The Josh Hader Trade Hasn’t Helped Either Team So Far

In what may have been the most surprising trade ahead of the August 2 deadline, the Brewers and Padres swapped closers on August 1 as part of a five-player deal, with four-time All-Star Josh Hader heading to San Diego and 2021 All-Star Taylor Rogers and three other players going to Milwaukee. But a trade that was supposed to improve both contenders while making some additional sense in terms of rosters and payrolls has thus far failed to pan out for either team, and at this point both clubs find themselves scrambling for the National League’s last playoff spot.
The full deal sent the 28-year-old Hader to the Padres in exchange for the 31-year-old Rogers as well as 30-year-old righty Dinelson Lamet and a pair of 23-year-old prospects, lefty Robert Gasser and outfielder Esteury Ruiz. Lamet didn’t even suit up for the Brewers, who designated him for assignment on August 5; he was claimed by the Rockies and at this writing has made eight appearances for them. Meanwhile, the Brewers sent Ruiz, who had been on the Padres’ major league roster, back to Triple-A and promoted Gasser from High-A to Double-A.
While the trade appeared puzzling on the surface, the Brewers seemed motivated to make the move because they perceived that they had a deep enough bullpen to withstand the loss of the increasingly expensive Hader, who’s making $11 million this year and could make around $15 million in his final year of arbitration. Even if Rogers didn’t wind up working the ninth inning, they believed that the extra goodies they were receiving from the Padres would help them in the long run. The Padres made the trade because they felt they needed an elite closer for a playoff push that they hoped would include a revamped roster, not only with Fernando Tatis Jr. after he rehabbed from a wrist injury but also other significant fortifications that were in the works; they landed Juan Soto and Josh Bell from the Nationals but might have turned to Willson Contreras had that massive blockbuster not materialized.
As I noted at the time, both Hader and Rogers had generally pitched well during the season’s first three months but had struggled during July. Those struggles have largely continued into August, though not to the same degree:
| Hader | IP | K% | BB% | HR/9 | BABIP | xwOBA | ERA | FIP | Sv | Blown |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Thru June | 24.2 | 45.1% | 7.7% | 0.73 | .195 | .201 | 1.09 | 1.70 | 24 | 1 |
| July | 9.1 | 36.0% | 10.0% | 4.82 | .524 | .436 | 12.54 | 8.16 | 5 | 1 |
| August | 4.2 | 22.9% | 20.0% | 1.93 | .647 | .411 | 23.14 | 8.27 | 0 | 1 |
| Total | 38.2 | 41.8% | 8.5% | 1.86 | .380 | .284 | 6.52 | 4.06 | 29 | 2 |
| Rogers | IP | K% | BB% | HR/9 | BABIP | xwOBA | ERA | FIP | Sv | Blown |
| Thru June | 31.2 | 29.8% | 5.6% | 0.28 | .260 | .283 | 2.84 | 2.43 | 22 | 4 |
| July | 9.2 | 22.0% | 4.0% | 0.00 | .486 | .372 | 9.31 | 2.09 | 6 | 3 |
| August | 10.0 | 37.5% | 5.0% | 1.80 | .250 | .316 | 4.50 | 3.63 | 1 | 0 |
| Total | 51.1 | 29.4% | 5.1% | 0.53 | .320 | .305 | 4.35 | 2.60 | 29 | 7 |
At the time of the trade, the Brewers were 57-45, three games ahead of the Cardinals (54-48) in the NL Central race, and with the league’s fourth-best record behind the Dodgers (68-33), Mets (64-37) and Braves (62-41). They’ve gone 11-14 since. While Rogers hasn’t blown a save, he’s only had one save opportunity, and he did take a loss against the Cardinals after entering a 2-2 tie in the eighth inning on August 14. The rest of the bullpen has taken on a rather disheveled look, as his fellow relievers have blown eight saves, going 1-5 in those games (twice they doubled up, both in extra-inning games), with Devin Williams successfully shutting the door three times and deadline acquisition Matt Bush twice. Since the trade, their bullpen has a 3.81 ERA (sixth in the NL) and a 4.29 FIP (13th). As for their Playoff Odds [descending whistle of falling object]:
| Date | W | L | Win% | GB | Win Div | Bye | WC | Playoffs | WS |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Through July 31 | 57 | 45 | .559 | +3 | 80.3% | 3.9% | 9.4% | 89.6% | 5.2% |
| Through August 29 | 68 | 59 | .535 | 6 | 9.1% | 0.0% | 42.1% | 51.3% | 2.2% |
| Change | 11 | 14 | .440 | 9 | -71.2% | -3.9% | 32.7% | -38.3% | -3.0% |
I’ll save a closer look at the Brewers’ bullpen for another day, however; it’s the Padres and Hader that I’ll focus on here. At the time of the trade, they were 57-46, a distant 12 games behind the Dodgers but a game and a half ahead of the Phillies (55-47) for the second Wild Card spot and 2.5 ahead of the Cardinals, the top team on the outside looking in at the playoff picture.
| Date | W | L | Win% | GB | Win Div | Bye | WC | Playoffs | WS |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Through July 31 | 57 | 46 | .553 | 12 | 1.1% | 1.0% | 80.2% | 81.2% | 4.3% |
| Through August 29 | 71 | 59 | .546 | 19.5 | 0.0% | 0.0% | 67.6% | 67.6% | 4.7% |
| Change | 14 | 13 | .519 | -7.5 | -1.1% | -1.0% | -12.6% | -13.6% | 0.4% |
The Padres are now in the last Wild Card position, 1.5 games behind the Phillies (72-57) and 1.5 ahead of the Brewers. So at least they’ve got that going for them.
Hader’s Padres tenure began innocuously enough, with a scoreless ninth inning against the Rockies in the nightcap of their August 2 doubleheader; he entered with a tie score, and notched the win when Trent Grisham hit a walk-off homer. He threw a scoreless ninth with two strikeouts in a losing cause against the Giants on August 8, but the next night had his first post-trade meltdown. Entering with a 4-1 ninth-inning lead, he retired just two of seven Giants he faced while giving up a single, hitting a batter, and walking three, two of which forced in runs; if not for a great catch by Jurickson Profar that held Evan Longoria to a sacrifice fly instead of a bases-clearing hit, the damage would have been even worse, but as it was, manager Bob Melvin had to go get Hader after 37 pitches. After Tim Hill extricated the Padres with a strikeout, in the bottom of the ninth Manny Machado took Hader off the hook with a three-run homer off Tyler Rogers, Taylor’s twin brother.
Melvin didn’t call Hader’s number again until August 18, when he relieved Yu Darvish with two on and one out in a tie game in the ninth inning against the Nationals. Darvish had pitched brilliantly but couldn’t finish the complete game. Nor could I, in attendance at Petco Park with my wife, father, and nearly six-year-old daughter, the last of whom had begun turning into a grouchy pumpkin around the seventh-inning stretch. I watched from the distant concourse in left field as Hader’s seventh pitch hit ex-Padre Luke Voit to load the bases; he then walked Nelson Cruz on four pitches to force in a run, gave up another on a sacrifice fly, and then allowed a single to CJ Abrams to load the bases again before retiring Lane Thomas. The Padres didn’t score in their half, but it was Darvish who took the loss, not Hader.
Hader faced the Nationals again the next night, and it went even worse. Entering a tie game with a clean slate in the top of the ninth, he didn’t retire a batter, yielding a walk, a single — via which Victor Robles scored from first base after Hader threw Thomas’ dribbler into right field — and a two-run homer by Alex Call over the course of 12 pitches, then getting the hook. Again, the Padres lost.
The next day, Melvin told reporters that Hader would get “a little break” from closing and would work on fixing his mechanics on the side and in low-leverage appearances while the manager used a closer by committee. He’s pitched just twice since, throwing a scoreless eighth inning against the Guardians on August 24, when the Padres trailed 7-0, and then getting tattooed for six runs by the Royals on Sunday. With the Padres trailing 9-6, he entered and gave up a first-pitch single to Salvador Perez, then a double, walk, two-run double, and RBI single. He struck out Nicky Lopez, then issued another walk and a two-run single by Michael A. Taylor. With the score now 14-6 and his pitch count at 34, Wil Myers relieved Hader and allowed a sacrifice fly by Bobby Witt Jr. but managed to keep the Royals from scoring further.
That’s what a 23.14 ERA (and a .500/.600/.708 line by the 35 opposing hitters Hader has faced) looks like. Not only is it not pretty, it’s downright uncomfortable to watch.
“It’s hard,” Melvin said after Hader’s Royal shellacking. “Certainly hard for him. It looks like hitters are getting a good look. You aren’t seeing the swings and misses that you normally do, both with the heater and breaking ball.”
As I noted at the time of the trade, most of the damage done against Hader was via his sinker, which had actually increased in velocity relative to last season but was coming from a higher arm slot and getting less movement (an observation previously made by Sports Info Solution’s Dominick Ricotta):
| Year | Velo | Drop (in) | Break (in) | V Rel (in) | H Rel (in) | AVG | SLG | wOBA | xwOBA |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2019 | 95.5 | 12.6 | 9.6 | 62.6 | 38.3 | .171 | .424 | .276 | .258 |
| 2020 | 94.5 | 13.6 | 9.9 | 62.9 | 39.5 | .179 | .462 | .350 | .315 |
| 2021 | 96.4 | 12.1 | 9.8 | 63.8 | 36.7 | .103 | .171 | .191 | .228 |
| 2022 | 97.3 | 11.5 | 8.6 | 66.2 | 34.1 | .267 | .475 | .371 | .333 |
| Jul-22 | 97.4 | 12.0 | 9.0 | 66.8 | 33.8 | .345 | .759 | .453 | .460 |
| Aug-22 | 97.8 | 11.0 | 9.0 | 65.4 | 34.3 | .526 | .737 | .564 | .407 |
The trends have largely continued, in that Hader’s vertical release point, while lower than in July, is still higher than normal and his horizontal release point closer to the plate, yielding less run on the pitch and less deception.
A week after the trade, before Hader’s meltdown against the Giants, Baseball Prospectus‘ Michael Ajeto went even further in depth regarding Hader’s release point, his vertical approach angle, and the orientation of his wrist when throwing. His whole analysis is worth a read, but the long and short of it is that where the combination of Hader’s release point for his sinker and the pitch’s flatness made it exceptionally effective, the pitch now enters the strike zone at a slightly steeper angle, with a less deceptive spin. According to Ajeto, by keeping his wrist oriented vertically, Hader was able to “create a vertical spin profile from a horizontally-oriented release… much like seam-shifted wake, that’s what makes Hader deceptive: he’s creating pitch movement that’s incongruent from what you’d expect from his arm slot.”
But no longer:
Hader still releases the ball with his wrist orientated vertically, which means his spin tilt, or spin direction, has remained about the same. But now that his arm slot has started to rise… his expected spin direction from his release point has moved from about 9:30 to 10:30 on a clock face, which has begun to converge with his actual spin direction of 11:00. It’s clear that his sinker has become less deceptive because of this, so it’s not getting on hitters as well as it used to.
Whereas Hader had produced a 31.1% whiff rate with the pitch through July, it was just 23.1% for that month, and down to 21.7% in August. Woof.
Baseball Prospectus‘ Robert Orr suggested that an injury could be the cause of Hader’s altered release point, and noticed an effort to correct it that just hasn’t stuck (click through to the individual graphs):
https://twitter.com/NotTheBobbyOrr/status/1564270288954687491
Hader’s mechanical problems may be connected to physical issues, though he hasn’t gone on the injured list this season. And while he left the Brewers briefly in late May due to his wife Maria’s pregnancy complications and then declined a trip to the All-Star Game in order to spend time with her and their son Lucas Alexander (born June 15), on Monday Maria shot down a rumor spread by MLB Network that the baby was having health issues.
Anyway, since Hader was deposed from the closer role, the Padres have gotten three saves from Nick Martinez and one from Luis García, with Melvin saying on Monday that for now, the former is his preferred closer. He also planned to use Hader more, not less, saying, “I think it’s maybe a little bit more regular work for him. That may be important.”
For as badly as Hader has pitched, the rest of the bullpen has largely picked him up. Through Monday, the team had the NL’s second-lowest bullpen ERA (2.91) and the lowest FIP (3.13) for August; by comparison, they ended July with a 3.94 ERA (seventh) and 3.68 FIP (third). Martinez has thrown 15 scoreless innings this month while posting a 2.06 FIP, and he’s not the only one putting up zeroes; Adrian Morejon (13.2 IP, 2.25 FIP), Steven Wilson (10 IP, 3.03 FIP), and Hill (7.2 IP, 2.60 FIP) haven’t allowed a run, either, while Robert Suarez had allowed just one run in 10.1 innings before giving up three to the Giants on Monday night. Alas, not all of those zeroes came in high-leverage innings, and those are, after all, small samples.
The bigger problem for the Padres hasn’t been their bullpen but a rotation that has meandered around league average, with a 3.87 ERA and 3.87 FIP overall, and marks of 4.67 (119 ERA-) and 4.11 (103 FIP-) in August, with Darvish, Joe Musgrove, and Mike Clevinger all mediocre, and Sean Manaea worse; only Blake Snell has an ERA and FIP better than the rotation’s overall marks. The offense, at least, is on the upswing with Soto, hitting for a 114 wRC+ (.252/.341/.405) in August compared to a middling 101 wRC+ (.242/.321/.382) overall.
Whether the Padres understood the extent of Hader’s delivery issues or not at the time of the trade, they’re now charged with fixing him, something they’ve had mixed success with when it comes to other acquisitions. Darvish has been much better since arriving from the Cubs, for example, but Snell not so much, the past four weeks notwithstanding. Still, 4.2 ugly innings is just 4.2 innings, and there’s ample time for the story of Hader and the Padres — who, after all, still occupy a playoff position — to take a happier turn.
Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.
I’m not sure the Padres get credit for Darvish’s improvements since he looked awesome for the Cubs in the shortened 2020 and has always been a quite streaky.
Agree. That is a weird statement.
Darvish has ERA- 83/FIP- 87 as a Cub and ERA- 96/FIP- 88 as a Padre.
Healthier? Sure.
Much better? Ehh…
Darvish did struggle for quite a while with the Cubs but he also had stretches where he was totally dominant. He’s always been that way.
I’d delete my comment if I could.
IMO most teams probably wouldn’t even tender Hader after this since it will almost certainly click in around $15m. It’s galling that the Brewers traded Hader when much of his value had evaporated but this is something else entirely.
Why is it galling that they traded him when his value evaporated? Isn’t that what smart teams do?
Unless Milwaukee knew of some injury, I’d say it’s more on San Diego for not realizing what they were getting.
I think the better situation would have been to trade him before his value mostly evaporated. They did deal him before it all evaporated though. They made the best of a bad situation in the moment.
The Brewers still got an excellent first half of the season from Hader while competing for the playoffs. How much further back would they be in the standings had they traded Hader last offseason?
Besides, they had no way of knowing back then that his performance would crater in the second half.
I’m guessing the commenter meant that his value would have been higher in the off-season
Well their other options would have been to trade him in the off-season or keep him all of 2022. I don’t think there’s a clear best option here
Yep–they’ve been talking about trading him for years, and Stearns is definitely part of the “always be trading relievers” school of thought. It’s not exactly an obvious move to trade him then but they were never going to pay him that arb number next year anyway and the lineup was kind of a mess.
But Robert Gasser is a pretty interesting prospect so it’s not all bad.
Interesting article but I don’t get this:
“Darvish has been much better since arriving from the Cubs…”
Unless you assume that Hader would have been great for the Brewers if not traded, I can’t understand how this wasn’t a huge coup for them. Saw that Hader wasn’t that guy anymore and flipped him for assets.
100x this.
The Brewers bullpen hasn’t been great, but that would presumably have been true with Hader in tow, too — the standings would look the same, and their offense (and some modest deterioration in starting pitching) is the primary reason for that.
Meanwhile they just promoted Gasser to AAA after he ripped it up in AA.
Gasser is extremely underrated. Eric hung a 40 fastball on him because of the velocity but the angle is tough for hitters. It could be a 50 on that alone (I don’t think it’s possible to be higher unless he gets more velocity, but maybe I’m wrong about that).
Yep. At first I thought his early struggles could have been related to how SD used him–IIRC, he went had about 9 days off around his first couple appearances–and a bit mental, and it seemed reasonable to imagine he’d have fared better in Milwaukee.
But now, it’s pretty clear the problem is bigger than that and, given how many extra-inning games or late-inning (7 games to extras +2 that ended in walkoffs in 9) the Brewers have had recently, they might have really been sunk had they kept him.
It’s tangential to the article but the Brewers’ descending whistle plummet in playoff odds is as much about the Cardinals’ recent performance as it is about the bullpen in Milwaukie. After going 15-14 in June and 11-13 in July, St. Louis has compiled a blistering 21-6 record in August. The Cards’ playoff odds sat at 44.5% on July 30; they’re at 97.9% now. Whether it’s winning a trade with the Yankees at the deadline or Pujols homering in seemingly every pinch-hit AB or just the usual devil magic, St. Louis found their mojo right around the time the Brewers lost theirs.
It’s bad enough for the Brewers that Goldschmidt, Arenado, and Edman have continued their great 2022 after the break. But when Pujols, Nootbaar, and Dickerson tack on another 4.2 WAR in less than 300 combined PA, that might be enough to leave them in the Cards’ dust.
Goldy and Arenado, yes. Edman, not so much. He’s hit OK while still playing great defense, but his bat has cooled off over the last couple of months.
Edman has 4.5 WAR while slugging .390. He’s obviously providing value somewhere.
Those are his seasonal numbers, not his second half numbers.
While Edman has picked it up again this past month (although still nowhere near his amazing April), his OPS by month after his incredible start has been .649 in May, .706 in June, and an absolutely pathetic .498 in July.
I have to laugh that the Robert Orr tweet of the graphs is censored for “sensitive content”. Granted, it’s not a laughing matter that Hader is almost certainly injured, but that still tickled the funny bone.
Minor error in the top chart – shows Hader with one blown save through June, one in July, and one in August for a total of…2?
(Or as Wadsworth says, “it’s not one plus one plus two plus one, it’s one plus TWO plus one plus one…”)
The point is, there is one bullet left in this gun and guess who’s gonna get it!
Putting aside the odd comment about Darvish and the depressing analysis of Hader, Darvish has had a fascinating season, essentially turning into a control artist after losing a ton of K% after the sticky stuff ban. He hasn’t lost FBv or sufferred lower O-swing%, but his O-contact% has skyrocketed (his Z-contact% is only up a bit). He seems to be trading whiffs for weak contact, with his Soft% as high as it’s been since 2018. Add it all up and he’ll almost certainly post his best WAR since 2013.
Don’t know how much of this is intentional/sustainable or if a low babip is putting lipstick on a pig, but I don’t think the Padres are complaining
Well, best bWAR, anyway. fWAR for pitchers is still stuck in the relative stone age of being based on FIP.
Little wonder Hader stinks, having to pitch it that hideous candy kisses uniform.
It’s more than a bad month.
Hader’s first 19 appearances resulted in 18 saves, with a 0.00 ERA and 14.26 K/9.
His last 17 appearances have resulted in 4 saves, with more earned runs (25) than strikeouts (24). Even if you ignore the batted ball luck and high HR/FB rate, his walk rate over that stretch is 7.62 BB/9. That’s just not what elite closers are supposed to do.
Or any major league pitchers
It’s pretty funny that Preller tried to pull one over by trading a semi-injured player without revealing it (Rogers) and got completely outfoxed at his own game
Consider that adding Hader to your clubhouse (while losing Rogers) will have a certain non-zero cost beyond the dollars and cents. Now consider the 12 earned runs in 4.2 innings pitched. Now picture a house being swallowed up suddenly by a sinkhole, and you have a picture of this trade from the SD POV.
Edited to add – you know why, I’m not spelling it out for you.
Hader seems pretty well liked in the Brewers clubhouse and, unlike a Josh Donaldson, was pretty quickly backed up after the controversy.
What was Hader actually accused of? A random twitter account highlighted no-context tweets timed to inflict maximum embarrassment (AS game). Where’s, you know, actual reporting accusing him of being a bad or odious dude? I’m serious about this. Look at the dog not barking: any sort of actual reporting reaching out to people Hader knew to tell an actually reported story about why his character is as it was described on twitter.
The Hader crap sparked a few years of reporters getting “content” out of using keywords to search into any random young athlete’s social media accounts. It was a gawker move – monetize personal embarrassment and pain sometimes retroactively wrapped up in a fig leaf of fake moralizing. It’s pathetic.
I’m sure everyone still thinks it was vitally important to make Kyler Murray focus on knuckleheaded tweets made as a 14 year old instead of winning the Heisman. Great job everybody. Justifying it by mocking young athletes for not having the foresight to pre-delete social media posts they’ve long since forgetting about (what normally happens) isn’t a great response.
IIRC he wrote racist tweets as a teenager. Not good but I would hope he’s learned from the incident or otherwise changed since then. Josh Donaldson did his stuff this year.
Hader always had a little wildness to him. Not like in the video but he definitely got more than his fair share of K’s on guys swinging at pitches that were well out of the strike zone. He got away with it because he wasn’t THAT wild and he had velocity and deception and movement. It was an elite package. Hopefully he can reign it back in.
Brewers swap terrible relievers with another team and get two prospects on top of it, in addition to presumably saving some money in the future.
How is this “not working out”?
Speaking of Evan Longoria, what a shame he fell off so badly after 2016. I don’t see any way he gets into the Hall, even if he puts up another four 2 WAR seasons through age 40. He’ll pass 2000 hits, 1000 runs, and 1300 RBI, but will anyone care very much? 3 GG. No finish higher than 6th for MVP. 3 ASG, and a peak that only lasted from age 23 through 25.
65 rWAR, 60 bWAR might just be in reach with a lot of luck w health, but the only black ink on his ledger is from 2014, in games played. I don’t think that’s enough.
Manny Machado, on the other hand: 51 rWAR as of age 29. That’s what Arenado has as of 31. Machado peaked at 23, and never got all that close to 7 rWAR again. but is still headed for the Hall. That’s got to be a story.