Andrés Giménez’s Breakout Has Softened the Blow of the Francisco Lindor Trade

A flourishing youth movement was the major reason why Cleveland went from sub-.500 also-rans in 2021 to runaway division winners in ’22. By Baseball-Reference’s measures, the Guardians were the youngest team in the majors, with a weighted average age of 25.9 years old for their position players and 26.3 years old for their pitchers. But while rookies Steven Kwan and Oscar Gonzalez played significant roles in their turnaround, the biggest surprise on the team was second baseman Andrés Giménez, who after a rough 2021 season broke out and became an All-Star. He not only edged out José Ramírez for the team lead with a 140 wRC+ but also finished a whisker behind him with 6.1 WAR, good for fifth in the AL.
The 24-year-old Giménez was one of four players acquired from the Mets in the January 2021 blockbuster that sent Francisco Lindor and Carlos Carrasco to the Big Apple, along with current shortstop Amed Rosario (who himself had a very solid season), and two lower-level prospects (outfielder Isaiah Greene and righty Josh Wolf). Even for a franchise that had endured the departures of All-Stars such as Michael Brantley (free agency in October 2018), Trevor Bauer (traded to Cincinnati in July 2019), and two-time Cy Young winner Corey Kluber (traded to Texas in December 2019) as ownership slashed payroll, the Lindor trade was a bitter pill to swallow. He had been drafted and developed by the team, becoming a perennial All-Star who was already laying tracks toward Cooperstown.
Lindor, who would have been a free agent following the 2021 season, agreed to a 10-year, $341 million extension with the Mets just before Opening Day, but followed up with a modest-by-his-high-standards 4.2-WAR season, during which he was limited to 125 games by injuries. If that was a bit disappointing — and in the context of the Mets’ 77–85 season, it was, particularly when paired with Carrasco’s 12-start, 6.04 ERA slog — then the other side of the deal wasn’t much to write home about, either.
Rosario, then 25 years old, hit a respectable .282/.321/.409 (99 wRC+) in his first year with Cleveland, playing a decent shortstop en route to 2.1 WAR, a very solid bounceback after a disappointing 2020 (76 wRC+, 0.1 WAR). Giménez, however, struggled, playing just 68 games and spending nearly three months at Triple-A Columbus. To be fair, his results improved significantly after returning from his mid-May demotion:
| Split | AVG | OBP | SLG | wRC+ | BB% | K% | EV | Barrel | HardHit% |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1st Half | .179 | .226 | .308 | 43 | 3.5% | 29.4% | 86.2 | 5.5% | 32.7% |
| 2nd Half | .245 | .320 | .382 | 94 | 6.4% | 23.2% | 86.4 | 2.4% | 28.9% |
| Total | .218 | .252 | .315 | 74 | 5.2% | 25.7% | 86.3 | 3.6% | 30.4% |
That said, Giménez wasn’t hitting the ball any harder when he returned, and his approach at the plate left plenty to be desired. Via the Akron Beacon Journal’s Ryan Lewis:
Manager Terry Francona said earlier this year that Giménez’s 2021 was derailed in part due to a lack of consistent approach. Whenever Giménez had a poor series, or even just a bad night, he’d alter something in his swing, hoping it would work out better the next day. In reality, it was only making it more difficult to find any rhythm.
One aspect of Giménez’ struggles was his use of a leg kick as he loaded his swing, something that the Mets encouraged, believing it would help him produce more power. You can see it here in 2020:
The kick was still there in early 2021, before his demotion:
And it was there for this September 18, 2021 homer…
…but either toned down into more of a toe tap or absent at times shortly before and after that homer. These are all from September 2021:
“Last year he’d deviate after like a bad game,” Francona told Lewis in May. “You’d have different stance, you have a leg kick you didn’t have, you get a toe-tap.”
This season, hitting coaches Chris Valaika and Victor Rodriguez helped Giménez adopt a more consistent approach, one that included the elimination of his leg kick, which the coaches believed was hindering his pitch recognition and his timing. From the September 30 Lewis piece:
“Some guys can hit with the leg kick, some guys it’s maybe not the most efficient for them,” Valaika said. “I think for him, having that big leg kick was kind of hindering some of the strike zone awareness, having to maintain that move. Eliminating that has helped him let the ball travel and allowed him to stay behind the ball more constantly.”
…Ditching the leg kick allowed Giménez to be in the best position to look for the fastball first, which in turn allowed him to better react to off-speed pitches, which in turn led to improved strike zone discipline.
“He’s been fastball first the whole year and he’s been able to recognize and make adjustments on the breaking ball, and him being in the ground more allows him to ride out those pitches,” Valaika said. “You see him pull spin and hit fastballs the other way.”
Giménez now uses a more subtle toe tap for timing:
With his new mechanics, the Statcast numbers show that he improved in one area or another against every major pitch type relative to last year:
| Pitch | Season | % | PA | AVG | SLG | wOBA | Whiff | HardHit% | Runs |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 4-Seam | 2021 | 34.7% | 71 | .215 | .308 | .266 | 33.1% | 41.5% | -4 |
| 4-Seam | 2022 | 39.3% | 202 | .227 | .381 | .319 | 26.8% | 38.1% | 2 |
| Sinker | 2021 | 15.6% | 33 | .276 | .414 | .347 | 28.6% | 28.0% | -2 |
| Sinker | 2022 | 11.1% | 53 | .327 | .510 | .380 | 18.2% | 46.3% | 3 |
| Curve | 2021 | 11.4% | 20 | .211 | .316 | .250 | 35.4% | 8.3% | 1 |
| Curve | 2022 | 12.2% | 71 | .286 | .365 | .322 | 26.3% | 30.6% | -1 |
| Slider | 2021 | 15.1% | 35 | .286 | .429 | .399 | 26.4% | 32.0% | 1 |
| Slider | 2022 | 19.0% | 114 | .333 | .505 | .397 | 31.8% | 34.9% | 6 |
| Changeup | 2021 | 13.9% | 29 | .160 | .280 | .250 | 26.5% | 31.6% | 1 |
| Changeup | 2022 | 11.8% | 75 | .400 | .714 | .501 | 26.3% | 48.2% | 12 |
Overall, Giménez hit .297/.371/.466 with 17 homers and 20 steals; among second basemen, only Jose Altuve and Jeff McNeil had a higher wRC+. Giménez cut his chase rate (from 44.4% to a still-high 40.8%), his swinging-strike rate (from 16.2% to 12.9%), and his strikeout rate (from 25.1% to 20.1%) while walking slightly more often (from 5.2% to 6.1%). He hit the ball harder than before, and while his average exit velocity, barrel rate, and hard-hit rate still placed only in the 29th–36th percentile, his expected stats improved dramatically:
| Season | BBE | EV | LA | Barrel% | HardHit% | AVG | xBA | SLG | xSLG | wOBA | xwOBA |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2021 | 138 | 86.3 | 9.0 | 3.6% | 30.4% | .218 | .211 | .351 | .319 | .277 | .268 |
| 2022 | 386 | 87.8 | 11.7 | 6.2% | 37.6% | .297 | .257 | .466 | .400 | .364 | .326 |
Giménez outdid those expected stats by a substantial margin, some of which probably owed to his 94th-percentile speed. He was one of the majors’ most productive hitters on groundballs, ranking among the top half-dozen in both batting average and wRC+:
| Player | Tm | PA | AVG | SLG | wRC+ |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Harold Ramírez | TBR | 176 | .347 | .392 | 116 |
| Jeff McNeil | NYM | 195 | .338 | .400 | 114 |
| Julio Rodríguez | SEA | 169 | .343 | .367 | 108 |
| Xander Bogaerts | BOS | 207 | .343 | .386 | 103 |
| Andrew Benintendi | KCR/NYY | 167 | .335 | .353 | 94 |
| Andrés Giménez | CLE | 171 | .333 | .345 | 94 |
| Yandy Díaz | TBR | 206 | .306 | .350 | 90 |
| José Ramírez | CLE | 171 | .310 | .363 | 90 |
| Adolis García | TEX | 174 | .316 | .351 | 89 |
| Trea Turner | LAD | 226 | .319 | .350 | 89 |
| William Contreras | ATL | 123 | .317 | .358 | 87 |
| Steven Kwan | CLE | 214 | .318 | .336 | 86 |
| Brandon Nimmo | NYM | 234 | .308 | .333 | 86 |
| Luis González | SFG | 104 | .308 | .346 | 85 |
| Bobby Witt Jr. | KCR | 167 | .317 | .341 | 84 |
This was a big deal for Giménez given that all major leaguers combined for a .235 AVG and 35 wRC+ on grounders. Over the course of 171 PA, his .333 average translated into 17 extra hits; remove those from his batting line, and he’d finish with a .263 AVG and .433 SLG, much closer to his expected numbers.
Defensively, Giménez turned in a standout year as well, with his 16 DRS, 9 RAA, and 6.5 UZR all ranking second among second basemen, behind the Rockies’ Brendan Rodgers in the first two categories and the Tigers’ Jonathan Schoop in the third. The combination of his improvements on both sides of the ball yielded the majors’ second-biggest year-to-year jump in WAR among position players, behind only Aaron Judge:
| Player | Team | 2021 | 2022 | Dif |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Aaron Judge | NYY | 5.5 | 11.4 | 5.9 |
| Andrés Giménez | CLE | 0.8 | 6.1 | 5.3 |
| Jeff McNeil | NYM | 1.3 | 5.9 | 4.5 |
| Eugenio Suárez | SEA | -0.1 | 4.1 | 4.2 |
| Christian Walker | ARI | 0.4 | 4.1 | 3.7 |
| Alex Bregman | HOU | 2.1 | 5.5 | 3.4 |
| Travis d’Arnaud | ATL | 0.6 | 3.9 | 3.3 |
| Nolan Arenado | STL | 4.1 | 7.3 | 3.2 |
| Jurickson Profar | SDP | -0.7 | 2.5 | 3.2 |
| Ha-Seong Kim 김하성 | SDP | 0.5 | 3.7 | 3.2 |
| Taylor Ward | LAA | 0.7 | 3.8 | 3.2 |
| Manny Machado | SDP | 4.3 | 7.4 | 3.1 |
| Mookie Betts | LAD | 3.5 | 6.6 | 3.1 |
| Jose Trevino | NYY | 0.6 | 3.7 | 3.1 |
| Yordan Alvarez | HOU | 3.7 | 6.7 | 3.0 |
| Dansby Swanson | ATL | 3.4 | 6.3 | 3.0 |
That’s some collection of players. Fourteen of the 16 are on teams that reached the postseason, and so far, only a few have gone home. Many of those players were better than Giménez to begin with, but the season he put together moved him into their orbit. Also worth noting is that by position player bWAR (which uses DRS as its defensive input), only Judge outdid his 7.2 WAR.
At the time of the Lindor trade, Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projection showed Giménez to be worth 8.4 WAR — a little over two wins a year — from 2022 to ’25, his age-23–25 seasons (he turned 24 on September 4). Having done what he’s done at this tender age, his projection is now that of an annual four-win player:
| Year | BA | OBP | SLG | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | OPS+ | DR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2023 | .274 | .338 | .447 | 515 | 70 | 141 | 27 | 4 | 18 | 64 | 31 | 123 | 22 | 109 | 5 | 4.0 |
| 2024 | .276 | .343 | .463 | 497 | 70 | 137 | 28 | 4 | 19 | 65 | 32 | 122 | 21 | 115 | 6 | 4.0 |
| 2025 | .273 | .342 | .472 | 498 | 71 | 136 | 28 | 4 | 21 | 67 | 33 | 127 | 21 | 116 | 7 | 4.1 |
| 2026 | .272 | .342 | .472 | 496 | 71 | 135 | 28 | 4 | 21 | 68 | 34 | 128 | 20 | 117 | 7 | 4.1 |
Note that 2026 is now included here, as Giménez spent enough time in the minors last year to delay his free agency by a year. Via Szymborski, that kind of production would be worth a four-year, $126 million deal as a free agent. Giménez won’t even be eligible for arbitration until after next winter, though; that production is discounted to $65 million.
The sting of the Lindor trade is undeniable, particularly as the shortstop regained his MVP-caliber form this year in helping the Mets to 101 wins. Still, Giménez’s development and his team’s success illustrates that even if Rosario doesn’t advance beyond being a two-win player (next year’s ZiPS forecast for his final year before free agency is for a 97 wRC+ and 2.2 WAR) and if the other two prospects in the trade don’t develop, the Guardians secured a cornerstone in an otherwise painful trade.
Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.
Happy for Gimenez and Rosario. Definitely no sour grapes from this Mets fan, especially since the Mets had no idea what they were doing with Andres. Now that they have shed that awful name, I have problem rooting for that franchise in the playoffs.
Rosario was a two plus war guy this year his empty batting average makes him look better than he is to some people. He’s not the bust he was here, but he’s like the most average ball player in the world. The Guardians have some real good middle infield prospects so I expect Rosario to be traded in the offseason.
By bWAR, he was worth over 4 WAR this year because they have a much more favorable view of his defense. OAA (which statcast and Fangraphs both use), is wonky when it comes to infielders. I’d take the middle ground between the two.
OAA is a huge advance over DRS. The only problem with OAA is sometimes it is a bit too aggressive at assigning credit but DRS is even worse on that front.
And yet they have utterly opposite opinions of Amed Rosario. Honestly, taking the middle ground seems like a safe bet to me.
Shortstop + “most average player in the world” = Eric Aybar!!!
The Erick Aybar Zone is real!
I’d be surprised if they trade Rosario. Given that they should be a playoff contender, I’d be surprised if they’re willing to turn SS over to an unproven player. He’s also supposed to be a good teammate, hustles, etc. So I expect them to stay the course.
They could move Gimenez to his natural position.
I could see them swapping roles on the infield, but I doubt they’re trading Rosario. He’s been a leader in the clubhouse by all accounts. Given that he’s one of the more experienced position players left on the Guardians roster, that doesn’t surprise me.
Robby Alomar came up as a SS but never returned to his “natural” position. The idea is to put players where they best help the team. Gimenez might go back to SS or stay at 2B but it won’t be solely about his original position.
That’s not really true. Alomar played primarily second base his first two years in the minors. His third year (AA) he played primarily SS. Then in his very brief AAA career (9 games), he played exclusively at second. Overall, he played twice as many games at second than at short in the minors.
But moving Gimenez to short (and trading Rosario) doesn’t help much. Instead of a hole at short, you’d have a hole at second. Guardians already have several lineup questions they need to answer next year. I can’t imagine they’re going to open up another hole in the lineup and turn it over to an unproven player.
None of the MI candidates really distinguished themselves this yrar like Kwan and Gonzalez did last year. Neither Freeman nor Arias have looked ready. Things might change by next spring but unless they (uncharacteristically–not holding my breath) splurge on Correa, Rosario starts ’23 at SS.
It also helps that Ramirez has openly lobbied for him to hang around.
Agreed. Even if he’s nothing more than an average everyday player he’s good in the clubhouse and his hustle helps to set the tone. My money is on Rocchio being the next SS but he only had a month or so at AAA
IIRC, Lindor was in the last year of his club control when they traded him (apologize if this is incorrect). Lindor would not have been the difference last year. Considering Gimenez provided more value at a lower cost this year (a year that the Guardians made the postseason) than Lindor did with the remaining time he had at the time of the trade, I have a hard time seeing the sting of the trade as the Guardians were a much better team this year with it than without.
One can shake fist at the Guardians for having a low payroll, but that trade should be judged by the value (including dollar value) they got back vs what was sent out.
Lot’s of people ignore this aspect of the trade, and I don’t understand why. Lindor was not guaranteed to sign an extension; his time with the Mets under his new contract should not be a factor when evaluating the trade
Absolutely. Lindor was under contract in CLE for 2021 and he walks after that. You are totally correct that 2022 Lindor production means nothing when evaluating the trade because Lindor isn’t in a CLE uniform this year regardless of if he is traded or now. Literally no CLE fan who knows anything about anything is upset about this trade.
They got Gimenez and used the money to sign Ramirez long term. Absolute win
They also got Rosario, good for 2.3 fWAR IN 21&22.
bWAR has him at 1.9 and 4.1.
A useful piece for a while.
The ads on these videos sure suck on mobile, lmao
The ads on these videos suck period. Having 15-20 second ads for 15-20 second videos where a good chunk of the article is about making points about things in the video is just an awful choice by FG. Very disappointed they’ve decided to go down this route. I know they are looking for other ways to monetize but it’s a crappy experience for someone who is a paying contributor
Every time I see one of these ads that is longer than the video their name goes in my little red book.
Underrated portion of his year was that his 25 HBP was second in the league and was a big boost to his OBP. Give him a more reasonable 10 HBP, which still would have been top 30 in the league, and (if I’m mathing correctly) he would have had about a .341 OBP rather than .371.
I’m not sure whether I should like that because it helps make up for his relative lack of walks or be scared that it’s going to get him hurt, but I think the correct answer is both.
Lol, imagine if he had remained with the Mets. They would have broken the team HBP record soon after the trade deadline.
Yeah I don’t know if that’s sustainable but from an old school toughness perspective it’s great to see. There’s a reason we liked Pete Rose before his fall from grace.
He was hit 13 times in 342 PAs in 2010 and 2011. Plus reached double digits consistently in the minors. So seems like he has a skill for it.
Skill is only part of it. At some point his body will have holes in it.
I don’t think it just “softens the blow.” I think it’s a huge win for Cleveland both in short-term production, long-term production, and financially.
Is it sustainable? No probably not and the projections bear that out. But he can regress a long way and still be pretty good. Time to take the win and enjoy having a good player even if this might be his high water mark.
Even if be overachieved, he’s still super young and has room to both improve his approach and add more strength/exit velo without losing speed
This article doesn’t even address the elephant in the room.
How the hell did they not chose the name Cleveland Spiders?
Guardians is a horrendous name…
At least it is better than Commanders so they’ve got that going for them.
I wish they had named the team the Cleveland Buckeyes to honor the Negro League team of the 1940s.
I like it. But really, I like any name better than “Guardians”.
I liked “Washington Football Team” a lot more than Commanders. I liked it totally unironically.
I am still bitter that they passed up the opportunity to go with the infinitely superior Washington Warthogs. It calls back the Hogs, it’s alliterative, it’s unique, there’s pork jokes to be made and warthogs are cool.
It would have been perfect, so of course Dan Snyder didn’t want it.
This would have been awesome.
The A-10 sure is.
And a fair allusion for a footbal team.
Feels like one of those classic committee compromise choices that makes no one happy.
They are the Cleveland Ians for me, it’s what both the classic and the current names end in, my compromise.
The statues they’re named after are not particularly good either.
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Disagree. Regardless, they’re iconic to those of us who grew up there
Counterpoint: Spiders would be incredibly stupid and Guardians is great
IMO in 10 years Guardians will seem like a totally normal name. The main reason the Spiders name seems better is because we have heard it before. I felt myself getting far more used to it even as the season went on.
This is true. People just don’t like change; people really pissed and moaned about the Washington Wizards for a while, and no one cares anymore
The Spiders were a dominant team in tbeir day…until ownership gutted them due to low attendance for *one* year.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CLV/index.shtml
Also they were the ones you discovered Denton Young, ala Cyclone Young, and played him for his first 9 years. Their final year in 1899 was ignoble (cleveland has a history of bad owners) but the franchise name is worthy.
But no one likes spiders, and Cleveland isn’t renowned for its awesome spiders. It’s not renowned for it’s Guardians either but I rather like the subtler city reference, it’s not ridiculously on the nose like “Colorado Rockies”.
Can you imagine the Cleveland Spiders trying to sell spider memorabilia to kids? Much harder to monetize.
“Spider-man, Spider-man, does whatever a Spider can”…
Or howsabout “Chatlotte’s Web”?
And did you even bother to check out the history of Cleveland with the NL SPIDERS?
Nah
Ehh. As a native Clevelander I love it altho it did take a minute to grow on me. Those Guardians statues are associated in my memories with baseball and all the games I went to as a kid with my dad watching the great 90s squads that made me fall in love with baseball.
Baseball is such a localized Fandom and tbh what matters is how we feel about about name (the city is mixed but coming around)
Describing the 2021 Cleveland team as “sub-.500 also-rans” might be literally true but it is hardly a fair description of a team that lost its entire rotation to injury and ended exactly *1* game under .500 at 80-82.
The improvement from getting Bieber back by itself made them an 88-90-win team.
As is, they *only* won 92 games despite the doubleheader games punted by starting Gaddis and McCarty.
No question, the kids overachieved but the team was never as bad as projections made them out to be.
And odds are some of the kids wil be adding power to tbeir game. Their stealth rebuild isn’t done yet.
This is a great article about Giménez who deserves one, but I cannot get over the fact that the most improved player in the league had 5.5 WAR last year.
I don’t think most Cleveland fans had some big sting for trading Lindor. If anything we were more upset they traded Carrasco.
Agreed. Ownership for better or for worse mentally prepared us but Cookie is a personal fave
Prototypical Future: Now starter at 2B…Odd hand hitter, premium defensive 2B, capable of spotting at SS, impact bat
It’s funny but this guy and Adames were the two same aged players outpacing former Future Cubs legend Isaac Parades through the minors…KATOH was not half bad eh
Not trying to be rude, but honestly this is just not really an accurate or fair take. Lindor was GONE after 2021 regardless. He was never going to sign long term here because this team was never going to offer him 300M, which was what he wanted. Even if Dolan was 50% less cheap than he is, they were still never going to sign him to that kind of contract.
So, honestly, 2021 Lindor doesn’t matter at all. And the trade was pretty much a success after last year too. Lindor and Cookie last year put up 4.3 WAR. Rosario and Gimenez put up 3.1 WAR
This year, Cookie put up 2.1 WAR and Lindor is gone anyway. Rosario and Gimenez put up 8.5 WAR.
It’s not even a contest. This trade is absolutely a win for both sides, I don’t think anyone in CLE would have rather not have done that trade
Is it a win for both sides? Or would the Mets rather have Giménez, Rosario and $300+ million to spend elsewhere?
Depends On how they handle their FAs this winter.
If Cohen coughs up enough to keep all the key players, then maybe not.
They did get a WC after all.
“Andrés Giménez’s Breakout Has Softened the Blow of the Francisco Lindor Trade”
—‘Softened the blow’? Cleveland crushed the Mets in this deal.
As more than a few of us pointed out at the time, the Mets had numerous serious holes in their roster, but SS was the one position where they had real depth and promise: a high upside farmhand in Giminez, a useful regular they were failing to teach properly in Rosario, and other promising SS’s further down in their system.
So what did they do? They dealt significant assets to bid against themselves in the year prior to the most lustrous SS class in MLB history, at their organization’s deepest position. If you look at it remotely objectively, even at the time it was foolish. Today? It’s disastrous.