveo
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Was only joking but I definitely don’t think Amaya is the answer.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I agree with this, and I’m still pretty surprised that they’re willing to move every infielder up a spot on the defensive spectrum. It’ll be interesting to see if this and/or the shift ban affect their pitchers’ persistent BABIP overperformance.

I think it also demonstrates that they had a good idea the Bauer appeal was going to end this way, and that they’re very serious about staying under the lux tax.

Domingo AyalaMember since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

How about Adames?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Domingo Ayala

The Brewers won’t trade him unless they get a ridiculous return. He’s their only position player who is definitely good, and may be an extension candidate. The Dodgers would have to overpay in a way they basically have never done. So I would say it is not likely.

The problem for them is that all of the teams who have actual shortstops want to win now or their shortstops are seen as foundational pieces (like Bobby Witt). They could trade for Nicky Lopez, or Amed Rosario. But if you want to trade for Adames or Tim Anderson or JP Crawford the team has to admit they aren’t competing that year.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Jorge Mateo is one who is definitely a SS. might be an upgrade and is probably available.

SenorGato
3 years ago

Maybe my favorite part of their weak offseason was the rush to talk about wanting to keep the powder dry for Next Year/The Future. Very Cubsy…Still a good team but looks like ownership and Friedman are preparing to submit to the cap moving forward (I assume this was always The Plan) as the league further transitions to being the NFL but baseball

Last edited 3 years ago by SenorGato
sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  SenorGato

The Yankees and Dodgers have a philosophy of dipping back under the line every 2-3 years to reset the penalties. It’s a really savvy strategy given the incentives, where the penalties for going over are barely noticeable in year one but start to become more substantial later on. Other teams are much more averse to going over the tax line at all

SenorGato
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Give the league a little more time to clean up and no one’s going over. Even now going over is just a corporatized way of gaining credibilitiy with fans

steveo
3 years ago
Reply to  SenorGato

Absolutely. Hal Steinbrenner definitely notices fans booing him and calling him cheap on social media. Did he sign Rodon to quiet some of that talk? Maybe. But in reality he’s still extremely cheap and can easily afford a 500M payroll + luxury tax bill like the Mets.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Much more averse to even approaching the line, for half the league.

frankenspock
3 years ago
Reply to  SenorGato

Son, if you think the Dodgers look “Cubsy”, I can only suggest you’re looking for systematic flaws that aren’t there.

SenorGato
3 years ago
Reply to  frankenspock

I understand it’s not obvious until it’s obvious (all hail the bureaucracy), pops, but we’re already watching it happen!

Last edited 3 years ago by SenorGato
Nate
3 years ago

Anyone else a little disappointed to see Joe Judge and Ryan Klesko as the top two comps for Mookie Betts? He feels like someone whose career could pan out to be somewhere between average HOFer (like Billy Williams, his #3 comp) to inner circle HOFer, so I was expecting just a little better comps for his age 30 season.

hopbittersMember since 2020
3 years ago

That Judge comp for Mookie isn’t bad, but probably not the one he wanted.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  hopbitters

The best part about this comment is that it is actually plausible. Betts is 6 months younger than Judge,

Ryan DCMember since 2016
3 years ago

Lol at Steven Duggar and Bradley Zimmer being the same guy, at least according to their comps

darren
3 years ago

Both Mookie’s and Freeman’s 80th percentile WAR falls well below what they did last year. Seems like a very weird result but maybe it’s more common with elite players?
Still, Jose Ramirez, as an example, put up 6.3 WAR last year and his 8th percentile projection is 7.2 WAR.

darren
3 years ago

Does JD Martinez’s 1.5 benefit from some adjustment that ZIPS makes to DH value that doesn’t exist in regular ol’ FG War? The projection looks like a basic repeat of 2022 in which FG credited him with 1.0 WAR.

JoeMember since 2016
3 years ago

I think it’s very cool that JD Martinez’s top comp has all of 20 lifetime MLB plate appearances… because he was a Hall of Fame PCL slugger from the postwar era when they threatened to become a major league.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  Joe

It would have been fun if the PCL and Negro American League had become major leagues. Without the forced segregation of course

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago

Clayton Keyshaw comps to 3 guys who are honored to be comps of Clayton Kershaw

Jason BMember since 2017
3 years ago

On the player comps – can a filter be put on those such that there would be a minimum PA or IP threshold to kind of filter out the noise? For example, I’m not sure much is gained from comping J.D. Martinez to Joe Brovia, whose entire career spanned 20 plate appearances in 1955. Doesn’t even have to be a high threshold, but there seems to be quite limited value in comping a guy with almost 6000 plate appearances to a guy with a -30 OPS+ in 18 official at-bats.

These guys – even in the most charitable of readings – these aren’t the same guys.

Anon21Member since 2018
3 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

Making weird comparisons to total unknowns is at least half the point of the ZiPS similar player toy.

JoeMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

Joe Brovia had nearly 7000 professional plate appearances, though, a couple thousand of which were in a league officially recognized as above AAA. They contribute to our knowledge about Martinez and how he might age. You have to translate them to the right context, but you also have to translate the early 2000s Rockies and late 60s Dodgers.