2022 Trade Value: #1 to #10

As is tradition at FanGraphs, we’re using the lead-up to next week’s trade deadline to take stock of the top 50 players in baseball by trade value. For a more detailed introduction to this year’s exercise, as well as a look at the players who fell just short of the top 50, be sure to read the Introduction and Honorable Mentions piece, which can be found in the widget above.

For those of you who have been reading the Trade Value Series the last few seasons, the format should look familiar. For every player, you’ll see a table with the player’s projected five-year WAR from 2023-2027, courtesy of Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections. The table will also include the player’s guaranteed money, if any, the year through which their team has contractual control of them, last year’s rank (if applicable), and then projections, contract status, and age for each individual season through 2027, if the player is under contract or team control for those seasons. Last year’s rank includes a link to the relevant 2021 post. Thanks are due to Sean Dolinar for his help in creating the tables in these posts. At the bottom of the page, there is a grid showing all of the players who have been ranked up to this point.

Now, let’s get to our final batch of players.

Five-Year WAR +19.7
Guaranteed Dollars $50.2 M
Team Control Through 2027
Previous Rank HM
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2023 27 +4.4 $6.3 M
2024 28 +4.2 $9.3 M
2025 29 +4.0 $17.3 M
2026 30 +3.7 $17.3 M
2027 31 +3.4 $21.0 M
Team Option

The way pitchers work these days, I can’t imagine how one could place higher on this list than Alcantara. He has everything you could reasonably want: a solid track record, oodles of team control, best-in-class durability, and a fastball that tops out above 100 mph. Over the past two years, he’s hit another gear, sharpening his command and improving his changeup from an afterthought to perhaps his best pitch. I’d take Corbin Burnes, Max Scherzer, and Gerrit Cole over him if I needed to win exactly one game, but he’s squarely in that tier.

Thanks to a contract extension he signed before his star turn, he’s also a tremendous value for the Marlins. He won’t reach free agency until after the 2027 season, and the last year is even a moderately priced team option. Alcantara isn’t quite a 1970s throwback as a starter (though he’s the closest thing going these days), but he’s an early 2000s throwback contract-wise. I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve acknowledged how frustrating it is that teams care so much about contract status, but well, they care so much about contract status, both in terms of years of control and average annual value.

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Only one thing is stopping Alcantara from a higher place on this speculative list: the very real attrition rate among pitchers. Of the guys on the pitching WAR leaderboards from five years ago, Scherzer and Aaron Nola are examples of how things can work out. Chris Sale, Corey Kluber, Stephen Strasburg, Luis Severino, Carlos Carrasco, Zack Greinke, Jimmy Nelson, and Chris Archer, meanwhile, are examples of the various ways things can go wrong. Was 2017 a particularly bad year? It sure was – I picked it to make a point. But pitchers are inherently volatile, and while having an ace with a bunch of team control is great, there are limits to how great.

Five-Year WAR +21.9
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2025
Previous Rank #2
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2023 24 +4.6 Arb 2
2024 25 +4.5 Arb 3
2025 26 +4.3 Arb 4
Arb

Last season was a crash course in what happens when Vlad is going well. He has the rare combination of pitch selection and ludicrous bat speed that makes you fear for the health of the people standing near him. His blend of feel to hit and raw power is reminiscent of some of my favorite great sluggers of the past; Gary Sheffield, early-career Larry Walker, and Manny Ramirez come to mind when I watch Vladito work.

This season has been a crash course in what happens when he’s not going well. The same old problems – too many grounders, basically – are keeping him from reprising last year’s masterpiece. But a funny thing happened: Guerrero has gotten so good at what he does that even in a diminished, grounder-heavy form, he’s still 34% above average despite underperforming his batted ball metrics. He’s hitting the ball harder, targeting pitches to hit more frequently, and generally delivering enough screaming contact that even when he’s not playing up to his potential, he’s a far more complete hitter than he once was.

A concept that I’ve been circling around quite frequently in these blurbs is how teams want high-floor players. That’s too simplistic, though. I like to think of it as a kind of hedging: none of us know a player’s future talent level, or even their true current talent level. When I say teams are looking for a high floor, I mean they’re looking for players with the skills teams are more certain about, giving those players a solid worst-case outcome. That could be defense, but it could also be preternatural feel to hit.

One example: Some people I talked to thought I had Austin Riley too low, and some thought I had Guerrero too high, but no one had Riley ahead of Guerrero. Riley’s having a better season, but talent evaluators (and models, too, for what it’s worth) like Guerrero’s odds of doing better going forward, both because of his blowout 2021 top end and because he has such strong underlying skills. He’s a high-floor slugging first baseman, essentially, and I think teams would consider that in their offers for him.

Five-Year WAR +15.7
Guaranteed Dollars $37.0 M
Team Control Through 2027
Previous Rank #30
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2023 25 +3.5 $9.5 M
2024 26 +3.3 $12.5 M
2025 27 +3.1 $15.0 M
2026 28 +2.9 $20.0 M
2027 29 +2.9 $20.0 M
Team Option

To put it mildly, Robert does not have a high-floor bat. The power is there, of course, and he has impressive bat-to-ball skills; running near-league-average contact rates despite swinging at more bad pitches than anyone else in baseball is hard to do. But if you’re trading for Robert, there has to be a voice in the back of your head wondering about the approach. How could there not be? He doesn’t strike out at an unacceptable rate now, but I’m not sure how many more bad pitches he can swing at and keep above water offensively.

Of course, there is a pile of reasons to tell that voice in your head to pipe down. If you’re looking for a walking avatar of hard-hit rate, Robert is the closest you’ll get. His swing is explosive, and it punishes poorly-located fastballs and breaking pitches with equal violence. The loudest “ooh” I’ve ever heard on a major league field came from the A’s dugout after a Robert home run in their 2020 playoff series. The sound and look of his batted ball quality just can’t be faked.

The same is true of his defense and baserunning. He’s a rangy fielder with excellent closing speed in center. He’s also a threat to steal, and one of the best in the game at taking an extra base. That only matters if you reach base, which may never be Robert’s forte, but it’s a meaningful tailwind nonetheless.

For the next three years, Robert is due modest salaries. The White Sox also have two $20 million team options, which will easily be worth exercising if Robert continues at his current clip. These aren’t decline years, either: Robert turns 25 next week, which means the options cover his age-28 and 29 seasons. The combination of excellent defense, superstar potential, and affordable team control would have clubs swinging out of their shoes — much like Robert when he sees a pitch he likes — if the White Sox decided to put him on the market.

Five-Year WAR +21.8
Guaranteed Dollars $119.0 M
Team Control Through 2028
Previous Rank #26
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2023 30 +5.3 $14.0 M
2024 31 +5.1 $17.0 M
2025 32 +4.5 $19.0 M
2026 33 +4.0 $21.0 M
2027 34 +2.9 $23.0 M

Just when you thought Ramírez would fall off this list, he signs an extension and works his way back on. Ramírez is up to his usual tricks, launching home runs and doubles with wild abandon while walking more than he strikes out. He’s adding his customary excellent defense and top-notch baserunning, naturally. Another top five MVP finish seems likely, which would be his fourth in six years; he also finished sixth once.

Will he keep up this production forever? Obviously not. He’s 29, and at some point age will come for him. But he’s been one of the 10 best hitters in baseball since his 2017 breakout, rarely misses a game, and is somehow second only to Trea Turner in baserunning value over that stretch. Truly, Ramírez is a unicorn of a player, and his new, $20-million-a-year contract runs through the 2028 season, which will give Guardians fans plenty of time to appreciate the homegrown star who wanted to stay.

The downside with Ramírez is that he’s so maxed out on every skill that there’s nowhere to compensate if one of his tools starts to decline. What is he going to do if he loses bat speed, start pulling the ball more? He already pulls the ball the most. Is he going to make up for it by striking out less? He already has one of the lowest strikeout rates in baseball. As you can see from the projections, ZiPS thinks he’s in for a steep late decline, and it’s hardly alone in that assessment.

If the Guardians were trading Ramírez, I think teams would consider that downside, shrug, and still offer a massive haul for him. Even if ZiPS is right, the back half of his contract is hardly underwater, and he’s a huge bargain right now. Several high-spending teams could use a star third baseman, and he’s more consistent, a better value, and signed to a longer-term deal than all of the other elite options. He’s not getting traded. He has a full no-trade clause in his contract, and wants to play in Cleveland his whole career. But (almost) no one this high is getting traded, so that’s immaterial.

Five-Year WAR +31.8
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2024
Previous Rank #5
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2023 24 +6.5 Arb 3
2024 25 +6.4 Arb 4
Arb

Almost no one. I’ll be honest: Soto’s placement on this list is partially a statement about how star power can matter more than surplus value. I think there’s still a prevailing feeling in front offices across the game that years of team control, particularly discounted years of control, are more valuable than superstardom. But Soto might challenge that feeling.

Perhaps Soto wouldn’t fetch the sixth-best offer if every player were put on the market at once. In that world, if you missed, you could just use those prospects to bid on Ramírez or Adley Rutschman. But not every player is being put on the market at once. Juan Soto is, though, and if you want to turn some prospects on your team into a 23-year-old with a career 154 wRC+, your options are Soto or no one. That scarcity/availability combination means something.

If you’re wondering why Soto isn’t ranked first, it’s because he isn’t under contract for enough years. If every player were going to stay on their new team forever, it would be a different story, but that’s not how baseball works. If you’re wondering why he’s in the top 10, well, read on.

Trading for Soto gets you a premium bat — he’s projected to be the best player in baseball each of the next two years according to ZiPS — for the 2022 stretch run and two full seasons after that. Maybe you could accomplish something like that in free agency this winter, but probably not; there aren’t enough marquee free agents to satiate every team’s demand for great players, and certainly not 23-year-old great players.

Soto’s defense and baserunning have been quite poor this season, but no one I spoke to thinks that’s his true talent out there. His contact quality is down slightly, too, though not a ton considering the league context. Mostly, though, he’s BABIP’ing .242 for a dead-end team and getting on base at a .400 clip anyway. He’s just a great hitter. He makes the best swing decisions in baseball and also won the Home Run Derby.

One bonus: If you trade for Soto, you’re a contending team. And if you’re a contending team, that gives you nearly three years to convince him that he should stick around. I’m not saying you’ll get a bargain of an extension or anything, but you might get him to stay, and just having a Soto-caliber player on your team is really valuable. Take the Cardinals, who have a penchant for developing average players and supplementing them by trading for and extending stars. Plenty of teams have a talent for drafting and developing solid role players, but finding superstars to play with them is tricky business.

Maybe Soto is dead set on testing free agency. If so, you’ll still get three playoff runs with a fearsome hitter anchoring your lineup, and even if you’re just a count-up-the-WAR surplus value type, Soto fares quite well, easily in the top 25, because his career-to-date production and thus his projections are top-notch. Sprinkle in some value for his star-level production and the carrot of potentially extending a 23-year-old on a Hall of Fame trajectory, and I think teams should be willing to offer a boatload to bring him into the fold.

Five-Year WAR +22.5
Guaranteed Dollars $110.0 M
Team Control Through 2028
Previous Rank #11
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2023 26 +5.0 $7.8 M
2024 27 +4.7 $10.8 M
2025 28 +4.6 $15.8 M
2026 29 +4.2 $26.8 M
2027 30 +4.0 $26.8 M

Alvarez was 11th on this list last year and I was worried he might be too low. In June, he signed a six-year, $115 million deal that starts next season and tops out at a reasonable $26 million per year after discounted years up front. Extensions signed this far before free agency are generally value-additive; the tradeoff involved in those contracts is invariably that the player accepts discounted free agency years in exchange for certainty in their arb years. Well, Alvarez’s 2022 campaign so far gives you a good sense of just how valuable those free agent years might have been. He has hit at an historic pace; his .309/.413/.674 line (as of Wednesday) is good for a 201 wRC+. Since 2000, two players other than Alvarez have done that for a full season (to be clear, he’s not there yet): Soto in 2020 (over just 47 games, far fewer than Alvarez) and Barry Bonds (four times). Alvarez isn’t Bonds, but what he’s doing is Bondsian. Oh yeah – he’s running a reasonable .301 BABIP, and his underlying contact quality outstrips his batted ball results. A full 20% of his batted balls are barreled, and he’s hitting the ball 95 mph or harder 60% of the time, the best mark in baseball.

At the same time, he’s vastly improved when it comes to pitch selection. He has a career-high walk rate and a career-low strikeout rate. He’s swinging at more pitches over the heart of the plate than he did before, and swinging less often at borderline and bad pitches. It no longer feels like you can get him out with good breaking balls; he’s learned to spit on them and wait for something he can crush out of the park.

Being a DH hurts, of course, but it doesn’t hurt that much. ZiPS has him pegged for the eighth-most WAR in baseball over the next five years, just ahead of Ramírez and Aaron Judge. He’s only 25, too, and he’s been more bad than atrocious in left field. For my money, Alvarez is the best hitter in baseball right now, narrowly ahead of Soto, and his contract means he’ll be doing that great hitting for the Astros for a long time to come.

Five-Year WAR +25.8
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2027
Previous Rank HM
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2023 22 +4.6 Pre-Arb
2024 23 +5.3 Pre-Arb
2025 24 +5.4 Arb 1
2026 25 +5.3 Arb 2
2027 26 +5.2 Arb 3
Pre-Arb
Arb

The error bars on Rodríguez’s value are huge. He’s played just over half a season in the major leagues, and he’s been awesome. His elite bat speed leads to loud contact, and he’s putting plenty of that contact into the air. He looks like a perennial 30-homer threat. He’s also a perennial 30-steal threat, and scouting consensus notwithstanding, he’s playing standout defense in center field. If he keeps all that up, or even improves on it (he’s just 21, after all), he could be the best player in baseball very soon, and on a league-minimum contract to boot.

But again, the error bars are huge. A voracious approach at the plate has led to some contact issues; he’s striking out 27% of the time and running a 15.8% swinging strike rate. I’m not too worried about it, and he already appears to be making adjustments, but he’s not without risk.

Obviously, I’m not particularly concerned about those risks, or at least not enough to keep Rodríguez out of the very top tier when it comes to player trade value. The combination of top-notch athleticism, preposterous raw power, and a steep learning curve that’s seen him improve markedly in his first year in the majors is too much to pass up. This is what it looks like when a phenom debuts.

If you wanted to put him first on this list, you’d have a good case to make. It’s mostly immaterial anyway; for me, all of the guys in the top five have the same coveted combination of superstar top-end talent and gobsmacking amounts of team control, and all of them carry risks. Time will tell whether Rodríguez is more All-Star or MVP, but you can’t argue with the early returns.

Five-Year WAR +25.4
Guaranteed Dollars $332.6 M
Team Control Through 2034
Previous Rank #1
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2023 24 +4.8 $7.7 M
2024 25 +5.2 $11.7 M
2025 26 +5.2 $20.7 M
2026 27 +5.2 $20.7 M
2027 28 +5.0 $25.7 M

Wow, was placing Tatis on these rankings difficult. If you make the list in a rule-based way – most controllable WAR, or most surplus value over the cost of WAR in free agency, or something like that – he invariably finishes second, behind only the player actually ranked number one on the list (read on to find out!), even with projection systems knocking his future expected statistics down due to limited playing time. Having this many years of team control of a player who just put up a 7.3 WAR season at age 22 is staggering and unprecedented.

Tatis also hasn’t played since last year, and the injury record is getting scary at this point. On a per-PA basis, he’s played his entire career at an MVP level, but the next season in which he reaches 550 plate appearances will be the first. This kind of guaranteed money for a player with injury issues scares teams, and you can understand where they’re coming from.

And yet, no one I talked to pushed back against having Tatis in the top tier of players. Even the most risk-averse front office member would be tempted by the chance to capture the entire prime of a shortstop with a bat 50% above league average. If Tatis gets moved to an outfield corner when he comes back, he’ll still be one of the best players in baseball; his raw power and feel to hit are just that good. If you’re trying to talk yourself into trading for him, you can even say that his injuries have been fluky rather than recurring; hopefully his motorcycle riding days are done, and while there’s no such thing as a good IL stint, at least one part of his body hasn’t betrayed him over and over.

In the end, I bowed to the wisdom of the model (and of the baseball community, which basically all thinks Tatis will continue to be great) and shoved him up near the very top of the list. His contract would keep some teams out of the market, but there are enough deep-pocketed clubs that crave young superstars that there would still be a bidding frenzy. Think of this as a provisional ranking, in essence. Because he hasn’t stepped foot on the field this year, no one is trading for Tatis right now. But if he comes back and plays for a month at roughly his pre-injury level, this is where I’d slot him.

Five-Year WAR +18.8
Guaranteed Dollars $68.0 M
Team Control Through 2028
Previous Rank #3
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2023 25 +4.0 $17.0 M
2024 26 +3.9 $17.0 M
2025 27 +3.8 $17.0 M
2026 28 +3.6 $17.0 M
2027 29 +3.5 $17.0 M
Team Option

A torn ACL ended Acuña’s season in 2021, and he’s been slowed by nagging injuries this year as well. When he’s on the field, he hasn’t been his usual self; his swing doesn’t look as fluid to my eyes, and he’s topping a lot of balls he previously lifted, leading to a career-high groundball rate.

That’s a pretty ominous opening paragraph for someone I consider to have the second-best trade value in baseball. That’s because beyond those concerns, the news gets progressively better. When he does put the ball in the air, Acuña is still crushing it. If you projected every player’s offensive production based on their strikeouts, walks, and barrel rate, he’d be one of the best hitters in the game, even with all of those extra grounders. There’s more to baseball than hitting the ball hard and in the air, but the fact that Acuña has retained that skill even as he works back from injury is extremely encouraging.

I’m inclined to give Acuña the benefit of the doubt as he finds his way because his track record is exceptional and he’s showing flashes of his previous peak tools even while scuffling overall. Another reason? Acuña’s contract runs through 2028, and tops out at just $17 million per year. The length is more important than the money for players of his caliber, at least in my estimation, but the money certainly doesn’t hurt, either; Atlanta is paying him like a solid performer instead of like a guy who has played at a 5 WAR per 600 PA pace his whole career.

Is it weird that the second- and third-ranked players on the trade value list have combined for less than 2 WAR this season? Definitely. In my estimation, however, both are helped by the sheer lengths of their contracts. If you’re going to surrender a treasure trove of prospects to get a star, it would sure be nice to have them for a long time. A so-so year marred by injury matters a lot less when it’s one of seven years under contract rather than one of three.

Five-Year WAR +25.5
Guaranteed Dollars $178.5 M
Team Control Through 2033
Previous Rank #6
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2023 22 +4.2 $2.5 M
2024 23 +4.9 $2.5 M
2025 24 +5.3 $8.5 M
2026 25 +5.5 $15.5 M
2027 26 +5.6 $22.5 M

I’ll preface this with a macro comment about the top of the list as a whole: I was unenthused about having to say that any one of the top five players here has the highest trade value in all of baseball. All of them have meaningful question marks; defense, availability, and track record are all worrisome issues when you’re talking about the very best trade value in the game. But someone still has to be the best, and all of these players have two things working for them: enviable talent and lengthy team control. In my estimation, they make up a clear top five, but the order is both theoretical and tenuous.

Why Franco, then? Because he’s great, hilariously young, and will be a Ray for more than a decade to come. He’s the youngest player on the entire list and under contract the second-longest, behind only Tatis. His minor league track record is flawless, and ZiPS projects him as the sixth-best player in baseball over the next five years despite a middling, injury-marred 2022 so far.

Nothing about this season has changed the industry’s view of Franco. He’s a high-contact, swing-happy hitter in the Ramírez mold, though he hasn’t yet developed Ramírez’s ability to consistently get to his pull power. He’s a gap-to-gap line drive guy for now, and might always be more speed and doubles than homer-first. But remember, he’s doing that at 21, in the major leagues, as a switch hitter, and producing at a roughly 4 WAR per 600 PA pace while doing so. Projection systems aren’t making these numbers up out of thin air; he looks the part, both on the field and in the data.

Is there more risk here than in your average top player on the list? Definitely. He doesn’t have the established track record that you’d generally like to see. But when in doubt, I’m siding with the years of control and the pedigree. Computers and evaluators are in agreement that Franco is amazing, a generational talent — he’s still the only 80 FV prospect the site has had in the Future Value era. He’ll be around forever, and somehow he’ll still only be 33 at the end of his deal, even if the Rays exercise their option. Could he be more plus than plus-plus, to use pitching terminology? For sure. But in the end, the combination of high ceiling, high floor, and oodles of team control was enough for me to slot him in the top spot.

2022 Trade Value, 1-50
Rk Pv Player Age 2023 2024 2025 2026 2027
1 6 Wander Franco 21 +4.2
$2.5 M
+4.9
$2.5 M
+5.3
$8.5 M
+5.5
$15.5 M
+5.6
$22.5 M
2 3 Ronald Acuña Jr. 24 +4.0
$17.0 M
+3.9
$17.0 M
+3.8
$17.0 M
+3.6
$17.0 M
+3.5
$17.0 M
3 1 Fernando Tatis Jr. 23 +4.8
$7.7 M
+5.2
$11.7 M
+5.2
$20.7 M
+5.2
$20.7 M
+5.0
$25.7 M
4 HM Julio Rodríguez 21 +4.6
Pre-Arb
+5.3
Pre-Arb
+5.4
Arb 1
+5.3
Arb 2
+5.2
Arb 3
5 11 Yordan Alvarez 25 +5.0
$7.8 M
+4.7
$10.8 M
+4.6
$15.8 M
+4.2
$26.8 M
+4.0
$26.8 M
6 5 Juan Soto 23 +6.5
Arb 3
+6.4
Arb 4
7 26 José Ramírez 29 +5.3
$14.0 M
+5.1
$17.0 M
+4.5
$19.0 M
+4.0
$21.0 M
+2.9
$23.0 M
8 30 Luis Robert 24 +3.5
$9.5 M
+3.3
$12.5 M
+3.1
$15.0 M
+2.9
$20.0 M
+2.9
$20.0 M
9 2 Vladimir Guerrero Jr. 23 +4.6
Arb 2
+4.5
Arb 3
+4.3
Arb 4
10 HM Sandy Alcantara 26 +4.4
$6.3 M
+4.2
$9.3 M
+4.0
$17.3 M
+3.7
$17.3 M
+3.4
$21.0 M
11 23 Kyle Tucker 25 +4.7
Arb 1
+4.4
Arb 2
+4.1
Arb 3
12 Byron Buxton 28 +4.1
$15.1 M
+4.0
$15.1 M
+3.8
$15.1 M
+3.4
$15.1 M
+2.9
$15.1 M
13 24 Adley Rutschman 24 +3.9
Pre-Arb
+4.0
Pre-Arb
+4.3
Pre-Arb
+3.9
Arb 1
+4.0
Arb 2
14 HM Bobby Witt Jr. 22 +3.8
Pre-Arb
+4.3
Pre-Arb
+4.3
Arb 1
+4.3
Arb 2
+4.1
Arb 3
15 16 Ke’Bryan Hayes 25 +3.3
$10.0 M
+3.3
$7.0 M
+3.2
$7.0 M
+3.1
$7.0 M
+2.8
$7.0 M
16 4 Ozzie Albies 25 +3.4
$7.0 M
+3.6
$7.0 M
+3.1
$7.0 M
+2.9
$7.0 M
+2.7
$7.0 M
17 33 Will Smith 27 +4.4
Arb 1
+4.1
Arb 2
+3.9
Arb 3
18 Jeremy Peña 24 +2.7
Pre-Arb
+2.8
Pre-Arb
+2.8
Arb 1
+2.6
Arb 2
+2.6
Arb 3
19 Alek Manoah 24 +3.8
Pre-Arb
+3.8
Pre-Arb
+3.7
Arb 1
+3.5
Arb 2
+3.3
Arb 3
20 Shane McClanahan 25 +3.7
Pre-Arb
+3.8
Pre-Arb
+3.6
Arb 1
+3.3
Arb 2
+3.1
Arb 3
21 20 Bo Bichette 24 +3.9
Arb 1
+4.0
Arb 2
+3.8
Arb 3
22 Austin Riley 25 +3.6
Arb 2
+3.5
Arb 3
+3.4
Arb 4
23 14 Corbin Burnes 27 +5.2
Arb 2
+5.1
Arb 3
24 7 Mookie Betts 29 +4.5
$25.4 M
+4.2
$30.4 M
+3.7
$30.4 M
+3.1
$30.4 M
+2.2
$30.4 M
25 Logan Webb 25 +3.6
Arb 1
+3.7
Arb 2
+3.5
Arb 3
26 17 Shohei Ohtani 27 +6.2
Arb 3
27 Alejandro Kirk 23 +2.9
Pre-Arb
+3.2
Arb 1
+3.3
Arb 2
+3.5
Arb 3
28 25 Framber Valdez 28 +2.9
Arb 2
+2.5
Arb 3
+2.5
Arb 4
29 HM Brandon Lowe 27 +2.9
$5.3 M
+2.7
$8.8 M
+2.6
$10.5 M
+2.2
$11.5 M
30 12 Shane Bieber 27 +4.3
Arb 2
+4.2
Arb 3
31 21 Jake Cronenworth 28 +4.0
Arb 1
+3.8
Arb 2
+3.5
Arb 3
32 43 Freddy Peralta 26 +2.8
$3.7 M
+2.7
$5.7 M
+2.5
$8.0 M
+2.3
$8.0 M
33 HM Cedric Mullins 27 +3.2
Arb 1
+2.9
Arb 2
+2.9
Arb 3
34 HM Bryan Reynolds 27 +3.8
$6.8 M
+3.7
Arb 3
+3.6
Arb 4
35 19 Brandon Woodruff 29 +4.1
Arb 3
+3.8
Arb 4
36 HM Max Fried 28 +4.6
Arb 3
+4.4
Arb 4
37 38 Sean Murphy 27 +3.0
Arb 1
+2.8
Arb 2
+2.7
Arb 3
38 Oneil Cruz 23 +2.4
Pre-Arb
+2.6
Pre-Arb
+2.7
Pre-Arb
+2.6
Arb 1
+2.4
Arb 2
39 Dylan Cease 26 +3.3
Arb 1
+3.3
Arb 2
+3.2
Arb 3
40 HM Jazz Chisholm Jr. 24 +2.2
Pre-Arb
+2.4
Arb 1
+2.5
Arb 2
+2.2
Arb 3
41 22 Ketel Marte 28 +3.2
$11.6 M
+3.1
$13.6 M
+2.8
$16.6 M
+2.4
$16.6 M
+1.9
$14.6 M
42 Luis Arraez 25 +3.3
Arb 2
+3.2
Arb 3
+3.1
Arb 4
43 HM Pete Alonso 27 +4.2
Arb 2
+4.2
Arb 3
44 48 Luis Garcia 25 +2.3
Pre-Arb
+2.2
Arb 1
+2.2
Arb 2
+2.0
Arb 3
45 18 Zac Gallen 26 +2.8
Arb 1
+2.7
Arb 2
+2.6
Arb 3
46 Ty France 27 +3.7
Arb 1
+3.3
Arb 2
+3.3
Arb 3
47 13 Mike Trout 30 +4.9
$37.1 M
+4.5
$37.1 M
+3.9
$37.1 M
+2.9
$37.1 M
+2.2
$37.1 M
48 Riley Greene 21 +2.4
Pre-Arb
+2.9
Pre-Arb
+3.0
Pre-Arb
+3.0
Arb 1
+3.0
Arb 2
49 42 Dylan Carlson 23 +2.6
Pre-Arb
+2.5
Arb 1
+2.4
Arb 2
+2.3
Arb 3
50 32 Randy Arozarena 27 +2.3
Pre-Arb
+2.1
Arb 1
+2.0
Arb 2
+1.7
Arb 3
Pre-Arb
Arb
Team Option





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jbgocubsMember since 2025
3 years ago

How did it take Julio Rodriguez (CF – Mariners) 4 days to show up on this list? I’m not trying to be pedantic, I just think a 21 year old with so much “WAR” should have been a first day guy.

elcommish
3 years ago
Reply to  jbgocubs

you are trolling, right?

Uncle SpikeMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  elcommish

He’s definitely trolling. The use of the word pedantic is a dead give away.

MikeD
3 years ago
Reply to  elcommish

Well, he hasn’t shown up to defend his position, so we’ll give that a yes.

tyke
3 years ago
Reply to  jbgocubs

do you understand how this list works?

kylerkelton
3 years ago
Reply to  jbgocubs

LOL thanks for the laugh. Great trolling.

bigchizz
3 years ago
Reply to  jbgocubs

Can’t decide if sincerely doesn’t understand how this works or masterful trolling

Billsaints
3 years ago
Reply to  bigchizz

The latter, although I wouldn’t even call it trolling (which is more deliberately trying to upset). It’s just being silly/funny. Unfortunately this site is largely populated by analytical people who may miss the subtleties. So probably the wrong audience for these kind of comments lol.

Philip ChristyMember since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  Billsaints

It gets old.

TKDCMember since 2016
3 years ago

Oh, I have a feeling people aren’t going to like this. I actually think most of this list is defensible other than number one, which seems to be where you fall back on surplus value based on Zips projections. Franco must blow everyone else out of the water when you do the bean counting.

mikejuntMember
3 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

Franco’s signed for nearly as long as Tatis, is younger, and trades less established production for not having the really extensive injury history.

Acuna’s on a great deal, but you get Franco for twice as long.

TKDCMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

Tatis led all of baseball in WAR in 2020 and 2021. “Less established production” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Anyway, I’m not even talking about Tatis. His injuries are super scary and to me he is almost impossible to place, but I’d lean towards around #10.

Wander Franco has 3.6 career WAR. Other than the rookie (who does have more!), every other player here blows that number out of the water. Every other player has shown that he is great at the MLB level. Despite his talent, or more correctly the projection or anticipation of his talent, the chances of him ending up as kind of a dud are much higher than most of the rest of the top-10 (Tatis’ injuries and Alcantara’s position are also heavy marks against their probabilities of future production, you could also make an argument for Robert’s injuries I guess).

I’d probably go:
Ramirez
Acuña
Rodriguez
Alverez
Franco
Vladdy
Robert
Soto
Alcantara
Tatis
Harris II 😉

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EonADSMember since 2024
3 years ago

Hooray for the finale of the Trade Value series! Pancakes, tea, and good reads. What more could I ask for?

I personally can’t agree with Robert being placed in front of Alcantara. I agree that pitchers are really volatile by nature, but Robert’s actual injury problems outrank Alcantara’s theoretical ones to more or less equalize that part of the equation, and Robert is just as volatile in his own way thanks to the massive downside to his High Ceiling, Low Floor skillset. Alcantara’s upside is higher, his downside is lesser, their injury concerns are equal, and the price is actually slightly in Alcantara’s favor, at least in the near-term. I’m fine with Vladito in front of both of them, but Alcantara > Robert is my firm opinion.

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OtterMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

Strong disagree, every pitchers’ injury risk is higher than even the most injury prone hitter (outside of a known degenerative condition which might be the case for one member of the top 50 unfortunately). It’s less than ideal if Robert misses 30-40 games a year, but if Alcantara blows out tomorrow (hopefully not!) we won’t see him until 2024 with the added uncertainty that he might not be back to what he is now.

EonADSMember since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  Otter

Still doesn’t make up the difference between theoretical and actual injury. And it’s not like every pitcher injury is a sign of the apocalypse. Nor is every hitter injury something that can just be shaken off. Look at what happened to Josh Naylor last year in the outfield; he got hurt so badly there were questions about whether or not his career was over. While Alcantara has a higher probability of serious long-term injury, there’s nothing to indicate that it’s likely other than him being a pitcher; he has never missed significant time in his pro career. Robert, on the other hand, has been injured more than a scrape or bump every season he has spent in the majors. I stand by what I said.

OtterMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

The number of pitchers who seemed fine and then weren’t his MUCH longer than the number of pitchers who seemed fine and stayed fine. Yes some of these arms are great and will continue to be great, but most won’t. Just from last year’s list: deGrom and Beuhler went from top 10 to either off the list of HM mainly because they got hurt (as well as being a year closer to FA of course). Flaherty would be another example. And then we have the arms who lost a tick or the league somewhat figured out and they aren’t as valuable.

Meanwhile Acuna and Tatis both have significant injuries, don’t play a ton and in Acuna’s case ‘underachieves’ and they’re still top three contracts!

EonADSMember since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  Otter

And Luis Robert isn’t on the level of Acuna or Tatis. He’s a less injury-prone Buxton, except he doesn’t play elite defense. He’s an above-average defender at a premium position who still has massive boom-and-bust potential as a hitter and is still injury prone. Robert has been below-average this year defensively, and that’s only going to get worse as the injuries keep piling up. He’s also slightly more expensive. Is his skillset awesome? Absolutely! Is his contract team friendly for his skillset? Of course! Is Alcantara better than him in literally every way except the vague idea of pitcher injury outweighing the actual injury history of Robert? Also yes.

Honestly, the way he is reminds me so much of Malcom Brogdon in the NBA. Great talent, inexpensive given the talent level. Can’t count on his availability, and his defense fluctuates. Inconsistent offense too. And that’s why he’s on a contender with depth. Robert is the same; how many decent-to-playable outfielders to the ChiSox have? Tons! Is part of that to replace him when (not if) he gets injured? Yes! Does that limit the teams that can realistically use him to his fullest potential? Also yes! On the other hand, Alcantara is something literally every team wants, with no limitations. Even the Dodgers and Mets would immediately be willing to take him for the right price.

tomerafan
3 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

Uhhh… Luis Robert is a coaching staff turnover away from being considered elite, elite, elite, no doubt. Not just LaRussa but the whole staff and system.

LFC Mike
3 years ago
Reply to  tomerafan

Agreed. The White Sox coaching and especially the training staff are a joke.

PC1970Member since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  Otter

True..but, Verlander lasted 15 years before his TJ & Max Scherzer has qualified for the ERA title 12 straight years & may yet do it this year (though he’s behind pace). Grienke has done 13 of the last 14 years ,mssing by 3 1/3 inning 1 year. Kershaw was consistently above until he hit age 33. Aaron Nola & Zack Wheeler are 2 others that are durable.

Outliers? Yes. Survivor bias? Yes. However, i don’t see that it’s inevitable that every pitcher is going to break in the next 5 years.

Jeff in JerseyMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  PC1970

This won’t help settle the debate, but Alcántara for Robert would be the coolest trade of the deadline that won’t actually happen.
(And yes, I cut & pasted Alcántara because I can never remember how to put in the accent).

OtterMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  PC1970

Sure and maybe Alcantara is the outlier. But it’s more likely that he goes from top 10 to off the list entirely than Robert or Vlad. That’s the risk of pitchers.

I actually think we’re probably underrating the Nola and Wheeler types fwiw (I think there is a good argument the Phillies would get more for them than Lowe/Marte/etc because of the demand of starting pitching remains so high). The more I think about it, the more I’d have the arms grouped together in the high teens through 20s/30s (Alcantara would lead the group of pitchers as well).

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

The more I think about it, the more I think I’d stack Buxton, Robert, and Tatis Jr. near each other. I think I’d do it in the same order as this series, but a little further down for each of them. Something like Tatis Jr. at 10, Robert at 11, and and Buxton at 15.

jaysfan39Member
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I would love to see a season where all 3 of these guys stayed healthy to see how their end of year #s would compare.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  jaysfan39

Tatis Jr would probably be the winner but you can’t exactly rule out Buxton. His 2021 would have prorated out to something like a 9-win season if he had stayed healthy.

Robert’s got the lowest ceiling but he’s also the most likely to stay healthy in the first place.

jaysfan39Member
3 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

I find it so hard to order pitchers and position players because of the inherent risk with pitchers and even though I love Alcantara because his stuff is insane it is also the fact his stuff is insane that makes me worry even more, guys who throw this hard tend to have even more injury issues then your average pitcher.

I think I would have Robert in front of Alcantara just because his defense and speed gives him a floor that Alcantara doesn’t have if an arm injury leads to him being done or severely diminished but I could go back and forth all day because if Alcantara is the Verlander of his generation he will put up a ton of value over his contract.

MRDXolMember since 2021
3 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

Where’s the low floor exactly for Robert? His defense has suffered badly this year due to a lightheadness/blurred vision issue, which is hopefully not long-term, and his extreme aggressiveness & making contact on bad pitches has his exit velo down and his grounders and pop-ups way up, and yet he’s still posting a 126 wRC+ on pace for a 4-WAR Pace season. Some mildly better swing decisions catapult him to MVP-level play, but even now he’s a very good player. He doesn’t strike out like Buxton does. While he’s certainly not maximizing his offensive profile now, how can a guy with this much raw pop, average strikeout rates, and above-average CF defense be said to have a low floor?

EonADSMember since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  MRDXol

It’s more “a lower floor than the others on this part of the list” than truly low. I do think he belongs on this list, just in the #10 spot, below Alcantara at #9. The big issues with his offense right now are that he’s hitting the ball into the ground half the time, and his power comes, at least in part, from the fact that he takes these giant wild hacks. The strikeout rate also isn’t sustainable; he’s literally the worst player in baseball in regards to chase rate and in the bottom third in regards to swing and miss. That also likely means his BABIP isn’t sustainable, at least not to the level it’s at now. Even for a guy with his max EV and foot speed, a .343 BABIP isn’t something he can keep up. His xBA agrees; he should be running a .273 BA right now relative to his actual swings.

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MRDXolMember since 2021
3 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

Giant wild hacks? Are we watching the same player? He swings at absolutely everything, certainly, but mechanically he’s got a swing that Longenhagen described as “comically simple”. It’s really efficient, so he’s actually got an above-average zone contact rate; pitch selection and raw bat-to-ball are not the same thing.

He posted about the same K rate last year, too. He’s *so* aggressive that he doesn’t get to 2-strike counts enough to strike out that much! K rate is the single stickiest peripheral we have for hitters, so ~650 PA of this ~20% K rate spread over two seasons is a really good indication that’s what he’s going to do there going forward.

Also, re BABIP, I just don’t care: .343 is good, but it’s not crazy like the .397 he posted last year, and I’ve been watching people yell about how Tim Anderson can’t sustain his BABIP for four years now. Maybe they’re right— he’s only BABIPing .348 this year!

dnc
3 years ago
Reply to  MRDXol

He’s saying Robert has a much higher floor than Alcantara. He agrees with you.

dnc
3 years ago
Reply to  dnc

Nevermind, I misread who you were responding to, my bad MRDXol.

Dmjn53
3 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

Agree. It’s hard not to look at Javy Baez’s season this year and wonder how long a player can realistically survive without an approach at the plate

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EonADSMember since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

That’s my main issue with Robert. His ceiling is insane. Just look at what he did in his partial 2021 season. If he could bottle that production, even with his injury issues, I’d put him in the same tier as Acuna or Tatis. But he can’t. His floor is a bad Javier Baez season. Except not even that, because Baez is a better defender. Baez looks like he might scrape 1.5 WAR this year with a good final stretch, and that’s probably Robert’s best comp for a theoretical bad season.

Last edited 3 years ago by EonADS
MRDXolMember since 2021
3 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

In his brief career, Robert has a 130 wRC+. Baez has only hit that mark (or even 120 for that matter) once in his whole career for a season. He strikes out a lot less, hits the ball harder, didn’t beat it into the ground before this year, and hits a lot more line drives. Baez is a clearly inferior hitter. I’m pretty confident in saying that his floor is still as an above-average player, maybe 3-WAR or so.

TKDCMember since 2016
3 years ago

The second paragraph in the Soto write up doesn’t really make sense. It would apply to anyone. It almost seems like you ranked Soto better because he’s actually maybe available? Anyway, it’s not like I think the ranking is way off, I just don’t get the scarcity comment.

Brian ReinhartMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

It sounds more like “no-one else like him is available,” but yes, that logic would apply equally if someone like Tatis somehow got involved in a fire sale.

joelbarlow
3 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

Maybe, but I do think that he’s probably in the right place on the list. He should be below Alvarez, because Alvarez’s contract is more favorable, but the guy is still tied for the most rest-of-season fWAR projection and he’s young enough that there’s absolutely no reason to think he’ll be worse next season than this one. If you value the near term over the long term, and there are good reasons to do so, Soto is ridiculously valuable no matter how you define “near term”.

jrogersMember since 2017
3 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

I thought it was more to say that a player like Soto has more trade value than someone with more team control and “surplus value from projections” like Bobby Witt, because if they become available, they’re likely the only reliable superstar available. The value of certain production right now without alternatives. So it applies to Soto as it does to Acuña, Ramirez, etc. is how I read it.

CC AFCMember since 2016
3 years ago

Alternate title to this list: Agents Hall of Contract Extension Shame

Jason BMember since 2017
3 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Ozzie Albies: 🙁

Greg SimonsMember since 2016
3 years ago

Sliced bread is nothing compared to the Trade Value series of articles. Thank you, Ben, for all the hard work putting this together!

soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  Greg Simons

And a word of appreciation for the fangraphs commenters too.

In most corners of the internet, the comment section is to be avoided at all costs. This community though – I enjoy and learn from the comments here.

Thanks all!

joelbarlow
3 years ago

Franco’s wRC is/was 103+ this season (also fun that a guy slugging .396 is still slightly in the green, yea Manfred-ball)

I do wonder if there’s like any level of middling performance that makes us even slightly skeptical of our prospect loves, but apparently we’re not there yet. #1 seems high

OtterMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  joelbarlow

I agree, but he’s also 21 and doesn’t strike out and plays short stop. I don’t think he’s #1 but I can easily see the case at the same time.

There are no obvious super stars on **extremely** team friendly contracts currently, this makes finding a true #1 difficult this year. Acuña comes the closest, but he blew out his knee last year and hasn’t been the same. Julio Rodríguez has a compelling case, but he doesn’t have 400 PA so there’s a lot of risk the league adjusts to him and he doesn’t and he goes from super start to a star or very good player. If Buxton was getting on base at all, I think he’d have a compelling case as well.

IMO I think I’d vote Soto #1. Less than 2.5 years of control is less than ideal, but the performance is outstanding and there isn’t as much risk as some others in the top 10/15.

joelbarlow
3 years ago
Reply to  Otter

I’d just like the #1 guy to actually already be demonstrably awesome

and we are losing our minds with player age now – players are better younger and peak earlier. youth sports and player development now compared to even the 80s is a different planet

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  joelbarlow

The projections still love his performance going forward but I’ve been wondering about the Franco hype for a while now. I suspect he’s relatively well-formed because he doesn’t exactly have a ton of power projections, so when I see him getting projected for increases going forward I’m a little skeptical.

All this hand-wringing will probably look silly if he puts up 4.5 wins next year and hovers around that level for the next 8 years, because this placement will look super solid in retrospect. But I’m not sure I quite buy the timeline where he increases his WAR total by 1.5 wins between 2023 and 2027.

joelbarlow
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

this series is a snapshot in time and “trade value” is an inherently speculative process. it’s also never been quite clear if this series is meant to be what the value SHOULD BE or reporting of what it is.

jaysfan39Member
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I think with Franco he could get to 5 WAR with very small changes he is so young that just small refinements on defense, base running, and pitch selection while adding a bit of extra base strength over the next few seasons as he matures could easily lead to a floor of 5 WAR.

He was struggling a bit this year and was still on pace for 3 WAR as a very young 21 year old, add in the length of money on his contract and even though I think #1 might be a little high I think he has to be top 5 and might have a hard time ranking him lower then 3rd.

Dmjn53
3 years ago
Reply to  joelbarlow

the issue here is that Acuna is SLG .398 while Tatis hasn’t played at all, and those are #2 and 3 on the list. 4 is a guy with 390 MLB PA.

The reality is there’s no obvious risk-free superstar on a team friendly deal right now. I honestly would argue for Ramirez to be #1, yes he’s 29 but at least in the near future there’s no question that he’s an elite player on a cheap(ish) AAV

JimmieFoxxalorianMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  joelbarlow

I think he deserves to be #1 based on the performance by age combined with years of control. Even the lowest Franco projections still equate to meaningful value over a long period at a premium position.

That said, I do struggle with the following statement from this piece, “Nothing about this season has changed the industry’s view of Franco.”

Wrist injuries are not to be taken lightly. Regardless of his youth, there is certainly a non-zero risk of lingering issues with his wrist post-surgery, that could possibly impact his hitting ability.

I’m not just throwing that out there as a random outcome, there’s a lot of bones and ligaments and dense tissue in the wrist and not all injuries heal precisely the same. I played ball in my youth, broke my wrist, it appeared to heal fine, but I couldn’t swing a bat with the same authority or lift weights with same ease as the “never-broken” other wrist for even 10 years afterward, despite decent level of fitness. Wrist injuries can be unpredictable.

I’m sure Franco will be carefully handled and will be fine with access to the best medical care possible, but if I think his future is at least a tiny bit less certain than it was pre-injury.

BROD
3 years ago

“Trading for Soto gets you a premium bat — he’s projected to be the best player in baseball each of the next two years according to ZiPS”

Has Ohtani died?

Anyway, short of using steroids, there is no way that Soto, a bat-only player with absolutely zero complementary skill(poor fielding, slow foot speed, weak arm), can be the best player in baseball.

Besides, he’s not even the best hitter. Just compare him with Yordan Alvarez. The only edge that Soto possesses as a baseball player is in his age (only 2 years younger).

And I’m not even getting into the fact that even offensively, Soto is overrated because his offensive value is slanted toward OBP and he’s slow (lots of walks and singles, but not many extra base hits), and that he has trouble elevating the baseball, which you can’t change.

IMO, Soto is the most overrated player in baseball. Star power? His only obvious merit is drawing walks, which is boring.

mikejuntMember
3 years ago
Reply to  BROD

It might bore you, but not making outs is *the most important offensive skill in baseball* and Juan Soto is among the very best players in history at it.

joelbarlow
3 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

love OBP – but it’s also clear teams aren’t pitching to him because there’s not much risk in walking him in any leverage situation

jaysfan39Member
3 years ago
Reply to  joelbarlow

You can certainly make that case this season but in the past he was on a team with very good hitters around him and he still walked as much as he is now. If anything I think the lineup around him is a factor in his worse contact and out of zone contact % this season he has to be pressing a bit considering he never gets anything to hit. His #s this year are pretty impressive for a guy who barely ever gets a pitch to hit if he does get traded I am expecting him to have a big second half on a team where he isn’t the only hitter to worry about

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  joelbarlow

I suppose but as long as we’re dealing in counterfactuals it is not at all clear that pitching to him would produce different bottom-line results.

joelbarlow
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

(also his numbers have declined the last two seasons)

jmbarton13
3 years ago
Reply to  BROD

Agreed. I’ve had this argument elsewhere and it always gets downvoted into oblivion. His defense is also atrocious, like worst outfielder in baseball atrocious. Everyone says stuff like “this isn’t his true talent level. It’ll improve when he’s traded to a contender.”

1. Even if it does improve, he’s still what, a bottom quartile outfielder at the age of 23? That’s not a promising defensive profile.

2. If you think the defense and base running improve with a trade, that basically means you think he’s loafing. I’m not naive; the season is long and there’s no reason to destroy a knee or a shoulder crashing into a wall down 7-2 in the 7th. I’m not wanting to wax poetic about Pete Rose-style hustle, but his defensive numbers are so bad, you can’t just dismiss them as “oh, he’s mailing it in.”

CC AFCMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  jmbarton13

“I’ve had this argument elsewhere and it always gets downvoted into oblivion”

(Internal dialogue: “could this mean I’m wrong? No, it’s the children who are wrong”)

Last edited 3 years ago by CC AFC
joelbarlow
3 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Yes. Soto has somehow become weirdly polarizing. There’s this drumbeat of Next Ted Williams, Generational, Best Player in Baseball… meanwhile he has obvious limitations, his numbers are down, including LD rate, HH rate etc. He’s also highly paid now ( I know he produces a zillion in surplus value but regardless he’s not on a 800K contract anymore) and about to be a FA.

It would be nice to actually have a Ted Williams line right now to go along with it.

slz
3 years ago
Reply to  joelbarlow

I think there are two things at play with Soto. Most importantly, how much you value elite star production *solely with the bat* because he doesn’t provide much elsewhere and then a misjudgment of valuation because you’re projecting his career due to his age without accounting for what you’re actually getting at his age.

Juan Soto being 23 years old is not particularly significant to the team that would be trading for him. You’re acquiring 2.5 years of team control of a player making $17 million this season that will get $20+ and $25+ in arbitration the next two years.

Is Juan Soto’s bat *that* much of an upgrade over what you can get on the market for a bad COF/DH/1B at slightly higher prices? Paul Goldschidmt is on $26m lux tax hits (which is what really matters for the type of teams after Soto) and his contract expires the same time Soto would hit FA. Bryce Harper’s hit is 25 and change. Freeman signed for 27 this offseason. A Pete Alonso extension was estimated at 5/99 by this website 2 months ago. Yordan Alvarez has a higher career wRC+ than Soto and will be making 26m in the bought out years of his deal. You can buy Judge this offseason, he’ll cost more but he can actually play the OF.

Soto’s wRC+ is 154 for his career. Let’s use the Mets as a big market example, where he’d replace Mark Canha who they gave 2/26 this offseason to play LF. Canha has a career 116 wRC+, a gap of 38 to Soto. I’ll be generous and call the defense and baserunning a scratch, although I don’t believe that is the case.

The Mets catching position has put up a wRC+ of about 51 this season. Even accounting for above average defense out of those guys, they add up to 0.3 WAR. Sean Murphy was #37 on this trade list, you would get him for a year longer than Soto and his career wRC+ as a catcher whose value is defense-led is 60 points higher than the Mets production this season.

If you wanted a similar player you would’ve had to buy JT Realmuto two seasons ago. He makes roughly what a bad COF/DH/1B that hits well gets on the market (adjusted down a couple mil due to catcher PT – MLB seems pretty at good this, huh), except there isn’t one or two of those guys available every year.

This exercise in roster flexibility and positional adjustment is before you give Soto 40m a year until the year Druw Jones’ kid is in the draft.

jmbarton13
3 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Yes, because group think certainly isn’t in play here.

rmgxt9
3 years ago
Reply to  jmbarton13

if a group thinks something then obviously the opposite is true.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  jmbarton13

Have you been reading the comments on these pieces? What’s the opposite of groupthink?

68FCMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  jmbarton13

He was an above average corner outfielder in 2019 and 2021 per just about every fielding metric (UZR has him at -0.7 in 2019, but DRS & OAA have him in the green). It is all way down this year, but there is little reason to think it can’t improve. The obvious comparison is 2018 Bryce Harper who was in a walk year on a middling Nats team and clearly didn’t try on defense and posted one of the worst defensive seasons by an outfielder in recent memory. Harper has been a plus fielder in every season since.

The way people talk about Soto’s defensive numbers you would think he was obliterating negative defensive runs records. He isn’t Nick Castellanos out there, not even close. Since the start of 2020, his defensive value has been equivalent of Robbie Grossman and better than Christian Yelich and Tommy Pham. We have a pretty good sample size to say that Soto is a roughly average to slightly below average corner outfielder. No one is declaring Mark Canha or Randy Arozarena as DHs when they are the guys with defensive value around Soto’s in any sample that extends beyond 2022.

Mule
3 years ago
Reply to  BROD

Ohtani’s career fWAR since 2018:18.7
Soto’s career fWAR since 2018: 21.2

And Soto doesn’t even pitch.

Lanidrac
3 years ago
Reply to  Mule

Ohtani was injured and didn’t pitch for much of that time. He also used to get more days off than he does now and usually didn’t get to hit on the days he pitched.

Mule
3 years ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

Yep, exactly. You have to be on the field to produce. Ohtani, because of his unique skill set, has a much higher risk of injury. which was a concern when he signed. You can’t ignore health concerns when you value players.

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slz
3 years ago
Reply to  Mule

Can you ignore Soto’s old man skills and his body that already looks 10 years older than it is?

Mule
3 years ago
Reply to  slz

Can I ignore speculation based upon personal opinion? Yep.

If age is your concern then Ohtani is five years older and has much more wear and tear on his body. He’s also spent a lot more time on the IL since they both entered the league in ’18.

Now if decline due to Soto’s old man skills concerns you then no need to worry, he’s only under control for two years, making that risk minimal if a team trades for him. I highly doubt Soto is washed up by 25.

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TKDCMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  BROD

If Juan Soto bores you, baseball might not be for you. I don’t even like him (solely due to his destruction of my team on a regular basis), but I go to a lot of Nats games and I’ll even step out of the beer line to not miss his ABs. You may not know me, but it really takes a lot to get me to step out of a beer line.

68FCMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  BROD

I would guess that he overlooked Ohtani in that statement because Ohtani’s value is split into two different ZiPS projections so he doesn’t appear at the top of the list when sorted.

Ukranian to Vietnamese to French is back
3 years ago
Reply to  BROD

“In exchange for Sot, he received a top bat – he will beat the best baseball player in the next two hours of the ZyPS premium.

Is Ohtany dead?

In any case, with the exception of steroids, there is no chance that Soto, a baseball player with absolutely no positive skills (bad hitting, slow foot speed, weak arm), can become the greatest baseball player.

In addition, he is still the best striker. Compare yourself to Jordan Alvarez. The only advantage Soto has as a baseball player is his age (only 2 hours younger).

And now we got into that, and the offensive hundredth assessment is that the offensive attack is in favor of the OBP, and he is a spore (a lot of walks and singles, but there is no more than a base hit) and he is struggling to raise the bar in baseball, which you can’t change it.

Soto is an overrated baseball player. Is Zorya a strong country? This is a very clear loan – little damping is wonderful.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago

You know I think Future Value is important, and I know you know I think Future Value is important.

But at some point, you do have to take present value into account. Because present value can give you a very strong clue as to future value.

And the Top three players on this list have combined for 2.6 fWAR this season.

I’m not at all worried about Acuna, I buy the logic there. And if you were worried about Acuna but not worried that much about Franco or Tatis Jr., I think that makes sense too. But when all of the top 3 on this list have so many question marks…IDK. I’m not even sure that Tatis Jr. belongs in the Top 10 based on his injury history, and I think there is a very real chance that Franco is more Jean Segura than Derek Jeter.

After reading this, I’d probably order them Rodriguez – Acuna – Alvarez – Franco with Tatis somewhere near #10 or #11. I think that’s about as high as I can put Franco and Tatis Jr.

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Left of Centerfield
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Robert ought to be lower as well, right? Lots of missed time the past two years and modest WAR projections.

Two years ago, he was #14 with WAR projections that are similar to what he has now. But he’s lost two years of cheap control. And last year he was #30, though with slightly lower WAR projections than what he has now. But he’s also lost a year of cheap control. His current ranking makes little sense compared to how he’s been ranked in the past.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago

To be fair, the guy had some serious bat to ball issues that are slightly less scary now than in the past. I kind of think he should’ve been in the 10-12 range this whole time because even though he has fewer years of team control I’m be less worried his offensive game would totally implode (despite what the projections say).

mikejuntMember
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I understand some misgivings about having Tatis’s injury history and Franco’s not-entirely-realized-potential at the top, but I don’t think that’s an excuse for jamming a guy with 3 months of MLB production (and really significantly less team control) ahead of them. Rodriguez seems fun and good, but he’s way too much the shiny object of the moment for a lot of baseball fans.

The fielding thusfar (not a huge sample) suggests more fine than excellent, and the on base skills are not remarkable yet, which is probably the biggest limiter on his ceiling. Franco’s got that as well, but at least has a longer minor league history of being good at it and is controllable for more than twice as long.

I think this is a weird year for this column because I think the top 7 or so are basically interchangable depending on personal preferences and how you believe teams value players. That isn’t usually the case; its usually fairly clear who the top 1-3 are and they rise comfortably above the rest. Here there’s really a top tier that is most of this list and you could probably arrange them in a hundred ways.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

I disagree on Julio Rodriguez but I do agree on your last paragraph. It’s true, back when Jose Ramirez was playing on that small contract it was super obvious he was going to be #1 or #2, with other guys like Lindor, Trout on his pre-mega-extension, or Acuna on his post-mega-extension in there too. The distance between #1 and #7 seems nonexistent here in comparison to past years.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

Okay, now that I’ve agreed with you in the big picture, let me tell you about Julio Rodriguez. ZiPs projects his rest-of-season WAR to be 1.7 per 184 PAs, which comes out to 5.5 wins per 600, and this is him at age 21. Sure, there’s always a risk of backsliding but that’s more theoretical when a guy is 21 years old and smashing major league hitting like this. If he’s already fully formed product, he’s definitely already better than Franco today and he’s almost certainly going to be better over the next six years than him as well. And if he’s not fully formed, then he has Tatis Jr.-like upside without the injury risk (which is enormous and makes Tatis Jr’s mega contract very concerning).

At some point, I think we do have to discount future value. I’m not sure when that is, but after five or six years I think it’s fairly justifiable. If you’re a GM, you might literally not even be in the game at that point (or even alive if you’re unlucky). And I think we have to be pretty skeptical about projections that stretch much past a half-decade.

joelbarlow
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

There is like a 50% chance this season is the highest WAR Julio ever posts

dnc
3 years ago
Reply to  joelbarlow

I’ll gladly take that bet. 90th or better percentile in avg exit velo, max exit velo, hard hit %, barrel %, sprint speed, and outs above average. Buxton is the only other player who can say that and Julio has big age, injury history and contract edges over Buxton.

I just don’t see that as a profile that is unlikely to continue to produce.

dnc
3 years ago
Reply to  dnc

Juilo also has the third highest 5 year WAR projection on the entire list. I don’t think there’s close to a 50% chance this is his best season.

joelbarlow
3 years ago
Reply to  dnc

well we know basically with certainty his base running and defense will go down starting now. Injuries exist. Regression exists. It’s not an insult to say someone may only have one 6 WAR season in their career.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  joelbarlow

I count exactly 25 position player-seasons over 6 WAR in age 21 season or earlier:

Trout (2)
Hornsby
Shoeless Joe Jackson
A-Rod
Eddie Matthews
Jimmie Foxx
Mel Ott (2)
Rickey
Cesar Cedeno
Al Kaline (2)
Pujols
Ted Williams (2)
Andruw Jones
Ty Cobb (2)
Griffey Jr.
Mickey Mantle
Frank Robinson
Arky Vaughan
Donie Bush
Tris Speaker

Donie Bush in 1909 is the only one who didn’t produce at least one season over 6 WAR after age 21. Some of these guys were pretty good!

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cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

If you lower the threshold to 5 WAR, which is essentially what he’s projected for, you pick up Hank Aaron, Sherry Magee, another Frank Robinson, Soto, Acuna, Stan Musial, Hal Trotsky, Tom Brunansky, Johnny Bench, Joe Morgan, Vada Pinson, Manny Machado.

Brunansky is the worst of the lot. Everyone else is either in the Hall or finished close to 50 WAR.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  dnc

So I guess I’d counter-argue that if Julio Rodriguez gets to 6 WAR this year there’s a 50+% chance that he’s an all-time great, and essentially zero chance that it’s the best season of his career.

joelbarlow
3 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

let’s circle back on this in a decade

mikejuntMember
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

A guy with average defensive metrics and a .336 obp simply can’t be one of the best players in baseball, is my response. Maybe it will come, but until it does his ceiling is a lot lower than guys who can reach .370-380 much less .400

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

Wait, are you describing Julio Rodriguez or Wander Franco? Wander Franco has a .308 OBP and average defensive metrics, and is projected by Steamer to have a .336 OBP for the rest of the season (ZiPs is at .332).

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TheUncool
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

He probably meant Julio (considering his reply to yours about his skepticism of your initial skepticism of Wander vs Julio, LOL).

berychanceMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

+5 OAA, +2 DRS, and -0.6 UZR in CF seems like above average defensive metrics to me. Also, they were explicitly making the point that he might get better offensively, so using his current .336 OBP seems pretty disingenuous. ZiPS projects this to improve to .353 and .361 over the next couple of years.

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kylesch87
3 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

“A guy with average defensive metrics and a .336 obp simply can’t be one of the best players in baseball, is my response.”

Why not? What if he hits 150 home runs a year? What if his average defense is split between his time as a catcher and a pitcher? What if he steals 2nd and 3rd every time he’s on first? Baseball is way too complicated to just throw out two parts of a player’s profile and dismiss every other way that guy can contribute. Especially when discussing a 21-year old that was a top-5 prospect and is still in his rookie season.

will1331Member since 2019
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Dan Szymborski said it best…

Rodríguez is one of a handful of 22-and-unders to receive a three-WAR projection in ZiPS, a list that consists entirely of stars and Gregory Polanco. 

Sometimes players are telling us how good they are and we should just listen, not complain about small sample size in MLB.

jrogersMember since 2017
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I absolutely love Julio Rodriguez, every part of his game and makeup. But it’s also got me wondering, what’s true about Rodriguez that didn’t also appear true about Jason Heyward?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  jrogers

It’s the power, mostly. The power is real, 70-grade raw power. Right now it’s only 25-30 homer game power but there’s so much where that came from it’s unlikely to be a fluke, and Heyward was never much of a power hitter.

But I’ll tell you what–if a guy posts a 134 wRC+ in his rookie season at age 20 or 21 and I say he’s going to be superstar and then he isn’t, I will own that loss.

And Jason Heyward isn’t exactly a bad outcome. If you told me that Heyward was going to follow up his excellent rookie year with 20.6 fWAR over his next 5 years and I have to answer for the crime of saying Julio Rodriguez has stardom written all over him I’ll own that too!

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joelbarlow
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

remember when we were all obsessed with Jason Heyward, Andrelton Simmons and Jurickson Profar…

FrancoeursteinMember since 2025
3 years ago
Reply to  joelbarlow

Were we? Simmons was never a top 100 guy

tipaion
3 years ago
Reply to  jrogers

By bWAR, Jason Heyward’s 2015 was even better than his 2010; by fWAR, his first season was only his *fourth* best, so even a Heyward outcome still results in Julio having a better season than this in the future.

He’s also so good so young that we’re talking about someone who put up 30-40 WAR as the worst case outcome.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  tipaion

Well, no, the worst case outcome is that Julio gets hooked on drugs and flames out of the league. But that’s quite unlikely. 30-40 WAR is probably more like a 50th percentile outcome.

But for the next 5 or 6 years, I’m pretty sure Julio Rodriguez is going to be great. If he stays healthy (always a big “if”, and probably responsible for most of the bad outcomes) it’s hard to imagine him ending the 2027 season with less than 20 career fWAR, and I expect he’ll have quite a bit more. After that I’m not so sure.

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steveo
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Agreed. I’d probably drop Vlad too, since he hits too many grounders to be a truly elite hitter and is a poor defender as well. Not to mention he’s about to start getting expensive through arb raises. He definitely belongs somewhere on the list but top 10 feels too rich. I’m not worried about Acuna either, but he might be having some mechanical issue with his swing since he has a career high in grounders by a lot.

jaysfan39Member
3 years ago
Reply to  steveo

I’m a Jays fan so obviously take this with a massive grain of salt but I think when you consider that this season could represent Vlad’s floor moving forward where it seems likely he will finish with close to 40 HRs, 100 RBIs, 100 runs & 4+ WAR while having the ability to put up a season like last year and still only being 23 years old rightfully earns him this high of a ranking.

Also his defense at 1st has been improving pretty steadily he is ranked as the third best 1st baseman defensively by fangraphs, 6th best by OAA & 2nd in defensive runs saved by BR.

Also in a list with so many injury concerns his availability is outstanding he plays everyday including playing thru a sore wrist this year during May when he had easily his worst hitting month which is dragging down his season line a fair bit. May WRC+ 92, April 142, June 162 & July 142 so far.

Like I said grain of salt but I expect a healthy Vlad to have a big finish to the year

baubo
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

While what you’re saying is true, it’s also clear that if Houston/Minnesota were offered one of Tatis/France/Acuna for Tucker/Buxton respectively (bonafide all-stars with good team control), both teams would say yes in a nanosecond assuming physicals check out.

What Fangraphs trade value chart is doing is simply reflecting on the way teams operate. Even if it’s a very cynical view of the game that only look at players through the lens of how low their earning potential is compared to how high their production can be.

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  baubo

Well I also think Buxton should be lower too, so I agree with you on that point. I’m a whole lot less certain about Tucker for Tatis Jr or Franco, especially since I tend to agree that there’s a case for Franco being on the Top 5 of this list.

OtterMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

What’s been the most eye opening to me in this process is how few extremely team friendly contracts exist these days. Sure all these contracts are team friendly at some level, but there isn’t anyone who is hilariously underpaid (on a extension at least, obviously all the pre-arb/arb guys are). So making this list is probably more difficult that prior years.

Franco has been fine but not anything special this year. Acuna has not been the same since returning from a serious knee injury. Tatis hasn’t played. Rodriguez doesn’t have much of a MLB track record, though the early returns are fantastic. Alvarez is great, but only brings value with his bat, thus has more risk than most hitters. Soto is about to get moved because he doesn’t have a ton of team control left (relatively). Jose Ramírez’s contract covers a number of downside years. Robert swings too much. Vlad is a year closer to FA and has only been very good with his bat. Alcantara is a pitcher. The other two players I think who would have a shout at #1; Buxton, can’t get on base this year, and Ohtani has even less control than Soto.

jreyn24Member since 2025
3 years ago
Reply to  Otter

This is a good point. Nearly all the comments I’m reading are talking about Player X or Player Y needing to be lower on the list, but almost none are about who should be higher/who should take their place.

Just because a player is listed #1 in 2022 doesn’t make him as valuable as a player listed #1 in 2021, 2020 etc. That probably points to this year as probably just an anomaly in terms of certainty and risk compared to years past.

There’s enough enthusiasm around the Trade Value series it would be fun if someone did a meta comparison of all the players and values over the years. 2016 #2 Correa vs 2021 #3 Tatis Jr. vs 2014 #3 Goldschmidt….

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  jreyn24

It’s funny, I originally decided that Franco couldn’t be higher than #10 but when you look at the other alternatives…well, he probably makes the top 5.

I think I’d go:
1) Rodriguez
2) Acuna
3) Alvarez
4) Franco
5) Ramirez
6) Soto
(and then there’s a pretty big gap)
7) Vlad Jr.
8) Tucker
9) Adley Rutschman (you could flip Tucker and Rustchman, probably)
(another gap)
10) McClanahan
11) Alcantara
12) Robert
13) Tatis Jr
14) Buxton (you could reorder these last 5 a few different ways, I think)

How does that sound for moving guys up? Rodriguez, Alvarez, Ramirez, Tucker, Adley, and McClanahan up; Franco, Robert, Tatis Jr., and Buxton down.

jreyn24Member since 2025
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

All of these players+contracts are great but imperfect so this list is as defensible as Ben’s. I like the placement of the gaps to break out the tiers.

My remark about the comments mostly wanting to move players down instead of up was not specifically calling you or anyone else out. It was just a sentiment that made me wonder how the players/contracts from 2022 compared to past years.

kylesch87
3 years ago
Reply to  jreyn24

#1: Mike Trout
#2: Mike Trout
#3: Mike Trout
#4: Mike Trout
#5: Mike Trout

tomerafan
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

If that were really the case then Kyle Tucker would be top-6.

kid
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

How are you not worried about Acuna?

I asked the comment section for examples of players who had significant performance dropoff following a significant injury, and everyone said “Sizemore, Fielder, David Wright”. Uhh, all of those players were never the same after their injuries. In fact, the data overwhelmingly says that a) most players don’t see performance dropoff the season after major injury, and b) if you do see a performance dropoff in the following season, that’s a massive red flag for your career. Almost all of the game’s best hitters have had significant injuries at some point: Freeman wrist, Harper knee/wrist, Yordan hand, Trout hammy/back, Judge various things, Seager various things… not one of them has seen a *200 point drop* in slugging %, or seen their ISO be cut in half.

Anon21Member since 2018
3 years ago

That’s a gut punch projection for Acuña. Last year ZiPS saw him as +27.8 WAR over 5 years and now he’s down to +18.8–basically from a 5.5 per year rate to a 3.5 rate. I deeply hope that turns out to be wrong, not just because it will significantly impact the Braves’ fortunes but because full-power Acuña is an absolute joy to watch.

kylerkelton
3 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

I bet a lot of that is due to injury uncertainty. He hasn’t had a full season of health in a few years now.

Anon21Member since 2018
3 years ago
Reply to  kylerkelton

I don’t know that it makes sense to count 2020 against him healthwise. I don’t recall why he ended up missing 14 games out of 60, but I think I would recall if it was anything notable.

I hope you’re right and this is just a playing time adjustment rather than a production adjustment. With due respect to projectors including Dan, I think the error bars around playing time are so large as to be somewhat meaningless.

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TKDCMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

Yeah, it makes no sense. Acuña’s one injury, the ACL, is very concerning, but other than that he’s played over 90% of his team’s games.

Uncle SpikeMember since 2020
3 years ago

Love the list. Thanks for all your hard work, Ben! Just a thought, would you consider adding projected salaries for the arbitration years next year? You’re already projecting their WAR so it probably wouldn’t be that difficult to project arb salaries as well. It’s just a little tough to get a sense for what their actual surplus value is without doing a lot of math.

markakis21
3 years ago

Julio at #4 is hilarious to me. I mean, I get it with the listed projections, but those projections seem wildly off.

joelbarlow
3 years ago
Reply to  markakis21

in which direction?

Matt GreeneMember since 2025
3 years ago

Big relief that Julio wasn’t ranked #6

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Matt Greene

That’s a deep cut, in multiple ways.

pezzicle
3 years ago

Give me that ZiPS prediction all day for Ramirez. Another 4 years of elite production sounds great

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
3 years ago
Reply to  pezzicle

I agree.

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
3 years ago

Thanks, Ben. This is always a great read every year.

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
3 years ago

What kinda surprised me in the Yordan write-up is that ZiPS projects Aaron Judge to be a top-ten player in WAR in the next five years. Obviously, the talent is not a question, but it’s a bit surprising to see from a player who is going to be 31 next season, and I’m sure there’s a playing time hit to him as well.

v2miccaMember since 2016
3 years ago

So, hypothetical question. Should injuries cause Tatis to fail to crack 300 Plate appearances once again in 2023, how far would that drop him on the trade value chart?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  v2micca

It depends whether it’s because of his shoulder. If it’s because of his shoulder he could very well be into honorable mention territory.

Although, realistically, if you made him a DH or first baseman and he hit like he did in 2021 for many years he could still be worth the contract.

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shortstop
3 years ago

Where’s Patrick Corbin? His name keeps popping up in trade rumors with pretty substantial returns for WAS, so it seems like he should be high up on the list.

miltonfriedman
3 years ago
Reply to  shortstop

What???????? He is terrible and has a really bad contract!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dnc
3 years ago
Reply to  shortstop

Well done

Ben SchneiderMember since 2020
3 years ago

As much effort as goes into this list, I find it hard to believe that Soto isn’t first overall. Not that this would happen, but if a team offered anyone else in the top ten for Soto, Rizzo would still require more in return.

shortstop
3 years ago
Reply to  Ben Schneider

That’s because any other player in the top 10 wouldn’t fit with what the Nats are trying to do. It seems likely they will want to spread out their return in the form of multiple high-end prospects rather than a single superstar. Also, while the Nats might turn down an offer of, say, Julio for Soto straight-up, the Mariners would *also* reject that same deal.

idliaminMember since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  shortstop

…and insist that the Nats also include Patrick Corbin.

Anon21Member since 2018
3 years ago
Reply to  Ben Schneider

You think that if the Rays for some reason wanted to give up Franco, or the Braves agreed to move Acuña, Rizzo would say no? I don’t think that’s right. Washington’s major “problem” with Soto is that they are highly likely to suck in 2023 and 2024. But the players higher on the list are under control much longer than that, and you have to figure the Nationals do intend to try to build a winner in the next 3-5 years, at which point any of the higher-ranked players would be a core part of their foundation.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Ben Schneider

Wait, what? I am very confident that he would trade Soto for Wander Franco or Julio Rodriguez. There isn’t a single better way to kick off a rebuild than having a guy like that under team control forever.

And while he’d only be trading for Yordan Alvarez or Acuna to flip them for prospects, I think it would be on the table anyway.

Not that any of these are even remotely likely but…no, you’re wrong about this. Sorry man.

TKDCMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Acuña has more team control than Rodriguez.

dnc
3 years ago
Reply to  Ben Schneider

I know Dave Cameron used to directly address these type of hypotheticals when he started the series (as did Bill Simmons who started the series that inspired Dave’s). In short, this isn’t the question the series is trying to answer.

But even if it were your analysis would be wrong because it’s incomplete. The question wouldn’t just be “would team X trade Player A to team Y For Player B?” You would have to at least ask the question in reverse as well. But the Mariners and Rays are turning down that one for one deal much more quickly than the Nats.

In context of what Clemens is doing here your analysis is even more incomplete because here the question is league-wide value, not how their present GM’s value them. But at the very least you would need to ask the question both directions to get any sort of honest answer for the question you are raising.

dnc
3 years ago
Reply to  dnc

But also, yes, the Nats would jump at those one for one deals.

dodgerbleu
3 years ago
Reply to  dnc

I think the Mariners/Rays turn down a 1-1 because they’d not need to be in a position where A. They are looking for a corner OF and B . Have a replacement for the guy they’re dealing.

If the M’s needed a corner OF, they aren’t going to trade their one good corner OF for him (sorry, Winks, but Seattle ain’t accentuating that skill set).

The Rays though. Maybe. Not a 1-1. But, if the Nats offered Soto, $15MM and a good high upside lottery ticket that won’t give 40 man pressure like Vaquero or Green and asked for Wander and a corner IF they don’t have room for after this year like Paredes or Aranda, might they be interested? The specifics don’t matter – concept being – if both teams added enough parts that esssentially wash out value wise but fill needs, would they make the trade? Rays get Sosot, they get $5MM for his salary in 23, $10MM in 24, solve at least one 40 man spot. Nats get two controllable players to build around, a building block and a controllable complimentary piece. Legitimate question – who says no there?

I still don’t think this would happen, just that if a trade were to happen, I believe it’s be a package deal. Wander and stuff for Soto and stuff.

miltonfriedman
3 years ago

I offered Sadtrombone about 9 months ago: Skubal,Torkelson, and Baddoo for Wander, and he turned it down. LOL

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  miltonfriedman

And I’d do it again!

miltonfriedman
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

B.S. I actually believe I gave you the choice of Manning or Mize instead of Baddoo. Lol. You would get fired

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  miltonfriedman

You could add either one to Skubal, Tork, and Baddoo and I still wouldn’t do it. If you added both of them plus Greene I’d think about it. Not sure where I’d land.

Just in terms of surplus value I’m not confident that the entire Tigers organization has as much as Wander Franco, but at some point you’d have to just assume the extra depth you’re getting is worth it.

And I’m a Franco skeptic, comparatively speaking.

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jaysfan39Member
3 years ago
Reply to  miltonfriedman

Yeah it is probably closer now after Skubal’s season but Torkelson had a terrible year and I am not convinced Baddoo will ever hit enough to be a regular in MLB, I would turn this down pretty quickly and that is with me still having a pretty high belief that Torkelson will eventually be a good hitter for a long time.

MRDXolMember since 2021
3 years ago
Reply to  miltonfriedman

i want somebody to love me even half as much as you love middling tigers prospects

dnc
3 years ago
Reply to  miltonfriedman

You offered what are now two HM’s and a guy who doesn’t get mentioned for the current #1 trade value and you’re trying to dunk on the guy for saying no?

LOL indeed.

Uncle SpikeMember since 2020
3 years ago

I just don’t think the risk of Tatis’ contract is being taken into account enough when ranking him higher than someone like Julio. After this year, he has $332M and 10 years remaining. If he’s the 5 WAR player ZIPs pegs him at, even during his early years, he’s still only giving you ~$10M in surplus value per year (based on $8.5M per win). In years 8-10, he’s probably around market rate and the final few years the contract is probably under water.

The biggest issue though is, if he turns into a pumpkin tomorrow, and given his injury history it’s not completely out of the question, you’re on the hook for $332M. Whereas if Julio turns into a pumpkin, there’s virtually no risk. Even as he enters arbitration, you always have the option to just non-tender him. These are extreme examples but $0 risk and $332M is an enormous delta.

RoyalsFan#14321Member since 2024
3 years ago

I fucking love this series, look forward to it each year, and constantly refer back to it the rest of the year.

Thanks, Ben.

mike sixelMember since 2016
3 years ago

Agreed. Thanks for the great work!

res
3 years ago

I find it bloated and full of hubris. If it’s so prescient why do 30 teams even bother with their own analysis? After all , everything here is free. You can be a member for the low low price of a couple bucks a month.

WalterBishop
3 years ago

Acuña has been an albatross in 2022 who’s team is winning in spite of him. It’s only a matter of time before he’s dropped in the order. In 2021 his team took off once he got injured. He’s also a player who had beef with one of the most beloved guys in the game, Freddie Freeman. Then, with 8 HR and coming off a brutal June month, this dude decides to participate in the HR derby.

Would being considered a poor teammate lower a guys trade value? I guess not.

Anon21Member since 2018
3 years ago
Reply to  WalterBishop

This is an extremely dumb comment.

jaysfan39Member
3 years ago
Reply to  WalterBishop

There is a lot of work being done here to convince yourself that he is a poor teammate and the idea that the Braves won last year because he was hurt is a laughable stretch.

Jason BMember since 2017
3 years ago
Reply to  WalterBishop

Tell us you’re an old white dude without telling us you’re an old white dude

miltonfriedman
3 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

Tell us you are a middle-aged white dude that lives in a gated community without telling us

res
3 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

This is both agesist, racist and classist. Comments like this have no place in a rational humanist modern blog. Flagged and reported. I’m surprised you didn’t make fun of the posters gender identity. Shame.

dodgerbleu
3 years ago
Reply to  res

Guess I didn’t know you could flag or report. Good to know. And of course it’s 100% apprortiate for you to do so here.

benderMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  WalterBishop

1) Acuna was the most valuable player in the NL last year at the time of his injury. He still almost led the Braves in fWAR despite playing only half of the year
2) Acuna is #23 in xwOBA this year despite coming off of a major injury (note: for batters with more than 100 PAs)

68FCMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  WalterBishop

I don’t think not getting along with Freddie Freeman makes someone a bad teammate. Freeman is well liked, but known as a bit of a redass and it’s not like he has effortlessly meshed into the Dodgers clubhouse yet. I don’t think not getting along with any one person says much about how someone is as a teammate. Except maybe Mike Sweeney, if you don’t get along with Mike Sweeney, then you probably don’t get along with anyone.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  68FC

I don’t trust anyone who doesn’t get along with Curtis Granderson.

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TKDCMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  WalterBishop

How dare the leading vote-getter for the all star game participate in a popular contest that is designed to entertain the very same fans that made him the lead vote-getter in the all star game.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2025
3 years ago

It’s depressing how many star players are chronically injured in todays game. I don’t have any data to back this up, but it seems like it is higher than ever. Trout, Tatis, Acuña, and Franco are a few guys off the top of my head that are enormously talented, but have been plagued by chronic nagging injuries

miltonfriedman
3 years ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

Franco isn’t a star. A highly overrated prospect

res
3 years ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

A lot of shit players too. No different than ever. It’s an old game.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2025
3 years ago
Reply to  res

Not sure if I agree with you res. Plenty of studs in the league

kylerkelton
3 years ago

“…he’s still the only 80 FV prospect the site has had in the Future Value era.” And I’m still baffled by this. There has never been any doubt about Wander’s skills, but as I understand it, 80 is the grade for “best player in baseball” and nothing about Wander’s profile has ever suggested that. He makes a ton of contact, sprays the ball around, switch hits, has decent (not game-changing) power, and plays a decent (not plus) SS. That’s a great player! But not an 80 grade player. It just feels like he’s cut more from the Ben Zobrist/Daniel Murphy/Michael Young cloth. All good to really good players who provided lots of value to their teams! But not 80 grade players.

68FCMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  kylerkelton

Think of it as the upside to be 2022 Freddie Freeman offensively, but while playing above average shortstop. It isn’t too hard to see how that could be the best player in baseball.

kylerkelton
3 years ago
Reply to  68FC

What about Franco’s profile suggests to you that he has Freddie Freeman upside?

68FCMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  kylerkelton

He has higher max exit velo than Freeman and better contact rates. Their baseball savant pages look like Freeman is the perfectly actualized version of Franco’s underlying talent. Freeman is the ideal version of the profile described (minus the switch hitting). If Franco can get more consistent hard contact, lift the ball more, and control the zone better, I don’t see any reason he can’t get there.

Those are obviously huge leaps to make, but the scouting community seems to think he can get there and he is producing in the majors at the age of a draft eligible college player.

joelbarlow
3 years ago
Reply to  68FC

he won’t be that player defensively by the time that offense is there

68FCMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  joelbarlow

Maybe, but the consensus seems to be that he will stick as short and even as just an average SS he can be 8+ win player. Think 2021 Tatis but getting to offense in a different way.

RoyalsFan#14321Member since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  kylerkelton

His numbers aren’t eye-popping this year, but he’s 21. We don’t have a lot to compare him to, he came up last year as a 20 year old and absolutely came through on all of his promise. Met Ott is like the only player to do that, right?

68FCMember since 2020
3 years ago

Franco is younger than 3 of the guys just taken in the top 10 of the draft and is less than 6 months older than 3 more.

tung_twista
3 years ago
Reply to  kylerkelton

When Zobrist was Franco’s age, he was a college student, six years before recording first positive WAR as a major leaguer.
When Murphy was Franco’s age, he was hitting OPS .612 in Rookie and A- league.
When Young was Franco’s age, he hit OPS .810 in single A.

I could go on, but you get the idea.
Most 21 year olds playing at 4 war per season pace improve in the near future.

kylerkelton
3 years ago
Reply to  tung_twista

I was mainly referring to their hitting profiles. High contact guys with decent but not big power. Michael Young’s career batting line was .300/.346/.441. That’ll play. If Wander ends his career with that slash line his career will have been very successful.

MikeD
3 years ago

“…and (Franco) will be a Ray for more than a decade to come.”

Do we have a betting line on this?

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diamonddores
3 years ago

Franco has to be the least exciting of the young superstar talents that have gotten to the MLB level over the past 5-6 years. Seems to have a super high floor, but I don’t see a ceiling anywhere near as high as that of a Tatis, Vladdy, Acuna, Soto, etc.

I hope he is able to stay healthy and maybe adds some power and starts walking more

68FCMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  diamonddores

The underlying ability seems to be there to unlock more power, he is in the 86th percentile in max exit velo. He just doesn’t get to it consistently enough yet and he doesn’t have ideal launch angle. Scouts seem to think he can figure that out and if he does he has elite upside if he can get to 25-30 HR power. He’s still about the same age as the college draftees from last week.

confortofanMember since 2020
3 years ago

Loved this series, thanks Ben!

Max Power
3 years ago

My biggest worries about Ramirez is that if he were traded to a team outside of Ohio, he might just retire and play for the indy ball Lake Erie Crushers.

viceroyMember since 2020
3 years ago

Surprised there’s no mention of Yordan’s Knees. I have to imagine it depresses his value but I don’t see how healthy Yordan has more trade value that any of the other top 5.

kid
3 years ago

On Acuna, I am definitely not a doctor nor do I claim to be a medical expert, but I cannot for the life of me recall a player struggling so much with performance following a serious injury.

If I’m missing a case, please help me out, but I mean Buster Posey’s leg/ankle exploded on a home-plate collision 45 games into the 2011 season… and Posey played 148 games in 2012 batting .339/.408/.549 on his way to NL MVP… *as a catcher*.

And then I’m watching Yordan Alvarez bash home runs every other day in-between IL stints for his wrist, and Trout smashing 30 homers while battling “Costovertebral Dysfunction”, and Bryce Harper hitting bombs with a torn arm ligament.
I get it – not my knee, I don’t know what level of discomfort/pain he’s going through… don’t disagree. But he’s getting 3 ABs in the ASG and participating in the HR derby and on a 50-steal pace… how hurt can he really be?

tung_twista
3 years ago
Reply to  kid

> I cannot for the life of me recall a player struggling so much with performance following a serious injury.

There are so many examples but may I introduce you to one Grady Sizemore?

Age 21-26
788G wrc+ 125 30.4 war (5.0 WAR/600PA)

Left elbow surgery

Age 27-32
313G wrc+ 84 -0.7 war

Professor Ross Eforp
3 years ago
Reply to  tung_twista

Man Grady Sizemore was awesome at baseball. He might have been the best player in the world for ages 23-25 and by 27 he was done for all intents and purposes.

I am only 37, but I would be really hard pressed to think of another player who was on such an all-time legend trajectory that got chopped down by injury like that. I am sure there are some historical examples, but what a shame.

kid
3 years ago
Reply to  tung_twista

Grady Sizemore got hurt in 2009 and never recovered.

His career was over.

Is that the comp you’e making?

Anon21Member since 2018
3 years ago
Reply to  kid

I think there are probably literally hundreds of cases in Major League history in which a player returning from a serious injury suffered a comparable or greater drop in performance. Prince Fielder. Grady Sizemore. Ken Griffey Jr. David Wright. Dustin Pedroia. Do you mean only guys who didn’t subsequently return to the IL with the same or a related injury?

kid
3 years ago
Reply to  Anon21

Sizemore, Wright and Fielder’s careers were over after their injuries – they never got close to being the players they were before.

Is that really the comp you want to make with Acuna? Because that would make his #2 ranking on this list look awful silly.

Anon21Member since 2018
3 years ago
Reply to  kid

You asked the question, man. I don’t think any of them are particularly good comps, but you asked a weird question and I answered it.

68FCMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  kid

He tore his ACL 12 months ago. That used to be a 12-18 month injury with another year until they were back to normal. He was back 9 months later and has been playing at a 3 WAR pace instead of an 8 WAR pace. How spoiled have we become that a player can suffer a serious injury and we question “how hurt can he really be?” when they don’t play quite as well when they come back.

If this happened 20 years ago, we’d all be hoping Acuna would be able to make his return in September this year with nothing expected out of him until next year, and even then there would be some expectation that he wouldn’t be 100% right away.

Hundreds if not thousands of athletes have suffered major injuries and were never able to perform at a world class or major league level again. Acuna tears his ACL and 9 months later is merely playing like an all-star and you are complaining?

kid
3 years ago
Reply to  68FC

LOL this is a list about the top trade assets in all of baseball and yeah I think it’s a pretty big deal if Acuna goes from being a perennial 140-150 wRC+ player to a 110 wRC+ player.

I see this argument made a lot re: Acuna: “He’s still an above average hitter”. OK, fine, but the number 2 trade asset in the entire world should be better than an “above average hitter”, correct? And if he’s not 100%, why in the world is he playing in the ASG when his team is in the middle of a heated playoff race?

Spacelord
3 years ago

Julio Rodriguez has basically the same K% and SwStr% as Tatis Jr so I don’t see how that’s a knock on Julio here. Julio is younger and cheaper and so far hasn’t crashed a motorcycle so it’s crazy to me that he is lower.

Anon21Member since 2018
3 years ago
Reply to  Spacelord

Julio is younger and cheaper and so far hasn’t crashed a motorcycle so it’s crazy to me that he is lower.

Well, he’s done it for 393 PAs and Tatis has done it for 1175 PAs. I realize it’s a very not-nice thought that Rodriguez could start hitting much worse, but it’s a risk one needs to keep in mind when talking about a player with fewer than 100 major league games under his belt.

VinnieDaGooch
3 years ago

>Perhaps Soto wouldn’t fetch the sixth-best offer if every player were put on the market at once. In that world, if you missed, you could just use those prospects to bid on Ramírez or Adley Rutschman. But not every player is being put on the market at once. Juan Soto is, though

I really don’t see how this argument is whatsoever persuasive as it pertains to this list. You are using real world trade availability to justify Soto’s placement on a list ranking hypothetical trade value? I don’t get it. When you were ranking Adley or Ramirez’s trade value were they getting ranked based on what their trade value would be in a hypothetical world where Soto and other stars are on the trade market? If so I don’t see why Soto should get special treatment when deciding his hypothetical value.

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Antonio BananasMember since 2026
3 years ago

Acuna’s projections seem low. His speed, defense, and barrel rate mean that he should be routinely 4+ WAR. I also don’t see how he declines in his age 25-29 seasons. He’s not Vlad Jr with the questionable body.

Also, would an extension put Soto in the top 3?

principnumeric
3 years ago

Acuna’s defense isn’t particularly good.

TheUncool
3 years ago

I forget the details now, but some of us had previously called out Dan’s oddly lower ZiPs projections (quoted in these blogposts) for some other players, especially Yordan… although Yordan’s discrepancy now looks much less so (perhaps, Dan made some adjustments after the callouts?).

For some reason, Dan’s version of ZiPs projections are sometimes(?) quite significantly lower than what you find on the player’s page. And this certainly applies to Acuna. And according to Acuna’s FG player page, ZiPs projects nearly +1 WAR/year higher than Dan’s version… and yes, that’s despite using projections w/ rather low game totals of just 121G/year.

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tomerafan
3 years ago

Everyone take a deep breath and remember a few things.

1. The value of WAR and the defensive positional adjustment is not linear, it’s exponential. That absolutely plays a role in the ranking of players like Peña and Hayes.

2. Teams consider confidence intervals and we should do. That includes confidence in performance, and confidence in remaining on the field. (For this reason, Buxton makes my top 10 in fun but does not make my top 30 in value.). Teams will always value young, athletic right-tail defensive outliers with league average offensive production because the baseline is quantified but the upside is enormous.

(Yeah, I’m looking at you, Adrian Beltre, who was considered a bust after 5 seasons of massive defense but league-average offensive performance.)

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  tomerafan

Beltre was the same age in that 10-win 6th season as Hayes is now, though.

tomerafan
3 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

Allegedly.

But fair point.

res
3 years ago

Wow. Never understood why 30 multi billion dollar organisations pay thousands of employees millions of dollars when all they have to do is check into the gospel of Fangraphs for their top secret lnfao. I’ll bet they’d even be will ing to kick in a couple dollars or two for this cutting edge analysis.

principnumeric
3 years ago

Austin Riley not being in the top 20 while Tucker and Vlad are in the top 11 seems pretty silly. K% is a stupid hill for projections to die on.

tomerafan
3 years ago
Reply to  principnumeric

For some reason, the ZIPS projection system really doesn’t like Austin Riley enough as the naked eye and actual performance would indicate, leading to the bizarre ZIPS conclusion a few days ago that Dansby Swanson is somehow a better player than Riley.

The Ancient Mariner
3 years ago

. . . and now I’m wondering where Luis Castillo should fit on this list.

rdizzleMember since 2024
3 years ago

I find it interesting (but don’t disagree!) that the MLB-leading Yankees have 0 players in the top 50….although i guess when you’re the Yanks you don’t need your production to come from pre-arb players or guys on bargain extensions.

Professor Ross Eforp
3 years ago
Reply to  rdizzle

It is a bit interesting, but like you said it makes total sense.

Gleyber Torres would certainly get a nice return, and obviously teams would pay about as much for a 1/2 season of Aaron Judge as they would for anybody. They do not really have young arms that are super interesting from a big trade perspective, either (at the MLB level at least).