2020 Trade Value: #11 to #20
While a shortened season might make this year’s version of our Trade Value Series an unusual one, with the deadline looming, we are not about to break with tradition. For a more detailed introduction to this year’s exercise, as well as a look at those players who fell just short of the top 50, be sure to read the Introduction and Honorable Mentions piece, which can be found in the widget above.
For those who have been reading the Trade Value Series the last few seasons, the format should look familiar. For every player, you’ll see a table with the player’s projected five-year WAR from 2021-2025, courtesy of Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections. The table will also include the player’s guaranteed money, if any, the year through which the team has contractual control of the player, last year’s rank, and then projections, contract status, and age for each individual season through 2025, if the player is under contract or team control for those seasons. Last year’s rank includes a link to the relevant 2019 post. Thanks are due to Sean Dolinar for creating the tables in these posts. At the bottom of the page, there will be an updated grid showing all the players who have been ranked up to this point.
With that out of the way, let’s continue with the rankings.
| Five-Year WAR | +20.4 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | – |
| Team Control Through | 2024 |
| Previous Rank | #32 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2021 | 26 | +4.2 | Pre-Arb |
| 2022 | 27 | +4.2 | Arb1 |
| 2023 | 28 | +4.2 | Arb2 |
| 2024 | 29 | +4.1 | Arb3 |
Hit 53 homers as a rookie and you are going to move up the trade value rankings. There is some risk of an early decline with Pete Alonso’s old-man skillset. His strikeouts are already high, he’s not good in the field or on the bases, and if his power dips, his value will drop precipitously. That’s the bad. The good is that Alonso’s five-win rookie season wasn’t marked by a ton of batted ball luck. He earned those 53 homers, and his 143 wRC+ matched up with his Statcast figures.
The projections like Alonso as well. The table above shows Alonso’s five-year ZiPS for easy comparison with the rest of the players on this list, but his four-year ZiPS projection of 16.6 WAR ranks 19th among the players on this list. It’s hard to move Alonso much higher than this given the potential for decline, but the team control, the minimum salary through next season, and the power he’s already shown makes it difficult to slide him down past this slot. He will have higher arbitration salaries than most given his home run totals, but $40 million or so in salary for the next four years still provides excellent value.
| Five-Year WAR | +21.8 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | – |
| Team Control Through | 2023 |
| Previous Rank | #HM |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2021 | 25 | +4.7 | Arb1 |
| 2022 | 26 | +4.6 | Arb2 |
| 2023 | 27 | +4.2 | Arb3 |
The Cardinals’ ace was an Honorable Mention last year after a solid rookie season in 2018 and a decent first half of last year. Then he put together a brilliant second half worth four wins with a 2.22 FIP and 0.79 ERA. Still just 24 years old, Jack Flaherty has age and performance on his side, and ZiPS loves him. Of the pitchers considered for this list, Flaherty’s 21.8 five-year ZiPS WAR projection was the highest total; for comparison, that’s the same figure as Brewers’ star Christian Yelich’s. Among all pitchers, only Gerrit Cole is projected for a higher ZiPS over the next five seasons. Flaherty also leads this list among pitchers with 13.5 wins over the next three years before he reaches free agency. Per our rest-of-season Depth Chart projections, the only pitchers ahead of Flaherty are Cole (who inked a $300 million-plus contract), Shane Bieber (who hasn’t yet appeared on this list), Max Scherzer (whose $210 million contract ends after next season), and Jacob deGrom (who is in the middle of a $137.5 million contract that includes an opt-out after 2022).
If you are looking for ace-level production over the next three seasons at a reasonable salary, Flaherty is bettered in value by only one pitcher (Bieber), and even then, ZiPS favors Flaherty. He’s a cut ahead of the pitchers with three-plus years of team control bunched behind him, which puts him in the top-20 here.
| Five-Year WAR | +17.5 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | – |
| Team Control Through | 2024 |
| Previous Rank | #11 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2021 | 26 | +3.9 | Arb1 |
| 2022 | 27 | +3.8 | Arb2 |
| 2023 | 28 | +3.3 | Arb3 |
| 2024 | 29 | +3.3 | Arb4 |
Walker Buehler was tough to place. Since being put 11th on this list a year ago, Buehler had a very good 3.21 second-half FIP and 2.99 ERA. He was phenomenal in two postseason starts, and while he’s struggled early this season, it’s hard to put too much emphasis on just four starts. Kiley McDaniel noted some of the concerns around Buehler last year (“pitcher, TJ, slight frame, throws hard”), and I heard some of those same concerns this year when I shared a version of this list that initially had him ranked slightly higher than his current position.
Since the second half of the 2018 season, Buehler’s numbers line up with those of Luis Castillo, Lucas Giolito, Aaron Nola, and Flaherty. Buehler’s projections are slightly behind Giolito’s, even with Nola’s, and ahead of Castillo’s. Flaherty’s projections separate him from the rest of the group, but Buehler has an extra year of team control over all those pitchers. Even though all four years will be in arbitration, there’s still a significant salary discount in getting an extra year for around $5 million compared to the other pitchers ranked in this range. It’s just enough to push Buehler to the top of this pitching tier.
| Five-Year WAR | +20.9 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | $11.0 M |
| Team Control Through | 2023 |
| Previous Rank | #33 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2021 | 28 | +5.0 | $9.0 M |
| 2022 | 29 | +4.7 | $11.0 M |
| 2023 | 30 | +4.3 | $13.0 M |
In both 2017 and 2018, José Ramírez put up a 146 wRC+. For the first two months of the 2019 season, his wRC+ was a dreadful 57. The rest of the way, it was a normal 137 wRC+, and he’s started off this season in the same fashion. It certainly seems like approach was the issue rather than decline, as Ramírez briefly tried to go the other way instead of tapping into his pull power. He’s 27 years old and only guaranteed $11 million after this year, with two potential options increasing the total owed over three seasons to $33 million. Over that span, only 11 players considered for this list had better ZiPS projections than Ramírez’s 14 wins. Having just three years of control keeps him from placing any higher on this list, but being able to provide very good production at such a low cost is a great value.
| Five-Year WAR | +21.6 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | – |
| Team Control Through | 2023 |
| Previous Rank | #14 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2021 | 24 | +4.2 | Arb1 |
| 2022 | 25 | +4.4 | Arb2 |
| 2023 | 26 | +4.4 | Arb3 |
There’s very little to separate Devers and Ramírez on this list. Their projections are nearly identical, and they both play third base. They are both under team control for three more years, likely at similar salaries. Ramírez is probably the better defender and has the longer history of production, but Devers had the better 2019 season and is four years younger at 23 years old. Devers’ breakout came last year as he reduced his strikeout rate and hit for more power. He’s a good baserunner when he’s not trying to steal bases, while his defense is more of an open question. Last year, everything came together enough for him to put up a six-win season that ranked 12th among all position players, and behind only Cody Bellinger among players 24 years old and under. He’s started off slowly this season, but his steps forward last season combined with his age mean he’s only dropped a little bit from last year despite losing a year of control. His salaries will rise over the next three years, but those will be his age-24 through age-26 seasons, which means his 2019 season might not be his career year.
| Five-Year WAR | +21.8 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | $202.5 M |
| Team Control Through | 2029 |
| Previous Rank | #7 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2021 | 29 | +5.1 | $14.0 M |
| 2022 | 30 | +4.9 | $26.0 M |
| 2023 | 31 | +4.5 | $26.0 M |
| 2024 | 32 | +3.9 | $26.0 M |
| 2025 | 33 | +3.3 | $26.0 M |
Christian Yelich is owed about $200 million over the next eight seasons. Before inking that deal, he was still on the contract he signed with the Marlins back in 2015, which wouldn’t have made him a free agent until after the 2022 season. As a result, the Brewers were able to sign Yelich at something of a discount. There haven’t been any exact analogues in free agency to Yelich, but consider that Anthony Rendon just received a $245 million contract over seven years heading into his age-30 season, while Mookie Betts received $365 million in guarantees heading into his age-28 campaign. Yelich will be just 29 years old next season and has been a slightly better player than Rendon the last few seasons while being slightly worse than Betts. Yelich’s contract also contains some deferrals, which make his salaries a little bit more palatable. After starting the season 1-for-27, Yelich’s August wRC+ was 181 going into yesterday’s action, making the early slump look more like a six-game blip than anything more ominous. He’s a star on a contract essentially all teams can afford, and that keeps his value on the high end despite the big extension.
| Five-Year WAR | +16.0 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | $48.5 M |
| Team Control Through | 2027 |
| Previous Rank | – |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2021 | 23 | +3.1 | $3.5 M |
| 2022 | 24 | +3.3 | $6.0 M |
| 2023 | 25 | +3.3 | $9.5 M |
| 2024 | 26 | +3.2 | $12.5 M |
| 2025 | 27 | +3.1 | $15.0 M |
Robert was a bit divisive with the team sources I spoke with. There are the obvious swing-and-miss issues, which have been present in his debut this season. There’s also the $50 million guarantee, considerable when compared with other unproven prospects. Robert’s placement in these rankings is due to both a high floor and ceiling, as well as a contract that can potentially extract even more value if Robert reaches his ceiling. Robert’s defense, baserunning, and power (even if he can’t always make contact) mean he should be at least an average player. The ability to hit the ball so hard and so far has already been present in the majors, and making a little more contact will get him to a star level.
Robert’s contract potentially runs through 2027, which is longer than every other prospect-type player considered. That those years cover his age-23 through his age-29 seasons means that the White Sox are likely to get the very best seasons of Robert’s career. There’s some risk in Robert’s bat, but the risk is only that he won’t be a star, not that he won’t be a solid contributor. A year from now, he might move up this list, but he’s not likely to make a significant move down.
| Five-Year WAR | +23.0 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | – |
| Team Control Through | 2023 |
| Previous Rank | #9 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2021 | 28 | +5.2 | Arb1 |
| 2022 | 29 | +4.9 | Arb2 |
| 2023 | 30 | +4.8 | Arb3 |
After ending up ninth on this list a year ago, Chapman was bound to move down as he edged a year closer to free agency, but dip wasn’t significant. That’s hardly surprising. Since the start of the 2018 season, Matt Chapman’s 13.5 WAR ranks sixth among all position players. His 92.9 mph average exit velocity ranks fourth in the game, and he’s the best-fielding third baseman in baseball. Oakland still has three years of team control in the form of arbitration salaries, and those three years come at a cost far less than almost all comparable players. The five players ahead of Chapman in WAR the last two years are on contracts that pay them an average of $29 million per year while Chapman won’t total that amount until the middle of 2023. He’s 27 years old, so the next three seasons shouldn’t see too much of a decline, and ZiPS agrees with his average of five wins per year sitting 10th among all players considered for this list. Chapman might feel underrated, but the league understands his value.
| Five-Year WAR | +18.1 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | $15.0 M |
| Team Control Through | 2024 |
| Previous Rank | #17 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2021 | 27 | +4.0 | $6.0 M |
| 2022 | 28 | +3.9 | $8.0 M |
| 2023 | 29 | +3.7 | $10.0 M |
| 2024 | 30 | +3.5 | $12.0 M |
At the time of the rankings last season, Marte had just a half-season breakout and he ranked 17th on this list. Then he went out and put up a 177 wRC+ in the second half to remove any doubt about his first half. Marte’s 150 wRC+ might have been a bit more than can be expected in future years, but his .379 xwOBA from Statcast was even with Pete Alonso’s and in line with Alex Bregman’s and Austin Meadows’. He has the ability to play second base and center field, and at 26 years of age, he should be in his prime for the duration of his team-friendly contract. Marte signed a long-term deal before his breakout, and even if both options are exercised, he’ll make just $36 million over the four seasons after this one. Last season, Marte’s projected ZiPS for 2021 was just 3.3 WAR; it’s now jumped up to four wins. You don’t have to believe that Marte’s seven-win 2019 season is the expectation going forward to see that he should be an incredible value for the next four years.
| Five-Year WAR | +18.1 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | – |
| Team Control Through | 2026 |
| Previous Rank | #23 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2021 | 20 | +2.5 | Pre-Arb |
| 2022 | 21 | +3.1 | Pre-Arb |
| 2023 | 22 | +3.7 | Pre-Arb |
| 2024 | 23 | +4.4 | Arb1 |
| 2025 | 24 | +4.5 | Arb2 |
There is no disagreement about Wander Franco being the best prospect in baseball. Eric Longenhaen called him, as a prospect, the “best I’ve evaluated during my tenure here.” He’s never played above High-A, but he’s dominated with the bat and the scouting evaluations are just as good. ZiPS doesn’t provide much skepticism, either, also rating Franco as the best prospect in the game and giving him the 12th-best 2025 ZiPS projection of the players considered for this list. He has hit. He will hit. He can field at shortstop. There’s not much to dislike about Franco’s game and his future.
The lack of a minor-league season will prevent teams from getting a good look at his progress in 2020, though there’s still an outside chance he comes up at some point this season. He’s just 19 years old and whether he sees big league action this season or early next year will make the difference between having team control through his age-25 season in 2026 or his age-26 season in 2027. I could have been more aggressive with this placement, and probably would have been in a normal season, but the abbreviated major league season coupled with no minor league season means his trade value is only better than all but 10 of the very best players in baseball. We can look at Ronald Acuña Jr., Juan Soto, or Fernando Tatis Jr. as the players who one day might displace Mike Trout as the best player in baseball. But the heir to Trout’s throne might be a 19-year-old who has never taken an at-bat above A-ball.
| Rk | Pv | Player | Age | 2021 | 2022 | 2023 | 2024 | 2025 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 11 | 23 | Wander Franco | 19 | +2.5 Pre-Arb |
+3.1 Pre-Arb |
+3.7 Pre-Arb |
+4.4 Arb1 |
+4.5 Arb2 |
| 12 | 17 | Ketel Marte | 26 | +4.0 $6.0 M |
+3.9 $8.0 M |
+3.7 $10.0 M |
+3.5 $12.0 M |
|
| 13 | 9 | Matt Chapman | 27 | +5.2 Arb1 |
+4.9 Arb2 |
+4.8 Arb3 |
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| 14 | – | Luis Robert | 22 | +3.1 $3.5 M |
+3.3 $6.0 M |
+3.3 $9.5 M |
+3.2 $12.5 M |
+3.1 $15.0 M |
| 15 | 7 | Christian Yelich | 28 | +5.1 $14.0 M |
+4.9 $26.0 M |
+4.5 $26.0 M |
+3.9 $26.0 M |
+3.3 $26.0 M |
| 16 | 14 | Rafael Devers | 23 | +4.2 Arb1 |
+4.4 Arb2 |
+4.4 Arb3 |
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| 17 | 33 | José Ramírez | 27 | +5.0 $9.0 M |
+4.7 $11.0 M |
+4.3 $13.0 M |
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| 18 | 11 | Walker Buehler | 25 | +3.9 Arb1 |
+3.8 Arb2 |
+3.3 Arb3 |
+3.3 Arb4 |
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| 19 | HM | Jack Flaherty | 24 | +4.7 Arb1 |
+4.6 Arb2 |
+4.2 Arb3 |
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| 20 | 32 | Pete Alonso | 25 | +4.2 Pre-Arb |
+4.2 Arb1 |
+4.2 Arb2 |
+4.1 Arb3 |
|
| 21 | 30 | Chris Paddack | 24 | +2.8 Pre-Arb |
+2.8 Arb1 |
+2.6 Arb2 |
+2.6 Arb3 |
|
| 22 | 22 | Germán Márquez | 25 | +3.7 $7.5 M |
+3.8 $11.0 M |
+3.4 $15.0 M |
+3.4 $16.0 M |
|
| 23 | HM | Bo Bichette | 22 | +4.4 Pre-Arb |
+4.8 Pre-Arb |
+4.8 Arb1 |
+5.0 Arb2 |
+5.0 Arb3 |
| 24 | 10 | Vladimir Guerrero Jr. | 21 | +3.8 Pre-Arb |
+4.5 Arb1 |
+4.7 Arb2 |
+4.8 Arb3 |
+4.8 Arb4 |
| 25 | 31 | Aaron Nola | 27 | +3.8 $11.8 M |
+3.7 $15.0 M |
+3.3 $16.0 M |
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| 26 | HM | Gavin Lux | 22 | +4.0 Pre-Arb |
+4.4 Pre-Arb |
+4.6 Pre-Arb |
+4.8 Arb1 |
+4.7 Arb2 |
| 27 | 15 | Aaron Judge | 28 | +4.6 Arb2 |
+4.6 Arb3 |
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| 28 | 41 | Brandon Woodruff | 27 | +2.4 Arb1 |
+2.3 Arb2 |
+2.1 Arb3 |
+1.9 Arb4 |
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| 29 | 29 | Paul DeJong | 26 | +3.5 $4.0 M |
+3.3 $6.0 M |
+3.1 $9.0 M |
+3.0 $12.5 M |
+2.6 $15.0 M |
| 30 | 20 | Blake Snell | 27 | +3.0 $10.5 M |
+2.9 $12.5 M |
+2.6 $16.0 M |
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| 31 | 49 | Matt Olson | 26 | +3.9 Arb1 |
+3.8 Arb2 |
+3.8 Arb3 |
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| 32 | 50 | Luis Castillo | 27 | +3.3 Arb1 |
+3.3 Arb2 |
+2.9 Arb3 |
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| 33 | HM | Lucas Giolito | 25 | +4.3 Arb1 |
+4.1 Arb2 |
+3.8 Arb3 |
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| 34 | HM | Yordan Alvarez | 23 | +3.9 Pre-Arb |
+4.0 Pre-Arb |
+3.9 Arb1 |
+3.9 Arb2 |
+3.9 Arb3 |
| 35 | HM | Max Muncy | 29 | +3.7 $9.0 M |
+3.2 $13.0 M |
+2.6 $13.0 M |
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| 36 | – | Ramón Laureano | 25 | +3.0 Pre-Arb |
+2.9 Arb1 |
+2.8 Arb2 |
+2.7 Arb3 |
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| 37 | HM | Austin Meadows | 25 | +3.3 Pre-Arb |
+3.1 Arb1 |
+2.8 Arb2 |
+2.8 Arb3 |
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| 38 | 38 | Jorge Polanco | 26 | +3.0 $4.3 M |
+2.9 $5.5 M |
+2.7 $7.5 M |
+2.7 $10.5 M |
+2.2 $12.0 M |
| 39 | 40 | Max Kepler | 27 | +3.0 $6.5 M |
+2.9 $6.8 M |
+2.8 $8.5 M |
+2.3 $10.0 M |
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| 40 | 39 | Jeff McNeil | 28 | +3.9 Pre-Arb |
+3.7 Arb1 |
+3.5 Arb2 |
+2.9 Arb3 |
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| 41 | HM | Adley Rutschman | 22 | +1.6 Pre-Arb |
+2.0 Pre-Arb |
+2.2 Pre-Arb |
+2.3 Arb1 |
+2.5 Arb2 |
| 42 | 28 | Joey Gallo | 26 | +2.4 Arb2 |
+2.4 Arb3 |
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| 43 | 16 | Shohei Ohtani | 25 | +2.3 Arb1 |
+2.2 Arb2 |
+2.1 Arb3 |
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| 44 | HM | Nate Pearson | 23 | +1.8 Pre-Arb |
+1.8 Pre-Arb |
+1.7 Arb1 |
+1.6 Arb2 |
+1.6 Arb3 |
| 45 | – | Jesús Luzardo | 22 | +1.7 Pre-Arb |
+1.9 Pre-Arb |
+1.6 Arb1 |
+1.6 Arb2 |
+1.5 Arb3 |
| 46 | HM | Keston Hiura | 23 | +3.0 Pre-Arb |
+3.1 Pre-Arb |
+3.2 Arb1 |
+3.2 Arb2 |
+2.8 Arb3 |
| 47 | HM | Mookie Betts | 27 | +6.2 $22.9 M |
+5.9 $22.9 M |
+5.7 $25.4 M |
+5.1 $30.4 M |
+4.4 $30.4 M |
| 48 | 24 | Jacob deGrom | 32 | +4.6 $37.5 M |
+4.1 $37.5 M |
+3.8 $34.5 M |
+3.5 $32.5 M |
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| 49 | 19 | Xander Bogaerts | 27 | +4.1 $20.0 M |
+3.9 $20.0 M |
+3.7 $20.0 M |
+3.2 $20.0 M |
+2.5 $20.0 M |
| 50 | HM | Dustin May | 22 | +2.4 Pre-Arb |
+2.3 Pre-Arb |
+2.3 Arb1 |
+2.3 Arb2 |
+2.3 Arb3 |
Craig Edwards can be found on twitter @craigjedwards.
You’ve got the wrong Jose Ramirez linked btw.
Thanks. Fixed.
I’m usually not one to bang on the “prospects have way more value” drum… but with Franco that seems to be the case. If we’re talking the best prospect since Trout/Harper (if not since Griffey) the amount of risk would seemingly be less than with even the Acuña , Moncada, or Tatis Jr. type former top prospects (or close to it). I guess what I’m saying is there seems to be less risk that Franco is Buxton (who’s very good!), and really should be compared to the all time great prospects. Maybe if he had reached AA and hit there we’d be talking top 8? Top 5?
I was thinking the same, but I think Craig explained really well why the special circumstances this year make him “only” the 11th most valuable asset in the game…as a 19 year old who has never played above High A and has less than 800 professional PA. I suspect what he said about Robert is also true of Franco – he might move up next year, but he almost certainly won’t move down.
But yeah, I think if the Rays had a stroke and decided to move him, they’d get back a king’s ransom.
Yeah like Lewis Brinson (outfielder), Isan Diaz (middle infielder), Monte Harrison (outfielder) and Jordan Yamamoto (right-handed pitcher). Woohoo
Not the same thing. Yelich was traded after the 2017 season. In the 2017 trade value list he was listed at #27, in the 2018 list he was listed at #22. Both of those were made before his huge 2018 2nd half explosion. Yelich was a different player when he was traded, he was not the perennial MVP caliber player he is today. If he was that good at the time of the trade then he would’ve garnered a much bigger haul.
There were indications that Yelich was being harmed by his home park, but the degree of the swing and to which he’s benefitted specifically from Miller Park as a home park is not really something that was predictable at the time, and indeed, even if it was it’s not really clear that Yelich would have been equally valuable to other teams because of the degree to which his production is related to his home/road splits at Miller Park.
Perhaps the Brewers recognized the degree to which Yelich’s batted ball profile would align with their park, but that doesn’t mean it’s true of other parks, and consequently that there were other teams interested at the same level required to drive his return up.
Trade return requires multiple interested teams. It’s not as simple as calculating the benefit to the receiving team – it’s a question of interest from others in a marketplace. You see this in a lot of trades: The Betts trade was also affected by a (surprisingly) small number of teams appearing to be interested in making it work (really just LAD and SDP, and only LAD being interested in doing the trade the way Boston wanted, ie with Price included). When you wonder why the return for Betts was not higher, the fact that other teams with prospect capital did not get involved is a significant factor. The confluence of prospect capital, competitive opportunity, financial willingness to engage with what Boston wanted to do, and confidence that they had the resources to make a competitive long-term offer all conspired to limit the market for Betts to just one serious team.
Yelich’s rise wasn’t just because he got away from Miami’s home park, and into Miller park. That had some effect but the real change was in his batted ball profile. You think it stayed the same but it changed significantly, he hit less groundballs, and had more hard contact than he did in Miami (both in terms of hard % and exit velocity).
His away wRC+ in his years in Miami were: 142, 110, 122, 147, 127. Average is about 130
His away wRC+ while in Milwaukke has been: 155, 152
Miami definitely hurt him but he’s simply a different and better hitter now than compared to who he was before the trade. The trade was seen as a fair trade at the time. Nobody was up in arms about it when it happened. It only looks bad because Yelich got better and the prospects didn’t pan out.
Thank you Craig, very cool!
Since July 1 of last season Pete Alonso is slashing 242/351/513 giving him a 126 wRC+. Those are good numbers obviously but still rank just 7th among 1B in that time frame. I am not sure I buy the projections and that he didn’t just come back down to earth and settle in as a solidly above average 1B
If only the team had an extra year of control, maybe then he would be worth this ranking…
He hit 53 home runs in his first big league season and we’re using some arbitrary July 1st cutoff date to question his production so far and going forward? Sheesh.
Ok, let’s go into more detail as to why this is a disingenuous way to evaluate Pete Alonso.
First, you picked July 1st because July happened to be his worst month of the year. So let’s do what you did but the opposite; had Pete Alonso not played July at all – and only played the other 5+ months, he would have slashed: 274/383/606 – 989 OPS last year
If we chose to start the clock on Pete Alonso on August 1st of last year, instead of July 1st, through today, Pete Alonso is slashing: 262/382/531 – 913 OPS.
If you remove BOTH July’s from Pete Alonso’s career, in 763 career AB”s that didn’t take place in July, Alonso has 66 homers and is slashing 272/385/589 – 974 OPS.
What I’m getting at here is arbirtray cut offs are exactly that. You chose July because it was his worst month and brings down the numbers signifcantly. Fact is, Alonso had a very good August and September last year, so it’s not as if pitchers figured him out and he’s struggled since. In addition, he got off to a slow start this year – which was far from orthodox.
If anything, the two July’s have been an outlier, not the norm or a sign of things to come. Alonso had a 938 and 918 OPS in August and September last year, hitting 17 home runs. If the league figured him out, that’s a funny way of showing it. In August of this year, Alonso is pushing a 900 OPS after a slow start.
What I’m saying is you can’t remove the good and exasperate the bad to make some point. If you go from August last year and not July, Alonso was nearly every bit as good as he was before July last year. He wasn’t figured out, he just has good and bad months like anyone else.
You’ve picked a really arbitrary endpoint. Also, Alonso had a really bad start to this shortened season, perhaps his first 50 or so PA’s. He looks better the last couple of weeks. But those 50 or so PA’s are going to drag down your arbitrary endpoint data.
But I guess I should hold myself to a consistency standard, since I used Ohtani’s league-average hitting since last July 1 to question his placement. Still, there’s a difference between league-average and 126 wRC+, and part of the comment on Ohtani is based on injuries. So I think it’s somewhat different.
So 7/10 from last years top 10 remain, with Torres, Moncada, and Bieber joining them. That’s probably less movement than just about any other year, but seems predictable when you don’t play the first 4 months of the season.
As for the top, after Acuña I think there is a weird little dance with Trout and Tatis. Of course we know Trout will likely not be nearly as good the next ten years as the last ten, but as for how much is left on the contract/control, Tatis is burning at more than twice the rate. I think Tatis holds onto the #2 slot, but without an extension you could actually see Trout reclaim that spot next year if he is still head and shoulders above the league.
zero doubt it’s Acuna
PETE ALONSO in the top 20??
He’s young, cheap, and very, very good at baseball. Sounds like someone with lots of trade value to me!
literally everyone on the list meets that description
Literally, everyone on the list does not meet that description.
And to give an example from the very page we are viewing, Yelich, who is not cheap, is projected for 21.8 WAR over the next five years. Alonso is projected for 20.4 WAR. Yelich will cost you $202.5 million. Alonso might cost you 5 times less. That’s a lot of extra scratch for a couple of WAR spread over 5 years. It sounds like Craig sees more downside for Alonso, and that’s fair, but I’d still bet way more on surplus value out of Pete’s contract than Yelich’s.
This is a weird comparison and a weird way of comparing. First, Alonzo is not under control for that 5th year. Of course, Yellich is under control for that 5th year, but it is very possible that by then his contract will underwater moving forward, because he is owed a lot of money for years 6-8 when he could be a mediocre player.
There is also of course this year, which is huge for Yellich’s trade value. He’s currently in discussion of 2nd best player in baseball. Alonzo is not. In addition, Alonzo doesn’t have a contract, but it is worth noting that he is the type of player that breaks the bank in arbitration. By his second run through arbitration, he may not be playing at that big of a discount.
All this is to say that comparing Yellich and Alonzo is really not a simple task as the current talent levels, age, contract/control, and player profiles are very different. For my money, I actually though Yellich should be in or close to top 10. I think I’d rather have him and his contract than any other player in this post if I’m a current contender.
Actually ‘cheap’ by definition implies that the cost is relatively low so it depends on what you are comparing the cost to. Relative to player quality, every player on this list is ‘cheap’ but relative to say, league-wide average salary, some of these players would not be considered ‘cheap.’
Cheap isn’t really a great adjective since it needs context.
A well supported piece; it’s all semantics, but I’d say Flaherty should be higher than Walker but that’s just a prefernce.
if you think they’re even roughly comparable, the extra year of Buehler making the difference makes a lot of sense.
Yeah, I guess with pitchers I’m not banking as much on those last years of control as being as valuable as they would be for a position player due to all the injuries to pitchers today. Plus, I just like Flaherty a good bit more.
Actually the only reason they are so close together on this list is because they are not viewed as all that comparable in terms of skill. 1 spot means they are essentially interchangeable as is.
If Flaherty had another year of team control he’d move well ahead of Buehler and probably be in Franco’s spot. And if Buehler only had 3 years of control like Flaherty he’d be down around Castillo and Giolito.
I think I’d put Flaherty ahead of Buehler as well on this list and it’s because I don’t think they are comparable skill wise, it’s only their team control that evens it out.
I’m sort of wondering if there will be more trade volume or less this year. I think it could go either way.
I just don’t see any teams really mortgaging the future to go all in this year. The opening round 3-gamer makes things more of a crapshoot than ever and I think at least subconsciously there will be a lowered drive to win this asterisk championship.
I think most trades will be for rental pitching depth or maybe some salary dumps for mediocre players. Mike Minor could be the best player traded and even that requires a Rangers team that could sneak into the playoffs to give up.
Never underestimate Rick Hahn…
Hahn has done fine with deadline deals. I know everyone wants to point to Shields for Tatis, but Hahn has won almost every other deal he’s made during this rebuild. He’s also not going to trade fro a veteran with limited control.
The Red Sox and Nats won WS thanks to Hahn deals. Sure Hahn might not have lost those deals, but he traded two players who were extremely important to those teams winning the WS. They’re draws at best.
Also Hahn helped build the A’s with the Samardzija deal. I guess deal wasn’t part of Hahn’s second rebuild, but it was part of his first (failed) rebuild.
It’s at least less of a crapshoot than it was for teams in past years to mortgage their futures hoping to win a Wild Card spot but with little chance of winning their divisions.
Less. More spots available so fewer sellers, especially in the NL where pretty much everybody is in it. Less track record to look at and convince a GM that the guy they have penciled in as the 4th starter isn’t going to do the job. Less track record for players on the sellers to establish themselves as the solution to anybody’s problems.
Really weird year that people are having trouble convincing themselves is really happening.
I can tell myself it is mid-August and my team needs to improve NOW! but it still feels like May from a baseball standpoint and I know everything I am looking at is small sample size. Yasmani Grandal is hitting .222/.346/.317. Edwin Encarnacion is at .179/.246/.411. Does anybody believe they are both washed up and the White Sox need help there? Mike Trout is only the 26th most valuable hitter in baseball in mid-August! It’s just really hard to scout and GM’s can’t go by the old strategy of taking 50 games to see what you’ve got and 50 games to try to fix it.
These are strange times. Beyond the regular non-competitive, competitive cycles, there should be a significant difference in discount rates between teams based on their views of the future. That should lead to a lot of interesting trades, but probably won’t.
Wander Franco won’t be up until he’s mashed in AA/AAA for a while and then even then the Rays might manipulate his service time by not calling him up until June 2022 to avoid super two. If he’s going to be as good as advertised, avoiding super two will save them millions. There’s no way they’re calling him up this year and starting his service time clock.
Also, I feel like Pete Alonso should have been much lower. An offense only 1B who’s probably a DH with a bad body type shouldn’t be in the top 20. Does he belong on this list? Yes. But I’d probably put him more to the back end.
if they plan on keeping Franco in the minors for an extended period of time to avoid service time issues, calling him up for a couple weeks this year really isnt going to matter much. They will just call him up in July 2022 instead of June 2022.
The issue is if you call him up now and he’s one of the best hitters on the team, there’s no way he gets sent down next year. I guess they could, but I’m assuming the Rays want him nice and polished before they call him up like they did with pretty much every other top prospect on their team.
If they call him up and he is one of the best hitters in baseball then he is obviously good enough that he wasnt going to stay in the minors for very long anyway. No matter what the Rays planned to do.
Manipulating service time by keeping a guy down a few extra weeks is one thing. But no team is going to stick a guy who has shown to be one of the best hitters in MLB in the minors for years and waste extremely productive years just to gain service time.
If he hits he will be up sooner rather than later. I’m sure the Jays didnt want to call up Vladdy at age 19. Then he posted like a 200 wRC+ in AA/AAA lol.
The Braves did it with Acuña, he had a .900 OPS across three levels as a 19yo and got his service time manipulated the next year. It’s deeply annoying as a baseball fan who wants to see top prospects ASAP but I expect the same to happen with Wander— no minor leagues this year means that if he follows the same track he won’t be up until after the service time cutoff in 2022. The Rays know good and well they’ll save tens of millions of dollars by pushing his service time clock back a couple of years.
After the player is fully ready (crushing the minor leagues), you really aren’t saving anything by pushing a debut back a year. You are simply trading time now for time later.
From the team’s perspective, the 2-week service time cutoff and the super-2 cutoff matter, but holding a player back more than that, especially with a contending team, makes zero sense from the team’s perspective.
No they didnt. They held him down for 23 games in 2018 which is the “standard” service time manipulation. They did not hold him down for months/years when he was clearly ready just to gain service time. Which is what we are talking about here.
Which of course doesn’t really happen because no GM is interested in helping out the cause of the GM that replaces him after he is fired, and purposely keeping good players off the MLB team for a year or more is a good way to have a bad team and get fired.
Yes, I too would hate to see great players play in the major leagues.
Two years ago if you told me Ketel Marte would soon be the 12th most valuable player in baseball I’d ask you what it was like being the parents of Ketel Marte
There were several Fangraphs authors on this actually. Ex:
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/my-current-favorite-breakout-pick/
There are a few of these guys recently who Fangraphs was way ahead on. Mookie is another one.
I remember Carson Cistulli being high on Kluber for years and years. That was crazy.
Corey kluber appreciation society was… notgraphsesque until it suddenly wasn’t
Just one more reminder that even when it appears the M’s have won….they lose. If you forget this fact, it was easy to miss that near certainty that in the near future one player from the trade would one of the most valuable pieces in all of baseball and one would be out for half a decade with broken nuts. Mitch…..we love ya’, Shit happens. It just happens to the Mariners more often. Anyone know a timetable for when Guiti will be back to full strength?
Some of these are highly questionable. Alonso isn’t even the best 1B on the Mets. Yelich trade value is not that high, that contract is too big When ~20 teams won’t take you, it reduces trade value.
While I recognize how hard it is to put a list like this together…I’m really not sure about this list so far. Just this group of 10 has me asking major questions about how this list was put together – for example:
Does anyone think the Dodgers (one of the few teams that can afford Yelich) would even consider trading Buehler straight up for Yelich?
How does Pete Alonso ever produce more than the ~5 wins he did last year? If there’s no extra upside, there’s only downside to his projections, and he’s already 25. One bad season and he’s probably all the way off the list….should he really be listed at 20? For as bad as Vladito has started his career, his offensive projections are nearly as good as Alonso’s, and he’s 4 years younger (and probably cheaper in arb since he’s not as HR-dependent).
As far as I know, in the past this has basically been a list of surplus value weighted slightly towards present value (which makes sense, cause that’s typically how teams trade). This is…not that.
I’d take Vlad over Alonso 100x out of 100, and I am not even high on Vlad.
What I’ll say in defense of Alonso, is look at what AZ got back for one year of an older Goldschmidt. Admittedly the latter is a better player, but there’s years more control here. Bookend that with a player who was worth less at the time, Rizzo, still getting back shiny prospect Andrew Cashner in a trade. So it’s not like the industry hasn’t been willing to pony up for first basemen, and Alonso is a star level one
The thing is, neither of those packages were anywhere close to what it would take to get one of the guys on this list (specifically, the top 20), and I don’t think Alonso’s years of control are worth nearly as much as those of the other young guys here. If Alonso looks like Goldschmidt in 3 years then sure, there’s plenty of surplus value there. But is that the median scenario? I don’t see how he can be better than that, and I see plenty of ways for him to settle in as a 2-3 WAR 1B-only masher, making like $15M in arbitration. Not much surplus value there…
That is my exact thing. A slight step back and he is CJ Cron. Cj Cron put up 2.2 WAR hit 30HRs and 123 wRC+ before happy fun ball and he literally got cut. To me I just don’t see this amazing value in Alonso. The reason why I’d prefer Vlad despite him not doing a whole lot now is the potential to be one of the best hitters in the MLB for another decade. People don’t remember when he was coming up everyone said he was the next Miggy, or Pujols and he literally turned 21 in spring training. Sure, his first go around hasn’t been anything amazing, and he is now just a 1st base DH type, but the ceiling is there. I’d be shocked if Alonso ever has a better year, and I’d bet every dollar I have that in the next ten years Vlad beats his 143wRC+. Hell, he was nearly projected for that when he was called up, iirc he was projected for 138 by conservative projection systems. A lot of stars struggle for a while. His problem is incredibly clear: groundballs. He doesn’t strike out much, he walks a fair amount. He will be at 150wRC+ monster year in and year out at some point. He hits the ball as hard as nearly anyone alive, all the while striking out significantly less than anyone who hits the ball that hard.
No offense to Brewers, but if they can afford Yelich, half the teams in the league can.
More than half. Milwaukee is a legit small market team. Yellich’s AAV is significantly lower than the upper echelon at this point. Even looking at the backend it is straight $26 million per year which is not debilitating like some big deals for small market teams have been (like Mauer in Minnesota).
That’s true, but only if he continues to be a star. $26M on a 3-win player is money poorly spent for many teams in the league, and that’s what Yelich is projected to become halfway through the rest of his contract. That lowers his trade value quite a bit relative to a cheap young player.
It also depends on teams’ current payroll commitments. Neither the Cubs nor the Angels, both big market teams, would be able to afford him this offseason unless they made a significant salary dumping trade or two first or within the same deal.
Would Jose Ramirez actually make more money if he were in arbitration these next three years instead of under contract?
Yes
Since 2018:
Luke Voit & Pete Alonso have both played 180 some games. Voit has a wRC+ of 145, Alonso 140. Granted Alonso is 25 & Voit is 28, plus Alonso is the better defender (5.2 vs 4.5 WAR with equal baserunning). But Voit feels at least a little underrated
Voit is 29 and a lot of that “since 2018” was a blistering 40ish games in 2018. But really, I think your “granted” actually is a BFD. Alonzo should not really decline in the next 4 years. Voit, especially as a late bloomer with limited athleticism, is a prime candidate for a swifter decline.
All hitters who have performed well have periods like this. It is not a mark against a hitter to have streaks where they carry a team. Since he started playing full time with the Yankees, Voit has been an elite hitter except for when he was playing injured with the sports hernia at the end of last season.
Alonso put up 4.8 fWAR as a 25 year old rookie. Voit has put up 5 fWAR in his whole career (248 games) and is 4 years older.
Am I missing something? Why are we comparing these two re: value?
So Brandon Lowe really isn’t gonna make the list huh. Lol
I persistently feel bad for Pre-Arb and Arb stars and producers in this sport. They’re spending many of their most productive years being moderately to severally hamstrung in compensation relative to value.
The system needs to change, the NBA award much more reward to productive young players.