2021 Trade Value: #31 to #40

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As is the annual tradition at FanGraphs, we’re using the week after the All-Star Game to take stock of the top 50 players in baseball by trade value in anticipation of next week’s trade deadline. For a more detailed introduction to this year’s exercise, as well as a look at those players who fell just short of the top 50, be sure to read the Introduction and Honorable Mentions piece, which can be found in the widget above.

For those who have been reading the Trade Value Series the last few seasons, the format should look familiar. For every player, you’ll see a table with the player’s projected five-year WAR from 2022-2026, courtesy of Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections. The table will also include the player’s guaranteed money, if any, the year through which their team has contractual control of them, last year’s rank (if applicable), and then projections, contract status, and age for each individual season through 2026, if the player is under contract or team control for those seasons. Last year’s rank includes a link to the relevant 2020 post. One note on the rankings: particularly at the bottom of the list, there’s not a lot of room between players. The ordinal rankings clearly matter, and we put players where they are for a reason, but there’s not much room between, say, 35 and 60. The magnitude of the differences in this part of the list is quite small. Several talent evaluators we talked to might prefer a player in the Honorable Mentions section to one on the back end of the list, or vice versa. We think the broad strokes are correct — but with so many players carrying roughly equivalent value, disagreements abounded. Thanks are due to Sean Dolinar for his help in creating the tables in these posts. At the bottom of the page, there is a grid showing all the players who have been ranked up to this point.

And now, to the next group of players.

Five-Year WAR +13.9
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2024
Previous Rank #36
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2022 27 +3.2 Arb1
2023 28 +2.9 Arb2
2024 29 +2.9 Arb3
Arb

Laureano’s control situation certainly plays into this valuation, for while he’s become a fixture in the Oakland outfield, he doesn’t enter his first year of arbitration until next year. He’s far from a perfect hitter, but his decent approach, plus (and still growing) power, and above-average speed all make up for some swing-and-miss tendencies that limit his hit tool. It all adds up to around an .800 OPS, which Laureano buoys with his center field defense; it’s average in terms of range but he has an arm that is an absolute game changer.

He’s a good-not-great player who is under team control for three more years at what should be a very team-friendly price, and as we’re seeing as this year’s trade deadline approaches, everyday center fielders of value are a rare commodity. Laureano is one of those players who can help win a game in such a wide variety of ways that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, and the industry bolsters him even more due to one of the more highly praised makeups in baseball, with sources noting his intense, max-effort style. “I think that if Jesus came back and told him he couldn’t play baseball, Laureano would try to fight him,” said one rival executive. – KG

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Five-Year WAR +15.3
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2026
Previous Rank
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2022 24 +3.2 Pre-Arb
2023 25 +3.3 Pre-Arb
2024 26 +3.0 Arb1
2025 27 +3.0 Arb2
2026 28 +2.9 Arb3
Pre-Arb
Arb

The one thing that surprised me most as we went through different versions of the list, collected multiple points of feedback, and engaged in cross-checking was how much the industry perspective on pitching value varies from person to person. Differences in opinion make the market (or so they say), but it wasn’t uncommon to hear that we had every young pitcher way too low or way too high. The immediacy of pitchers’ value is hard to overstate, but they’re also volatile in a way that caps how much many (myself included) would be willing to trade for them.

None of this is specific to Anderson, but he’s a good example of the category. He was absolutely electric in his debut last year and didn’t even exhaust a year of team control thanks to a late start. He’s been solid so far this season, and his underlying numbers look similar. He’s drawing bad swings — and whiffs — at a similar clip and getting a similar number of pop-ups. He’s allowed more loud contact and more homers, but that’s volatile from year to year. In all, he looks like a cornerstone starter, with the one blemish being a slightly elevated walk rate. ZiPS is calling for a pile of 3-WAR seasons, and the price is right. But again, pitching performance is volatile and we ended up docking him for it (as compared to doing a straight-forwardly projected surplus value accounting). Discussions like these happened around a ton of pitchers, not just Anderson, but he’s a great excuse to explain how we thought about the group. – BC

Five-Year WAR +11.0
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2025
Previous Rank
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2022 27 +2.5 Pre-Arb
2023 28 +2.4 Arb1
2024 29 +2.3 Arb2
2025 30 +2.0 Arb3
Pre-Arb
Arb

“I thought Murphy had an argument with Will Smith for being the best catcher in baseball after last year,” one big league executive told me in regards to the Oakland backstop. “Then he had the collapsed lung and that got him off track.” Known as a legitimate defender with plus power and one of the best catcher arms around (in terms of strength but not accuracy), there are aspects to Murphy’s 2021 season that give you a bit of pause, especially his approach. His walk rate has declined and while his power is well above-average, he gets to it less than ever in terms of hard hit balls. It’s hard to say how much of this is still recovery from his late-January medical scare, and most industry people who offered feedback on this year’s rankings were willing to give him a mulligan for his sub-standard first half.

All of that said, Murphy provides present value, plenty of control, and considerable remaining upside, rare in a catcher. “I wouldn’t be surprised if 2021 is one of the worst years of his career,” concluded the source. – KG

Five-Year WAR +19.3
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2023
Previous Rank #16
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2022 25 +4.1 Arb2
2023 26 +4.1 Arb3
Arb

It’s hard to be underrated when playing in Boston, but Devers is just that. Currently on pace for a six-win season, it’s easy to forget that he is just 24 years old and will be one of the most desirable free agents in the game come 2024, when teams will be buying into the expected prime of his late-20s. “He has some fastball issues, and I think that’s always going to be a thing,” said one senior evaluator. “But overall you’ve always trusted that he can hit.”

Devers is plenty good offensively, already a middle-of-the-order bat on a championship level team, and all the arrows are pointing in the right direction as he’s walking more and barreling more balls than ever, making it easy to see him threaten the rarified air of a 1.000 OPS down the road. The walks are mostly a reflection of pitchers trying to work around him, as Devers chases much more than your average bear, but expect even greater production as the bat becomes more dangerous in his late-20s. – KG

Five-Year WAR +17.2
Guaranteed Dollars $15.5 M
Team Control Through 2023
Previous Rank #25
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2022 29 +4.1 $15.5 M
2023 30 +3.7 $16.0 M
Team Option

Nola took a bit of a dive as we solicited feedback from teams. That’s not to say he’s bad — obviously, we think he’s one of the 40 most valuable players in baseball — but the lack of team control was a sticking point that came up over and over again. That left us grouping him with Devers, and I think the comparison between the two is illuminating. Devers will very likely cost less, and the two have roughly equal projections, which pegs them to a similar location.

Why Nola ahead of Devers? Partially, it’s down to preference, and Kevin and I were both high on Nola coming into the exercise. Partially, it’s a scarcity argument. I think that teams would be more likely to pony up a bit extra for a potential ace than a corner guy who can really hit, even if the WAR numbers shake out roughly equally. There are other pitchers with similar control ahead of Nola, but this is a rough proxy for where teams valued someone they saw as great but with a ceiling — with one true plus pitch, it’s hard to imagine him doing much better on the strikeout front than he is now, so he needs to limit walks (which he does) to really pop. That’s not to say we agree wholeheartedly there, but the argument was persuasive enough to drop him somewhat. – BC

Five-Year WAR +12.8
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2024
Previous Rank HM
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2022 26 +2.8 Arb1
2023 27 +2.7 Arb2
2024 28 +2.6 Arb3
Arb

Verdugo is currently in the midst of a brutal slump that has seen his power go missing in action, but sources were still impressed with his skill set as an everyday outfielder who doesn’t hit free agency until 2025. “He’s a super high-contact bat with enough oomph and approach that I feel like he should be doing better than he is,” said one team exec, while also admitting the holes in Verdugo’s game. “There are a lot of groundballs and he feels more like a pesky, bottom-of-the-order guy on a championship team.” A solid defender in the corner who can stand in center when pressed due to average speed, Verdugo also has an impressive arm that adds to his value in the field.

We’re not here to defend the Mookie Betts deal, but the Red Sox didn’t walk away completely empty-handed, and despite his recent struggles, Verdugo feels like he’ll be a safe two to four win player for the remainder of his time in Boston. – KG

Five-Year WAR +19.3
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2025
Previous Rank HM
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2022 25 +4.0 Pre-Arb
2023 26 +4.1 Arb1
2024 27 +4.0 Arb3
2025 28 +3.7 Arb3
Pre-Arb
Arb

Another player who provoked wildly varying opinions, Grisham is one I was very high on coming into the exercise, and while we slowly moved him down, I think this valuation represents a floor for him. It’s simply not easy to get someone who plays a plus center field and can hit, particularly someone who does that and hasn’t yet reached arbitration. From a pure ZiPS-projected surplus value standpoint, he’d be in the top 15 or so, and you can’t do that on low salaries alone; as you can see above, Dan’s model buys what Grisham is selling.

There’s not much argument that Grisham is an excellent center fielder. He gets good jumps and can flat-out fly; every defensive system loves him. If you want to dock him, then, it’s for his lack of pedigree coming up and his short track record as an impact bat. But it’s not that short anymore; he’s been hitting for power since 2019, and has an even longer history of solid on-base skills. He has legitimately elite plate discipline, so I’m not worried about the sustainability of his walk numbers even a little bit. None of his tools other than the speed jump off the page, but I can’t look at his batting line and see anything but a plus hitter, and the defense is obviously great. This is one we might look back on in a year and scratch our heads at; only the short track record kept him this low. – BC

Five-Year WAR +16.0
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2025
Previous Rank HM
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2022 27 +3.4 Pre-Arb
2023 28 +3.3 Arb1
2024 29 +3.3 Arb2
2025 30 +3.1 Arb3
Pre-Arb
Arb

Every time we sent this list out to a team, they came back and asked for Smith to move higher. I’m not a huge fan of putting catchers high on the list, if only for playing time reasons, but Smith does everything so well, and at such a compelling value, that some people had him even higher than this. He’s absurdly polished at the plate; he works counts, has good command of the zone, and makes loud contact when he swings. Forget the “for a catcher” qualifier; he’d be a great hitter anywhere on the diamond.

Behind the plate, he’s an average receiver; nothing to write home about, but certainly well above the bar given his offense. A catcher with an average glove and league average bat would already be quite valuable; Smith is obviously more than that. He’s also under team control through 2025. I still think that the rigors of daily catching will keep him from racking up enough playing time to merit a higher spot than this, but that’s debatable, and no one doubts Smith’s talent at this point. – BC

Five-Year WAR +10.2
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2026
Previous Rank
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2022 27 +2.3 Pre-Arb
2023 28 +2.2 Arb1
2024 29 +2.3 Arb2
2025 30 +1.9 Arb3
2026 31 +1.5 Arb4
Pre-Arb
Arb

Arozarena was the opposite story to Smith; no one moved down the list more as we solicited feedback. Several people noted that the holes in his swing and approach are getting increasingly exposed, a conclusion that’s hard to argue with based on his recent performance. Teams have been coming after him with sliders this year and he hasn’t performed well against them, though he’s still making reasonable swing decisions and hitting the ball hard when he connects.

“When he connects” is what will hold him back, and with an extra half-year of data, it looks like his newfound power is accompanied by more whiffs, which makes his pre-2020 contact skills seem less attainable. If that’s the case, Arozarena might be slightly high on the list here; an above-average corner bat is hardly a unique gemstone of a player. This spot in the rankings is partially about years of control — no one below him on the list has nearly his major league track record with five years of suppressed salaries still to come. It’s partially about the fact that he’s a career 117 wRC+ hitter in the majors without considering his ludicrous postseason, and is running a .330 OBP despite being “exposed.” But it’s also a ranking that I struggled with, and one that could look silly in either direction in two months. – BC

Five-Year WAR +21.6
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2023
Previous Rank #31
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2022 28 +5.3 Arb2
2023 29 +5.1 Arb3
Arb

From 2018-19, Olson made it pretty clear what he was a 50 bat with some walks and all sorts of power; as a first baseman, it all added up to a three-to-four win player. Then came a miserable 2020 campaign that raised all sorts of questions. Well, all of those questions and more were answered in the first half of this season, as Olson has had an explosive 2021 so far, with all of his underlying metrics suggesting that every bit of his breakout is for real. His strikeout rate is down nearly half from 2020 and one-third from his 2018-19 good seasons, while his peak power has grown and he’s using all fields more than ever. “He’s really closed some holes and turned himself into having an argument for being one of the most complete hitters in baseball this year,” said one insider.

Olson is an average defender at first base, so the overwhelming majority of his value comes from what he does with the lumber in his hands, but when that production falls among the top 10 in baseball, what the player can do beyond producing runs is just gravy. Building off a $5 million platform for his next two years of arbitration, Olson is one of the more valuable impact bats in the game. – KG

2021 Trade Value, 31-50
Rk Pv Player Age 2022 2023 2024 2025 2026
31 31 Matt Olson 27 +5.3
Arb2
+5.1
Arb3
32 Randy Arozarena 26 +2.3
Pre-Arb
+2.2
Arb1
+2.3
Arb2
+1.9
Arb3
+1.5
Arb4
33 HM Will Smith 26 +3.4
Pre-Arb
+3.3
Arb1
+3.3
Arb2
+3.1
Arb3
34 HM Trent Grisham 24 +4.0
Pre-Arb
+4.1
Arb1
+4.0
Arb3
+3.7
Arb3
35 HM Alex Verdugo 25 +2.8
Arb1
+2.7
Arb2
+2.6
Arb3
36 25 Aaron Nola 28 +4.1
$15.5 M
+3.7
$16.0 M
37 16 Rafael Devers 24 +4.1
Arb2
+4.1
Arb3
38 Sean Murphy 26 +2.5
Pre-Arb
+2.4
Arb1
+2.3
Arb2
+2.0
Arb3
39 Ian Anderson 23 +3.2
Pre-Arb
+3.3
Pre-Arb
+3.0
Arb1
+3.0
Arb2
+2.9
Arb3
40 36 Ramón Laureano 26 +3.2
Arb1
+2.9
Arb2
+2.9
Arb3
41 Trevor Rogers 23 +4.1
Pre-Arb
+4.2
Pre-Arb
+3.8
Arb1
+3.7
Arb2
+3.7
Arb3
42 HM Dylan Carlson 22 +2.6
Pre-Arb
+2.7
Pre-Arb
+2.8
Arb1
+2.6
Arb2
+2.6
Arb3
43 Freddy Peralta 25 +3.6
$2.5 M
+3.4
$3.7 M
+3.1
$5.7 M
+2.9
$8.0 M
+2.8
$8.0 M
44 Nick Madrigal 24 +2.4
Pre-Arb
+2.5
Pre-Arb
+2.3
Arb1
+2.1
Arb2
+2.0
Arb3
45 39 Max Kepler 28 +3.3
$6.8 M
+2.9
$8.5 M
+2.6
$10.0 M
46 49 Xander Bogaerts 28 +4.5
$20.0 M
+4.2
$20.0 M
+3.7
$20.0 M
+3.1
$20.0 M
+2.5
$20.0 M
47 Tim Anderson 28 +2.8
$9.5 M
+2.7
$12.5 M
+2.4
$14.0 M
48 Luis Garcia 24 +2.9
Pre-Arb
+2.9
Pre-Arb
+2.6
Arb1
+2.5
Arb2
+2.3
Arb3
49 Pablo López 25 +2.6
Arb1
+2.6
Arb2
+2.4
Arb3
50 40 Jeff McNeil 29 +3.1
Arb1
+2.8
Arb2
+2.3
Arb3
Pre-Arb
Arb
Team Option
Vesting Option





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whonichol
5 years ago

As a Red Sox fan, the idea that Verdugo would fetch more in a trade than Rafael Devers is a tough sell…

D-WizMember since 2019
5 years ago
Reply to  whonichol

That extra year makes a big difference. Plus, passable center field defense is much more valuable than 3B defense that is sometimes okay but usually seems… tenuous, and never feels great.

whonichol
5 years ago
Reply to  D-Wiz

I mean, sure. But my intuition is that teams generally pay much more for a 24 year old who has a 6 WAR season in the bag and is currently working on another than for a 25 year old who in ~300 games played is a .336 wOBA hitting corner OF, an extra year of control or no.

averagejoe15Member since 2024
5 years ago
Reply to  whonichol

Verdugo didn’t even fetch Betts alone and now has 2 fewer years of team control. Downs is also real prospect and the Sox included Price (and some cash) to duck the tax.

I don’t think a team is trading 2 years of Devers for that year of Mookie, while I do think a team would still trade Verdugo for that same year of Mookie.

This one just makes no sense to me. Is Verdugo really more valuable than Bryan Reynolds?

Travis LMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  averagejoe15

Verdugo’s value has risen significantly since the trade, as his MLB performance is maybe a 70% outcome.

Ashburn Alley
5 years ago
Reply to  averagejoe15

Yes.

crb1164
5 years ago
Reply to  averagejoe15

Reynolds is at 3+ WAR so far this season and is +2 OAA in CF as of today, with 4 years of control. He’s far more valuable than most of the OF’s on this list so far.

Dmjn53
5 years ago
Reply to  whonichol

I think it makes sense. Devers is obviously excellent, but he has a somewhat volatile OBP profile and is probably a 1st baseman sooner rather than later, and that’s before we factor in one less year of control

myartman
5 years ago
Reply to  whonichol

Curious about the psychological factor of being overweighed as the Betts counterweight the way prospects traded for stars sometimes are.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  myartman

I think this is notable. Alex Verdugo was traded for Mookie Betts, and even though Betts was in his last year of an expensive contract it sticks in people’s minds. Trent Grisham got traded for Luis Urias, who is basically a backup.

O'KieboomerMember since 2021
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

post-hype 24 year old who can play anywhere on the left side of the infield and has tapped into his power while maintaining a solid approach, oh and he plays everyday… “who is basically a backup” 🤡🤡🤡

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  O'Kieboomer

League-average hitter who can play any infield position badly is about as close as you can get to a backup without actually being one.

casey jMember since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Urias is ok-below average-not terribly bad at SS, average or above at 2B, and pretty agile and sure handed at 3B. I don’t think what you are saying is accurate if you watch him play. Even statistically, he doesn’t show up as bad at 2B and 3b, so far in his career. He doesn’t make errors there, and was quick enough to be a shortstop, so not sure I get this assessment.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  casey j

This year, Urias is the second worst infielder defensively by OAA, ahead of only the totally-out-of-position Eugenio Suraez. He’s at -15 on the year so far. Some of this is him playing shortstop, where he put up a pretty impressive -7 OAA in only 123 attempts. But he’s solidly below average at 3B (-5 in 115 attempts) and has been comically bad at 2B (-3 in only 44 attempts). If you want to go back earlier in his career, it’s worth noting that he was above average at 2B in 2019 and 2020 but pretty lousy at SS and 3B, although 3B was only in limited opportunities.

Another fun fact: The Brewers infield has been -17 OAA on the year. Luis Urias is almost entirely responsible for this. (Travis Shaw would have also been responsible for this had he not gotten hurt, but he wasn’t playing defense any worse at third than Urias was).

I think there’s a story here where Urias is just having a tough year defensively and if he was returned to 2B (or went to 3B) permanently he’d get better. But he’s definitely not a shortstop, and this “bulking up” that he’s done means he is now below the median sprint speed so it’s possible that he’s just going to be below average everywhere from now on.

mbs2001
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Home runs get the kids riled up.

mbs2001
5 years ago
Reply to  O'Kieboomer

Power potential and solid approach? Everything (data) screams average and nothing special. Also, !data! tells us his defense has been bad.

Stop the name calling. I know it is popular because it gets a lot of thumbs from fools but it’s a direct sign of having a low IQ and low self esteem.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  mbs2001

I think there’s a world where he’s a solid second baseman on a winning team, if his defense from 2019-2020 at 2B is his real defense and not what he is doing right now. Like 2.5 wins, maybe? But he’s not there yet. Right now he is on track to check in just under 2 wins per 600 PAs. So about as close to being a backup-caliber player without being one.

CC AFCMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  myartman

Also the psychological factor of appearing to be Fred Durst

bothdatkotas
5 years ago
Reply to  whonichol

I would fire the GM who would turn down a Cody Bellinger for Alex Verdugo trade

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
5 years ago
Reply to  whonichol

I mean, that’s fan perception vs. FO perception in a nutshell. We fans typical place far more value on performance than cost, and in performance _at the plate_ more so than in the field.

averagejoe15Member since 2024
5 years ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

I disagree, it’s not about performance vs. cost or hitting versus fielding. FanGraphs readers understand this stuff.

The big difference is teams value consistency/certainty over volatility while fans have more recency bias.

Devers has spent 2 seasons looking like a star and 2 seasons looking below average in his last 4. That’s going to give a team pause. However, Devers looks like a star right now and fans appear more willing to write off the down years.

That said, I still think Devers has a lot more trade value than Verdugo.

mbs2001
5 years ago
Reply to  averagejoe15

We got a problem here. Everyone is overvaluing 2020, a wacky year with too many outside variables to give it the same weight as a normal season.

Only 1 player between the two has proven they can be a star. Maybe Verdugo will blow away expectations but it’s safe to assume his ceiling is much lower than what Devers already achieved at 22, when he lead baseball in total bases.

mattMember since 2023
5 years ago
Reply to  whonichol

Agreed, Devers is far more likely to be a star

MikeD
5 years ago
Reply to  whonichol

Verdugo to me is…Nick Markakis. That comparison may upset some, perhaps both Red Sox fans and Orioles fans, as maybe Red Sox fans are hoping for something more, while Oriole fans remember peak Markakis, who was quite good. Thing is, Verdugo isn’t as good as Markakis was at a similar career stages. Peak Markakis had a 6.1 fWAR season at 24, and over 10 WAR for his age 23-24 seasons. Verdugo has a *career* fWAR of 4.9 at age 25. Beyond those peak seasons, though, Markakis settled in as a 2-2.5 WAR player, nice average, good OBP, medium-range power. That sort of feels like Verdugo now, who perhaps has his peak years coming, or he is what he is. Solid, but unspectacular. A good player to have, but I’d rather pay for Devers’ upside.

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
5 years ago

I found this line from Arozarena’s blurb to be a bit eyebrow-raising: ” This spot in the rankings is partially about years of control — no one below him on the list has nearly his major league track record with five years of suppressed salaries still to come.”

Just a bit further up on the list is Ian Anderson though, with the same five years (2 pre-arb years still, too!), and who is not only doing better this season but also has a better projection going forward. It may not be an apples-to-apples comparison dealing with the more volatile SP position vs a hitter, but that did seem odd to me.

Now, there’s also no one on this list either that has worse Statcast metrics than him either right now. I get Arozarena tore up the postseason last year, but it does feel like that is still leading many to overrate him. Even the projections say he’ll barely be a two-win player for the next five years. That seems a little underwhelming, doesn’t it, for the 32nd-best trading asset in the game? I get that team control is important, but I would still rather pay more for the better player (let’s say Grisham, or maybe even Reynolds?) for a shorter time span (in the case of Grisham, it’s one less year).

Dooduh
5 years ago

Yeah I was going to add something about RA. How about hasn’t really established a true value yet..?

Antonio BananasMember since 2026
5 years ago

100%.

Is 5 years of ~2 WAR really that valuable? Scarcity should drive some value.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago

Every so often we decide that teams have more information than the fans and they are smarter and have better analyses and we should just defer to them. And then we have teams moving Trent Grisham so far down, and Alex Verdugo so far up, that they’re the same place on this list. And that’s the point where we have to think that maybe some of these teams just aren’t as good as we thought.

This is easy to forget, too, but Verdugo has about the same amount of team control as Laureano and one less year than Grisham. Of the three, Verdugo is the one that probably doesn’t belong, but he had the highest prospect pedigree and I’m pretty sure that some people out there are too slow to update their priors. Ben’s instincts are right here. Grisham’s profile is a perennial 4+ win center fielder and you’ve got him forever? This is not that hard.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I hate to keep bringing up Bryan Reynolds, but Bryan Reynolds has one more year of team control than Alex Verdugo. Bryan Reynolds probably isn’t this good and Alex Verdugo probably isn’t this average but if teams are valuing Alex Verdugo that much more than Bryan Reynolds…I don’t know what to say.

Pirates HurdlesMember since 2024
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I would argue he is more valuable than Laureano as well given he has 1 more year of control and is working on his 2nd full season hitting at a level higher than Ramon.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago

Probably, but I’m mostly just baffled by Verdugo. I think there’s an argument for Laureano because he’s a legitimate center fielder and those are in short supply these days, but Reynolds is definitely a better hitter.

No matter how I slice it, it seems like Reynolds belongs a spot above Laureano and Verdugo belongs a spot above Max Kepler (whose own spot on the list is a bit tenuous).

averagejoe15Member since 2024
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Fully with you. Verdugo seems to be wildly overrated on this list. There’s just no world in which Verdugo fetches more in a deal than Devers right now not to mentioned some of the guys further down.

Travis LMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  averagejoe15

> There’s just no world in which Verdugo fetches more in a deal than Devers right now not to mentioned some of the guys further down

Have you been speaking to teams about this? Because Fangraphs has. Or did you mean, “I can’t understand how/why teams would possibly value Verdugo over Devers”?

AlbyMember since 2025
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

But you’re sure to say it anyway.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Alby

Okay yeah that’s fair

O'KieboomerMember since 2021
5 years ago
Reply to  Alby

got’em

AlbyMember since 2025
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The teams always have more information than you.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  Alby

but is it good information?

dukewinslowMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Alby

Less error, maaaaaaybe more bias

Dmjn53
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I would have thought Grisham would be much, much higher here. A player that can play a legitimate CF while also having a plus bat is a unicorn in the game right now

JupiterBrandoMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

Grisham might be the second best position player on the Padres.

averagejoe15Member since 2024
5 years ago
Reply to  JupiterBrando

I think he’s clearly 3rd at best. Machado is better than anyone gives him credit for.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  averagejoe15

In related news, I can’t wait to see the reaction when the #4 position player (Jake Cronenworth) winds up on tomorrow’s list.

JupiterBrandoMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  averagejoe15

Oh, Machado is great, and I’m super high on Cronenworth too. I just love Grisham that much.

Lanidrac
5 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

Harrison Bader technically qualifies as such so far this season with his 106 wRC+.

jamiewonders
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It seems reasonable to me when you look at Grisham’s statcast numbers, which point to him being a bit closer to an average hitter than a spectacular one. He also has a DRC+ of 108 compared to his wRC+ of 128, which makes some sense considering his peripherals.

So a definite top-50 trade value guy, but maybe not a top-25 one.

Travis LMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

> And that’s the point where we have to think that maybe some of these teams just aren’t as good as we thought

Except the point of this exercise is not to find where the teams are wrong; it’s to find out how they would behave. Market inefficiencies are a next step, but not all that relevant right now. unfortunately, unless someone in the audience has been talking with team personnel about these rankings, we’re just not going to have enough information.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Travis L

It’s interesting that you pitch it this way, because that’s not I understood the series in the past. But maybe that’s what it is now? I see benefits to both.

DLHughey
5 years ago

“He’s a good-not-great player who is under team control for three more years at what should be a very team-friendly price, and as we’re seeing as this year’s trade deadline approaches, everyday center fielders of value are a rare commodity”

For a second, I thought you were describing Bryan Reynolds.

AlbyMember since 2025
5 years ago
Reply to  DLHughey

Except Reynolds is not a true CF.

dl80Member since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  DLHughey

Reynolds has not shown himself to be a good center fielder though, at least this year

DoctorPayne
5 years ago

“I think that if Jesus came back and told him he couldn’t play baseball, Laureano would try to fight him.”

… what?

dozingoffdadMember since 2021
5 years ago
Reply to  DoctorPayne

Yeah that ‘rival executive’ has come up with quite a hypothetical to try to get his point across. If that was the *only* reason Jesus came back, maybe fighting him over it isn’t reasonable.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  DoctorPayne

I thought about bringing this up but I couldn’t think of how to comment on it without pissing everyone off.

But I have so many questions about Jesus’s motivations in this scenario.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

His motivation is jealousy that Laureano CAN hit a curveball

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

Jesus wants more OBP in the lineup, thinks CF defense is overrated.

dl80Member since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  DoctorPayne

Of all the mythical characters to potentially have to fight, Jesus would be the least scary

Nasty Nate
5 years ago
Reply to  dl80

I don’t know. It could hurt being thrashed by 20-lb trout and long loaves of bread – especially if the bread was stale.

Nasty Nate
5 years ago
Reply to  dl80

I think I could handle Old Mother Hubbard

BarryZitoBarChords
5 years ago
Reply to  dl80

First, regardless of if you believe what Jesus claimed about himself, the fact of his existence as a real historical person is beyond dispute and no legitimate historian for that time period will disagree.

Second, read Revelation 19:11-16. This is symbolic and not literal, but like similar to if I tell my wife “you are as precious to me as a diamond” the clear meaning of the symbolic language isn’t that they are equal or that there is any possibility that I would trade her for the right diamond, but rather that she is the most valuable person in the world to me like a diamond is widely considered the most precious of gems. The point of that passage in Revelation is to make it clear that when Christ returns again it will be with such power and certain victory that such wild symbolism will not seem like hyperbole.

dozingoffdadMember since 2021
5 years ago

Oof. Looks like we found the potential commenter that sadtrombone was worried about.

Nasty Nate
5 years ago
Reply to  dozingoffdad

I saw “valuable” and “diamond” and was anticipating a punchline that connected to baseball trade value.

dozingoffdadMember since 2021
5 years ago
Reply to  Nasty Nate

That second paragraph goes nowhere. Has that ‘I just learned a new thing and wanted to share it’ vibe. Seems to suggest Revelation can be variously interpreted to be symbolic or literal depending what you’re trying to talk your wife into.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  dozingoffdad

I don’t really want to trample on anyone’s beliefs, I just want to make fun of the scout.

BarryZitoBarChords
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I’m not offended by anyone who doesn’t believe the Bible / Christianity and expect most people don’t so no worries. I’m actually more offended by my poor writing and when I realized I had to leave in three minutes I probably should have not rushed to comment.

My main point was in reply to dl80 (who I now see commented below); namely that if your only picture of Jesus is the white guy with long hair and a glowing complexion then I’d put my money on Laser Ramon , BUT if he had to fight the Jesus from Revelation 19 then its no contest the other way. Like being able to do the infinity gauntlet trick, but with his mind.

And I am in total agreement that it is a very odd choice of words by the team executive!

dl80Member since 2026
5 years ago

I don’t doubt that a person named Jesus existed and was crucified. But almost nothing else about him can be verified. At that point, he’s as real as King Arthur or Ragnar Lothbrok.

Also,in case anyone is worried, I don’t take this conversation very seriously and mostly just like to stir things up with people who take this kind of thing too seriously.

Lanidrac
5 years ago
Reply to  dl80

Any verification beyond his existence is irrelevant, as his existence alone disqualifies him from being a “mythical character.”

Also, the legends around him aren’t discredited as definite hyperbole either, unlike someone like Davy Crockett.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  dl80

He killed a kid in the apocrypha! Just bam, zapped him. Scout’s a Catholic, I guess.

AnonMember since 2025
5 years ago
Reply to  dl80

IIRC, Aslan is at the head of the table of mythical characters

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Anon

That’s funny because Aslan is just thin reworking of Jesus, except Aslan moonlights as an apex predator and mauls bad guys.

Lanidrac
5 years ago
Reply to  dl80

How is he mythical? Even if you don’t believe in his divinity, historians agree that he was a real person.

MarkZMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  DoctorPayne

Jesús Luzardo. He got sent down to AAA. Hasn’t been doing well. Probably just jealous of Laureano.

Dooduh
5 years ago

Hmmm, Murphy seems like a random name dropped in here.

Dmjn53
5 years ago
Reply to  Dooduh

In what sense? He’s a catcher on pace for a 4 win season in a “down” year. Catchers are tough to project long term, but he looks excellent

OrangeJoos
5 years ago
Reply to  Dooduh

He is the best or in the top 3 depending on when you look for framing catchers, he is an amazing plate blocking catcher as well, the amount of runners he has put out at home that should have been safe is insane. His approach this year has been a bit disappointing but he definitely can improve.

D-WizMember since 2019
5 years ago

Okay people we can stop talking about Bryan Reynolds now. They said he was #51 and if he was #50 nobody would be giving him a second thought lol. Certainly debatable that he belonged in the 40-50 range but to suggest he’s more valuable in a trade than any of the guys 30-40 strains credulity.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  D-Wiz

I can’t. This is important. Someone is wrong on the internet.

Dan B
5 years ago
Reply to  D-Wiz

I would prefer Bryan Reynolds to Verdugo.
If his name was Rick Reynolds he’d be much higher.

Mahoney
5 years ago

“Matt Olson is an average defender at first base.”

Huh?

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
5 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

DRS of zero this year, and the first year with a negative UZR as well, which is probably what they were looking at. OAA still likes him, but still, probably not as much as it once did.

BarryZitoBarChords
5 years ago

I think this is a case of defensive metrics being volatile and still far from perfect. I might be wrong and would love to hear more from someone who knows each of those stats looks at, but I find it hard to believe that they properly account for the multiple outs a game he saves when Chappy skips a 95 mph throw short of 1B or Andrus sails a thow that only Olson can snag and stay on the bag. Not to mention I have never seen a first baseman start so many slick double plays nor nab so many unforced lead runners at third. Other than failing to cleanly field a couple extra very sharp grounders I have only seen more of the same exemplary defense from him this year. My number one guess is that, just like many knowledgeable observers have wondered if Semien benefited from being next to Chapman, is it not likely that Olson is having to try and compensate for the overall lack of range from Oaklands second basemen? (And though Elvis is pretty good with the glove I think he has less range than Semien did at short so I wouldn’t doubt that there is even a little bit of a drag on Chapman from losing Marcus even if Semien was clearly received the biggest benefit from their association).

carterMember since 2020
5 years ago

I think he is a good defender at 1st base, certainly. I also think that sometimes metrics overrate players who play in ballparks with such big foul territory, because duh, you can get to more balls with huge foul grounds. It can be both!

D-WizMember since 2019
5 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

I was surprised too, but the stats back it up… Slipped a little last year by most metrics and none of them have really loved him this year either!

averagejoe15Member since 2024
5 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

I’m not sure I trust 1b defensive metrics at all. Matt Olson can field throws other players can’t simply because of his size.

He also may see a higher difficulty of throws his way because his fielders trust him more and are less likely to holster a risky throw.

Just not sure everything is well accounted for in current metrics.

DDD
5 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

tz, yeah, that caught my attention as well. I have no problem with where they ranked him. But, the statement that he “is an average defender at first base” really surprised me. He had back-to-back GGs in 2018 and 2019 and was runner-up in 2020 with a down year. I realize GGs should be taken with a grain of salt, but he passes the eye-test as well. While his range may be average, his glove and his arm certainly are not. He has tremendous reach with clean catches on very difficult plays and makes impressive off-balance throws to any base on the diamond. Just curious since assists account for the majority of touches by a first-baseman – do any defensive metrics measure (account for) the difficulty of those touches (assists)?

averagejoe15Member since 2024
5 years ago
Reply to  DDD

I think scoops are included in one (some?) of the metrics. But I really don’t think throw difficulty is well accounted for overall based on my understanding of metrics.

I don’t love Hosmer as a player but I have similar feelings about his defense as I do Olson’s. Tall, athletic guys who move well around the bag but maybe lack range/lateral quickness.

Maybe I’m just letting my eyes deceive me though since I have no data to back it up. I have a feeling teams might have something here though that the public lacks. I.e. Measuring probability based on where the throw comes from, velo, and release angle.

OrangeJoos
5 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

Olson is having his worst defensive year but his career is above average to good. He is also the best picking first baseman. He has turned rubbish throws into outs.

hahigginsMember since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

Came here to say that too.

rhdx
5 years ago

‘Surplus’ value is clearly correlated with trade value, but they just are not the same thing unless all teams have hard caps. And even in that case, for some teams trying to win titles, paying a superstar what we might agree is fair value can be a lot better than squeezing some surplus out of a 2 win player. I wish we would just call it a surplus value column, but I guess fewer people would be interested?

DLHughey
5 years ago
Reply to  rhdx

We should really just call it celebrating wage suppression, because that’s what this is. No clue why saber types are so obsessed over this, as if the entertainers providing us value shouldn’t be paid appropriately to the revenue they generate. “Team control” and “cost controlled” are just code for no free choice in employer and no free market salary. I typically prefer to enjoy baseball players for how good they are at baseball, not their $/WAR.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
5 years ago
Reply to  DLHughey

I too, enjoy watching baseball players for how good they are.

This is a trade value series, of course, and front offices putting teams together care a great deal about $/WAR.

DLHughey
5 years ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

Of course it’s a trade value series. The saber crowd being complicit the anti-labor perspective is a real black mark on this community. Ever since WAR-centric analysis came around, sabermetric thought has been less focused on which players are good, how to watch the game with a more informed perspective, and how to optimize player performance and more about how the the Rays can ruthlessly save another $7. Look at the airforce21one person below, actively rooting that the players that deliver the game they love be paid as little as possible. Any of these “trade value” and “surplus value” type posts perpetuate the anti-labor discourse that has made half of the teams in baseball not even try to be competitive or put their best team on the field.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  DLHughey

I dunno about you man but I just wanna win. If it’s with a bunch of belarussian preteens paid 15 bucks an hour, fine. If it means I need only one guy who I pay 90 million a year, great. If I get more value out of spreading that money around, that’s good to know too. Everyone’s resource constrained, even if that means the number of players on the field. Maximizing within the constraints is part of the fun.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
5 years ago
Reply to  DLHughey

Those don’t HAVE to go hand in hand. I’d expect that most, if not all, of the commentariat here would be more than happy if the owners gave a far higher share of revenues back to the players, at all levels.

Since salaries are always an estimate of future production, there will always be guys who over/underperform relative to what they are getting paid. There will always be younger and/or unproven players who outperform whatever “fair” salary was commensurate with their ability to that point, and there will always be front offices striving to find to most player for the least dollars. And regardless of what economic model constrains team expenditures there will be FOs better or worse at managing it.

Dan B
5 years ago
Reply to  DLHughey

I agree with your point, but you are the guy at the front of the Apple line wanting to talk about fair pay for Chinese labourers.

Lanidrac
5 years ago
Reply to  DLHughey

The cheaper years of team control are certainly unfair, but they’re also a necessary evil for maintaining competitive balance. Several teams would almost never be able to put together a good team if they couldn’t even rely on cheap homegrown stars.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  DLHughey

I’d prefer that my team, which is a small-market team by any measure, hold down salaries as MUCH as possible. Saving money on young players is basically the last redoubt of competition for small market teams. Take it away, and the teams with the largest revenue streams win more often.

DLHughey
5 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

“BuT tHiNk Of ThE pOoR bIlLiOnAiReS iN mA sMaLl MaRkEt”

If you can’t afford to compete, don’t own a team. It’s not hard. Would you have told Curt Flood to think of the small market teams before causing a fuss about the reserve clause?

DDD
5 years ago
Reply to  DLHughey

DLHughey, so you’re saying the small-market teams should be owned by people that are willing to operate several hundred million dollars in the red/year in order to compete with the large market teams with huge revenue streams that can spend hundreds of millions more while still operating in the black (with a large margin)? I think that would greatly limit the supply of potential owners… and markets.

DLHughey
5 years ago
Reply to  DDD

With the existence of revenue sharing, that doesn’t happen. Cheap teams like the Marlins and Rays are routinely receiving 50-70m per year just for existing. The league as a whole generated 10b in revenue in 2019, and after about 5b in salaries, there’s a lot left over per team (165m share for each of the 30 teams), and revenue sharing solves the imbalance there. If they can’t run their business on that much money after the most expensive salaries are covered, that’s their problem. And that’s before factoring in ownership equity gains and RSN money, which is often underrepresented in contracts because some teams own their RSNs separately.

If teams were losing money, some of the richest people in the world wouldn’t own them. Yet very few seem like they want to sell their teams.

DDD
5 years ago
Reply to  DLHughey

Previously, you said “If you can’t afford to compete, don’t own a team.”

In this post you said “If teams were losing money, some of the richest people in the world wouldn’t own them. Yet very few seem like they want to sell their teams.”

These seem like contradictory statements. I have no idea what owners’ books look like. But, I’m guessing “losing money” is not a habit for most owners. Thy operate the way they do to avoid the red in their books and, hence, don’t want or need to sell.

I’m not trying to be an advocate for big business, CEOs, baseball owners, etc.. I’m sure there is plenty wrong with how they operate. But, I think MLB players get paid pretty well.

In 1970, the median household income was $4,500/year and the average MLB player made $29,300/year. That’s approximately 6.5 times more income than the average household. Currently, the average MLB player makes over $4M/year. That’s almost 100 times more than the average household and I find it hard to sympathize with players or players’ advocates that want to complain about their pay.

MiLB players’ pay/benefits is an entirely different situation and that needs to be addressed.

Anthony Princeton
5 years ago
Reply to  DLHughey

But you are worried about millionaires? Do you have any idea where the MLB minimum salary would place them in corporate America salary wise? Well beyond your typical VP. Maybe with division heads or sector managers when bonuses are factored in. The minimum MLB salary is about what a typical Chicago area dentist with their own practice would be expected to bring in, maybe even a little more.

The obsession with what other people/strangers earn is bizarre to me. Particularly players with no connection to the city they play in and will be gone one way or another in a few years. The team they play for will be their most likely long after you or I are gone.

I will also say, my family has been involved with unions here in Chicago for the better part of the last century. I was going to union meetings that I didn’t belong to when I was in high school. They don’t serve much of a purpose anymore, are wildly corrupt and harmful as is the case with the Chicago Teachers Union.

soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  DLHughey

>I typically prefer to enjoy baseball players for how good they are at baseball, not their $/WAR.

Nice strawman.

I’m going to go out a limb and suggest that people are interested in this series because trade value and $/WAR play a huge role in how teams are constructed, and people here are, y’know, interested in how teams are constructed.

casey jMember since 2026
5 years ago

How is that a strawman? Lol

You are interested in the current format, and how teams are constructed.

He objects to the current format, finds it distasteful, and prefers a more pure discussion of how good the players are.

One can dream of a completely different type of system of constructing teams, or like it just the way it is.
Both of those are fine, but neither side is a strawman.

casey jMember since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  DLHughey

Also, don’t some players get paid MORE for what the did in the past, in free agency? Not saying it all comes out in the wash, but the existence of any “guaranteed money” proves that it isn’t all one-sided. As usual, it’s a struggle.

Joe Joe
5 years ago
Reply to  rhdx

Given equal budgets, teams with more surplus value typically win more games whether or not it comes from having value concentrated into a few stars or having value spread out among a bunch of players. Given equal surplus value, teams that spend the most will typically win.

kid
5 years ago

Does it bother anybody else that Statcast gives Trent Grisham a .380 xSLG over 283 PA this season?

Or am I again being overly reliant on SC, to my own detriment?

averagejoe15Member since 2024
5 years ago
Reply to  kid

It depends. He probably is outperforming what we’d have expected to have happened. But at the same time xSLG is not predictive so it’s not an indication of what to expect going forward.

Also since xSLG is based on exit velos and launch angle, changes in the offensive environment including the ball, park factors, etc. have an impact on the data and it takes time for the data to adjust.

synco
5 years ago

Arozarena and Verdugo seem like the aggressive ones, Verdugo more so. I’ll go back to a comparison made on #41-50 – if the Red Sox called the Brewers and offered Verdugo for Peralta straight up, would the Brewers say yes? I doubt it.

steveo
5 years ago
Reply to  synco

An average corner OF who’s about to get expensive is one of the least valuable commodities in baseball imo. I have no clue why he’d be that high. At least with Arozarena he’s got 5 more years left.

casey jMember since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  steveo

are we sure Verdugo couldn’t play an average CF for the Milwaukee Brewers? I feel like that would be lurking in the background for a team acquiring him.

steveo
5 years ago
Reply to  casey j

Seeing as how the Red Sox have basically gotten nothing out of CF and refuse to play Verdugo there, I’m assuming he’s not a fit there and would be below average.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  casey j

He’s got solid fundamentals but he’s just too slow. He does okay in Fenway’s right field (which is almost as big as CF in some parks) but he’s stretched way too thin in the actual CF.

tdouglas
5 years ago

Arozarena seems awfully high on the list. His Statcast data doesn’t just look bad, it looks horrendous. If your xwOBA starts with a 2, you’d better be an elite defender at a premium position, and that isn’t Randy. He’s fine in LF, but you can’t be a starting left fielder and be in the bottom 5% in xBA and bottom 11% in xSLG.

That playoff run was historic, so I understand it’s hard to be totally objective. There’s obviously upside, but I wouldn’t trade for the current Arozarena at a top-40 price, no way.

O'KieboomerMember since 2021
5 years ago
Reply to  tdouglas

His career to date is a collection of small samples from 2019-2021, but it’s really not that surprising that his literally unprecedented postseason performance would color his perception industry-wide. But commenters on this post sure seem certain that THIS half season is his true talent level.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  O'Kieboomer

If this was his true talent level he’d be way, way off the list entirely. He’s been a bottom-third starter in left field so far this year, which is just crazy to think about. And that’s with him outperforming his xwOBA by 30 points.

The idea that he should be on the Top 50 at all is based on the idea that he’ll learn to hit sliders (which is something that I think both I and tdouglas would agree that he has a decent shot of doing, so I’d keep him on the list somewhere).

dukewinslowMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

wasn’t he an uber prospect derailed by genuinely stupid baseball unwritten rule nonsense? That usually colors peoples’ perceptions (selection bias? maybe?) such that they overweight the occasional flashes of brilliance as true talent level. But then again, there’s a long decent list of top prospects who never quite lived up to their billing but were fine 2 WARish guys with a couple huge 5 WAR years, and even at 2 WAR they have a ton of value.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

I don’t think Arozarena was considered a top prospect until he shredded teams last year.

The thing is that is worth noting is that an Arozarena that can hit sliders and cutters (at least occasionally) is an Alfonso Soriano-type hitter and way, way higher than this. And an Arozarena that can’t is more like Garrett Jones and not even close to this list.

tdouglas
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Right, but you can say that about most players. The majors is littered with uber-talented players who would be stars if they could just hit the slider. Just looking at the Cards, O’Neill and Bader would be superstars if they could master that pitch. I just think there’s a nearly 400 AB sample of a guy whose underlying numbers don’t look good. I think a big season next year would put him in the top 50, but this season doesn’t make as much sense to me.

tdouglas
5 years ago
Reply to  O'Kieboomer

We’re near 400 AB now. The other sample you are referring to, 2020, was what, 140 AB or something, season + playoffs? We can only go with the largest sample of data, and that’s 2021. I’d certainly take Randy on my team to see if he can improve, but not at a top-40 value.

Willians Astu-stu-studilloMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  tdouglas

I’d also be extra wary of trading for Arozarena given the DV incident.

Domingo AyalaMember since 2024
5 years ago

“We’re not here to defend the Mookie Betts deal…” Why not?

steveo
5 years ago
Reply to  Domingo Ayala

The Mookie Betts deal looks atrocious. Verdugo is an average player, but unusable against lefties. Jeter Downs is struggling mightily in AAA. Meanwhile Betts is on pace for a 5+ win season. Think the Red Sox could use that production in a tight AL East?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  steveo

The Mookie Betts deal was actually good for the Red Sox in terms of the value they got back. One year contract, big money, getting Downs and Verdugo is a very good deal for them.

The Mookie Betts deal is bad only off-the field. They signed a whole bunch of extremely fragile pitchers to enormous contracts and then cried poor when it was time to sign the best homegrown player since Wade Boggs. Fans have every right to be mad that for whatever reason, they didn’t have enough foresight to keep him in a Red Sox uniform.

But the deal itself was fine in a vacuum. Remember, he’d have been a free agent by now.

steveo
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Well, yeah. If you’re talking about absolute value it was a good deal. Jeter Downs isn’t hitting and striking out at an alarming rate and Verdugo is nothing special. But had they kept Betts, they would’ve gotten the chance to re-sign him. They didn’t get a chance to sign him as a free agent. They let a top 5 player go and cried poor. It’s a bad look. Also, how about paying one of the best players in your franchise’s history? Crazy concept.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  Domingo Ayala

Because on this site any team cutting salary is automatically bad. Of course, that also leads to the inverse of “knowledgeable” baseball people celebrating things such as the Lindor contract; any dissent to this party line is downvoted to oblivion (go back and read the comments on the Lindor articles, for example).

No one wants to talk about the downside of large contracts – Arenado, Miggy, Votto, Pujols, etc, but look at the list of the highest paid players in baseball right now:

1. Lindor, $45 million – hovering around mendoza line
2. Bauer, $39 million – suspended
3. Trout, $38.5 million – injured most of the year
4. Cole, $36.5 million – doing okay
5. Verlander, $34 million – out for the year
6. Strasburg, $34 million – 4.57 era in 21 innings
7. Kershaw, $33 million – first player on the list with an argument that he’s worth it
8. Price, $32 million – relief pitcher
9. Springer, $32 million – hurt most of year, struggling upon comeback
10. Harper, $31 million – Doing well, but most would argue he is somewhat of a disappointment

Of the top 10 highest paid players in the game, two players are doing “well”, and the rest are either hurt or vastly overpaid.

steveo
5 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Gerrit Cole is 5th in WAR among pitchers with a 3.6 WAR, a 10-4 record, and a 2.63 ERA. That’s a little better than okay. He’s been quite a bit better than Kershaw. Bryce Harper is on pace for a 4 win season. Bauer was living up to his contract as well, so was Trout. Injuries happen, but half the players on this list were providing the production their teams wanted from them.

Ukranian to Vietnamese to French is back
5 years ago
Reply to  steveo

Because on this page every pay cut group automatically breaks down. Of course, this also leads to the opposite for a “famous” baseball player who celebrates things like Lindor’s contract from any disagreement with a party that falls into oblivion (eg: go back and read the comments on Lindor’s article).

Nobody wants to talk about the opposite side of big business – Arenado, Miggi, Votto, the maid, etc. – but check out the list of the highest paid baseball players right now:

1. Lindor, $ 45 million floats the Mendoza line
2. Bauer, $ 39 million hanging
3. Salmon, $ 38.5 million most damaged in years
Aug. 4, $ 36.5 million – all is well
5. Verlander, $ 34 million a year
6. Strasbourg, 34 million – 4.57 places in the 21st century
7. Kershav, $ 33 million, is at the top of the list with the argument that it is worth it
8. Prize for 3 reliefs worth 32 million vases.
9. Springer injured $ 32 million for most of the year, fighting after his return
10. Harper, $ 31 million – everything will be fine, but most agree that he is a little disappointed

The 10 highest paid times in the game, they both played “well”, the others were injured or overpaid many times.

dl80Member since 2026
5 years ago

“Bauer $39 million hanging” is such a good description of his, and the Dodgers’ situation

dukewinslowMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Media are not a monolith, particularly baseball media. I think you don’t appreciate the size of the overlap between sets of people jeering one contract and cheering another, and the disjoint between people who liked the Betts trade but also liked the Lindor one. People were REALLY talking about the downsides of the Pujols contract when it happened. same with Bauer. I think people undersold how much Betts simply wasn’t going to resign in Boston, personally, which colored a lot of the coverage- it didn’t make sense to trade Betts unless he really was going to walk.

steveo
5 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

He wanted to test free agency, which is his right. The Red Sox could have just, I don’t know, paid him what he was worth as a free agent? Crazy concept.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  steveo

Well, if they knew he was going to sign with them, that’s optimal. If he is going to walk no matter what, it’s better to trade him. If the risk is somewhere in between, the argument gets complicated.
Reporting (by court stenographers at the globe) said he turned down market value-ish extensions. That is a pretty good private signal that he’s going to walk. If you think that’s the case, better to trade him than risk getting nothing.

steveo
5 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

Had the Sox paid him his worth as a FA, he’d still be in Boston. Just pay the most money. The Globe made him out to be the villain, when in actuality the Sox just offered him a courtesy contract so they could point to that when they traded him. Ironically, he signed with the Dodgers at a bit of a discount with the uncertainty around covid.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  steveo

you can’t evaluate on the outcome, especially when the outcome is a once in a generation value suppressing event (or whatever you want to call a global pandemic). All the information we got, from multiple sources, was that Betts was going to the market and the Sox were going to be lucky to keep him. You can’t argue that the EV of letting him get to free agency is higher than the EV they got. Or you can, but lay it out.

steveo
5 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

My point is that the Red Sox should have just paid him whatever it took. Insane concept, I know, but they’d be way better off not letting the second best player of this generation go. The Sox would be lucky to keep him because they were trying to slash payroll, not because they couldn’t keep him. They chose not to.

I don’t know why fans try to hold water for teams so much. Letting Betts go and not paying him his worth was an objectively bad decision. The media and fans made Betts out to be the bad guy because he wouldn’t take a below market extension. They had a payroll above 240M a few years ago, they could afford it, they simply chose not to.

dl80Member since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

Insert Homer Simpson meme here: “Once in a generation, so far”

O'KieboomerMember since 2021
5 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Lindor also hurt and out for a while

qualiaMember since 2025
5 years ago

I was surprised at the description of Olson as an average defender given that he’s won multiple Gold Gloves and his advanced metrics have always been super impressive through last year. Sure enough, his defensive numbers look a lot worse this year but is there an explanation of how a guy who I assumed was the best defensive 1B in baseball is now being described as “average” with no further elaboration?

MikeD
5 years ago
Reply to  qualia

He’s not an average defender. Defensive metrics have yet to figure out 1B. Olson is an elite defender at his position.

BillClinton
5 years ago

Bryan Reynolds continues to be more valuable than players on this list including Verdugo unless you love prospect hype (which this list suggests the writers do). He’s had much better production and has more control than Verdugo. Smells like a bit of big market clickseeking, too.

markmark
5 years ago
Reply to  BillClinton

I love Reynolds and was advocating for him to be in the 40-50 range but it really feels like at this point we’re just splitting hairs over really similar players. Would I put Reynolds above most of the outfielders listed so far, yes. Is the gap that big? Not really.

BillClinton
5 years ago
Reply to  markmark

If Reynolds played for the Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs, Rays or Astros he’d be on this list and probably about #30. I’d say the gap between somewhere in the 50s to 30 is pretty big!

steveo
5 years ago
Reply to  BillClinton

Ah yes, that *checks notes* Tampa Bay Rays media bias!!!

BillClinton
5 years ago
Reply to  steveo

Fangraphs lurvs the Rays

dukewinslowMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  steveo

as a proportion of the fanbase, the media represent what, 90% of the Rays fans? I mean, granted, it’s 9 people in media and Homeless Ted (not that one the other one) from Ybor, but still!

DLHughey
5 years ago
Reply to  markmark

We can say “Reynolds is probably a 40-50 rank guy” while also saying “how is Verdugo even near him” at the same time.

PC1970Member since 2024
5 years ago

My 1st thought when I saw Arozarena & Verdugo was “Why isn’t Akil Baddoo on this list?” More team control, only 22 years old & has almost seemingly gotten better as the year has gone on. The fact he’s doing what he’s doing with the jump from High A ball.

Maybe it’s the injury history?

dl80Member since 2026
5 years ago
Reply to  PC1970

.377 BABIP and so-so prospect status

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  PC1970

Baddoo looks like a good platoon outfielder in right field. But if he puts up a 126 wRC+ next year while playing every day or close to it he definitely deserves to be on this list. It’s just hard to make the argument that he will.

kid
5 years ago

I look forward to the TV series, like we all do, but through the first 20 names… Man, this list feels really weird.

BillClinton
5 years ago
Reply to  kid

Agreed, seems like a weird over-reliance on insiders from a few teams, imo. Almost feels like wishcasting on some of these.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
5 years ago

So, I don’t understand why there’s a bias against catchers on this list (see the Will Smith blurb). Catchers who hit well at any age are rare, so the marginal value of a team controlled, good hitting back stop is higher than other positions. Catchers have a shorter life span as productive hitters than other players before they decline, and the decline tends to be steeper, further increasing the marginal value of those younger years over other positions.

Those forces together you think would increase the value of young well hitting backstops. It seems analogous to adding a decent hitting short stop- the marginal improvement is huge at the position. What might be interesting is if the aging curve for catcher production has much more uncertainty than other positions- and I totally think that’s possible and getting baked into team evaluations here.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

Amen–this makes absolutely zero sense to me. Teams seem to have decided that because they are fragile, catchers have less trade value / contract value. But since there are only something like 15-20 catchers that can both hit and play the position well they have tremendous value. It’s enough that even left-handed guys with massive platoon splits like Tucker Barnhart are worth paying for.

The closest analogies to catchers are starting pitchers. Starting pitchers break all the time, but because they break just enough to make it hard to find them, they’re arguably more valuable than less. If you sign Bryce Harper you’re replacing someone like Robbie Grossman. If you sign JT Realmuto you are usually replacing someone like Andrew Knapp.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

a side note that makes this even weirder was I think KG was at the Astros when they traded Foltynewicz (!) for Gattis (!!!!) so there might be something weird/out of line here. But that was a strange trade for a lot of reasons, not least because I don’t think Gattis played any catcher for Houston (fangraphs is not helpful here)

TerenceMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

Evan Gattis played 445.1 innings at catcher for the Astros in 2016. 413.2 innings in 2017. 2 innings in 2018. I timed it. It took me 19 seconds to find that.

Fangraphs is very helpful for questions like this. Perfect I would say.

Don’t complain about the product you pay for, just because you don’t know how to use it.

otis
5 years ago

“Olson is an average defender at first base”

If by average you mean top 3 at the position since his debut, sure.

steveo
5 years ago

Ok, here’s where I make my Aaron Judge claim. He’s a 5 win OF with 1.5 years of control. Yes, he does get hurt but most have been fluky injuries (HBP, broken rib). And I’d take 1.5 years of elite production over 3.5 years of so-so production. Would the Yankees trade Aaron Judge for Max Kepler? Not a chance in hell. Not even because of name recognition or anything, he’s just that much better. I think there are enough questionable names here that I’d be comfortable sliding him in (and Bryan Reynolds) into the 40-50 range.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
5 years ago
Reply to  steveo

Alternatively, across all of MLB (outside of NYY and MIN), which player would more teams pay more to acquire?

A right-now contender might want Judge more, but everyone else? Probably Kepler. And there are a lot more everyone elses out there

DDD
5 years ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

But, according to the Introduction they are basing it on “the highest value that someone would offer in return for a player, not how many teams would offer that value.”

steveo
5 years ago
Reply to  DDD

This. Who fetches more in a trade: 2.5 years of Kepler, an averagish corner OF, or Aaron Judge? I’m going to say Judge.

TKDCMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  steveo

Kepler shouldn’t be in or really close to the top-50, so this doesn’t really mean much.

Angelsjunky
5 years ago

I was a bit surprised at how highly Fangraphs ranked Arozarena on their prospects list. Usually they seem somewhat immune to the “post-postseason performance hype,” Aka David Freese Syndrome, but I guess not. I suppose the fact he killed it for a 76 PA in the regular season didn’t help matters. Still should be a pretty good player, but not the insta-star that the majority seemed to think he was.

WerthlessMember since 2020
5 years ago

Alex Verdugo for Julio Rodriguez…

According to Steamer, they are not that far away from each other with the bat (103 vs 111 wRC+). I have a hard time imagining a situation where a team (not just the Mariners) trades Rodriguez for Verdugo.

Even if you look at projected WAR, Verdugo is in the tier of position players containing guys like David Fletcher, Miguel Rojas, Kolten Wong, Yandy Diaz, Luis Arraez. Fine players, sure, but Verdugo doesn’t have the team control to justify his spot on the list.

Alex Verdugo is more like JP Crawford (3 years of team control at 6.7 projected WAR) than Trent Grisham (4 years of team control at 15.8 projected WAR).

Pirates HurdlesMember since 2024
5 years ago
Reply to  Werthless

I would say that these lists are way too low on high end prospects given how teams refuse to trade them and the 6-7 years of potential value. Seattle isnt trading JRod for any of these guys straight up (maybe Xander if they were at a different point on the win curve).

synco
5 years ago
Reply to  Werthless

I think there are a few issues so far:

1) We’re way too high on cheap(ish) competence. You need those guys, but they aren’t nearly as valuable as stars, even if you only have them for a few years.

2) Overvaluing the short 2020 season. Some of these were just 60-game hot or cold streaks, but they’re being treated as full season results.

3) Undervaluing the younger top prospects. Yes, some/many of these guys are going to bust. But at the time of this list few of the guys we’ve talked about so far wouldn’t be gone with a vapor trail if JRod or Luciano were offered. Maybe guys like this are coming higher up, but I doubt it.

Brock244
5 years ago

Regarding the Verdugo placement, I think it is fair.

We have to remember that trade value and surplus value are not necessarily the same thing. Verdugo may not be producing as much as say, Reynolds right now, however Its also entirely possible for execs to prefer Verdugo skill-set going forward.

In 2019 and 2020 Verdugo was on pace for 4-5 win seasons, so it’s not like he has never performed like a star. And he WAS the centerpiece to a Mookie Betts trade. I think that means something.

More importantly, it’s easy to see a guy like Verdugo popping a 4-5 win season w/ the return of the old baseballs. He’s got elite contact skills, discipline, and some size. All the ingredients for one of those random 30-35hr seasons that got popped out of nowhere.

Im not as high on his defense, but this was a guy who WAS putting up elite numbers in 19 and 20 and can at least fake it in CF

I can see why some don’t get it, but I get it. Easy to dream on the profile and he AT LEAST is a 2-3 win guy with no improvememnt/ball changes

Pirates HurdlesMember since 2024
5 years ago
Reply to  Brock244

3 years TC, career high of 126 wRC+, and maybe can fake CF versus two years of higher wRC+ (130, 145), 4 years of control, and is currently playing CF everyday (albeit slightly below average). It isnt really even close. At this point its a dead horse, but I’d argue most of the list is out of whack. Average-ish regulars at corner OF aren’t going to get a ton in trade back.

Brock244
5 years ago

Verdugo performed like a star in both 2019 and 2020, so saying hes “league average” is a bit pessimistic

His numbers today are not great, my guess is he is banged up, affecting both his defense and power.

The idea is that the framework of this player is excellent. Excellent contact rate. Healthy amount of walks. Solid defense. Solid base running. That all adds up to a nice 2-3 win player. However, you can dream on the power eventually developing (or the ball changing) which would push him into star category. In sort of a Kete Marte way.

Willians Astu-stu-studilloMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Brock244

I wouldn’t consider a .298 xwOBA in 2020 to be star-quality. Maybe the power magically materializes, but it’s equally likely he suddenly falls apart.

mattMember since 2023
5 years ago

So is Cronenworth in top 30? He wasn’t mentioned in HM and I can’t imagine he’s off it all together

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  matt

I would have put Grisham above him but, yeah, it would be weird if he wasn’t on it. He’s just the #3 second baseman by WAR and he’s got exactly one year of service time. He is overperforming a little bit by xwOBA but he’d still be on it even if he was performing to it.

crb1164
5 years ago

Die-hard Pirate Fan warning. I just can’t see Reynolds not being in the top half of this list. Clear progress in contact rate, plate discipline, and power production from his near rookie-of-the-year season seems to identify his abysmal 2020 season as an aberration. He doesn’t particularly cover a lot of ground in CF, but his arm is also a potent weapon and he isn’t totally out of position there.

Antonio BananasMember since 2026
5 years ago

Really not sure I understand RA or Verdugo. Are 2 WAR OFs really that valuable? Even on the cheap? Is an arb eligible 2.6 WAR OF that valuable? There were 13 1.5-2.5 WAR OF in 2019. There has to also be variance where these guys don’t stay 2+ WAR.

If I’m doing this, and I’m not smart enough to, you have to weigh things like future uncertainty and scarcity right? What am I missing?

Also, Bryan Reynolds.

digiderek
5 years ago

I’m surprised that Matt Olson is rated as only average defensively.

redsoxu571
5 years ago

The Betts trade doesn’t need to be “defended”. There is a ton of evidence pointing to the outcome that Betts would have been elsewhere than Boston this year anyways, even if the team had not made the deal. There is this strange assumption that baseball players are not human beings with their own desires and whims, and as a big-market team Boston automatically could have simply chosen to keep him at big bucks. Sorry, but while we can’t know how things would have gone that is unlikely to have been the outcome. If the trade needs defending, would Fangraphs be pumping up the team’s compensatory pick that would be all that was left of Betts right now?