2022 Trade Value: #31 to #40

Design by Luke Hooper

As is tradition at FanGraphs, we’re using the lead-up to next week’s trade deadline to take stock of the top 50 players in baseball by trade value. For a more detailed introduction to this year’s exercise, as well as a look at the players who fell just short of the top 50, be sure to read the Introduction and Honorable Mentions piece, which can be found in the widget above.

For those of you who have been reading the Trade Value Series the last few seasons, the format should look familiar. For every player, you’ll see a table with the player’s projected five-year WAR from 2023-2027, courtesy of Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections. The table will also include the player’s guaranteed money, if any, the year through which their team has contractual control of them, last year’s rank (if applicable), and then projections, contract status, and age for each individual season through 2027, if the player is under contract or team control for those seasons. Last year’s rank includes a link to the relevant 2021 post. Thanks are due to Sean Dolinar for his help in creating the tables in these posts. At the bottom of the page, there is a grid showing all of the players who have been ranked up to this point.

One note on the rankings: particularly at the bottom of the list, there isn’t a lot of room between the players. The ordinal rankings clearly matter, and we put them there for a reason, but there’s not much of a gap between, say, the 35th ranked player and 50th. The magnitude of differences in this part of the list is quite small. Several folks I talked to might prefer a player in the honorable mentions section to one on the back end of the list, or vice versa. I think the broad strokes are correct — but with so many players carrying roughly equivalent value, disagreements abounded.

With that out of the way, let’s get to the next batch of players.

Five-Year WAR +11.3
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2026
Previous Rank HM
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2023 25 +2.2 Pre-Arb
2024 26 +2.4 Arb 1
2025 27 +2.5 Arb 2
2026 28 +2.2 Arb 3
Pre-Arb
Arb

Getting Chisholm-level power out of a second baseman is almost unheard of. There are recent examples of second basemen with 30-homer thump – Robinson Canó, Dan Uggla, Jose Altuve, and Brian Dozier, for instance – but it’s more exception than rule, and often comes with defensive limitations. Chisholm has no such problem; he’s a converted shortstop who looks like an asset in the field when playing second. He’s also more than just a power bat. He’s made strides with pitch selection in his third year in the majors. If he maintains his current performance – or even improves on it, which is certainly on the table – he could be the best second baseman in baseball.

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Why the low ranking, then? Trade value is heavily influenced by availability, and Chisholm’s recent injury is bound to give teams pause. A stress fracture in his back will cost him at least six weeks of playing time, and his return to the field is anything but certain. Back injuries often linger, which makes anticipating Chisholm’s future production difficult at best. And it’s not as though he’s a proven veteran, either: coming into this year, he had a career 94 wRC+ over less than 600 plate appearances in the majors.

In a year, Chisholm might have established himself as one of the best players in the game, making this ranking look foolish in retrospect. He might also have only played intermittently, or produced at an average clip at the plate instead of like his current form. The balance of risks is acceptable given how long he’s under team control and how good he is at his best, but make no mistake, there are risks here. For the record, I had Chisholm roughly five spots higher in the rankings before the back injury news.

Five-Year WAR +15.5
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2025
Previous Rank
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2023 27 +3.3 Arb 1
2024 28 +3.3 Arb 2
2025 29 +3.2 Arb 3
Arb

If you think Cease should be 10 spots higher, you’re in good company. If you think he should be an honorable mention, I disagree with you, but you’re also in good company. Long one of the hardest-throwing starters in the game, Cease has harnessed his tremendous natural gift for speed and spin over the past two years, and it shows in his results.

Since 2020, when he was replacement level and barely struck anyone out, Cease has added two inches of ride to his four-seam fastball. He’s done it by changing his grip on the ball to convert more of his enviable natural spin into movement. Perhaps more importantly, he’s also pared back on fastballs – dominant as his is, it’s still a fastball – in favor of his lights-out slider. He’s basically throwing reliever-ish stuff – upper-90s fastball, upper-80s slider with bite – over starter innings, which should tell you everything you need to know about his 2022 season. He’s walking too many batters, but he’s also striking out so many that it’s merely a rounding error.

Why is he this low? It’s a function of two things: the inherent uncertainty in his profile and the inherent uncertainty in all pitchers. There are only 12 pitchers in the top 50 altogether, and they’re all either Cy Young contenders or under team control for a long time. Starters throw fewer innings these days – dominant as he’s been, Cease is only averaging 5.5 innings per start – and they break all the time. Cease would absolutely command a haul in trade, but maybe less than you think.

Five-Year WAR +12.7
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2028
Previous Rank
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2023 24 +2.4 Pre-Arb
2024 25 +2.6 Pre-Arb
2025 26 +2.7 Pre-Arb
2026 27 +2.6 Arb 1
2027 28 +2.4 Arb 2
Pre-Arb
Arb

This is pretty far down the list for someone with a real chance to one day be the best player in baseball. That’s not light praise; when Cruz is at his best, there’s simply no one else like him. This type of raw power at shortstop is unheard of because 6-foot-7 shortstops are unheard of. Watch him connect flush with a baseball, and you’ll re-evaluate what the ideal baseball player looks like. His batted ball quality is otherworldly; even as Cruz struggles to adjust to major league pitching, he’s comfortably in the top 10% of the league when it comes to barrel rate, and he’s putting the ball in the air well enough to take advantage of that power.

He’s also striking out more than a third of the time, getting on base at a woeful clip (.241 OBP), and might not stick at short. That’s been the story with Cruz since his time as a Dodgers farmhand; he’s trying to chart a course that no previous player has taken. Part of the equation probably won’t work out. He’ll end up playing a corner position, or his Judge-ian frame will lead to a strikeout bill that his power can’t pay, or injuries will sap some of his tremendous talent. Prospects usually don’t pan out — that’s just how it works. You can spin some scenarios where Cruz “fails” and is still a valuable contributor because he does a lot of things very well. But the error bars are, well, Cruz-sized; we just don’t have a lot of past players to compare him to. The talent explains his spot on the list. The uncertainty explains why he isn’t higher.

Five-Year WAR +13.0
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2025
Previous Rank #38
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2023 28 +3.0 Arb 1
2024 29 +2.8 Arb 2
2025 30 +2.7 Arb 3
Arb

Let’s get a few things out of the way at the top of this comment. Murphy is a solid hitter, and while recent approach changes make me think he won’t walk as frequently going forward, he has enough power that his overall line looks like an average-hitting first baseman. What would be average for a first baseman is excellent for a catcher, of course. Murphy would be a tremendous player even if he were an average defender.

Except, he’s a great defender. Of the six wins we give him credit for over the past two years, 1.5 of those come from framing alone. That gave me pause when placing him; framing feels far less sticky these days, with pop-up guys becoming great and established framing specialists declining seemingly every year. You could have made an argument for Jacob Stallings on a trade value list last year, and indeed, the Marlins traded a bunch of players to acquire him. This year? He grades out as one of the worst framers in the game. Projecting future defensive value based on this particular skill strikes me as irresponsible, and that’s before trying to time the arrival of the robo zone.

If Murphy continues to be the best defensive catcher in baseball, I’m too low on him. It’s as simple as that. But I think teams are wising up to defensive volatility, or at least, they should be after the Stallings and Austin Nola trades. Murphy is awesome, and teams will offer the A’s a ton in return for him (or already have, perhaps, since Oakland is certainly open for business). I simply think that framing is going to command less on the trade market going forward than it once did.

Five-Year WAR +20.5
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2024
Previous Rank HM
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2023 29 +4.6 Arb 3
2024 30 +4.4 Arb 4
Arb

Last year, Fried missed the top 50 entirely while former high school teammates Lucas Giolito and Jack Flaherty made appearances. But oh, how the turntables have turned. His performance has been rock solid since then, catapulting him into awards discussions, while the other two have battled injuries and inconsistency.

Fried may never strike out a ludicrous percentage of opposing batters, but he doesn’t have to. He hardly ever walks anyone, keeps the ball on the ground, and uses a newly-emphasized changeup to keep righties off balance. He’s capable of working deep into games, with six starts of more than six innings already this year. He’s durable, to boot: only a brief blister issue in 2021 has stopped him from making every one of his scheduled starts over the last four years.

The astute among you will notice that I didn’t say a single negative thing about Fried. That’s because he’s really good. There are either three or four pitchers with the same or less remaining team control who I placed higher, depending on how you treat Shohei Ohtani. All of those pitchers are really good, too. But trading for pitching, especially short-team-control pitching, is a treacherous business. One barking elbow is all that separates a pitcher, any pitcher, from a missed year. I’m not confident that I have Fried ordered correctly in that cohort of excellent pitchers, but I am confident that he’s one of the very best pitchers in baseball. Even being a pitcher and nearing free agency wouldn’t dissuade suitors if the Braves inexplicably decided to make him available in trade.

Five-Year WAR +17.8
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2024
Previous Rank #19
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2023 30 +4.1 Arb 3
2024 31 +3.8 Arb 4
Arb

Hey, one of those aforementioned Max Fried comps! Woodruff scuffled to start the year and missed a month with numbness in his extremities, but he’s been lights out since returning. His approach is simple but effective; he throws two excellent fastballs and complements them with three plus secondary pitches. Thanks to deftly mixing that five-pitch arsenal, he consistently strikes out a ton of batters, and he’s never once walked more batters than the league average thanks to solid command.

Fried has been better this year, but Woodruff’s track record is hard to argue with. Since the 2019 season, his first as a starter, he’s in the top 10 among all starters in ERA, FIP, xFIP, SIERA, and strikeout rate. He’s as close to a sure thing as a pitcher gets, or at least he would be if it weren’t for that IL stint. I think that teams will be reassured by the fact that it was neither a shoulder nor elbow injury, but it’s still a blemish on an otherwise spectacular track record. As an experiment, I switched the order of Woodruff and Fried a few times when cross-checking this list, and no one ever had a nitpick with either ordering, which suggests to me that they’re probably quite close in value. Swap them in your head if you’d like, but I think this is a reasonable landing spot for two excellent but soon-to-reach-free-agency pitchers.

Five-Year WAR +17.1
Guaranteed Dollars $6.8 M
Team Control Through 2025
Previous Rank HM
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2023 28 +3.8 $6.8 M
2024 29 +3.7 Arb 3
2025 30 +3.6 Arb 4
Arb

What, you thought I was going to leave him off the list again? Reynolds had what will almost certainly be the best season of his career in 2021, but he’s still good this year even if he’s taken a step back. Maybe we let our collective trust in the scouting community get the better of us last year; Reynolds looked vaguely bust-ish as a Giants farmhand, and his early-career success was so BABIP-driven that it was easy to miss what was going on under the hood.

As it turns out, Reynolds has a lot working in his favor. He hits the ball hard, and he hits it in the air. His speed turns balls hit to the outfield into extra-base hits. There are warning signs, no doubt. A lot of his game is built on finding pitches to hit, and he’s having a down plate discipline year. Still, even a diminished Reynolds is a solid addition to any lineup. If you’re looking for a good-hitting center fielder, it’s Reynolds, free-agent-to-be Brandon Nimmo, and a bunch of superstars locked up on long-term deals. When you put it that way, maybe Reynolds should be higher.

Except, I’m not convinced he’s a true center fielder. His instincts out there leave something to be desired, and the defensive metrics mostly agree; they were mixed on him last year and unanimously see him as one of the worst center field defenders in baseball this year. That matches the eye test. Reynolds looks like a competent corner outfielder miscast in a tough job – perhaps a left fielder, given his throwing arm. With his bat, that’s still a really nice player, and given his age and contract status, it’s not like you’re risking much.

Five-Year WAR +13.8
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2025
Previous Rank HM
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2023 28 +3.2 Arb 1
2024 29 +2.9 Arb 2
2025 30 +2.9 Arb 3
Arb

Maybe everyone should stop switch hitting. Mullins took off after abandoning his righty swing entirely, and while he’s come back down to earth this year, he’s still producing a league-average batting line while playing excellent defense and adding boatloads of value on the basepaths. I’ve seen enough at this point to say that Mullins isn’t a consistent 130 wRC+ hitter, but I’ve also seen enough to be very confident in his ability to produce a line around league average. Combine that with his other contributions, and that’s an above average player for years to come, as the ZiPS projections above make clear.

Paradoxically, Mullins might have so much trade value that the Orioles won’t trade him. He was popular in the rumor mill last year and this past offseason, but it never made that much sense to me, because he won’t be a free agent until after the 2025 season. That squarely overlaps with when the Orioles are hoping to bring a wave of minor league talent to the big leagues. Baltimore isn’t in the trade-core-major-league-pieces phase of rebuilding anymore, which probably makes this ranking theoretical. That’s true of almost every player on this list, but I thought it was worth reiterating with Mullins. He’s great – and he’ll likely be great in orange for years to come.

Five-Year WAR +12.4
Guaranteed Dollars $9.5 M
Team Control Through 2026
Previous Rank #43
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2023 27 +2.8 $3.7 M
2024 28 +2.7 $5.7 M
2025 29 +2.5 $8.0 M
2026 30 +2.3 $8.0 M
Team Option

If you catch Peralta on the right day, you’d laugh at this ranking. Only 32nd? Ridiculous! Peralta signed a spectacularly team-friendly extension years ago, which could keep him in Milwaukee through the 2026 season if the Brewers exercise both of the deal’s $8 million team options. He also has one of the best fastballs in the game. Despite middling velocity, its tremendous movement makes it one of the hardest fastballs to hit in baseball. His strikeout numbers flow naturally from that; his slider is a solid strikeout pitch as well, but the fastball does the lion’s share of the work.

Now, the downside: Peralta has only made eight starts this year, felled by a strained shoulder. He’s about to begin a rehab assignment, which is a good sign, but shoulder injuries are scary, even with today’s medical advances. Durability will likely always be a concern with Peralta, too, as he stands only 5-foot-11 and has a high-effort delivery. Even in his excellent 2021, he averaged just over five innings per start. You’re certainly getting quality when Peralta pitches, but it might happen less often than you’d like.

That’s where the contract comes into play. Let’s say you expect Peralta to be available for roughly half of his starts over the next 4.5 years, a tremendously conservative assumption. He’d still be a huge value, even if you had to go out and replace the innings he didn’t pitch with minor leaguers or journeymen. If the contract weren’t so team-friendly, or if it expired sooner, I don’t think Peralta would fit next to the names around him, but that’s not the reality. Right now, he’s in a sweet spot for teams that value cost certainty.

Five-Year WAR +16.9
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2025
Previous Rank #21
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2023 29 +4.0 Arb 1
2024 30 +3.8 Arb 2
2025 31 +3.5 Arb 3
Arb

Is it me who’s wrong to consistently put Cronenworth high on trade value lists, even as people tell me I should move him down? No, I’m sure I’m exactly right, and that it’s everyone else who must change. All kidding aside, I started with Cronenworth a bit higher and wasn’t willing to move him any lower, but I’m open to the idea that I might be overrating him somewhat.

Why? Because he gets to his considerable value in a way that just speaks to me. He walks quite a bit. He’s hard to strike out, and I expect his career-high strikeout rate will tick down because he’s still making contact at an absurd rate. He plays good defense. He’s durable, too: he’s one off the major league lead for plate appearances as I write this. He’s a great baserunner, top 10 in the league in baserunning runs. He doesn’t hit for power, or have a gaudy average, or steal a million bases, but he does basically everything else you can imagine.

Is that the kind of player who teams systematically underrate? Probably. He doesn’t have any obvious carrying tools, and it feels like the kind of profile where taking a step backwards in one or two areas could really snowball. If Cronenworth is merely an average player in 2025 (significantly worse than the ZiPS projection above), I don’t think anyone would be shocked.

But, uh… he’s not getting paid like an average player, because he hasn’t even hit salary arbitration yet. He’ll be under team control for three more years, and in every one of those years, he’s a good bet to deliver the kind of production you normally need to sign marquee free agents to get. Underrated or not, uncommon skill set or not, this is the kind of player (and the kind of contract, let’s be honest) that every team should covet.

2022 Trade Value, 31-50
Rk Pv Player Age 2023 2024 2025 2026 2027
31 21 Jake Cronenworth 28 +4.0
Arb 1
+3.8
Arb 2
+3.5
Arb 3
32 43 Freddy Peralta 26 +2.8
$3.7 M
+2.7
$5.7 M
+2.5
$8 M
+2.3
$8 M
33 HM Cedric Mullins 27 +3.2
Arb 1
+2.9
Arb 2
+2.9
Arb 3
34 HM Bryan Reynolds 27 +3.8
$6.8 M
+3.7
Arb 3
+3.6
Arb 4
35 19 Brandon Woodruff 29 +4.1
Arb 3
+3.8
Arb 4
36 HM Max Fried 28 +4.6
Arb 3
+4.4
Arb 4
37 38 Sean Murphy 27 +3.0
Arb 1
+2.8
Arb 2
+2.7
Arb 3
38 Oneil Cruz 23 +2.4
Pre-Arb
+2.6
Pre-Arb
+2.7
Pre-Arb
+2.6
Arb 1
+2.4
Arb 2
39 Dylan Cease 26 +3.3
Arb 1
+3.3
Arb 2
+3.2
Arb 3
40 HM Jazz Chisholm Jr. 24 +2.2
Pre-Arb
+2.4
Arb 1
+2.5
Arb 2
+2.2
Arb 3
41 22 Ketel Marte 28 +3.2
$11.6 M
+3.1
$13.6 M
+2.8
$16.6 M
+2.4
$16.6 M
+1.9
$14.6 M
42 Luis Arraez 25 +3.3
Arb 2
+3.2
Arb 3
+3.1
Arb 4
43 HM Pete Alonso 27 +4.2
Arb 2
+4.2
Arb 3
44 48 Luis Garcia 25 +2.3
Pre-Arb
+2.2
Arb 1
+2.2
Arb 2
+2.0
Arb 3
45 18 Zac Gallen 26 +2.8
Arb 1
+2.7
Arb 2
+2.6
Arb 3
46 Ty France 27 +3.7
Arb 1
+3.3
Arb 2
+3.3
Arb 3
47 13 Mike Trout 30 +4.9
$37.1 M
+4.5
$37.1 M
+3.9
$37.1 M
+2.9
$37.1 M
+2.2
$37.1 M
48 Riley Greene 21 +2.4
Pre-Arb
+2.9
Pre-Arb
+3.0
Pre-Arb
+3.0
Arb 1
+3.0
Arb 2
49 42 Dylan Carlson 23 +2.6
Pre-Arb
+2.5
Arb 1
+2.4
Arb 2
+2.3
Arb 3
50 32 Randy Arozarena 27 +2.3
Pre-Arb
+2.1
Arb 1
+2.0
Arb 2
+1.7
Arb 3
Pre-Arb
Arb
Team Option





Ben is a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @benclemens.

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jbgocubsMember since 2025
4 years ago

20 players in and no Julio Rodriguez – the outfielder from Seattle? Craziness

kenkenkenMember since 2021
4 years ago
Reply to  jbgocubs

He will probably be in the back half of the top ten or in the low teens

carterMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  kenkenken

I’d guess a lot higher.

Dmjn53
4 years ago
Reply to  jbgocubs

do you understand the concept of rankings?

Billsaints
4 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

Do you understand the concept of sarcasm…

Lanidrac
4 years ago
Reply to  Billsaints

How do you know it’s sarcasm? It doesn’t look like sarcasm, and if you’re going to be that over-the-top sarcastic in text, you really should specify somehow like with a [/sarcasm] tag.

Billsaints
4 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

Common sense. If you understand sarcasm, everything in that statement (the fact they point out who the player is in a fangraphs article) screams it. Mind you I am English so I see sarcasm everywhere…

Captain MoonlightMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  jbgocubs

Appreciate the clarification on which Julio Rodriguez you mean here my dude

BubbaMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  jbgocubs

You might go so far as to say there are 30 great players missing from the top 50 so far! What a debacle!

Planet DustMember since 2017
4 years ago
Reply to  jbgocubs

They are counting *down* such that players with higher values appear later.

bookbookMember since 2024
4 years ago
Reply to  jbgocubs

I hereby predict that no one will ever be able to prove Julio Rodriguez’ trade value….

RoyalsFan#14321Member since 2024
4 years ago

Wait. A high school had a rotation of Lucas Giolito, Max Fried, *and* Jack Flaherty?

Last edited 4 years ago by RoyalsFan#14321
Left of Centerfield
4 years ago

Reading about this now. Basically, Fried’s high school shut down before his senior season so Giolito recruited him by saying they could win a championship together (Flaherty was already at Giolito’s school though several years behind). Unfortunately, things didn’t work out because Giolito got hurt and missed almost his entire senior year. The team ended up losing in the second round of the playoffs.

Left of Centerfield
4 years ago

BTW, this isn’t some ordinary high school. The list of famous people who have attended Harvard Westlake includes the following:

Candice Bergen
Jessica Capshaw
Lily Collins (Phil’s daughter)
Jamie Lee Curtis
Gray Davis
Emily Deschanel
Bridget Fonda
Jean Paul Getty
Jake and Maggie Gyllenhaal
H.R. Haldeman
Mark Harmon
Billie Lourd (daughter of Carrie Fisher)
Jon Lovitz
Julia Montgomery
Ethan Peck (grandson of Gregory)
Elvis Perkins (son of Anthony)
Jason Reitman
Sally Ride
Jason Segal
Tori Spelling
Shirley Temple

Trust me, that’s just a portion of the famous former students who attended the same high school as Giolito, Fried, and Flaherty.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago

Thinking the same thing.

nickolai
4 years ago

Don’t forget about the Collins twins, Jason and Jarron, who made it to the NBA.

mr. N
4 years ago

you had me at jamie lee curtis

Jason BMember since 2017
4 years ago
Reply to  mr. N

She makes a fine yogurt commercial

EltnegMember since 2020
4 years ago

Harvard-Westlake is an elite LA private school with more famous entertainment/athletics alums than most state university systems. It’s still an exceptional collection of talent, but it’s closer to “three future NBA players played on the same elite AAU team” than “three MLB pitchers grow up in same town at same time”

Last edited 4 years ago by Eltneg
diamonddores
4 years ago
Reply to  Eltneg

I work in admissions at a Western regional state university. Harvard-Westlake students who can’t get into their top choice schools are perhaps the most sought after prospective students for us and our peer institutions. Exceptional school

Last edited 4 years ago by diamonddores
JohnThackerMember since 2025
4 years ago
Reply to  diamonddores

are perhaps the most sought after prospective students for us and our peer institutions

Because they can afford to pay full fare and might donate money?

Jason BMember since 2017
4 years ago
Reply to  JohnThacker

Exceptionally full fare!

diamonddores
4 years ago
Reply to  JohnThacker

the Western Undergraduate Exchange (and our relaxed academic standards) allow most of these kids to get really solid scholarship packages. Asian students are the real full-pay prizes, although they’ve been less willing to come to school here post-Trump.

But the SoCal kids from elite high schools generally graduate, so they’re huge for the retention and enrollment management numbers

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago

I believe Flaherty didn’t overlap with Giolito and Fried, or if they did, they were seniors when he was a freshman. I believe Pete Crow-Armstrong went there too.

I have more familiarity with this high school than I would like to admit (despite not having any formal relationship with them). It is likely the fanciest, most expensive, highest achieving private school in SoCal and pretty close to the highest in the world on those things as well. Virtually everyone who goes there has unusual, shocking talents in some area. Some kids can throw a 3000 RPM curveball or play for USA soccer in their spare time, others are winning international art competitions, and some are solving calculus problems in their heads without any help.

Unsurprisingly, the vast majority of the kids come from families who are also loaded. Not all of them, but enough that it’s notable–even in LA. Between their parents’ connections and wealth and the fact that these kids tend to have unusual skills, their alumni list is similarly insane–the mayor of LA is an alum, as is a former governor of CA. So are a huge number of second generation actors (Bridget Fonda, Tori Spelling, Ben Platt, etc). I’ve run into enough people from this school by now that nothing surprises me anymore.

Mahoney
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

After seeing this, my immediate assumption was that Pete Crow-Armstrong’s parents are Sheryl Crow and Lance Armstrong (they’re not).

Also, what’s so special about solving calculus problems in your head vs those other talents?

synco
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I wouldn’t say everyone who goes there has unusual or shocking talent. There are plenty of kids whose primary reason they are there because their parents are loaded and/or famous. You definitely need to have high marks to attend, but not every kid walking around there who isn’t captaining the baseball/basketball team is an uber-level genius.

To get to Harvard-Westlake you need to be one of several things: a) have extremely wealthy parents, b) have famous parents, c) be really good at sports, and d) (this is the distant one) be super duper smart or super duper talented in another way. If you have no money, which is always the hurdle, basically you need to be able to win the school something.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  synco

Harvard-Westlake is the only school I’ve ever heard of having an IQ cutoff. Which you can get around if you have enough money, or some other bonkers talent.

but you need a LOT of money.

Jason BMember since 2017
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

“Yale COULD use an international airport, Mr. Burns.”

–Recruiter, as Mr. Burns tries to buy his never-seen-before-or-since oafish son Larry into the Ivy League

hughduffy
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Flaherty was a sophomore when Giolito and Fried were seniors at Harvard-Westlake. They overlapped – it’s why Giolito and Flaherty went to Houston to watch their friend Max Fried start Game 6 of the World Series in 2021.

MRDXolMember since 2021
4 years ago

They were also all coached there by present CHW pitching coach Ethan Katz lol

TKDCMember since 2016
4 years ago

The write-up for Reynolds further illustrates why Harris II should be on this list.

And, yes, I do realize I’m beating a dead horse.

markakis21
4 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

Absolutely. Much as I love Mullins, I’d far rather have Harris.

John Elway
4 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

OUCH!!!!!

airforce21oneMember since 2026
4 years ago

I still don’t understand why ZiPS projects so many young players to have lower WAR totals as they get close to age 27/28 seasons.

baubo
4 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

I’d wager that if you look at the aggregate of all the young players who have performed well, their production 3 years from now is less than today. As fans we have a bias because the players we see at age 27 tend to be ones that improved from when they were age 23. But the ones who never improved simply became backups or left the league.

You lose physical ability as you age and you become more susceptible to injuries. It’s the players who develop their skills and body that remain and flourish despite these other issues. And that’s not a given

airforce21oneMember since 2026
4 years ago
Reply to  baubo

But we aren’t looking at the aggregate here: theoretically, we are looking/selecting the “best” of the young players on this list.

baubo
4 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Wouldn’t the better you are as a young player, the less likely you will get better as you age? For instance, you’re 23 and already have 60 power you are probably not gaining more as you age, whereas a guy with 40 power at 23 has room for improvement.

If anything elite young players should have more risk of decline than regular young players who have more ways to improve

Joe Joe
4 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Regression to the mean. A lot of great young players overperformed their true talent early. Sophemore slumps are mostly this as slumps only apply to rookies that were great. I suspect ZiPs is just taking this to the next step as well as adding some more injury risk to subsequent
year. Most MVPs aren’t Trout and usually perform “worse” than they did as an MVP. ZiPs just isn’t going to project consistent stardom without a track record.

RoyalsFan#14321Member since 2024
4 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

I don’t think ZIPS knows which of these players are going to actually be outliers, value-wise.

joelbarlow
4 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

there just aren’t traditional aging curves anymore. maybe its increased specialization in youth sports and the increased difficulty of hitting in a high spin rate high velocity environment. also regression, etc. the odds are decent that Julio Rodriguez’s highest season WAR will be this year.

Spahn_and_Sain
3 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

It’s still an aggregate of possible outcomes, ZiPS is looking at comparable players to project those outcomes, but even from that group there are more examples of players who got injured, washed out, or simply regressed to solid, everyday players than there are examples of consistent increases.
(As with all statistical endeavors, the margin of error is important, the group of “best young players” likely has a much higher upside if the 90% projection were published alongside.)

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tung_twista
4 years ago
Reply to  baubo

As far as I know, the most widely accepted peak for MLB players is around age 27~28.
So Oneil Cruz peaking at age 26 might feel a little off but far from unreasonable. 
Carlson expecting to peak at age 23 is certainly weird, though.

https://tht.fangraphs.com/how-do-baseball-players-age-part-2/

https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/59972/the-delta-method-revisited/

mikejuntMember
4 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

One thing to keep in mind, and there’s an article about this somewhere here from a few years ago, is that while age 27 is the typical peak age in baseball history, *it’s moving forward* and has been closer to 26 or even 25 since the end of the PED era. That same piece showed that players on average don’t improve in the majors, and that they’re usually as good as they’ll be when they debut, and its merely a question of how fast or slow they decline from there.

TKDCMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

I wonder how much of this is due to survivor bias? I wonder how many prospects struggle early on for random reasons, but don’t get chances to put that behind them, while other prospects that show out early (getting their best outcomes) get to keep playing and of course will regress from there?

Considering how much skill is involved in baseball, what other sport has so many elite players that were nobodies in their early-to-mid 20s? An occasional QB will pop up late 20s like Kurt Warner. Basically never happens in NBA.

It seems almost impossible that there isn’t something else going on. Guys have to go through several years of increased level of completion to get to MLB; it doesn’t make intuitive sense that they are not likely to improve from there.

I do think there is more likelihood of this the better a player is. When a rookie is putting up 4, 5, 7 WAR, thinking that is just the beginning seems to usually turn out wrong. But struggling young players break out all of the time.

Antonio BananasMember since 2026
4 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

My guess is also how much better amateur and minor league development has gotten. The gap players gain may not be as large thus, the development curve is flatter from age 21 on.

fjtorres
4 years ago

In the old days the rookie season was “finishing school” and the best players were brought up early.
Today teams are more focused on time of control so only tbe very best come up early. Everybody else is either productive fairly quickly or they get shuttled back. Often repeatedly.
Young rookies opening the season with the big club like Tatis did are rare.

With young players it might be better to compare by years of service than calendar age.

Older players, survival bias takes over.

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Left of Centerfield
4 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

The article that I found was from Jeff Zimmerman in 2011 and says the following:

“Better players peak earlier in their careers. While the general population peaks at age 27, the group of good players peak at either 25 or 26 years old,”

TKDCMember since 2016
4 years ago

This doesn’t make sense because I peaked in high school.

Left of Centerfield
4 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

At least you had a peak. My life has been one long flat line… 🙂

hughduffy
4 years ago

That means you peaked even earlier!

NATS FanMember since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

My baseball peak happened in little league.

Left of Centerfield
4 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

I have a career .500 OBP in little league. Two plate appearances, one K, one BB. So I guess that makes me a TTO player (Two True Outcomes in my case).

FrancoeursteinMember since 2025
4 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

Mind sending a link? I have a hard time believing that players on average don’t improve in the majors.

ccjl
4 years ago

One more thing about Murphy – he has an elite posterior. Perhaps the best in baseball

Jason BMember since 2017
4 years ago
Reply to  ccjl

I feel like I need Tina Belcher to weigh in on this

FunFella13Member since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  ccjl

Cal “Big Dumper” Raleigh is in the conversation

joe_schlabotnik
4 years ago

“Why is he this low? It’s a function of two things: the inherent uncertainty in his profile and the inherent uncertainty in all pitchers. There are only 12 pitchers in the top 50 altogether, and they’re all either Cy Young contenders or under team control for a long time.”
Crazy that we’ve come to this point. I don’t disagree at all, I just have a hard time wrapping my head around pitching changing so dramatically that risk is in acquiring one is more considered than reward. I’d also say its a function of so many pitchers being so good. i’d love to see comparison of the stuff of a 100 ERA+ pitcher from 2022 to one from 1990. just not even the same sport – pitching was never meant to be this good

baubo
4 years ago

IMO it’s more that teams are treating pitchers differently nowadays. When I was growing up it’s expected that the starter go 6-7 innings, then you have your setup guy, closer, and that’s about it. If a starter gets shelled, then he gets shelled. If he needs 120 pitches to get to the 7th inning, so be it.

The way the good teams treat pitchers today is just so different, using a lot more of them while squeezing as much effectiveness as possible from each.

Anon21Member since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  baubo

Agreed. As pitchers get more and more specialized, each individual pitcher becomes less valuable. Starters these days just don’t get the innings to be amongst the most valuable players in the game, and that’s even before you get into the greater injury risk.

The most recent time a pitcher had a top 100 all-time season was 2018, when deGrom checked in at 31. How did he fail to place higher when he had a laughable 1.99 FIP? Well, he threw 217 innings, which is great by current standards and very light by historical standards. (But Pedro Martinez had the greatest season of all time in 1999 while pitching only 213 innings! What the fuck.)

If Alcantara can sustain his performance and pitch 230 innings, he might be the pitcher with the highest trade value, just because no one else can go that deep every fifth game.

joe_schlabotnik
4 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

thats kinda exactly what im saying. its crazy that were at this point.
although i will add, pitchers are infinitely better than they were in 1990

Anon21Member since 2018
4 years ago

Trading quantity for quality. Makes sense to a point. (I personally hope MLB will stop and reverse the trend by imposing pitcher roster limits with more bite.)

Jason BMember since 2017
4 years ago
Reply to  baubo

Yeah it was kind of sad reading under Max Fried’s writeup that he is known for working deep into games – which was defined as 6 whole games where he has gone over 6 innings! I know times change and players evolve, but damn. In the early 90s even lesser lights like Melido Perez and Jaime Navarro had seasons with 10 complete games.

Anon21Member since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

He did have eight starts last year in which he went at least 7 innings, including two complete game shutouts. I’m also sad about the demise of the complete game, but when iron man Sandy Alcantara has only racked up a league-leading two to this point in the season, one can safely project the extinction of the achievement within the next decade unless something is done.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
4 years ago

This isn’t a best players list, it’s a most valuable trade chip list. That’s an important distinction and why risk tolerance plays so heavily into it. Investing in an SP’s health 3+ years out is like playing the lottery. To be worth it, that pitcher has got to positively amazing, or dirt cheap.

Hitters (especially younger ones) are far more likely to still be useful players in the long term.

downbaddav
4 years ago

maybe brewers should trade hader for some offense and make peralta their closer

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago

lol. “What, you thought I was going to leave him off the list again?”

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
4 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I appreciated the reference.

MikeSMember since 2020
4 years ago

Maybe the only thing keeping Dylan Cease from being the best pitcher in the game is that he walks too many guys and doesn’t work deep enough into games, which are basically the same thing. I don’t know if that’s possible, but if he can take that step and mostly maintain the strikeouts while limiting the walks some, he’s maybe the best around.

Random silly, mostly meaningless stat: Only 2 players in the history of baseball have given up 3 earned runs over 11 starts. Bob Gibson, 1968. Dylan Cease 2022. Gibson was the unanimous winner of the NL Cy Young award that year and won the NL MVP.

Left of Centerfield
4 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

Still can’t believe that he didn’t make the All-Star team this year. Horrible decision to leave him off.

diamonddores
4 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

IIRC, Scherzer won a Cy Young before ever pitching a complete game. I dunno if Cease is on Scherzer’s level. But at some point he’ll start being more efficient and pitching deeper into games. I hope so anyway

mr. N
4 years ago
Reply to  diamonddores

he has certainly shown an abnormal level of dominance even without the efficiency. i definitely wouldn’t be one to bet against him.

tung_twista
4 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

> Only 2 players in the history of baseball have given up 3 earned runs over 11 starts. Bob Gibson, 1968. Dylan Cease 2022. Gibson was the unanimous winner of the NL Cy Young award that year and won the NL MVP.

You are leaving out important context.

Cease in those 11 games: 64 innings, 5.8 IP/GS.
(league average: 5.2 IP/GS. 2.36ER/GS)
Gibson in those 11 games: 99 innings, 9 IP/GS.
(league average: 6.6IP/GS. 2.20ER/GS)

Granted, in 1968, more than a quarter of games had starters pitching complete games, but nevertheless, these are not really comparable performances.

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MikeSMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  tung_twista

That’s why I said it was silly and mostly meaningless. It also doesn’t take into account unearned runs, which are not solely the fault of the defense. Cease has given up 10 unearned runs in 20 starts, Gibson gave up 11 in 34 that year.

Still, no one else has done it, even in the slightly less dominant way that Cease has. It isn’t comparable, but it isn’t nothing either.

kid
4 years ago

Jake Cronenworth? I dunno, this feels like another “light stick/good glove” entry. His xBA, xSLG, Barrel % and HH rates are all in 3-year decline (actuals are in decline, too). Savant thinks he’s “earned” a .219 BA & .351 SLG in 2022. Uhh, gross. I get that he plays good defense and runs the bases well, but I can’t help but feel like literally every team has a clone (or two) of this type of player.

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DLHughey
4 years ago
Reply to  kid

This is definitely a case of using WAR to make a ranking rather than to confirm what other better stats are telling us. The numbers you’re citing tell a very different (and much more realistic) story than “#31 trade value.”

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  kid

Do we need to talk about Erick Aybar again? Seemingly average performances can be enormously valuable when it’s at places of scarcity. And not only can Cronenworth play an average shortstop, he can literally play anything else too depending on the night you need him to. So “scarcity” becomes way more interesting here than it does with most other shortstop types.

He’s outperforming his xStats this year, but so what? There’s no reason to think that 2022 is his true talent level instead of 2020/2021, which is a much larger sample size. ZiPs projects him as a 4.1 win player over 600 PAs, and Steamer projects him over 3.2. Even if you take the pessimistic road, this is still a pretty good player.

This is not at all like Nick Madrigal or Alex Verdugo, neither of whom were as good a hitter, defender, or baserunner as the scouts thought they would be. Jake Cronenworth has put up twice as much fWAR in this season as Madrigal has in his entire career. Alex Verdugo and Jake Cronenworth both put up career highs in fWAR last year…and Cronenworth had twice as much as Verdugo. No, Ben is absolutely correct about Cronenworth. He’s the league’s most invisible star.

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago

It’s interesting how Jazz Chisholm has more or less morphed into a TTO middle infielder after being a Javier Baez-level disaster with pitch selection in Arizona. On the one hand, it makes me think that the Marlins might have better luck with this type than others. OTOH, given how many high-K guys they have gotten, the idea that they got lucky with one of them turning into a legitimate MLB starter/star looks less surprising.

Interesting and aggressive ranking on Oneil Cruz. He’s not going to be a shortstop and he can’t make contact, but 80 raw power is hard to quit. I don’t know if I disagree or not. I just think it’s interesting.

Ben is absolutely correct about Jake Cronenworth. You are right, the others are wrong.

diamonddores
4 years ago

I would be extremely disappointed if my team (I don’t have one) gave up much of anything with Cronenworth, Mullins or Murphy being the returns. Cruz is tantalizing but there’s no way he sticks at SS with his footwork and the swing and miss in his bat is terrifying.

Lotta meh in this grouping IYAM

WebsMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  diamonddores

I love watching Cruz. I tune in to Pirates games just to watch him.

And if he doesn’t stick as a shortstop, he can always go to Hollywood to fill in as Predator with the dreads coming out of his cap, triangular facial structure, and narrow eyes.

Dmjn53
4 years ago
Reply to  diamonddores

Yea I would have thought Cruz would be in the honorable mention category with the other prospects. His talent is undeniable, but his bust risk is way higher than the average 60 FV.

MRDXolMember since 2021
4 years ago

I don’t really get Cease being lower than Fried & Woodruff. By performance he’s about on par with them but he’s got 1 full more year of (arb-1) control

hughduffy
4 years ago
Reply to  MRDXol

In 2022:
Max Fried: 20 GS, 125.1 IP, 6.27 IP/GS, 5.32 K/BB, 3.8 WAR
Dylan Cease: 20 GS, 110.2 IP, 5.53 IP/GS, 3.14 K/BB, 3.1 WAR
Brandon Woodruff: 14 GS, 72.1 IP, 5.17 IP/GS, 4.18 K/BB, 2.0 WAR

Woodruff spent some time on the IL this year. Cease has been effectively wild. Fried has pitched deeper into games and has better batted ball metrics than Cease does.

Fried shows how to succeed by inducing weak contact, not walking people, and not giving up home runs while having a .304 BABIP. My personal ranking would be Fried, Cease, then Woodruff.

PC1970Member since 2024
4 years ago
Reply to  hughduffy

The other thing about Woodruff is he has been doing this for a lot longer than Cease. Been a good to great SP since 2019. Cease really struggled for a couple years & was decent last year, but, really made the leap this year.

As with a guy like Robbie Ray, until Cease does it for a couple of years, it’s fair to prefer Woodruff because he’s “safer”

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MRDXolMember since 2021
4 years ago
Reply to  PC1970

I understand the Ray comparison— lotta K’s, also too many BB’s— but I don’t think it’s quite the same thing. Ray had his debut year and then 6 decent to bad years before he ‘broke out’ and won the CYA last year, but even then it was by beating his good-not-great ERA estimators. Cease was a lot more than decent last year, he was a top-20 starter in baseball— by fWAR, better than CYA winner Ray. Now he’s improved further and is putting up top-10 SP numbers by any measure.

Woodruff also took until his third season to be good. If Cease came more or less out of nowhere, like say Nestor Cortes, I understand the skepticism, but this just looks like a pretty normal development path, plus he’s also been pretty much entirely healthy since TJS in high school, unlike Ray or Woodruff. Even if he regresses back to last year’s level of performance, that’s still a 4-WAR starter, and a full extra year of control of that guy is still better than Woodruff.

nickolai
4 years ago

The write-up for Murphy makes me wonder to what extent the prospect of robo-umps in the MLB factors into future valuations of catchers like Murphy, who deliver so much of their value via framing. Since it wasn’t mentioned above, I suspect doesn’t factor into the WAR projections; but I wonder if MLB front offices consider that all when weighing trade targets/offers.

TKDCMember since 2016
4 years ago
Reply to  nickolai

Probably not much because framing is volatile anyway and auto ump definitely won’t be in place in 2023 and while conventional wisdom says it eventually will, it could easily be 3-4 years down the road (or more!). Seems like a very minor thing to worry about now.

djanyreasonMember since 2020
4 years ago

Maybe I need to update my priors, but it feels to me like trading Brian Reynolds for Mike Trout straight up would be a steal for the Pirates.

joe_schlabotnik
4 years ago
Reply to  djanyreason

and yet, the pirates wouldn’t make the trade

NATS FanMember since 2018
4 years ago
Reply to  djanyreason

Trout is a bit more expensive. That matters, because you need those resources for the rest of the team.

carterMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  djanyreason

Didn’t age the best

miltonfriedman
4 years ago

Where does Skubal end up? What about Miguel Cabrera?

Psychic... Powerless...
4 years ago
Reply to  miltonfriedman

Cabrera’s way behind Bobby Bonilla, who provides more WAR for a fraction of the cost and doesn’t even use a roster spot.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 years ago
Reply to  miltonfriedman

Skubal is probably in the next batch. Miguel Cabrera makes the Top 5 but only on Opposite Day.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
4 years ago

It is always interesting to read what other people think about the game and the players but these comparisons really show very little about their future value because of the extreme volatility of so many players. The teams are risk averse for a reason. You can’t predict baseball, The comments that stood out to me were those concerning framing. I will admit to always considering it to be dubious because I felt the umpire had his mind made up as the ball crossed the plate and were not going to be readily influenced by the catchers method of receiving the pitch. I found it almost laughable that a catcher could think he could steal a strike by yanking his mitt several inches. That does seem to be a skill, if it is anything more than a mirage, that would not deviate as dramatically as seems to, i.e. Stallings and Nola, if it wasn’t much more than a measure of whether the umpire was having a good night or not.