The Giants’ Next Foe? The Giants.

Congratulations are in order to the San Francisco Giants and their fan base. The reduced period between the postseason conclusion and hot stove introduction will not temper the enthusiasm or vigor of celebrations, but does have serious implications for the Giants’ 2011 roster. As it stands, the Giants will see Aubrey Huff, Pat Burrell, Edgar Renteria, and Juan Uribe hit the open market come Sunday. Renteria will be by team choice; otherwise, the Giants would have to exercise his option worth more than eight figures, thus he’s sort of invisible in the re-signing discussions.

Now the Giants’ challenge is to avoid the post-championship re-signings fueled by the rush of emotion and clinginess. By doing so, that does not mean closing the doors to re-signing any (or all) of the aforementioned players. What it does mean is to approach these negotiations as rational agents. That does not mean they have to take up the most dynamic analytical approaches either, just that placing some logic on their checkbooks should prevent buyer’s remorse. If the Giants’ management absolutely positively must keep this group together, then overpaying the players with some of the added revenue is a better tradeoff than giving them lengthier deals.

Here’s what they’re dealing with:

Uribe is the youngest of the aforementioned trio at 31. He’s hit .261/.312/.443 over the last three years while playing good defense. He hit .248/.310/.440 this season and continued to play good defense. In other words, he is what he played like. The biggest concern in a lengthy deal might not be Uribe’s age – although one would certainly hope the Giants do not hand him a five-year deal or anything near that – but rather his work ethic. There is a reason he landed with the Giants on a minor league deal and the reason was not that he was a prisoner of an ignorant front office.

Burrell turned 34 a matter of weeks ago. His bat played like it came from the 2008 season upon joining the Giants – his World Series struggles notwithstanding. Burrell’s career flat lined the last time he won a World Series and then entered free agency and much of the same concerns that existed then still reign true. Namely, that Burrell’s three true outcomes skill set rarely ages well and his poor defensive efforts limit his overall value. Those concerns sunk his desirability through the market, and that was before he put up a .218/.311/.361 line in 572 plate appearances with the Rays.

Burrell seems unlikely to return given the Giants’ contract and outfield situations for 2011. Ignoring their farm system, one has to account for Aaron Rowand, Andres Torres, Cody Ross, and Nate Schierholtz. There’s the returning Mark DeRosa too, who figures to play the outfield instead of the infield, depending on what happens with Uribe and Pablo Sandoval. With so many moving parts, it’s just hard to see Burrell fitting in.

Finally, there’s Huff. He turns 34 years old near the end of the year and had the best season of the three. Huff does not offer the defensive ability or flexibility of Uribe, but is willing to play the corner outfield or first base. That versatility along with essentially equal offensive abilities and no gimp costumes in Huff’s closet make him the one to re-sign if the Giants have to choose.

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Simply re-signing these players will not be a crime. Giving them inflated deals to celebrate the title is. The championship prizes are rings and trophies, not silly extensions.





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Kevin Manley
15 years ago

The last three sentences sum it up perfectly.

Beau
15 years ago

The other big question is what they choose to do with Sandoval. Can they realistically plan for him to play 3B when he couldn’t play reliably in the playoffs.

pitnick
15 years ago
Reply to  Beau

The good thing here is Ryan Rohlinger. It isn’t time to count Sandoval out, but, worst case scenario, if he shows up to spring training heavier than ever and still anxious and lost at the plate, the Giants at least have a good defensive 3B with pretty impressive minor league numbers waiting in the wings.

Doug
15 years ago
Reply to  pitnick

Rohlinger will never be a starting mlb third baseman.

Bhaakon
15 years ago
Reply to  pitnick

I’d rather see Aubrey Huff back at the hot corner.

pitnick
15 years ago
Reply to  pitnick

Why do you say that, Doug?

Win_it_again_in_2011
15 years ago
Reply to  pitnick

Rohlinger won’t hit…..

Paul Thomas
15 years ago

Actually, the championship prize includes its own fairly significant monetary reward, too. Buster Posey’s bonus will likely be more than twice what he got paid this season.

It’s obviously far less significant for the guys like Zito who are already rolling in dough. But, hey, half a million ain’t exactly chump change.

I’m not sure how Rowand affects the calculus of the outfield very much. He’s getting paid a ton of money, but he’s not very good anymore. Don’t you just have to put him down as an expensive fourth outfielder? I suppose you could platoon him and Schierholtz, but… blech. I think Huff is more expendable than Burrell, given the sheer number of similarly middling 1B candidates on the market this offseason.

jponrye
15 years ago

I think they will re-sign Huff, but I’m not sure about the rest of them.

obsessivegiantscompulsive
15 years ago

Really need to be a close fan to comment cogently on situation.

Burrell has already told a local newspaper late in the season that he’s willing to come back to the team as a bench player. This is his childhood team, he lived the dream this season, and wants to continue, apparently, at low rent.

Huff and Burrell are the best of friends, and was always talking about ending their careers together. Huff has loved being with SF, said that this was his best season ever by far, in terms of happiness. And he got into playoffs for first time and with this pitching staff, should for years to come. His numbers are denigrated but he basically had 900 OPS in 2 of last 3 seasons, and average NL 1B has 813 OPS in 2010. His OPS would have been 4th in NL for 1B had he spent all his playing time there instead of moving around. And his defense was not as bad as everyone painted it to be.

That’s probably because this is the first time he got himself into shape during the off-season. One of his coaches from 2009 noted that he got himself notably in better shape in off-season. That would explain his better defense and better hitting as well.

In addition, he’s probably not going to ask for the moon. Given his age and prior contract, a 2 year, $12M deal like Sanchez and DeRosa got last season would probably do the trick and that is OK given his production. He only got $16M for 2 years three years ago, so he can’t expect a bigger contract in this economy. And as I noted, he’s the happiest he’s ever been, I don’t expect him to play hardball.

About DeRosa, when asked about him in the late season, Bochy appears to have taken the stance that he’ll believe it when he is healthy. I think DeRosa will take over the Uribe role for 2011, capable of playing almost any infield position and corner OF positions, decently offensively and well defensively.

I would also note that Cody Ross is another decision to be made, he’s arbitration eligible and reportedly due raise to $6M from his $4.5M (or so) in 2010. They could always non-tender him, but I expect a deal to be worked out before arbitration in the $5-5.5M range, he had a poor season in 2010, but much better ones in 2008 and 2009. He also provides power that would go assuming Uribe signs elsewhere.

Bhaakon
15 years ago

Two points

1) The “Uribe role” (as you put it) was starting shortstop for most of this season. I can’t imagine DeRosa playing 864 innings of shortstop next season (the amount Uribe played), and I cringe at the idea of him playing just 319 innings there (the amount Uribe played last season).

2) Burrell and Huff may very well come back at a big discounts, but I just don’t like the idea of standing pat. Not just because the team will be depending on guys edging towards the steep part of the aging curve, but also because I just don’t like the idea of a team not trying to improve. If you’re standing still, you’re going to get passed (and it’s not like the Giants won their division by a mile, there’s potential to get passed here). Also, it would be nice to build up enough talent that we’re not basically counting on another virtually completely healthy season.

obsessivegiantscompulsive
15 years ago
Reply to  Bhaakon

Re: DeRosa, I’m talking about a utility guy who can play multiple positions well at decent offensive level. DeRosa is roughly 800 OPS hitter who plays +1 win defense at almost every position he has played in the majors. He also started out at SS and said he could play, so I would be OK with him playing during DL stint but yeah, any longer than that, I would get someone else or bring up Crawford. Hence why I said “almost”, as anyone who knows about his career, he has played extensively at 2B and 3B and there was talk of him playing 1B when we got him, which leaves SS as odd position out.

The only way the Giants could stand pat is to field the starting lineup from the opening game of last season. Here are the significant changes between 2010 and (hopefully) 2011:

* Torres starting all season
* Posey starting at C all season
* Bumgarner starter all season
* Sandoval should rebound from personal travails
* Lopez and Ramirez bullpen all season, Casilla too
* Burrell and/or Ross starting all season
* I think J.Sanchez will take another step up
* I think Lincecum will have a season more like 2008-9 than 10

FYI, the team as currently composed, assuming they kept them together, had a .691 winning percentage after Posey took over as starting catcher, .689 winning percentage A.R.T. (after rally thong). That’s a 110 win season at that pace.

And Pablo will rebound. He was hitting .368/.433/.575/1.008 in April before being sued for divorce, was horrible for a while, still hit .276/.325/.447/.773 in second half (avg. NL 3B: .265/.331/.421/.752) and that includes slumps that happened right after he returned from Venezuela from signing divorce papers and right after his mother narrowly escaped with her life from San Bruno gas explosion. He and Posey in the middle of our lineup for at least four more seasons.

Also, Belt should be ready to help sometime in 2011 and 2012.

Healthy? Franchez, Renteria, Sandoval (mental), Torres, Guillen, Wellemeyer, out or ineffective for significant time, only the rotation was relatively healthy, but “virtually”, no.

Larry Yocum
15 years ago

The Giants need a SS. Renteria may be resigned, but also can’t be expected to play every day. The “Uribe role” will be totally different with Renteria gone and instead of injury fill-in, he will likely be the starting SS.

They may need to pay for Uribe because they have a need. I think the Peralta contract will work in their favor. They are similar players, but Uribe is older and should be slightly less in value than what Peralta just signed for. I’m thinking 2 years and 10 million gets it done. They need Uribe back even before Huff just based on need. Much easier to find a first baseman, or even shift Pablo over there than a starting SS. They can also start with Ishikawa and hope that Brandon Belt pushes the issue next season. Crawford isn’t ready to start at SS and Uribe is a must sign at this point unless they bring in another SS.

Bigmouth
15 years ago

Not the Gimp, the Machine. As in 8mm.

AK707
15 years ago

I wonder if bill neukom would be willing to increase salary more than he intended if Adrian Beltre could be the prize. Forget the logjam – has a way of working itself out.

Win_it_again_in_2011
15 years ago
Reply to  AK707

he only plays worth a damn in his FA year…

Larry Yocum
15 years ago
Reply to  AK707

AT&T would destroy Beltre.

He sucked in a similar stadium in Seattle and had to go to a bandbox like Boston to get his numbers back. He will want a ton of money.

Pass.

Alireza
15 years ago
Reply to  Larry Yocum

AT&T is tough on lefties, not righties.

Alireza
15 years ago
Reply to  Larry Yocum

Also, don’t forget the numbers he put up in Dodger Stadium, which is hardly a band box.

NickC
15 years ago

Of those guys, I am most interested in the Uribe situation. Like it has been noted else where there is not exactly a glut of SS talent out there and I think Uribe will be given a pretty decent contract.in term of years and salary that the Giants won’t match.

Of the others I think Burrel and Huff come back on the cheap side to stay together and drink a few more beers.

Renteria, I am loss at what will happen besides his option won’t be picked up. The guy played the WS hurt, who knows how he would turn out next season. It would definitely give a little more lore to his career going out with a game winning HR in the WS in his last ever at bat. You might have to put him in Coopers town just for that.

Win_it_again_in_2011
15 years ago
Reply to  NickC

i hope they re-sign Uribe…pretty good power and play 3B, SS, 2B with good defense aside the range at SS..he only earned what, $4 mil(?) over the last 2 years with SFG and produced so much more than that and some clutch clutch HRs…

i like Huff but he is the same age as Burrell and looks 5+ years older already…hard livin’…i’d offer 2 years for $12 but i really think he’s gonna skid fast…if you saw him walk around during playoffs it seems to me that his legs are beat up or something….

have to give Ross $5-6 mil…

Renteria can retire or maybe offer him $1 mil with incentives…

also i wouldn’t mind rolling the dice on Burrell for $2-3 mil per season…his reg season OPS with SFG wasn’t far from Huff’s and its possible he just slumped at the wrong time…

and lastly, i would not count on anything from Pablo next year…once you get so incredibly fat like him i think its doubtful he could ever get near his acceptable playing weight again…are there any recent examples in MLB? i wish, but i just don’t think Pablo can lose weight…