2024 Trade Value: Nos. 11-20

As is tradition at FanGraphs, we’re using the lead-up to the trade deadline to take stock of the top 50 players in baseball by trade value. For a more detailed introduction to this year’s exercise, as well as a look at the players who fell just short of the top 50, be sure to read the Introduction and Honorable Mentions piece, which can be found in the widget above.
For those of you who have been reading the Trade Value Series the last few seasons, the format should look familiar. For every player, you’ll see a table with the player’s projected five-year WAR from 2025-2029, courtesy of Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections. The table will also include the player’s guaranteed money, if any, the year through which their team has contractual control of them, last year’s rank (if applicable), and then projections, contract status, and age for each individual season through 2029 (assuming the player is under contract or team control for those seasons). Last year’s rank includes a link to the relevant 2023 post. Thanks are due to Sean Dolinar for his technical wizardry. At the bottom of the page, there is a grid showing all of the players who have been ranked up to this point.
A note on the rankings: As we ascend towards the top of the list, the tiers matter more and more. There are clear gaps in value. Don’t get too caught up on what number a player is, because who they’re grouped with is a more important indicator. The gap between no. 20 and 19 is next to nothing; between 11 and 10, it’s much steeper. I’ll note places where I disagreed meaningfully with people I spoke with in calibrating this list, and I’ll also note players whose value was the subject of disagreement among my contacts. As I mentioned in the Introduction and Honorable Mentions piece, I’ll indicate tier breaks between players where appropriate, both in their capsules and bolded in the table at the end of the piece.
With that out of the way, let’s get to the next batch of players.
| Five-Year WAR | 18.2 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | $220.0 M |
| Team Control Through | 2032 |
| Previous Rank | HM |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2025 | 32 | 5.3 | $25.0 M |
| 2026 | 33 | 4.4 | $25.0 M |
| 2027 | 34 | 3.7 | $25.0 M |
| 2028 | 35 | 2.8 | $30.0 M |
| 2029 | 36 | 2.0 | $30.0 M |
I shouldn’t have relegated Betts to the honorable mentions last year. It was a function of a few things converging at once: I was trying to rely a little more on projections, which were strangely down on him last year, for my initial level-setting. I also bunched him together with players on similar deals who just aren’t as good as he is, and then did a lot less manual re-ordering than normal after starting with a quantitative sort.
Regardless of why I did it, I was wrong, and this year’s ranking corrects that. Betts is part of a two-player tier comprised of truly elite talents in their 30s who are on large and lengthy deals. Those deals keep some teams out of the picture entirely. The remaining teams would love to add Betts, though. It’s a scarcity thing, particularly at the nosebleed heights of the best teams in baseball. If you have Betts, no one else does. He’s actually been better offensively in Los Angeles than he was in Boston, which is hard to wrap my head around. He’s one of the best hitters in the game, and he can also just play shortstop out of nowhere when you need him to. It would be no surprise for him to compile several more 6-7 WAR seasons. He’s currently on the IL after breaking his hand on an HBP, but he’s expected back soon, and the injury didn’t affect my valuation at all.
Honestly, I don’t have to convince you that Mookie Betts is good. He’s Mookie Betts! So instead, I’ll tell you how my various team sources felt about the placement here. I talked mostly to folks with teams that wouldn’t get involved if Betts came on the market. I talked to several people who thought Bryce Harper and crew shouldn’t be on this list at all because of monetary concerns. They saw Betts (and the next guy) here, and just said, “Yep, okay, that sounds about right.” I’m not saying their personal list would have Betts in the same spot, but even if you’re the kind of person who drives a Honda (like me — lifelong Civic and HR-V guy), you can appreciate the supercar you see at the grocery store.
I’m not done harping on this idea. But I am done with this blurb, because the next player on the list is going to provide plenty of opportunity for further discussion. Like Betts, he’s so good that wasting time explaining his talent seems silly. So without further ado…
| Five-Year WAR | 21.2 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | $280.0 M |
| Team Control Through | 2031 |
| Previous Rank | – |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2025 | 33 | 6.4 | $40.0 M |
| 2026 | 34 | 5.3 | $40.0 M |
| 2027 | 35 | 4.3 | $40.0 M |
| 2028 | 36 | 3.1 | $40.0 M |
| 2029 | 37 | 2.1 | $40.0 M |
Hey, look, the best hitter in baseball is a guy who teams would want to trade for! There’s exactly one Aaron Judge. He’s playing at an 8.5 WAR/600 PA pace over the past three seasons. He’s playing at a 7 WAR/600 PA pace for his entire career. Get out of here with your “Oh, I value low-price team control” nonsense. The teams that do value that still think Judge belongs around here. He’s simply irreplaceable.
Look, baseball teams have money to spend. Some players are going to earn it. If your big monetary commitments go to players like Betts and Judge, your team will probably be good. Take the Giants. They tried to go spend a bunch of money on Judge and then Shohei Ohtani, and when that didn’t work, their fallback was to re-allocate those resources to worse players, which hasn’t gone all that well.
Most of the time someone with a huge contract gets traded, it happens because something has gone wrong. They’re on the decline, they’re threatening to opt out, they’re not playing as much as they’d like to. Maybe the team around them has gone off the rails, meaningfully altering their club’s competitive calculus. In a world where Judge actually hits the trade block, he probably wouldn’t be hitting like he is now, and teams probably would fret about the monetary aspect. It truly is a lot of money. But if he went on the block today, as the clear best hitter in baseball at the peak of his powers? His $40 million salary is way less than Judge’s fair value in 2024. In fact, in my opinion, he has the highest present-day value of anyone in the sport. That matters for trades, no matter what kind of theoretical surplus value world you want to live in.
| Five-Year WAR | 18.0 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | $176.0 M |
| Team Control Through | 2033 |
| Previous Rank | #13 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2025 | 28 | 4.5 | $22.0 M |
| 2026 | 29 | 4.0 | $22.0 M |
| 2027 | 30 | 3.8 | $22.0 M |
| 2028 | 31 | 3.2 | $22.0 M |
| 2029 | 32 | 2.5 | $22.0 M |
The next three players starting with Riley belong together, but I could see switching their order with Betts and Judge. They’re a best-of-both-worlds grouping. Riley is a good example of what I mean. A linear surplus value model that treats every win the same sees his contract as having meaningfully positive trade value. He’s also just really good; add our rest-of-season projections for 2024 to what he’s done so far this year, and he comes in at exactly 20 WAR over the past four seasons. Riley is 27, and his contract extends another eight years after this one, with a team option for a ninth, at around $22 million a year. In other words, so long as Riley keeps playing like a perennial All-Star, he’s going to keep racking up positive value.
At some point, he’ll have to switch over to first base, which will put a cap on his value, but that time won’t come as soon as talent evaluators thought when he first made the majors. He looks like a legitimate plus defender at third base right now, which is shocking given where he started. Even the most pessimistic defensive model thinks he’s average, and all the others think he’s comfortably above average. He definitely passes the eye test, too. He’s mastered the art of ranging into foul territory to make a snare and then throw on a pivot, something that used to give him fits.
Offensively, Riley is a power merchant whose slight underperformance this year doesn’t concern me or the projection systems. It didn’t concern many of my contacts, either. Sure, Riley strikes out a lot, but it’s part of his plan. He has a plus batting eye, chasing less frequently than average while still attacking good pitches. The strikeouts come because he’s taking violent hacks, and that tradeoff works just fine. He consistently runs gargantuan barrel rates and pops 30 bombs. Honestly, Riley might be Atlanta’s most unsung player. He doesn’t have a wildly team-friendly contract like Ozzie Albies or a crazy good MVP season under his belt like Ronald Acuña Jr., but he’s significantly outproduced those guys WAR-wise over the past four years, and that’s using Statcast defensive data, which is the lowest on him. He’s a great player, even if he’s kind of a boring one.
| Five-Year WAR | 17.1 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | $88.0 M |
| Team Control Through | 2028 |
| Previous Rank | #19 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2025 | 32 | 5.0 | $19.0 M |
| 2026 | 33 | 4.3 | $21.0 M |
| 2027 | 34 | 3.4 | $23.0 M |
| 2028 | 35 | 2.5 | $25.0 M |
Oh, you want underrated third basemen? I’ll show you an underrated third baseman. Ramírez and Riley have a surprising amount in common despite body types that couldn’t be more different. Ramírez will average $22 million a year for the next four years, the same annual salary as Riley. He’s been a very similar hitter, at least in terms of wRC+. He’s better defensively and on the basepaths, too, which is why I gave him the edge despite a four-year age difference and less team control.
Ramírez’s offensive game has worked for so long that it doesn’t feel quite so strange anymore, but it’s fundamentally weird. He’s a little guy who hits big, only he somehow does it without striking out. He’s walked almost as often as he’s struck out in his career, and he’s also cracked nearly 250 homers. He makes contact and steals bases like a slap hitter, only he hits mostly fly balls and has a career .281 BABIP. He’s just a master when it comes to lifting and pulling, the idealized final form of Isaac Paredes.
Trying to extrapolate an aging curve for Ramírez feels like an impossible task. He collapsed in 2019 only to have probably his best season in 2020, followed by another spectacular year in 2021. Very few players in baseball history have accrued value in the precise way that he does, which means I’m unsure how and when his skills will erode. Level with me, though: Do you think he’s going to put up less than 8 WAR over the next two seasons? Probably not. He’s just too consistent, too smart, and too good at what he does.
| Five-Year WAR | 19.0 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | $82.0 M |
| Team Control Through | 2028 |
| Previous Rank | #16 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2025 | 28 | 4.5 | $12.0 M |
| 2026 | 29 | 4.1 | $23.0 M |
| 2027 | 30 | 3.9 | $23.0 M |
| 2028 | 31 | 3.4 | $24.0 M |
Wait, Logan Webb? There was a delightful divergence among the people I talked to in making this list when it came to Webb. The visual evaluators of the group – scout-y people and the like – thought he should be lower. He doesn’t throw hard. He doesn’t miss a lot of bats. He doesn’t really look like he should be an ace. He’s a sinker-baller, a pitch-to-contact guy in a strikeouts and dingers world. He’s having a down year in 2024.
But the model-driven types, a group I’d mostly consider myself a part of? They’re into what Webb offers. It’s not like he’s some good-ERA/bad-FIP lucksack. His first good season was 2021, and he’s fifth in fWAR among all pitchers since then. He’s fifth in RA9-WAR, too. Among pitchers to throw at least 500 innings over that time frame, he’s tied with Gerrit Cole for the seventh-lowest ERA-. He’s fourth in FIP-. He’s an accumulator too – he’s third in the majors in innings pitched. You probably haven’t noticed it, but he’s a capital-A ace, one of the best pitchers in baseball — period. That down year? It still has him 14th in WAR, not a bad fail case.
Oh, but it gets ace-ier still. There are 73 pitchers who have pitched 100 or more innings this year. Webb is tied with Tarik Skubal for the 10th-highest PitchingBot stuff grade. He has the ninth-highest Stuff+ mark. He has elite control, almost unheard of for a sinker-dominant pitcher. He has the third-best BB%+ in the majors in that 2021-24 timeframe. There’s no one else like Webb.
Webb will be around for four years after this one, and his contract is eminently reasonable. I have a theory – unproven, and probably unprovable – that his ability to throw objectively nasty pitches (those stuff grades don’t lie) at low velocity insulates him from injury somewhat. He has a great record of health, and his low-walk, groundball style lets him pitch deep into games. He’s even a playoff stud, albeit in a tiny sample: He has a career 0.61 ERA (1.06 FIP) over 14.2 innings, all of which came against literally the Dodgers.
I hate ranking pitchers high in exercises like this — there’s only one of them in the top 15 spots on this list. But Webb is as bankable a commodity as there is, and at 27, he projects to keep doing it for a while. I put him at the head of this tier of excellent, team-leading stars making $20-ish million a year because he’s the one I’d want the most out of the bunch. There just aren’t many pitchers like this anymore.
| Five-Year WAR | 21.3 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | $105.8 M |
| Team Control Through | 2031 |
| Previous Rank | #4 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2025 | 24 | 4.5 | $5.6 M |
| 2026 | 25 | 4.3 | $10.6 M |
| 2027 | 26 | 4.4 | $12.6 M |
| 2028 | 27 | 4.1 | $14.6 M |
| 2029 | 28 | 4.1 | $28.6 M |
Boy, I did not have fun ranking Carroll. I started with him higher than this, because from a projected wins and projected cost standpoint, he’s easily in the top 10. He’s going to be around for a long time, he’s only 23, and with a 5-WAR season already in the bank, the projected future is rosy. With every successive pass at the list, though, I kept sliding him lower, and it’s fairly easy to understand why. He ended up in a group of five outfielders with a question mark or two marring their otherwise spectacular profiles.
Carroll has been bad this year. There’s no way around it. His contact quality is way down. He’s hitting too many grounders and barreling the ball up less frequently. His defense, which scouts expected to be elite, has been lackluster, weighed down by his weak throwing arm. He looked uncomfortable when an injury to Alek Thomas forced him into center field, further depressing his defensive value. He’ll need a strong finish to the year just to crack the two-win plateau.
But the tools all still flash when you watch him. He’s blindingly fast, and he swings hard without a ton of whiffs. He’s not maximizing his fly ball contact this year, but you can see glimpses of his 2023 form peeking through. The smart money is on Carroll being a consistent All-Star in the upcoming decade.
Still, he’s not doing it right now. He has a pretty concerning injury history – he missed almost the entire 2021 season with a gruesome shoulder injury, and since a scare late last June, he’s hit just .240/.323/.385 with a 97 wRC+. All the power and speed he generates from a tiny frame just feels risky; the torque he’s generating to produce bat speeds comparable to Salvador Perez and Brent Rooker can’t be good for the joints. One of my cross-checkers put it to me very well: In the same way that I don’t think teams would likely offer full freight for the unproven prospects on the list, would they really go all out to get Carroll?
I expect him to be higher on this list next year. He’s an awesome player, and he’s going to be around for a long time at an attractive rate, which is enough to warrant this placement even in a down year. But to trade for him right now? I’d be trying to acquire him at a discount, because one feels merited at the moment. I don’t consider myself risk-averse relative to the observed behavior of major league GMs, but I’d make an exception in this case.
| Five-Year WAR | 18.6 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | – |
| Team Control Through | 2029 |
| Previous Rank | HM |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2025 | 22 | 3.1 | Pre-Arb |
| 2026 | 23 | 3.5 | Pre-Arb |
| 2027 | 24 | 3.8 | Arb 1 |
| 2028 | 25 | 4.1 | Arb 2 |
| 2029 | 26 | 4.1 | Arb 3 |
Full disclosure: I let the crowd guide me a bit here, because I’m not confident in my evaluation of Merrill. Time after time, I sent out a list with Merrill in the 20s or high teens and got scoffed at. Oh, it was all polite enough, but the message was clear: Teams perceive Merrill as a star already.
His hitting has never been much of a question. He’s been getting Michael Brantley comps for years, and that’s exactly what he looks like so far. His sweet swing produces line drives to all fields, and he has home run power when he elevates the ball. He’s more aggressive than Brantley, and I think he’s still searching for the perfect approach at the plate, but his bat-to-ball skills give him a ridiculously high floor. He’s going to fall out of bed and put up batting lines 20% better than league average.
What has people really over the moon, though, is how easily Merrill has taken to center field. He never looked like a long-term fit at shortstop, and if he ended up playing a corner defensive position, that would put a ton of pressure on his bat. Now that he looks passable in the middle pasture, though, the math works a lot better. His offense is head and shoulders above the bar in center. Now the downside scenarios – league-average bat held back by a lack of power – still result in above-average value, and the best outcomes come with top-five MVP finishes.
He’s also 21 and will be on the Padres for another five years after 2024. The gap between the minors and the majors is enormous these days, and with Merrill’s minor league track record, no one would have been shocked if he needed a year or two of adjustment – just look at his fellow rookie Jacksons to get an understanding of how hard it is to hit in your first taste of the big leagues. Instead, he’s comfortably above average, and that despite underperforming his contact quality. It’s vanishingly rare to be this good this fast, which is why teams of all stripes covet Merrill.
| Five-Year WAR | 23.4 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | – |
| Team Control Through | 2028 |
| Previous Rank | HM |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2025 | 24 | 4.4 | Pre-Arb |
| 2026 | 25 | 4.7 | Arb 1 |
| 2027 | 26 | 4.8 | Arb 2 |
| 2028 | 27 | 4.6 | Arb 3 |
Greene should have been on the tail end of the list last year instead of just off of it. I didn’t quite buy the track record yet, even though I’d highlighted Greene as a player to watch and thought he was due some improvement. Clearly, that was the wrong move in retrospect. He and Merrill have moved in lockstep on this list as young, center field-capable outfielders who can really hit.
You’ve seen hitters like Greene before. He has excellent power and great patience, which lets him hunt fastballs early in the count and adjust late. Last year, he was still struggling to harness that power; he hit too many grounders, more or less. He’s already eclipsed last year’s home run total, and I like the shape of his production a lot more now. I’m getting Brandon Nimmo with more power and fewer walks vibes, and that’s a really nice player, particularly at this age and with this much team control remaining.
Broadly speaking, players like Greene are always going to be in huge demand. Corner outfielders with average bats? Eh, everyone has ‘em. Add either good defense or good offense to that profile, and things start to get exciting. Add both, and you’re really cooking with gas. There’s certainly risk in Greene’s profile. He isn’t a lock to stay in center – in fact, he’s mostly played left field this year (and been quite good). He strikes out enough that there’s some chance he settles in at a lower offensive level than his current numbers suggest. To that, I say: sure, okay, fine. If either of those two things happens, Greene will still be an excellent player. He won’t fall into the corner outfield sinkhole unless multiple things go wrong at once, and if the variance happens in the other direction, he might take home an MVP award.
| Five-Year WAR | 18.6 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | $62.0 M |
| Team Control Through | 2032 |
| Previous Rank | #15 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2025 | 24 | 3.5 | $8.0 M |
| 2026 | 25 | 3.8 | $8.0 M |
| 2027 | 26 | 3.7 | $9.0 M |
| 2028 | 27 | 3.8 | $10.0 M |
| 2029 | 28 | 3.8 | $10.0 M |
Harris was a great litmus test for the team personnel I talked to while constructing this list. Everyone loves defense and team control – but how much do they love them when they’re the main features driving a player’s profile? If you’re an add-em-up-and-count-the-value kind of guy, Harris will float your boat. He’s 4 WAR in a can. Look at those projections! He’s played at a better pace than that in his career; even his down 2024 season doesn’t change the overall trajectory.
His contract is team-friendly almost to the point of absurdity. It goes for a billion years. It pays him like a decent reliever, or like he got stuck in his second year of arbitration instead of striking it big. If you’re a big market club, you can lock up center field for the next decade for essentially nothing, then use the savings to splurge elsewhere. If you’re pinching pennies, well, he’s an All-Star who doesn’t cost much money. He’s only 23. What more are you looking for?
That brings us to the other half of the litmus test. What more are you looking for? How about a guy with an on-base percentage above .300? Harris isn’t exactly a fearsome hitter, despite some promising numbers under the hood; swinging hard and making decent contact can only take you so far if you never figure out the strike zone, and Harris hasn’t done that yet. He’s so aggressive at the plate that teams just aren’t giving him fastballs to hit. He started slowly last year, got hot in the second half, and then has been quite bad this year. Plus, he’s currently on the IL with a hamstring injury.
It’s not quite a Luis Robert Jr. situation, where I had people (virtually) banging the table to support their opinions, but I do think that there’s a big divide in what players like this are worth in trade. It’s not exactly a pure referendum on defense – the guy has a career 115 wRC+ – but Harris has never felt like an impact hitter, and the ceiling just seems lower given his approach. He’s the highest-ranked player on this list who I don’t see as a frequent MVP candidate. That’s where I came down on balancing the two disparate views.
| Five-Year WAR | 23.8 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | $34.0 M |
| Team Control Through | 2028 |
| Previous Rank | #1 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2025 | 27 | 5.3 | $17.0 M |
| 2026 | 28 | 5.2 | $17.0 M |
| 2027 | 29 | 4.8 | $17.0 M |
| 2028 | 30 | 4.5 | $17.0 M |
What a bummer. Acuña was outrageously good last year, fulfilling the potential everyone had seen since he was the top prospect in baseball before the 2018 season. He’s a do-it-all crusher on offense, with every tool in the book and plenty of evidence that he can put it all together at once. You probably don’t think of him this way, but Acuña has a spectacular batting eye. He swings far more often than average at pitches over the heart of the plate, and almost never chases. He combines that with top-of-the-scale power, sprays the ball to all fields, and oh yeah, he stole 73 bases last year.
No one disputes the talent here. The issue is injuries, obviously. He missed a ton of time after tearing his right ACL in 2021, and it took him a year to return to his prior explosive self. He tore his other ACL at the end of May on a fluke non-contact play, and we just don’t have a lot of data on what happens to players who suffer successive major injuries like that.
I’m not worried about Acuña’s slow start to the 2024 season, but I am worried about a potentially slow start to 2025. I’m worried that his defense, already worse than you’d expect for someone with his baserunning prowess, will decline even further. I’m worried that the effortless athleticism that makes him so spectacular will be toned down a bit with twice as many surgically replaced ligaments as he had at this time last year.
Acuña is obviously still hugely valuable. His contract is reasonable, and will keep him around through 2028 thanks to the club options. He’s already racked up 28.3 WAR, but because he got started very early, he’s somehow only 26. There’s no reason to expect an age-related decline anytime soon. When he’s healthy, I think he’s one of the best five or so hitters in baseball. But “when he’s healthy” is doing a ton of work in that sentence. I don’t have a strong sense of when Acuña will be back to 100%. I don’t have a strong sense of how long it will take him to shake the rust off. I can’t help but discount his value somewhat for that. I hope that this time next year, he’s mashing taters and making me look silly for doubting him. But despite being more talented than the rest of the outfielders in this tier, the monumental riskiness was too much for me to put him in the top 10.
| Rk | Pv | Player | Age | 2025 | 2026 | 2027 | 2028 | 2029 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 11 | 1 | Ronald Acuña Jr. | 26 | 5.3 $17.0 M |
5.2 $17.0 M |
4.8 $17.0 M |
4.5 $17.0 M |
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| 12 | 15 | Michael Harris II | 23 | 3.5 $8.0 M |
3.8 $8.0 M |
3.7 $9.0 M |
3.8 $10.0 M |
3.8 $10.0 M |
| 13 | HM | Riley Greene | 23 | 4.4 Pre-Arb |
4.7 Arb 1 |
4.8 Arb 2 |
4.6 Arb 3 |
|
| 14 | HM | Jackson Merrill | 21 | 3.1 Pre-Arb |
3.5 Pre-Arb |
3.8 Arb 1 |
4.1 Arb 2 |
4.1 Arb 3 |
| 15 | 4 | Corbin Carroll | 23 | 4.5 $5.6 M |
4.3 $10.6 M |
4.4 $12.6 M |
4.1 $14.6 M |
4.1 $28.6 M |
| 16 | 16 | Logan Webb | 27 | 4.5 $12.0 M |
4.1 $23.0 M |
3.9 $23.0 M |
3.4 $24.0 M |
|
| 17 | 19 | José Ramírez | 31 | 5.0 $19.0 M |
4.3 $21.0 M |
3.4 $23.0 M |
2.5 $25.0 M |
|
| 18 | 13 | Austin Riley | 27 | 4.5 $22.0 M |
4.0 $22.0 M |
3.8 $22.0 M |
3.2 $22.0 M |
2.5 $22.0 M |
| 19 | – | Aaron Judge | 32 | 6.4 $40.0 M |
5.3 $40.0 M |
4.3 $40.0 M |
3.1 $40.0 M |
2.1 $40.0 M |
| 20 | HM | Mookie Betts | 31 | 5.3 $25.0 M |
4.4 $25.0 M |
3.7 $25.0 M |
2.8 $30.0 M |
2.0 $30.0 M |
| 21 | – | Cole Ragans | 26 | 2.7 Pre-Arb |
2.7 Arb 1 |
2.6 Arb 2 |
2.4 Arb 3 |
|
| 22 | 26 | George Kirby | 26 | 3.9 Arb 1 |
3.7 Arb 2 |
3.6 Arb 3 |
3.3 Arb 4 |
|
| 23 | 33 | Logan Gilbert | 27 | 4.2 Arb 2 |
3.8 Arb 3 |
3.4 Arb 4 |
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| 24 | – | Tarik Skubal | 27 | 3.8 Arb 2 |
3.6 Arb 3 |
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| 25 | – | Jackson Chourio | 20 | 2.0 $4.3 M |
2.5 $7.3 M |
2.6 $8.3 M |
2.8 $9.3 M |
3.0 $15.3 M |
| 26 | HM | Patrick Bailey | 25 | 3.4 Pre-Arb |
3.4 Arb 1 |
3.3 Arb 2 |
3.3 Arb 3 |
2.9 Arb 4 |
| 27 | HM | William Contreras | 26 | 3.6 Arb 1 |
3.5 Arb 2 |
3.2 Arb 3 |
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| 28 | 14 | Luis Robert Jr. | 26 | 2.9 $15.0 M |
2.9 $20.0 M |
2.9 $20.0 M |
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| 29 | – | Jordan Westburg | 25 | 3.9 Pre-Arb |
4.0 Pre-Arb |
4.0 Arb 1 |
4.1 Arb 2 |
3.5 Arb 3 |
| 30 | – | Steven Kwan | 26 | 3.6 Arb 1 |
3.2 Arb 2 |
3.0 Arb 3 |
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| 31 | – | Masyn Winn | 22 | 3.1 Pre-Arb |
3.2 Pre-Arb |
3.4 Arb 1 |
3.8 Arb 2 |
3.8 Arb 3 |
| 32 | – | CJ Abrams | 23 | 3.2 Arb 1 |
3.4 Arb 2 |
3.4 Arb 3 |
3.5 Arb 4 |
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| 33 | 23 | Francisco Alvarez | 22 | 2.5 Pre-Arb |
2.8 Arb 1 |
3.0 Arb 2 |
3.3 Arb 3 |
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| 34 | – | Gabriel Moreno | 24 | 3.8 Pre-Arb |
3.8 Arb 1 |
3.7 Arb 2 |
3.7 Arb 3 |
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| 35 | 50 | James Wood | 21 | 2.4 Pre-Arb |
2.8 Pre-Arb |
3.1 Pre-Arb |
3.5 Arb 1 |
3.6 Arb 2 |
| 36 | – | Wyatt Langford | 22 | 2.6 Pre-Arb |
2.9 Pre-Arb |
3.0 Arb 1 |
3.1 Arb 2 |
2.9 Arb 3 |
| 37 | HM | Jackson Holliday | 20 | 3.3 Pre-Arb |
3.7 Pre-Arb |
4.1 Pre-Arb |
4.4 Arb 1 |
4.7 Arb 2 |
| 38 | 27 | Anthony Volpe | 23 | 3.0 Pre-Arb |
3.2 Arb 1 |
3.4 Arb 2 |
3.5 Arb 3 |
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| 39 | HM | Ezequiel Tovar | 22 | 3.1 $4.2 M |
3.3 $5.2 M |
3.7 $8.2 M |
3.8 $11.2 M |
3.9 $14.2 M |
| 40 | 38 | Zach Neto | 23 | 2.6 Pre-Arb |
2.9 Arb 1 |
3.2 Arb 2 |
3.2 Arb 3 |
3.4 Arb 4 |
| 41 | – | Bryce Harper | 31 | 3.8 $27.5 M |
3.2 $27.5 M |
2.5 $27.5 M |
1.9 $27.5 M |
1.3 $23.5 M |
| 42 | HM | Corey Seager | 30 | 4.7 $32.5 M |
4.1 $31.5 M |
3.3 $31.5 M |
2.5 $31.5 M |
1.7 $31.5 M |
| 43 | HM | Ketel Marte | 30 | 4.5 $16.6 M |
3.8 $16.6 M |
3.0 $14.6 M |
2.4 $13.0 M |
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| 44 | HM | Francisco Lindor | 30 | 5.4 $34.1 M |
4.9 $34.1 M |
4.2 $34.1 M |
3.2 $34.1 M |
2.4 $34.1 M |
| 45 | – | Jared Jones | 22 | 2.2 Pre-Arb |
2.4 Pre-Arb |
2.4 Arb 1 |
2.4 Arb 2 |
2.4 Arb 3 |
| 46 | – | Grayson Rodriguez | 24 | 2.2 Pre-Arb |
2.2 Pre-Arb |
2.2 Arb 1 |
2.1 Arb 2 |
2.0 Arb 3 |
| 47 | – | Tanner Bibee | 25 | 2.9 Pre-Arb |
2.8 Arb 1 |
2.7 Arb 2 |
2.5 Arb 3 |
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| 48 | 41 | Hunter Greene | 24 | 2.5 $6.3 M |
2.5 $8.3 M |
2.5 $15.3 M |
2.3 $16.3 M |
2.3 $21.0 M |
| 49 | HM | Justin Steele | 28 | 3.2 Arb 2 |
2.9 Arb 3 |
2.7 Arb 4 |
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| 50 | – | MacKenzie Gore | 25 | 2.1 Arb 1 |
2.1 Arb 2 |
2.0 Arb 3 |
Ben is a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @benclemens.
Love this series, and would like to make my annual request for a ZiPS version at the end.
Just a straight listing of contract surplus value based on length of team control, WAR projections, and expected salary.
Thank you!
I’d probably try to create an optimal $250 million roster from that.
That sounds like a fun article idea. Creating ideal rosters relative to different spending levels by MLB teams.
Ideal $250M
Ideal $150M
Ideal Pirates
It would be kind of fun to see what the Pirates would have to do to compete in a big way. They’re over .500 now so it’s not totally ridiculous.
They essentially have to follow the Rays’ plan. Don’t forget, their payroll in 2015 was over $120 million. And attendance is way up now that the team is playing well and has multiple recognizable faces.
But their plan may well be to debut a ROY candidate every year for the next decade. That used to be the Dodgers’ plan, now they just buy an MVP candidate or two every offseason.
On May 10th, Nick Gonzales debuted in a 7-2 loss to the Cubs which dropped their record to 17-22. To that point, they had scored 136 runs, an average of 3.49 R/G.
Skenes debuted on May 11th, the Pirates won 10-9 although he wasn’t involved in the decision. Including that game, the Pirates are 35-28 and are averaging 4.41 R/G, which is above the current league average. I do suspect, though, that the league R/G as a whole in that time frame is above 4.41 R/G because of the better weather. I will be interested to see where Skenes places on tomorrow’s list. And no, I don’t believe that he has had anything to do with the improvement in their offense.
Through May 10 teams were scoring 4.375 R/G, since May 11 4.40 R/G. So Pirates have still managed to be a smidge above average in scoring since then. They’ve also had a 93 wRC+ since then, so I would chalk that up to “dumb luck.” Though it’s better than their 78 wRC+ through May 10.
All kinds of fun games to play with it IMO, and I think it would look fairly different from Ben’s list. (And that’s good! Full agreement would be boring. Sussing out the whys and hows of the differences is interesting!)
Sussing is a weird word. It sounds kinda gross but it’s also incisive.
So the top 10 will be (in my estimated order):
Witt
Gunnar
EDLC
Skenes
Tatis
Adley
Julio
Will Smith
Yordan
Ohtani
Crazy to me that Ohtani is this high, but suspect off-field considerations play a big role
To be fair with Ohtani, if he does come back as a starting pitcher at any point, the additional WAR would cause his on-field value to skyrocket beyond his already MVP-level contributions as the best DH in baseball.
Heck, if he transitions to a position player role full time and provides even average defense in a corner, that would also be a sizeable boost. That’s just the caliber of player we’re talking about.
The problem with Ohtani, Judge, any of the player are prohibitively expensive for at least 2/3 of the MLB owners, it’s really hard to say what their value is. Yes, if you go by any analytical WAR value chart they can be on there. But at some point these value chart break because you run into team-building issues. And it’s almost always more useful for low-to-medium spending teams to be able to break up their spending to focus on holes that they can’t fill through the farm system.
And you get to a point where the Dodgers aren’t trading Ohtani for anyone, but if he gets on waivers at least half the teams aren’t putting a claim on him because their owner is just going to say no.
Half the team’s not putting a claim on him doesn’t impact the other half of the teams getting into a bidding war though. There’s like 5 guys in the league with realistic paths to 8 WAR seasons. Scarcity matters.
Except having fewer teams automatically lowers value. If you are selling a product there is a difference between 20 people interested and 5 people interested. I don’t know what the other bids for Ohtani was last year. But for Ohtani to be a top-10 trade value guy, someone had to have been willing to give him something along the lines of a $800mil contract, in order for said same team to be willing to give up something like a Juan Soto haul to get him in a trade to pay him $700mil instead.
Unless the five interested people make seven figures per year, while the other 15 make minimum wage.
Yes, but the other 5 people also can spend their money on things besides your fancy gadget. Even millionaires differ on whether they drive a Bentley or Maybach or Ferrari. Ohtani isn’t a singular product the way people are pretending him to be. Other really awesome baseball players exists
If you want to be conservative about Ohtani’s value and say he’s in a tier with Judge and Betts, if he was available, it’s not like the other two would be available at the same time. So in a super luxury market, there is maybe one of these guys available every 5 years.. The bidding war would be silly.
There’s such a variance in the real world logistics that he can have a ton of value, or nearly none. Value is set by the market.
Teams that can afford him, with playoff aspirations, are Padres, Rangers, Phillies, Mets, Braves, Red Sox, Houston, Yankees, Cubs, Cardinals.
Ok, Astros, Braves, Phillies, Padres have DH locked up, with Alvarez, Ozuna, Schwarber, and Arraez, respectively. They’re not looking for DH, and any deal would have to include that guy back, a prohibitive extra requirement even if they were. I think they’re out.
The Jays aren’t buying at this point. The Cardinals are using DH for Contreras/Burleson, Cubs for Morel/Suzuki/Tauchman, Yankees for Judge/Stanton/Rizzo/Rice, the DH spot has been productive and also touches a lot of other moving parts, and no team trading Shohei would want any of those guys back except for Burleson or Suzuki, so these teams are likely out.
Theoretically, Red Sox and Rangers should be super interested in trading for Shohei if he were available. The Mets have JD Martinez, similar to above but not a guy you don’t make a trade for and the Mets love Shohei.
An unrealistic dark horse, if there is one, are the Tigers, but we don’t know the son’s tolerance to long term contracts and Miggy is fresh as can be, and they’re probably too far out and a year too early anyway.
And that’s it. Two teams that have a need and the means, one team that would probably poke around, and one fantasy team. There is no one else. In a different year, the Jays, Giants, Angels, or Nationals could be competing and be in the market for a contract like this.
They could find the perfect storm and get a bidding war. Or it could be one team bidding against themselves, with the player announcing that he’ll only approve a trade to LA like Stanton did. 🤷🏼♂️
I’d love to be in the room for that conversation.
Tom Ricketts: “The most talented player in the history of the sport is on the trading block, let’s go get him”
Jed Hoyer: “No can do. Gotta keep that DH slot open for Mike Tauchman”
Lol. Sadly, that may not be far off for that FO.
Morel has 27 games at DH, Suzuki 22, Tauchman 17, Bellinger 10, Wisdom 8. Bellinger will probably need the DH spot some when he comes back, but if the Dodgers valued Morel at all, that could be a feasible match. Morel, PCA, Horton, and an arm like Ben Brown or Luke Little.
So maybe they belong on the list. Or maybe I’m a mile off. If I had to guess though, I don’t think the Cubs are in the market, mostly given the way they’ve approached FA for the last half decade..
I think this is short sighted in the extreme. First, teams aren’t trading for one year of Shohei to make the ’24 playoffs (there’s a reason the Giants apparently matched the Dodgers’ bid). Second, if you don’t think Atlanta or Houston or another contender who is going to be in a dogfight for the next decade doesn’t want to maximize at every spot (while also benefiting from all the other $ he’d bring in)…well, I don’t think you’re valuing him properly.
I’m going to guess EDLC is #1, not because I think he should be, but because Ben loves him.
I would personally order them:
But I am very skeptical of Will Smith, Rafael Devers, and Ohtani in the Top 10 and maybe not even Top 20, and I am skeptical of Tatis being on this list at all. I wonder who is going to be left out?
I do not think Devers is on the list — I think it’s a major oversight and he should have been in the group with Harper/lindor (or even Riley/ramirez) but I’d be shocked if he was top 10
Yeah, I think Devers belongs on the top 50 but I don’t think he will be. It’ll be Rutschman and Devers won’t even be an honorable mention, which is wild.
Why are you skeptical of the best player of the decade in the top 10 or 20?
I am assuming you’re referring to Ohtani? Because he was just a free agent and he got $700M? (I know a huge amount of it is deferred)
I think he belongs on this list. I think he’s above Holliday / Wood / Langford–there are a handful of teams (Yankees, Mets, Giants, Blue Jays) that would still trade more than $60-$65M in prospect surplus value for him, even with that huge contract. How much higher do you think it would take to get someone like Jose Ramirez? Is that more or less than what Ohtani would return? I think this is a very hard question, which means they’re probably in about the same place.
Because of the deferrals, Ohtani is literally costing LA ~$460 million over the next ten years (and then not another penny). $46 million/yr is a shit-ton, but it’s not $70 million.
It would have to be a team with lots of budget space like say the Giants. Well Angels too but they don’t have prospects really. Would the Giants trade Lee, Whisenhunt, and Harrison for Ohtani? I’m guessing yes.
They would also trade that for Ramirez without blinking.
Yeah, but what if it was a choice between the two for that package? I’d guess they’d pick Ohtani, who is slightly younger and even as just a DH is even more valuable by fWAR.
I’d be stunned if Devers were top 10. He’s being paid $90 million more than Harper for his age 35-36 seasons, and he’s not as good as Harper right now. He may well sustain production in the mid-years of the contract better than Harper, but the present years have more value (partly because teams know where they are right now), and not everyone declines at the same age anyway.
There’s definitely an argument for him to be in the Harper tier, maybe even above Harper if you care about 2029-31 a lot, but 30 spots higher? I can’t see it.
I think Will Smith is in for sure, that contract is just too good. I don’t see any rational argument for leaving him off the list all together. I think you could make an argument for any of Devers, Ohtani and Tatis though.
Devers is 27 with $278M owed to him over the next 9.5 years and $75M more deferred over the following 10 years. Currently projected to finish 2024 with a 5.4 WAR season per ZiPS.
Ohtani is 29 with $19M owed to him over the next 9.5 years and $680M more deferred over the following 10 years. Currently projected to finish 2024 with a 7.3 WAR season. He also has the added benefit of likely coming back as a pitcher next season and the marketing appeal of the Japanese market.
Tatis is 25 with $314M owed to him over the next 10.5 years with no deferrals. Currently projected to finish with a 4.4 WAR season. He is also coming off a PED suspension and has been fairly injury prone.
Devers and Tatis are more easily comparable. I think being 2 years younger, having less total dollars owed to him and viewed as having higher upside would lean in his favor so I think he makes the list. He was also #8 on last years list so would be weird for him to disappear completely.
Devers, on the other hand, wasn’t on last year list at all. One year older on the same contract and performing about as you would expect, kind of makes sense he wouldn’t make it.
Ohtani is arguably the best player in the game. As crazy as his contract is, the best player in the game is always going to have insane trade value so I think he’s in as well and it’s got to be Devers on the outs.
Rodriguez being that high seems a little rich for me. I would put him in today’s group, next right next to Carroll in the “are we positive he’s really that good?” ctaegory
I think 2023 is pretty good baseline of what to expect from Julio going forward. Carroll is a bit scarier since that shoulder has given him all kinds of problems.
I would buy on Carroll at this price. The shoulder is what everyone talks about, despite the fact that he and the team keep saying that he’s fine.
But his swing is different this year. The stride has gotten way too big, the zone coverage up at the top has gotten compromised, and it has sapped his power away. Like, this one is so “little league” correctable – I can’t even count the number of 10u and 12u players I’ve had to coach to stop overstriding because of the way it impacts your balance and saps your zone coverage and power.
It looks to me like he may have addressed this over the all star break. Like, watch video of his swing from May/June and then watch him play this week. It’s not uncommon for a player to resist swing changes “in-season” but then adjust at the Break when they have a couple days to work at it. Shoot, Jeff McNeil did it and is one of the hottest bats on the planet this week. I think and hope the same may be true for Carroll.
BTW, I can’t take credit for noticing the overstriding. Just Baseball ran a piece on it in May. But I’ve had my eye on it since then, and watching him this week, it looks like he’s shortened up that stride a bit.
I’m not ready to call that his baseline. I’m not denying his talent or his youth, but how many elite players sustain a K rate 3x their walk rate?
Witt verse Gunnar for #1 is an interesting debate. I’m leaning Gunnar as there’s a good chance Witt opts out after 2030 and his contract holds a lot more risk. My top 10 are:
Gunnar
Witt
Julio
EDLC
Skenes
Yordan
Adley
Tatis
Ohtani
Will Smith
I totally agree with Yordan in the top 10. But I have to make the point again that it feels like we ding players way too much in WAR for their defense and positional adjustment. I realize that contract, etc. goes into trade value but the discrepancy between trade value and WAR remains really interesting to me, because it tells me that Alvarez’s actual value to a team is more than we report as WAR. And that drives me nuts when we get to things like HOF voting, etc.
If the only thing owners are weighing when they give out contracts is winning, then I think the correlation between WAR and contract dollars would be much closer. However, teams still seam to value offense over defense. I think that’s primarily because offense puts more butts in seats than solid defense.
This is a bit of an oversimplification but Matt Kemp was a terrible defender and put up 25.7 career WAR and made $176M. Andrelton Simmons was an elite defender and put up 25.5 career WAR and made $63M. I realize this helps make your point as well but I think it has more to do with the revenue offense generates versus a hole in the mathematical WAR equation.
Agreed. Sheffield is the poster case for me. If his defensive play was such a negative value, then NL teams in a pre-DH era simply wouldn’t have continued to sign him.
I agree with the general point, but there’s also some path dependence there–Simmons signed a $58 million extension after a season and a half, coming off a 3.5 win season, which ran through basically his whole productive years. Kemp signed a mega-extension one year away from free agency (I think) after a monster 8 win season, which he never came close to repeating.
(Looking at extensions for players with that much remaining control, it’s basically Ke’Bryan Hayes, Michael Harris, and a smaller extension for Keibert Ruiz–who are all guys with significant defensive or positional value so that doesn’t tell us too much beyond what it says about Simmons!)
It will be Gunnar simply due to the fact Baltimore doesnt have to pay him anything if they dont want to for several years.
Witts contract is still pretty insane value because he is arguably the best player in MLB right now, but you just cant touch a 7ish win SS who is still 3 or 4 years away from getting real money.
I agree with your top 4 but my idea of how 5-10 shakes out is pretty different:
Ohtani
Tatis
Smith
Yordan
Adley
Julio
Saying Ramirez collapsed in 2019 is weird. And outright wrong, tbh? He was worth 4.5 WAR per 162. in a season where he was playing through injury and missed chunks of time. Including a wrist injury that sapped his power for basically the whole year. That’s like saying Aaron Judge “collapsed” the same year because he was injured and put up “only” 4.2 WAR with the lowest full-season wRC+ of his career.
Speaking of Judge, I’m simultaneously annoyed that he’s a Yankee and very happy for him and for fans of baseball in general that he’s as good as he is. I honestly though that his 2017 campaign was as good as he’d ever get, and that he’d still be elite with flashes of near-2017 brilliance, bringing him to about a Jim Thome-like total WAR. I’m happy to have been proven wrong the last few seasons. He’s just so good. It’s to the point that renaming the Yankees to the New York Judges would only be 99.9% out of line instead of entirely.
Maybe the Yankees could do that for April Fools day or something. Sell New York Judges jerseys at a discount, with the logo being a shadow-outline of Aaron Judge’s face.
The could put a black robe and white wig on him
Maybe have him take batting practice with a gavel?
Ramirez’ wrist injury occurred on August 24th, 2019 long after his early season struggles (a 66 wRC+ through the first 77 games). There were lots of articles written that year, with people trying to figure out what was wrong with him. Here’s one of many examples:
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/jose-ramirez-isnt-that-far-off/
Ah, I must have misremembered. The rest of that still stands, though. Silly to say that he collapsed when he was still that valuable.
He was pretty terrible in the first half, so when the trade value series was done, there was a lot of discussion about whether he was toast. .652 ops in the first half.
That’s also fair, but that’s not what Ben said, lol.
“He collapsed in 2019 only to have probably his best season in 2020, followed by another spectacular year in 2021.”
No qualifiers. He was still a very valuable player in 2019, which is not a collapse.
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Notice that exclamation point at the end…..
Ramirez was awful for over a 4 1/2 month period of baseball that spanned two seasons – from August 15, 2018 to July 3, 2019. That stretch spanned 122 games, during which Ramirez hit .198 with 8 HRs. Then it just snapped back in and he was back to being himself.
wasn’t that the year where he weirdly decided he wanted to go opposite field more instead of continuing to to destroy baseballs to his pull side?
A little surprised that Devers is either notably farther ahead of Austin Riley or off the list entirely. They share a ton of similarities, Devers is probably better but he costs more.
Looking back over this list, I’m thinking that Bryce Harper is much too low. I thought I would knock Seager and Lindor down a little bit and keep Harper where he is, but now I’m thinking that maybe the issue is that Harper would need to be higher. Would you really prefer to have Riley or Devers that much higher over Harper? At this point Harper’s deal is a screaming bargain and he’s playing better than both of them right now. To me it seems like the difference between Harper and these other guys is that around the time Harper’s contract ends we’ll start seeing Riley or Devers enter their decline phase.
In theory this would also make Tatis a top 10 guy which I am having a very hard time wrapping my head around. I’m not even 100% sure he should be on this list at all (maybe he isn’t and Ben just forgot him in the HM section). And that Ohtani would be in the Top 10 and man I know he’s great and a unicorn but I just don’t buy it.
I think part of the value calculation for Harper is that he’s more injury prone and older, which exacerbates the possible injury issues. Devers and Riley are both healthier and higher on the defensive spectrum, Riley especially (though he hits for somewhat less value), in addition to being four+ years younger.
Also while Harper is hitting better than Devers now, the gap isn’t large. The move to 1B/DH only has curtailed Harper’s value somewhat.
Tatis is a weird one. I would also have him as a HM. He’s consistently shifted down the defensive spectrum and is inconsistent both as a player and in terms of availability. Still valuable, but his power has tailed off in a huge way since the PED suspension and injuries.
Ohtani at #10 is where I expect him to land since he’s not here. And part of that is the theoretical value of him coming back as a SP. That 3+ WAR per year in theory is huge, even if he can’t pitch the whole season that’s about what he’s managed in his three healthy-ish years.
Yeah without getting too mad about it, leaving devers off the list entirely is super disrespectful. Dude is 27, consistent as hell, and having his best year yet. He’s entering his prime and is a top 10-15 hitter in the game.
It’s funny, I always think of Devers as frustratingly inconsistent, but I guess he’s been consistently at least good (if not great) the past few years. The big problem with him is that he’s either going to have to move to 1B or DH soon, or he’s going to be a big defensive liability at 3B.
Depends on which version of defense you’re using. He’s only a slight negative by UZR and only a bit more by OAA/FRV. DRS is the one that’s way down on Devers on D.
The biggest difference is in the remaining contracts:
Riley: 8/$176 mil
Devers: 9/$282 mil
Even if you consider them equal right now, that’s $100 million more just for the same player.
I also think Riley has been a bit more consistent than Devers and looks likely to age better, as he’ll probably be able to stay at 3b longer.
I’d take Devers consistency at a higher dollar price over Riley’s inconsistency to save a couple of bucks. The variability of the path matters; I call it Lucas Duda Syndrome. Duda put up a couple of 3-win seasons at 1B but any Mets fan (and bRef splits) can tell you that it was months of 0-1 WAR performance interspersed with 4-6 weeks of 5-WAR performance.
I continue to wonder when we’re going to bring standard deviation into the valuation equation. I know that zIPS of course considers this over the long run… but in trades, the team is sometimes thinking about the short run. And the short run is far more variable.
Can a player be predictably more or less streaky (i.e. higher or lower standard deviation) than another? Other than general player profiles (HR-reliant, slugging 1B vs glove first SS), are certain players more or less streaky than others, or is it just noise? Smells like clutch to me. Could exist, would be pretty difficult to quantify.
First time someone has called $106M “a couple bucks”. Surplus value matters. Give me Riley and the $106M every day of the week and twice on Sundays
How is Riley anything but consistent. His past three years’ WAR: 5.1/5.8/5.0. Meanwhile, Raffy’s been: 4.2/5.0/3.4. Worse and less consistent. This year’s leaning Raffy’s way, though.
Consistent within the season, not year-to-year. What’s the decomposition of that WAR?
There’s some evidence that kind of high variability bundling is actually better for winning, that a single player with bigger high and low extremes is better for win probability than a boring consistent middle, especially because baseball offense has so many players that it sort of all regresses towards the mean after 9 players with 4 or ABs each come up.
Interesting – do you know any any published research or data on that? I’d enjoy digging into it.
I’ll try to find some of the more professional stuff, but it was explored here at Fangraphs awhile back. It’s not a big difference maker at all, but still: https://community.fangraphs.com/team-construction-obp-and-the-importance-of-variance/
Devers currently has a 155 wRC+. Riley, a 116. I don’t know if they are the same player
Devers has typically settled into that 130 wrc+ range, but has always felt like he had the ingredients to be a 150 type bat. He made a swing adjustment and might now just be an elite hitter rather than “just” a really good one
This is some recency bias. Riley’s coming off 3 straight 5+ WAR seasons (4, 5, and 3 for Devers). GM’s would use more than just this half-season’s wrc+ when evaluating these players.
Perhaps, but Devers made a swing change and it now better than ever. It’s possible he’s just a top 10 hitter now
I hope you’re right, but it still seems like the likeliest outcome will be him returning to his previous levels.
Both players had a 124 OPS+ entering play this year. Riley has produced more WAR the previous 3 seasons. And, he’s 100mm less on his contract for the remainder.
Remember, it’s about trade value not future projection. And with both guys in their prime right now most likely they both middle out before the end of the season and regress closer to that 124 number.
Until there is any evidence of a team trading a haul for a guy that is owed >$250 million, I just do not buy that guys like Harper, Mookie, Judge and Ohtani are the most valuable commodities in the sport. If some team was willing to to take on Ohtani’s full contract AND send prospects, then wouldn’t they have just have offered him more money in the offseason to reflect the additional cost of the prospects they are losing?
This series was better when it was about surplus value.
Ben addresses this directly. If a player with $250mil+ left on his contract is on the trading block, something must have gone very wrong along the way. We simply don’t see established guys on massive deals performing at their peaks getting traded.
There also seems to be an emphasis this year on consolidating talent (since $/win is not linear, some teams are categorically out on the Mookie’s, Judge’s, and Ohtani’s of the world (imagine multiple Ohtani’s), but the teams that can afford them are highly incentivized to acquire them because their salary simply can’t match their production at the time of the trade, and they’re more willing to eat the presumably underwater years
And I just don’t agree with that. There are so many teams that are penny-pinchers in this sport that I just do not buy that there are teams who would be lining up to trade for on of the highly paid players I mentioned. But there is no shortage of teams that would trade for cost-controlled studs.
It happened with Arod and Stanton and both trading teams sent money with them and got very little in return.
ETA: and also Arenado, same story.
It happens all the time. You can even look at shorter deals like Scherzer’s. If your salary is retail then your trade value is zero by definition. Thus why the Mets had to eat salary to get any prospects back for Scherzer.
Stanton was great at the time, but never really on the level of peak A-Rod or Judge. The A-Rod trade happened before GM’s had grasped the base of knowledge necessary to be comfortable with paying such a transcendent talent what he was actually worth. And still the Rangers got back three years of Alfonso Soriano, a textbook example of great trade value, for essentially four years of A-Rod.
But again, “trade value” in the abstract might not be the same as the trade value that gets realized on the rare occasions one of these guys actually gets traded, because (as Jewish Pache says), those trades only happen when something has gone badly wrong.
To reach back to ancient history, in 2003 the Pirates traded Aramis Ramirez along with a valuable rental in Kenny Lofton for a bunch of crap. Ramirez was 25 with I think three and a half years of control left, had been super inconsistent, probably wouldn’t have made the top 50 trade value, but definitely wouldn’t have been flipped again for a similar return. The trade return was lower because the Pirates had been ordered to dump salary to fix their debt ratio, and because their GM was bad at his job. Similar things are true with Stanton, A-Rod, and Arenado–those teardowns are called fire sales because they fetch fire sale prices.
Part of the issue is that teams with those guys don’t want to trade them. And if they do get traded, it’s because the original team doesn’t want them anymore.
Another issue is that players with contracts that big would not likely fit into another team’s budget without clearing some other salary.
The last giant contract to be traded while the guy was still good was Alex Rodriguez from the Rangers to the Yankees for Alfonso Soriano. As far as I remember. That was pretty good value.
The issue is the same with guys with massive “surplus value”. Gunnar Henderson isn’t getting traded because there’s no team that has enough to trade for him. The disbelief you rightly articulated about nobody trading for giant contracts applies equally to giant surplus value guys. Until someone sees Gunnar Henderson traded for 42 prospects it’s impossible to prove he’s actually more valuable than Ronald Acuña Jr
There’s a liquidity constraint both on giant contracts and on giant surplus value guys.
You forgot about Nolan Arenado as a huge contract that was traded while he was still in his prime, although the Rockies had to eat some of the money to trade him.
Yes I forgot that, although he pretty much demanded to go to St Louis or someone else he approved of.
“Another issue is that players with contracts that big would not likely fit into another team’s budget without clearing some other salary.”
You can’t just ignore this when determining trade value though, that’s the whole point. The reason players who are being paid dirt cheap are highly sought after isn’t just because they’re good, it’s because they’re good and they’re cheap. If Ohtani was on the trade block there would only be a handful of suitors for him, teams like the Guardians, Rays, Pirates, you name it would all be sitting out. If Gunnar Henderson was on the block every single team in baseball would be calling the O’s.
Is trade value about how many teams would be interested or what the most interested teams would pay? Both are important pieces of information but I’m more interested in what the handful of teams with the highest evaluations and deepest pockets would hypothetically pay.
I totally get wanting to just see surplus value rankings. On the other hand, I think it’s more interesting to factor in other real world dynamics like the concentration of that value in fewer years and how rare it is to have a guy who could pop a 7+ war season
We could think of trade value in terms of “what would the second highest bid be”.
The more suitors there are the higher the price. It’s supply and demand. If there are only 5 teams who would trade for Ohtani, but there are 29 teams that are in on Henderson, you can bet that Henderson would fetch more.
Maybe if there were multiple Ohtani’s and Henderson’s. You think the Yankees and Mets won’t have to outbid each other for Soto this summer because the Pirates aren’t at the auction?
If the Yankees want Soto they’ll have to outbid the Dodgers. If they want Crochet they’ll have to outbid the Dodgers and the O’s. I don’t know why this is so hard to understand.
You realize Ohtani just got $700 MILLION a few months ago even though there were only 2 or 3 suitors, right?
But we’ve seen a guy with massive surplus value get traded recently. It was Juan Soto and the haul was so big that 3 of the 4 players sent over for him are on this list.
I’m mostly trying to avoid the comments and save it for the chat tomorrow, but for the record, Soto was NOT a big surplus value guy. He was a star talent guy. With so few years left on his deal, he was far behind the Michael Harrises and Jackson Merrills of the time (Luis Robert? Ozzie Albies? Shane McClanahan?). A few team sources told me directly that Soto was too high b/c teams care about surplus value first and foremost.
It may well be that “teams” writ large care about surplus value first and foremost while trade value for specific players still being higher because 2 teams are willing to pay more for a unique opportunity.
Yes I forgot about that
The thing about the most valuable commodities in the sport is the very seldom actually get traded. Finding evidence is a tough thing to do. This whole series is a theoretical exercise for a reason.
I got flambeed the other day, perhaps rightfully so, but you just gave me such a huge insight into why I am so disappointed in this list the last couple of years.
I liked it better when it was about surplus value.
Big insight for me. Thanks for that.
Hey look more outfielders Jarren Duran is better than
I understand you said better here which I’m taking to mean 2024 production, but if you wouldn’t trade Duran for Harris, Greene, or Carroll (w/ contract situations included) you’re kidding yourself, unless you know something we don’t about Carroll’s shoulder
Definitely would trade him for Greene, no question. I love Riley Greene.
Carroll and Harris are young and locked up on cheap deals. That’s great. Duran has 5 years of team control left, so that’s also an incredibly team friendly “deal”.
And this year, Duran has an .849 ops while Harris has a .653 and Carroll has a .632 … Duran won all star game MVP and is pacing for 6.5-7war while those guys have been absolutely awful
Theres no way an age difference makes up for the difference between an MVP candidate and one of the worst regular OPSs in baseball
I think examples like Cedric Mullins are a reason to be cautious about counting lots of surplus value chickens when it comes to the arb years of guys who beak out “old.” It’s not a perfect comp bc Mullins is smaller physically than Durran and has struggled witgChron’s disease at least some, but I think it’s still illustrative.
I wasn’t going to agree with you, but then you threw out that he won the all star game mvp. That changed my mind. I think you’re spot on.
Listen I didn’t think that was going to be a big selling point with this crowd but it is indicative of the kind of season he’s having relative to the other guys.
Duran has a 135wrc+
Harris has an 83 wrc+
Carroll has an 81 wrc+
I don’t know what to tell ya
This is the first year Duran has at all looked like a guy. The age gap matters tremendously
This just simply is not true.
In 102 games last year he hit .295/.346/.482 with 34 doubles, 8 homers, and 24 steals for a 120 wrc+ and 2.5war
That’s a guy dude. Just because he’s even better this year doesn’t mean he was bad last year.
Also he graduated as a 50fv and the 52nd overall prospect according to this site it’s not like he’s some scrub having a lucky stretch or something
If people just want to know how good a player has done this year, you don’t have to read these articles, which are based on so much more than that. You can just go to the leaderboard and stare at where Duran is.
And you could be right. I got up on my high horse two years ago about Harris’ rank compared to Jeremy Pena. I got very little support, probably got a little obnoxious about it, but I was right. I thought that Fangraphs was being too slow to recognize just how magnificently wrong their prospect ratings of Harris’ defense were, and given his age and the rest of his profile, it was a mistake.
You could also be right? Maybe Duran can sustain a .365 babip into the future. Maybe he can reverse the trend on guys that break out in their late 20s and sustain a high level past 30. The odds are against him. Just citing WAR for the first 2/3 of this season isn’t a compelling argument. We can all look at the leaderboard.
Saying Durran is an MVP candidate is a pretty big stretch. Pump the brakes a bit, man.
If the poor horse were not dead he’d beg you to stop the flogging already.
Sometimes they need to be beaten!
No they don’t!
That’s the whole point!
Flogging a Dead Horse was an excellent album. Single versions of Anarchy In the UK, Pretty Vacant and Holidays in the Sun. Plus old shantys like Frigging In the Rigging and Belson Was a Gas. B-Sides.
I think there is an argument for sticking Greene in the top 10 over the group of Ohtani / Will Smith / Tatis / Devers (not sure which one is going to be left out). He’s turned into a fearsome hitter and he’s cheap. I am also fairly certain that his center field capabilities are “break glass in case of emergency” rather than anything someone should rely on. He just doesn’t have the range for it. Good defender in a corner, though.
Pumping the brakes on that one. Greene’s a very good hitter and if you buy the power uptick this year he looks even better, but putting him over any of those guys except Tatis is aggressive. He’s still a bit below the rest as a hitter, and while his four years of control will be cheap relative to those guys (outside of Smith, who is a wild bargain), he’s not controllable for anywhere near as long. His defensive evaluations also vary a bit, and his arm is only average at best. I also don’t fully buy his BABIP this year, think it’s a bit inflated (last year was a different story; his contact quality in ’23 was wild).
I buy putting him over Harris, and maybe even Acuna, but not in the top 10.
Agreed. I tried my best guess at ranking the top 20 yesterday and had Greene at #8 ahead of those 4.
With Acuña’s injury… I’m of the opinion that his incredibly successful recovery from the first ACL bodes well for this one, given that it’s not the same knee. Whatever he did in recovering from the first, just do that, again.
In fact, it should maybe be better. He’s not really meaningfully older, but he has the experience of knowing what worked well and what he could tweak. He also should more easily be able to avoid rushing back, since his injury happened earlier in the season. While 2023 was great, I don’t think he or the Braves want a repeat of 2022.
Performance uncertainty aside, having two-ACL reconstructed knees does not bode well for remaining injury free going forward:
https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/55/23/1350
I don’t understand way too many of the words in that link, but I don’t need a study to know that a second ACL tear does not portend a sunny outlook. I was just agreeing that he did a good job of coming back the first time. My favorite success story in athletics in this realm is Frank Gore, who tore his ACL twice before entering the NFL, and then was the most durable NFL running back of the 21st century.
Not necessarily.
He’s a righty batter. The back knee drives forward. The front knee has lateral/medial movement and rotation into the swing. That lateral movement typically puts far more stress on the ligaments and joints. (In theory, that’s why there’s so many leg injuries in pickleball – from adults whose joints and ligaments are far less used to lateral movement.)
Anyway, we often think of a knee injury impacting a player at the plate in terms of their “push” into their swing, but the action that really places the most recurrent stretch is the front knee – Acuna’s left knee, the one he just injured. So I am more worried about his recovery at the plate now than I was the first time.
I wonder if the Red Sox would ever trade for a guy like Betts. They sure could use him.
Connor Wong is pretty valuable.
Webb still has a few seasons to go to be the best sinkerballer named Webb
Looks like Isaac Paredes is in the top-10. Great news.
I have some bad news for you. Ben has already addressed why he isn’t on the list.
Oh, well in that case.
He’s an HM
Mark Vientos should’ve been at least an HM.
Well there’s no limit on HM so sure why not
Honestly the foreseen devers omission seems pretty defensible. Guy who’s going to need to move to first base in a couple years with a 126 career wrc+ and hundreds of millions in guaranteed money? I wouldnt want to be saddled with that. If you think he’s going to be a 150 wrc+ guy going forward i have a bridge to sell you
I’m interested in purchasing this bridge. It’s a 133 wrc+ in his age 22-27 seasons, but if you want to penalize him for being league average at 20 and 21 you do you. He’s just now entering his prime and coincidentally putting up a 155wrc+ with the best plate discipline and approach he’s ever had. He plays every day and, for whatever it’s worth, he’s clutch. He’s a 140-160 guy for the next few years without a doubt.
Frankly i wouldn’t even trade, like, kerry carpenter for that contract
“He’s a 140-160 guy for the next few years without a doubt.”
C’mon, this is hyperbole right? 4,000 PA into his career and yet to put up a 160 wrc+ season. Which is like 2 WAR better than a 140 wrc+ season.
Not to mention his mediocre defense and athleticism either, which will likely lead to him being bat-only soon. With $261M on the line, I’m really struggling to see massive surplus value.
Devers is a weird edge case of good baseball players– consistently at an all-star level but no better. If he could continue to walk more (as this year), I’d be willing to think about him as one of the league’s elite
Agreed. Mediocre defender at a middle of the defensive spectrum position, great but not amazing bat. Makes for a solid floor but a limited ceiling. Would love to have him, but the contract kinda kills any surplus value.
I don’t get the Judge ranking. A year and a half ago, any team could have tried to sign him to a huge contract, but only a handful did. After missing 56 games in 2023 and having an amazing 2024 so far, how many teams are going to want to trade for what’s left of his contract?
At least with Mookie or Harper you’re getting a manageable cap number around $25-30 mil. With Judge, it’s $40 mil. every year.
I’m guessing the Giants would trade Lee, Whisenhunt and Harrison for him, and the Angels would trade whatever they have. Red Sox should trade Mayer, Bleis and a couple of others but they might be too stingy. Cubs too. White Sox and Marlins can definitely have bigger budgets if they wanted to. Mets budget seems unlimited so they’d be in on it. Seattle should trade Woo, Ford and someone but they probably wouldn’t.
The Giants would trade Logan Webb for him, no hesitation.
You’re shoulding all over yourself :). They Red Sox and Marlins should be willing to trade for him, but they aren’t. Would the Angels, really, I don’t know. The Giants and Mets probably would and I could see the White Sox doing so.There’s just not much of a market IMHO.
I’ve never seen “should” as a participle. Well done!
It’s a Stuart Smalley quote.
I think you’re grossly overestimating the impact of the number of teams that would be in on a player would have on their price. There’s not 26 Judges that teams are all going for. There’s only one. So if at least two teams want him then they will outbid one another, driving his price/value up.
Counterpoint, from 2022-2024, Aaron Judge has hit like Ted Williams in his prime.
I feel like that’s all that needs to be said on the matter. When someone drops a Ted Williams comp on a hitter, I feel like the matter is settled.
That’s a good argument for his greatness but not for his market.
Glad you agree with yourself.
It doesn’t take more than a handful of teams to make the price go up. Just because PIT and MIA can’t/won’t afford Judge, it doesn’t mean NYY/LAD/SFG/NYM/etc. now don’t have to outbid each other.
I don’t think the NYY are going to bid very much.
Because I don’t think anyone thought he would hit like he did in 2022 ever again.
A fair point. Do you think this has convinced anyone that he will continue to do so?
Convinced might be a strong version of what I am saying. I imagine that he has so completely confused anyone trying to model why he is going to do next that a few teams would throw caution to the wind and go after him. What he did in 2022 and what he is doing right now is so bonkers, it feels like lightning is striking in the same place twice.
How many? However many are in on Juan Soto until the end this offseason, minus one.
So any team that loses out on 26-year-old Juan Soto will want 33-year-old Aaron Judge?
^^^Assuming that Judge is healthy?
Absolutely. Judge is going to be 39 at the end of his deal. Soto will be at least 37 at the end of his next one. On top of that, he’ll be getting a higher AAV, for several more years out into the future. Any team that won’t have a problem with the latter, won’t have a problem with the former.
Any team that wants to immediatley add one of the best hitters in MLB history.
Its really that simple. I think you are vastly overestimating how much teams care about what money a guy makes in 5-6 etc years. I think its pretty clear they dont. Or at the very least, its at lot less than we do.
The Ohtani thing is barely worth arguing about. I was in the camp that said his contract should basically be “what is the most you’d theoretically pay a single player?” I don’t think the vast majority of teams would want Ohtani for free, much less raid their farm system, simply because most teams fundamentally don’t want to pay one player $46.5m per year. Acuña? I think most teams, all those with hopes of competing the next four years, absolutely would raid their farms for him.
But Tatis in the top 10 is bonkers to me. I wouldn’t take him for free with that contract. I think he’s one of the worst contracts in the league at this point. Dating back 366 days (leap year), he is 49th in WAR, sandwiched between Teoscar Hernandez and Ian Happ. That’s 139 games for Tatis, too, which honestly seems like a good luck run for him considering his injury history and suspension history.
Since the start of 2023, 36th in WAR; since the start of 2022, 83rd in WAR; just 2024, 48th in WAR.
Even going back to 2020, which is the rosiest cherry to pick, puts him at 24th in WAR.
I know there’s little evidence of PED use and its effects, but common sense says that players use them because they work. And “working” means they make you a better player. It’s impossible to tell to what extent PEDs aiding Tatis, but it’s also impossible to tell how much they did not. But it’s a fact that most of his power numbers, including results and the numbers behind the results, have gone down in 2023-2024.
This is who you want to pay $313m to and send another team a smorgasbord of prospects? No effing thank you!!
I thought I agreed with you, and then I thought I didn’t, and after looking at him some more, I just don’t know. He’s got a 137 wRC+ this year and that’s despite underperforming his xwOBA by 40 points. Last year he won a Platinum glove, so his defense is I suppose up in the air but likely more elite than not. And an AAV of only $25M lets me talk myself into him being a top 10 trade asset.
He destroys the baseball, runs fast, has a great arm, has cut his K rate consistently, he’s only 25, there’s a lot to like here.
The reason most of Tatis’ power numbers have dropped is he’s switched from a super pull-happy type to an all-fields approach. His avg EV is still 94th percentile this year. I get being hung up on injuries, but the “PEDs = power” is shallow analysis.
This is one of the biggest things wrong with MLB. Some teams simply would not want Mookie Betts at that salary, which basically means they don’t want any player at that salary no matter how otherworldy good they are. Barry Bonds, Ted WIlliams, Willie Mays, Cy Young, or Babe Ruth comes back? Sorry, not for $25M.
If your owner would not allow you to be interested in Mookie Betts, you should reconsider whether or not they belong in professional baseball.
Love these. I think it would be helpful to add a Team column to the summary table at the end of the article.
Re: Michael Harris ranking so highly…
Have we learned nothing from Jason Heyward? If we’re going to rank an OF highly, we should make sure the OF can also hit well.
Hayward did hit well in Atlanta and St Louis. I guess we could think that Harris would be terrible with the Cubs though
The thing that sticks out the most to me is looking back at the 2023 list there were 5 pitchers in the top 18 and 4 of them, Strider, McClanahan, Eury Perez and Alcantara, are all dealing with TJ surgery. Only Logan Webb survives which leads me to my belief that trading for pitchers, or signing free agent pitchers, Lucas Giolito, Blake Snell and Jordan Montgomery fill this garbage can, is a fruitless path. While these deals occasionally work out in total they make playing Mega Millions look like a far better bet.
Maybe Fangraphs should run a poll of which guy will be left out of the top ten – Devers, Tatis, or Ohtani. It’s a very neat quirk of this whole process that a guy could be so all or nothing, and perhaps undermines the exercise too. In the first instance, if a guy _just_ signed as a free agent (think last 18 months) and hasnt done much to change his value, and therefore has used up .5 or 1.5 of his youngest years it’s hard to defend conceptually why that player would have much value. I trust the other commenters that indeed such players do have trade value, but it’s a little counterintuitive.
The Author did a though exercise on this last week, which telegraphed putting these guys so high. If Judge and Betts are there, Ohtani is for sure.
The only real examples of great players owed a lot of money being traded would indicate that this is very, very wrong.
Gotta be Devers, easily. 2 years older and higher luxury-AAV than Tatis. He’s signed through age 36 season vs Tatis age-35, and athletically looking like he’ll be bat-only much sooner that Tatis will be.
You can count on one hand the number of players in the sport with realistic 8+ WAR potential and Ohtani is one of them. Not to mention he has too much non-WAR value/celebrity to be left off entirely.
I feel like Harris 2 is wildly overrated
Call me crazy, but if Cashman were to call up Anthopoulos and propose a Judge for Riley straight up, Atlanta would take that deal before Cashman finishes his sentence.
To say that Riley has more trade value than Judge is completely asinine, or most bluntly – “wrong”. Ironically, to make these lists more accurate, FanGraphs must consider the “fairy dust” element of popularity-centerpiece of the franchise.
And this is also the fact even though the Braves need an outfielder more than they need a 3rd baseman and the Yankees need a 3rd baseman more than they need an outfielder! If Cashmas were to earn more surplus value, as FanGraphs argues for here, he would be run on a post out of town!
Judge for Harris, too. 🙂 It’s funny to think about Cashman accepting that.
Though it feels right to me, I am trying to understand why Betts is 20th and Lindor is 44th.
Betts has been 7 fWAR better over his career, in 200 more plate appearances, BUT Betts is a year older, has $27 million more left on his contract after this year, and is projected to be worth 1 fWAR less than Lindor from ’25-’27 and 2 fWAR less from ’25-’29.
Why does the player who is cheaper and is projected to provide more wins rank far lower in trade value?
I imagine this is because almost half of Lindor’s value is from defense and that defensive value is harder to measure, causing teams to have more confidence in Betts’ value projections than Lindor’s. Or are teams relying on proprietary metrics that differ substantially from publicly available WAR projections?
Riley Greene above Spencer Steer?
and another thing: im not mad. please dont put in the newspaper that i got mad.
(sorry Ben)
Thanks for jumping the shark.
Michael Harris this high I can’t reconcile. I know Ben talks to people and maybe they value him this way, but he’s clearly a guy that comes up and performs for half a season, then the pitchers figure him out over time. He reminds me of Franceour. He doesn’t walk, ever. He was never a top prospect. He has decent power but zero strike zone control, just like Frenchy. These guys come up and hit .300 plus their rookie year and then the league catches up to them and they hit like Harrison Bader. Yes he’s a good defender but so is Harrison Bader.