Andrés Giménez’s Breakout Has Softened the Blow of the Francisco Lindor Trade

Andres Gimenez
Jay Biggerstaff-USA TODAY Sports

A flourishing youth movement was the major reason why Cleveland went from sub-.500 also-rans in 2021 to runaway division winners in ’22. By Baseball-Reference’s measures, the Guardians were the youngest team in the majors, with a weighted average age of 25.9 years old for their position players and 26.3 years old for their pitchers. But while rookies Steven Kwan and Oscar Gonzalez played significant roles in their turnaround, the biggest surprise on the team was second baseman Andrés Giménez, who after a rough 2021 season broke out and became an All-Star. He not only edged out José Ramírez for the team lead with a 140 wRC+ but also finished a whisker behind him with 6.1 WAR, good for fifth in the AL.

The 24-year-old Giménez was one of four players acquired from the Mets in the January 2021 blockbuster that sent Francisco Lindor and Carlos Carrasco to the Big Apple, along with current shortstop Amed Rosario (who himself had a very solid season), and two lower-level prospects (outfielder Isaiah Greene and righty Josh Wolf). Even for a franchise that had endured the departures of All-Stars such as Michael Brantley (free agency in October 2018), Trevor Bauer (traded to Cincinnati in July 2019), and two-time Cy Young winner Corey Kluber (traded to Texas in December 2019) as ownership slashed payroll, the Lindor trade was a bitter pill to swallow. He had been drafted and developed by the team, becoming a perennial All-Star who was already laying tracks toward Cooperstown.

Lindor, who would have been a free agent following the 2021 season, agreed to a 10-year, $341 million extension with the Mets just before Opening Day, but followed up with a modest-by-his-high-standards 4.2-WAR season, during which he was limited to 125 games by injuries. If that was a bit disappointing — and in the context of the Mets’ 77–85 season, it was, particularly when paired with Carrasco’s 12-start, 6.04 ERA slog — then the other side of the deal wasn’t much to write home about, either.

Rosario, then 25 years old, hit a respectable .282/.321/.409 (99 wRC+) in his first year with Cleveland, playing a decent shortstop en route to 2.1 WAR, a very solid bounceback after a disappointing 2020 (76 wRC+, 0.1 WAR). Giménez, however, struggled, playing just 68 games and spending nearly three months at Triple-A Columbus. To be fair, his results improved significantly after returning from his mid-May demotion:

Andrés Giménez 2021, Before and After Demotion
Split AVG OBP SLG wRC+ BB% K% EV Barrel HardHit%
1st Half .179 .226 .308 43 3.5% 29.4% 86.2 5.5% 32.7%
2nd Half .245 .320 .382 94 6.4% 23.2% 86.4 2.4% 28.9%
Total .218 .252 .315 74 5.2% 25.7% 86.3 3.6% 30.4%

That said, Giménez wasn’t hitting the ball any harder when he returned, and his approach at the plate left plenty to be desired. Via the Akron Beacon Journal’s Ryan Lewis:

Manager Terry Francona said earlier this year that Giménez’s 2021 was derailed in part due to a lack of consistent approach. Whenever Giménez had a poor series, or even just a bad night, he’d alter something in his swing, hoping it would work out better the next day. In reality, it was only making it more difficult to find any rhythm.

One aspect of Giménez’ struggles was his use of a leg kick as he loaded his swing, something that the Mets encouraged, believing it would help him produce more power. You can see it here in 2020:

The kick was still there in early 2021, before his demotion:

And it was there for this September 18, 2021 homer…

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…but either toned down into more of a toe tap or absent at times shortly before and after that homer. These are all from September 2021:

“Last year he’d deviate after like a bad game,” Francona told Lewis in May. “You’d have different stance, you have a leg kick you didn’t have, you get a toe-tap.”

This season, hitting coaches Chris Valaika and Victor Rodriguez helped Giménez adopt a more consistent approach, one that included the elimination of his leg kick, which the coaches believed was hindering his pitch recognition and his timing. From the September 30 Lewis piece:

“Some guys can hit with the leg kick, some guys it’s maybe not the most efficient for them,” Valaika said. “I think for him, having that big leg kick was kind of hindering some of the strike zone awareness, having to maintain that move. Eliminating that has helped him let the ball travel and allowed him to stay behind the ball more constantly.”

…Ditching the leg kick allowed Giménez to be in the best position to look for the fastball first, which in turn allowed him to better react to off-speed pitches, which in turn led to improved strike zone discipline.

“He’s been fastball first the whole year and he’s been able to recognize and make adjustments on the breaking ball, and him being in the ground more allows him to ride out those pitches,” Valaika said. “You see him pull spin and hit fastballs the other way.”

Giménez now uses a more subtle toe tap for timing:

With his new mechanics, the Statcast numbers show that he improved in one area or another against every major pitch type relative to last year:

Andrés Giménez vs. Pitch Types, 2021-22
Pitch Season % PA AVG SLG wOBA Whiff HardHit% Runs
4-Seam 2021 34.7% 71 .215 .308 .266 33.1% 41.5% -4
4-Seam 2022 39.3% 202 .227 .381 .319 26.8% 38.1% 2
Sinker 2021 15.6% 33 .276 .414 .347 28.6% 28.0% -2
Sinker 2022 11.1% 53 .327 .510 .380 18.2% 46.3% 3
Curve 2021 11.4% 20 .211 .316 .250 35.4% 8.3% 1
Curve 2022 12.2% 71 .286 .365 .322 26.3% 30.6% -1
Slider 2021 15.1% 35 .286 .429 .399 26.4% 32.0% 1
Slider 2022 19.0% 114 .333 .505 .397 31.8% 34.9% 6
Changeup 2021 13.9% 29 .160 .280 .250 26.5% 31.6% 1
Changeup 2022 11.8% 75 .400 .714 .501 26.3% 48.2% 12
SOURCE: Baseball Savant

Overall, Giménez hit .297/.371/.466 with 17 homers and 20 steals; among second basemen, only Jose Altuve and Jeff McNeil had a higher wRC+. Giménez cut his chase rate (from 44.4% to a still-high 40.8%), his swinging-strike rate (from 16.2% to 12.9%), and his strikeout rate (from 25.1% to 20.1%) while walking slightly more often (from 5.2% to 6.1%). He hit the ball harder than before, and while his average exit velocity, barrel rate, and hard-hit rate still placed only in the 29th–36th percentile, his expected stats improved dramatically:

Andrés Giménez Statcast Profile
Season BBE EV LA Barrel% HardHit% AVG xBA SLG xSLG wOBA xwOBA
2021 138 86.3 9.0 3.6% 30.4% .218 .211 .351 .319 .277 .268
2022 386 87.8 11.7 6.2% 37.6% .297 .257 .466 .400 .364 .326

Giménez outdid those expected stats by a substantial margin, some of which probably owed to his 94th-percentile speed. He was one of the majors’ most productive hitters on groundballs, ranking among the top half-dozen in both batting average and wRC+:

Most Productive on Groundballs
Player Tm PA AVG SLG wRC+
Harold Ramírez TBR 176 .347 .392 116
Jeff McNeil NYM 195 .338 .400 114
Julio Rodríguez SEA 169 .343 .367 108
Xander Bogaerts BOS 207 .343 .386 103
Andrew Benintendi KCR/NYY 167 .335 .353 94
Andrés Giménez CLE 171 .333 .345 94
Yandy Díaz TBR 206 .306 .350 90
José Ramírez CLE 171 .310 .363 90
Adolis García TEX 174 .316 .351 89
Trea Turner LAD 226 .319 .350 89
William Contreras ATL 123 .317 .358 87
Steven Kwan CLE 214 .318 .336 86
Brandon Nimmo NYM 234 .308 .333 86
Luis González SFG 104 .308 .346 85
Bobby Witt Jr. KCR 167 .317 .341 84
Minimum 100 groundballs.

This was a big deal for Giménez given that all major leaguers combined for a .235 AVG and 35 wRC+ on grounders. Over the course of 171 PA, his .333 average translated into 17 extra hits; remove those from his batting line, and he’d finish with a .263 AVG and .433 SLG, much closer to his expected numbers.

Defensively, Giménez turned in a standout year as well, with his 16 DRS, 9 RAA, and 6.5 UZR all ranking second among second basemen, behind the Rockies’ Brendan Rodgers in the first two categories and the Tigers’ Jonathan Schoop in the third. The combination of his improvements on both sides of the ball yielded the majors’ second-biggest year-to-year jump in WAR among position players, behind only Aaron Judge:

Most Improved Players by WAR
Player Team 2021 2022 Dif
Aaron Judge NYY 5.5 11.4 5.9
Andrés Giménez CLE 0.8 6.1 5.3
Jeff McNeil NYM 1.3 5.9 4.5
Eugenio Suárez SEA -0.1 4.1 4.2
Christian Walker ARI 0.4 4.1 3.7
Alex Bregman HOU 2.1 5.5 3.4
Travis d’Arnaud ATL 0.6 3.9 3.3
Nolan Arenado STL 4.1 7.3 3.2
Jurickson Profar SDP -0.7 2.5 3.2
Ha-Seong Kim 김하성 SDP 0.5 3.7 3.2
Taylor Ward LAA 0.7 3.8 3.2
Manny Machado SDP 4.3 7.4 3.1
Mookie Betts LAD 3.5 6.6 3.1
Jose Trevino NYY 0.6 3.7 3.1
Yordan Alvarez HOU 3.7 6.7 3.0
Dansby Swanson ATL 3.4 6.3 3.0
Minimum 200 plate appearances in both 2021 and ’22.

That’s some collection of players. Fourteen of the 16 are on teams that reached the postseason, and so far, only a few have gone home. Many of those players were better than Giménez to begin with, but the season he put together moved him into their orbit. Also worth noting is that by position player bWAR (which uses DRS as its defensive input), only Judge outdid his 7.2 WAR.

At the time of the Lindor trade, Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projection showed Giménez to be worth 8.4 WAR — a little over two wins a year — from 2022 to ’25, his age-23–25 seasons (he turned 24 on September 4). Having done what he’s done at this tender age, his projection is now that of an annual four-win player:

ZiPS Projection – Andrés Giménez
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ DR WAR
2023 .274 .338 .447 515 70 141 27 4 18 64 31 123 22 109 5 4.0
2024 .276 .343 .463 497 70 137 28 4 19 65 32 122 21 115 6 4.0
2025 .273 .342 .472 498 71 136 28 4 21 67 33 127 21 116 7 4.1
2026 .272 .342 .472 496 71 135 28 4 21 68 34 128 20 117 7 4.1

Note that 2026 is now included here, as Giménez spent enough time in the minors last year to delay his free agency by a year. Via Szymborski, that kind of production would be worth a four-year, $126 million deal as a free agent. Giménez won’t even be eligible for arbitration until after next winter, though; that production is discounted to $65 million.

The sting of the Lindor trade is undeniable, particularly as the shortstop regained his MVP-caliber form this year in helping the Mets to 101 wins. Still, Giménez’s development and his team’s success illustrates that even if Rosario doesn’t advance beyond being a two-win player (next year’s ZiPS forecast for his final year before free agency is for a 97 wRC+ and 2.2 WAR) and if the other two prospects in the trade don’t develop, the Guardians secured a cornerstone in an otherwise painful trade.





Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.

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ihatehatazMember since 2018
3 years ago

Happy for Gimenez and Rosario. Definitely no sour grapes from this Mets fan, especially since the Mets had no idea what they were doing with Andres. Now that they have shed that awful name, I have problem rooting for that franchise in the playoffs.

David Klein
3 years ago
Reply to  ihatehataz

Rosario was a two plus war guy this year his empty batting average makes him look better than he is to some people. He’s not the bust he was here, but he’s like the most average ball player in the world. The Guardians have some real good middle infield prospects so I expect Rosario to be traded in the offseason.

EonADSMember since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  David Klein

By bWAR, he was worth over 4 WAR this year because they have a much more favorable view of his defense. OAA (which statcast and Fangraphs both use), is wonky when it comes to infielders. I’d take the middle ground between the two.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

OAA is a huge advance over DRS. The only problem with OAA is sometimes it is a bit too aggressive at assigning credit but DRS is even worse on that front.

EonADSMember since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

And yet they have utterly opposite opinions of Amed Rosario. Honestly, taking the middle ground seems like a safe bet to me.

Mahoney
3 years ago
Reply to  David Klein

Shortstop + “most average player in the world” = Eric Aybar!!!

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

The Erick Aybar Zone is real!

Left of Centerfield
3 years ago
Reply to  David Klein

I’d be surprised if they trade Rosario. Given that they should be a playoff contender, I’d be surprised if they’re willing to turn SS over to an unproven player. He’s also supposed to be a good teammate, hustles, etc. So I expect them to stay the course.

David Klein
3 years ago

They could move Gimenez to his natural position.

EonADSMember since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  David Klein

I could see them swapping roles on the infield, but I doubt they’re trading Rosario. He’s been a leader in the clubhouse by all accounts. Given that he’s one of the more experienced position players left on the Guardians roster, that doesn’t surprise me.

fjtorres
3 years ago
Reply to  David Klein

Robby Alomar came up as a SS but never returned to his “natural” position. The idea is to put players where they best help the team. Gimenez might go back to SS or stay at 2B but it won’t be solely about his original position.

Left of Centerfield
3 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

That’s not really true. Alomar played primarily second base his first two years in the minors. His third year (AA) he played primarily SS. Then in his very brief AAA career (9 games), he played exclusively at second. Overall, he played twice as many games at second than at short in the minors.

Left of Centerfield
3 years ago
Reply to  David Klein

But moving Gimenez to short (and trading Rosario) doesn’t help much. Instead of a hole at short, you’d have a hole at second. Guardians already have several lineup questions they need to answer next year. I can’t imagine they’re going to open up another hole in the lineup and turn it over to an unproven player.

fjtorres
3 years ago

None of the MI candidates really distinguished themselves this yrar like Kwan and Gonzalez did last year. Neither Freeman nor Arias have looked ready. Things might change by next spring but unless they (uncharacteristically–not holding my breath) splurge on Correa, Rosario starts ’23 at SS.

It also helps that Ramirez has openly lobbied for him to hang around.

BradleyZimmernsBizarreHitsMember since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

Agreed. Even if he’s nothing more than an average everyday player he’s good in the clubhouse and his hustle helps to set the tone. My money is on Rocchio being the next SS but he only had a month or so at AAA

Joe Joe
3 years ago

IIRC, Lindor was in the last year of his club control when they traded him (apologize if this is incorrect). Lindor would not have been the difference last year. Considering Gimenez provided more value at a lower cost this year (a year that the Guardians made the postseason) than Lindor did with the remaining time he had at the time of the trade, I have a hard time seeing the sting of the trade as the Guardians were a much better team this year with it than without.

One can shake fist at the Guardians for having a low payroll, but that trade should be judged by the value (including dollar value) they got back vs what was sent out.

Last edited 3 years ago by Joe Joe
proiste
3 years ago
Reply to  Joe Joe

Lot’s of people ignore this aspect of the trade, and I don’t understand why. Lindor was not guaranteed to sign an extension; his time with the Mets under his new contract should not be a factor when evaluating the trade

pezzicle
3 years ago
Reply to  Joe Joe

Absolutely. Lindor was under contract in CLE for 2021 and he walks after that. You are totally correct that 2022 Lindor production means nothing when evaluating the trade because Lindor isn’t in a CLE uniform this year regardless of if he is traded or now. Literally no CLE fan who knows anything about anything is upset about this trade.

They got Gimenez and used the money to sign Ramirez long term. Absolute win

fjtorres
3 years ago
Reply to  pezzicle

They also got Rosario, good for 2.3 fWAR IN 21&22.
bWAR has him at 1.9 and 4.1.

A useful piece for a while.

MichaelMember since 2020
3 years ago

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nate2095Member since 2019
3 years ago
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bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
3 years ago
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Every time I see one of these ads that is longer than the video their name goes in my little red book.

CC AFCMember since 2016
3 years ago

Underrated portion of his year was that his 25 HBP was second in the league and was a big boost to his OBP. Give him a more reasonable 10 HBP, which still would have been top 30 in the league, and (if I’m mathing correctly) he would have had about a .341 OBP rather than .371.

I’m not sure whether I should like that because it helps make up for his relative lack of walks or be scared that it’s going to get him hurt, but I think the correct answer is both.

Mahoney
3 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Lol, imagine if he had remained with the Mets. They would have broken the team HBP record soon after the trade deadline.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Yeah I don’t know if that’s sustainable but from an old school toughness perspective it’s great to see. There’s a reason we liked Pete Rose before his fall from grace.

Left of Centerfield
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

He was hit 13 times in 342 PAs in 2010 and 2011. Plus reached double digits consistently in the minors. So seems like he has a skill for it.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago

Skill is only part of it. At some point his body will have holes in it.

Domingo AyalaMember since 2024
3 years ago

I don’t think it just “softens the blow.” I think it’s a huge win for Cleveland both in short-term production, long-term production, and financially.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago

Is it sustainable? No probably not and the projections bear that out. But he can regress a long way and still be pretty good. Time to take the win and enjoy having a good player even if this might be his high water mark.

BradleyZimmernsBizarreHitsMember since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Even if be overachieved, he’s still super young and has room to both improve his approach and add more strength/exit velo without losing speed

SyndergaardengnomesMember since 2020
3 years ago

This article doesn’t even address the elephant in the room.

How the hell did they not chose the name Cleveland Spiders?

Guardians is a horrendous name…

David Klein
3 years ago

At least it is better than Commanders so they’ve got that going for them.

pfgrMember since 2018
3 years ago
Reply to  David Klein

I wish they had named the team the Cleveland Buckeyes to honor the Negro League team of the 1940s.

Domingo AyalaMember since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  pfgr

I like it. But really, I like any name better than “Guardians”.

Mahoney
3 years ago
Reply to  David Klein

I liked “Washington Football Team” a lot more than Commanders. I liked it totally unironically.

SyntonicMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  David Klein

I am still bitter that they passed up the opportunity to go with the infinitely superior Washington Warthogs. It calls back the Hogs, it’s alliterative, it’s unique, there’s pork jokes to be made and warthogs are cool.

It would have been perfect, so of course Dan Snyder didn’t want it.

marchandman34Member since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Syntonic

This would have been awesome.

fjtorres
3 years ago
Reply to  Syntonic

The A-10 sure is.
And a fair allusion for a footbal team.

Last edited 3 years ago by fjtorres
soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
3 years ago

Feels like one of those classic committee compromise choices that makes no one happy.

marchandman34Member since 2020
3 years ago

They are the Cleveland Ians for me, it’s what both the classic and the current names end in, my compromise.

fjtorres
3 years ago

The statues they’re named after are not particularly good either.
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BradleyZimmernsBizarreHitsMember since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

Disagree. Regardless, they’re iconic to those of us who grew up there

isavage
3 years ago

Counterpoint: Spiders would be incredibly stupid and Guardians is great

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  isavage

IMO in 10 years Guardians will seem like a totally normal name. The main reason the Spiders name seems better is because we have heard it before. I felt myself getting far more used to it even as the season went on.

proiste
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

This is true. People just don’t like change; people really pissed and moaned about the Washington Wizards for a while, and no one cares anymore

fjtorres
3 years ago
Reply to  isavage

The Spiders were a dominant team in tbeir day…until ownership gutted them due to low attendance for *one* year.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CLV/index.shtml

fjtorres
3 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

Also they were the ones you discovered Denton Young, ala Cyclone Young, and played him for his first 9 years. Their final year in 1899 was ignoble (cleveland has a history of bad owners) but the franchise name is worthy.

isavage
3 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

But no one likes spiders, and Cleveland isn’t renowned for its awesome spiders. It’s not renowned for it’s Guardians either but I rather like the subtler city reference, it’s not ridiculously on the nose like “Colorado Rockies”.

treebeardedMember since 2019
3 years ago
Reply to  isavage

Can you imagine the Cleveland Spiders trying to sell spider memorabilia to kids? Much harder to monetize.

fjtorres
3 years ago
Reply to  treebearded

“Spider-man, Spider-man, does whatever a Spider can”…

Or howsabout “Chatlotte’s Web”?

And did you even bother to check out the history of Cleveland with the NL SPIDERS?

Last edited 3 years ago by fjtorres
SenorGato
3 years ago
Reply to  isavage

Nah

BradleyZimmernsBizarreHitsMember since 2026
3 years ago

Ehh. As a native Clevelander I love it altho it did take a minute to grow on me. Those Guardians statues are associated in my memories with baseball and all the games I went to as a kid with my dad watching the great 90s squads that made me fall in love with baseball.

Baseball is such a localized Fandom and tbh what matters is how we feel about about name (the city is mixed but coming around)

fjtorres
3 years ago

Describing the 2021 Cleveland team as “sub-.500 also-rans” might be literally true but it is hardly a fair description of a team that lost its entire rotation to injury and ended exactly *1* game under .500 at 80-82.

The improvement from getting Bieber back by itself made them an 88-90-win team.

As is, they *only* won 92 games despite the doubleheader games punted by starting Gaddis and McCarty.

No question, the kids overachieved but the team was never as bad as projections made them out to be.

And odds are some of the kids wil be adding power to tbeir game. Their stealth rebuild isn’t done yet.

Last edited 3 years ago by fjtorres
tung_twista
3 years ago

This is a great article about Giménez who deserves one, but I cannot get over the fact that the most improved player in the league had 5.5 WAR last year. 

isavage
3 years ago

I don’t think most Cleveland fans had some big sting for trading Lindor. If anything we were more upset they traded Carrasco.

BradleyZimmernsBizarreHitsMember since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  isavage

Agreed. Ownership for better or for worse mentally prepared us but Cookie is a personal fave

SenorGato
3 years ago

Prototypical Future: Now starter at 2B…Odd hand hitter, premium defensive 2B, capable of spotting at SS, impact bat

It’s funny but this guy and Adames were the two same aged players outpacing former Future Cubs legend Isaac Parades through the minors…KATOH was not half bad eh

pezzicle
3 years ago

The sting of the Lindor trade is undeniable, particularly as the shortstop regained his MVP-caliber form this year in helping the Mets to 101 wins.

Not trying to be rude, but honestly this is just not really an accurate or fair take. Lindor was GONE after 2021 regardless. He was never going to sign long term here because this team was never going to offer him 300M, which was what he wanted. Even if Dolan was 50% less cheap than he is, they were still never going to sign him to that kind of contract.

So, honestly, 2021 Lindor doesn’t matter at all. And the trade was pretty much a success after last year too. Lindor and Cookie last year put up 4.3 WAR. Rosario and Gimenez put up 3.1 WAR

This year, Cookie put up 2.1 WAR and Lindor is gone anyway. Rosario and Gimenez put up 8.5 WAR.

It’s not even a contest. This trade is absolutely a win for both sides, I don’t think anyone in CLE would have rather not have done that trade

Domingo AyalaMember since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  pezzicle

Is it a win for both sides? Or would the Mets rather have Giménez, Rosario and $300+ million to spend elsewhere?

Last edited 3 years ago by Domingo Ayala
fjtorres
3 years ago
Reply to  Domingo Ayala

Depends On how they handle their FAs this winter.
If Cohen coughs up enough to keep all the key players, then maybe not.
They did get a WC after all.

sogoodlooking
3 years ago

“Andrés Giménez’s Breakout Has Softened the Blow of the Francisco Lindor Trade
—‘Softened the blow’? Cleveland crushed the Mets in this deal.

As more than a few of us pointed out at the time, the Mets had numerous serious holes in their roster, but SS was the one position where they had real depth and promise: a high upside farmhand in Giminez, a useful regular they were failing to teach properly in Rosario, and other promising SS’s further down in their system.

So what did they do? They dealt significant assets to bid against themselves in the year prior to the most lustrous SS class in MLB history, at their organization’s deepest position. If you look at it remotely objectively, even at the time it was foolish. Today? It’s disastrous.