Rays Continue Their Roster Churn

For some time, the Rays have approached prospect valuation similarly to other small market clubs like Pittsburgh. The short version is that Tampa has valued their prospects more highly than almost any other club because their small payroll means cheap contributors are worth more because they have the least to spend. In recent years, they have also led the farm system rankings and had among the deepest 40-man rosters, causing them to trade valuable prospects like Nick Solak and
Jesús Sánchez due to these two pressures. This dynamic was also clearly at work in last week’s Matthew Liberatore trade.

Adding cheap, controllable major league talent to one of the best teams in baseball is key to the Rays both being better when their present competitive window is open and allowing the team to keep players who they’ve helped improve and create value, thus avoiding the same fate as they did with Avisaíl García. García signed a one-year make-good deal for 2019 for $3.5 million guaranteed; he then made good and got $20 million from the Brewers.

Liberatore is among the top 100 prospects in baseball and one of a dozen or so pitching prospects with frontline potential, but he was also a 19 year old in Low-A in 2019. He’s made expendable by a deep farm system and his distance from the big leagues. By trading him, the Rays got short-term upside back in a cost-controlled José Martínez and the six or seven years of imminent major league contributions from Randy Arozarena, in addition to the added value from the draft pick swap ahead of one of the deepest draft classes in years.

The Rays proactively cut fringe players from the 40-man during the season to give themselves the margin for error to add when the time comes without worrying that they’ll lose value by clearing roster space, since their 40th player is better than almost everyone else’s. The trade with the Cardinals was unique in that Tampa Bay added two 40-man players while trading two prospects, spending some of the 40-man breathing room they’d been hoarding the last few years.

Before officially adding Martínez and Arozarena to the 40-man roster, Tampa Bay jettisoned back-of-the-40-man right-handed pitcher Austin Pruitt to Houston for fringe prospects Cal Stevenson, a 35+ FV center fielder due to speed and on-base skills with two seasons until he needs to be added to the 40-man roster, and Peyton Battenfield, a recent ninth rounder with a low-90s fastball that plays average in relief and who is three seasons from a 40-man decision. And just like that, the Rays are back at a lean and mean, full 40-man.

If Martínez dramatically improves, his arb salary could jump enough that he then becomes expendable, but he’ll draw a decent return if that happens, similar to Steven Souza’s trade to Arizona. It’s a complicated dance to service the short-, middle- and long-term needs of the roster with a small margin for error in terms of payroll and 40-man spots. It often looks confounding from a distance, but the Rays are one of the best at the dance.

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Baron Samedi
6 years ago

an embarrassment to the game

Stovokor
6 years ago
Reply to  Baron Samedi

He’s probably referring to TB ownership, and he’s not wrong. What the front office achieves given their minuscule resources is incredible.

lemurineMember since 2017
6 years ago
Reply to  Stovokor

Curious how we really know their resources are so small.

OkraMember since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  lemurine

We know their local TV $ is in the lower third of league. And attendance has been last or second to last in MLB the last five years. It’s not really a mystery. Could ownership spend more? Sure. Could they spend *a lot* more? Nope.

Baron Samedi
6 years ago
Reply to  Baron Samedi

your down votes nourish me, plebs

tuna411
6 years ago
Reply to  Baron Samedi

@baron you somehow faked your way past the age restraints

Baron Samedi
6 years ago
Reply to  tuna411

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6 years ago
Reply to  Baron Samedi

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Baron Samedi
6 years ago
Reply to  Baron Samedi

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stevensl
6 years ago

A few other expendable prospects were Jake Cronenwroth and Kean Wong, who both performed at a high level in Triple AAA last year. I frequently found myself asking myself when they were going to give these guys a shot, when they clearly seemed ready to graduate from MILB. Like you said, though, the Rays 40 man roster crunch has very good AAA players looking for playing time elsewhere:

Jake Cronenworth: had a 147 wRC+ at AAA Durham in 2019, and a very respectable .334/.429/.520 line; traded to SDP in the Tommy Pham deal

Kean Wong: had a 116 wRC+ at AAA Durham in 2019, an above average .307/.375/.465 line; DFA’d in 2019, claimed by the Angels.

BenjaminMember since 2019
6 years ago
Reply to  stevensl

Kean Wong was exposed to the Rule V draft several years in a row and not taken. It’s not just the Rays who don’t think he’ll do well in MLB despite the minor league stats. Of course, he could still prove everybody wrong.

stevensl
6 years ago
Reply to  Benjamin

Yeah, he may just be a replacement level player, but I could be wrong.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago

Well, it’s confounding at a distance because it doesn’t make a ton of sense from a competitive standpoint. Trading their second-best position player for a guy in A-ball and a low-OBP out machine, and then trading a better guy in A-ball for a guy who (at least for now) is the 4th outfielder and the lesser half of a DH platoon manages the incredible feat of making the team worse now and weakening their long-term outlook.

But, what it does do is it saves them $2.5M this year by going from Pham’s salary to Renfroe’s and Martinez’s, and it reduces the chances of calamity striking this year with an injury to Pham. Because they now have a bunch of redundant pieces, it’ll take a lot of injuries for them to receive bad production at any one of them. It’s basically saying “we are not winning the division unless some really bad things happen to our competitors, but we are going to be in the wild-card hunt and will maximize the probability of that to our best ability.”

I find this tradeoff depressing because although this does protect them from calamity a bit, they could have actually improved and not hurt the long-term outlook as much by (a) not trading Pham and (b) trading a lesser prospect (or prospects) for a guy like Arozarena. If you ran a simulation a whole bunch of times, Pham is more valuable than Martinez/Renfroe in a whole lot more than half of them.

ThrasiusMember since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It does look irrational. However, we don’t know what information we’re missing. With Pham, my guess is they think he’s about to significantly decline. At his age, with his injuries, and his significant decrease in sprint speed, that may be the case.

For the most recent trade, I think the public overvalues good prospects (50ish) far from the majors and undervalues decent (45ish) prospects close to or at the major league level.

Still, this offseason does look weird for the Rays and in a way past offseasons haven’t.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Thrasius

I’ve come to the conclusion that the Rays’ whole philosophy is predicated on remaining relevant enough to get a stadium deal, while preserving their long-term ability to compete if they actually get one.

I used to refer to this as “trying to get as close to .500 without actually going under it” but I think it’s slightly different than that: They just don’t care about the ceiling of the team, they care about the floor. If someone came up to them and said: “We’ll trade you a couple two-win pitchers on one-year contracts for Charlie Morton”, they would do it, simply because they want to ensure that they don’t want to risk any chance they will receive substandard production anywhere. I think this is a misguided approach to team-building, but the team is so good at identifying amateur talent and developing it that they can do a lot of strange things and still win games.

Sandy Kazmir
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yes, the team that has won 186 games the last two years doesn’t care about winning as many as they can.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Sandy Kazmir

I don’t know what that even means. They clearly care about “winning” in some sense. They’d just much rather maximize the chance they get to 85 wins than try to maintain 95 wins (or push for more). That seems like a contradiction, but it’s not at all–if you have a 2-win player in the lineup and another one on the bench, you limit your downside risk compared to having one 4-win player starting. You just also limit the upside as well.

Unless you have some other explanation for why they repeatedly make moves that involve getting rid of their best players and replacing them with two guys who are half as good.

Dooduh
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Arozarena is basically a young Tommy Pham.

JohnnyRockport
6 years ago
Reply to  Dooduh

He’ll be a fan favorite if his nickname is “Rice-a-Roni.” I’ll just show myself out…

Baron Samedi
6 years ago
Reply to  Sandy Kazmir

Imagine believing this… are you an MBA?

brentdaily
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

They, more than anyone, would rather sell someone a year too early rather than a year too late. They aren’t resourced (i.e. allowed by ownership, not that they can’t afford it) well enough to take the risk of riding the decline years.

Baron Samedi
6 years ago
Reply to  brentdaily

Thanks, Brent, for making excuses for billionaires.

Shalesh
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I find the Rays’ interest in Martinez and Renfroe confounding especially after they acquired Tsutsugo and already have Choi, but Liberatore (FV55) for Arozarena (Longenhagen said they were about to upgrade him to an FV50-) is strikingly similar to Jesus Sanchez (FV55 since downgraded to FV50) for Nick Anderson — a perhaps overrated prospect trading for 6+ years of control over a player who is already producing at the major-league level.

I think they also think Pham is headed for steep decline (I think he had a poor 2nd half), so why not pick up an FV50 SS like Xavier Edwards?

Wouldn’t it be interesting if the Rays just sent Liberatore, Edwards, and another prospect for Arenado’s 2 years (before he opts out)? I hope they shock the world at the ASB and trade for a 1/2-season of Betts.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Shalesh

The Jesus Sanchez deal is actually one of the few moves I understood. The Rays clearly didn’t think they could get him to make the adjustments he would need to reach his potential, and the Marlins aren’t too concerned with that kind of stuff. Also, they were in the middle of a playoff race, and Nick Anderson (while probably not a true-talent 2-win reliever over the long-haul) certainly helped them a lot then, and he probably will still be pretty good.

But, no, the Rays are not consolidating*, and anyone who is holding out hope they will is going to be disappointed. They don’t even consolidate when they’re trading their prospects for veterans.


*At least not until they get a stadium deal, at which point I’m not sure what will happen.

Dooduh
6 years ago
Reply to  Shalesh

I could understand practically everything they’ve been doing except for the acquisition of Edwards when they’re already loaded with elite MI prospects.

Sandy Kazmir
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It’s a good thing they play the game on the field then. If you had watched Tommy play you’d see a guy with incredible heart, but one whose body is betraying him. You move a guy like that for what he is likely to be worth before it becomes apparent that he isn’t worth what you think. For that they got a perfectly fine outfielder who fills a real need vLHP. They also got a top-50 prospect for him that offsets the top-50 prospect they traded to round out replacing Pham. Not sure where you stand, but personally, I’ll take a top-50 hitter over a top-50 pitcher.

Jose Martinez has hit both hands well throughout his career other than last year when a shoulder issue restricted his ability to compete. He’s one of the best pure hitters in the game and will only need to do just that very thing this year. Against both lefties and righties. They also got Arozarena who looks like a capable CF that plays plus in the corners, should hit lefties well, and might be around average against same-handers.

You’re high on Pham because you haven’t watched him deteriorate. It’s likely that what he fetched this year would be laughably high compared to if the trade was made a year from now. His production has been fully replaced by a mish-mash of promising players that can fit in a role, but might offer more than that given an opportunity.

Folks like yourself constantly harangue the team over the money as if that’s the sole reason they make these moves. The club realized following the 2010 exodus that no matter how many picks you have and no matter how good the draft, none of that matters if they’re not top-10 or whatever picks. That means you cannot rely on the draft to replace players while you’re a winning club. Furthermore, that means you have to move players for equal (or better) value while you retain control, and as the league has further moved away from giving real assets for players perceived as rentals that means you’re moving those guys with two to three years of remaining control.

They don’t make moves like this to save $2.5M because that is a ridiculous notion that only bad fans pushing a narrative like to spout. It was a lot of fun watching Tommy Pham be good. It would be very frustrating to also watch him be less good. Instead, they proactively replaced (and then some) his likely contributions, while spreading the talent around to help offset inevitable injury.

Thanks for all the time you spend educating baseball fans on this site. Maybe one day they’ll pay you for the massive time investment you have made. Or maybe them not doing that should be taken as a sign of what folks think of your contributions.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  Sandy Kazmir

alright then.

Uncle SpikeMember since 2020
6 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

If it’s any consolation, I enjoy your contributions Sadtrombone. While I may not always agree with your points, I feel you deliver them in a well thought out and diplomatic way. I don’t see any reason to get personal just because two intelligent people have different opinions.

In this particular circumstance, I do tend to agree with you. I feel Tampa Bay is getting too much grace based on past performance and the trades are not being judged on face value. Tampa trades him and it seems like many peoples opinions of Tommy Pham changes overnight.

Ryan DCMember since 2016
6 years ago
Reply to  Sandy Kazmir

“Or maybe them not doing that should be taken as a sign of what folks think of your contributions.”

So because commenters don’t get paid, their comments are bad? Now that is a hell of a take

CL1NTMember since 2026
6 years ago
Reply to  Sandy Kazmir

Your rant didn’t quite go the way you hoped, eh?

SenorGato
6 years ago

Hey hey, a piece about this trade that doesn’t wash the balls of Matt Liberatore simply for existing as a liked prospect! The coverage of this trade has been interesting – Liberatore’s the headliner on MLB.com and MLBTR (which smells more and more like an MLB owned or funded site) – but the prospect guys on FG offer a more balanced view

Randy Arozarena should be interesting

Also also Theo Epstein clearly set this trap for the Cardinals, now less of a 2020 threat, by letting the Rays grab Faustino Carrera to replace Liberatore in the 2020 High A rotation

HughesMember since 2016
6 years ago

As a Jays fan, my take away from this is Cal Stevenson is going to be amazing.

shake42
6 years ago

Remember two years ago when you all made these same arguments about how dumb and cheap the Ray’s front office was all off season. Then they won 90 games. 🤔

Baron Samedi
6 years ago
Reply to  shake42

What does 90 regular season wins get you? Is there a banner you can hang that says “we won more games than we were supposed to”?