ZiPS 2024-2027 Movers and Shakers

Isaiah J. Downing-USA TODAY Sports

Last week, I looked at players the projection systems agree on and homes for remaining top free agents using ZiPS. To complete this troika of pieces reviewing some of the ZiPS projections, I’ve asked ZiPS for the players whose medium-term outlook has changed the most from last year’s projections to this year’s. There are a lot of ways to do it, but I went with the simple method of looking at 2024-2027 projections at this time last year and the 2024-2027 projections right now.

Let’s jump right into the projections.

ZiPS Gainers – Hitters
Player Current 2024-2027 WAR Old 2024-2027 WAR Difference
Nolan Jones 12.4 2.4 9.9
Ronald Acuña Jr. 27.9 18.8 9.1
Evan Carter 11.1 3.3 7.8
Masyn Winn 11.8 4.1 7.7
Colt Keith 8.6 1.6 7.1
Chas McCormick 10.0 3.8 6.2
Jake Burger 7.6 1.4 6.2
Patrick Bailey 10.5 4.6 5.9
Jordan Lawlar 11.2 5.5 5.7
Jose Caballero 6.6 0.9 5.7
Henry Davis 7.3 1.7 5.6
Tyler Black 7.8 2.2 5.6
Jackson Chourio 9.0 3.7 5.4
Zack Gelof 9.1 3.9 5.2
Brooks Lee 6.9 1.7 5.1
William Contreras 11.9 6.8 5.1
Matt Wallner 7.7 2.6 5.1
Coby Mayo 11.5 6.6 4.9
Wilyer Abreu 6.6 1.8 4.8
Mookie Betts 17.1 12.4 4.7
James Outman 12.5 7.9 4.6
Devin Mann 6.4 1.8 4.5
Nico Hoerner 14.4 10.0 4.4
Davis Schneider 12.9 8.5 4.4
Estevan Florial 7.1 2.8 4.3
Jorge Barrosa 8.9 4.7 4.3
Gabriel Moreno 11.8 7.7 4.1
Jack Suwinski 10.2 6.1 4.1
Corey Seager 14.7 10.7 4.0
Matt McLain 14.6 10.7 3.9

I’m actually a little surprised that someone beat Ronald Acuña Jr. here. I liked Colorado’s pickup of Nolan Jones a lot – and nobody would claim I wear purple-and-black colored glasses – but he turned out even better than I or the projection system expected. Jones was a high-power, high-BABIP talent in the minors, both characteristics that served him well in Coors. Nobody’s confusing him with Kevin Kiermaier, but he turned out to be more competent defensively in the outfield than most expected, a not insignificant thing in a park with a very large outfield. Note that ZiPS doesn’t exclusively use Statcast’s OAA/RAA in its defensive estimations; it uses a mix that is mostly so, but still contains a bit of DRS and a dash of UZR. A .400 BABIP would be difficult to “keep” under any circumstances, so regression is expected, but Jones’ career is still on a lot more solid ground than a year ago.

The reason for the suspicions on Acuña are unsurprising and not a secret: He was recovering from a serious ACL injury and had a fairly run-of-the-mill return in 2022. I don’t necessarily think ZiPS was wrong to make this projection given the risk, though I’ll note that it “hated” him to the tune of having the seventh-best four-year WAR projection for a position player. Well, 2023 happened, and I doubt I have to explain the qualities of that campaign for him. He’s back on the previous track on dueling with Juan Soto and Julio Rodríguez for best X-year projections.

None of the projection systems think Evan Carter will hit for as much average as he did during his first taste of the big leagues, but they all think he’s an above-average starter in the majors right now. There was promise in his profile entering 2023, but a lot more uncertainty because for as young as he was, he was still a relatively low-power prospect with a lot of walk value – not always a huge plus for a prospect becuase of the risk of Jeremy Hermida Syndrome – and hadn’t yet played above High-A ball. The majors turned out not to be so far away.

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I said last year at this time that ZiPS needed another year to be sure about Masyn Winn, and that’s precisely what happened. Colt Keith, with a full healthy season after a shoulder injury, put himself into the top tier of prospects and earned an extension from the Tigers before he played a game. Chas McCormick is one of the oldest players on the list, and even if it took a long time until Dusty Baker noticed his improvement, the Astros were aware of it. Patrick Bailey turned out to be a truly dynamite defensive player in the majors.

The Henry Davis bump feels a little odd, but ZiPS was really down on him until his minor league performance in 2023, which featured a spicy 178 wRC+ at Double-A and Triple-A. Jake Burger did enough to upgrade him from a useful role player into a short-term league-average starter. Jordan Lawlar’s very short debut in the majors wasn’t impressive, but a 20-year-old shortstop with a 127 wRC+ in the high minors is someone on the verge of being in phenom territory, especially because he can actually play the position; he’s not a Danny Tartabull slugger shoehorned into a position he can’t play.

ZiPS Decliners – Hitters
Player Current 2024-2027 WAR Old 2024-2027 WAR Difference
Robert Hassell III -1.7 7.1 -8.8
MJ Melendez 0.3 8.6 -8.3
Aaron Zavala -6.1 1.9 -8.0
Jake Cronenworth 4.9 12.4 -7.5
Michael Perez -1.7 5.5 -7.3
Addison Barger 3.8 10.7 -6.9
Orlando Martinez -3.3 3.3 -6.6
Alexander Canario 3.7 10.2 -6.5
Diego Cartaya 0.4 6.6 -6.2
Brett Baty 7.6 13.8 -6.2
Juan Yepez 1.0 7.1 -6.1
Rodolfo Castro 0.2 6.2 -6.0
Joshua Mears 0.1 6.0 -5.9
Cal Conley -4.0 1.8 -5.8
Enrique Hernández 1.1 6.9 -5.8
Travis Swaggerty -0.4 5.2 -5.6
Alex Binelas 1.4 7.0 -5.5
Wendell Rijo -3.3 2.2 -5.5
Allan Cerda 1.5 7.0 -5.5
Josh Rojas 1.9 7.3 -5.3
Anthony Volpe 11.7 17.0 -5.3
Brett Auerbach -0.3 4.9 -5.1
Kevin Padlo 2.0 7.1 -5.0
Jose Miranda 5.8 10.8 -5.0
Jose Torres 0.7 5.6 -4.9
Adalberto Mondesi 2.2 7.1 -4.9
Miguel Vargas 8.0 12.7 -4.8
Carlos Correa 13.0 17.7 -4.7
Parker Bates -1.0 3.7 -4.7
Nick Pratto 1.7 6.4 -4.7

Robert Hassell III missed most of the Arizona Fall League in 2022 with a broken hamate bone, and things got even worse when the calendar flipped; he hit .221/.324/.321 across two levels in 2023. Just to contextualize how troubling a line that is, ZiPS gets a translation of .201/.275/.274 for the year. It doesn’t end him as a prospect, but it isn’t encouraging to see such a lack of production from one of the two outfield prospects the Nationals received in the Soto trade. On the bright side for Washington, the other outfielder it picked up for Soto, James Wood, was the No. 2 prospect in all of baseball in our updated 2023 rankings and had a four WAR improvement in this exercise.

This wasn’t a great season for Royals hitting prospects. The trio of MJ Melendez, Nick Pratto, and Vinnie Pasquantino were expected to provide some reinforcements to a punchless outlet, but two of the three (Melendez and Pratto) made this list. Even Pasquantino ranked 56th, but that’s more due to his missing more than three months with a shoulder injury that required season-ending surgery; he’s performed considerably better than the other two in the majors. Melendez now finds himself with a limited path to a long career. His bat regressed massively, a major issue now that the Royals are using him as a DH and in the outfield instead of as a catcher because they didn’t trust his glove behind the plate. He now needs to either convince the Royals he can handle catching (and actually be able to do so) or make a huge step forward with the bat, both easier said than done. Pratto was promoted in late April and had a big May, but he basically stopped hitting after that, eventually getting demoted the minors. He didn’t hit there, either.

ZiPS wasn’t a fan of Aaron Zavala, a second-round pick by the Rangers in 2021, but after this walk-heavy prospect hit the wall in Double-A (.194/.343/.285), it’s even less so. However, I wouldn’t completely write him off yet, because it’s hard for a projection system to deal with his injury setbacks; a spinal tumor and UCL surgery in consecutive years have presented major obstacles for him. He may be too patient as a hitter, but he also has had such little experience as a pro that he could still develop a more aggressive approach at the plate. Plate discipline is a means to an end, not an end to itself; if he doesn’t learn to punish pitchers when he get his pitch, he won’t make it as he moves up the minor league ladder.

Jake Cronenworth is a good bounceback candidate with the bat, but playing him at first always was going to take away a chunk of his value, especially as he turned out to be a rather unimpressive defensive player there. Addison Barger was a ZiPS favorite entering 2023, but an elbow injury cost him two months of the season and possibly contributed to his giant step backwards in the power department.

Brett Baty still has one of the best projections on this list, but a half-year of some really awful play in the majors ought to sap some of the exuberance about his output.

At the back of the list, Carlos Correa may have pleased the Twins in October, but it was one of his worst seasons as a pro. Because of his strong track record, ZiPS expects him to be much better moving forward than he was in 2023, but it can’t completely ignore such a down year. ZiPS also remains high on Anthony Volpe overall, but he didn’t show as much progress with the bat as ZiPS had hoped, and some of that superstar high-end has been whittled down a bit.

ZiPS Gainers – Pitchers
Player Current 2024-2027 WAR Old 2024-2027 WAR Difference
Kyle Bradish 10.3 4.7 5.6
Brock Stewart 2.4 -3.1 5.5
Eury Pérez 11.3 6.4 4.9
Gregory Santos 4.7 0.1 4.5
Zach Eflin 11.1 6.7 4.4
Michael King 5.7 1.3 4.4
Tanner Bibee 9.9 5.6 4.3
Bobby Miller 10.5 6.3 4.2
Cristopher Sánchez 7.4 3.7 3.7
Jack O’Loughlin 4.3 0.7 3.6
Blake Snell 10.2 6.7 3.5
Pablo López 11.5 8.2 3.4
Johan Oviedo 7.6 4.3 3.3
Braxton Garrett 8.5 5.4 3.2
Abner Uribe 3.1 0.0 3.1
Jesús Luzardo 9.8 6.9 3.0
Spencer Strider 14.5 11.6 2.9
Yennier Cano 2.5 -0.4 2.9
Mitch Keller 8.5 5.6 2.9
J.P. France 5.3 2.4 2.8
Ryan Weathers 5.3 2.5 2.8
Sonny Gray 8.5 5.8 2.7
Blayne Enlow 3.9 1.2 2.7
Erick Fedde 3.3 0.6 2.7
Jared Jones 6.9 4.2 2.7
Zack Littell 4.4 1.7 2.6
Seth Lugo 2.9 0.2 2.6
Allan Winans 6.1 3.5 2.6
Justin Steele 10.3 7.7 2.6
Sean Hunley 4.7 2.1 2.6

Some may believe that ZiPS isn’t as positive about Kyle Bradish’s 2023 as it should be, but he is the biggest positive mover among pitchers, going from a fringe fifth starter (in the opinion of ZiPS) to at least a legitimate number-two guy behind Corbin Burnes (!!!). I talked a bit about Brock Stewart in Projection Fight Club; he’s had a long injury history, but the anemic plate discipline numbers batters managed against him last season made ZiPS a believer, even with a relatively small sample size.

Eury Pérez amply demonstrated he was ready for the majors, and just in time to add some cover to a rotation that will be without Sandy Alcantara for 2024. Gregory Santos quickly figured out the whole command thing to go along with a fastball that can touch the century mark. I like to imagine I was correct about the Zach Eflin breakout, even if I was a few years early, but I don’t expect anyone to give me credit for that. He was fourth in the AL in WAR among pitchers, after all. Health seems to be the biggest boost here, because Eflin has been good for a while; he has now had four consecutive seasons with a FIP below four.

The Phillies no longer have Eflin, but they do have Cristopher Sánchez, who quickly worked his way into the rotation to give them a boost down the stretch. ZiPS thinks he’s for real. Same goes for Tanner Bibee, who showed he could finish off batters quite competently with both his slider and his changeup. Michael King consolidated his 2022 gains, and it’s completely unsurprising the Padres want to look at him as a starter if they can.

ZiPS Decliners – Pitchers
Player Current 2024-2027 WAR Old 2024-2027 WAR Difference
Alek Manoah 5.2 14.9 -9.7
Carlos Rodón 6.1 13.7 -7.6
Noah Syndergaard 0.9 8.3 -7.4
Shintaro Fujinami -0.6 5.1 -5.7
Luis Severino 2.2 7.8 -5.6
T.J. Sikkema 0.1 5.4 -5.3
Kyle Wright 4.5 9.4 -4.9
Eric Torres -1.5 2.7 -4.2
Brandon Woodruff 10.1 14.3 -4.2
Alex Wood 1.9 6.0 -4.0
Julio Urías 10.3 14.3 -4.0
Max Scherzer 4.2 8.1 -4.0
Justin Verlander 3.8 7.6 -3.9
Jacob deGrom 4.6 8.5 -3.9
Tony Santillan 0.4 4.2 -3.9
Tony Gonsolin 4.8 8.5 -3.7
Shohei Ohtani 11.9 15.5 -3.6
Germán Márquez 5.7 9.3 -3.6
Jordan Lyles -1.4 2.2 -3.6
Dylan Floro -1.4 2.1 -3.5
Lucas Sims 0.0 3.5 -3.5
Ross Stripling 1.3 4.9 -3.5
Juan Then 0.8 4.2 -3.4
Brad Keller 0.6 4.0 -3.4
Nestor Cortes 6.3 9.6 -3.4
Max Fried 12.0 15.4 -3.4
Sam Delaplane -1.6 1.7 -3.4
Luis Patiño 1.7 5.0 -3.3
Matt Frisbee 2.7 6.0 -3.3
Thaddeus Ward 0.0 3.3 -3.3

Alek Manoah’s 2023 represented such a turn of fate that William Hogarth could have painted it. After finishing third in the 2022 AL Cy Young race, he was demoted from the majors to the lowest level of the minors last June, returned after a month, and then was optioned again during the second week of August, this time to Triple-A, where he never pitched because of various ailments. No matter how much promise he has flashed in the past, ZiPS can’t ignore such a brutal decline. Carlos Rodón and Luis Severino were both injured and ineffective last year, two of the reasons the Yankees missed the playoffs. Noah Syndergaard demonstrated that it’s unlikely he can transition effectively from the power pitcher he once was into a finesse guy, and ZiPS jumped off the Shintaro Fujinami train, though I still have some hope for him as a full-time reliever. Kyle Wright and Brandon Woodruff both had significant injuries.

Note that the Ohtani decline here is as a pitcher only, and as mad as it makes me, it’s fair given he just had his second Tommy John surgery.

All told, the decliners for pitchers are much less interesting than the gainers or the hitter numbers, simply because elbows and shoulders change the expectations for pitchers more quickly. I think next year, I’ll filter out injured pitchers.

Coming up later this week: the first official ZiPS projected standings of 2024!





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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StrangeQuarkMember since 2024
2 years ago

I am really surprised to not see Cole Ragans on the Pitching Gainers list. Was his breakout too short for Zips to buy it or did he somehow have a good projection prior to this year?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  StrangeQuark

Funny thing about these lists is you can compare them to your own subjective sense of who surprised you. So, for example, I didn’t think Ragans was going to be any good, and seeing him do that for half a year made me think I was really, really wrong before. Him and Patrick Bailey.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I think the Rangers agreed with you or they wouldn’t have traded a guy who now hints that he may be a top of the rotation starter.

wheelhouseMember since 2022
2 years ago

Gee, it’s fascinating how many yankees are on the Losers lists. You’d almost start to think that that franchise is a shitshow run by people who should be looking for work.

ccovilleMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  wheelhouse

Can’t wait to see how they manage to ruin Soto

JoeMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  wheelhouse

I count 3 total, as opposed to the expected amount of 2, given that there’s 60 total “Losers”. Hardly indicative of an organizational failure, especially when 2 are injury related and one was a rookie who still put up 2 WAR.

Tel
2 years ago
Reply to  Joe

I get 4 – Volpe, Rodon, Severino, and Cortes. (Though Severino is no longer with the team, his decline is due to his time with the Yankees last year.) But your point about injuries still stands since all 3 of the pitchers were injured last year. It’s also interesting that the only two Yankees on the gainers list are now former Yankees (King and Florial)

Delgado4HOF
2 years ago
Reply to  wheelhouse

You got waaaay too many down votes on this

montrealMember since 2022
2 years ago
Reply to  wheelhouse

Are we talking about the Yankees who are in the top 4 of the World Series favourites by pretty well every Vegas odds site ?

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
2 years ago
Reply to  wheelhouse

I see the Yankee fans saw their shadow and will offer us 6 weeks of skyfalling takes

g4Member since 2020
2 years ago

Considering his Soto-like rise through the minors, ZIPS seems rather down on Chourio. A sub-3 WAR player — even after removing a rookie 2024 from the equation — and a fair sight worse than Coby Mayo (as well as Suwinski, Winn, McCormick and … Davis Schneider?). Does his youth work more against than for him in these projections?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  g4

Chourio was okay in AA. He was very young for his level but he wasn’t dominating there or anything. It’s enough to retain the hope that he will be a big-time star, but not enough that a median projection should predict it.

There are some cases of a player dominating AA at 19–Vlad Jr, Trout, and Acuna. Soto got promoted to the majors before he could completely take over AA. Chourio’s performance is more like Manny Machado’s in AA (he also turned out pretty well). Enough that he’s probably an above-average hitter, but probably not ever going to be one of the Top 5 hitters in MLB in a year (although Top 10 is potentially still in reach, sometimes). There’s a wide range of outcomes here.

g4Member since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

That’s fair and adds up. With the Brewers strongly suggesting Chourio will make the Opening Day roster, I kinda took for granted that he must’ve tore up AA, in batted ball metrics if not trad stats. Obv ZIPs sees all.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  g4

I think the real question is whether Chourio can learn more in the minors. He’s so physically talented he can get by against older competition with a subpar approach. I think the hope is that this year will be him learning and next year will be when he takes off.

mattMember since 2023
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

We’ve seen other guys with worse plate discipline and big time tools have great success. Look at robert/julio for instance

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  matt

To be fair, Robert’s rookie year he hit roughly league-average, and Julio’s plate discipline wasn’t that bad. I think the more realistic hope (and this is definitely a “hope” and not a prediction) is that he hits about league average in year one and turns into Julio Rodriguez in year two.

Sonny LMember since 2017
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Chourio had an adjustment period to AA. Season splits can be whatever you make them, but cut his first 100 at bats off his Biloxi line and reevaluate that performance

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Sonny L

Also, they were using a weird ball in AA for the first half of the yearz

Sonny LMember since 2017
2 years ago
Reply to  Sonny L

From opening day to the end of May (~150 ABs) he had a nearly 4-1 K v BB.

June 1st – EOY (~350 ABs) it was 30 bb against 58 K.

Reads like a 19y adjusting and making the leap.

If the comp is Acuña then no, Chourio doesn’t have those kinds of tools and his hit tool isn’t as advanced as Vladito’s but I think there’s enough in the AA performance to make you believe in a JRod lite*

*if you’re inclined to believe. I am

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Sonny L

A lot of players who spend the whole year at a level do better in the second half because the most successful players at that level get promoted, so then they get to welcome a fresh batch of prospects. That’s in addition to the general worry about splits.

Kiley seems to think that Chourio is the clear-cut #2 prospect in baseball, behind Jackson Holliday. I think he gives a decent range of outcomes here relating to his lack of polish and tendency to chase. Guys like Luis Robert never quite figured out the strike zone. Bobby Witt Jr took a year to figure out what to swing at. Julio Rodriguez figured it out after a month. I think if you made me pick, I’d say Bobby Witt Jr is the most likely path. I think he’s going to survive in the majors just fine due to his talent, but I think he might not show off what he’s really capable of until year two (or maybe year three). It’s okay not to be super polished when you’re 19 years old.

SenorGato
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Random but there’s not enough talk of Wyatt Langford as the #1 prospect in baseball. There is no more complete,
more dominant bat in the minors, let alone one with real two way talent

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  SenorGato

There are some questions about Langford’s defense but I think he has to be one of the front runners for RoY. If you told me there was a rookie who was going to light up MLB in 2024 and I had to guess who, I’d go with Langford.

He’s a different sort of prospect than Caminero, Wood, and Chourio because there are more defensive questions and fewer questions about the bat. But I would think they are all on the same level.

They’re all probably behind Holliday but Holliday is phenomenal.

montrealMember since 2022
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I’d be interested to hear your opinion on Jackson Holliday strictly for 2024. He will be a Superstar in the long run but I’m not seeing evidence that he will even be close for ROY. I’d bet on Langford as long as he plays the full season.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  montreal

Something is going on with Holliday’s power. If I had to guess I’d what, I’d say it’s that he hasn’t learned how to get to his power in games. He’s running a high BABIP without a lot of homers which means he’s probably hitting the ball hard but not over the fence. But he also seemed to have solved AA by age 19 so he’s in a situation where he can probably get away with it in the minors.

If he wasn’t the son of a major leaguer and a former #1 draft pick I’d say he’s a good candidate for a Chourio-like or Carroll-like deal. He can play in the majors today and he probably wouldn’t struggle or anything (ZiPS has him at almost a 3-win player, which seems right), but I’m not thinking he’s going to be elite right away. A pre-extension would eliminate any haggling over service time and just let him get his feet wet. But he probably has enough money in his bank account right now that he doesn’t need to make that deal and trade away an extra year or two of service time.

Last edited 2 years ago by sadtrombone
montrealMember since 2022
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Thanks. Basically I think we agree that Holliday looks like an All Star down the road but temper those 2024 expectations.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Do you see him following a path similar to Casas? He looked hopeless for the first 65 or so games, after a less than stellar cup of coffee in 2022, then turned into a monster almost overnight. In my long history of watching baseball I cannot recall such a complete turnaround. I say this because the name that jumped off the page to me was Chourio considering the hype that surrounded him. I will be quite surprised if he doesn’t far exceed 9.0 fWAR in the next 4 years.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

Julio Rodriguez was like that too. He was awful his first month up. Some of it was bad calls, but mostly he looked lost. And then it all clicked.

I think I’m going to stick with the Bobby Witt Jr trajectory as a prediction. He’s only 20 and by all accounts he still doesn’t entirely know what he’s doing at the plate. But players like Witt and Chourio have so many tools that even if they haven’t figured out how to use them they often can survive at first. Sometimes they never figure it out but by all accounts Chourio has good makeup, so unless he puts too much pressure on himself like Buxton did at first he probably will be okay at first, which will give him the time to make adjustments.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It is interesting that you bring up Buxton. I must say that I consider Buxton a bust even though he has been better than a many other Top 10 selections. It must be remembered that he was touted by many as something akin to Willie Mays. Last winter all the buzz was about Chourio and, while it has calmed down some, the comparison to Buxton is reasonable. All we can do is watch him play..

RobertMember since 2017
2 years ago

Does Bett’s increase come as a result of him playing pretty good second base and being likely to play there much more now, his even higher power numbers, or kind of all of the above?

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
2 years ago
Reply to  Robert

Yeah, was surprised to see someone as “old” as him on the gainer list. Now I wanna know what ZiPS sees as Betts’s career totals…

ccoeurMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Robert

I’d guess it’s a combination of his healthiest season in years and his best batted ball data since his MVP season.
His OPS+ projection went from 130 last year to 141 this year, for example, and his PA projection is up significantly too.

Last edited 2 years ago by ccoeur
Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
2 years ago
Reply to  ccoeur

His 3y projections are bonkers – 85 HR and >15 WAR! He could have a meaningful shot at 500 HR and 75 WAR

Left of Centerfield
2 years ago

Was shocked not to see Triston McKenzie on the list of decliners for pitchers. ZiPS is projecting him for 3.1 this year which seems wildly optimistic for someone who made a total of 4 starts last year and who looked lost when he came back from injury at the end of last year.

coolcoolcoolMember since 2026
2 years ago

I’m guessing this is a case where ZiPS wasn’t too high on him entering 2023, so there wasn’t as much room to fall. His breakout 2022 was strong, but also came with some warning signs (peripherals worse than his ERA, huge decline in strikeout rate, etc.)

Left of Centerfield
2 years ago
Reply to  coolcoolcool

Hmmm…taking a look.

ZiPS projected him for 2.8 WAR last year. But instead, he had elbow problems, pitched only 16 innings, and only produced 0.2 WAR.

And now ZiPS is projecting him for 3.1 WAR for 2024? Which is even more WAR than he was projected for the year before? Sorry but that makes no sense.

coolcoolcoolMember since 2026
2 years ago

Hmm yeah that’s very odd

PC1970Member since 2024
2 years ago

Surprised that Tarik Skubal isn’t on the gainers after successfully coming back from flexor tendon surgery.

Also, how close was Jackson Jobe? He may only pitch 3 of the next 4 years in MLB, but, his profile had to really jump from where he was entering 2023 with a back injury and a so-so 1st year.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  PC1970

I bet there’s not enough minor league data to give him a solid projection.

bada87bingMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  PC1970

Skubal is probably not on the gainers list because he was still injured last year and only threw 80 innings.

dangledangleMember since 2024
2 years ago

I think there is a decent chance Adalberto Mondesi might be done which is really too bad. I think teams will keep taking a chance with him if he is willing to sign a miner league deal. He is definitely a lottery ticket player based on health but the odds are long at this point.

I think the Nats Sotto trade is something that a lot of teams should look at. At the time the prospect capital that they gave up was huge, but it’s also illustrative that it’s smart to get as many bites at the apple as possible. Abrams was the highest ranked prospects at the time the trade and he looks like he’s likely to end up as just an average player. I also have a hard time thinking of many instances where a team is willing to give up so many highly ranked prospects for a single player. But you can construct a similar prospect return if you sell many players at once.

Overall to date the trade looks like it will work out well for the Nats in terms of value. But… The timelines of the players involved in that trade is problematic. If they were simply adding prospects and players to a good pipeline the. timeline issue would be less issue. It’s hard to see much of a window unless they are aggressive and emulate the Rangers. The service clocks on Gore and Abrams are ticking and Wood hasn’t debuted yet. I am very surprised how much Hassle has regressed. Susana is even further away but at least looks like he will be a good bullpen arm at least way down the line. I really wonder about him though because there is a range of outcomes.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  dangledangle

I think the trade looks pretty good from the Nationals perspective.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Wood looks phenomenal, and Gore is a functional major leaguer. And some people really like Abrams, although I don’t. I think it’s fair to say that this could have gone better, but there is still a decent chance that Wood makes it all worthwhile.

mattMember since 2023
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Wood looks very good but i also think he looked even better before the trade as his K rate hasn’t stuck at those levels. Still potential 70 game power with decent swing choices can make it work.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  matt

I’m not normally a fan of prospects who strike out this much but the power plays and he hasn’t failed yet. And he might be able to stick in center field. And he’s only 20 years old. Real bust potential here but I think people are moving off of him a bit too quickly. Him, Chourio, and Caminero are all at a similar level to me. Some questions but the upside is so enormous.

Paul-SF
2 years ago

Mookie Betts’ projection went up by over a win per year. Good thing the Red Sox traded him rather than overpaying for the decline phase of his career.

(No, I’m not over it, thanks for asking).

dangledangleMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  Paul-SF

Me either it’s the start of a new curse.

tdmocMember since 2023
2 years ago

(squints) Coby Mayo is going to be a three-win player OPSing ~.750?

markakis21
2 years ago
Reply to  tdmoc

Defensive stalwart Coby Mayo?????

If he’s a 3 WAR player that’s coming from like a .900 OPS

Left of Centerfield
2 years ago
Reply to  markakis21

It’s not. The player page gives ZiPS projections out to 2026, which is the first year Mayo is projected to cross 3 WAR. His projected OPS that year is .766.

bernardgilkeyhasaposseMember since 2019
2 years ago

The Royals organization seems to be a black hole from which nothing can escape. I have long espoused a “no Royals pitchers” in sim league rookie drafting (oy, Chris George), but seems like it needs modifying to “no Royals, period.”

Left of Centerfield
2 years ago

And now Bobby Witt will be unable to escape for over a decade. Though that’s by choice…

Jason BMember since 2017
2 years ago

I will happily stay put wherever I’m at (even KC!) if someone shovels $288MM my way…

ajake57Member since 2019
2 years ago

Editorial Note: The link for Jose Caballero goes to the wrong Jose Cabellero

David WiersMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  ajake57

Ghost of Johan Santa strikes again.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
2 years ago

Did Oviedo make the gainers list even accounting for the fact that he’ll miss all of 2024 with TJ?

Also, how much of Cronenworth’s loss would be erased if he went back to his old defensive home? Could it be worth it for a team whose roster isn’t Oops! All Shortstops! to take some portion of his contract off the Padres’ hands and put him back in the middle infield?

Left of Centerfield
2 years ago

ZiPS has Oviedo with 2.0 WAR for 2024. So yeah, that seems like an oversight.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
2 years ago

Bummer, because these lists were looking pretty nice for the Bucs. (Except that Tank Davis’s projection is still pretty light for a 1-1.)

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
2 years ago

A Rake’s Progress was loosely based on Noah Syndegaard’s career, iirc

OzdoltorpsMember since 2018
2 years ago

Where is the best place to find the 4 year WAR ZIPS projections for players?

v2miccaMember since 2016
2 years ago

I know no one really wants to address the elephant in the room, but Wander Franco should probably have been on the decliners list.

Jason BMember since 2017
2 years ago
Reply to  v2micca

I was just thinking, “Julio Urias? I’ll take the under!” and he did make the list. Which led me to thinking about Wander, and I’ll also take the under, and he did not.

TKDCMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  v2micca

I doubt Zips accounts for legal risk. Putting that aside, I doubt his projections changed much.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
2 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

Hopefully it’ll never reach the point where there are enough data points for ZiPS to be able to project legal risk with any accuracy.