The Rockies’ Hard Place

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When the Rockies fired Bud Black on Sunday, the immediate reaction — a sarcastic “Oh, sure, that’ll solve everything” — missed… not all the point, but some of the point.

Last year, we watched the Chicago White Sox lose more games than any major league team in history, and if the White Sox hadn’t gotten white hot in the last week of the season, the final number would’ve been much more embarrassing than 121. This year’s Rockies are worse. Maybe a lot worse.

Just two weeks ago, Dan Szymborski busted out the ol’ ZiPS machine for the purpose of finding the likelihood that the 121-loss threshold would be broken once again. The Rockies had a 7.0% chance of at least matching Chicago’s record, and a 5.2% chance of taking it outright.

The Rockies — who, hilariously, chose to fire Black after a rare win — lost 13 of their next 15 after Dan’s article. They’re playing at a 28-win pace, which is obviously unsustainable. To get a clearer picture of how bad things have gotten, I asked Dan to run the numbers again. Before Monday’s games, the Rockies had climbed (or fallen) to a 13.9% chance of at least tying the White Sox, and an 11.6% chance of going 40-122 or worse.

That’s not a fait accompli. Maybe interim manager Warren Schaeffer, in a feat of Churchillian leadership, can light a fire under these violet-clad unfortunates and coach them up into a garden variety 110-loss team. But it’s a sobering figure. If there were an 11.6% chance of bricks falling from the sky, you wouldn’t leave your house without wearing a helmet.

So no, I don’t think Black was the real problem. Black is a perfectly average major league manager. Over his first 14 seasons as a major league manager, Black posted a .482 winning percentage. He’d never won fewer than 71 games, or more than 91, in a full season to that point. Narrow-eyed and silver-haired, Black managed with an air of understated, even dignified restraint. He’s been ejected 38 times in 2,596 games, but I don’t remember him ever bumping an umpire or turning colors while dressing down a player in public, or anything else that might dishonor himself or his uniform.

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But the Rockies fired Black because when a team starts 7-33 (7-34 after Monday’s loss against the Rangers), heads have to roll, and there’s an order in which these things get done. I don’t think he’s done anything objectionable, but a big part of the manager’s job comes when that job ends. His is always the first head to roll.

Insofar as there was a problem with Black, it’s this: Mostly I forgot he was there. And so too, it seemed, did management and ownership.

Black’s first two seasons in Colorado were awesome; 2017 and 2018 brought two of the five playoff appearances in franchise history, and two of the four seasons (out of 33) in which the Rockies finished more than two games over .500. But since then, they’ve sucked.

Any manager (at least, any non-Yankees-under-George Steinbrenner manager) would get a pass for going 71-91, as Black’s Rockies did, after two straight playoff appearances. Then came the pandemic year. But if Dick Monfort and his functionaries wanted to throw the manager onto a pyre for poor performance, they had cause to do so as early as 2021. It’s been four years since then, including consecutive 100-loss seasons. Is anyone even home?

The Rockies, it turns out, are famously insular. They like and trust Their Guys, and are loath to turn over personnel or chase the latest innovations. In almost any other industry, that quality would be benign at worst, or even laudable. But baseball is zero-sum. If you’re not advancing, you’re falling behind. And since Black last led the Rockies to the playoffs, the industry-wide rate of innovation has only exploded.

The Rockies are far from the only team that’s chained inescapably to a millstone of an owner. But Monfort’s problem is not that he doesn’t spend. This year’s Rockies are 21st in the league in payroll; every crappy Rockies team since 2019 has cost at least $118 million to field. As recently as 2023, the Rockies ran a $172 million payroll. They’ve locked up their promising homegrown players and dipped into at least the middle tier of free agency with some regularity. They’re not the Mets or Dodgers, but I’d hesitate to call the Rockies a cheap organization.

It’s an irony that borders on tragic, because good players cost a lot. Hiring people who can implement a good process is relatively inexpensive. Jake Mintz of Yahoo just wrote a more extensive blow-by-blow of where the Rockies fall short, but one detail of his reporting stood out: “[S]ources indicated to Yahoo that Monfort — who chaired the owners committee during the 2022 CBA negotiations — is hoping the next CBA contains a salary cap… that extends beyond MLB payroll to cover all organizational spending, including coaching, technology and scouting.”

Seeking a cap of off-field spending would be a cataclysmic error from Monfort, who would merely close off the cheapest and fastest way for his team to return to parity with his rivals. It would only calcify the disadvantage his organization has embraced; if the Rockies and Dodgers could spend the same amount of money across their entire organization, why on Earth would you believe that the Rockies would spend it more wisely?

I don’t think anyone, especially outside the Rockies organization, does.

I think a lot about a conversation I had last year with Jeff Hoffman, a former Colorado pitching prospect now with the Blue Jays, who snarked his former team with a readiness I did not expect from an active player on the record.

I had a similar conversation with Gerrit Cole early in his tenure with the Astros, when he was in the midst of becoming the future Hall of Famer we know now, largely by junking what he learned in Pittsburgh. Cole was cautious and precise, even parsimonious, in his response.

By contrast, here’s Hoffman 13 months ago: “Shoot, in Colorado, we didn’t really have an analytics department. I’m not even sure if they have one right now, judging by how everything’s going there.”

It’s not just Hoffman who talks like that about the Rockies. Everyone talks like that about the Rockies. And every time it happens, I’m astonished that there’s an entire organization — one that made the playoffs not too long ago — that’s not just poor, or cursed, but gets talked about like it’s got toilet paper stuck to its shoe.

Based on both process and results, it’s hard to draw any other conclusion. They’re not totally incompetent; turning defensive wizards Ezequiel Tovar and Brenton Doyle into league-average hitters was a pedagogical triumph. And even in the thin air, they develop the occasional All-Star pitcher.

Unfortunately, every success is watered down by an avalanche of failures. In the past 10 drafts, the Rockies have made 16 first-round picks. Only one, Brendan Rodgers, has a positive career WAR. Only one other Rockies pick in the first three rounds — 41 players in all — is more than a win above replacement for his career: Garrett Hampson, a utilityman and pinch-runner with a career wRC+ of 69 and a WAR of 1.4 in 648 games.

In 2022, fortuned smiled on the Rockies, who had Kris Bryant fall into their lap in free agency. Back in the mid-2010s, everyone was sick of Bryce Harper, Mike Trout mostly kept to himself, and Shohei Ohtani was still in Japan, leaving baseball without a marquee superstar. This was a source of constant discussion, and Bryant — a tall, handsome recent MVP — got brought up as a potential Face of Baseball as much as anyone. In his walk year, Bryant hit .265/.353/.481 while playing five positions regularly; the Rockies’ needs at the time were great, but Bryant could fill any void.

But in three-plus seasons in Colorado, Bryant has been hurt most of the time and sub-replacement level when available. He might as well have been abducted by aliens. He’s become the face of the Rockies organization, but not in the way anyone involved in the signing had hoped.

I could go on.

Obviously, firing the manager doesn’t fix all this. But I don’t know what does. I don’t even know where to start. You could say Monfort ought to sell the team — a fish rots from the head and all — but the one person capable of having the most deleterious effect on a franchise is the one person you can’t fire.

Firing Black only makes sense if it’s the first step — again, there’s an accepted order to such things — in a complete organizational overhaul. Not just a rebuild, or a tank, or a reset. If the Rockies sell off their veterans now, they won’t get much in the teardown, and it won’t matter anyway, because their prospects won’t develop. Unless they completely change the way they operate in order to catch up to the other 29 teams, a rebuild would only reproduce the same results.

It’s not an easy thing to contemplate, the beginning of a rebuild during what will surely be the third straight 100-loss season. It’ll take time to tear the Rockies down to the studs. But the studs themselves could be worse. They have a great ballpark in a fashionable city, and access to a wide-ranging audience beyond. If the Rockies build something worth following, they could become not only a local powerhouse, but a regional one, the way the Braves and Cardinals were in earlier stages of expansion.

And here’s another thing I don’t understand, but one that gives me hope. Black got fired on Sunday, but his tenure really ended the night before, when the Rockies took one of the worst losses you’ll ever see on a major league diamond: 21-0 to the Padres.

Not only did the Rockies lose to a division rival by a football score, they got shut out — as in complete-game shutout — at Coors Field by unfancied 28-year-old Stephen Kolek. It’s the first complete-game shutout at Coors in three years, and only the 28th ever. And while only four pitchers have thrown shutouts so far this season, two of them — Kolek and Michael King — did it for the Padres against the Rockies.

That’s the kind of loss that turns into a meme. The kind that makes kids watching on TV wonder why they’re wasting their time on baseball when Nathan MacKinnon and Nikola Jokic play in Denver. The kind that condemns normal teams to a decade of empty ballparks.

Here’s what I can’t believe: 38,423 people showed up to Coors Field on Saturday night. The Rockies drew 30,490 the night before, and 34,422 the following afternoon.

I know what a dead franchise looks like; we saw it in Oakland, and we’re seeing it now in Pittsburgh. But the Rockies, for whatever reason, have not yet abused their fans’ patience to the extent that the relationship is irrecoverable.

But firing the manager can’t be the only response to the team having a winning percentage that wouldn’t cut it as a batting average. Rockies fans seem to be more patient than most, but they’re not idiots or masochists. They’ve waited five or 10 years too long for a reset already; I don’t know how much more they’ll tolerate.





Michael is a writer at FanGraphs. Previously, he was a staff writer at The Ringer and D1Baseball, and his work has appeared at Grantland, Baseball Prospectus, The Atlantic, ESPN.com, and various ill-remembered Phillies blogs. Follow him on Twitter, if you must, @MichaelBaumann.

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ginaroyalsfan
1 year ago

The big question is, is the Rockies ownership and front office finally beginning to face reality? Whatever they’re doing right now certainly isn’t getting good results.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  ginaroyalsfan

What does “facing reality” mean here? They decided to hang on to Ryan McMahon because Monfort liked him. I’m not sure if Monfort is going to change his stripes on trading the team’s only tradeable player (I guess he could trade Dollander too, that would be funny).

They definitely need to completely clean house in the front office, but the only guy currently not with the organization who has ever been linked to the head job here is Thad Levine. Who would almost certainly be a huge improvement over what they have…

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

To put it delicately, a guy named Levine may not be a “good fit” for a front-office job in Colorado. People really underrate how much this team’s born-again ownership imposes a tacit religious standard on its hiring — and how much that seems to be affecting the organization’s competence.

basically baseballMember since 2024
1 year ago

Excellent point. The insularity is regularly mentioned but the you gotta be a religious fundamentalist nut job to work here is ignored.

lzfreakMember since 2020
1 year ago

If that’s actually a real factor in personnel decisions… isn’t that super illegal?

crackbaldoMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  lzfreak

Nope. Not in today’s climate. Unfortunately.

kidzeroMember since 2019
1 year ago

I’m with you on that…there was a reason why the Rox were so infatuated with Kris Bryant.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

I don’t think that would be a problem on the Rockies side. Levine used to work for them, and they tried to interview him for the job after Brdich was fired. Levine declined to be interviewed, and while I just assumed he didn’t want to be set up to fail in his first POBO job maybe not going back to work for born-again types was a benefit.

To be super vague, born-again types being enthusiastic about a Jewish person and the Jewish person not feeling the same way at all would mirror some other interactions I’ve seen.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Sure, I don’t know anything about the personal relationship with him specifically, I just wanted to mention the larger issue since I think it’s become sort of the elephant in the front office here. I am also self-censoring to avoid personally identifying anecdotes at this point!

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

It does explain why they don’t like to go outside the organization. There are definitely a lot of devout Christians working in major league offices but if they have a specific culture it might be hard even for them because it’s not like every devout Christian thinks a Christian workplace should look or feel the same way…

It’s still not good though.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
1 year ago

I had no idea. Wow.

Jimbob SweatypantsMember since 2016
1 year ago

I’m curious what evidence you have to support such a claim. Anything you can share?

formerly matt wMember since 2025
1 year ago

This doesn’t mean there’s necessarily a tacit religious standard, but the Rockies’ culture has been pretty well known for a very long time I thought. Bob Nightengale wrote an article in 2006 (early in the Monfort brothers’ ownership) describing them as having a “Christian-based code of conduct.” There was a New York Times article about this in 2007 in which a lot of people said that they felt the religious aspect had been somewhat overblown and that it was more about character. In that article Jason Hirsh, a Jewish pitcher who’d been traded to them, said he never felt uncomfortable–“It’s not like they hung a cross in my locker or anything”–but it’s the sort of thing the team has to have a certain reputation for it to come up at all.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
1 year ago

If they forced him to sell, the Christian Wrong would eviscerate MLB.

A lot of the most powerful groups in this country are also its most evil.

dodgersfansteveMember since 2024
1 year ago

The Pirates and Marlins are dying from neglect. The Rockies are dying because of systemic incompetence.

sbrouscMember since 2018
1 year ago

Oh, there’s plenty of incompetence in Pittsburgh as well. It ain’t the Rockies with the largest amateur bonus pool (R4 + international) in baseball over the last six years – it’s the Pirates. You couldn’t even fill a small elevator with the major league fruits of those drafts.

That doesn’t excuse Bob Nutting one bit – but whatever resources that do trickle down into baseball operations are incompetently squandered.

crackbaldoMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  sbrousc

As a prime example of the incompetence in Pittsburgh, Henry Davis might go down as the worst number one overall pick in draft history. He’s currently bringing up the rear in career WAR at an astonishing -1.9 fWAR in only about 400 PA’s.

sbrouscMember since 2018
1 year ago
Reply to  crackbaldo

It’s an interesting debate as to which is worse: the #1 pick who never played an inning (Brady Aiken, Brien Taylor) or the #1 pick who contributed negative WAR (Davis, Danny Goodwin, Shawn Abner)?

At least Davis has a puncher’s chance to dig out of that hole, now that he’s a full-time catcher and gets a bump from the WAR positional adjustment.

PhilMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  sbrousc

I think the Brady Aiken pick worked out very well for the Astros, as they then got the no. 2 pick a year later as compensation, and used it to pick Alex Bregman who put up 39.7 fWAR as an Astro.

Though, I think the Astros were a bit lucky – as they reneged on signing two other prospects in the Aiken draft due to losing the no. 1 draft pool money – and they could have been forced to draft them, going over their pool allocation, and thus forfeiting picks in the following year.

maguroMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  crackbaldo

It’s mind boggling how bad he’s been. I have never seen a guy who hit as well as he did in the minors hit this badly in the majors. I find it really inexplicable, he is literally hitting like a pitcher.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  crackbaldo

Pretty much all of the best players out of that draft came quite a bit later. Jackson Merrill, James Wood, Bubba Chandler (who the Pirates signed overslot using savings from Davis), Carson Williams, Matt McLain…maybe Jobe or Lawlar or Mayer makes the Davis pick look bad, and Cowser had a pretty good year. But aside from Cowser who has already put in an all-star caliber year, I would argue that the first guy in that draft who has real star potential is Andrew Painter at #13, and 11 other teams passed on him.

And who knows, maybe Davis turns into a competent hitter, at least for a catcher. Spencer Torkelson looked pretty awful last year, Joey Bart didn’t ht much at all for his original team, Jackson Holliday couldn’t hit at all when he first got called up last year…I don’t think it is likely that Davis improves to roughly league average as a hitter with the Pirates’ terrible offensive development but it isn’t impossible.

A Salty ScientistMember since 2024
1 year ago

While there’s time for him to turn it around, Charlie Condon’s huge increase in K rate is yet another snake bite. I don’t think anyone predicted that.

Sonny LMember since 2017
1 year ago

Almost all draft coverage mentioned Condon’s swing and miss and concerning home/road splits at UGA.

SpencerLBMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Sonny L

Sounds like the perfect Rockie to me

Brian ReinhartMember since 2016
1 year ago

Eric did: “hit tool risk…Especially if you think Condon is a first baseman, his bat has very little margin for error and you might end up underwhelmed like the Tigers and White Sox have been with Spencer Torkelson and Andrew Vaughn.”

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Brian Reinhart

Eric was the lowest on Condon by a lot, but he eventually came around when it looked like Condon might be able to fake third base or center field (and play a good right field).

But he never went as high on Condon as everyone else, and I think Eric’s concerns about Condon’s grooved swing are proving to be well-founded. He is the only person I read who pointed this out, probably because everyone else was so blown away by his statline in the SEC they figured he would adjust.

A Salty ScientistMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  Brian Reinhart

Eric was the low man on the hit tool, but still had him ranked 4th. Other evaluators had him as a tossup for 1 or 2. I think it’s unfair to call this a drafting miss, and to have expected such bad K rates in high A after having college rates similar to other top ranked SEC players.

PC1970Member since 2024
1 year ago

He may be one of those guys where he was just picked by the wrong team that can’t help him succeed.

Wonder if he would be having the same issues if one of the teams that has proven they can help hitters had drafted him.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

I am not disagreeing that this team is bad. They’re on pace to shatter every bad MLB team record out there, at least from any era that matters. Like -550 run differential, 130+ losses. They have the worst offense (66 wRC+) and second worst run prevention (-1.6 RA9-WAR) in MLB, and both of them are kind of outliers.

And it is very clear that if you are in this situation you have screwed up a lot of different things. Not just one thing, you’ve very likely messed up most things.

If they kept this up, they would be the worst team in MLB history. But the Oakland Athletics in 2023 were also super bad. At one point in the season they were 10-45, which is not much better than this and further along in the season so with less time to course correct. At that point (late May) they had a run differential of something like -190. They wound up with 50 wins, even as their run differential indicated they were one of the worst MLB teams of all time.

It is very, very hard to be this bad. I don’t know that you could be this bad unless you actively tried. It means they probably aren’t. They are probably going to have more wins than the White Sox did last year.

david k
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I remember that about those A’s. I was watching them play the Angels in Anaheim sometime around May or June and was looking at the player stats on the Jumbotron and remarked at how awful every single one of them are. I don’t follow the stats of every MLB player like I used to, so this caught me by surprise, so I did some digging and saw they were on pace to absolutely obliterate the worst run differential in MLB history. I believe it was a mid-1940s Red Sox team that holds that record, and it was something like -450 runs, and the A’s were on pace for something like -550 as you said. The differential turned out to be -339, so they weren’t even close to breaking that record, much less shattering it.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  david k

Yeah the record was -349, and they finished at -339 despite a second half “surge” that left them at 50 wins.

The position players were bad but the real issue was that their pitchers would melt down if you left them out there for more than a couple innings. Shintaro Fujinami got 7 starts but only lasted for like 17 innings across them because he got shelled (like an ERA of 13 or something as a starter). They were unwatchable in the first few months of 2023.

RyanMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Don’t underestimate their division. The Sox got “beat up” by the AL Central teams. Getting “beat up” by this NL West is a totally different animal.

thaaldermanMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  Ryan

In addition to being absolutely horrible, the 2024 White Sox were also the unluckiest team I’ve ever watched, of any kind, by far. Notably, they would not have set the losses record if Travis Jankowksi didn’t make what is assuredly one of the greatest catches in MLB history to rob an Andrew Vaughn walk-off home run in late August.

This Rockies team is dreadful. They’re also not going to break the losses record.

nelliseMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  thaalderman

The White Sox would have set the record by multiple games if a team that was 36-120 somehow didn’t go 5-1 over it’s last 6 games. The 2003 Tigers also did that which is super weird. The Mets in 1962 were 2-4 in their last 6 which is more like what you’d expect.

LMOTFOTEMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  Ryan

AL Central is actually pretty solid looking, last year and this year. Not many star players, but good run prevention for every team not in Chicago.

dodgerbleu
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It is incredibly hard, but there is a key difference between that A’s team and this Rockies team. Besides the fact that the Rockies spend money, that is.

The difference between the 2023 AL West and the 2025 NL West is about the difference between me who still day dreams about baseball in his 40s but can’t even catch 9 innings in rec ball once a week anymore, and a player that belongs in the MLB.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

Also can you imagine other teams being willing to cap the amount of resources they are pouring into scouting and analytics? Teams really do not want oversight of how they spend their money, they just want to keep player salaries down.

I am also guessing it would also face some pretty serious legal hurdles. It is very unlikely to me that scouts and analysts would be willing to accept this given that it would be in negotiations with the players union and not them!

PhilMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Having a cap on front office spending seems like you’re encouraging the cheap teams to be cheap and the creative teams to be… creative with the rules. Like set up a baseball consultants company owned by your real estate side business, and the consultancy rates turn out to be minimum wage! I’m sure there are reasons why that wouldn’t work, but I’m sure the teams who want to would find some work around.

Like for years (and I don’t know if this still happens or if the league has closed the loophole) the Dodgers did this accountancy trick to give their draftees an extra couple of thousand dollars. The money is tiny compared to the team – and a players whose signing bonus is in the millions – but to a guy who gets a bonus of $50k, it is probably appropriated. I don’t know if other teams did it, but I got the feeling it was basically the Dodgers and the Rays – I do wonder if other teams knew about it, and if they did, did the copy it, think it not worth bothering with, think it was unethical (like the Orioles not signing international prospects), or they just didn’t want to spend a few thousand dollars extra.

Jason BMember since 2017
1 year ago

In the past 10 drafts, the Rockies have made 16 first-round picks. Only one, Brendan Rodgers, has a positive career WAR. Only one other Rockies pick in the first three rounds — 41 players in all — is more than a win above replacement for his career: Garrett Hampson, a utilityman and pinch-runner with a career wRC+ of 69 and a WAR of 1.4 in 648 games.

This is just breathtaking in its sheer ineptitude; the incompetence is just unfathomable. How does a blind squirrel not find a single goddamn nut in a decade?

Is it talent identification – i.e., did they overdraft players far above where more competent organizations had them slotted? How were their drafts graded contemporaneously? If their drafts graded well enough, then is it a player development issue – are the failures in the minor league systems or at the major league level? If you’re drafting (for example) the 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 6th, and 8th rated prospects over a 5-year period and none of them develop into even passable major leaguers, then who has been held to account for that? What types of players should they be leaning into more generally for sustained success at that park in that altitude? As a top-rated prospect I would be terrified to be drafted by this organization right now.

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
1 year ago
Reply to  Jason B

When they draft hitters, they draft guys with a poor hit tool (Condon, Montgomery, Veen, Toglia, Beck, despite him being one of only ones on the team who is hitting). It’s just really not a good combination, especially at Coors Field, where BABIP is king.

When they draft pitchers, they usually bust, I am assuming the altitude is the biggest factor, but I also say that their development staff is to blame here as well.

The thing that’s kinda weird though is that Bill Schmidt used to be known as a good talent evaluator, but basically since he’s become GM, that’s sort of gone down in flames.

Last edited 1 year ago by TheGarrettCooperFanClub
sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

I remember the prospects list this year for the Rockies there were like six different guys whose hit tool looked like a binary “no” grade. Interestingly most of those guys were on the international side, like Yanquiel Fernandez, Robert Calaz, and Kelvin Hidalgo. But Benny Montgomery is absolutely like that and they drafted him high.

I didn’t include Zac Veen in that group, who can’t seem to buy a hit. Or Condon. Maybe I should have, even though it’s only 20 PAs if you’re striking out almost half the time in complex ball after dominating the SEC something is really wrong. Like maybe he is hurt?

AltitudeSchmaltitude
1 year ago

The pitchers dont even make it to altitude before they suck

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
1 year ago

Haha, yes, good point. Albuquerque is their only minor league affiliate with actual meaningful altitude. I’ve always thought that if they were actually serious about solving the altitude problem, they should put all of their minor league affiliates in serious altitude. The key to knowing how to pitch at altitude is to pitch at altitude.

A Salty ScientistMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  Jason B

Hitters should do fine there, but they’ve mostly gone with pitchers with their top 10 picks. Riley Pint (HS pitcher) at #4 was bad process. Gabriel Hughes was an okay pick at #10, but got hurt. Chase Dollander may be okay. On the hitter side, Zac Veen never really developed well and Benny Montgomery got hurt. And then none of their late first and beyond picks have done much. I think it’s some bad luck on the injury front, but mostly poor drafting and development. Most teams have mid-round guys pop up as useful players, but other than Brenton Doyle, I don’t think the Rockies have anyone. Whether that’s an inability to identify those guys or develop them, I’m not sure. But I lean the latter based on Veen and Rodgers, who didn’t seem like bad picks at the time.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Jason B

Some of this is just that there is a huge bust rate for everyone in the first round, but not quite to that degree. You can’t really throw out numbers like in a vacuum, you have to compare it to the alternatives.

Here’s what I remember and see, I’m not including picks after 30 because at that point it’s pretty random (although they have been bad there too):

2016: Riley Pint seemed like a reasonable pick in a weak draft, but he’s become a cautionary tale for drafting hard-throwing prep pitchers high. Fun fact, the top 30 picks did not produce a single all-star that year. The best player in the top 12 is I think Braxton Garrett. Hard to blame them.

2017: No first round pick.

2018: Ryan Rolison was picked at 22, this is in the area of the draft where there’s usually a pretty big drop off in talent, and they were bit a unlucky where a bunch of good prospects came off the board directly before them (Singer, Gorman, Larnach, and Turang). The picks after Rolison were Anthony Seigler (bust), Nico Hoerner (widely seen as a reach at the time, not anymore), Matt McLain (who didn’t sign), Triston Casas (some promise), Mason Denaburg (not sure he is still in the league)…the next pick who has turned in a decent MLB contributor is Bo Naylor, eight picks later. Hard to burn them too much for this one.

2019: Got Michael Toglia at 23. The next six picks were busts, and made mostly by teams with good front offices. Seven picks down was Anthony Volpe, eight down was Michael Busch. I’m pretty sure lots of teams wish they had picked Volpe, but he was seen as a tough sign for not an elite scouting profile.

2020: Zac Veen at #9. This was a weird draft because college ball was mostly cancelled, so people were relying on the previous year’s data and high school showcases. Veen was seen as about right for this range. Reid Detmers and Garret Crochet were picked right after him, and Patrick Bailey at #13 so this is the first time you can really say they could have done better. Two of those three guys took a while to turn into their best selves, and the third is still working on it. They could have definitely done better, but the highest rated guys still left were Detmers who is still working things out, and then Mick Abel, Ed Howard, and Austin Hendrick and they wouldn’t have been any better than Veen.

2021: Benny Montgomery at #8. This was the first time I think people were criticizing it as it happened, with Rocker, House, Khalil Watson, Matt McLain, Andrew Painter, Harry Ford, and Sal Frelick all still on the board. And with the exception of Watson, all of those guys would have been better picks. A clear whiff, almost everyone.

2022: Gabriel Hughes at #10. This was the second time people were criticizing it as it happened. Parada, Cam Collier, Jace Jung, Zach Neto, Dylan Lesko, and Chase DeLauter were all still on the board. I think Collier was the obvious pick starting around #9 for the Royals, but he fell away the to the Reds at #18. Neto would have been a good pick too. The others, it’s hard to say.

Short answer: The Rockies really did whiff a lot. Some, but not all of that, is just a high base rate of whiffing in the areas of the draft they picked. The picks didn’t get worse over time, but they did become much less defensible starting around 2020, and definitely in 2021. Interestingly, Jeff Brdich stepped down in April of 2021 and Bill Schmidt was named interim, and he had been overseeing the draft for something like the preceding 20 years.

Jason BMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Thank you for this detailed response. As you said, many to most high draft picks fail to live up to their potential, but ye gads the Rockies have had either a bad process or rotten luck for quite a while now. Likely some of both.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Jason B

I admit that this is my preexisting bias but I think the biggest problem the Rockies face isn’t that they have gotten worse (although I think that has happened quite a bit since Schmidt took over) but because every other team has gotten better. I have long thought that the difference between Dan O’Dowd and Jeff Brdich was the competition. And to some extent you see this with the drafting and development. The base rate of failure is still high but it’s not a huge problem if other teams are also bad at the same things. I think what you are seeing if you look at bad drafting teams over time isn’t that they are getting worse it’s that after a while the picks taken immediately after them start doing better.

The Rockies nabbed Trevor Story at pick #45 after other more successful teams grabbed shortstops such as Joe Panik, Levi Michael, Jake Hager, and Brandon Martin. I think the Rays—everyone’s favorite organization at FanGraphs—had FIVE picks before Story and I don’t think any of them became real major league contributors (I don’t even remember if any of them made it to the majors). The Red Sox (who were awesome then) had four before Story, I think, and while Jackie Bradley turned into a pretty good player the others did not. It’s a lot easier to deal with making mistakes when everyone else is making them too.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The Trevor Story draft was the one where, through exploitation of the comp pick rules, the Rays had 12 picks in the top 100. The only one with bbWAR over 0.3 was Blake Snell, who they got at 52 with the comp pick for Brad Hawpe, but he turned out pretty well.

I wouldn’t say that that draft is one where other front offices were making mistakes more than they would lately. Eleven out of 60 picks in the first round + supplementals have over 20 bbWAR and they went at 1 (Cole), 3 (Bauer), 6 (Rendon), 8 (Lindor), 9 (Baez), 11 (Springer), 13 (Nimmo), 18 (Sonny Gray), 22 (Wong), 45 (Story), and 52 (Snell); there’s also Jose Fernandez at 14. This isn’t bad and the Rockies also did fine getting Tyler Anderson at 20 (though not so fine cutting him when they did).

What I painfully know as a Pirates fan is that, though individual picks may be defensible for the most part and most picks at a given slot may fail, missing on all of them is a bad sign. You need to come up with the occasional Story.

kidzeroMember since 2019
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

As if it couldn’t be worse, the Rockies won’t even have a top 10 draft pick in the 2026 amateur draft. Bad timing for tanking, Dickhead Monfort…

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  kidzero

This happened with the White Sox last year as well.

I think this should drive the last nails in the coffin of the idea that teams are intentionally trying to be bad to get high draft picks.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The Denaburg comment is timely–he just announced his retirement from pro ball to become a punter for UCF.

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
1 year ago
Reply to  Jason B

The Guardians have not done much better of late. When I scanned each team’s first rounders, they jumped out at me as not having done all that great recently.

Basically, in the 60ish years of the draft, each franchise has about 1~4 HOFish quality guys drafted in the 1st round, except possibly the Marlins who top out at Adrian Gonzalez, Christian Yelich, and Josh Beckett. (The Rays have Longoria, who is an interesting case.)

Looking at it, it’s pretty sobering to realize how unlikely it is to pull impact players consistently in the first round. Basically, hitting on 2-4 in short period of time is about the best you can hope for.

AnonMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  Jason B

It goes beyond just the 1st round.

In the last 10 drafts, they have had a total of 4 guys who have accumulated more than 2 bWAR – Rodgers, Doyle, Sam Hilliard and Jake Bird (using b-ref since it’s easier to track the draft results there). Only Rodgers and Doyle have more than 3 bWAR and neither has more than 6 bWAR. Even beyond that, there’s only a smattering of guys between 1 and 2 bWAR – Hampson, Bryan Baker, Lucas Gilbraith.

I mean. . . .that’s just bleak.

The 4 drafts before that were OK with Freeland, Jon Gray, McMahon, Tyler Anderson and Story

I’d start with what changed in 2015 because man, that’s just some pretty bad drafting there.

dangledangleMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  Anon

The need to fire everyone. Start from a completely clean slate. Then invest in their ops and front office. Sure there would likely be mistakes but the bar is very low.

LMOTFOTEMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  dangledangle

Interesting angle. If you could completely throw away the entire organization, and then re-boot as an expansion team with a new owner, would they be better off? Seems like the answer is “yes”.

PhilMember since 2016
1 year ago

Hang on, they have had 4 seasons where they got more than 84 wins? Ouch.

I think a good Rockies team would be really fun – they have a great stadium, get good crowds. Hopefully this season convinces Monfort that he should just be the guy who writes the cheques and employ some smart people to build the Rockies from the ground up. (Though I do worry that the next POBO he hires will be the baseball equivalent of Lionel Hutz with the guy who can fit three pool balls in his mouth as the GM.)

I’d imagine there a quite a few GMs or assistant GMs out there who would love a chance to completely build a whole baseball operations from scratch – and would love the challenge of ‘solving’ Coors Field.

If the Rockies do make it back to the playoffs, I do wonder if the Coors hangover would actually benefit them – as they’d be used to it, but the other team wouldn’t be used to playing the Rockies at altitude and then playing them at sea level.

booondMember since 2019
1 year ago

They are horrible but they are missing three starters (if Freeman is a starter) due to injury. That should help their offense and, possibly, defense when they return.

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
1 year ago

Why *aren’t* we having a serious conversation about relegation if half the owners wanna compete and the other half just wanna own ballclubs?

averagejoe15Member since 2024
1 year ago

Because it would be opposed by both MLBPA and team ownership so it’s really a non-starter. It would also require significant structural changes to professional baseball in the US as a whole. But the former is the primary reason there is no conversation outside fans and media.

didaceMember since 2024
1 year ago

I’m wondering how you think that would work. Minor league players are contracted with the major league clubs.

NATS FanMember since 2018
1 year ago

I think what needs to happen is owners should be forced to sell if after 15 seasons their team has not won a playoff game.

PC1970Member since 2024
1 year ago

Even more amazing- They are already 20 games out of 1st & 14.5 game. On pace to end up 79 games out of 1st & 57 out of 4th!

I watched a little bit of them vs Detroit last week (BTW, they were swept in a DH by the score of 21-3 on Thursday) & I can honestly say it was the worst team I think I’ve ever seen. Yes, worse than the 2003 Tigers & 2024 White Sox.

Biggest issue was they just looked sloppy, made a ton of bonehead plays.Not having talent is one thing, looking like a bad HS team fundamentally is another.

Sonny LMember since 2017
1 year ago

Dick Montfort, architect of the MiLB gutting, is still given prime seating at MLB planning meetings?!?!?!?

If Manfred is willing to let Montfort remake the league in his desired image then the rest of the owners should stand up and protect their investment.

carterMember since 2020
1 year ago

Because Coors field is an awesome location. That’s why this still happens. Hell I’m flying there just to watch a weekend series this summer just because I can.

MikeSMember since 2020
1 year ago

I continue to be befuddled by owners that refuse to spen d small amounts that can make their teams better, then wonder why they can’t catch the Guardians or Rays, much less the Dodgers or Yankees.

SolitaireMember since 2020
1 year ago

So, the complementary question is, “How did the Rockies succeed in 2017-18?” They did develop Arenado, Story, Blackmon, Lemahieu, Freeland, Marquez, and Gray all at roughly the same time. Are all the people in charge of that gone now?

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
1 year ago
Reply to  Solitaire

The pitchers all just had really good seasons at the same time, I don’t think there was much scientific about it, especially because they all regressed significantly in the years following it.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Solitaire

Yeah they kind of are! O’Dowd was in charge until 2012, where things got weird with basically a co-GM situation, then Brdich took over in 2014, and then he resigned early in 2021. It wouldn’t surprise me if there has also been attrition for the various minor league coaches and instructors as well as the scouts, and the major league coaches are also different.

inhighdefinitionMember since 2025
1 year ago

I came across an Out of the Park Baseball Rockies save and the thumbnail read, “what even is this?”

Perctly sums up the Rockies, in my opinion.

NATS FanMember since 2018
1 year ago

The Rockies are how every organization gets when they are not openly focusing on increasing diversity. At least that’s what business school research has shown for years. In most industries Monfort would have been bankrupt a while ago.

NATS FanMember since 2018
1 year ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

I’m a white recently retired business professor. Diversity is a competitive advantage.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

I don’t know, you can putter along for a very long time with substandard management. Often these firms have other competitive advantages or (as in the Rockies case) are protected from competition.

Jay BookmanMember since 2020
1 year ago

Great piece. Measured and devastating.

Jason BMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  Jay Bookman

“The librarian’s name is Bookman? That’s like having an ice cream man named Cone!”

RoyalsFan#14321Member since 2024
1 year ago

Right now *technically* the White Sox aren’t worse than last year but I will not be at all surprised to see them lose more than 121 games.

Glevin
1 year ago

It’s been almost a decade, but the Ian Desmond signing was one that really got me. They signed a defense-first SS to play 1B. His WRC+ in the previous 2 years before signing him were 103 and 86. They signed him to a 5/$70 deal for some reason. Even more egregious is that they had to forfeit the 11th overall pick to do so. The guys picked 11/12 in the draft were Jake Burger/Shane Baz. a 75 win team have up real money and the 11th overall pick to sign a SS who couldn’t really hit to play 1B. How the hell did this move happen? It’s a move no other team would contemplate making.

AnonMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  Glevin

Pretty sure they signed him to play LF, not 1B. He’d played CF the year before for Texas but they had Blackmon in CF so he was slotted for LF IIRC. Don’t remember exactly what it was but I think he had injury issues that year in 2017 and then the next year in 2018 is when he became their every day 1B.

I’d forgotten that Desmond opted out of both 2020 and 2021 when MLB allowed that due to COVID. The Rockies then declined the 2022 team option and poof, he was gone. In the end, he played his last game at age 33 and walked away from $33M during those COVID years. He’s definitely one of those guys where at some point a couple years later I realized I hadn’t seen his name in years. (Austin Meadows seems like he’s headed that way – he hasn’t played a game at any level since April 6, 2023)

Since 2017, the Rockies have paid Desmond and Bryant a combined $146M for -4.3 bWAR. That’s some savvy GMing there. . . .

Last edited 1 year ago by Anon
Uncle SpikeMember since 2020
1 year ago

I said it before the season started and I’ll double down on it now. This teams is just really, really bad no matter how you look at it. Like, apocalyptically bad. They’re players received the worst ZIPs and Steamer projections by a fairly wide margin yet they were projected to be better than the White Sox which never made sense to me. There is literally nothing this organization is good at outside of their fans and stadium which they really don’t deserve any credit for. And here’s the thing, it’s not going to change any time soon. Even if magic happened overnight and they all of a sudden had a competent front office, they’ve dug themselves a hole so deep it would take a competent organization 3+ years to dig themselves out. But this Rockies front office, I honestly don’t know if they’ll ever dig themselves out. I would be shocked if they made the playoffs in the next 5 years. I don’t know, maybe 8-10 years from now they could hope to compete. I think it’s more likely that the fans revolt and force ownership to sell the team than it is that they actually turn things around.

kidzeroMember since 2019
1 year ago
Reply to  Uncle Spike

The Rockies fans and the local media have been screaming at Dick Monfort to SELL SELL SELL. But Dickless has so many real estate interests around LoDo, as well as his nepo babies that have been nested in the Rockies organization, that he has no interest in selling. Sad news for the Rockies fans who have supported the organization since 1993. Unfortunately, Monfort doesn’t seem to see what the root cause of the baseball issues are….