2019 Trade Value: #21 to #30

Like Max Scherzer, deGrom’s contract has deferrals that affect his trade value. (Photo: Keith Allison)

As is the annual tradition at FanGraphs, we’re using a week around the All-Star Game — when the industry pauses to take a metaphorical breather — to take stock of the top-50 trade chips in the sport. For more context on exactly what we’re trying to do here, see the Honorable Mentions post linked at the top of the page.

For this post and the two to follow, I’ll present a graphic (by way of the wizard Sean Dolinar) breaking down each player’s objective skill level (represented, in this case, by a five-year WAR projection from ZiPS), contract/team-control details, rank in last year’s series, and then year-by-year details of age, WAR, and contract through the end of 2023, although a couple players have control beyond those five years, and some, you’ll notice, show projections for fewer years to reflect when those players reach free agency. For those readers who are partial to spreadsheets rather than blocks of text, I’ll also include all of the players we’ve ranked so far in grid format at the bottom of the post.

It should be noted that the ZiPS WAR forecasts influenced the rankings a bit. For players who were bunched together, it acted as an impartial tiebreaker of sorts, but the industry opinions I solicited drove the rankings.

With that said, let’s get to the next 10 spots on this year’s Trade Value list.

Five-Year WAR +12.6
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2024
Previous Rank
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2020 24 +2.5 Pre-Arb
2021 25 +2.5 Pre-Arb
2022 26 +2.7 Arb1
2023 27 +2.6 Arb2
2024 28 +2.3 Arb3
Pre-Arb
Arb

Paddack was acquired from the Marlins in 2016 for Fernando Rodney, a move that looks like highway robbery in hindsight. Paddack blew out his elbow three starts after the trade and wasn’t a big prospect at that time; he’d had gaudy numbers in Low-A at that point, but had signed for $400,000 in the eighth round and was a fastball/changeup type with feel and a below average breaking ball. Paddack has come on a lot since then and is basically a No. 3 starter in his age-23 rookie season, and looks like he’s traveling the James Shields path.

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In his age-28 and age-30 seasons, Shields had one tick velo jumps that improved the firmness of his breaking ball and helped him stay the frontline pitcher he had become; his career abruptly ended when the velo backed up. Shields’ top velo season averaged 92.4; Paddack’s has been 93.8 this year. I mention this to show a path one similar pitcher took to being a frontline starter, but also to demonstrate how essential velocity can be to this type of pitcher, even more so than to others.

With a Tommy John on his resume, and post-TJ innings limits coming into play this year, handling Paddack correctly in the season before San Diego is likely to be a real playoff threat is important. Calling him up on Opening Day instead of leaving him in Triple-A for two weeks to gain another year of control could look like a bad decision in retrospect, but the complicated calculus of that was covered in the introduction. Paddack gets the edge over No. 31 Aaron Nola for his extra year of control, relative youth, and lower salaries, but you could flip their spots at the end of this potential ace tier depending on how you feel about Paddack’s TJ and Nola’s track record.

Five-Year WAR +15.2
Guaranteed Dollars $20.5 M
Team Control Through 2025
Previous Rank HM
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2020 26 +3.4 $1.5 M
2021 27 +3.4 $4.0 M
2022 28 +3.0 $6.0 M
2023 29 +2.9 $9.0 M
2024 30 +2.5 $12.5 M
Team Option

DeJong was an honorable mention on last year’s list largely because his plate discipline went from being below average in 2017 to “okay” in 2018; now it’s good. The Cardinals, noted purveyors of Devil Magic, also have a deft hand with developing the offensive game of unheralded infield prospects, so maybe this shouldn’t be surprising. We could also play the Matt Olson Game with Mr. DeJong: DeJong is on pace to post 10 WAR in his first three seasons, and the other six shortstops who have done that (Francisco Lindor, Xander Bogaerts, Andrelton Simmons, Manny Machado, Javier Baez, Trevor Story) are all recognized as the top tier at the position, along with some (Carlos Correa, Trea Turner) behind DeJong who are also seen as that type of player. DeJong also signed a reasonably-priced extension and has posted a 7.4 UZR/150 in his career, also sneakily better than you expected. He doesn’t qualify for Team Sexy either, but 18ish WAR through 2025 for $57 million from a player with this track record qualifies as very valuable, with DeJong entering the traditional peak season ages in 2020 and 2021.

Five-Year WAR +13.8
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2022
Previous Rank
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2020 26 +2.9 Arb1
2021 27 +3.0 Arb2
2022 28 +2.8 Arb3
Arb

Until this year, Joey Gallo was both an awe-inspiring collection of 80 power, a 70 arm, and 55 speed and a punchline about where offense was heading, with 200 strikeouts per year, a batting average just a hair above the Mendoza line, and more home runs than singles. Then this year, Gallo started doing almost everything a little bit better; now he’s projected to finish the season with 5 WAR. I won’t profess to know the aging curve for players with this specific set of qualities, but Gallo is 25, so he’s probably got a couple more years to perform at the peak of his powers. That said, some worry that he’ll revert back to the old version of himself until he’s demonstrated he can do this for two straight years, so there’s some risk here, similar to a young, fireballing pitcher with half a season of ace-level performance.

Five-Year WAR +17.9
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2022
Previous Rank #8
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2020 27 +4.2 Arb2
2021 28 +4.0 Arb3
2022 29 +3.6 Arb4
Arb

Turner experienced some natural regression in terms of list position, falling from a top-10 spot into the double digits because a low-cost 4.8 WAR season is now in the past. There’s also been some regression in how his ability is perceived. He’s now missed notable time in two of his three full seasons in the big leagues and while he’s keeping pace offensively, the major defensive metrics all point to real regression at shortstop. Everything went right in terms of durability and defense in 2018, to go along with established levels of offense and baserunning, but now it seems like that could be Turner’s career year. Something like 13 WAR for $40 million is a huge bargain for the Nationals, but it looked a little better at this point last season.

Five-Year WAR +16.7
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2022
Previous Rank #46
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2020 26 +3.5 Arb1
2021 27 +3.5 Arb2
2022 28 +3.4 Arb3
Arb

Berrios was a speculative frontline type arm in last year’s rankings, and he’s basically held steady in terms of staying healthy and continuing to perform. As the rotation anchor for an emerging Twins club, Berrios is getting even closer to that rarified air where a player’s trade value jumps because he would be the Game 1 starter for almost any team in the playoffs. He’s also a nice candidate for a four-year extension that covers a free agent year along the lines of Aaron Nola’s or Blake Snell’s deals this past winter, though I get the impression that Berrios would prefer to go year-by-year through arbitration and try for a big payday in free agency. Given how they handled Max Kepler and Jorge Polanco, I’m sure Minnesota will try to change his mind.

Five-Year WAR +18.1
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2021
Previous Rank #11
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2020 28 +4.7 Arb3
2021 29 +4.3 Arb4
Arb

Bryant has bounced back across the board from last year’s down season, projecting to end up with 5.6 WAR on the heels of last year’s 2.3 figure. With his Super Two status last year and a historic first three big league seasons (he averaged 6.9 WAR per year), Bryant is on track to set some arbitration records. He’s making $12.9 million this year, and I’d bet the last two years cost the Cubs more than $40 million. This is another case, much like Freddie Freeman’s, where the value isn’t in the dry WAR/salary formula but in the scarcity of elite hitters. I’d guess the odds of an extension into 2022 is under 5%, with some recent reports indicating that agent Scott Boras smells a precedent-setting series of arbitration awards and a free agent deal, which means almost no number would satisfy him.

Five-Year WAR +19.6
Guaranteed Dollars $120.5 M
Team Control Through 2024
Previous Rank #25
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2020 32 +4.5 $23.0 M
2021 33 +4.5 $33.5 M
2022 34 +3.8 $33.5 M
2023 35 +3.5 $30.5 M
2024 36 +3.3 $32.5 M
Team Option
Player Option

Like Scherzer, deGrom signed an extension with some deferred money, so before we go any further, let’s do some snazzy NPV calculations to see what he’s really getting paid. On paper, deGrom is making $17 million via arbitration for 2019, before his extension will pay him $120.5 million from 2020-2023 ($23M, $33.5M, $33.5M, and $30.5M, respectively), with a club option for $32.5 million in 2024 with no buyout. There is an opt-out after 2022, so his 2023 salary is basically a player option for $30.5 million, followed by a 2024 club option for $32.5 million. On top of this, there are 15-year deferments without interest of $12MM in 2020 (i.e. $11M in 2020, $12M in 2035 from the total $23M for the 2020 season on paper), $13.5MM in 2021, $15MM in 2022, $12MM in 2023 (player option), and $15MM in 2024 (club option).

All this means that deGrom’s former agent signed him to a contract that includes lots of deferred money, thus inflating the deal’s raw figures and inviting comparisons to the Mets’ deal with Bobby Bonilla, which is some real fun stuff. What this amounts to in terms of 2020 dollars is a three-year, $63.6 million deal, a $21.2 million player option and a $23.0 million club option with no buyout. Let’s assume the worst and say deGrom doesn’t meet expectations and the Mets are on the hook for the 4-year deal: that tab would be $84.8 million.

In the addendum to Scherzer’s blurb I said he could now be ranked as high as the 20’s on this list since more than just a few teams could afford him given that new information. If you’ve read this site for any length of time, you can feel a table coming. Here’s one including ZiPS projections and NPV contract figures (EDIT: these figures got slightly updated Wednesday afternoon after more consultation with clubs). Since the salaries are NPV’d to 2020 dollars, these numbers won’t match other $/WAR figures since the WAR isn’t also scaled for time-value, but a $/WAR for just these two contracts would serve to compare them on equal footing.

Max Scherzer vs. Jacob deGrom
Scherzer deGrom
NPV Salary ZiPS WAR NPV Salary ZiPS WAR
2019 ROS $12,920,000 2.8 $7,300,000 2.6
2020 $25,840,000 5.6 $21,200,000 4.5
2021 $25,840,000 5.6 $21,200,000 4.5
2022 $21,200,000 3.8
2023 $21,200,000 3.5
Totals $64,610,000 14.0 $92,100,000 18.9

The Mets are paying 6% more for the WAR (as measured by $/WAR) than for Scherzer’s WAR, but they’re also getting two more affordable years of an ace and two more playoff runs, along with a buyout-free option for another year (not in this table since it isn’t guaranteed) if he’s still worth it in 2024. You could also interpret it as 4.5 years of finger crossing that deGrom doesn’t get hurt, as he already has a Tommy John surgery in his rear view and he throws hard (the two biggest indicators of another elbow surgery), so the bigger guarantee and longer term at a similar $/WAR rate is much more risk. Almost any club could justify these contracts if they were paid out as NPVs, though I could see some owners not wanting to have it structured in this way. I think deGrom gets a slight edge due to more control of an ace and at a lower annual rate, but I don’t think every team in baseball would see it that way.

Five-Year WAR +17.2
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2026
Previous Rank
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2020 19 +1.2 Pre-Arb
2021 20 +2.3 Pre-Arb
2022 21 +3.9 Pre-Arb
2023 22 +4.5 Arb1
2024 23 +5.3 Arb2
Pre-Arb
Arb

Franco is the top prospect in the game and also the only one who made the top 50 this year. Vladimir Guerrero Jr. (18th) and Fernando Tatis Jr. (39th) both made last year’s list with no major league service time; Franco is a superior prospect to those two at the same juncture, but the top of this year’s list is deeper than it was last year. It’s easy to compare Franco and Guerrero since they both spent their age-17 season in the Appalachian League. Vlad’s standout performance there in 2016 (122 wRC+, 8 HR, 12% BB, 13% K in 62 games) was eclipsed in 2018 by Franco’s offense (159 wRC+, 11 HR, 10% BB, 7% K in 61 games), to say nothing of the fact that he did it as a shortstop with plus speed, while Vlad was portly and projected to eventually fit at first base. Franco hasn’t just raised his prospect status this year playing in Low- and High-A as an 18-year-old — he’s actually performed better by those same metrics while making big jumps in competition level. There have been prospects who perform at a very young age relative to their league, but few can do it without needing a break-in period.

While some commenters in the earlier articles are incredulous that a good major league club would trade almost anyone from their roster for a kid in A-Ball, many executives I spoke with told me they would. Respected scouts with no dog in this fight have called Franco a “perfect prospect.” ZiPS, a weighted average of possible outcomes, thinks Franco will be a 4 WAR player by his second full season, at age 21, while making the league minimum. Franco should (on merit) get to Double-A this year and has a case to be in the big leagues two weeks into 2020. I don’t think the Rays will do that because they’re deep in the middle infield, they wouldn’t mind if Franco experienced and overcame some failure before the big leagues, and they are service time sensitive given their market size. If Franco keeps doing this in Double-A at the end of this season, waiting until the Super Two cutoff next summer might the longest they could wait.

Franco and Double-A second baseman Vidal Brujan (the 19th-best prospect in baseball) are the best middle infielders in the organization, meaning that by the end of next season, there will be three spots (third base and two utility slots) on the big league roster for the middle infield candidates in Double-A or higher who have real trade value, which includes (takes deep breath) Willy Adames, Brandon Lowe, Joey Wendle, Yandy Diaz, Matt Duffy, Christian Arroyo, Daniel Robertson, Michael Brosseau, Lucius Fox, Taylor Walls, Tyler Frank, Tristan Gray, Kean Wong, Jake Cronenworth, and Jermaine Palacios. This is one reason why the Rays traded Triple-A second baseman Nick Solak to Texas last week for some bullpen help.

Five-Year WAR +20.7
Guaranteed Dollars $38.0 M
Team Control Through 2024
Previous Rank
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2020 25 +4.2 $4.5 M
2021 26 +4.2 $7.5 M
2022 27 +4.3 $11.0 M
2023 28 +4.2 $15.0 M
2024 29 +3.8 $16.0 M
Team Option

Marquez was traded from Tampa Bay to Colorado after the 2015 season in the Jake McGee deal. That feels like one the Rays wish they could have back, similar to the Marlins with Paddack. Marquez was always a fastball/breaking ball reliant guy with advanced fastball command, but scouts always worried about the lack of a traditional third pitch, and Coors was another complicating factor. Fast forward to today, and Marquez is projected to finish his pre-arb years with 11.6 WAR over nearly 600 innings and $43 million guaranteed in an extension he signed last winter. Marquez is still 24 and some clubs think he could improve even more away from Coors, particularly given how the thin air affects breaking balls.

Five-Year WAR +21.2
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2024
Previous Rank
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2020 25 +4.3 Pre-Arb
2021 26 +4.3 Pre-Arb
2022 27 +4.3 Arb1
2023 28 +4.3 Arb2
2024 29 +4.0 Arb3
Pre-Arb
Arb

The Biebs was a solid pitcher as an amateur, a fourth rounder out of UC Santa Barbara with a bag full of 50 or 55-grade pitches and command. He performed well in the minors, with comically low walks rates, using his feel to beat up on lower level hitters. We adjusted our command grades up, then in 2018 he opened the season with a tick or two more of velocity while still showing borderline 80-grade command. We quickly moved him into the Top 100, though he was in the big leagues and out of prospect eligibility pretty quickly after that. Even after our scramble to upgrade his prospect ranking, Bieber has continued to crush expectations: he’s projected to finish 2019 with over 200 innings pitched and 5.4 WAR at age 24, just three years after he went 122nd overall in the draft. Given the mix of above average stuff and plus-plus command, along with a performance and injury record without blemishes, Bieber has earned his spot near the top of the list of most valuable pitching assets in the game.

2019 Trade Value, 21-50
Rk Pv Player Age 2020 2021 2022 2023 2024
21 Shane Bieber 24 +4.3
Pre-Arb
+4.3
Pre-Arb
+4.3
Arb1
+4.3
Arb2
+4.0
Arb3
22 German Marquez 24 +4.2
$4.5 M
+4.2
$7.5 M
+4.3
$11.0 M
+4.2
$15.0 M
+3.8
$16.0 M
23 Wander Franco 18 +1.2
Pre-Arb
+2.3
Pre-Arb
+3.9
Pre-Arb
+4.5
Arb1
+5.3
Arb2
24 25 Jacob deGrom 31 +4.5
$23.0 M
+4.5
$33.5 M
+3.8
$33.5 M
+3.5
$30.5 M
+3.3
$32.5 M
25 11 Kris Bryant 27 +4.7
Arb3
+4.3
Arb4
26 46 Jose Berrios 25 +3.5
Arb1
+3.5
Arb2
+3.4
Arb3
27 8 Trea Turner 26 +4.2
Arb2
+4.0
Arb3
+3.6
Arb4
28 Joey Gallo 25 +2.9
Arb1
+3.0
Arb2
+2.8
Arb3
29 HM Paul DeJong 25 +3.4
$1.5 M
+3.4
$4.0 M
+3.0
$6.0 M
+2.9
$9.0 M
+2.5
$12.5 M
30 Chris Paddack 23 +2.5
Pre-Arb
+2.5
Pre-Arb
+2.7
Arb1
+2.6
Arb2
+2.3
Arb3
31 21 Aaron Nola 26 +4.0
$8.0 M
+4.0
$11.8 M
+3.8
$15.0 M
+3.8
$16.0 M
32 Peter Alonso 24 +4.0
Pre-Arb
+4.1
Pre-Arb
+3.7
Arb1
+3.5
Arb2
+3.2
Arb3
33 1 Jose Ramirez 26 +4.6
$6.3 M
+4.5
$9.0 M
+4.0
$11.0 M
+3.5
$13.0 M
34 HM Javier Baez 26 +4.1
Arb2
+3.7
Arb3
35 34 Rhys Hoskins 26 +4.0
Pre-Arb
+4.0
Arb1
+3.8
Arb2
+3.2
Arb3
36 9 Freddie Freeman 29 +4.9
$22.0 M
+4.6
$22.0 M
37 HM Nick Senzel 24 +2.7
Pre-Arb
+2.7
Pre-Arb
+2.6
Arb1
+2.5
Arb2
+2.4
Arb3
38 Jorge Polanco 25 +3.1
$3.8 M
+3.2
$4.3 M
+2.8
$5.5 M
+2.7
$7.5 M
+2.2
$10.5 M
39 Jeff McNeil 27 +4.0
Pre-Arb
+3.8
Pre-Arb
+3.3
Arb1
+3.0
Arb2
+2.3
Arb3
40 Max Kepler 26 +3.0
$6.3 M
+2.8
$6.5 M
+2.6
$6.8 M
+2.1
$8.5 M
+1.6
$10.0 M
41 Brandon Woodruff 26 +2.9
Pre-Arb
+2.9
Arb1
+2.9
Arb2
+2.8
Arb3
+2.5
Arb4
42 Mike Soroka 21 +2.7
Pre-Arb
+2.7
Arb1
+2.9
Arb2
+2.9
Arb3
+2.7
Arb4
43 32 Eugenio Suarez 27 +3.5
$9.3 M
+3.2
$10.5 M
+3.2
$11.0 M
+2.7
$11.0 M
+2.2
$11.0 M
44 41 Max Scherzer 34 +5.6
$35.0 M
+5.6
$35.0 M
45 5 Carlos Correa 24 +4.2
Arb2
+4.3
Arb3
46 31 Gary Sanchez 26 +3.2
Arb1
+3.0
Arb2
+2.6
Arb3
47 13 Corey Seager 25 +4.0
Arb2
+3.9
Arb3
48 Adalberto Mondesi 23 +3.0
Pre-Arb
+3.0
Arb1
+2.9
Arb2
+2.8
Arb3
49 HM Matt Olson 25 +3.4
Pre-Arb
+3.4
Arb1
+3.1
Arb2
+2.9
Arb3
50 Luis Castillo 26 +3.4
Pre-Arb
+3.4
Arb1
+3.2
Arb2
+3.0
Arb3
Pre-Arb
Arb
Team Option
Player Option





Kiley McDaniel has worked as an executive and scout, most recently for the Atlanta Braves, also for the New York Yankees, Baltimore Orioles and Pittsburgh Pirates. He's written for ESPN, Fox Sports and Baseball Prospectus. Follow him on twitter.

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John EdwardsMember since 2020
7 years ago

Great stuff as always Kiley, one quick note – deGrom is making $9M this year through his extension, not $17M via arbitration. Not sure if that changes the calculation any but I figured I would point it out. Cheers!

TomahawkChopperMember since 2020
7 years ago

Why is Bryant so far ahead of Freeman? Similar expected value, similar expected salaries.

JimmyMember since 2019
7 years ago

ZiPS projects Bryant to be worth an extra win over the next two years and if Bryant gets $40 million over the next two years that’s $12 million in excess value over Freeman. That’s also using projections generated by ZiPS at the beginning of this season. With Bryant’s rebound this year, I’m guessing it’s looking like at least a 1.5-2 WAR gap total over the next two years, so a $16-20 million gap in value over that period.

vivalajeter
7 years ago
Reply to  Jimmy

Based on the chart above, Freeman is projected for high WAR each of the next two years. And I’m assuming it’s a recent Zips forecast, not a pre-season forecast, because someone like Jeff McNeil likely wasn’t projected as a 4-win player coming into the season.

JimmyMember since 2019
7 years ago
Reply to  vivalajeter

Oh I somehow completely missed the projected WAR column here. I was cross referencing with ZiPS 2020 and 2021 which now seems silly.

ScottyBMember since 2017
7 years ago

Positional flexibility?

MarioLopez
7 years ago

Bryant is younger, can play multiple positions, has been better throughout his career thus far and is over a full win better this current season

CC AFCMember since 2016
7 years ago

Mannnnnnn. I know you guys are smarter than me and you check this work with people in the game, so I don’t doubt your work. I just have such a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that the Rays would be giving a big ol’ middle finger to the Rockies or the Cleveland baseball team if they asked for Franco in exchange for Marquez or Bieber. And not just because they’re cheap. I may just have had far too much wander kool aid.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Is it no longer NSTAAPP, but no such thing as a predictable pitcher? I don’t have an answer, but…. if you don’t know if a pitcher is going to maintain whatever it is they do from year to year, and you don’t know if your institutional structure will break them, that introduces a ton of uncertainty about the value of another team’s pitchers. Coupled with the idea that internally at least you have guys in the minors who you think are going to break through in your system, and your system won’t break them, and that any time one of them is going to be a 3-4 WAR player with a ton of volatility, there’s not a ton of value in trading for other people’s pitchers. It might even be generally value destructive

Matt
7 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

It’s not so much that the Rays would do the deal, but I have a hard time imagining if you gave every team in the league the option of either Bieber/Marquez vs Franco, that more would take the arm.

Jon
7 years ago
Reply to  Matt

I dunno. Seems hard to believe that the majority of teams would pass on the guy who so far seems like the best prospect any of us has seen (Trout included) based on age, pedigree, and minor league numbers.

CC AFCMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Too late to edit, so to clarify, I meant “wouldn’t,” as in, I would expect the Rays to prefer Wander. I think that came through despite the typo. Wander seems like a dead mortal lock to be Machado or Correa level valuable for his early career. I will now bookmark this page so I can laugh/cry at my over exuberance in 5 years.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

just leaving this here no reason
https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=10047&position=1B/OF

(NOTE THIS IS ABSOLUTE WCS RIGHT? AND IF SO, NOT TOO BAD)

CC AFCMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

Yeah, I mean, franco’s numbers crush Myers in the minors if you believe in k% being important at that level (I do). He also smokes Myers on defensive value.

Vlad Jr. seems like a relevant cautionary tale insofar as you can make the point that it doesn’t always come together perfectly at first. Dansby Swanson might be a more relevant positional comp as someone who didn’t get there right away. On the really scary front, I suppose Amed Rosario is a real worst case, i.e. suddenly forgets how to field position and scuffles at the plate for several years.

I’m pretty sure wander is a deity in person form though, a la Alannis Morrissette in “Dogma,” though.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

if I’m going to keep throwing out god tier prospects of questionable relevance who just couldn’t figure it our at the major league level despite destroying everything up to that point (YMMV for destroying) it would be Dustin Ackley, who was basically Paul Molitor through the minors and….. not that in MLB.

The worst top prospect is the one that gets broken by something that’s in the MLB but not the minors. You could kind of figure out what happened with Rosario. I still kind of struggle with Ackley

jdbolickMember since 2024
7 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

If you go back and look at Ackley’s minor league numbers it’s hard to understand why he was so highly regarded as a prospect to begin with. That junior year at Carolina is the only time he ever looked like a power hitter, otherwise you were talking about a doubles hitter with plus but not elite contact skills who couldn’t hit left-handed pitching. With no elite athleticism or defensive value to round out that profile, Craig Counsell was Ackley’s best case scenario all along.

evo34Member since 2023
7 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

Ackley was never great in the high minors. Good but not great.

I’ll give you that it is odd to see a player fully flame out without ever posting even partial season with a K% > 20%, while possessing at least some power.

@jdbolick His R/L splits were totally normal.

rustydudeMember since 2021
7 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Prior to using Vladito in comparing any top prospect’s career start, you should compare his triple slash against Trout’s in 2011. Hint: they’re the exact same. Trout in 2011 was only 7 months younger than Vlad is today.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

I think the real story is the contract situation. Franco is just so dang cheap with so many years of control, that even if you think that Franco is going to wind up producing less value than Marquez or Bieber per year he’s still “worth” more. And I’m pretty high on Franco, so I actually think Franco probably deserves to be up on the next list, although maybe only by 5-7 spots or so.

BradMember since 2024
7 years ago

So (unless I’m wrong here), 18 of the top 20 will be returners, which leaves 2 spots for either (I’m guessing) Bogaerts, Moncada, or K Marte. Which means one won’t make it.

Doesn’t it seem weird that one of these three won’t even be an honorable mention? All three are 26 or under and controlled for years with WAR/600 this year of over 6

james123Member since 2024
7 years ago
Reply to  Brad

Marte is on it without a doubt, and I’d be surprised if Bogaerts isn’t as well. I assume that leaves Moncada to be left off, and yea it’s kinda shocking that he hasn’t been mentioned at all.

Rational FanMember since 2025
7 years ago
Reply to  james123

I said this in the other piece, but Yoan was being considered as the 30th pick in the franchise draft. There’s no chance if he was considered at that spot in that draft that he isn’t in the trade value rankings given his salary and control.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  Rational Fan

There have been a lot of weird inconsistencies between that list and this one, and the more I think about it I believe that the industry isn’t thinking enough about what a player is going to be doing 3-4 years from now, which is why we have Kris Bryant (who won’t even be controlled at that point) ahead of Pete Alonso (who will probably still be mashing for the Mets).

MikeSMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  james123

Maybe Bogaerts gets left off because he is due $120M from 2020-25? I mean, he will probably outearn that contract but Moncada doesn’t even hit arbitration till 2021.

Even though all three are “under 26,” Moncada is the youngest of the three by more than a year and a half.

Like I said yesterday, ZIPS doesn’t like Moncada so much. Three year projections:
Bogaerts: 12.3 WAR
Marte: 8.8 WAR
Moncada: 7.2 WAR

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

But not even an honorable mention? I have always been skeptical of Moncada, so I’d probably put him around #35-#40, but for him to not even get an honorable mention would be crazy.

Rational FanMember since 2025
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Me and you have had our Moncada differences in the past – I always understood your point that his tools did not match his production as a MiLB kid – but now that he has paired production with those tools already it leads one to dream really big. He’s been a very very good 3rd baseman despite limited reps state side and his plan of attack utilizes his skill set so much better than the overly patient profile he pushed before. As he becomes more comfortable I think you’ll see further k-rate improvements and real time growth with his walk rate.

It is so rare to pair elite speed with elite contact strength… and pairing that with an even spray chart makes it even more exciting. Moncada could realistically be a 5+ WAR player for the next 7 years with a elite level WAR ceiling. He put it all together faster than I thought – I always thought it would be a learning process but man the knowledge and adjustments that kid made in one off season are incredible and he’s only gotten better as the year has gone on.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  Rational Fan

So I think the biggest difference between now and before is that if this ball is here to stay, he’s going to get a big boost because he has always hit the ball really, really hard but not over the fences. He doesn’t have the optimal swing for home runs, so this gives him a chance to regularly run a high BABIP, especially when paired with his elite speed. The increased aggression at the plate really helps with this, too.

Him having a probable permanent defensive home at 3rd will help too, but my concerns about the stability of a profile that relies on running a high BABIP with lots of strikeouts remains. I think that in terms of overall value we’ll eventually put him a little higher than as Adalberto Mondesi (who, FWIW, I think was a little too low on this list). In both cases I suspect there are going to be seasons where they perform like 5+ win franchise players and others where they’re just average.

Rational FanMember since 2025
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yeah, until he does it for a full year or two I think he could still revert at times.. but to be fair his shortest homer this year is 361 feet. His Homer’s arent really cheap or ball aided I don’t think. His expected BABIP is around 365, no? His BABIP is a bit high but seems sustainable with his profile.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  Rational Fan

Honestly I have no idea what is a sustainable BABIP anymore. I used to think that .365 BABIP was completely unsustainable, and it probably still is, but the sheer number of players running absurd BABIPs right now is making me think that the ball is rewarding a certain type of player a lot.

I think the only reason why the league-wide BABIP hasn’t risen (as Tung Twista pointed out yesterday) is that so many more players are hitting balls in the air that it’s balancing out the high-BABIP guys. This is actually testable if you look at the distribution of BABIPs through mid-July last year and compare it to this one.

OtterMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

If this ball isn’t here to stay, a most guys are screwed, including a number of the guys on this list.

MikeSMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I agree. I’m just trying to figure out what the rational would be and I can’t really find much beyond “he strikes out a lot, he was ‘only’ worth 2.0 WAR in his first full season, and Zips doesn’t think he is much better than that.” I don’t think those are compelling reasons to leave him off especially when he is 24, has already cut down his K’s substantially, is probably going to be worth at least double the WAR this year, has laready outperformed his 2019 ZIPS projection by the All Star break, and is cost controlled for a long time.

I mean, among players who are currently active, his 6.5 career WAR through age 24 puts him 44th among hitters and most of the guys in the top 50 are guys you really would have wanted to have on your team for the next 5 years, or are on this list here.

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2019&month=0&season1=1871&ind=0&team=0&rost=1&age=14,24&filter=&players=0&startdate=&enddate=&page=1_50

Mahoney
7 years ago
Reply to  james123

How many guys on this list would the White Sox refuse to trade Moncada for, straight up?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

I think you were asking a rhetorical question, but here’s my answer: The White Sox should absolutely trade Moncada for (and this is only for guys who have four or more years of control; otherwise I don’t think they would consider it):
Bieber
Franco
deJong
Paddack
Alonso
McNeil
Nola
Marquez (that requires some projection about what he would look like without playing half his games in Coors, but I think it’s safe to say his profile would play even better outside of Coors).

And I think they’d also give some strong consideration to Polanco, Kepler, Senzel, Woodruff, and Soroka.

Rational FanMember since 2025
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I wouldnt trade moncada for any pitchers
Jeff mcneil? Come on. Love mcneil but the sox would be dumb to move him for that kind of piece

ShauncoreMember since 2019
7 years ago
Reply to  Brad

I keep expecting to see Devers name. He was 48th last year and has only gotten better, so I’m assuming he’s moved up significantly and is amongst the 18 returners.

carterMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  Brad

I’m thinking one of the 18 will be left off, no clue who however

Jack Glasscock's Cup
7 years ago
Reply to  Brad

I think Ramirez, Bryant, Correa, Turner and Freeman were all top 20 last year and have already appeared lower in this year’s list. They will probably be replaced by Bellinger, Tatis, Bogaerts, Moncada and Marte. And Severino, Kluber and Benintendi are not on this year’s list. Who takes their spots?. . . is that right? 8 new members in the top 20?

frazier15n
7 years ago

I don’t believe Paul DeJong could be traded for anyone in the top 50.

The idea that he’s a better trade piece than Javy Baez or Pete Alonso or Luis Castillo seems, at best, spurious.

JimmyMember since 2019
7 years ago
Reply to  frazier15n

2 years of Javy would be worth more than 2 of DeJong, but it’s not surprising at all that 5 years of DeJong is worth more than 2 of Javy. Particularly when he’s on such a team friendly deal.

seprotzmann
7 years ago

So Chris Sale doesn’t make this list at all, but an older, less controlled, projected worse, and similarly expensive pitcher in Degrom clocks in at 24? Seems like they should be right next to each other, not 30+ spots apart.

FrancoLuvHateMets
7 years ago
Reply to  seprotzmann

Degrom is a lot cheaper AAV, and I’m not sure having a longer term deal for a 30+ year old pitcher is a good thing.

seprotzmann
7 years ago

Degrom is 9 months older than Sale, they are both due $90M cash the next 3 years, Degrom payroll hits are higher over that time frame, they both have opt-outs after 2022, and if neither opts out Sale’s AAV goes down whereas Degrom’s goes up. The contracts are very similar but slanted in Sale’s direction, he’s younger, and projected to be a better pitcher over the next 3 years.

tung_twista
7 years ago
Reply to  seprotzmann

From the team’s perspective, in the worst case scenario, they pay deGrom $84M for four years, but have to pay Sale $145M for five years. That is a big difference.
Big picture, I do think that there is some recency bias about deGrom’s performance.

seprotzmann
7 years ago
Reply to  tung_twista

Not sure where that $84M number comes from, it’s $85 during the contract with another $52 deferred into the 2030’s. The luxury tax salary is still $27.5×4=$110M over the life of the deal.
Either way, the whole point is he has a very similar contract to Sale, is older, and is projected for worse performance so one being top 25 and the other not making top 50 seems to be a massive recency bias overreaction.

FrancoLuvHateMets
7 years ago
Reply to  seprotzmann

The luxury tax calc is only applicable to 3 or 4 teams. The other 26 teams just want to know how much they are actually paying a guy.

JimmyMember since 2019
7 years ago
Reply to  seprotzmann

For pitchers I’d look at innings just as much as age. Including the minors Sale is over 300 more innings in his arm.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
7 years ago

So I guess this is where the Wander Franco placement arguments begin. To me, just up front, this seems like a really appropriate placement. I actually thought he would be higher than this, and probably didn’t “deserve” to be. I personally think it’s hard to say whether the size of the error bar on his potential outcomes pushes him much further up the list.

Speaking of base rates, I’m curious as to what his comps in terms of grading are, both in terms of successes and failures. It’s not the same position, but people talk about him like they talk about Andruw Jones and Wil Meyers. It’s worth trading the farm for him because prospects projecting his 1% outcome level are extremely rare, but what is his modal outcome worth, and who does that look like?

Also, maybe things have changed, but the Rays WILL sit on a position prospect in AAA for much longer than they need to. They even do it for pitchers (IIRC David Price had half a year in AAA Durham and Hellickson had two full years which was totally unnecessary).

Cheeknbut
7 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

Edit: nvm

dukewinslowMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  Cheeknbut

generational talents who people argued, pretty effectively IMO, could have reasonable skipped levels and contributed to playoff teams immediately.

the question is, what’s the modal comparison? And would you rather trade for the Mode or the extreme value?

tung_twista
7 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

Sorry to be pedantic, but when you are talking about modal outcome for prospects, the most likely one will almost always be [0,x] WAR regardless of how you choose the bin size. That is why projections use the median.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  tung_twista

I guess, though I’m talking about reasonable priors here so I use mode instead of median (typically in an environment involving shrinkage…. the median is not a great idea- any other case, I prefer median to mean. And relative performance compared to priors is DEFINITELY a case where you want to talk about shrinkage) . Is the mode of 60 (edit: 70)FV prospects really zero WAR?

dl80Member since 2026
7 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

The mode probably is 0 for them because there are only a couple a year, at most. So say there are 40 from 1980-2000. Likely 5 or more end up with 0.0 while it’s unlikely that more than 2-3 of the rest had identical WAR.

So a theoretical shorter list could be:

0.0
0.0
0.0
1.1
5.8
6.8
13.3
17.8
21.5
35.3
38.1

The mode would still be 0, which is why median is better in this case.

carterMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

I agree with the timetable they said for him getting called up. I remember getting downvoted a few days ago when I said he will almost surely play 100+ games in the MLB next year. I know that Tampa has a history of penny-pinching and sitting on prospects, but I do not think it will happen here. Teams have had success lately moving guys up a lot quicker than they would of 5+ years ago, despite Tampa being an innovator in most regards, they too can learn from other teams, especially when it falls in there contending window.

shaq_diesel
7 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

It’s a different Rays regime then than it is now. Brandon Lowe started 2017 in A+ and finished 2018 in the MLB. Jose Alvarado skipped AAA altogether. Nate Lowe started last year in A+ and made his MLB debut a little over a year later. The Neander/Bloom regime is less conservative with their prospects than the Friedman regime was. 3 levels in 1 year happens fairly routinely now.

Baseball Anagrams
7 years ago

2019 Anagram Value: #30 to #21

#30 Crisp Haddack
#29 Alpon Judge
#28 Jello Yoga
#27 True Ranter
#26 Sore Sore Jib
#25 Skirty Barn
#24 Major Bed Cog
#23 Car Far Wonder
#22 Queer Marz G-Man
#21 Brie Banshee

OddBall Herrera
7 years ago

Is the industry in general that sold on Berrios? He has the ERA of a frontline starter but his numbers don’t suggest he’s actually pitching like one, and a guy who is ultimately floating between a 3.8 and 4 ERA isn’t exactly what you’re after in an ace.

Uncle SpikeMember since 2020
7 years ago

I’ll take 5 years of Paddack over 3 years of Berrios in a heartbeat.

ScoreboardMember since 2016
7 years ago

I’m still incredulous about Joey Gallo.

@Kiley – what do you think his BABIP will be next year?

diminishedsixthsense
7 years ago
Reply to  Scoreboard

i mean he’s turned into an above average CF, very little reason to be incredulous unless you think he’s a <120 wRC+ hitter

evo34Member since 2023
7 years ago
Reply to  Scoreboard

Prob around 0.290, which is plenty to make him a very good hitter.

Mahoney
7 years ago
Reply to  evo34

Agreed. Heck, I might even take the over vs. .290 for the BABIP. If you take a look at Chris Davis’s career, he had a BABIP well over .300 in the years where he was Crushing the ball, and way below .300 in the seasons where he wasn’t. Better barrel% benefits big bashers’ BABIP, so if Gallo has found himself there’s no reason to suspect much of his BABIP improvement is real.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago

I’m going to go way out on a limb and say that Franco is too low. Not by that much–probably in between 5 and 10 spots, because the risk is high–but the guy is spectacular and the fact that his service clock hasn’t even started yet is a huge advantage in terms of surplus value.

On the other hand I’m thinking there isn’t a lot to separate Freeman from Bryant based on the criteria here. Freeman costs more next year, but that last year of arbitration for Bryant is going to be earth-shattering and the total cost difference between them isn’t going to be that great. Bryant is younger, but it’s only two years of team control we’re talking about here so the ZiPs projections are nearly identical. Bryant should be ahead of Freeman, but maybe not by that much.

tung_twista
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

There is something weird about Freeman’s ZiPS projection.
On the website, ZiPS projects Freeman for 4.4/3.7 in 2020/2021.
Considering his first half has been more or less what we expected, it is odd that his 2021 projection jumped by almost a whole WAR.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  tung_twista

his WAR this year is weird because his defensive numbers this year, at least in terms of UZR, are really bad (-11.4 this year as opposed to -4.3 last year). However that appears to be anomalous. ZiPS might be pricing the defense as a blip/due for regression.

tung_twista
7 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

Yeah, but Freeman hitting wrc+ 144, while slightly better than projected, shouldn’t move the needle that much, either. Even if we fully regress his defense to being average, he stands at 3.1 war instead of 2.7. Again, good, but hardly surprising and not too far off from his preseason ZiPS projection of 4.6.

ShauncoreMember since 2019
7 years ago
Reply to  tung_twista

I wonder if the player page 3-year projections are from the pre-season run of ZiPS, and maybe Dan ran a fresh full run of ZiPS for this series.

*EDIT*

Yep they are pre-season

“The three-year projections are start-of-season projections. There’s currently no mechanism to update future projections the same way the in-season projections are calculated. The year-to-year model that ZiPS uses is much more robust than the in-season model and I am not smart enough to have figured out an automatic workaround yet.”

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/instagraphs/zips-update-three-year-projections/

Probably due to defense and maybe since Freeman had a .378 wOBA last year and was projected for .383 this year, but is actually at .396, that could provide a higher start point?

Goms
7 years ago

Marquez feels like a guy who might not make this list next year

dukewinslowMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  Goms

given where they sit in the pecking order of the West (though, hey, they’re only 3 games out of the wild card), the Rockies should ensure that he doesn’t make the list by trading him.

For whatever reason, as everyone here has discussed forever, they way overvalue people. I can’t imagine what they think Marquez is worth. If he gets traded, and I think he should, I’d be stunned

emh1969
7 years ago

I wonder if Bieber is the fastest riser ever in these rankings. He started last year, not listed on a single top 100 prospect chart. And yet here he is, roughly 15-18 months later, listed as the 21st most valuable trade property in baseball…

dukewinslowMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  emh1969

Looking back, Trout went from off the list (2010) to 21 (2011) to #1 in 2012

edit: 81st prospect in 2010

emh1969
7 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

Except Trout was a top 100 prospect. Bieber wasn’t even close to that level. So on that basis, I’d say that Bieber rose a lot faster.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  emh1969

So I think technically you’re correct, but Trout’s #1 ranking was something like the best #1 in the history of these lists. If you think of it that way–that his true ranking was censored by the fact that we couldn’t measure anything higher than #1–then Trout really does deserve that honor.

WerthlessMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  emh1969

Jose Ramirez made quite a jump, too.

emh1969
7 years ago
Reply to  Werthless

Yeah, he’s the other one that comes to mind. He started 2016 as a utlity player because that’s how the Indians saw him. But he kept hitting, so he moved into the starting lineup and finished 17th in the MVP race. Next year, he was even better, helping him reach #15 on the 2017 trade value list.

weekapaug09
7 years ago
Reply to  emh1969

Jose Bautista went from not on the list or HM (2010) to number two in 2011. Not the same debut-then-explode trajectory but he definitely rose quickly.

NATS FanMember since 2018
7 years ago
Reply to  emh1969

Every Bieber I’ve heard of has climbed the success ladder faster than I expected!

dl80Member since 2026
7 years ago
Reply to  emh1969

How far did Jose Ramirez jump after 2016?

carterMember since 2020
7 years ago

Regarding Paddack, didn’t they option him as not to have service time come into play? Assuming they will option him again once his innings get close barring a playoff push..right?

PhilMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  carter

He didn’t play at all when he was optioned, so it did seem very much like rest.

If that happens again, which just happens so he doesn’t get a full year of service time, then the union should be all over that.

Pirates HurdlesMember since 2024
7 years ago
Reply to  Phil

I think there is a rule to prevent service time shenanigans like this. Its why he likely accepted the “rest” demotion rather than an IL stint (ie. he gets service time either way). I did find a 20 day rule regarding option years, that might be it, but I cant quite find it.

roydjtMember since 2018
6 years ago
Reply to  carter

The Padres started Fernando Tatis Jr. on opening day, a decision that would cost the team roughly $50M down the road if they just walked the arbitration path. I don’t think this organization puts a ton of weight on service clock manipulation. The option had everything to do with getting some extended rest in the middle of the year to stretch him out as late into the season as they can.

LongTimeFan
7 years ago

These projections might work if we have robotic control of human beings and market forces and could just click a button for a particular outcome at will.

MoateMember since 2022
7 years ago
Reply to  LongTimeFan

What’s your chart and analysis look like there tiger?

London Yank
7 years ago

I am interested in how recency bias affects people’s thinking on these things. Yesterday I plotted change in performance from 2018 to 2019 for each of these players. Today I have done the same thing, however this time I have also calculated a “luck index”. The luck index is basically computed from a player’s difference in BABIP relative to league average. Hitters get a positive luck index when their BABIP exceeds the league average, and pitchers get a positive luck index when their BABIP against is lower than the league average. I then calculated the change in luck between 2018 and 2019. Here is the plot:

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You’ll notice that Joey Gallo has the biggest increase in performance, but also the biggest increase in luck. In fact Gallo has had the second most positive increase in luck in all of baseball by my metric. I would say buyer beware for Joey Gallo.

Also poor Jose Ramirez again. He’s still got the biggest negative change in performance, but he has had only slightly worse luck this year than last.

London Yank
7 years ago
Reply to  London Yank

The outlier way on the left of the luck change histogram is Derek Dietrich. I had a look at his player page and he actually looks quite interesting. He might be a player who is ready to really break out.

He’s been the most unlucky player in terms of BABIP change. In 2018 his BABIP was 0.336, which is a bit above his career average of 0.298. This year his BABIP has crated to 0.194! Yet despite this BABIP he is actually performing better this year than last thanks to an improved walk rate (5.3% to 9.1%), and thanks to greatly increased power (ISO increase from .156 to .321).

If the power and plate discipline changes are real, and if his BABIP returns to career average, you are looking at a real offensive performer. He might be a potential steal for a savvy GM.

OtterMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  London Yank

RE: Dietrich, a 17.1 % infield fly ball rate will kill your babip.

ScottyBMember since 2017
7 years ago
Reply to  London Yank

Awesome! This would make a great Fangraphs community post!

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
7 years ago
Reply to  London Yank

Max Scherzer. Both unluckier AND better. What a beast.

London Yank
7 years ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

One thing worth noting is that most balls in play are not included in fWAR which my performance change is based on. So it is not unexpected that a pitcher be more unlucky and still perform better here. Indeed, I checked and there is no relationship for pitchers between the change in their performance and the change in their luck, thus, probably 50% of pitchers show the same pattern as Scherzer. This is a bit of a quirk in the inconsistency of the FanGraphs philosophy of trying to take luck out of the evaluation of pitching performance, but not trying to do the same for hitting performance.

For comparison, change in luck explains 27% of the variation in change in performance for hitters. This is not unexpected because single, doubles, triples, and putouts all affect a hitter’s fWAR.

JimMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  London Yank

Good grief, London Yank. The above is really special. What do you do there?

PigsEyePaulMember since 2026
7 years ago
Reply to  London Yank

This is so cool.

evo34Member since 2023
7 years ago
Reply to  London Yank

No one thinks Gallo will continue to have a 0.267 average. But he doesn’t need to in order to generate a ton of value.

Mahoney
7 years ago
Reply to  evo34

Amen.

In fact, the ZiPS projections run at the beginning of the season show Gallo’s next 3 years with an average just over .210 and a BABIP just over .270, leading to an annual WAR just under 3.

Now, take a look at the ROS projections from ZiPS and the others (Steamer and THE BAT). These all buy into Gallo’s BABIP improving to about .290, giving him about a .230 batting average. That would put him to roughly 4 WAR per 140 games, which is pretty valuable at arbitration-level salaries.

dl80Member since 2026
7 years ago
Reply to  evo34

We’ll, Gallo probably does!

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago

Wait, does this mean that Blake Snell is going to be ranked higher than Bieber, Nola, and Marquez? I just don’t buy that. Snell had a really good year in 2018, but Nola’s was arguably better and I’d take all of these guys over Snell going forward.

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

any particular reason why? i would probably take snell over all of them, personally

cubsker
7 years ago

DeJong has been awful since May 1.

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
7 years ago
Reply to  cubsker

de jong does seem out of place here to me too

b0ndsj0ns
7 years ago

So the guessing game is gonna be which highway robbery Braves extension is gonna be #1 Acuna or Albies?

dukewinslowMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  b0ndsj0ns

inshallah 2020 20 game winner, 2.00 FIP, 10 WAR Kyle Wright

(it’s gonna be Acuna right? Albies is great but he’s dominated by too many other players, even at that contract)

TKDCMember since 2016
7 years ago

Lance Lynn I guess didn’t really fit a category for honorable mention, but he has been way better the last two seasons than all the 3.5-4.5 pitchers listed and at $10 mil per year is not really a financial risk. I’d probably take him over that whole list. To me, he should be in the “first five out.”

jdbolickMember since 2024
7 years ago

As the resident cheerleader for Wander Franco, I’m glad to see that this comments section is a lot more Wander-friendly than the franchise column. I understand and agree with the sentiment that the top of this trade value list is stronger than it was a year ago, yet Franco at #23 is still far too low. It cannot be understated how well pitch recognition and contact skills translate to success at higher levels. A lot of prospects develop hype by crushing low minors pitching, but the ability to discern between balls and strikes sticks with a batter as they move up. The ability to make contact on 90%+ of pitches within the strike zone sticks with a batter as they move up. Those skills have far less volatility and uncertainty than hits and power, which is why I am so bullish on Wander Franco. He has elite pitch recognition and contact to go along with plus power, plus speed, and the ability to handle shortstop. Somewhat lost in his absolutely ridiculous offensive numbers this season is that he has made genuine improvement defensively, to the point that I don’t think anyone still questions whether or not he will be capable of handling shortstop at the major league level. So we’re talking about a Mookie Betts type offensive profile from a guy playing shortstop. I get that he’s only 18 and I get that he hasn’t played above High-A, but I feel far more comfortable with his skill set than I do with someone like Fernando Tatis Jr.

Mahoney
7 years ago
Reply to  jdbolick

He’s a hitting prodigy much like Adrian Beltre was at a similar age. Might even be as good (dare I say it) as ARod…in short, he has yet to give a reason to put a ceiling on his upside. Could easily be #1 on next year’s list.

evo34Member since 2023
7 years ago

I’d like to hear more about how the “scarcity” of elite hitters makes Bryant more valuable than a WAR/$ could capture.

First, is the scarcity even real? It seems to me have more stud (or soon to be stud) young hitters than we have in a long (yes, I’m adjusting for run environment). There are a fair number of players clustered around his wRC+ of 148 this season, which makes me think he is not a player one needs to make exceptions for when assessing value.

MarioLopez
7 years ago
Reply to  evo34

I think you’re underselling Bryant’s consistency and all around game by clustering him with some of those other guys. Since he debuted he’s never had a sub-6 WAR season when he was healthy and he is currently on pace to surpass that threshold for the 4th time this season. If he hits that figure this season here will be the list of players to hit that threshold 4 times since 2015:

Mike Trout
Kris Bryant

E L
7 years ago

Bryant didn’t have a “down season” last year, he had a season in which he was off to a career best .305 / .427 / .583 169 wRC+ start and then jammed his shoulder into a base on a slide on May 19th. He had generated 1.9 fWAR in 185 PAs at that point.

The rest of the season he was a 96 wRC+ hitter due to the shoulder injury that sapped his power, repeatedly sent him to the DL and made him change his swing.

Since he came back from the offseason none the worse for wear, that four month stretch should have zero impact on his trade value unless GMs believe the injury will recur for some reasons. The ZIPS projections are thus probably under-weighing his value.

dl80Member since 2026
7 years ago
Reply to  E L

It’s still a down year, regardless of the reason.

E L
6 years ago
Reply to  dl80

The reason matters. A lot.

Bryant’s projection for 2020 and 2021 was +5.6 and +5.2 last year and was revised down to +4.7 and +4.3. If that downwards revision was incorrect (incidentally, he’s going to hit or exceed the 5.8 projected), then his trade value should reflect an additional two wins worth of player.

Mike Green
7 years ago

I am sure there is a reason for using 5 years rather than 6, but it’s not obvious to me. Wander Franco’s 2025 Arb 3 (presumably a projected 6 WAR season) would be of significance for trade value purposes.