The NL Cy Young Race Is Still Wide Open

Spencer Strider may be comically overpowering, but his bid to win the NL Cy Young is anything but a cakewalk. Over the course of his past two outings, he’s been hit for 10 runs in 8.2 innings, elevating his ERA from 3.46 to 3.83, higher than any pitcher who has won the award. The truth is that with less than four weeks to go in the season, no NL pitcher — not Strider, Blake Snell, Justin Steele, Zac Gallen or Zack Wheeler, just to run through a partial list of names — has a particularly strong statistical case to win. While each candidate’s remaining few starts may provide some clarity before voters send off their ballots, the race as it stands is worth a closer look.
I’m not a BBWAA voter in this or any of the annual awards this year, but I had been thinking about this race a bit lately thanks to a couple of questions from readers in recent chats and on social media. To that point, my default answer prior to those had been “Strider or Snell,” but I hardly had my mind made up. By a happy coincidence, all of this happened just as we introduced a Cy Young Projections leaderboard based on a simple model created by Tom Tango, using only earned runs, innings pitched, strikeouts, and wins — all counting stats, no rate stats. I know what the leaderboard says, and you can look as well, but I’ll save what it’s telling us about this race until later in this piece.
The 24-year-old Strider is the most dominant pitcher in the game, a marvel whose understanding of the biomechanics necessary to get the most out of his small stature (he lists at 6 feet and 195 pounds but is often referred to as 5-foot-11) recalls those of Tim Lincecum and Sandy Koufax, or at least Jane Leavy’s version of him. Last year as a rookie, he set a record for fewest innings to reach 200 strikeouts, doing so in 130 frames; he finished sixth in the league with 202 Ks despite not making his first start until May 30.
This year, Strider broke his own record, reaching 200 strikeouts in 123.1 innings. His 250 strikeouts are 49 more than the closest NL pitcher, Snell; as a percentage of batters faced, Strider’s 37.8% not only leads the league — 6.7 percentage points ahead of Snell — but is also the second-highest strikeout rate of any qualified starter over a full season (as in, no strike or pandemic years) behind only the 2019 edition of Gerrit Cole (39.9%). That said, by our Plus stats, which normalize a pitcher’s K% to the league rate, Strider’s 170 K%+ — that is, 70% above the league average — is merely 156th among qualified AL and NL pitchers dating back to the 19th century.
Strider additionally has the NL’s top strikeout-walk differential (30.0%) by a 6.9-point margin and the league’s lowest FIP at 2.89, though his 67 FIP- trails Wheeler (65). But he’s been undone to some degree by his 1.11 homers per nine, which is in a virtual tie for 15th among the 26 qualified NL starters, and his 3.83 ERA is 14th.
Indeed, Strider has had his days where he’s taken his lumps; five times he’s allowed five or more runs, with a high of eight against the Mets on June 8, and he’s allowed six in 2.2 innings twice in his past half-dozen starts, first on August 7 against the Pirates and then on Wednesday against the Cardinals. Five other times he’s allowed four runs in either five or six innings, including four in six against the Dodgers on August 31. Here’s a look at his six-start rolling average, which includes a lot of time in midsummer where that mark was around or above 5.00:

As his 0.94 runs per nine gap between his ERA and his FIP — the largest of the 26 qualified NL starters — suggests, a couple of things are going on that have inflated Strider’s ERA. A look at Statcast’s expected home runs leaderboard shows that he’s allowed 2.8 more than projected based on exit velocities, launch angles, projected distances, and wall heights; among pitchers who have allowed at least 10 homers, that places him in the 91st percentile. Only five of his 25 homers were no-doubters (gone in all 30 parks) and five are doubters (gone in 1–7 parks). That’s some bad luck.
Likewise when it comes to Strider’s .317 BABIP, the second-highest among the qualified NL starters and 13 points higher than the Braves’ mark as a whole. We know a lot more about pitchers’ influence on BABIP than we did 10 years ago thanks to Statcast, such as the fact that Strider ranks in the 75th percentile in terms of hard-hit rate (35.2%) and the 67th percentile in terms of average exit velocity (88.2 mph) but only the 29th percentile in terms of barrel rate (9.1%). With the first two of those marks within a couple eyelashes of last year’s numbers (36% and 88.0 mph), it’s the three-point rise in barrel rate that most helps to explain Strider’s jump in ERA from 2.67 to 3.83 and in xERA from 2.39 to 3.06. But guess what? That last mark leads NL starters this year, and so does the 0.77 runs per nine gap between Strider’s actual and expected ERA. It’s fair to say he’s been especially unlucky.
Strider’s 3.83 ERA would be the highest of any Cy Young honoree, ahead of 1983 AL winner LaMarr Hoyt (3.66), 2001 AL winner Roger Clemens (3.51), and 2005 AL winner Bartolo Colon (3.48), all of whom finished first thanks in large part to having notched 20 or more wins. Adjusted for ballpark and league scoring levels, Clemens’ 80 ERA- and Colon’s 82 ERA- are both substantially better than Strider’s 86, which is at least better than Hoyt’s 88, as well as the 87 of 1982 AL winner Pete Vuckovich (on a 3.34 ERA). Still, that ERA is the biggest impediment to voting for Strider, whose 6.28 runs per game of offensive support has helped push his won-loss record to 16–5 nonetheless.
If not Strider, then who? One could point to Wheeler, who leads in fWAR (5.7, a full win ahead of the second-ranked Snider) and is second in FIP (2.93), xERA (3.13), and K-BB% (23.1%); or Snell, who leads in ERA (2.50) and bWAR (4.6) and is second in both strikeouts and strikeout rate (31.1%). Steele is second in ERA (2.55), third in FIP (2.98) and fWAR (4.3), and fourth in bWAR (4.1); thanks to his 6.39 runs per game of offensive support, he has an even gaudier won-loss record than Strider at 16–3.
While there are other NL starters having fine seasons, such as Gallen and Kodai Senga, I don’t see any statistic or combination of stats that elevates them into that quartet. Senga’s 3.08 ERA is the league’s third-lowest, and his 29.3% strikeout rate the fourth-highest, but he also has just 143.1 innings, 26.2 fewer than Wheeler (the leader of that quartet, and third overall) and 8.2 fewer than Steele (the low man of the group). Then again, each of those top four have nits we can pick in addition to those already mentioned:
- Strider’s 3.0 bWAR — which contains adjustments not only for ballpark but also the quality of the offenses he’s faced and the defense behind him, making it preferable (to these eyes, at least) to our RA9-WAR — is merely tied for 13th.
- Steele’s 24.5% strikeout rate is the lowest of this group, and just 13th in the league. Additionally, he has allowed an NL-high 12 unearned runs, and while it’s customary to ignore those within the very convoluted concept of ERA, those runs count just the same. We have better tools to separate pitching from fielding, as Baseball Prospectus’ Michael Wolverton pointed out nearly 20 years ago, and our toolbox has only gotten larger in the ensuing decades. Steele’s 3.26 RA9 (runs allowed per nine) is still second among NL qualifiers, but it’s nearly two-thirds of a run behind Snell’s 2.61.
- Snell’s 13.8% walk rate is the highest among qualifiers in either league, and it makes actually watching him pitch a damn chore. It also inflates his FIP to 3.69, the highest of this quartet and merely eighth in the league. His -1.19 ERA-FIP differential is the lowest in the league, at the opposite end of the spectrum from Strider’s 0.94.
- Wheeler’s biggest problem seems to be that nobody is talking about him as a candidate. His 3.49 ERA would be on the high side for a winner, fitting between those of Colon and Clemens. That said, he’s such a workhorse that he’s got a big lead in innings among this group (though he’s just seventh overall), and in addition to his other rate stats cited, his 4.6% walk rate is the league’s third-lowest.
I threw those four into a spreadsheet along with any other qualified NL starter whose ERA and FIP were both at 3.83 or lower — a description that applies to Senga and two as-yet unmentioned hurlers — and then tried something that I’ll surely regret:
| Name | W-L | IP | K% | BB% | ERA | xERA | FIP | jERA | fWAR | bWAR | jWAR | aWAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Blake Snell | 12-9 | 155.0 | 31.1% | 13.8% | 2.50 | 3.94 | 3.69 | 3.38 | 3.0 | 4.6 | 3.6 | 3.75 |
| Justin Steele | 16-3 | 152.0 | 24.5% | 5.3% | 2.55 | 3.39 | 2.98 | 2.97 | 4.3 | 4.1 | 4.2 | 4.22 |
| Kodai Senga | 10-7 | 143.1 | 29.3% | 11.0% | 3.08 | 3.62 | 3.47 | 3.39 | 3.1 | 3.7 | 3.3 | 3.38 |
| Zack Wheeler | 11-6 | 170.0 | 27.7% | 4.6% | 3.49 | 3.13 | 2.93 | 3.18 | 5.7 | 4.2 | 4.4 | 4.75 |
| Logan Webb | 9-12 | 187.0 | 23.3% | 3.8% | 3.51 | 3.67 | 3.31 | 3.50 | 3.9 | 4.2 | 4.1 | 4.08 |
| Jesús Luzardo | 9-8 | 155.1 | 28.2% | 7.0% | 3.59 | 3.89 | 3.65 | 3.71 | 3.0 | 3.1 | 3.1 | 3.05 |
| Spencer Strider | 16-5 | 162.0 | 37.8% | 7.9% | 3.83 | 2.94 | 2.89 | 3.22 | 4.7 | 3.0 | 4.1 | 3.93 |
As if we needed more numbers and letters in this alphabet soup, I tried averaging ERA, FIP and xERA into something I call jERA, so you can remember who to blame. Sort the table by that column and you can see Steele, Wheeler, and Strider are 1-2-3. I then used jERA to cobble together a back-of-the-envelope approximation of WAR by using 5.49 runs per nine (25% higher than the NL average ERA of 4.39) as the replacement level, each pitcher’s innings total, and a very rough conversion of 10 runs to one win; call it jWAR and direct your ire at me. I then averaged fWAR, bWAR, and jWAR together — sure, why not? – into something called aWAR. That puts Wheeler, Steele, and Logan Webb (the league leader in innings) 1-2-3, with Strider fourth and Snell fifth.
I’m not sure I like that final ranking or even would use it as a guide to how I would cast a ballot, but it’s an attempt to balance a lot of different inputs and find a middle ground. You’re free to ignore it.
As for our new toy, it uses a very simple formula, where Cy Young Points (CYP) = IP/2 – ER + SO/10 + W. It’s so simple that it’s tough to believe it works, but as Tango pointed out, “Every single Cy Young winner [from 2006–20] finished 1st or 2nd in Cy Young points, since 2006, without exception. None.” We also have a FIP-adjusted system that may do a better job of predicting more recent voter behavior, where FIP CYP = (IP/2 – ER) + (IP/2 – FIP Runs) + SO/10 + W.
On the leaderboard, you can sort to see the current standings in both CYP and FIP CYP as well as the projected standings using our rest-of-season numbers from your choice of systems: Steamer, ZiPS, the Depth Charts (which uses those two), The Bat, and ATC. Here’s how the top 10 shakes out currently and using the Depth Charts projections. Sort to your heart’s content:
| Pitcher | CYP | FIP CYP | Proj CYP | Proj FIP CYP |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Blake Snell | 73.5 | 88.7 | 73.5 | 88.7 |
| Justin Steele | 69.1 | 96.1 | 69.1 | 96.1 |
| Spencer Strider | 62.1 | 94.9 | 62.1 | 94.9 |
| Zac Gallen | 59.9 | 85.7 | 59.9 | 85.7 |
| Charlie Morton | 56.6 | 69.4 | 56.6 | 69.4 |
| Kodai Senga | 58.3 | 76.8 | 58.3 | 76.8 |
| Zack Wheeler | 57.5 | 90.4 | 57.5 | 90.4 |
| Clayton Kershaw | 54.9 | 61.2 | 54.9 | 61.2 |
| Merrill Kelly 켈리 | 52.4 | 65.9 | 52.4 | 65.9 |
| Logan Webb | 53.8 | 82.5 | 53.8 | 82.5 |
The CYP-based ones place both the current and projected podium as Snell-Steele-Strider; the ones that incorporate FIP call it Steele-Strider-Wheeler, an interesting result given that Steele’s case is so driven by ERA.
If the race ended today, I don’t feel strongly that there’s a “right” or “wrong” answer from among those four; I can see reasons to vote for each, and the point of this article is to illustrate that, not to convince myself or you that one absolutely has to vote a certain way. If it’s dominance you want to reward while thumbing your nose at ERA, choose Strider. If it’s by-the-book run prevention, go with Steele. If you want to combine those two, vote Snell. If you want to reward durability in an age of five-and-fly, pick Wheeler. If anything, I’m glad that each starter has at least a few more turns to make his case. Perhaps that will provide some clarity where none exists now.
Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.
Don’t a lot of the award voters still go based off of ERA? Like we saw in 2017 with the AL Cy Young where Kluber beat Sale in a rout? Or in 2015 with Arrieta over Kershaw?
In 2015, they actually didn’t go with ERA, because Zack Greinke had an ERA of 1.66. And in 2017, a fair amount of that was recency bias, given that iirc Sale struggled a bit at the end of the year; four blowup starts in August and September. Kluber had a grand total of three during the whole season, all in April or May. So while Sale had great overall numbers, Kluber finished stronger.
Arrieta was only what 0.07 behind Greinke. And a half run better than Kershaw.
Voter fatigue played a role with Kershaw, as he’d just won back-to-back Cy’s, three of the last four, and was reigning NL MVP. The narrative of him failing in the postseason had started to take hold, so that probably dinged him in the voters’ heads even though it’s not one of the criteria they’re supposed to consider.
His ERA was also a half run back. Like it or not, that matters.
Very likely not the primary factor, the way you seem to be presenting it. If he was in second, maybe, but he finished behind both Arrietta and Greinke, and with only 3 first place votes. It’s pretty clear the voters were just like “ehhhh, these guys deserve it too.”
I feel like this a a year where it’s going to be very easy for someone with Steele’s resume (Wins, ERA) to win the award. The fact that the Cubs are likely to be a suprise playoff darling only aids in his narrative.
Strider’s Ks are freakish but if he limps to the finish it won’t matter. Snell’s got the bad command and the anchor of SD’s disappointing season. Wheeler’s got a pretty good skills-based case, but too many analytically inclined voters will line up behind Strider and Snell for him to win out on that basis. IMO.
Plus Justin Steele sounds like the secret identity of a superhero
Or a pornstar.
Arrieta had some narrative going for him too–a no hitter and a 0.75 ERA 2nd half.
I mean it took voters like 20 years to finally quit the Win. Probably a long way off before they quit ERA
Kluber beat Sale in a route largely because of timing more than ERA. He had a bad April was gone for most of May and then came back and accumulated all of his 7.2 fWAR (6.9 to be exact) including two complete games and one shutout in September. Sale was almost the inverse barely putting up any WAR in September and getting out WAR’d by 2.5 from June to September on (he was at his best early in the year).
I wouldn’t blame anyone else either, but Strider’s still the guy for me. His comically high K% is so much higher than everyone else’s (and his K/BB ratio, too, is bonkers); if I’m asking myself who’s the guy in this group who I’d trust to mow down a lineup of sluggers without considering the park or defense behind him, I go Strider every time.
I agree that he is the best pitcher of the group, but that’s different than a backwards looking award. How much value did he concretely provide to his team? For me, that starts with bWAR
like was said a few years ago, it’s not a Cy Whiff award. There’s more to pitching than striking guys out.
I think you could argue that this year, with zero great candidates, that maybe you give it to the guy having a historic season several ways you look at it with his strikeouts.
Snell should not be in the top 3. You can’t lead the league in walk rate and be a Cy Young winner. It’s just wrong.
Most voters aren’t like that though. They see ERA that high and that knocks him out.
Sure. That has generally been the case. However there is also usually a candidate (or two) with a solid combination of high innings, low ERA, and good strikeout and walk numbers. The closest candidate to that, in my opinion, are Zac Gallen and Zack Wheeler, whose ERAs are also atypically higher.
Honestly I don’t envy the voters for this award this year. I’m sure they are praying that the last few weeks beings some clarity and separation.
I agree with pretty much everything you said with the exception of the “atypically higher” bit. I think that if you go back through the years and sort by ERA you find that most of the very top guys have ERA’s lower than their FIP’s, and if you sort by FIP most have FIP’s lower than their ERA’s.
The adjusted K% puts “historical” in context – not a top 150 season when compared to league averages. Kerry Wood, Vida Blue, Pedro, Nolan Ryan, Randy Johnson, Clemens, Carl Hubbell, Dizzy Dean, Walter Johnson, Gerrit Cole and Steve Carlton had years with higher strikeout percentages compared to their peers…and that’s just looking at seasons #121-150.
I’m a Cubs fan and am cheering for Steeler here. The “historic K%” is certainly a feather in Strider’s cap. But we all pride ourselves on stats in context, so don’t lose sight of the environment Strider is pitching in.
I think you need to use something more sophisticated than adjusted K% to put Strider’s season in context. Having 70% more strikeouts than league average is more impressive now with a higher K environment than it is in a low K environment. I think it is much more impressive to K 14 per 9 innings when the average is 9 per 9 innings than it is to K 8 per 9 innings when the average is 5. But adjusted K% would say the second is better.
Anyway, just as I said that voters should be hoping for someone to create some distance, Gallen just fired a 3-hit, 9-K shutout, lowering his ERA to a maybe-voter-acceptable 3.31.
RE Gallen….sort of the point of the article. Someone can provide clarity, although 1 game certainly doesn’t do that. But a guy like Steele, like Strider, can have a terrible game and really hurt his chances.
“You can’t lead the league in walk rate and be a Cy Young winner. It’s just wrong.”
“Hey now!” — Nolan Ryan
Nolan Ryan never won a Cy Young
I’m a huge Spencer Strider fan but he is not making it easy for me. I was willing to write off his not-so-great start against the Dodgers as bad luck, but he got crushed in that last start against the Cardinals.
Ultimately, the story is that when he’s on, you cannot hit him. And he is on the majority of the time. But he has had 6 starts this year where he has simply been bad. What do you take when you have a guy who is completely unhittable half the time, a decent pitcher about 30% of the time, and who gets lit up 20% of the time? Is that a Cy Young award winner? In 2021, that would get you third or fourth place for the NL Cy Young; in 2023, he might be the most deserving winner anyway because no one else stands out like Corbin Burnes and Zack Wheeler did.
He’s had 9 starts this year now where he’s given up at least 4 runs. Out of 28 starts. So he’s gotten lit up far more than 20% of the time.
Strider’s been significantly worse pitching out of the stretch than he’s been with the bases empty, and it was the same story for him last season. Given that he’s a short guy depending on huge velo with a small arsenal of pitches, there might be mechanical reasons why that’s the case, and his ERA/RA being significantly worse than his overall FIP/xERA thus not being a fluke.
At the risk of sounding too old school, I feel like we often over complicate the pitching narrative. Objectively, the entire point of pitching is to *prevent runs*. While dominance and run prevention are heavily correlated, they are not exclusively married.
If we can simplify the scope and focus more on run prevention, Strider really shouldn’t be in the conversation. Domination shouldn’t turn into style points.
I keep feeling like Snell would have to be the worst multiple time Cy winner ever if he got this year. Then I looked it up and Denny McLain happened. Might still be snell, depending on how you feel about peak vs consistency, but it’s absolutely one of those two.
At least McLain had two dominant seasons and one other good one before injuries and off-field issues ended his career at 28.
Snell has one great season (depending on your metric) and one good season and then a handful of roughly average seasons. Hopefully he has a rough start in the next couple weeks and this can go to rest. His case mostly rests on leading the league in ERA and his lead over Steele is pretty slim.
Denny McLain did have a couple of very good seasons when we won those CYs. It’s just that he put up 70% of his total value in those two seasons…
Snell would almost certainly have the worst two Cy Young winning seasons for a single player, though.
bWAR best year/ career total
McLain 8.1/20.5
Lincecum 7.8/19.9
Snell 7.1/19.8
I think Snell is my clear cut favorite. But that is because I like RA9-WAR to tell me how a team has faired with a pitcher for award voting. Luck, repeatability, etc are not important. Just 2023 results for 2023 Cy Young. So I think RA9-WAR does the best at summarizing that. And Snell is over a win ahead of Steele, Gallen, and Wheeler. (I admit I like Wheeler and his 1 fWAR win above Snider as the “better pitcher”, but Snell has gotten the best overall results.)
So luck isn’t important to you, but if you’re giving Snell full credit for his ERA then you’re giving him credit for good luck. Seems inconsistent to go only one direction and him credit for good luck but not give Strider credit for bad luck.
I think you’re actually crediting luck more than you think. If you wanted to ignore luck, fWAR, FIP, xFIP, would be better than RA9-WAR
I think his point is when evaluating CY Young award candidates you shouldn’t account for luck. It’s a descriptive award not a predictive award. Similarly voters don’t usually look at xwOBA when evaluating MVP award voting but instead look at actual results.
I understand his point, but I think if you look at ERA or RA9-WAR you are taking luck into account, by definition. What he’s really looking at is results, luck included. If you want to strip luck out (and if you’d also like to strip out the influence of other players on the field), then I don’t think RA9 is the best way to do it.
I’m not even against using a strictly result based approach to voting, but we should be clear that incorporates luck.
I was saying you credit him and his results for any luck and capability of his fielders. I think RA9-WAR is the best measure of what I think the Cy Young is: the pitcher who got the best results with his team. I am not trying to strip out luck and defense ability.
Now if it was “best” pitcher the last year, then fWAR and/or some combination of IP and xERA/FIP/xFIP/SIERA does that.
This is a refreshingly honest opinion, but I find it weird. Isn’t the Cy Young supposed to go to the best pitcher?
If I compare it to a single inning pitched. The “best pitcher” may have thrown perfect pitch to perfect spot and had a great guys hit a HR off it. But the pitcher with best results may terribly miss his spot and get a pop-up. The guy with the in game results gets the award, even if I recognize the other guy is a better pitcher.
Does Zac Gallen having 33 more innings pitched factor in at all? Or him playing home games at one of the more hitter-friendly parks in baseball?
RA/9 WAR does consider Gallen’s 23 additional innings since it is a counting stat. I believe it includes park adjustments as well, though I wasn’t able to definitively confirm that. I tried comparing pre-humidor Rockies pitchers to their bWAR, but those defenses were so terrible it is hard to isolate the extreme park factor from the extremely poor defense adjustments. Still Kyle Freeland’s 2018 RA/9 WAR almost matched Aaron Nola’s despite allowing 7 more runs in 10 fewer innings, so that would indicate there is a park factor adjustment.
FWIW, per b-ref, Gallen has actually had a slightly favorable set of parks this year with a park factor this year of 97.7. Since they put in the humidor in Chase it has played like close to a neutral park overall and the only other places he has made multiple starts is Dodger Stadium and Petco Park which are both pitcher friendly while he has also dodged making any starts in Coors.
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Well if unadjusted results are the important thing how about WPA or Championship Probability Added. That would strip out pitching in unimportant situations however defined.
I’m totally down for xwOBA + OAA MVP voting for position players, gimme the Tom Tango-led cyborg revolution. I don’t understand xERA enough to know if I should advocate for that deciding the best pitcher.
I personally don’t think it’s “luck” that Strider’s K-BB% is 10 points lower and his HR/9 is .2 higher when he’s pitching from the stretch, any more than I think it’s “luck” that Aaron Judge has a career BABIP of .340
ERA/RA9 based evaluations explicitly disregard luck.
FIP does take luck into account, in an attempt to exclude it from the evaluation tool.
It does so in two ways:
1) Saying that a pitcher has zero control of balls in play.
2) Saying that pitching from the stretch is exactly the same thing as pitching from the windup.
The issue, of course, is that both of those base assumptions are unambiguously, and demonstrably, untrue.
It can be useful as a tool in a small sample, but over time the errors compound to the point of claiming that Andy Pettitte had a better career than Zack Greinke and Javy Vazquez was better than Cole Hamels.
As far as typos go, I do enjoy conflating Snell and Strider into Snider.
I kept typing Striker throughout my first draft of the piece, which is rather on-the-nose
Striker landed the plane with all those sick folks on board (plus Dr. Leslie Nielsen and his fart machine) all while Izzy Mendlebaum was huffing glue in the control tower. That is commendable.
A russian baseball fan might conflate them into “Smyrdenka.”
I love blending the various pitching metrics together. Each one has it’s own little blind spot, but mixing them all together helps mitigate that.
On the table, the far right column is labeled xWAR, but the description refers to it as aWAR.
I’m of the mind that we have enough different metrics now that we should be able to triangulate them to find an answer. ERA- (or RA9), xERA (or an xWAR), and FIP- (or fWAR) should give you consistent enough answers to give you an answer. Up until fairly recently, that was Strider, but now I think it might be Steele (which I think the table bears out pretty well).
I would say Snell, he leads the NL in bWAR and earned run average. Plus he’s second in strike-outs. Over his last 19 starts Zilla has a 1.31ERA with 153 strike outs over 110 innings. In 14 of those games he’s allowed one earned run or less.
Good thing is I think will naturally play itself out, as per the last two sentences. One or two of the four will light it up their last few starts, another will get lit up, and the vote will be much easier, if more concentrated.
As a Mets fan the one thing I can be happy about is they have consistently (so far) beat up Strider.
Oof can’t edit and meant this as a reply also. Ignore as a top level statement 🙂
Gallen just put the rest of the contenders on notice that he is going to be a formidable force with a complete game 3-hitter. This was under the pressure of the tight NL wild card race while Snell pitches in meaningless games for a team that has been a complete embarrassment. Again the question of context becomes a very meaningful factor.
Well, Zac Gallen just threw a shutout today. I don’t think I’d count him out with a strong finish. If things break right, he could end up tied / leading the league in wins and innings pitched. It’d really help if his ERA started with a 2 rather than a 3, but every candidate is going to have some flaws.
Yeah…none of them are that great. I think this was meant to be Max Fried’s year, but unfortunately he got hurt.
Don’t care that much about awards voting, but Wheeler should be the guy.
His higher ERA’s explained by Phillies’ bad defense, which is why he’s even in bWAR w/ Justin Steele at 4.1 & barely behind Snell’s 4.6 (plus way ahead of Strider’s 3.0).
He’s the MLB leader in fWAR (5.7 in 170IP vs Strider’s 4.7 in 162IP) & NL leader in FIP- (Gausman’s at 64, Wheeler’s at 65, Strider’s at 67). He’s overperforming his xFIP at 2.93 vs 3.41, but he’s at 3.32 vs 3.58 for his career & has an xERA of 3.13 this year.
Plus even if you regress his FIP a bit towards his xFIP he probably still comes out ahead of Strider in fWAR b/c of his massive lead in IFFB% (13.8% vs 8.9%), which is how he has a 1.0 fWAR lead over Strider despite similar FIP’s.
Fact is Strider’s a novelty candidate vs Wheeler who only stands out due to his historical K% (while ignoring Wheeler’s much better BB% & GB%). He’s been good & will probably end up with the award at some point, but continuing to prop up his obviously doomed candidacy vs circling the wagons around Wheeler will end up with one of the flukish Snell + Steele winning the award.
I think this is a strong argument for Wheeler. He’s been fantastic on a rate basis and he has pitched a lot.
This year has featured some truly awful defenses. Usually it’s just the Reds and Phillies punting entirely on defense but this year the Red Sox and Athletics decided to join them (the Nationals are also terrible but that seems like it was by accident).
But the Phillies are the only one with a viable Cy Young candidate.
It would be nice to have an fWAR based on xFIP so we could acutally see. I’m of the opinion that FIP can basically be ignored if xFIP is available, the only difference is an adjustment to league average HR/FB% which follows closer to the intent of FIP.
I would guess that Wheeler and Strider would be fairly close in xfWAR, but it’s tough to eyeball.
In that case Strider has a 65 xFIP- and Wheeler 78. Wheeler’s 170 IP vs Strider’s 162 probably wouldn’t compensate enough
Fangraphs’ FIP-based WAR also factors in IFFB%. I would assume an xFIP-based WAR would include this as well, which would benefit Wheeler in this comparison.
I find it hard to understand why anyone cares about this award. The awards determined my voting mean absolutely nothing to me. I would rather just look at the numbers if I want to know who had the best year. The collective opinion of a bunch of yahoos isn’t really germane.
Once we get robo-umps maybe we move to an AI powered BBWAA.
I asked ChatGPT 3.5 its opinion on the 2023 Cy Young race and it gave me some pusillanimity about not having any data after September 2021 in the training set. Harrumph.
Well Jay looked at the numbers many different ways and came up with many different winners. It wasn’t enough
Snell has had an unquestionably good year, but his walk rate is over 5BB/9. More than five walks per nine inning game! These numbers are born out by the laborious experience of watching Snell pitch, even when things are mostly going well for him. Aesthetics are subjective, but I find it highly aesthetically displeasing to think of a guy who has so much trouble throwing strikes as a two-time Cy Young award winner. Yuck.
I find Snell to be by far the least aesthetically pleasing pitcher to watch. He is the complete inverse of Mark Buehrle for me.
I think it should be Strider, but I expect Steele to get the award this year. It seems to me that voters like to reward guys for exceptional seasons, especially when the competition is likely to get the award in some future season. Steele’s year might be seen as a career year by the voters, who will reward it as such, whereas Strider having a down year is a reason to cast a vote elsewhere, with the assurance that Strider is very, very likely to win the Cy Young at some point in the near future.
In case of no clear statistical winner the narrative might not be a bad way of looking at it. That would eliminate Snell. It might eliminate Strider since his teammates were better than Wheeler’s and Gallen’s. But one could argue that Strider held the staff together in the absence of Fried. But if Gallen throws a 1-0 shutout in the last game to get Arizona into the playoffs that might support him
In the case there’s no clear statistical outlier, I think some simple starting pitcher statistics could help clarify things. If we’re not giving the Cy Young to a reliever, then what does a good starting pitcher do?
So let’s start with pitching wins. Pitchers credited with wins are good, so lets add that. Let’s also add any ‘wins lost’ – situations where they were in line for the win, but the team lost the game later. Lets also add any ‘tough losses’ – losses in quality starts. If the starter made a quality start, they gave their team a chance to win. If that number is more than the number of quality starts they had, keep that, otherwise credit them with the number of quality starts they made.
Where do previous NL Cy Youngs rate?
2017 – Max Scherzer, tied for 2nd (Gio Gonzales, Zach Davies tied 1st)
2018 – Jacob deGrom, tied for 1st with Max Scherzer
2019 – Jacob deGrom, 3rd, behind Patrick Corbin (2nd), Stephen Strasburg (1st)
2020 – Trevor Bauer, tied for 2nd, behind Yu Darvish and Zach Davies
2021 – Corbin Burnes, 15th, Walker Buehler was 1st by a wide margin
2022 – Sandy Alcantara, tied for 2nd, behind Chris Bassitt and Yu Darvish tied for 1st
For 2023, who is ahead in my junk stat?
Lots of guys tied at 10 with 16.
Despite the high ERA and some blowouts, Spender Strider has given his team a chance to win. Blake Snell has done the same despite the high walk rate. Logan Webb is leading the NL in quality starts.
I think it is still anyone’s award to win, and I wouldn’t count any of the guys on this list out.
Get that people have varied opinions about WPA but when there’s a debate like this with no clear leader or even group that has separated themselves it might be worth taking a look at WPA:
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13. Strider
Yeah, the blow ups are enough to disqualify Strider for me. I get that he’s not the only pitcher who does this but he’s pitching specifically to the advanced stats and when a player does that his actual effectiveness does decouple at some point. Call it the James Harden asterisk.
Framber is not NL; what exactly is the rationale for this being especially meaningful for CYA?
Any article about pitching that mentions fWAR has to be taken with a grain of salt
I think Freddy Peralta deserves to be in this conversation.