2022 ZiPS Projections: New York Mets
After having typically appeared in the hallowed pages of Baseball Think Factory, Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections have now been released at FanGraphs for a decade. The exercise continues this offseason. Below are the projections for the New York Mets.
Batters
It feels a little weird to be optimistic about the Mets after the season they just had (or perhaps because the Mets are one of the world’s most powerful pessimism-inducing entities). But when I look at the offense, there’s just not that much to complain about. None of Starling Marte, Mark Canha, or Eduardo Escobar are superstars — though Marte comes close at times — but signing that trio really improved how the lineup looks going into 2022. The team has a credible backup at most positions and even some upper minors depth (Brett Baty, Mark Vientos and, if you believe Steamer rather than ZiPS, Khalil Lee) they can use if the need arises.
Catcher projects as the team’s biggest weakness. The Mets put a lot of faith in a season’s worth of at-bats from James McCann in 2019 and ’20 when they committed to a four-year deal with a catcher who was already 30 years old. Given McCann’s .232/.294/.349, 0.5 WAR line in 2021, it’s hard to say they were well-rewarded for their belief. But on the positive side, even if it doesn’t come into play in 2022, ZiPS thinks that Francisco Álvarez’s bat will develop quickly enough to give the Mets a better option before McCann’s contract is done.
It’s highly likely that Michael Conforto has taken his last at-bat as a Met, though I’m not even sure he’s a great fit for the team where they are right now. While I’ve always been a fan, I have to admit that an injury-laden and generally lousy 2021 makes him a much bigger risk than he was a year ago, and that’s a problem for a contending team. While another lefty in the starting lineup would be welcome, it seems unlikely the Mets signed Canha to then immediately re-sign Conforto to take his job back.
Overall, this is likely to be an above-average lineup with solid depth behind it.
Pitchers
I’m confident about the Mets’ lineup, but I’m less sure here. Not because of the quality of the pitchers, mind you, but rather their health. We currently have the rotation as the best in baseball in our depth charts, but I happen to think the playing time scenarios are more optimistic than I would be. Given the state of Jacob deGrom‘s arm and Carlos Carrasco’s health record (plus a bone fragment removal procedure), I think the Mets will be quite fortunate to get 296 innings out of the pair. And while you’re likely risking your own health and well-being if you suggest this to him, Max Scherzer has looked exhausted at the end of both his recent full seasons, and he’s at an age where decline is a serious concern.
Luckily, the wheels won’t come off completely in the event of injury. David Peterson is a practical fill-in candidate, and Trevor Williams is still hanging around on the edge of the roster to absorb the occasional start. ZiPS doesn’t see much in the way of depth in the high minors to fill in here, but Seth Lugo is still around as a “break glass in case of Mets” option. I wouldn’t mind some additional NRIs to fatten the Triple-A rotation here.
ZiPS does think that the Mets should be searching for another handful of relievers after the new CBA is agreed to. While the projections are solid, they’re also rather top-heavy; a lot of this is Edwin Díaz. Behind Díaz, Lugo, Trevor May, and Miguel Castro all boast solid projections, but once you get past Castro, there’s a whole missing tier of quality, as you drop down about 15 points of ERA+ to the relievers right around replacement level. Williams will eat some mop-up innings in all likelihood, but the team needs to address the back end of this bullpen.

Ballpark graphic courtesy Eephus League. Depth charts constructed by way of those listed here.
| Player | B | Age | PO | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | CS |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Francisco Lindor | B | 28 | SS | 586 | 518 | 87 | 136 | 27 | 2 | 25 | 74 | 55 | 102 | 16 | 6 |
| Pete Alonso | R | 27 | 1B | 644 | 560 | 86 | 145 | 26 | 2 | 41 | 110 | 65 | 150 | 2 | 0 |
| Eduardo Escobar | B | 33 | 3B | 582 | 531 | 71 | 131 | 25 | 5 | 27 | 84 | 45 | 128 | 1 | 1 |
| Jeff McNeil | L | 30 | 2B | 506 | 458 | 62 | 129 | 26 | 2 | 12 | 52 | 34 | 66 | 5 | 2 |
| Brandon Nimmo | L | 29 | CF | 413 | 342 | 53 | 88 | 18 | 4 | 11 | 34 | 59 | 91 | 5 | 4 |
| Starling Marte | R | 33 | CF | 548 | 498 | 78 | 136 | 26 | 3 | 14 | 57 | 32 | 102 | 31 | 7 |
| Michael Conforto | L | 29 | RF | 536 | 457 | 66 | 115 | 23 | 1 | 19 | 72 | 66 | 122 | 3 | 2 |
| Mark Canha | R | 33 | LF | 531 | 443 | 76 | 105 | 20 | 3 | 18 | 60 | 64 | 120 | 7 | 2 |
| Jonathan Villar | B | 31 | 3B | 570 | 514 | 69 | 126 | 19 | 2 | 17 | 51 | 49 | 147 | 23 | 8 |
| Mark Payton | L | 30 | CF | 379 | 344 | 42 | 86 | 17 | 2 | 11 | 38 | 28 | 79 | 5 | 3 |
| Brett Baty | L | 22 | 3B | 409 | 370 | 54 | 84 | 16 | 1 | 12 | 47 | 32 | 113 | 4 | 2 |
| J.D. Davis | R | 29 | 3B | 371 | 328 | 41 | 86 | 17 | 1 | 12 | 40 | 35 | 95 | 2 | 0 |
| Francisco Álvarez | R | 20 | C | 401 | 356 | 50 | 80 | 13 | 1 | 21 | 63 | 32 | 109 | 4 | 3 |
| Luis Guillorme | L | 27 | 3B | 277 | 238 | 28 | 61 | 10 | 0 | 4 | 18 | 33 | 48 | 2 | 2 |
| Kevin Pillar | R | 33 | CF | 473 | 446 | 57 | 111 | 24 | 3 | 15 | 62 | 15 | 90 | 8 | 4 |
| Wilfredo Tovar | R | 30 | SS | 420 | 387 | 47 | 92 | 15 | 2 | 6 | 36 | 26 | 63 | 6 | 4 |
| Matt Reynolds | R | 31 | SS | 383 | 337 | 46 | 76 | 18 | 2 | 5 | 28 | 37 | 104 | 4 | 2 |
| James McCann | R | 32 | C | 420 | 386 | 37 | 91 | 16 | 1 | 11 | 48 | 28 | 119 | 2 | 2 |
| Mark Vientos | R | 22 | 3B | 406 | 374 | 42 | 85 | 16 | 1 | 18 | 54 | 24 | 121 | 0 | 3 |
| Ronny Mauricio | B | 21 | SS | 501 | 474 | 51 | 105 | 17 | 3 | 18 | 57 | 22 | 131 | 8 | 6 |
| César Puello | R | 31 | RF | 247 | 214 | 28 | 50 | 7 | 0 | 5 | 25 | 19 | 62 | 5 | 1 |
| Robinson Canó | L | 39 | 2B | 285 | 265 | 29 | 69 | 15 | 0 | 8 | 31 | 15 | 47 | 0 | 0 |
| David Rodríguez | R | 26 | C | 253 | 232 | 24 | 50 | 9 | 1 | 6 | 22 | 18 | 71 | 2 | 0 |
| Nick Dini | R | 28 | C | 220 | 199 | 27 | 46 | 9 | 0 | 8 | 24 | 13 | 48 | 4 | 1 |
| Brandon Drury | R | 29 | 3B | 375 | 346 | 37 | 78 | 17 | 1 | 11 | 40 | 24 | 90 | 0 | 0 |
| Dominic Smith | L | 27 | LF | 465 | 424 | 50 | 108 | 25 | 1 | 13 | 62 | 30 | 109 | 2 | 1 |
| Daniel Palka | L | 30 | RF | 460 | 411 | 55 | 91 | 17 | 1 | 18 | 56 | 45 | 121 | 3 | 1 |
| Tomás Nido | R | 28 | C | 193 | 183 | 18 | 40 | 8 | 1 | 4 | 19 | 7 | 52 | 1 | 0 |
| Travis Blankenhorn | L | 25 | 2B | 385 | 357 | 40 | 81 | 16 | 1 | 12 | 39 | 23 | 114 | 5 | 2 |
| Nick Conti | R | 25 | 2B | 135 | 117 | 13 | 23 | 4 | 1 | 3 | 10 | 14 | 37 | 2 | 1 |
| Hayden Senger | R | 25 | C | 292 | 264 | 21 | 53 | 12 | 1 | 5 | 17 | 17 | 85 | 0 | 0 |
| Chance Sisco | L | 27 | C | 317 | 276 | 34 | 59 | 11 | 0 | 9 | 31 | 29 | 93 | 0 | 0 |
| Jake Mangum | B | 26 | CF | 348 | 321 | 39 | 75 | 12 | 2 | 6 | 30 | 16 | 73 | 10 | 4 |
| Jose Colina | B | 24 | C | 136 | 125 | 15 | 23 | 4 | 0 | 4 | 13 | 9 | 47 | 0 | 0 |
| Martin Cervenka | R | 29 | C | 237 | 215 | 21 | 41 | 7 | 0 | 6 | 20 | 16 | 69 | 1 | 0 |
| Sebastián Elizalde | L | 30 | LF | 121 | 110 | 14 | 24 | 5 | 0 | 2 | 10 | 10 | 22 | 4 | 1 |
| Cheslor Cuthbert | R | 29 | 1B | 424 | 389 | 42 | 88 | 17 | 1 | 13 | 49 | 30 | 92 | 1 | 1 |
| Mason Williams | L | 30 | LF | 396 | 364 | 44 | 89 | 12 | 2 | 10 | 37 | 26 | 90 | 5 | 4 |
| Drew Ferguson | R | 29 | LF | 349 | 305 | 41 | 65 | 11 | 2 | 6 | 27 | 36 | 95 | 14 | 4 |
| Patrick Mazeika | L | 28 | C | 347 | 313 | 36 | 68 | 14 | 0 | 9 | 36 | 23 | 69 | 0 | 0 |
| Albert Almora Jr. | R | 28 | CF | 312 | 289 | 32 | 65 | 11 | 1 | 7 | 24 | 16 | 60 | 2 | 3 |
| Khalil Lee | L | 24 | RF | 468 | 406 | 50 | 83 | 17 | 2 | 11 | 36 | 47 | 165 | 15 | 9 |
| Antoine Duplantis | L | 25 | CF | 442 | 413 | 42 | 88 | 13 | 2 | 7 | 29 | 24 | 99 | 5 | 4 |
| Cody Bohanek | R | 26 | SS | 382 | 334 | 34 | 56 | 10 | 1 | 8 | 25 | 32 | 130 | 9 | 5 |
| David Thompson | R | 28 | 1B | 338 | 307 | 35 | 60 | 13 | 1 | 9 | 33 | 21 | 99 | 9 | 2 |
| Nic Gaddis | R | 25 | C | 180 | 160 | 19 | 28 | 4 | 1 | 5 | 17 | 14 | 50 | 1 | 1 |
| José Martínez | R | 33 | RF | 286 | 259 | 30 | 60 | 9 | 1 | 6 | 27 | 25 | 68 | 2 | 0 |
| Nick Meyer | R | 25 | C | 250 | 229 | 23 | 47 | 7 | 1 | 4 | 15 | 15 | 58 | 6 | 3 |
| Josh Reddick | L | 35 | RF | 372 | 342 | 38 | 80 | 13 | 1 | 8 | 35 | 25 | 68 | 2 | 1 |
| Cameron Maybin | R | 35 | LF | 245 | 219 | 27 | 48 | 10 | 0 | 5 | 20 | 23 | 67 | 6 | 3 |
| Carlos Cortes | L | 25 | LF | 426 | 384 | 46 | 80 | 16 | 2 | 11 | 44 | 32 | 108 | 2 | 3 |
| LT Struble | L | 25 | RF | 97 | 88 | 11 | 15 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 6 | 9 | 36 | 2 | 1 |
| Nick Plummer | L | 25 | LF | 446 | 382 | 50 | 71 | 15 | 3 | 10 | 35 | 50 | 158 | 7 | 5 |
| Matt Winaker | L | 26 | 1B | 310 | 272 | 30 | 51 | 9 | 3 | 5 | 21 | 27 | 83 | 2 | 2 |
| Wagner Lagrange | R | 26 | RF | 361 | 334 | 37 | 75 | 14 | 2 | 7 | 32 | 18 | 83 | 2 | 2 |
| Jeremy Vasquez | L | 25 | 1B | 450 | 403 | 46 | 87 | 17 | 2 | 7 | 38 | 38 | 108 | 1 | 2 |
| Quinn Brodey | L | 26 | RF | 383 | 348 | 35 | 65 | 13 | 2 | 7 | 30 | 25 | 131 | 10 | 3 |
| Carlos Rincon | R | 24 | RF | 446 | 408 | 47 | 81 | 17 | 0 | 15 | 45 | 31 | 146 | 4 | 0 |
| Player | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS+ | ISO | BABIP | RC/27 | Def | WAR | No. 1 Comp |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Francisco Lindor | .263 | .337 | .467 | 119 | .205 | .284 | 5.8 | 7 | 4.7 | Toby Harrah |
| Pete Alonso | .259 | .349 | .532 | 138 | .273 | .282 | 6.8 | 0 | 4.4 | Justin Morneau |
| Eduardo Escobar | .247 | .306 | .465 | 108 | .218 | .277 | 5.1 | 1 | 2.9 | Scott Spiezio |
| Jeff McNeil | .282 | .346 | .426 | 111 | .144 | .308 | 5.6 | 0 | 2.9 | Jeff Treadway |
| Brandon Nimmo | .257 | .381 | .430 | 123 | .173 | .321 | 5.9 | -1 | 2.8 | Sandy Amoros |
| Starling Marte | .273 | .333 | .422 | 106 | .149 | .319 | 5.6 | -2 | 2.8 | Jim Piersall |
| Michael Conforto | .252 | .356 | .431 | 116 | .179 | .304 | 5.5 | 0 | 2.5 | Paul O’Neill |
| Mark Canha | .237 | .356 | .418 | 113 | .181 | .285 | 5.3 | -4 | 2.1 | Al Smith |
| Jonathan Villar | .245 | .313 | .389 | 92 | .144 | .311 | 4.5 | -3 | 1.6 | U L Washington |
| Mark Payton | .250 | .308 | .407 | 95 | .157 | .295 | 4.5 | 3 | 1.5 | Armando Rios |
| Brett Baty | .227 | .292 | .373 | 82 | .146 | .294 | 3.8 | 6 | 1.3 | Scott Hodges |
| J.D. Davis | .262 | .342 | .430 | 111 | .168 | .335 | 5.5 | -8 | 1.3 | Tim Naehring |
| Francisco Álvarez | .225 | .295 | .444 | 100 | .219 | .261 | 4.5 | -7 | 1.2 | Eli Marrero |
| Luis Guillorme | .256 | .347 | .349 | 93 | .092 | .306 | 4.3 | 1 | 1.0 | Al Gallagher |
| Kevin Pillar | .249 | .283 | .417 | 90 | .168 | .282 | 4.2 | -2 | 1.0 | Gerald Williams |
| Wilfredo Tovar | .238 | .287 | .333 | 71 | .096 | .270 | 3.3 | 6 | 0.9 | Luis Figueroa |
| Matt Reynolds | .226 | .305 | .335 | 77 | .110 | .311 | 3.6 | 2 | 0.9 | Bobby Scales |
| James McCann | .236 | .293 | .368 | 81 | .132 | .313 | 3.8 | -1 | 0.8 | Terry Kennedy |
| Mark Vientos | .227 | .277 | .420 | 88 | .193 | .285 | 3.9 | 0 | 0.8 | Jamie D’Antona |
| Ronny Mauricio | .222 | .260 | .384 | 74 | .162 | .268 | 3.4 | 3 | 0.8 | Josh Wilson |
| César Puello | .234 | .327 | .336 | 84 | .103 | .306 | 4.0 | 4 | 0.7 | Jason Michaels |
| Robinson Canó | .260 | .305 | .408 | 94 | .147 | .290 | 4.5 | -2 | 0.6 | Lou Whitaker |
| David Rodríguez | .216 | .277 | .341 | 69 | .125 | .284 | 3.3 | 2 | 0.5 | David Duff |
| Nick Dini | .231 | .289 | .397 | 87 | .166 | .266 | 4.1 | -2 | 0.5 | Jim Horner |
| Brandon Drury | .225 | .278 | .376 | 78 | .150 | .273 | 3.6 | 1 | 0.5 | Josh Klimek |
| Dominic Smith | .255 | .312 | .410 | 97 | .156 | .315 | 4.6 | -6 | 0.4 | John Mabry |
| Daniel Palka | .221 | .298 | .399 | 90 | .178 | .268 | 4.2 | -2 | 0.4 | Pat Brady |
| Tomás Nido | .219 | .254 | .339 | 62 | .120 | .283 | 3.0 | 3 | 0.2 | Angelo Encarnacion |
| Travis Blankenhorn | .227 | .279 | .378 | 79 | .151 | .299 | 3.7 | -3 | 0.2 | Jimmy Bloodworth |
| Nick Conti | .197 | .291 | .325 | 70 | .128 | .260 | 3.2 | 1 | 0.2 | James Guerrero |
| Hayden Senger | .201 | .268 | .311 | 59 | .110 | .276 | 2.8 | 2 | 0.2 | Matt Pagnozzi |
| Chance Sisco | .214 | .312 | .351 | 83 | .138 | .287 | 3.8 | -8 | 0.2 | Dusty Brown |
| Jake Mangum | .234 | .283 | .340 | 71 | .106 | .285 | 3.5 | -1 | 0.1 | Ed Yacopino |
| Jose Colina | .184 | .250 | .312 | 54 | .128 | .257 | 2.6 | 1 | 0.0 | Alan Probst |
| Martin Cervenka | .191 | .250 | .307 | 53 | .116 | .250 | 2.6 | 2 | -0.1 | Tom Nieto |
| Sebastián Elizalde | .218 | .289 | .318 | 68 | .100 | .256 | 3.4 | 0 | -0.1 | Quinn Mack |
| Cheslor Cuthbert | .226 | .288 | .375 | 81 | .149 | .264 | 3.7 | 0 | -0.1 | Mike Bell |
| Mason Williams | .245 | .295 | .371 | 82 | .126 | .299 | 3.8 | -2 | -0.1 | Jalal Leach |
| Drew Ferguson | .213 | .307 | .321 | 74 | .108 | .289 | 3.6 | -1 | -0.2 | Adam Shabala |
| Patrick Mazeika | .217 | .278 | .348 | 71 | .131 | .251 | 3.3 | -6 | -0.2 | Alberto Castillo |
| Albert Almora Jr. | .225 | .269 | .343 | 67 | .118 | .261 | 3.1 | 0 | -0.2 | Jeff Barry |
| Khalil Lee | .204 | .306 | .337 | 78 | .133 | .313 | 3.4 | -3 | -0.3 | Ken Smith |
| Antoine Duplantis | .213 | .259 | .305 | 55 | .092 | .264 | 2.6 | 5 | -0.4 | Brennan Boesch |
| Cody Bohanek | .168 | .261 | .275 | 48 | .108 | .245 | 2.3 | 3 | -0.4 | Gil Velazquez |
| David Thompson | .195 | .263 | .332 | 63 | .137 | .256 | 3.1 | 3 | -0.4 | Lou List |
| Nic Gaddis | .175 | .253 | .306 | 53 | .131 | .219 | 2.5 | -3 | -0.5 | Jon Aceves |
| José Martínez | .232 | .301 | .344 | 77 | .112 | .292 | 3.7 | -5 | -0.5 | Armando Rios |
| Nick Meyer | .205 | .262 | .297 | 54 | .092 | .257 | 2.6 | -3 | -0.5 | Chris Stewart |
| Josh Reddick | .234 | .283 | .348 | 73 | .114 | .271 | 3.5 | -1 | -0.5 | Bill Stein |
| Cameron Maybin | .219 | .298 | .333 | 74 | .114 | .293 | 3.4 | -4 | -0.5 | Shane Spencer |
| Carlos Cortes | .208 | .272 | .346 | 69 | .138 | .260 | 3.1 | 1 | -0.6 | Rafael Alvarez |
| LT Struble | .170 | .247 | .227 | 33 | .057 | .275 | 1.8 | -1 | -0.7 | Amaurys Nina |
| Nick Plummer | .186 | .297 | .319 | 70 | .134 | .285 | 3.1 | -4 | -0.8 | Ty Griffin |
| Matt Winaker | .188 | .278 | .298 | 59 | .110 | .250 | 2.7 | 0 | -0.9 | Troy Gingrich |
| Wagner Lagrange | .225 | .268 | .341 | 67 | .117 | .279 | 3.1 | -2 | -0.9 | Todd Landry |
| Jeremy Vasquez | .216 | .286 | .320 | 67 | .104 | .278 | 3.1 | 0 | -0.9 | Scott Hatteberg |
| Quinn Brodey | .187 | .245 | .296 | 48 | .109 | .276 | 2.5 | 1 | -1.3 | Randy Rigsby |
| Carlos Rincon | .199 | .261 | .350 | 67 | .152 | .267 | 3.2 | -11 | -1.7 | Chad Whitaker |
| Player | T | Age | W | L | ERA | G | GS | IP | H | ER | HR | BB | SO | FIP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Jacob deGrom | R | 34 | 9 | 3 | 2.28 | 22 | 22 | 130.0 | 87 | 33 | 12 | 29 | 183 | 2.30 |
| Max Scherzer | R | 37 | 12 | 7 | 3.08 | 28 | 28 | 169.3 | 128 | 58 | 24 | 43 | 231 | 3.20 |
| Joey Lucchesi | L | 29 | 7 | 6 | 3.92 | 21 | 20 | 101.0 | 92 | 44 | 13 | 34 | 103 | 3.91 |
| Edwin Díaz | R | 28 | 6 | 3 | 2.76 | 64 | 0 | 62.0 | 43 | 19 | 7 | 24 | 98 | 2.94 |
| Seth Lugo | R | 32 | 6 | 5 | 3.80 | 35 | 12 | 92.3 | 80 | 39 | 15 | 24 | 105 | 3.96 |
| Tylor Megill | R | 26 | 6 | 7 | 4.34 | 26 | 24 | 118.3 | 112 | 57 | 20 | 43 | 131 | 4.38 |
| Taijuan Walker | R | 29 | 8 | 8 | 4.43 | 26 | 25 | 132.0 | 124 | 65 | 21 | 47 | 127 | 4.51 |
| Carlos Carrasco | R | 35 | 6 | 5 | 4.00 | 17 | 15 | 81.0 | 77 | 36 | 12 | 23 | 86 | 3.91 |
| Trevor Williams | R | 30 | 6 | 6 | 4.42 | 26 | 21 | 118.0 | 119 | 58 | 19 | 36 | 105 | 4.54 |
| David Peterson | L | 26 | 5 | 5 | 4.23 | 19 | 19 | 89.3 | 84 | 42 | 11 | 36 | 81 | 4.34 |
| Trevor May | R | 32 | 5 | 4 | 3.57 | 62 | 0 | 58.0 | 47 | 23 | 8 | 23 | 78 | 3.52 |
| Miguel Castro | R | 27 | 4 | 3 | 3.86 | 69 | 1 | 72.3 | 57 | 31 | 7 | 42 | 87 | 3.94 |
| Brad Hand | L | 32 | 6 | 5 | 3.79 | 63 | 0 | 59.3 | 51 | 25 | 8 | 23 | 68 | 4.11 |
| Josh Walker | L | 27 | 5 | 7 | 4.81 | 19 | 18 | 95.3 | 101 | 51 | 14 | 31 | 71 | 4.73 |
| Alex Valverde | R | 25 | 4 | 4 | 4.46 | 31 | 8 | 70.7 | 68 | 35 | 9 | 32 | 64 | 4.55 |
| Justin Lasko | R | 25 | 7 | 9 | 4.84 | 21 | 16 | 93.0 | 101 | 50 | 14 | 31 | 66 | 4.88 |
| Rob Zastryzny | L | 30 | 3 | 3 | 4.52 | 24 | 7 | 63.7 | 64 | 32 | 9 | 26 | 59 | 4.53 |
| Jose Rodriguez | R | 26 | 6 | 7 | 4.91 | 25 | 19 | 95.3 | 98 | 52 | 16 | 35 | 78 | 4.95 |
| Sean Reid-Foley | R | 26 | 5 | 6 | 4.80 | 28 | 15 | 90.0 | 80 | 48 | 14 | 55 | 105 | 4.84 |
| Adam Oller | R | 27 | 5 | 7 | 5.03 | 22 | 20 | 102.0 | 105 | 57 | 17 | 44 | 91 | 5.03 |
| Jose Butto | R | 24 | 5 | 6 | 5.03 | 22 | 21 | 96.7 | 103 | 54 | 16 | 33 | 76 | 4.94 |
| Antonio Santos | R | 25 | 4 | 5 | 4.74 | 36 | 10 | 87.3 | 90 | 46 | 13 | 32 | 68 | 4.83 |
| Robert Stock | R | 32 | 2 | 3 | 4.60 | 25 | 6 | 45.0 | 42 | 23 | 6 | 24 | 47 | 4.62 |
| Robert Gsellman | R | 28 | 2 | 2 | 4.47 | 37 | 3 | 50.3 | 51 | 25 | 7 | 18 | 40 | 4.71 |
| Dellin Betances | R | 34 | 2 | 2 | 4.08 | 31 | 0 | 28.7 | 23 | 13 | 4 | 17 | 37 | 4.51 |
| Corey Oswalt | R | 28 | 4 | 5 | 5.08 | 18 | 13 | 67.3 | 71 | 38 | 14 | 20 | 60 | 5.13 |
| Drew Smith | R | 28 | 2 | 2 | 4.32 | 34 | 1 | 41.7 | 38 | 20 | 7 | 16 | 44 | 4.55 |
| Eric Orze | R | 24 | 3 | 3 | 4.22 | 36 | 0 | 49.0 | 48 | 23 | 7 | 18 | 46 | 4.45 |
| Nate Fisher | L | 26 | 1 | 1 | 4.66 | 19 | 3 | 36.7 | 39 | 19 | 5 | 13 | 28 | 4.65 |
| Brian Metoyer | R | 25 | 3 | 2 | 4.18 | 23 | 0 | 32.3 | 28 | 15 | 3 | 19 | 37 | 4.05 |
| Willy Taveras | R | 24 | 4 | 4 | 4.63 | 33 | 3 | 58.3 | 62 | 30 | 9 | 17 | 45 | 4.67 |
| Alec Kisena | R | 26 | 5 | 7 | 5.14 | 23 | 15 | 84.0 | 87 | 48 | 12 | 43 | 71 | 5.03 |
| Mitch Ragan | R | 25 | 4 | 4 | 4.46 | 25 | 1 | 38.3 | 40 | 19 | 5 | 14 | 28 | 4.67 |
| Andrew Mitchell | L | 27 | 2 | 2 | 4.35 | 25 | 0 | 39.3 | 37 | 19 | 5 | 16 | 38 | 4.35 |
| Jake Reed | R | 29 | 2 | 2 | 4.50 | 38 | 1 | 50.0 | 48 | 25 | 8 | 21 | 52 | 4.56 |
| Roel Ramírez | R | 27 | 2 | 3 | 4.50 | 38 | 1 | 54.0 | 51 | 27 | 7 | 26 | 54 | 4.48 |
| Bryce Montes de Oca | R | 26 | 2 | 2 | 4.41 | 29 | 0 | 34.7 | 31 | 17 | 4 | 19 | 37 | 4.36 |
| Heath Hembree | R | 33 | 3 | 4 | 4.41 | 55 | 0 | 51.0 | 43 | 25 | 10 | 22 | 68 | 4.47 |
| Arodys Vizcaíno | R | 31 | 1 | 1 | 4.50 | 20 | 0 | 18.0 | 16 | 9 | 3 | 9 | 21 | 4.68 |
| Bradley Roney | R | 29 | 2 | 3 | 4.43 | 34 | 0 | 42.7 | 37 | 21 | 6 | 23 | 49 | 4.47 |
| Jesús Reyes | R | 29 | 5 | 7 | 5.19 | 28 | 16 | 102.3 | 105 | 59 | 15 | 55 | 85 | 5.21 |
| Stephen Tarpley | L | 29 | 3 | 3 | 4.61 | 30 | 1 | 41.0 | 39 | 21 | 5 | 24 | 43 | 4.64 |
| Stephen Nogosek | R | 27 | 3 | 3 | 4.73 | 36 | 2 | 45.7 | 42 | 24 | 7 | 23 | 53 | 4.49 |
| Kevin Gadea | R | 27 | 1 | 2 | 4.58 | 29 | 0 | 39.3 | 36 | 20 | 5 | 23 | 41 | 4.65 |
| Colin Holderman | R | 26 | 1 | 2 | 5.35 | 16 | 7 | 37.0 | 39 | 22 | 5 | 21 | 29 | 5.23 |
| Marcel Rentería | R | 27 | 2 | 3 | 4.93 | 23 | 2 | 45.7 | 44 | 25 | 7 | 25 | 43 | 5.13 |
| Zack Godley | R | 32 | 6 | 8 | 5.33 | 24 | 18 | 99.7 | 105 | 59 | 17 | 48 | 87 | 5.28 |
| Yeizo Campos | R | 26 | 2 | 2 | 4.92 | 30 | 3 | 56.7 | 59 | 31 | 9 | 22 | 44 | 5.02 |
| Franklyn Kilome | R | 27 | 3 | 4 | 5.32 | 21 | 10 | 64.3 | 65 | 38 | 9 | 39 | 55 | 5.25 |
| Jordan Yamamoto | R | 26 | 4 | 6 | 5.42 | 20 | 18 | 81.3 | 81 | 49 | 16 | 37 | 71 | 5.54 |
| Oscar De La Cruz | R | 27 | 4 | 5 | 5.35 | 22 | 12 | 74.0 | 79 | 44 | 13 | 35 | 60 | 5.42 |
| Cole Gordon | R | 26 | 3 | 4 | 5.43 | 21 | 12 | 68.0 | 69 | 41 | 12 | 37 | 60 | 5.52 |
| Josh Hejka | R | 25 | 1 | 2 | 4.68 | 33 | 0 | 57.7 | 64 | 30 | 8 | 18 | 36 | 4.83 |
| Justin Dillon | R | 28 | 4 | 5 | 5.42 | 20 | 12 | 74.7 | 82 | 45 | 14 | 28 | 53 | 5.48 |
| Tom Hackimer | R | 28 | 2 | 2 | 4.80 | 34 | 0 | 45.0 | 43 | 24 | 6 | 25 | 45 | 4.71 |
| Connor Grey | R | 28 | 4 | 5 | 5.48 | 17 | 11 | 69.0 | 76 | 42 | 14 | 27 | 53 | 5.63 |
| Thomas Szapucki | L | 26 | 2 | 2 | 5.66 | 14 | 11 | 49.3 | 50 | 31 | 9 | 28 | 47 | 5.47 |
| Andrew Edwards | L | 25 | 2 | 3 | 5.23 | 23 | 0 | 31.0 | 31 | 18 | 4 | 20 | 28 | 5.18 |
| Ryley Gilliam | R | 25 | 3 | 3 | 5.18 | 23 | 0 | 33.0 | 34 | 19 | 5 | 16 | 29 | 5.03 |
| Tony Dibrell | R | 26 | 5 | 7 | 5.60 | 18 | 16 | 80.3 | 83 | 50 | 13 | 50 | 67 | 5.67 |
| Yennsy Díaz | R | 25 | 4 | 7 | 5.42 | 32 | 10 | 79.7 | 83 | 48 | 15 | 40 | 66 | 5.63 |
| Troy Miller | R | 25 | 3 | 6 | 5.93 | 14 | 13 | 60.7 | 67 | 40 | 11 | 36 | 43 | 6.10 |
| Tom Windle | L | 30 | 3 | 4 | 5.61 | 32 | 0 | 33.7 | 34 | 21 | 6 | 24 | 30 | 6.03 |
| Vance Worley | R | 34 | 3 | 6 | 6.04 | 14 | 13 | 76.0 | 94 | 51 | 15 | 27 | 35 | 6.05 |
| Akeem Bostick | R | 27 | 2 | 4 | 6.11 | 20 | 10 | 66.3 | 73 | 45 | 15 | 33 | 54 | 6.12 |
| Alex Sanabia | R | 33 | 3 | 5 | 6.47 | 14 | 12 | 57.0 | 69 | 41 | 13 | 25 | 33 | 6.46 |
| Trey Cobb | R | 28 | 2 | 3 | 6.06 | 29 | 1 | 49.0 | 57 | 33 | 11 | 19 | 34 | 6.00 |
| Player | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | BB% | K% | BABIP | ERA+ | ERA- | WAR | No. 1 Comp |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Jacob deGrom | 12.7 | 2.0 | 0.8 | 5.8% | 36.5% | .273 | 180 | 56 | 4.5 | Tom Seaver |
| Max Scherzer | 12.3 | 2.3 | 1.3 | 6.3% | 34.1% | .280 | 134 | 75 | 3.9 | Curt Schilling |
| Joey Lucchesi | 9.2 | 3.0 | 1.2 | 8.0% | 24.2% | .290 | 105 | 95 | 1.6 | Bob Knepper |
| Edwin Díaz | 14.2 | 3.5 | 1.0 | 9.4% | 38.3% | .298 | 149 | 67 | 1.5 | Rob Dibble |
| Seth Lugo | 10.2 | 2.3 | 1.5 | 6.3% | 27.6% | .281 | 108 | 92 | 1.4 | Dennis Eckersley |
| Tylor Megill | 10.0 | 3.3 | 1.5 | 8.5% | 25.8% | .299 | 95 | 105 | 1.3 | Pascual Perez |
| Taijuan Walker | 8.7 | 3.2 | 1.4 | 8.3% | 22.6% | .284 | 93 | 108 | 1.3 | Pete Smith |
| Carlos Carrasco | 9.6 | 2.6 | 1.3 | 6.8% | 25.3% | .300 | 103 | 97 | 1.2 | Esteban Loaiza |
| Trevor Williams | 8.0 | 2.7 | 1.4 | 7.1% | 20.8% | .293 | 93 | 107 | 1.1 | Donne Wall |
| David Peterson | 8.2 | 3.6 | 1.1 | 9.3% | 20.9% | .287 | 97 | 103 | 1.1 | Ken Kravec |
| Trevor May | 12.1 | 3.6 | 1.2 | 9.5% | 32.2% | .295 | 115 | 87 | 0.6 | Kiko Calero |
| Miguel Castro | 10.8 | 5.2 | 0.9 | 13.3% | 27.5% | .284 | 107 | 94 | 0.5 | Bobby Castillo |
| Brad Hand | 10.3 | 3.5 | 1.2 | 9.1% | 26.8% | .289 | 109 | 92 | 0.5 | Jim Brewer |
| Josh Walker | 6.7 | 2.9 | 1.3 | 7.5% | 17.1% | .295 | 85 | 117 | 0.5 | Lee Guetterman |
| Alex Valverde | 8.2 | 4.1 | 1.1 | 10.3% | 20.6% | .292 | 92 | 108 | 0.4 | Eulogio Delacruz |
| Justin Lasko | 6.4 | 3.0 | 1.4 | 7.6% | 16.1% | .297 | 85 | 118 | 0.4 | Nate Cornejo |
| Rob Zastryzny | 8.3 | 3.7 | 1.3 | 9.3% | 21.1% | .301 | 91 | 110 | 0.4 | Will Brunson |
| Jose Rodriguez | 7.4 | 3.3 | 1.5 | 8.4% | 18.8% | .290 | 84 | 119 | 0.4 | John Hope |
| Sean Reid-Foley | 10.5 | 5.5 | 1.4 | 13.6% | 26.1% | .293 | 86 | 117 | 0.4 | Paul Abbott |
| Adam Oller | 8.0 | 3.9 | 1.5 | 9.7% | 20.0% | .297 | 82 | 122 | 0.3 | Greg Roscoe |
| Jose Butto | 7.1 | 3.1 | 1.5 | 7.8% | 17.9% | .296 | 82 | 122 | 0.3 | Don Schulze |
| Antonio Santos | 7.0 | 3.3 | 1.3 | 8.4% | 17.8% | .292 | 87 | 115 | 0.2 | Eric Moody |
| Robert Stock | 9.4 | 4.8 | 1.2 | 11.9% | 23.4% | .298 | 89 | 112 | 0.2 | Bryce Florie |
| Robert Gsellman | 7.2 | 3.2 | 1.3 | 8.2% | 18.2% | .291 | 92 | 109 | 0.1 | Jeremy Ward |
| Dellin Betances | 11.6 | 5.3 | 1.3 | 13.4% | 29.1% | .288 | 101 | 99 | 0.1 | Tim Stoddard |
| Corey Oswalt | 8.0 | 2.7 | 1.9 | 6.9% | 20.6% | .294 | 81 | 123 | 0.1 | Ryan Hawblitzel |
| Drew Smith | 9.5 | 3.5 | 1.5 | 9.0% | 24.7% | .284 | 95 | 105 | 0.1 | Cris Carpenter |
| Eric Orze | 8.4 | 3.3 | 1.3 | 8.5% | 21.6% | .295 | 97 | 103 | 0.1 | John Doherty |
| Nate Fisher | 6.9 | 3.2 | 1.2 | 8.1% | 17.4% | .301 | 88 | 113 | 0.1 | Brian Henderson |
| Brian Metoyer | 10.3 | 5.3 | 0.8 | 13.2% | 25.7% | .301 | 99 | 101 | 0.1 | Rafael Pimentel |
| Willy Taveras | 6.9 | 2.6 | 1.4 | 6.7% | 17.8% | .296 | 89 | 112 | 0.1 | Matt Schwager |
| Alec Kisena | 7.6 | 4.6 | 1.3 | 11.3% | 18.7% | .300 | 80 | 125 | 0.0 | Julio Santana |
| Mitch Ragan | 6.6 | 3.3 | 1.2 | 8.3% | 16.7% | .294 | 92 | 108 | 0.0 | Rocky Childress |
| Andrew Mitchell | 8.7 | 3.7 | 1.1 | 9.4% | 22.2% | .294 | 95 | 106 | 0.0 | Dave Rucker |
| Jake Reed | 9.4 | 3.8 | 1.4 | 9.6% | 23.9% | .296 | 91 | 109 | 0.0 | Turk Wendell |
| Roel Ramírez | 9.0 | 4.3 | 1.2 | 10.9% | 22.7% | .297 | 91 | 109 | 0.0 | Jose Vargas |
| Bryce Montes de Oca | 9.6 | 4.9 | 1.0 | 12.3% | 24.0% | .293 | 93 | 107 | 0.0 | Steve Rain |
| Heath Hembree | 12.0 | 3.9 | 1.8 | 10.1% | 31.3% | .287 | 93 | 107 | 0.0 | Rich DeLucia |
| Arodys Vizcaíno | 10.5 | 4.5 | 1.5 | 11.4% | 26.6% | .289 | 91 | 109 | 0.0 | John Hudek |
| Bradley Roney | 10.3 | 4.9 | 1.3 | 12.3% | 26.2% | .290 | 93 | 108 | 0.0 | Tyler Yates |
| Jesús Reyes | 7.5 | 4.8 | 1.3 | 11.8% | 18.3% | .296 | 79 | 126 | 0.0 | Steve Green |
| Stephen Tarpley | 9.4 | 5.3 | 1.1 | 12.9% | 23.1% | .306 | 89 | 112 | 0.0 | Bobby Sprowl |
| Stephen Nogosek | 10.4 | 4.5 | 1.4 | 11.4% | 26.4% | .302 | 87 | 115 | -0.1 | Mark Corey |
| Kevin Gadea | 9.4 | 5.3 | 1.1 | 13.1% | 23.3% | .295 | 90 | 111 | -0.1 | Santiago Ramirez |
| Colin Holderman | 7.1 | 5.1 | 1.2 | 12.4% | 17.1% | .301 | 77 | 130 | -0.1 | Ricky Steik |
| Marcel Rentería | 8.5 | 4.9 | 1.4 | 12.1% | 20.9% | .289 | 84 | 120 | -0.1 | Ryan Baker |
| Zack Godley | 7.9 | 4.3 | 1.5 | 10.6% | 19.3% | .300 | 77 | 129 | -0.1 | Alan Benes |
| Yeizo Campos | 7.0 | 3.5 | 1.4 | 8.8% | 17.6% | .291 | 84 | 120 | -0.1 | Arty Santos |
| Franklyn Kilome | 7.7 | 5.5 | 1.3 | 13.2% | 18.6% | .296 | 77 | 129 | -0.1 | Dan Kolb |
| Jordan Yamamoto | 7.9 | 4.1 | 1.8 | 10.2% | 19.7% | .280 | 76 | 132 | -0.2 | Dave Swartzbaugh |
| Oscar De La Cruz | 7.3 | 4.3 | 1.6 | 10.5% | 18.0% | .297 | 77 | 130 | -0.2 | Nick Masset |
| Cole Gordon | 7.9 | 4.9 | 1.6 | 12.0% | 19.4% | .291 | 76 | 132 | -0.2 | Craig Weissmann |
| Josh Hejka | 5.6 | 2.8 | 1.2 | 7.1% | 14.2% | .298 | 88 | 114 | -0.2 | Brian Allen |
| Justin Dillon | 6.4 | 3.4 | 1.7 | 8.4% | 16.0% | .292 | 76 | 132 | -0.2 | Jed Murray |
| Tom Hackimer | 9.0 | 5.0 | 1.2 | 12.4% | 22.3% | .298 | 86 | 117 | -0.2 | Ryan Houston |
| Connor Grey | 6.9 | 3.5 | 1.8 | 8.7% | 17.2% | .294 | 75 | 133 | -0.2 | Jed Murray |
| Thomas Szapucki | 8.6 | 5.1 | 1.6 | 12.4% | 20.9% | .295 | 73 | 137 | -0.3 | John Bale |
| Andrew Edwards | 8.1 | 5.8 | 1.2 | 13.9% | 19.4% | .300 | 79 | 127 | -0.3 | Mike Venafro |
| Ryley Gilliam | 7.9 | 4.4 | 1.4 | 10.7% | 19.5% | .299 | 79 | 126 | -0.3 | Chris Demouy |
| Tony Dibrell | 7.5 | 5.6 | 1.5 | 13.4% | 18.0% | .294 | 73 | 136 | -0.3 | Elvin Nina |
| Yennsy Díaz | 7.5 | 4.5 | 1.7 | 11.1% | 18.3% | .289 | 76 | 132 | -0.4 | Dennis Konuszewski |
| Troy Miller | 6.4 | 5.3 | 1.6 | 12.7% | 15.1% | .295 | 69 | 144 | -0.5 | Jon Leicester |
| Tom Windle | 8.0 | 6.4 | 1.6 | 15.1% | 18.9% | .289 | 73 | 136 | -0.5 | Tim Adkins |
| Vance Worley | 4.1 | 3.2 | 1.8 | 7.8% | 10.1% | .298 | 68 | 147 | -0.7 | Brian Moehler |
| Akeem Bostick | 7.3 | 4.5 | 2.0 | 10.9% | 17.8% | .293 | 67 | 148 | -0.8 | Pedro Guzman |
| Alex Sanabia | 5.2 | 3.9 | 2.1 | 9.5% | 12.5% | .296 | 64 | 157 | -0.8 | R.A. Dickey |
| Trey Cobb | 6.2 | 3.5 | 2.0 | 8.6% | 15.4% | .297 | 68 | 147 | -0.9 | Alan Benes |
Players are listed with their most recent teams wherever possible. This includes players who are unsigned, players who will miss 2022 due to injury, and players who were released in 2021. So yes, if you see Joe Schmoe, who quit baseball back in August to form a big band orchestra that only plays nu-metal versions of baroque cantatas, he’s still listed here intentionally. ZiPS is assuming a league with an ERA of 4.36, similar to the post-June substance-enforcement environment.
Both hitters and pitchers are ranked by projected zWAR, which is to say, WAR values as calculated by me, Dan Szymborski, whose surname is spelled with a z. WAR values might differ slightly from those that appear in the full release of ZiPS. Finally, I will advise anyone against — and might karate chop anyone guilty of — merely adding up WAR totals on a depth chart to produce projected team WAR. ZiPS is assuming that the designated hitter will continue in force in 2022.
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Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.
Thank you Dan, very cool!
If this team stayed healthy, they’d be unstoppable, but between deGrom, Scherzer, Marte, and Nimmo, there are a lot of injury risks here. Even Lindor wasn’t healthy last year. I would guess that this team has the single largest spread of outcomes in the entire ZiPs series. There are so many players here who range from consistent to elite when healthy, so it’s not to imagine anything between 75 and 105 wins. Which is…a lot.
put me squarely in the camp of significantly under 105 wins. that just aint happenin
105 wins is certainly unlikely, but if we take 90 wins as the median projection, which is about where the current Depth Charts have them using Steamer, I could see the Mets being one of the most likely teams to be either 15 wins better or worse than that.
James McCann and Robinson Cano could have 2 win seasons instead of 1 win seasons (or they could be below replacement level). Lindor could go supernova again and put up 6.5 instead of 4.5. Alonso could have a 5 win season, like his rookie year, instead of a 4-win season. Marte could have 5 wins instead of 3, which would still be under what he did last year. Escobar could have 3 WAR, like he has each of the past 3 full seasons, instead of the projected 2. Canha could put up 3 instead of 2. And Nimmo could put up a 4-win season. (He did better than that the only time so far he played more than 100 games).
That is 10 more wins right there. And they could certainly outperform base runs by 5 games. I am not saying it is likely or should be expected that all these players overperform. It is very rare for a team to go full 2021 Giants. They could just as easily underperform. I do think there are a lot of players like these on the Mets that wouldn’t shock me if they overperform, because they have done it in the not-too-distant past and are mostly not in the steep decline years.
In addition to everything you wrote here…
I wouldn’t project a team for more than 100 wins unless it was truly a superteam, and I don’t think there are any superteams left. But I would guess that the Mets are going to be projected as one of the Top 5 teams in baseball, behind the Dodgers and in the same range as the Yankees, Blue Jays, and Astros. But the downside is enormous too. It could happen, but I don’t think it’s very likely that the Yankees, Blue Jays, or Astros finish with a losing record. The Mets? I can see how it happens. This team is real old, and there are a lot of very good players who seem to spend a lot of time hurt.
If everyone is healthy on this team, they should beat many teams badly. But they will get hurt cause they just do. So, it seems like WHEN they get hurt is key. If the hitters get hurt while DeGrom, Scherzer, and the rest of the rotation is healthy. They still win a slight majority of those games because Scherzer and DeGrom do not need run support to win. If DeGrom misses 10 starts when most of the rest of the team is healthy then they could easily weather those 10 starts. The pitching replacement is almost average, and the offense is still deadly. But if several hitters are out when deGrom misses 10 then they lose most of those 10.
The “pitching replacement” is extremely poor. It projects to be significantly worse than 2021’s projections while also missing several of last season’s useful contributors. The Mets are currently planning to give 110-plus starts to Carrasco, Peterson, Walker, and Megill, and if you take their median projections for passable starts (meaning shoving Walker to the mound for the entire second half despite a 6.60 ERA is not allowed), those four are only going to give the Mets around 55 starts, total. In addition, please name another ostensible contender that’s even close to that weak after its front two starters.
This is a team that for 2021 pretended Yamamoto et al, a pack of guys with FIPs over 5.25, constituted pitching ‘depth,’ and they have a ton of work to do just to be that bad again—they’re going to give their #7s and worse about 1/3 of the team’s starts, if they’re lucky.
The Mets just aren’t close to ready. Imagine a well-run team with dismal pitching depth giving $43m AAV to Scherzer instead of two from the Gausman, Ray, Stroman tier. It’s preposterous. The Cohen Mets simply don’t know how to do both of: (1) throw money at the problem of creating legitimacy, and (2) do that well.
Umm….haters gonna hate, of course, but isn’t the team supposed to throw money at the problem of creating legitimacy? Doesn’t having the highest WAR projection for starting pitching (and the projections do kinda like Tylor Megill) count for something?
Last year, the Mets lost DeGrom for half the year, Syndergaard for the year, and Carrasco for half the season. Lucchesi was looking better when he blew up. They were getting lauded for the dpeth they’d created in spring training: Lucchesi, Yamamoto, and Peterson were competing for the 5th/6th/7th slots. You can’t sign guys for $8 million to long relieve. Depth is always going to be tricky–ask the Padres. So I’m not sure the team had a poor ROSTER last year, but they did have terrible injury luck (and we can argue that injury management should be better on this team, but that’s a different point).
I doubt the Mets go into the season with Megill/Peterson at the back of the rotation. But really one solid guy could push those two into the 6/7 slots and Williams isn’t a bad swingman.
They tried to sign Gausman in addition to Scherzer he left money on the table to sign with Toronto.
It’s a good thing the season doesn’t start tomorrow. I can guarantee you the Mets will bring in more pitching. And if the Mets “just aren’t close to ready”, then there’s only about 6 teams in baseball who are “ready”.
Push the payroll of another 20 teams to $285m or whatever you think the Mets are going to spend in 2022, they’ll be ‘ready,’ too.
What’s interesting is I feel the two NY teams have the highest variance of pretty much any clubs at this point.
Part of that is that they both have a ton of talent, and it’s a lot easier to fall from being great because everyone got hurt than to overperform across the board. But the Yankees rotation is Cole, Montgomery, and ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, so they could really fall apart fast. Also, their three best hitters all have huge injury histories (Judge, Gallo, and Stanton), and Voit and Hicks and Sanchez also get hurt a lot . So there are world where things go south in a hurry. And the Mets…well, we’ve already covered the Mets. Huge talent if everyone stays healthy, but it’s hard to see how.
Yes. Related to that, the variance on the Yankees is higher because their pitching was actually quite strong in 2021. They were second in the AL in fWAR. That often surprises some people because they’re focused on just starters, while more innings keep getting pushed to the bullpen. The Yankees under Cashman always build strong bullpens, and I suspect that again will be the case in 2022. Problem is if collectively the pitching staff regresses, and the hitting doesn’t pick up, then this is a team that will trend toward the 80s in wins. If they get an uptick in hitting and their pitching holds, they’re trending toward 100. I’d feel more comfortable in the Mets situation having a staff led by DeGrom and Scherzer, but don’t underestimate the impact of a mediocre bullpen, or injuries/regression to the starters.
i feel like i roll my eyes every year when the mets projections / predictions come out. No doubt, this is the best mets team in more than a decade (2015 was a fluke, last in offense going in to all star break), but i’m not on board with the hype.
Their top projected offensive player is lindor, which should be a red flag for what people are suggesting is some sort of superteam. so right off the bat your best position player is a dude who hasn’t turned in a good offensive season in 3 years.
no profound insights here, but as much as i love max and degrom, i just don’t see them staying healthy! would love to see them do it though.
In spite of my eye rolling, i thank the projections industrial complex for every year ensuring that the mets laugh factory reaches new heights. Its truly one of my favorite things about being a baseball fan. can’t wait for simple steve to lose his mind when the team is .500 at the allstar break.
Hmm….I get the pessimism, as per Dan’s first paragraph, and there’s good reason to suspect older players won’t hit their projections. But Lindor would be the best player on a lot of good teams, and he’s not shouldering the load in the way other stars & scrubs teams are (Alonso, McNeil, Nimmo, Escobar, and Marte are likely to turn in solid seasons if Lindor isn’t his 2018 self). I don’t see Lindor’s position being the primary hinge in an argument about the Mets underperforming projections.
i understand your point about lindor not being the hinge, but its still a bit strange to see the “#1 guy” be someone that the vast majority of people don’t have confidence in anymore
Lots of people lost confidence in Beltran in his first year as a Mets and look at his rebound from there and Lindor rebounded from June til the end of the season after an awful April and May.
Tbf…tbf…the vast majority revel in misery, at least kinda suck (and are probably most obsessed with his contract)
and i got curious and looked into if lindor would be the best player on ANY team, not just good ones, and by my evaluation here are the teams he’d be the best position player on:
-Cubs
-Rockies
-Dbacks (maybe not with a healthy Ketel)
-Brewers (unless the new Willy is here to stay)
-Mariners (until julio comes up)
So Yeah i dont know about that! there are dozens of players i’d rather have anchoring my team
I’m not sure that everyone’s lost confidence in Lindor–projections don’t have moods, which is why they’re usually (within error bars) pretty accurate.
I appreciate that you followed up my point with this list, but a 4.7 WAR = very good player, and I think you’re putting the narrative of Lindor’s decline over the numbers….and I’d argue Alonso, Degrom, and Scherzer are at least as much anchors as Lindor. Now there ARE some concerns around all of them, and I’m not super-confident about this team despite bleeding blue & orange. I just don’t think Lindor’s the problem.
There are only 18 position players projected for 4.7 wins or more by Steamer, so if ZiPs has as similar distribution then that’s what we got. Of those, one of them doesn’t have a team yet (Correa) and six of them are on three teams (Padres, Blue Jays, and Dodgers). So by the projection here, he’d be the “best” position player on about half the teams in the league, some of whom have pretty good position players (A’s, Cards…not so much the Brewers, although they’re a pretty good team overall).
The key to this is “by the projections.” I’ve long been skeptical of the expectations that players who are super good in the early 20s just continue to go up and up, and a monster season in your early 20s makes it so that the projections will cut you a lot of slack going forward. The evidence for Lindor being a 4.7 win shortstop this year is that it was what he did in 2019, and in 2018 he was awesome, and he was over 5 wins in the couple years before that, and he’s only 28. Since he’s essentially been a 3+ win player in 2020 and 2021, I’ll take the under on 4.7 wins.
yeah i suppose the biggest thing is i really don’t buy the projection
It shouldn’t be that hard to square up Lindor’s projection.
From May 28th to the EOY Lindor posted a wRC+ of 127, vs an awful 61 up to that point. That date may seem arbitrary, but in aligns with the entire team-wide dynamic of having an amazing pitching staff / terrible offense up to that point in time. Something changed with the team/stadium/whatever right around that date, and it affected more than just Lindor. His career wRC+ is 117, so he was for all intents a better hitting version of himself for the final 2/3rds of last season, as hard as that is to believe.
Secondly, UZR/150 saw him as a below-average defensive SS last year, while DRS viewed him as a positive and OAA viewed him as the 2nd best defender in all of baseball (not just at SS, but any position). If fWAR integrated OAA instead of UZR you’d be looking at a vastly higher WAR value for 2021.
(Aside: can someone take UZR out behind the shed and put it out of its misery already?)
All in all, he was much better last year than he WAR would lead one to believe.
OAA is the biggest reason to think he’s got a shot of being that guy. OAA is much better than UZR or DRS for infielders. The only reason we’re still using UZR is for historical purposes (since it only goes back to…2014? something like that) and because OAA doesn’t incorporate throwing in the outfield. It would be super neat to have an OAA-based WAR when we’re not doing historical comparisons.
As for the bat, I think you can slice it a few different ways but in general if you cut anyone’s performance into a small enough chunk they’ll look good. This isn’t nearly as egregious as talking about Michael Wacha’s September, but there’s no reason to think that the second half was any more of what he’ll do in the future than the first half. He doesn’t actually need to hit better than he did last season in order to be one of the better shortstops in the league, but to hit 4.7 wins he’ll have to be at least 15% above league average.
I certainly appreciate the danger in slicing up someone’s performance, but I think it is relevant for Lindor because his shift from bad to good very closely coincided with major shifts in teamwide dynamics.
Right around June 1st both the RA & RS went up for the Mets as a team. It happened again around the ASB as well, as the Met offense suddenly shifted to above-average (compared to their historically awful April/May) while the pitching tanked hard. In turn you see very similar trend-shifts at the same points in time with multiple Mets on both sides of the ball.
I see what you’re saying here, but as one old baseball saying goes, Lindor does “own” those huge seasons, and he’s not to the point on the aging curve where we can discount the talent that produced those seasons. As David Klein pointed out, a HOF-talent like Beltran had a poor first season in New York but bounced back to the level he established in KC. I would guess it’d take multiple seasons of below 3-WAR to make systems predict that a player with Lindor’s superlatives was declining or couldn’t sustain a high-level performance.
The big reason to think the old Lindor might be gone is that (1) he appears to have lost some athleticism, as shown by his sprint numbers on statcast and (2) his power surge coincided with the introduction of the super-bouncy ball. Although even then, the jury is out whether he’s just not a 5.5 win player anymore or he’s really a 3-win player. I’d split the difference a lot closer to 4 wins.
I’m not super high on Lindor either but his defense gives him a nice floor. I’d be surprised if he doesn’t turn in a 4+ WAR season if healthy.
Curious who are you projecting as better on the Orioles? Mullins?
Royals?
Marlins?
Tigers?
There’s also an argument he would be the best position player on the White Sox (I’d probably go with Robert here), Reds, Cardinals, and Twins (factoring in health for Buxton).
yeah i guess my brain can’t handle processing that a 105 wrc + 4 win season is as good as others make it out to be. i will admit i definitely have a bias against defense overvaluation and positional adjustments. So, definitely would take mullins over lindor. Would rather have candelario (hot take, i know). I’d take sal perez 2021 over lindor 2021 (but not necessarily expecting the same to be true this year). Marlins was an oversight, meant to type it but forgot. Although tbh i might prefer to have jazz on my team moving forward.
As for the last crop, in addition to robert i’d also probably take moancada over lindor at this point. cardinals – literally several players. goldy, nolan, oneill. i wouldn’t rather have bader or edman although they’re certainly close to lindor’s 2021 showing. twins was buxton. for the reds i included castellanos cause he hasn’t signed anywhere. but india should be good too, probably pretty close to lindor’s value.
I really like Jonathan India, but if someone wanted to bet me money that he’ll outperform Lindor I’d take that in a minute.
The Dom Smith projection is depressing after the big 2019 and 2020 seasons, but I would take that slash from Jeff McNeil in a heartbeat (he’s probably the most important bounce-back option the Mets need, plus or minus Carrasco). I’m also pleased to see Francisco Alvarez already projected for a 100 OPS+. But please, Uncle Steve, bring us a reliable starter for Valentine’s Day!
I was surprised they tendered him a contract honestly. The small sample of success was fun, but overall we’re looking at over 1200 MLB PA with a 105 wRC+ and 1.1 WAR. Statcast says he cannot be allowed to play the field with -17 OAA in LF and -11 at 1B.
I’d like to be wrong, but I don’t see a major leaguer here
I see a platoon DH for a team like the Rays or Pirates.
He has a career 102 wRC+ against RHP. That’s sub-replacement level as a DH
His career numbers aren’t great, but he’s also a guy who had a wRC+ of 130+ in his two of his five seasons, and a guy whose numbers improved every season that he played until last year. I think he’s still hard to project, given that he still doesn’t have more than 500PA in a single season
And his 1B defensive numbers aren’t exactly built on a robust sample of consistent playing time. OAA shows that only 2 players have had more than 150 attempts at 1B for the Mets from 2018-2021: Pete Alonso and Wilmer Flores. So, in the last 4 seasons, Dom has had fewer attempts at 1B than Flores had in 2018 alone; pretty unfair to judge his defense based on that.
Who knows how he’ll do this year, or how much playing time he’ll even get. But if the Mets had non-tendered him, he would have been a prime candidate for a bounceback season with another team, and the Mets would have nothing to show for it. If nothing else, they should showcase him at ST and try to trade him.
Well if he played half-way decent defense he probably would have got more reps there.
I hear what you’re saying, and I’d agree if the metrics said he was merely bad, but in Smith’s case they say he’s utterly atrocious. When they’re that bad I pay attention even in such a small sample
I’m kind of surprised that any projection column about the Mets can get by without discussing Lindor, McNeil, Dom Smith, and JD Davis. The pitching is easier to project: there will be injuries and missed time from the big name starters, the bullpen will be okay, but the lineup is the huge question mark here and it’s really due to the uncertainty of those four.
Also: Seth Lugo’s top comp is Eckersley?
I don’t think Smith & Davis are keys to the offense: neither projects to play full-time (though both could easily get to 500 at-bats, I don’t think they will unless they’re playing well). Lindor’s projection makes sense & McNeil’s is a step down from his peak but still solid: each of these feels reasonable.
The Eckersley comp got a smile out of me too,
Looks like a great team on paper. Like others have said, health is the big question. deGrom and Scherzer are all-timers but I just don’t know how many innings you can expect to get out of them. This team could benefit from an innings eater a la Bartolo Colon from 2014-16. Heck, Bartolo himself is still out there maybe they should just bring him back. His body was made to hold up to the grind of 162.
Not just innings; Bartolo ate many, many things from 2014-16.
I’d love to get a ZIPS projection on Colon, who is 49 years old and was last seen putting up a 6.14 ERA in 2017-18.
Could he be our first ever 9.00 ERA projection?
ZiPS obviously hasn’t seen the videos on Instagram of Bartolo with his 69 inch biceps mowing down those kids in the Dominican Republic.
that’s a bit too high. He knows how to pitch!
Pitching comps are interesting. Imagine a staff led by Seaver and Schilling (forget politics) with Eckersley and Dibble in the pen.
…then giving 115 starts to Justin Nicolino.
Even though he has begun throwing, Joey Lucchesi will not pitch in MLB in 2022. Why is he included?
It explains it in the article.
I get the concern with deGrom and health, but he did make 12 (projects to 32 over a full season), 32, 32, and 31 starts the 4 years prior. Two hundred innings probably isn’t happening ever again but then it isn’t happening for very many guys any more with only 4 guys hitting that mark last year.
BTW, fun fact I had not realized but learned while I was looking up stuff on deGrom – the career leader in K/9 is Robbie Ray and it’s not particularly close. He’s at 11.21, Sale is at 11.08 and Darvish at 11.07. deGrom is 4th at 10.74
Wow! A rotation made of Tom Seaver and Curt Schilling and a reliever with the back end bullpen comparing to Dennis Eckersley!
I’d bet the over in war and wRC+ for Nimmo even in 90 games last year he was worth almost 4 war , and since 2018 he’s been nearly 40 above average by wRC+ the health is always a worry but I’m confident in the offensive performance. I’d bet McNeil rebounds and put up a 125 wRC+ just gotta get more line drives and much less ground balls. I have no idea what Carrasco gives the Mets at his age and coming off a injury plagued year and that’s a shame because I was almost as excited about getting him as I was Lindor. I would bet the over on Scherzer’s war and slightly over in innings. I’ve been high on Megill since early in the minor league season and think he could be a solid number three or four starter even this year and I can see Carrasco and Walker missing time and Megill sticking in the rotation most of the year. The Mets need another starter for sure too bad Gausman didn’t take their offer as reportedly the Mets outbid the Jays offer and wanted to sign him in addition to Scherzer. The rest of the offseason they should sign Chafin, Mchugh, extend Nimmo and get another starter via trade or free agency. I really like the Canha, Escobar and Marte signing and can see them outperforming their projections by a smidge. As far as McCann this was a horrid signing from day one and one of the worst signings of Alderson’s lengthy career if not the worst.
Canó seems terrible and should not make it out of ST. At best he could be a PH specialist. Alvarez at -7 defense sounds almost unplayable at C
Well he’s a 20 year old who never played above A+, so I don’t think there’s any expectation of him being playable at C right now. The scouting reports are fairly positive though!
Clay Davenport’s defensive stats have him at -7 in about half a year. So he did not have a good year there. It’ll be interesting to see what Eric says about him in the updated report; he has plenty of time to run it around, and catchers do take a bit longer to really learn how to play the position. I wouldn’t be as worried about him as I am about, say, Marco Luciano (who seems like a lock to wind up in right field).
You win this thread, Sadtrombone, for your excellent research skills. I’m just here trying to prop up my Mets optimism.
Tom Seaver comp, sick.
The comps are my favorite part of these projections
If Michael Conforto’s comp is Paul O’Neil, then the Yankees should be ringing his agent right after the lockout ends. That said, they seem to be different type of hitters. Much more swing-and-miss in Confort’s gain, less BA, even accounting for the current evolution (devolution?) of hitting in the game.
The comps are always fun to look at. DeGrom’s comp to Tom Seaver seems perfectly appropriate, and the Scherzer/Schilling comp feels right too. The Lindor/Harrah comp feels very wrong! : -)
Harrah was a weak defensive SS and Lindor is very good defensively, but the comps are not based on that. Harrah was an awesome hitter for a SS. he played 17 seasons and hit above 120 wRC seven times during one of the weaker offensive times in baseball (the 70s and early 80s). He finished with a career wRC of 116 over 17 seasons, but he had two dead years at the bigging of his career where he got over 800 at bats and played a full year to long that really kill his career stats. Take those out and the career averages are very strong for his time. Frankly, he easily fits into the hall of very good. It’s a strong hitting comp if you ask me.
Harrah is a perfect example of a pre-sabermetric guy that was probably significantly underrated in his time. Played on small market teams, wasn’t a great fielder but WAS athletic enough to play SS early in his career without sucking too bad, drew a lot of walks, wasn’t great at any one other thing but did a lot of things well (at least with the bat) – BA wasn’t horrible and even good a few years, a little power (especially for the 70’s/80’s) but not a lot, ran the bases well.
If you use FG’s default Qualified leaderboard and search for top SS of the 1970’s, Harrah comes in 4th and he did play quite a bit more SS than 3B in the 70’s (803G/6,671 innings at SS vs 472/3,884 at 3B). But he’s only 4th because his glove dragged him down, if you sort by Off Runs he is the leader by a loooooooooooooot. Arguably the best hitting SS of the 70’s
Not buying the McNeil number. Pretty surprised actually.
And unless Nimmo misses half the season, oh wait….
The Nimmo projection includes a hit in playing time. The McNeil takes into account the previous three seasons in addition to the last one. People seem to forget that McNeil was #22 on the trade value list last year–this was a guy considered really valuable.
Eno’s article on The Athletic suggests that McNeil was being shifted differently, and–big IF coming–should he change his approach a little, this is an achievable projection.
Almost no one seems to have noticed that McNeil will be 30, was badly injured in the minors, missing most of two years, and has been getting hurt of late–a lot. A terrific player at his peak, he may simply be on his way out of pro ball. He has many of the symptoms of an ‘old 30,’ unfortunately. For want of better options, if I were the Mets FO I’d be okay penciling Jeff in as the starting 2Bman, but I wouldn’t be excited about it. They could really use Villar v.2021 back, or swing a primarily salary-eating deal for Ha-Seong Kim if the Padres are interested. If JDD’s various difficulties plague him again and McNeil really is on his way out, picking up a 2Bman on the fly or living with Guillorme will cost.
I both can (what just a miserable existence this artificially is, does anybody playing adult in our garbage so-ciety/culture just like anything anymore?) and can’t believe most of the comments are about whether Francisco Lindor is actually good….Stunned the lean is Actually he’s Not That Good
It’s so gd easy for our overlords. Sucks I can’t join them, plebs are so done and whaaaaat a bunch of suckers. No wonder everyone is just fodder for whatever a job is now and lives with the understanding that their company has more Value to our great and grand so-ciety than their puny barely there existence ever will. We are enlightened!
How many generations have to go before no one cares about pro sports anymore? Let’s speed up the process so maybe some Future(!!) generation has a shot at sanity
I’ll have what SenorGato is having, please.
Per the other day, he’s having weed and COVID. If you’re ordering, I suggest the former and not the latter.
Thanks for the tip.
“It’s so gd easy for our overlords. Sucks I can’t join them, plebs are so done and whaaaaat a bunch of suckers. No wonder everyone is just fodder for whatever a job is now and lives with the understanding that their company has more Value to our great and grand so-ciety than their puny barely there existence ever will. We are enlightened!”
I….uh…what? Something, something Lindor, something something communist revolution, something something just another brick in the wall, brother.
(Besides, you can’t just run your own stream of consciousness from Serbian to Vietnamese and back! That’s not how this works, that’s not how any of this works! There’s a guy for that.)