2023 ZiPS Projections: Atlanta Braves

For the 18th consecutive season, the ZiPS projection system is unleashing a full set of prognostications. For more information on the ZiPS projections, please consult this year’s introduction and MLB’s glossary entry. The team order is selected by lot, and the next team up is the Atlanta Braves.

Batters

If you’re wondering why Steve Cohen was willing to spend the GDP of a Pacific island nation on the 2023 Mets, you’re looking at the most compelling reason. The Phillies made the splash by bringing in Trea Turner, but that roster simply doesn’t cause terror in the eyes of their opponents. This one does.

What makes the Braves especially scary? A lot of times when you see a lineup this good, it’s a team full of guys nearing free agency, sure to depart due to the cost of keeping the band together. But these aren’t The Beatles of Abbey Road or Let It Be; Atlanta is still in the Revolver phase. Dansby Swanson was the one guy who departed, and though Vaughn Grissom is a projected downgrade, he still looks like a league-average player, which the Braves will be perfectly content with. In any case, Kyle Wright got Shelby Miller as his top comp, so maybe they can trade him for a new Swanson at some point!

Like the Mariners, the Braves do have that one unfortunate spot in left field. The combination of Eddie Rosario and assorted others feels out of place with the rest of the lineup, as if the Braves suddenly forgot the DH position existed and had to scramble internally once the local press noted that Joey Jo-Jo Junior Shabadoo didn’t sound like the name of a real player. As such, it would be nice if they added another outfielder, simply for depth, though it’s not strictly necessary unless an emergency situation happens, such as the loss of Ronald Acuña Jr. or Michael Harris II to injury. Yes, the Braves are an elite team with a lineup hole, but with players in the top tier at catcher, first, third, center field, and right field, and certainly a chance of that at second, this is a filthy batting order regardless.

Pitchers

The rotation isn’t as exciting as the lineup, especially after Max Fried and Spencer Strider, but the Braves get some very solid projections here. There are questions about the three pitchers in the back end of the rotation: can Wright repeat? Does Charlie Morton have a bounceback left? Can Mike Soroka stay healthy?

ZiPS is cautiously optimistic about all three of them, but the projections do like quite a few of the pitchers the Braves have in reserve. It sees Ian Anderson and Bryce Elder as legitimate major league starters and has a lot of positive math-generated feelings about Jared Shuster and Kolby Allard. Huascar Ynoa would have been included in that final group of reinforcements if not for Tommy John surgery already all but ending his 2023.

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Even with the loss of Tyler Matzek to Tommy John surgery, the bullpen remains incredibly deep. Here’s a game to play: go down our depth chart for the Braves and find the names that ZiPS sees with an ERA+ under 100.

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You don’t get a reliever ZiPS doesn’t like — or even one with a projected ERA+ under 110 — until you get down to the eighth man on the depth chart, Dennis Santana. Go farther down and there’s still Nick Anderson (projected ERA+ of 111), Jesse Chavez (102), Jackson Stephens (106), Seth Elledge (100), Victor Vodnik (104), and Michael Tonkin (107) to go. The Gwinnett Stripers might have the 20th-best bullpen in the majors in 2023.

It’s not just ZiPS liking Atlanta because Alex Anthopoulos secretly deposits gold into my accounts in the Caymans; Steamer also ranks the Braves as having the top bullpen in baseball. The WAR projection on the depth chart would have been even better but for the fact that ZiPS uses leverage index and automatically had to reduce the projected leverage index of some of the pitchers, as there just weren’t enough high-leverage appearances to go around for everyone.

The Braves ought to be one of the teams competing to lead the majors in wins in 2023. And ZiPS believes they have the highest floor of all the reasonable contenders — the Mets, Cardinals, Dodgers, Padres, Yankees, Blue Jays, and Astros. This is an excellent team.

Ballpark graphic courtesy Eephus League. Depth charts constructed by way of those listed here.

Batters – Standard
Player B Age PO PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS
Austin Riley R 26 3B 636 566 89 156 32 2 35 104 53 154 1 1
Ronald Acuña Jr. R 25 RF 577 496 98 136 25 1 29 79 68 135 28 9
Michael Harris II L 22 CF 618 572 90 157 36 4 22 93 35 143 24 4
Matt Olson L 29 1B 654 564 88 146 35 0 36 110 77 143 1 1
Sean Murphy R 28 C 479 420 60 105 26 1 20 73 45 112 1 1
Ozzie Albies B 26 2B 576 529 85 143 32 4 22 81 39 101 11 5
Travis d’Arnaud R 34 C 366 335 45 89 19 2 13 54 23 81 0 1
Vaughn Grissom R 22 SS 582 524 79 133 23 2 12 74 39 99 16 4
Marcell Ozuna R 32 LF 446 403 55 99 19 0 21 66 39 105 3 1
Orlando Arcia R 28 2B 390 354 44 85 16 0 12 50 32 75 3 2
Hoy Park L 27 3B 445 384 55 87 15 2 9 52 52 116 10 3
Mitchell Tolman L 29 2B 410 363 48 84 18 3 7 49 34 103 4 2
Jordan Luplow R 29 RF 298 258 40 54 14 1 15 47 36 76 4 2
Robbie Grossman B 33 LF 511 436 57 100 20 2 13 62 65 131 9 3
Kevin Pillar R 34 CF 369 341 52 87 17 2 13 51 18 68 5 3
Tyler White화이트 R 32 DH 395 336 36 79 18 1 10 45 52 92 2 1
Delino DeShields R 30 CF 419 355 46 76 13 2 3 34 55 121 19 6
Sam Hilliard L 29 LF 442 396 55 80 15 3 17 57 42 149 9 2
Luke Waddell L 24 SS 170 155 19 41 8 0 3 17 13 27 1 2
Joe Dunand R 27 3B 379 342 33 70 17 1 7 43 26 126 2 1
Eli White R 29 CF 336 301 41 64 10 2 8 38 28 106 14 3
Ryan Casteel R 32 C 289 264 28 57 11 1 13 39 22 96 0 1
Cody Milligan L 24 CF 509 452 65 108 19 3 2 41 49 116 9 4
Joe Hudson R 32 C 175 156 15 30 4 0 5 20 16 60 0 1
Braden Shewmake L 25 SS 317 296 36 69 12 2 8 35 17 75 4 1
Alex Dickerson L 33 RF 352 320 39 76 16 2 12 45 26 88 1 1
Pat Valaika R 30 2B 418 387 41 88 17 0 9 43 26 112 1 1
Chadwick Tromp R 28 C 261 246 28 57 12 0 9 33 13 68 0 1
Ehire Adrianza B 33 3B 202 178 24 42 8 1 3 22 18 43 1 1
Travis Demeritte R 28 RF 371 335 44 72 17 2 12 44 33 135 5 1
Jesse Franklin V L 24 RF 312 283 31 58 16 2 13 45 20 109 6 2
Justin Dean R 26 CF 391 351 45 72 12 3 5 40 30 139 14 4
Cal Conley B 23 SS 500 458 69 104 17 5 10 53 28 126 14 5
Cade Bunnell L 26 SS 445 386 48 70 17 3 11 45 54 202 2 1
Yariel Gonzalez B 29 SS 400 369 39 86 14 0 10 45 26 96 3 1
Hernan Perez 페레즈 R 32 2B 320 299 36 70 14 0 7 36 18 84 9 2
Eddie Rosario L 31 LF 411 382 47 93 18 1 13 54 24 80 5 1
Robinson Cano L 40 DH 237 223 23 54 12 0 5 26 12 52 0 1
Arden Pabst R 28 C 203 194 15 35 7 1 5 22 7 79 0 1
Ryan Goins L 35 SS 336 310 26 68 12 1 3 27 22 103 1 1
Chris Sharpe R 27 CF 378 334 42 64 20 1 6 42 32 126 6 3
Landon Stephens R 25 LF 451 400 44 78 16 1 16 58 40 182 2 2
Joshua Fuentes R 30 3B 400 380 41 79 14 1 8 41 15 126 1 1
Beau Philip R 24 3B 419 378 41 69 11 1 8 37 35 148 6 3
Hudson Potts R 24 1B 372 346 35 71 18 0 11 46 20 123 1 1
Drew Campbell L 25 CF 379 353 41 76 11 3 7 38 21 102 6 4
Drew Lugbauer L 26 1B 501 453 50 85 22 0 21 64 43 225 0 1
Greyson Jenista L 26 RF 400 364 40 71 12 1 14 46 32 166 2 2
Tyler Tolve L 22 C 308 282 33 55 9 2 9 37 20 111 3 1
Javier Valdes R 24 C 284 248 29 58 11 1 7 38 23 66 1 1
Brandol Mezquita R 21 RF 424 383 39 80 11 3 3 40 29 148 7 4
Bryson Horne L 24 1B 398 374 34 81 15 1 8 41 20 118 2 1
Hendrik Clementina R 26 C 328 309 25 61 8 0 11 39 14 127 0 1

Batters – Advanced
Player PA BA OBP SLG OPS+ ISO BABIP Def WAR wOBA
Austin Riley 636 .276 .347 .525 131 .249 .321 -2 4.8 .370
Ronald Acuña Jr. 577 .274 .371 .504 133 .230 .322 5 4.5 .374
Michael Harris II 618 .274 .324 .467 110 .192 .332 7 4.4 .339
Matt Olson 654 .259 .353 .512 129 .254 .286 6 4.2 .365
Sean Murphy 479 .250 .336 .460 112 .210 .295 5 3.8 .343
Ozzie Albies 576 .270 .321 .471 110 .200 .298 1 3.2 .337
Travis d’Arnaud 366 .266 .322 .451 105 .185 .315 2 2.4 .333
Vaughn Grissom 582 .254 .324 .374 88 .120 .293 -4 1.9 .308
Marcell Ozuna 446 .246 .314 .449 102 .203 .282 -1 1.2 .328
Orlando Arcia 390 .240 .303 .387 84 .147 .273 3 1.2 .300
Hoy Park 445 .227 .321 .346 80 .120 .301 3 1.2 .296
Mitchell Tolman 410 .231 .310 .355 79 .124 .304 4 1.1 .294
Jordan Luplow 298 .209 .312 .446 101 .236 .234 2 1.1 .327
Robbie Grossman 511 .229 .335 .374 91 .144 .298 1 1.0 .314
Kevin Pillar 369 .255 .304 .431 95 .176 .285 -2 1.0 .315
Tyler White 395 .235 .339 .384 95 .149 .295 0 0.7 .320
Delino DeShields 419 .214 .323 .287 67 .073 .316 2 0.6 .281
Sam Hilliard 442 .202 .281 .384 77 .182 .274 7 0.6 .287
Luke Waddell 170 .265 .324 .374 88 .110 .304 1 0.6 .304
Joe Dunand 379 .205 .274 .322 60 .117 .301 8 0.5 .265
Eli White 336 .213 .292 .339 69 .126 .299 1 0.5 .280
Ryan Casteel 289 .216 .280 .413 84 .197 .284 -5 0.3 .298
Cody Milligan 509 .239 .316 .308 70 .069 .317 0 0.3 .281
Joe Hudson 175 .192 .269 .314 57 .122 .275 3 0.3 .259
Braden Shewmake 317 .233 .278 .368 72 .135 .286 -2 0.3 .280
Alex Dickerson 352 .238 .304 .413 91 .175 .291 -3 0.2 .310
Pat Valaika 418 .227 .275 .341 65 .114 .297 3 0.2 .269
Chadwick Tromp 261 .232 .272 .390 76 .159 .284 -4 0.1 .286
Ehire Adrianza 202 .236 .313 .343 77 .107 .295 -2 0.0 .292
Travis Demeritte 371 .215 .288 .385 79 .170 .319 -1 0.0 .294
Jesse Franklin V 312 .205 .269 .413 80 .208 .280 0 0.0 .291
Justin Dean 391 .205 .284 .299 58 .094 .324 2 0.0 .263
Cal Conley 500 .227 .280 .352 69 .124 .292 -6 -0.1 .275
Cade Bunnell 445 .181 .285 .326 65 .145 .341 -5 -0.1 .274
Yariel Gonzalez 400 .233 .285 .352 71 .119 .289 -6 -0.1 .278
Hernan Perez 320 .234 .278 .351 68 .117 .303 -3 -0.2 .275
Eddie Rosario 411 .243 .285 .398 82 .154 .277 -4 -0.4 .293
Robinson Cano 237 .242 .283 .363 72 .121 .295 0 -0.4 .279
Arden Pabst 203 .180 .212 .304 37 .124 .273 3 -0.4 .221
Ryan Goins 336 .219 .269 .294 52 .074 .319 -3 -0.7 .250
Chris Sharpe 378 .192 .276 .311 58 .120 .287 -3 -0.7 .263
Landon Stephens 451 .195 .282 .360 71 .165 .307 -3 -0.7 .283
Joshua Fuentes 400 .208 .243 .313 48 .105 .289 4 -0.8 .241
Beau Philip 419 .183 .258 .280 45 .098 .275 3 -0.9 .243
Hudson Potts 372 .205 .253 .353 61 .147 .283 2 -0.9 .262
Drew Campbell 379 .215 .262 .323 57 .108 .283 -4 -1.0 .256
Drew Lugbauer 501 .188 .263 .375 69 .188 .309 -1 -1.0 .276
Greyson Jenista 400 .195 .263 .349 63 .154 .310 -1 -1.1 .267
Tyler Tolve 308 .195 .256 .337 58 .142 .284 -14 -1.4 .260
Javier Valdes 284 .234 .324 .371 87 .137 .291 -25 -1.5 .308
Brandol Mezquita 424 .209 .276 .277 50 .068 .332 1 -1.5 .249
Bryson Horne 398 .217 .259 .326 56 .110 .294 -1 -1.5 .256
Hendrik Clementina 328 .197 .238 .330 51 .133 .292 -12 -1.6 .247

Batters – Top Near-Age Offensive Comps
Player Hit Comp 1 Hit Comp 2 Hit Comp 3
Austin Riley Vern Stephens Whitey Kurowski Jim Ray Hart
Ronald Acuña Jr. Earl Torgeson Kal Daniels Dave Winfield
Michael Harris II Vada Pinson Claudell Washington Bobby Tolan
Matt Olson David Ortiz Mark Teixeira Roger Maris
Sean Murphy Devin Mesoraco Miguel Montero Jason Castro
Ozzie Albies Robin Yount Dickie Thon Pie Traynor
Travis d’Arnaud Babe Phelps Terry Steinbach Ferrell Anderson
Vaughn Grissom Tony Fernandez Edgar Renteria Alan Trammell
Marcell Ozuna Tommie Reynolds Babe Dahlgren Bubba Trammell
Orlando Arcia Gene Robertson Ken Boswell Benny Valenzuela
Hoy Park Don Eaddy Dave Edler Daniel Muno
Mitchell Tolman Stubby Clapp John Powers Ryan Pineda
Jordan Luplow Greg Vaughn Chris Young Bob Hamelin
Robbie Grossman Kosuke Fukudome Bobby Del Greco George Burns
Kevin Pillar Carl Reynolds Jack Tobin Jody Gerut
Tyler White Ed Bouchee Hank Thompson Denis Menke
Delino DeShields Jason McDonald Quintin Berry Gregor Blanco
Sam Hilliard Louie Meadows Brad Tyler Bob Speake
Luke Waddell Julio Perez Neil Sellers Andres Forbes
Joe Dunand Mark Threlkeld John Lung Chad Spann
Eli White Herm Winningham Gale Wade Reggie Thomas
Ryan Casteel Eddie Ainsmith Bruce Bochy Tim Laudner
Cody Milligan Jordan Henry Matt Angle Neil Martin
Joe Hudson Cal Neeman Bob Tillman Duffy Dyer
Braden Shewmake Freddy Galvis Ron Gardenhire Joey Wong
Alex Dickerson Brian Hunter Steve Stroughter Ray Barker
Pat Valaika Benjamin Tompkins Juan Lopez Ed Lucas
Chadwick Tromp Bruce Bochy Bob Melvin Bob Davis
Ehire Adrianza Greg Legg Chico Ruiz Ramon Santiago
Travis Demeritte Bob Bowman Dave Edwards Mike Kelly
Jesse Franklin V Corey Dickerson Larry Kiesling Casper Wells
Justin Dean Scarborough Green Julio Martinez Nick Heath
Cal Conley Travis Dawkins Rob Valido Nelson Castro
Cade Bunnell Mitch Walding Shanie Dugas Johnny Knott
Yariel Gonzalez Nanny Fernandez Jermy Acey Hod Ford
Hernan Perez Steven Collette Bill Almon Pedro Gonzalez
Eddie Rosario Roman Mejias Max Marshall Tsuyoshi Shinjo
Robinson Cano Greg Dobbs Dick Sisler Thomas Howard
Arden Pabst Gary Tremblay Jorge Meran Jimmy Gonzalez
Ryan Goins Jeff Branson Tim Hulett Jorge Velandia
Chris Sharpe Shawn Payne Terry Banderas Brenden Webb
Landon Stephens Rich Barry Chito Martinez Stetson Allie
Joshua Fuentes Jeremiah Piepkorn Lee Crow Mike Sinnerud
Beau Philip Mike Koritko Robert Grenda Mark Cunningham
Hudson Potts Alex Cabrera Walter Poole Chris Richburg
Drew Campbell Keanon Simon Evan Cherry Luke Barganier
Drew Lugbauer Wes Clements Chip Cannon Steve Balboni
Greyson Jenista Patrick Breen Andy Brown Tom Dodd
Tyler Tolve Steve Hershner Darrell Miller Russ Gibson
Javier Valdes Dave Valle Ted Brazell Sal D’Alessandro
Brandol Mezquita Lavell Cudjo Jon Scott Chris Arnold
Bryson Horne Ivy Griffin Jaime Ortiz Frazier Hall
Hendrik Clementina Justin Pickett Randall Schafer Chuck Staniland

Batters – 80th/20th Percentiles
Player 80th BA 80th OBP 80th SLG 80th OPS+ 80th WAR 20th BA 20th OBP 20th SLG 20th OPS+ 20th WAR
Austin Riley .300 .373 .587 151 6.4 .248 .324 .466 110 3.2
Ronald Acuña Jr. .300 .401 .560 151 5.9 .250 .346 .447 111 3.0
Michael Harris II .302 .353 .525 130 5.9 .241 .293 .407 86 2.3
Matt Olson .282 .378 .575 152 6.0 .236 .331 .466 114 3.0
Sean Murphy .275 .363 .515 132 5.0 .225 .311 .405 93 2.6
Ozzie Albies .293 .345 .528 131 4.8 .245 .296 .419 92 1.9
Travis d’Arnaud .295 .348 .506 127 3.3 .239 .292 .393 86 1.4
Vaughn Grissom .282 .349 .423 106 3.3 .232 .302 .337 73 0.8
Marcell Ozuna .272 .340 .503 121 2.3 .218 .286 .389 80 0.0
Orlando Arcia .269 .327 .438 103 2.1 .216 .276 .333 66 0.2
Hoy Park .254 .345 .398 97 2.1 .199 .293 .304 62 0.2
Mitchell Tolman .258 .339 .399 96 2.1 .200 .283 .308 58 0.1
Jordan Luplow .232 .336 .516 122 1.8 .188 .293 .395 84 0.5
Robbie Grossman .256 .361 .422 109 2.1 .205 .305 .321 72 -0.2
Kevin Pillar .281 .327 .482 114 1.9 .227 .278 .382 77 0.2
Tyler White .260 .366 .435 114 1.6 .207 .312 .336 74 -0.3
Delino DeShields .238 .350 .320 83 1.5 .188 .294 .250 50 -0.3
Sam Hilliard .229 .311 .441 98 1.8 .176 .255 .329 55 -0.5
Luke Waddell .295 .354 .420 108 1.0 .236 .296 .326 68 0.2
Joe Dunand .230 .301 .370 80 1.4 .179 .247 .279 43 -0.4
Eli White .244 .321 .390 91 1.3 .186 .261 .296 50 -0.4
Ryan Casteel .241 .308 .474 105 1.1 .190 .255 .351 62 -0.5
Cody Milligan .263 .344 .343 85 1.4 .211 .289 .272 53 -0.7
Joe Hudson .224 .299 .377 77 0.8 .166 .239 .258 36 -0.2
Braden Shewmake .259 .307 .418 91 1.1 .202 .251 .318 52 -0.5
Alex Dickerson .262 .327 .469 111 1.1 .210 .276 .363 72 -0.6
Pat Valaika .256 .306 .379 83 1.1 .201 .249 .292 45 -0.9
Chadwick Tromp .264 .302 .450 96 0.8 .204 .244 .334 54 -0.6
Ehire Adrianza .268 .341 .385 95 0.4 .209 .284 .298 60 -0.4
Travis Demeritte .241 .314 .436 99 1.0 .187 .263 .332 58 -1.0
Jesse Franklin V .231 .296 .475 101 0.8 .178 .244 .360 59 -0.8
Justin Dean .232 .307 .343 73 0.8 .176 .257 .260 40 -0.9
Cal Conley .251 .307 .401 88 1.1 .202 .255 .311 52 -1.1
Cade Bunnell .210 .312 .381 85 0.9 .155 .258 .271 44 -1.3
Yariel Gonzalez .260 .315 .398 89 0.8 .209 .263 .304 51 -1.2
Hernan Perez .263 .307 .403 88 0.6 .206 .250 .310 51 -0.9
Eddie Rosario .274 .318 .447 102 0.7 .217 .259 .347 61 -1.5
Robinson Cano .274 .314 .414 92 0.2 .211 .255 .319 53 -1.0
Arden Pabst .215 .247 .361 58 0.2 .151 .182 .248 14 -1.0
Ryan Goins .245 .299 .333 70 0.1 .192 .243 .256 37 -1.4
Chris Sharpe .216 .302 .349 75 0.1 .165 .247 .266 39 -1.6
Landon Stephens .221 .309 .410 90 0.3 .167 .253 .303 50 -1.9
Joshua Fuentes .235 .269 .361 66 0.2 .181 .214 .270 29 -1.8
Beau Philip .208 .284 .322 62 0.1 .155 .232 .238 29 -1.7
Hudson Potts .232 .278 .396 78 0.0 .180 .226 .304 42 -1.8
Drew Campbell .242 .289 .374 77 0.0 .193 .240 .289 43 -1.6
Drew Lugbauer .215 .289 .429 87 0.1 .159 .236 .315 48 -2.4
Greyson Jenista .223 .290 .403 82 -0.1 .170 .235 .294 43 -2.0
Tyler Tolve .222 .280 .388 77 -0.7 .171 .230 .282 38 -2.2
Javier Valdes .270 .358 .437 112 -0.6 .202 .300 .324 69 -2.1
Brandol Mezquita .236 .306 .317 66 -0.6 .181 .253 .239 34 -2.4
Bryson Horne .241 .285 .365 75 -0.6 .193 .234 .284 42 -2.4
Hendrik Clementina .224 .266 .383 69 -0.8 .169 .207 .280 30 -2.5

Pitchers – Standard
Player T Age W L ERA G GS IP H ER HR BB SO
Raisel Iglesias R 33 7 2 2.76 61 0 58.7 46 18 7 14 78
Max Fried L 29 15 6 3.02 29 29 172.7 159 58 15 39 159
A.J. Minter L 29 6 3 3.06 69 0 61.7 51 21 7 18 78
Dylan Lee L 28 5 2 3.15 54 0 60.0 52 21 7 14 68
Spencer Strider R 24 10 5 3.16 30 21 122.3 93 43 14 43 168
Collin McHugh R 36 4 1 3.17 44 3 59.7 52 21 6 16 62
Lucas Luetge L 36 5 2 3.38 46 0 53.3 52 20 5 16 54
Kirby Yates R 36 1 1 3.45 34 1 31.3 27 12 4 12 39
Charlie Morton R 39 9 6 3.68 28 28 156.7 134 64 18 54 173
Joe Jiménez R 28 4 2 3.68 56 0 51.3 40 21 7 18 71
Nick Anderson R 32 3 1 3.75 39 0 36.0 36 15 6 9 38
Kyle Wright R 27 13 8 3.81 27 26 151.3 140 64 18 49 144
Tyler Matzek L 32 3 2 3.83 50 0 49.3 41 21 5 26 48
Mike Soroka R 25 8 5 3.87 20 20 111.7 114 48 14 32 86
Michael Tonkin R 33 4 3 3.89 42 0 41.7 35 18 6 18 53
R.J. Alaniz R 32 3 1 3.93 30 0 36.7 32 16 4 16 43
Jackson Stephens R 29 5 3 3.94 39 2 61.7 60 27 6 25 55
Bryce Elder R 24 9 7 3.97 26 25 142.7 134 63 17 56 130
Victor Vodnik R 23 2 1 4.01 33 4 42.7 37 19 5 25 49
Jesse Chavez R 39 3 3 4.09 46 3 55.0 55 25 8 19 53
Huascar Ynoa R 25 7 5 4.12 20 18 87.3 81 40 12 36 90
Ian Anderson R 25 9 7 4.14 25 25 128.3 121 59 17 57 121
Seth Elledge R 27 3 3 4.15 42 1 47.7 45 22 6 22 50
Thomas Burrows L 28 3 3 4.20 34 0 40.7 35 19 5 21 45
Brandon Brennan R 31 2 2 4.21 30 0 36.3 34 17 4 18 33
Coleman Huntley R 30 3 3 4.24 31 2 57.3 57 27 8 23 55
Kolby Allard L 25 6 5 4.24 28 20 110.3 107 52 17 37 105
Darren O’Day R 40 2 2 4.24 29 0 23.3 21 11 3 9 24
Jared Shuster L 24 7 6 4.26 24 22 112.0 112 53 17 36 95
Roel Ramirez R 28 3 2 4.27 33 3 46.3 44 22 6 21 48
Danny Young L 29 2 1 4.29 38 0 42.0 38 20 5 21 47
Allan Winans R 27 3 3 4.32 17 9 58.3 58 28 7 19 43
Brad Brach R 37 2 2 4.33 28 0 27.0 27 13 3 13 27
Dennis Santana R 27 5 5 4.34 52 5 64.3 59 31 7 31 63
Roddery Munoz R 23 6 5 4.42 21 21 95.7 97 47 14 43 86
Tanner Gordon R 25 9 7 4.43 23 22 103.7 112 51 16 31 78
Ty Tice R 26 2 2 4.46 30 0 34.3 34 17 5 18 31
Jesus Cruz R 28 2 3 4.46 37 0 38.3 34 19 5 22 43
Brooks Wilson R 27 2 2 4.47 22 4 46.3 47 23 8 19 46
Alan Rangel R 25 6 6 4.47 24 23 108.7 112 54 15 41 85
Darius Vines R 25 6 5 4.48 20 20 94.3 98 47 17 32 85
Nolan Kingham R 26 6 6 4.56 25 18 94.7 108 48 15 23 61
Dylan Dodd L 25 10 9 4.58 23 23 112.0 117 57 19 37 83
Connor Johnstone R 28 5 4 4.58 32 10 70.7 80 36 10 21 41
Yacksel Ríos R 30 3 3 4.81 34 1 39.3 37 21 5 25 38
Hayden Deal L 28 3 4 4.82 25 11 71.0 78 38 11 29 51
Jasseel De La Cruz R 26 3 4 4.94 19 12 58.3 61 32 9 29 47
Jake Elliott R 28 3 3 5.08 35 1 51.3 54 29 9 23 44
Brandyn Sittinger R 29 2 2 5.20 26 2 36.3 36 21 7 21 37

Pitchers – Advanced
Player IP K/9 BB/9 HR/9 BB% K% BABIP ERA+ FIP ERA- WAR
Raisel Iglesias 58.7 12.0 2.1 1.1 6.0% 33.2% .291 151 2.86 66 1.5
Max Fried 172.7 8.3 2.0 0.8 5.5% 22.3% .293 138 3.22 72 4.3
A.J. Minter 61.7 11.4 2.6 1.0 7.1% 30.8% .299 136 3.07 73 1.2
Dylan Lee 60.0 10.2 2.1 1.1 5.7% 27.9% .294 133 3.15 75 1.0
Spencer Strider 122.3 12.4 3.2 1.0 8.5% 33.3% .292 132 3.12 76 2.9
Collin McHugh 59.7 9.4 2.4 0.9 6.6% 25.4% .289 132 3.34 76 1.1
Lucas Luetge 53.3 9.1 2.7 0.8 7.0% 23.7% .315 124 3.47 81 0.7
Kirby Yates 31.3 11.2 3.4 1.1 9.0% 29.3% .303 121 3.86 83 0.5
Charlie Morton 156.7 9.9 3.1 1.0 8.3% 26.5% .288 114 3.74 88 2.9
Joe Jiménez 51.3 12.4 3.2 1.2 8.5% 33.6% .292 113 3.45 88 0.5
Nick Anderson 36.0 9.5 2.3 1.5 5.9% 24.8% .306 111 4.04 90 0.3
Kyle Wright 151.3 8.6 2.9 1.1 7.6% 22.5% .290 110 3.99 91 2.6
Tyler Matzek 49.3 8.8 4.7 0.9 11.9% 22.0% .271 109 4.23 92 0.4
Mike Soroka 111.7 6.9 2.6 1.1 6.7% 18.0% .293 108 4.26 93 1.8
Michael Tonkin 41.7 11.4 3.9 1.3 10.2% 30.1% .293 107 4.07 93 0.3
R.J. Alaniz 36.7 10.6 3.9 1.0 10.2% 27.4% .301 106 3.70 94 0.3
Jackson Stephens 61.7 8.0 3.6 0.9 9.4% 20.6% .300 106 4.00 94 0.5
Bryce Elder 142.7 8.2 3.5 1.1 9.0% 21.0% .289 105 4.23 95 2.2
Victor Vodnik 42.7 10.3 5.3 1.1 13.2% 25.9% .296 104 4.21 96 0.4
Jesse Chavez 55.0 8.7 3.1 1.3 8.0% 22.4% .303 102 4.26 98 0.4
Huascar Ynoa 87.3 9.3 3.7 1.2 9.5% 23.9% .294 101 4.25 99 1.2
Ian Anderson 128.3 8.5 4.0 1.2 10.2% 21.6% .290 101 4.35 99 1.7
Seth Elledge 47.7 9.4 4.2 1.1 10.3% 23.4% .302 100 4.20 100 0.3
Thomas Burrows 40.7 10.0 4.6 1.1 11.8% 25.3% .288 99 4.38 101 0.2
Brandon Brennan 36.3 8.2 4.5 1.0 11.3% 20.6% .291 99 4.42 101 0.1
Coleman Huntley 57.3 8.6 3.6 1.3 9.2% 22.0% .302 98 4.46 102 0.4
Kolby Allard 110.3 8.6 3.0 1.4 7.9% 22.3% .292 98 4.34 102 1.3
Darren O’Day 23.3 9.3 3.5 1.2 9.2% 24.5% .290 98 4.18 102 0.1
Jared Shuster 112.0 7.6 2.9 1.4 7.5% 19.8% .290 98 4.39 102 1.4
Roel Ramirez 46.3 9.3 4.1 1.2 10.2% 23.3% .302 98 4.32 102 0.3
Danny Young 42.0 10.1 4.5 1.1 11.4% 25.4% .303 97 4.32 103 0.1
Allan Winans 58.3 6.6 2.9 1.1 7.4% 16.8% .285 97 4.52 103 0.6
Brad Brach 27.0 9.0 4.3 1.0 10.8% 22.5% .316 96 4.15 104 0.1
Dennis Santana 64.3 8.8 4.3 1.0 10.9% 22.2% .292 96 4.29 104 0.4
Roddery Munoz 95.7 8.1 4.0 1.3 10.1% 20.2% .300 94 4.64 106 1.0
Tanner Gordon 103.7 6.8 2.7 1.4 6.9% 17.3% .299 94 4.64 106 1.1
Ty Tice 34.3 8.1 4.7 1.3 11.5% 19.7% .293 94 4.99 107 0.0
Jesus Cruz 38.3 10.1 5.2 1.2 12.9% 25.1% .293 94 4.56 107 0.0
Brooks Wilson 46.3 8.9 3.7 1.6 9.1% 22.0% .302 93 4.77 107 0.3
Alan Rangel 108.7 7.0 3.4 1.2 8.6% 17.8% .294 93 4.68 107 1.1
Darius Vines 94.3 8.1 3.1 1.6 7.8% 20.7% .298 93 4.71 107 1.0
Nolan Kingham 94.7 5.8 2.2 1.4 5.6% 14.8% .302 91 4.75 109 0.9
Dylan Dodd 112.0 6.7 3.0 1.5 7.6% 17.0% .287 91 4.92 110 1.0
Connor Johnstone 70.7 5.2 2.7 1.3 6.8% 13.2% .298 91 4.81 110 0.5
Yacksel Ríos 39.3 8.7 5.7 1.1 13.7% 20.8% .294 87 5.01 115 -0.1
Hayden Deal 71.0 6.5 3.7 1.4 9.1% 16.0% .300 87 5.17 115 0.4
Jasseel De La Cruz 58.3 7.3 4.5 1.4 10.9% 17.7% .295 85 5.24 118 0.3
Jake Elliott 51.3 7.7 4.0 1.6 9.9% 19.0% .298 82 5.24 122 -0.2
Brandyn Sittinger 36.3 9.2 5.2 1.7 12.7% 22.3% .293 80 5.52 125 -0.2

Pitchers – Top Near-Age Comps and Percentiles
Player Pit Comp 1 Pit Comp 2 Pit Comp 3 80th WAR 20th WAR 80th ERA 20th ERA
Raisel Iglesias Jonathan Papelbon Rollie Fingers Alejandro Pena 2.2 0.7 1.93 4.00
Max Fried CC Sabathia Vida Blue Jim Kaat 5.2 3.2 2.59 3.56
A.J. Minter Don Mossi Willie Hernandez Norm Charlton 1.9 0.4 2.08 4.55
Dylan Lee Jose Luis Garcia Tom Gorman Gabe White 1.6 0.4 2.40 4.22
Spencer Strider Van Mungo Tom Cheney Rich Harden 3.9 1.9 2.55 3.78
Collin McHugh Craig Stammen Jonathan Papelbon Seunghwan Oh 오승환 1.7 0.5 2.33 4.39
Lucas Luetge Chris Hammond Brian Shouse Morrie Martin 1.1 0.1 2.61 4.57
Kirby Yates Jay Howell Satchel Paige Dave Smith 0.9 0.1 1.93 7.74
Charlie Morton Phil Niekro Early Wynn Virgil Trucks 4.0 1.6 3.00 4.57
Joe Jiménez Dave Tobik Dan Miceli Luis Vizcaino 1.0 -0.1 2.86 4.67
Nick Anderson Blas Minor Rod Beck Claude Raymond 0.7 -0.1 2.96 5.17
Kyle Wright Shelby Miller Mike Witt Sonny Gray 3.6 1.6 3.31 4.33
Tyler Matzek Zack Britton Darold Knowles Ryan Buchter 0.8 -0.2 3.11 5.11
Mike Soroka Joe Overton Alejandro Romero Ike Delock 2.5 1.1 3.40 4.50
Michael Tonkin Matt Hammons Don Brennan Doug Bair 0.7 -0.3 3.03 5.26
R.J. Alaniz Johnny Murphy Hector Navarro Jairo Asencio 어센시오 0.6 -0.2 3.06 5.11
Jackson Stephens Dave Pavlas John Gregory Mike Buddie 0.9 0.0 3.39 4.66
Bryce Elder Jay Tibbs Geremi Gonzalez Tommy Hughes 3.0 1.1 3.57 4.67
Victor Vodnik Rick Carriger Kevin Dinnen Mark Brown 0.8 0.1 3.34 4.66
Jesse Chavez Bob Muncrief Scott Atchison Doug Brocail 0.9 -0.2 3.04 5.42
Huascar Ynoa Taylor Widener Javier De La Hoya Paul Fletcher 1.8 0.5 3.53 4.76
Ian Anderson John Gant Jake Arrieta Thomas Arruda 2.4 0.7 3.72 4.77
Seth Elledge Greg Resz Jack Lazorko Adalberto Flores 0.7 -0.1 3.54 4.97
Thomas Burrows Jaime Cerda Matt Smith Josh Edgin 0.5 -0.3 3.48 5.08
Brandon Brennan Pete Appleton Aurelio Monteagudo Gary Waslewski 0.4 -0.2 3.64 4.99
Coleman Huntley Malcolm Warren Craig Holman David Shepard 0.8 -0.2 3.67 5.13
Kolby Allard Jerry Garvin Matt Boyd Ryan Borucki 2.0 0.4 3.71 4.98
Darren O’Day Dan Miceli Kazuhiro Sasaki Joe Borowski 0.3 -0.2 3.20 5.80
Jared Shuster Jerry Garvin Yohan Flande 플란데 Ryan Borucki 2.0 0.6 3.79 4.92
Roel Ramirez Hassan Pena Scott Gracey R.J. Alaniz 0.8 -0.2 3.52 5.10
Danny Young Carl Sadler Frankie Reed Johnnie Seale 0.5 -0.3 3.56 5.17
Allan Winans Ken Sanders Paul Click Marc Valdes 1.0 0.2 3.80 4.88
Brad Brach Scott Kamieniecki Milo Candini Joe Strong 스트롱 0.3 -0.3 3.44 5.49
Dennis Santana Wayne Kirby Ray Miller Jeff Cornell 0.9 -0.2 3.80 5.18
Roddery Munoz Dan Denham Steve Dreyer Jon McDonald 1.5 0.3 4.01 5.01
Tanner Gordon Mike McCardell Rich Strasser Rick White 1.7 0.4 3.94 5.07
Ty Tice Daniel Stange Jeff Harris Donald Hammitt 0.2 -0.3 3.94 5.08
Jesus Cruz Bill Wilson Chad Harville Fred Lasher 0.3 -0.4 3.79 5.67
Brooks Wilson Derek Hasselhoff Justin Knoff Mike Natale 0.7 -0.1 3.79 5.15
Alan Rangel Jacob Turner 터너 Gaby Hernandez Jose Paniagua 1.7 0.4 4.03 5.05
Darius Vines Jared Jensen Jose Rosario Chris Corn 1.7 0.3 3.86 5.14
Nolan Kingham Griffin Jax Blake Beavan Matt Pearce 1.4 0.3 4.08 5.12
Dylan Dodd Tom Zachary Ryan Carpenter 카펜터 Sam Howard 1.5 0.2 4.15 5.16
Connor Johnstone Dustin Bolton Jarrett Santos Brad Rigby 0.8 0.0 4.20 5.15
Yacksel Ríos Marc Pisciotta Adam Reifer Ken Ryan 0.3 -0.5 4.05 5.93
Hayden Deal Mike Bell Derrin Ebert Zac Cline 0.8 -0.2 4.34 5.49
Jasseel De La Cruz Nicky Curtis Grant Johnson Greg Holt 0.6 -0.2 4.43 5.52
Jake Elliott James Pugliese Steven Spurgeon Mike Browning 0.2 -0.7 4.45 6.09
Brandyn Sittinger Erik Bennett Julio Solano Charlie Sullivan 0.2 -0.6 4.48 6.36

Players are listed with their most recent teams wherever possible. This includes players who are unsigned or have retired, players who will miss 2023 due to injury, and players who were released in 2022. So yes, if you see Joe Schmoe, who quit baseball back in August to form a Norwegian Death Dixieland Bubblegum Ska-Funk band, he’s still listed here intentionally. ZiPS is assuming a league with an ERA of 4.22, above 2022’s level of offense but lower than other years. Pitchers who appear to have a fairly definite change in the majors from start-to-relief or vice-versa from these projections will receive reconfigured updates in the spring.

Hitters are ranked by zWAR, which is to say, WAR values as calculated by me, Dan Szymborski, whose surname is spelled with a z. WAR values might differ slightly from those that appear in the full release of ZiPS. Finally, I will advise anyone against — and might karate chop anyone guilty of — merely adding up WAR totals on a depth chart to produce projected team WAR.

As always, incorrect projections are either caused by flaws in the physical reality of the universe or by skillful sabotage of our friend and former editor. You can, however, still get mad at me on Twitter.





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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Cave Dameron
3 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

Thank you Dan, very cool!

lavarnway
3 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

I can understand wanting to keep Braves fans out of the comments. Might get the “where’s Nick Markakis?” crowd lol.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2025
3 years ago
Reply to  lavarnway

I don’t blame ya. They are so obnoxious!

hughduffy
3 years ago
Reply to  lavarnway

Braves fans should know where Markakis is.
After all, Moses never made it to the promised land (World Series).

Last edited 3 years ago by hughduffy
Brian ReinhartMember since 2016
3 years ago

It’s not just ZiPS liking Atlanta because Alex Anthopoulos secretly deposits gold into my accounts in the Caymans”

And you still live in Ohio???

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  Brian Reinhart

I’ve no idea why more people don’t live in the Caymans with bank accounts in Ohio than vice versa

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

The best of all possible worlds is both living and banking in the Caymans. Sunny skies, tax crimes, and money laundering all go well together.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  Brian Reinhart

Somewhat unrelated, but I just want to say thanks to the state of Ohio for Luke Fickell.

Sincerely,

A University of Wisconsin college football fan

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago

So Jordan Luplow is the answer in LF.

hughduffy
3 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

They’ll see what Ozuna, Rosario, Luplow, Pillar, and Hilliard look like in Spring Training and go from there. I see a lot of mixing and matching in LF in the beginning of the season.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  hughduffy

ZiPS says not to do that. ZiPS says Luplow is the best player of those with the best upside. ZiPS says give him the job first and see how he does before settling for mixing and matching.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

I’m too lazy to look, but I remember Luplow having pretty poor R/L splits.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Historically he’s mashed lefties and sat down against righties. In 2021 he did okay against righties in a small sample and I suppose it’s possible he could become average against them with time. I don’t think the Braves are the ones who are going to let him try, though, not when Rosario bat left handed.

limozeen
3 years ago

How do Strider’s projections look if he starts 30 times instead of having 9 relief appearances? That K% projection for a sophomore is bonkers

limozeen
3 years ago
Reply to  Dan Szymborski

wow, what a line! Thanks a lot

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago

It’s interesting reading this after reading AA’s comments about Grissom and how he’s nervous about Grissom’s defense. That’s because Grissom’s offensive projection here is pretty bad.

I wouldn’t be shocked to see Orlando Arcia at shortstop here at some point this year if Grissom really is only 4 points higher than Arcia in actual performance.

hughduffy
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

AA also said that if Grissom provides league average defense, that will be enough.

FWIW, Ron Washington has been raving about Grissom’s potential while working with him during the offseason.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  hughduffy

That’s what AA noted–he said something like: ‘I’m really scared about this but Ron Washington says he is going to be good and he’s good at this.’ Not exactly a ringing endorsement!

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

He helped Semien a lot. It’ll be interesting to see what happens.

hughduffy
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I think you’re overstating what AA said. Here’s a quote from the January 23, 2023, Justin Toscano story on AJC:

“I can see how the scouting community might have questions about Vaughn. I had questions about Vaughn when I first saw him,” Anthopoulos said when answering a fan’s question. “And I’ve been wrong plenty of times. The difference is we have a guy in Ron Washington who’s unbelievable with this stuff. He wouldn’t just say something to say it. And that doesn’t mean he’s always right; he’s going to get it right.

“And, look, we don’t know how Vaughn’s going to hit. He’s got to earn the job. Orlando Arcia can do it, too. But Wash really believes in Vaughn. We believe in Vaughn, too, but we’re going to go with who we think the expert in that area is, and I don’t know anybody better in the game than Ron.”

If Alex Anthopoulos was scared, Vaughn Grissom wouldn’t even be in the running. AA would be on the phone with Scott Boras about Elvis Andrus.
AA has doubts, but others on his staff do not. So Grissom will get a chance to earn the job. Like Riley and Camargo got a chance to earn the third base job after Josh Donaldson left.
There’s reason to believe in Grissom. Grissom was brought up at shortstop, started 63% of his minor league games there. Grissom started at 2B in only 22% of his minor league games, yet still managed to not be dead last in defensive metrics among second basemen with a similar number of innings. Even if Grissom is slightly worse at defense at shortstop, that will leave him comparable in defensive metrics to guys like Bobby Witt Jr., C.J. Abrams, or Oneil Cruz.

whaiiiMember since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I find this projection kind of shocking too because Dan said this in the ZiPS standings article:

Dansby Swanson is a big loss, but when you see the projection for Vaughn Grissom, you’ll understand why the Braves dominate this very preliminary run of the NL East standings.

I’m having a tough time squaring that with ZiPS having the worst Grissom projection of the available projection systems. Seems like the Braves should have brought Swanson back.

Anon21Member since 2018
3 years ago
Reply to  whaiii

Braves should absolutely have brought Swanson back or signed one of the other Big Three. But they historically refuse to sign big free agents, and Anthopolous seems to have an almost superstitious terror of long-term contracts that take a player into their late 30s–see the Freeman debacle, non-entrance to the Josh Donaldson sweepstakes in 2020 (although that decision has worked out really well), and that their largest free-agent contract in team history is still $75 million for B.J. Upton in 2012.

lavarnway
3 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

Anthopolous seems to have an almost superstitious terror of long-term contracts that take a player into their late 30s” Good.

Anon21Member since 2018
3 years ago
Reply to  lavarnway

I don’t agree…would be happy for the Braves to be overpaying Trea Turner in 2033 if it led to more enemy-crushing in 2023.

lavarnway
3 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

I can see that side too, but I can see why AA is against it, and that’s the stance I take too. How about this? I bookmark this page and we check back in 2033 and see how it all worked out haha.

fjtorres
3 years ago
Reply to  lavarnway

Won’t have too wait that long.
I’m thinking we’ll know who Grissom is by next year.

Pachoo9Member since 2021
3 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

If they signed Turner or Swanson, they have way less future payroll to get an extension signed for Fried, Wright, Minter, and future rookies. They are already past the luxury tax threshold right now.

Braves obviously think Grissom has a good chance of providing much of the value Swanson would have provided over the next 6+ years, for a fraction of the cost. Given that Swanson will be 29 this year, not a bad gamble imo. If it works out, saves them $150M over the next 6/7 years that they can use to sign more of their younger players. If it doesn’t, they will have to trade for an everyday shortstop.

Worked out very fortuitously for the Braves when Donaldson signed with the Twins, allowing Riley a chance to emerge. There is a real chance Grissom can become the next everyday Braves shortstop. He is a very confident young man, wouldn’t be surprised if he does.

Last edited 3 years ago by Pachoo9
hughduffy
3 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

The Braves entered the Josh Donaldson sweepstakes in 2020. Jon Heyman reported that their final offer was 4 years, between $75M-$90M, and the AAV was lower than their 3 year offer. Twins won the sweepstakes with $92M guaranteed with a 5th year team option that would take it to $100M. The Braves next best option for third base was Johan Camargo or Austin Riley. That choice eventually worked out when Riley broke out in 2021.

The Braves like their internal options for shortstop. Do I think it will work out this year? Maybe not, but so long as they receive league average production from the shortstop position, they’ll be fine.

Fun fact: Josh Donaldson remains the contract with the largest single year value ($23M) that AA has signed. All the other extensions max out at $22.5M.

Mahoney
3 years ago
Reply to  hughduffy

Funner fact(oid) – at that very time, the choice between Camargo and Riley was actually still a very real one.

Serious ClarkMember since 2022
3 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

How was the Freeman outcome a debacle?

Dmjn53
3 years ago
Reply to  Serious Clark

Yea I didn’t understand that line either. Matt Olson is a pretty damn good consolation prize

Anon21Member since 2018
3 years ago
Reply to  Serious Clark

Well, they paid two highly-regarded prospects and a couple of org guys for the privilege of employing an inferior player for the next 7 years. And then 2022 revealed that the gap in current talent between Freeman and Olson is bigger than it first appeared. Then there’s the sentimental aspect of it: moving on from the most beloved player on the first championship team in over two decades is bad vibes.

Bad move all around; Anthopolous should have just been less wedded to a rigid bottom line and met Freeman’s ultimatum. The Braves would be better off if he had.

Last edited 3 years ago by Anon21
lavarnway
3 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

I think it turned out just fine for the Braves.

bravesfan
3 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

highly regarded prospects? Pache’s bat may never play, certainly Harris made is presence moot, and speaking of, catcher is sewn up anyways.

The Freeman departure had as much to do with mismanagement by Freddie, his agent and AA exacerbated by the compressed timeline due to the lockout.

In any case, this team is better off now.

Anon21Member since 2018
3 years ago
Reply to  bravesfan

I’m talking about what they gave up at the time; Pache had a higher valuation last offseason than this one. And Langeliers’ stock is probably up, he’s a quality prospect. Neither player fits in the Braves’ current plans, but they could have stockpiled them as high-quality depth or traded them for other major league help.

I really don’t see how you can say that the team is better off with those prospects gone, Olson (who had a decent year but was off his recent highs) in, and Freeman (who had the best year of his career) out. That’s just cope! Freeman is a better player, there’s a good chance he will be better every year of Olson’s deal, and they’re out the prospects.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

There is much to question in your comment. Anthopoulos is stomping on most of the GM’s in the game. The Braves recognize real talent, not the Pache’s and Allard’s, then bring them up early and sign them to extremely team friendly long term deals and are quick to send the busts to teams that ignore results and believe more in potential. Pache, and Franchy Cordero, are among the poster boys for grotesquely overhyped prospects who have never even hinted that they could hit major league pitching. I have had my fill of toolsy “prospects” who many in the baseball universe keep touting that this year is going to be their breakout year. I do wonder why they brought back Allard, with his 6.07 lifetime ERA and negative WAR but the arm of Jake Odorizzi wasn’t going to get much in return or many out.

hughduffy
3 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

The Braves view Allard as a high upside pitching project. He’s a former first-round pick of theirs, and they like him as a person.

“We like him,” Anthopoulos said of Allard. “I think there’s still swing-and-miss if you look at the strikeout totals and so on. We know him, we have familiarity with the competitor.

“Look, when we traded him, we didn’t want to trade him.”

The Braves traded Allard for Chris Martin at the trade deadline in 2019.

All that aside, Allard is a lefty with strikeout stuff who still has an option year remaining. He can be a depth piece for their starting rotation and be optioned back to AAA for one more year.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

The fact that people are mad at the Braves’ front office after all this is a good example that some fans will just be mad no matter what happens. This team is going to be a top-tier contender for championships for the next 5 years at least, and possibly longer. If that’s not good enough for someone, nothing will be good enough.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Agreed. The Braves front office is running laps around the rest of the league and this guy is complaining about…not tying up a ton of money in an old player?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

It’s not like they’re not spending money either. The team is going to be up against the luxury tax for the next 8 years or something. They’re not cheap at all. And Braves fans can look forward to being one of the 3-4 teams with the best shot at the world series every year during that time span.

This kind of thing is what smart teams do–they reward their best guys early, keeping them for their whole peak.

acgonzales7
3 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

AA also couldn’t wait around at the risk of losing Olson if Freddie wasn’t going to sign. Can you imagine how much these same fans would complain if Freddie went to LA and they didn’t replace him with the best available option?

airforce21oneMember since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

More money for freeman = less $ for other players.

Dmjn53
3 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

This seems like an anti-AA comment, yet his refusal to tie up money into old players is one of his best qualities

Antonio BananasMember since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

“Why doesn’t AA stop prioritizing guys more likely to be consistently good at a bargain and instead mortgage the future for 2-3 prime years of a marginal upgrade” is certainly a take.

Anon21Member since 2018
3 years ago

Which of the four premium shortstops who signed this year do you think is going to fall of a cliff in 4 years? Stop strawmanning.

fjtorres
3 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

4 years? That far out, any or all. Turner is the safest bet and he’d be 33. Don’t forget Correa’s ankle. All have long term caveats with under/overs at 5 years.
Middle infielders and mid thirties are no sure thing.

Anon21Member since 2018
3 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

You can’t do every big free agent deal, but if you do no big free agent deals, you are cutting yourself off from an important source of talent. Many teams survive the occasional busted contract just fine; the key is writing the deal off when it goes bad by replacing the player and eating the money. Dodgers do it constantly. (Kemp, Adrian Gonzalez, Carl Crawford, even though they traded for him.)

Pachoo9Member since 2021
3 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

Yet AA has put together a superb team, most still very young, signed for the next 6 or 7 years of playoff contention. Think he knows what he is doing. The fact that he doesn’t sign huge free agent contracts for players past their prime is one of his best qualities.

hughduffy
3 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

The Braves go after free agents they are interested in, generally first thing in the offseason. It’s how they signed Charlie Morton and Drew Smyly in November 2020.

They don’t always get them. The Braves were in on Jacob deGrom this offseason, but stepped away as the bidding spiraled upward.

The Braves already have $37M in bad money going to Marcell Ozuna through 2024, and only dumped $2.5M of Jake Odorizzi’s contract on the Rangers. They don’t have a lot of room for bad contracts right now.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

Seems like good business acumen to me…and seems like it’s working out pretty well for the team

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago

The only way I can explain ZiPS giving Ozuna a -1 on defense is that ZiPS thinks he is going to play every game but one at DH.

dozingoffdadMember since 2021
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

ZiPS loves a Gold Glove winner

TKDCMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Strong agree. He’s a big bodied outfielder entering his mid-30s, and my 4-year-old niece has a stronger throwing arm.

I have pretty much the opposite levels of optimism/pessimism for Ozuna and Rosario as Zips does. I think Rosario can easily be a 1-1.5 WAR player if his ABs against lefties are limited (hopefully by whatever a Luplow is).

I hope Ozuna finds magic but I doubt he will. And otherwise you’re either looking at a giant hole at DH or having both of your catchers playing most days, which I really don’t like for the aging and always-hurt d’Arnoud.

lavarnway
3 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

Ozuna was hitting the ball well at the end of the season. I’m buying a bounce back in his bat. Last season he was coming off a major injury. He has a long track record of being a good hitter. The past two seasons have been rough, but it’s not hard to envision him being a 110 OPS+ hitter. Same story for Rosario really.

hughduffy
3 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

So your 4-year-old niece throws 80 mph? Cool cool cool.
So long as Corey Dickerson plays the outfield, Marcell Ozuna won’t have to worry about having the weakest outfield throwing arm in MLB.
Luckily for Ozuna, he’s much better at catching the ball than he is at throwing the ball, or there’d be no reason to put him in left field.

TKDCMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  hughduffy

My niece also doesn’t understand hyperbole very well. Maybe better than you, though.

There is no reason to put Ozuna in left field. He is gawdawful terrible no good out there.

hughduffy
3 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

C’mon, it was a joke. Like Corey Dickerson’s throwing arm.
Here would be a good reason to put Ozuna in LF: if your other options were Nick Castellanos or Kyle Schwarber.
Even with the bad throwing arm, Ozuna has shown he can be a league average left fielder. He was while he played left field for the Braves in 2021. All the advanced defensive metrics had him as average or above average in 2021 (4 DRS, 0.8 UZR, 0 OOA). Does that mean he’s a good outfielder? No.
Was he worse in 2022? Oh yes.
Would I rather someone else play LF? Yes.
If you look at the advanced defensive metrics, he wasn’t the worst fielder on the Braves last year under any of them (thanks to Austin Riley and injuries to Eddie Rosario and Ronald Acuña Jr.)
If he’s hitting, that’s the reason to put him in LF – to get his bat in the lineup. He’s not out there for his defense.

TKDCMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  hughduffy

I don’t think you’d find a Braves fan in the World that would agree that his defense was average in 2021. I get that some of the metrics said that, but he played very little.

He’s bad. He’s not necessarily slow, but he is clunky and his arm must only work when he’s throwing straight into the ground, as he is known to do, because Vladimir Guerrero could go first to third on him (senior, not junior).

hughduffy
3 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

I watched every Braves game in 2021, all 48 games that Ozuna started in left field before he dislocated his fingers sliding into third base in Boston. He was the starting left fielder for chrissakes. Played very little, indeed.

He made the routine plays those first two months in 2021 – every single one of them. The plays he didn’t make were ones that wouldn’t be certain for any fielder, and he made a small handful of those. His bat was close to non-existent, so him not being a complete butcher in the field was a welcome surprise after worrying that signing a natural DH who was DH in 2020 was a bad idea when it went away in 2021.

In 2022, his fielding regressed, and he was more tentative on balls coming forward, and more of them dropped in that shouldn’t have.

One thing that I know from watching all of those games is that he has never thrown a ball straight into the ground in a Braves uniform. I can recall only one time that he even failed to hit the cutoff man, maybe because Austin and Dansby were in a shift. He’s a limited fielder, the Braves know it, and both the team and Ozuna have done their best to work around his limitations.

Jewish PacheMember since 2020
3 years ago

So many exciting comps. Think my favorites have to be those for Olson and Fried.

Really hoping for a healthy Ronald + Ozzie year

DBA455
3 years ago
Reply to  Jewish Pache

The Kal Daniels comp for Acuna was rather saddening.

(While the Earl Torgeson comp was confusing and the Dave Winfield one rather exciting. A full gamut of emotions right there in one ZiPS line.)

fjtorres
3 years ago
Reply to  Jewish Pache

Albies! Yount, Thon, Traynor?
Any of the three would be worth fireworks.

SenorGato
3 years ago

Interesting projection for Kolby Allare. Weird career that guy and IIRC he’s still only 24-25. If he can’t get going this year, I’d lub to see him take a job in the KBO or NPB

Alls I ask of the Braves, a strong contender if not favorite for the most evil sports franchise in America, is the same as every year: lose and eat poop

SenorGato
3 years ago
Reply to  SenorGato

Allard*

lavarnway
3 years ago
Reply to  SenorGato

We’ve been winning more games than your favorite team for over 30 years now, and we don’t plan on stopping now lol.

SenorGato
3 years ago
Reply to  lavarnway

Meh, as many rings as brand new publicly funded stadiums in that time -billions upon billions in public funds. The league takes care
of them because their process aligns with the NFL but baseball Future (Now!), but literally the thought has never even crossed my mind to be jealous. I would never want the Cubs to be the Braves, they’re low enough as it is (do expect them to borrow some of their player development and retention strategies – sign them cheap, move ‘em fast, leverage both of those into a team friendly extension – but most bc that’s just The Future)

Also whatever success credibilities we want to give them doesn’t make them less poopy and evil under the hood. They’re still called the Braves ffs, gutter trash

Ukranian to Vietnamese to French is back
3 years ago
Reply to  SenorGato

Oh , many rounds like new stadiums are funded by the state during this time with billions of dollars of public money. tournament brín
them, because their process is suitable for the NFL, but the future is behind baseball (right now!), but literally the thought of jealousy never crossed my mind. I’ll never want Kubsi, I’ll be there, Brave, they’re low enough (hopefully, they’ll turn to some of their strategies to grow and keep a grudge – they’re cheap, they’re quick, they ‘re better than both of them in terms of skill, but they’re bigger than them) . ce majbutnê)

Besides that, naskílki uspíšnim ê dovíra do nih, y budu mati little mochi meše píd kapotom. Dosha doshas are called Braves fs, trash

SenorGato
3 years ago

Honestly, within the context of today’s corporatized existence and internet, this is kind of a throw back and very funny. I hope you’re human!

airforce21oneMember since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  SenorGato

I was wondering how many comments it would take before SenorGato dropped a conspiracy theory and/or political comment.

Turns out the answer is two.

Jason BMember since 2017
3 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Look someone has to fill the “FELONY FRAUD!!1!11” guy role around here… 😀

SenorGato
3 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

conspiracy theory and/or political comment

Gotta love that, to the average 21st century sports fan, any of that falls under politics and conspiracy (which is …taboo?…so we can continue this pretend existence without too much shame). It really does amaze me that this is the standard mentality of the freest and bravest population in the history of history! We’re building great things!

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bglick4
3 years ago
Reply to  SenorGato

You might want to avoid the AFC championship game.

SenorGato
3 years ago
Reply to  SenorGato

Ftr I’m aware, in hindsight, how crazy if correct this reads. It’s naturally maddening, no? Like I enjoy da spawts and da numbas and da prospectin’ but also know it’s all built on the public’s funds in an increasingly privatized economy (all hail) to the benefits of the extremely loud and powerful few while gen pop counts their pennies for them calling it capitalism!! Seems insane…The Braves really stand out in the MLB, a league that wants to be reach NFL levels of public (+ military) funding, player turnover, and dedication to a salary cap yada yada yada

MichaelMember since 2020
3 years ago

I’m much less of an Olson believer than I was a year ago

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MichaelMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Michael

specifically I’ll take the under on his WAR projection

lavarnway
3 years ago
Reply to  Michael

He was good last season and I bet he’ll be good in 2023.

mr. N
3 years ago
Reply to  lavarnway

that’s a hell of a trio of comps

lavarnway
3 years ago
Reply to  mr. N

sure is!

acgonzales7
3 years ago
Reply to  lavarnway

He’ll benefit from the lack of shifting an INF to shallow right field and having a year of NL pitching.

MichaelMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  lavarnway

Definitely a good player, I don’t deny that

v2miccaMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  Michael

I’m not. I’m holding out hope for a bounce back year for him, much like Francisco Lindor rebounded nicely for the Mets in the second year of his deal.

DLHughey
3 years ago

That’s quite the aggressive Harris 50% percentile WAR projection. He had an undeniably great 2022, but has no other track record of this level of performance. Good CF defense will give anyone a high WAR floor, but I’d expect more volatility and even more regression in his offensive projections given the fact that he came out of nowhere, has a really bad K/BB, and a 57% GB rate. Even his 20th/80th projections seem high to me.

Lets put it this way. Jeff McNeil has posted 5 seasons with a wrc+ above 130, a career 4.8 fWAR/600 PAs, and got Zips’d for a 116 OPS+ and 3.3 WAR. Mcneil’s offensive profile is unusual, but that’s a lot of MLB track record getting dinged hard despite coming off a 6 WAR season. I’m shocked Harris’ projections aren’t being regressed more heavily this early in his career with so little history to work from.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  DLHughey

I see where you’re going with this, but I imagine it’s balanced by the generally fabulous success of anyone who’s as good as Harris was last year in MLB as a 21yo.

tung_twista
3 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

I agree with both of you.

Harris recorded wRC+ 136 / fwar 4.8.
There have been total of 11 players who put up wRC+ [126, 146] and fwar [3.8, 5.8] as a 21 year old rookie including Harris and Julio Rodriguez in the past 100 years.

These nine players excluding the 2022 rookies averaged wRC+ 134 / fwar 4.5. (Trosky, Brunansky, Morgan, Ennis, Ashburn, Blefary, Lindor, Bellinger, Medwick).

3 HoFers out of 7 (likely to be 4 out of 9 with Lindor) is a great set of comps for anybody.

However, these nine players’ sophomore seasons averaged only wRC+ 112 / fwar 2.9, a far cry from wRC+ 134 / fwar 4.5 in their rookie year.
Notably, only Joe Morgan improved his wRC+ (129->131) and only Lindor improved his WAR (4.0->5.3, largely because he only played 99 games as a rookie)

This is the point where you might say, “Well, that’s obvious. Regression.”. and I would say “Exactly. Why would you think Harris would be immune from something even HoFers are not?”

There is a subtle but not a small difference between
“Harris will have a great career as that is what people with 21 year old rookie seasons do”
and
“There is a slightly less than 50% chance that Harris will replicate his rookie season plus more as a 22 year old sophomore.”

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cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  tung_twista

Yeah. He’s unlikely to run a .360 BABIP or outperform his xWOBA by 30 points again, but he turns 22 in March and got less than 200PA in the high minors.

I don’t generally subscribe to the theory that any young player is bound to improve, but he sure seems like one where another gear (or two, or three) is definitely a strong possibility. He’ll need some underlying skill improvement to repeat last year’s numbers.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  tung_twista

That said, a full season of PAs is doing a lot of work in the projections. He put up 4.8 WAR in only 441 last year, and ZiPS has him at a 110 OPS+ instead of last year’s 136, so there’s definitely some regression already baked in. ZiPS has him at 618PA and the depth charts at 609. Those both seem pretty reasonable.

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cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

If he actually does repeat last year’s offensive output over a full season of PAs, he’s more like a 7+ WAR MVP finalist. The upside on this team is scary.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  tung_twista

This is absolutely the right way of looking at it. Harris’s offense could regress back to the 110-ish range and he’d still be a 3.5 win player before we figure out if his defense is as good as advertised (or whether it’s just “good”).

Glevin
3 years ago
Reply to  DLHughey

I’m with you on this. He also had one of the worst chase rates in baseball. It’s possible he improves those underlying numbers and his hitting doesn’t regress but he had similar K/BB % numbers to Randall Grichuk and it’s really really hard to maintain those sorts of numbers and have long-term success. There wasn’t a single other top-50 hitter in baseball last year with a walk rate under 5%. Pitchers just stop giving you anything to hit. I think Harris is much less likely to repeat offensively as someone with a different skill set would but his D in CF does give him a high floor.

Pachoo9Member since 2021
3 years ago
Reply to  DLHughey

Well Harris did what he did last year as the youngest player in baseball (or at least was in August). His performance at such a young age is likely why he projects so well this year.

The Braves changed his swing once he got to the majors, to generate more power, and it looks like it worked. So you can’t really go on his minor league numbers alone (which were very good btw) for his future projection.

Pachoo9Member since 2021
3 years ago
Reply to  DLHughey

McNeil will be 31 this year while Harris will be 22. McNeil had his breakout rookie year when he was 26. Harris was 21 when he broke out last year. Age and performance relative to their age is a large reason Harris has rosier projections than McNeil this year.

And also, like you said, Harris has his center field defense to fall back on, along with superb baserunning. McNeil isn’t the same kind of defender nor fielder.

hughduffy
3 years ago
Reply to  DLHughey

The reason why projections regress Jeff McNeil more is his 2021 season. Similar walk and strikeout rates, but vastly lower BABIP. So he had a 92 wRC+ with 1.3 WAR. Yes, he bounced back in 2022, but that was hugely dependent on his high BABIP. He’s a player dependent upon contact and speed, and he’s in his 30s now. At some point, the decline will happen.

Michael Harris II’s 80th projection is basically his rookie year stretched out to a whole season. He doesn’t have much experience against LHP, and his platoon splits are pretty bad. But he’s fast – 29th in MLB in statcast sprint speed. For comparison, McNeil is 294th in statcast sprint speed. Harris is a full 2 feet/second faster than McNeil. That’s a big reason why his projections aren’t lower than they are.

Sure, he’ll regress. But he was really really good in his rookie year! He’s got a pretty high level to regress from.

lavarnway
3 years ago

When Ozuna and Grissom are your 8-9 hitters, that’s a pretty solid lineup.

Pachoo9Member since 2021
3 years ago

Wow, this is easily the highest WAR projections of any team forecast so far. I am a bit surprised.

Pachoo9Member since 2021
3 years ago
Reply to  Pachoo9

49.1 WAR is the highest before this (Yankees). This has the Braves at 54.8 WAR.

Kevbot034
3 years ago

No 40-40 projection for Acuna? I see ZiPS left out the fun factor this year, hmph

airforce21oneMember since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  Kevbot034

Injuries of any type tend to knock down the stolen base projections.

whiptydojoe
3 years ago

It’s probably crazy to write, but Acuña & Albies’ 80th outcomes look very doable if they’re just healthy and on the field; almost what we expect their 50th outcome to be.

Both of those guys have put those numbers up before and they aren’t on the wrong side of 30. This is a very dangerous team

Mahoney
3 years ago
Reply to  whiptydojoe

Couldn’t agree more. Albies seems like the ultimate forgotten man – his top three comps are 2 HOF guys plus Thon, who was on track for at least the Hall of Very Good before a beanball sank his career.

And yes, Albies JUST turned 26..he’s still younger than Kyle Wright and Sean Murphy.

John DiFool2
3 years ago

A bit amusing to see the ballpark sketch is appparently Turner Field and not Truist Park.

Jason BMember since 2017
3 years ago
Reply to  John DiFool2

Ted Turner is laughing in his

grave
sarcophagus
solid gold house

Demiurge
3 years ago

I just learned that the Braves have Puerto Rican Axel Rose aka Yacksel Rios.

Mahoney
3 years ago
Reply to  Demiurge

Although his first few tours in the Show were highlighted by an appetite for destruction via the long ball, Rios has since allowed the kind of slash line to warrant a long-awaited new deal. All Braves fans need is just a little patience.

Manute Bol sings better than this
3 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

Welcome to that jungle of a Brave bullpen Yacksel. Just have to Gwinnett and bear it.

Demiurge
3 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

I think I’m relieved that you didn’t say he might be one in a million. Well there, now I’ve said it. 😉

#KeepNotGraphs
3 years ago
Reply to  Demiurge

Or that he might help the Braves, come November, reign.

(I’ll see myself out now)

TheBabboMember since 2019
3 years ago

Ooofff, those Murphy comps. But apparently Grissom’s gonna be an All-Star.

acgonzales7
3 years ago

What is the purpose of the * in the graphic by player’s names? It’s not next to the relievers and I don’t see it noted anywhere so it’s really perplexing lol.

atlaslion
3 years ago

I was curious about Riley’s second comp b/c I’d not heard the name before (maybe others are familiar). What a story: https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/whitey-kurowski/.

Pachoo9Member since 2021
3 years ago
Reply to  atlaslion

Amazing story, thanks.

NashvilleSoundsMember since 2018
3 years ago

I definitely had to click through to more of the top few hitters’ Near-Age Comps than normal! Getting a little history lesson with the morning caffeine. The comps are always incredibly fun to look at. Thanks for doing these, and this series overall.