Jay Jaffe’s 2023 Hall of Fame Ballot

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The following article is part of Jay Jaffe’s ongoing look at the candidates on the BBWAA 2023 Hall of Fame ballot. For a detailed introduction to this year’s ballot and other candidates in the series, use the tool above; an introduction to JAWS can be found here. For a tentative schedule and a chance to fill out a Hall of Fame ballot for our crowdsourcing project, see here. All WAR figures refer to the Baseball-Reference version unless otherwise indicated.

Even without Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Curt Schilling, and Sammy Sosa — and with just a trickle of compelling new candidates — this year’s BBWAA Hall of Fame ballot doesn’t lack for controversy or tough decisions. The issue of performance-enhancing drugs continues to stand in the way of the candidates with the gaudiest statistics, and voters must also confront the matter of how much weight, if any, to accord the ballot’s notorious character clause. But with a deadline of December 31, a voter can deliberate for only so long, and so five weeks after my envelope arrived in the mail, it’s time to turn this thing around.

This is my third year with an actual ballot, but filling one out hardly feels like old hat, even with 21 years of analyzing Hall of Fame elections, and 19 years of doing so while armed with the system that became JAWS (next year, I’ll do something to celebrate). While so many mentors, peers, and colleagues have come and gone in this racket, I’m grateful to have stuck around long enough to have earned the right to vote, and it’s a privilege I embrace, even with the heightened scrutiny that comes with having a ballot.

In the weeks since the Hall unveiled this year’s 28-candidate slate, I’ve analyzed the top 17 candidates at length. That leaves 11 one-and-done stragglers to cover in early January, none of whom are in serious consideration for space on my ballot; indeed, none of those 11 has secured a single vote from among the 70 published in the Ballot Tracker as of 12:01 AM ET Thursday, but their careers deserve a proper valedictory. While I’ve mostly known whom I planned to include, I went through my full process before finalizing its contents, just as I did with my virtual ballots; particularly given my recent attempts to update the pitching side of JAWS, it never hurts to take another look.

Despite the BBWAA’s election of just one candidate over the past two cycles, the record 22 candidates elected over the previous seven eased what was once a nearly unmanageable backlog. Circa 2014, the ballot had 14 players who met or exceeded the JAWS standards at their respective positions, and 17 who had a JAWS of at least 50.0 (or 40.0 for catchers), thus requiring all but the most small-Hall-minded voters to perform some kind of triage in order to winnow the field down to 10 candidates who could fit on their ballots. Here’s the graph I’ve been using this year to illustrate the trend:

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Even with those numbers reduced, there’s still no such thing as a perfect ballot. With my annual exercise has always come an acknowledgement of the numerous subjective choices that go into selecting even the most objective-minded slate. How much leeway to grant if one is using WAR and JAWS? How much emphasis to put on postseason performance, awards, and less quantifiable considerations? Where to draw the line with performance-enhancing drugs or off-field issues, subjects that may or may not fall under the umbrella of the so-called character clause? Perfection may be unattainable, but that’s not to say it isn’t worth pursuing, and if we don’t get there… well, we do the best we can.

With that ample preamble out of the way, here’s how the aforementioned 17 candidates stack up via JAWS:

Top 2023 Hall of Fame Candidates by JAWS Margin
Player YoB Standards Career WAR Peak WAR JAWS Margin
Alex Rodriguez 2 3 117.6 64.3 90.9 35.5
Manny Ramirez 7 2 69.3 39.9 54.6 1.2
Scott Rolen 6 3 70.1 43.6 56.9 1.2
Todd Helton 5 2 61.8 46.6 54.2 0.8
Carlos Beltrán 1 0 70.1 44.4 57.3 -0.8
Andruw Jones 6 1 62.7 46.4 54.6 -3.5
Billy Wagner 8 0 27.7 19.8 24.9 -4.8
Bobby Abreu 4 0 60.2 41.6 50.9 -5.8
Gary Sheffield 9 0 60.5 38.0 49.3 -7.4
Francisco Rodríguez 1 0 24.2 17.6 21.1 -8.6
Mark Buehrle 3 0 59.1 35.8 47.4 -9.4
Andy Pettitte 5 0 60.2 34.1 47.2 -9.6
Jeff Kent 10 0 55.4 35.8 45.6 -11.4
Jimmy Rollins 2 0 47.6 32.7 40.1 -15.3
Torii Hunter 3 0 50.7 30.8 40.7 -17.4
Omar Vizquel 6 0 45.6 26.8 36.2 -19.2
John Lackey 1 0 37.3 29.2 33.3 -23.5
JAWS Margin = difference between individual player’s JAWS and position standard. For starting pitchers, standards and margin are relative to Peak WAR Adj. and S-JAWS. For relief pitchers, standards and margin are relative to R-JAWS. Yellow shading = meets standard at position.

As noted, I’ve used my experimental, workload-adjusted S-JAWS for starting pitchers (detailed here), which brings the above starters closer to the standard but still leaves the best of them, Buehrle and Pettitte, more than nine points off the pace. Likewise, I’ve used my experimental, leverage-adjusted R-JAWS for relief pitchers (explained here), and while that doesn’t push Wagner past the standard, it makes him the top reliever outside the Hall.

Of this year’s candidates, only four meet or exceed the JAWS standards at their position, two of whom (Rodriguez and Rolen) do so while meeting the career and peak standards as well; of the other two, Ramirez meets only the career standard and Helton only the peak standards. Meanwhile, Jones tops only the peak standard. Those tallies are represented in the “Standards” column in the table above, with the yellow squares highlighting the particular standards met. Among those who don’t meet any standards are five other players I classify as “candidates of interest,” namely Beltrán, Wagner, Abreu, Sheffield, and Rodríguez, players who fall shy on JAWS but about whom I remain open-minded, for reasons explained below. If you want to know why I’m not affording similar leniency to Pettitte, Rollins, Kent, or anyone else, beyond consulting the table above, you can read their profiles.

That’s 10 for a first-cut list. I could just check my full allotment of boxes and call it a day, easy peasy lemon squeezy, but I’m pickier than that, and so the process becomes at least a bit more, uh, difficult difficult lemon difficult, to borrow a phrase from Armando Iannucci.

As for the “integrity, sportsmanship, [and] character” section of the voting rules, it was the brainchild of Kenesaw Mountain Landis, who brimmed with such integrity that he spent his entire 24-year term as commissioner upholding the game’s shameful color line. The history of that hypocrisy and so many others — witness the election of Bud Selig, himself steeped in the collusion of the 1980s as well as the overseeing of the so-called Steroid Era — leads me to avoid putting any stock in the clause.

Which isn’t to say that I don’t have my own ways of dealing with the darker aspects of players’ candidacies. As I’ve said repeatedly throughout this series, when it comes to connections to PEDs, I draw a line between those whose allegations date to the time when the game had no testing regimen or means of punishment (i.e., prior to 2004) and those that came afterwards. With no means of enforcing a paper ban, and with players flouting such a ban being rewarded left and right amid what was truly a complete institutional failure that implicated team owners, the commissioner, and the players union as well as the players, I simply don’t think voters can apply a retroactive morality to that period.

With Bonds, Clemens and Sosa gone, that stance has less impact upon this ballot, but it does keep Sheffield in the clear on that front, and it has me crossing Ramirez and Rodriguez off my list. On a performance-only basis, both would get my vote, and likewise if their failing the supposedly anonymous 2003 survey test were their only PED-related transgression. A-Rod is one of seven players with at least 3,000 hits and 500 homers, and he ranks 12th in WAR among all position players, but his full-season suspension for using PEDs bought from the Biogenesis clinic from 2010-12 is a black mark I can’t overlook. Likewise with regards to Manny. He’s one of the greatest hitters of all time; his 154 OPS+ ranks 20th among players with at least 7,000 PA, but I still can’t get past the two failed tests, not when better players who never tested positive are being kept out. Every year, I consider whether it’s time to take a new approach with such candidates, but this isn’t the year I’m changing my mind.

Note that I have not used allegations of domestic violence to disqualify candidates from consideration, though such matters are far more serious than PEDs. I can certainly understand voters choosing to rule such candidates out.

So who did I vote for? These guys have been on my past two ballots and at least two virtual ballots. They’re easy calls to return:

Scott Rolen (10th among third basemen in JAWS, 63.2% in 2022)

An exceptional but under-appreciated player on both sides of the ball, he combined power and patience at the plate with some of the best glove work the hot corner has ever seen. Even in a career that contained numerous injuries and ended at age 37, he ranks third at the position in fielding runs (+175) and fourth in Gold Gloves (eight) and, depending upon your choice of metric, belongs among the top 10 or 20 hitters for the position as well. Particularly at an underrepresented spot — there are just 15 third basemen in the Hall, compared to 27 right fielders and 19 to 21 at every other position besides catcher — he merits enshrinement.

Rolen has surged from 10.2% in his 2018 debut to 63.2% last year; at this point, he’s polling at 80% in the Ballot Tracker, but hasn’t flipped as many “no” votes to “yes” as some of the other candidates. On the bright side, that means he’s already captured a lot of the votes from those open to changing their mind, but the trend nonetheless suggests that he may fall just short of 75% this year. He’s still on his way to enshrinement sooner or later, though it would be much, much better if it’s sooner.

Todd Helton (15th among first basemen in JAWS, 52% in 2022)

The 2020 election of former teammate Larry Walker opened up the road to Cooperstown for this denizen of Coors Field. An exceptional hitter who served as the face of the Rockies franchise, Helton put up very big numbers in the first half of his career, numbers that hold up once we adjust for his park and league scoring environment. Injuries caused him to fade away, as he had just one good season out of his last four, but it’s not out of the question that his time at altitude had something to do with that. His peak score ranks 10th among first basemen, about four wins above the standard, and the recent elections of Gil Hodges, Fred McGriff, and David Ortiz — all with JAWS about nine to 15 points lower – have increased the gap between his mark and the standard.

After polling at 16.5% in his first year of eligibility, Helton banked big gains on the 2020 and ’21 ballots, then crossed the 50% threshold last year. He’s polling at 78.6% right now, but because he’s flipped 11 ballots to Rolen’s four, he actually rates as a better shot at getting elected this year according to Tracker team member Adam Dore.

Billy Wagner (6th among relievers in R-JAWS, 51% in 2022)

The holder of the all-time records for strikeout rate and opponent batting average, albeit at just an 800-inning threshold, Wagner is short of the admittedly slapdash standard established by the eight enshrined relievers. Since I’ve never been entirely satisfied with how JAWS handles that small group, I’ve remained open-minded, seeking alternate ways to evaluate relievers; by my experimental R-JAWS, which incorporates Win Probability Added (WPA) and situational or context-neutral wins (WPA/LI) as well as WAR, he’s the top reliever outside the Hall, trailing only Mariano Rivera, Dennis Eckersley, Hoyt Wilhelm, Rich Gossage, and Trevor Hoffman. After debuting at 10.5% in 2016 and gaining little ground in the next three cycles, his support has more than tripled over the past three. At this point he’s polling at 70% in the Tracker, and is tied with Kent and Sheffield for the most flipped votes (14), so it’s possible he could come very close to election this year.

Andruw Jones (11th among center fielders in JAWS, 41.4% in 2022)

If 2018 Hall of Fame honoree Chipper Jones was the Braves dynasty’s offensive cornerstone, Andruw Jones was its defensive one, an elite flychaser who won 10 Gold Gloves and ranks first at the position in fielding runs (+235). He could hit, too, bopping 434 career homers. His career collapsed at age 31, however; he played just 435 games over his final five seasons, disappearing from the majors at age 35, and so while he’s well above the peak standard, he’s short on the career one and in JAWS. I’m not so bothered by that, given his relative ranking and the fact that the standards in center and right field are a few points higher than every other position. After two years in the mid-7% range, he’s more than quintupled his support since then. He’s continuing to pick up ground, flipping 11 votes thus far and polling at 68.6%, suggesting he’ll break the 50% threshold when the votes are tallied.

Those are my slam dunks. Next come two whom I’ve included in each of the past two years amid more crowded ballots. They’re personal favorites whose JAWS is in the neighborhood of 50, and I don’t see any reason to leave them off now.

Bobby Abreu (21st among right fielders in JAWS, 8.6% in 2022)

A five-tool player with dazzling speed, a sweet left-handed stroke, and enough power to win a Home Run Derby, Abreu was a stathead favorite thanks to his otherworldly plate discipline. He posted on-base percentages of .400 or higher eight times (.395 for his career) thanks to his ability to take a walk (100 or more eight years in a row). Yet despite routinely reaching traditional seasonal plateaus — a .300 batting average (six times), 20 homers (nine times), 30 steals (six times), 100 runs scored and batted in (eight times apiece) — he was ridiculously under-appreciated by the mainstream, making just two All-Star teams and winning one Gold Glove. He barely scraped by in his 2020 ballot debut with 5.5%, and after gaining a few points in ’21, he actually fell back by 0.1% in ’22. I’m not optimistic about his long-term chances for election, but I’m not giving up on him.

Gary Sheffield (24th in JAWS, 40.6% in 2021)

There’s no denying Shef’s skill with the stick. His total of 561 batting runs above average (the offensive component of bWAR) ranks 29th all-time, while his 140 OPS+ is tied for 48th; he’s either alongside or ahead of numerous no-doubt Hall of Famers in those categories, and to that he added an aesthetic quality of sheer menace in the batter’s box thanks to his lightning-quick reflexes and violent swing. It’s his defense (-195 runs, second-lowest all time ahead of only Jeter), not his BALCO connection or his penchant for controversy — two areas that require some digging in order to get a full and fair picture — that kept me from putting too much stock in his candidacy, as it knocks him more than seven points below the position standard. Yet I’m troubled by the extent to which those outlying defensive stats, which are largely estimates from the Total Zone era (based on play-by-play data but with limited information regarding batted ball type), nuke Sheffield’s value. That goes double when they’re compared to his defensive numbers via alternative methodologies. What’s more, it’s worth noting that 65% of his plate appearances came in the NL, where he didn’t have the chance to serve as a DH.

If he had DHed like Ortiz, would he be in? It does seem as though a good number of voters have asked themselves that question at some point in recent years. Sheffield’s support has more than tripled from 2019 (13.6%) to ’22, and he’s polling at 65.7% thus far, about 20 points above where he was at this juncture last year. I think he’s got too far to go to get to 75% by the end of next year’s cycle, but his odds of eventual election are certainly improving.

That’s six spots filled on my ballot, and I have two candidates left to decide upon, not coincidentally the two prominent newcomers. First, Rodríguez. Before writing up his profile, I gave little consideration to casting a vote for him. While he’s fourth all-time in saves, his WAR, WPA, and WPA/LI put him well down in both the old- and new-school JAWS rankings (34th in the former, 12th in the latter), with a significant gap between him and Wagner on the latter front.

I became more open to including Rodríguez upon realizing that he’s 0.1 R-JAWS points ahead of 2019 honoree Lee Smith (who’s third in saves) and 3.1 points ahead of Bruce Sutter. The weight of his postseason work, particularly for 2002, is worth considering as well. But thinking back to last year’s ballot, I included Joe Nathan, who’s eighth with 24.4 R-JAWS, 3.3 points ahead of Rodríguez, but left off Jonathan Papelbon, who’s 10th with 21.7; neither wound up getting even 5% of the vote. If Rodríguez is below Papelbon (who had great postseason numbers as well) in my system, I don’t see enough justification for including him where I left the other guy off.

Which brings us to Beltrán, the quintessential five-tool player, one of eight with at least 300 homers and 300 steals, not to mention the highest stolen base success rate (86.4%) of any player with at least 200 attempts. He’s ninth in JAWS among center fielders, a bit below all three standards at a very top-heavy position but the best eligible center fielder outside the Hall. Including Beltrán on my ballot should have been an easy call, but I’ve tossed and turned over that possibility since his name came up in commissioner Rob Manfred’s report into the Astros’ 2017 illegal sign stealing — and not just on the periphery.

Indeed, that Beltrán is so central to the report bothers me, because it sure as hell feels as though he’s been scapegoated for the whole affair; after all, he’s the only player named, and by Manfred’s previous determination, the players weren’t the ones in line for punishment of his no-electronics edict.

While his own performance didn’t benefit, Beltrán did something against the rules, and it continued through a postseason in which his team won a championship. Not every player was comfortable with it, but if we’re to believe the various reports, nobody stood up to him, and so he saw no need to stop. Given that manager A.J. Hinch reportedly destroyed two monitors, it’s worth questioning both his leadership capability and the heaping of blame upon Beltrán as a lone actor. It’s also worth noting that like spitballing/ball-doctoring, sign-stealing is a behavior that exists along a continuum of baseball history that stretches back nearly a century and a half, one that’s been admired as much as it’s been scorned (nobody ran to the fainting couch regarding the 1951 Giants’ belated confessions). The fan in me empathizes with that great 2017 Los Angeles team being cheated out of a title, but the industry professional in me knows that the Astros were merely the most extreme example of a team stealing signs electronically, some of which were ultimately reported and others just whispered about.

I came into this year’s ballot thinking I would withhold my vote for Beltrán for a year but likely include him in the future. In other words, that I’d treat his transgression more like Roberto Alomar‘s spitting on the umpire, an out-of-character incident that cost him the honor of first-ballot induction, rather than Rafael Palmeiro’s failed PED test, a late-career mistake that banished him from all serious consideration. Ultimately, after spending hours talking about it with friends and fellow writers (some of them voters), I harkened back to the concept of my PED line: If the commissioner couldn’t punish the player for what he did, I’m not going to play the vigilante and administer frontier justice on behalf of MLB or the Hall. It looks like many of my fellow voters feel the same way, as Beltrán has received 54.8% of the vote thus far.

I’ve only used seven of my 10 slots, but I’m not inclined to stock it with guys I don’t believe belong; believe me, I looked for rationales to support Kent, Rollins, and Pettitte in particular but just couldn’t break free of the gravity of my previous deliberations. So that’s another imperfect ballot in the books and in the mail.

Once again, I don’t entirely love the way this came out, the extent to which my self-imposed rules prevent me from simply voting for the 10 best players on the ballot, even if I still think the line I’ve drawn with regards to PEDs is a reasonable one. And I’m not about to lose sight of the bigger picture: I’m gratified that after covering baseball and analyzing Hall of Fame elections for so long on the outside, I get to cast a ballot. It’s still just one vote from among roughly 400, less impactful than my work to sway actual voters and help the likes of Walker, Tim Raines, Edgar Martinez, Mike Mussina, and others find homes in Cooperstown, but it’s also symbolic.

I say this every year now, but it’s hardly mere lip service: I’m standing on the shoulders of giants in the field of baseball analysis, people who entered this industry without going through the traditional newspaper outlets and who either were never admitted to the BBWAA or didn’t last long enough within it to vote. People such as John Thorn, Bill James, Rob Neyer, Joe Sheehan, Christina Kahrl, and Steven Goldman were among those who opened my eyes to different ways of viewing baseball decades ago, and their thoughts on the Hall of Fame and its processes inevitably seeped into my own views of the institution and who is worthy of admission. Of that group, only Kahrl, trailblazer that she is — and not just in the encouragement of self-consciously named acronyms — is a BBWAA voter. I’d prefer a voting process that found room for all of them and other experts from beyond the mainstream, but in the meantime, I continue to do my best to represent.





Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.

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Mike NMN
3 years ago

Logical, well presented, and subjective in the best sort of way. This is not an AI experiment, and Jay’s approach is consistent.

shauncurryMember since 2019
3 years ago

Thanks for always laying out your thinking in such clear terms. Also, this line made me chuckle: “but it does keep Sheffield in the clear on that front…”. Only could have been better if you mentioned that “Sheffield was among the cream of the crop” as a hitter.

Jason BMember since 2017
3 years ago
Reply to  shauncurry

CREAM OF THE CROP!

–Macho Man

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago

I came into the process firmly on the “Eff Beltran” side but, thinking about it over the course of the last several weeks, I kept coming back to the same point:

He was a player who trusted his coaches on where to draw the line.

Given that he’s an obvious shoe-in by both traditional and advanced methodologies (2700 Hits/400 HR at a premium defensive position, 70 WAR, over 55 JAWS), I’d probably vote for him.

My ballot looks pretty similar to yours otherwise (I’m still a no on Abreu and Helton, but threw Buehrle and Pettitte on their because I like them and had extra room).

Last edited 3 years ago by Cool Lester Smooth
keithk
3 years ago

A player who is in his twentieth year in the league doesn’t need to “trust his coaches on where to draw the line”. He knew where the line was and chose to cross it. Don’t try to take away his moral agency.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  keithk

A player in his 20th year has pitched a thousand ideas that crossed the line, had his coaches say “No,” and listened to them.

Beltran pitched his idea, and the coaches and FO said “That’s brilliant! Let’s do what we can to make it even more effective!”

The Manfred memo in September wasn’t sent to players. It was sent to Luhnow…who sat on it, rather than tell everyone to knock it off.

Last edited 3 years ago by Cool Lester Smooth
stanMember since 2019
3 years ago

I feel like he and the other sign stealers are no different than the few acknowledged steroid cases. We know for sure that the Red Sox and Yankees were stealing signs before MLB warned them and there are strong rumors that the Dodgers and Brewers were doing it too even as the Astros were getting caught. However, for some reason people want to pretend like the Astros are the only cheaters for purposes of punishing their great evils.

And by the way, there’s really no reason to believe that sign stealing had much impact on the game. The Astros really didn’t hit any better at home than they did on the road during that time and their hitters have pretty much done just as well after the sign stealing ended. Alex Bregman is the only guy who has fallen off.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  stan

We also know how the Red Sox and Yankees were stealing signs:

The Sox were cracking them in the dugout, then texting them to runners on second so they could signal the hitter.

The Yankees were cracking them in the film room or the bullpen, then telling the dugout, so that when a runner got to second, they’d be able to signal the hitter.

Every team with even a hint of cop-on was at least pulling some Yankee-style shenanigans…but the monitor and the trashcan were a MASSIVE escalation beyond even what the Sox were doing.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  stan

BUT – the report doesn’t say much about Beltran’s involvement, beyond “Guys, everyone else uses the replay room to crack signs. Why aren’t we??”

The monitor and the trashcan were installed at Cora’s direction.

Last edited 3 years ago by Cool Lester Smooth
Fletchiro
3 years ago

Well-argued and entirely convincing. The Angels fan in me is a little sad to see K-Rod not get the nod, but I understand why. The distinction of how to “punish” Beltran is an interesting quandary, and I’m not sure the different between being a first-ballot Hall of Famer and a later-ballot Hall of Famer is all that significant, but I do appreciate that it’s likely we don’t (and never will) know the full extent to which he was truly culpable for the 2017 sign stealing scandal.

darren
3 years ago
Reply to  Fletchiro

I don’t think the punishment is so much that he’s not a first ballot HOFer, it’s the actual period of time that he has to wait before being elected. If he goes in in 2029 instead of next year, it’ll mean several years of him and everyone else knowing that he’s in yet because of what he did. (I’m not sure that’s the right punishment either.)

OddBall Herrera
3 years ago

I am a bit troubled that Ortiz’ WAR/JAWs totals are being held up against 1B/DH now. He should be regarded as a total unicorn candidate – under the bar in terms of WAR/JAWs but in because of postseason heroics and ‘face of the game’ intangibles put him over the top. He shouldn’t become some new benchmark for bat first players.

And man, am I of two minds about the Beltran thing. On the one hand, as you point out, pretending that this was a uniquely Astros problem is nonsense, players are always pushing the envelope on competitive advantages, and confidence in our knowledge of the breadth and ultimate effect of the scandal is often overstated by a cadre of bitter Dodgers and Yankees fans. On the other, cheating is cheating and other guys like Sheffield are being kept out for mere allegations of cheating. I could get on board with a simple bright line rule that says no cheaters in the Hall, rather than a fuzzy ‘How much did they cheat/what kind of cheating was it’ calculus.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago

Beyond the fact that sign stealing wasn’t only “an Astros thing,” there’s also the fact that the Astros’ cheating in particular was very much “An Astros Thing” and not “A Beltran Thing.”

It was Beltran’s idea…but it was done with the full knowledge and participation of the coaching staff and front office…who were the folks to whom Manfred sent that September letter.

The Astros kept doing it without Beltran, the next season…and Cora even brought the scheme with him to Boston!

Mahoney
3 years ago

I agree that Ortiz is a unicorn and not necessarily a bar to apply for HOF-worthiness.

For Jay’s argument in favor of Sheffield, I think he may have done better to compare him with Edgar Martinez. If you take Sheffield’s “defensive WAR” and replace it with the DH-level value, his WAR and JAWS numbers look a lot more like Edgar’s. That’s the argument for me – like Edgar, Sheff gets in strictly on his offensive numbers.

darren
3 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

But it’s harder to hit well as a DH so you can’t simply plug in his hitting numbers in this scenario.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

Even just giving him credit for his BIP defensive rate numbers in the 90s gets him comfortably over the line.

68FCMember since 2020
3 years ago

I struggle to really hold the sign stealing against Beltran at all given that we have no issue with Willie Mays or Monte Irvin as members of the 1951 Giants or Carlton Fisk, Tom Seaver, or TLR as members of the mid-80s White Sox when we know those teams were using technology to steal signs in much the same was as the Astros. Most of the players in the hall were probably cheating in some manner during their careers either with sign stealing, amphetamines and other PEDs, ball doctoring, or game fixing. Even those who didn’t partake themselves were beneficiaries of teammates cheating given that I doubt there has been a single team in baseball history that didn’t have a player that was either ball doctoring or using PEDs. Cheating is a fundamental part of sports and we praise some of it and demonize other instances without any consistent logic behind it.

darren
3 years ago
Reply to  68FC

Do you have a link the White Sox stuff? Sounds interesting.

68FCMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  darren

If you google “Jack McDowell sign stealing” plenty of articles come up. As far as I know the only response was from TLR who didn’t deny it, he just said that McDowell never played for him. McDowell was called up the year after TLR was fired, but said the system was put in place by TLR and they just continued using it.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  68FC

I have seen versions of this argument floating around and it strikes me as a convenient way to ignore hard issues. There are huge differences between using amphetamines and steroids, and there are huge differences between stealing signs before the league issues a crystal-clear memo about what is tolerated and what is not and being the architect of an entire cheating system after it was clearly banned. Moral relativism does not mean you just throw up your hands and say you’re totally unqualified to judge, it means you have to judge them in the context they were playing in and whether their cheating was extreme in the context of their times.

darren
3 years ago

Ortiz is also being penalized for being a DH but not being given credit for how hard it is for hitters to hit well as DHs. His numbers look a lot closer to average HOF if you adjust for that.

keithk
3 years ago
Reply to  darren

It seems inappropriate to adjust his numbers because of that. He wasn’t a DH because some malicious manager decided to not let him play the field. He wasn’t a good fielder. He earned that DH job.

darren
3 years ago
Reply to  keithk

The adjustment would be for how hard it is to hit as a DH, not for someone mistreating him.

sbf21
3 years ago
Reply to  darren

And if you adjust for the loss of power Mattingly experienced because of his bad back he’s a lock for the HOF. The adjustment is for how hard it is to hit with back spasms.

This isn’t a vote on hypothetical careers.

darren
3 years ago
Reply to  sbf21

That’s a bad faith argument, obviously. But in case you think this somehow makes sense: WAR is based entirely on how valuable something is compared to a replacement level player. There are many different types of adjustments made to it so that it fairly credits players for what they contribute. League offensive levels, park factors, and positional adjustments are a few examples.

So for Jose Altuve, for example, we consider the offensive environment during his time, the Astros’ ballpark, and the fact that he plays second base. We don’t look at his height and say that he was too short to play 1B or give him a break for line drives that go over his head. If we did, that would be more comparable to your Mattingly example.

For DH, it’s really hard to figure out what the right defensive adjustment is because DHs, by definition contribute 0 on defense. They’re all exactly average. So we have to guess. Fangraphs and Baseball Reference, I believe, do this by taking the ‘easiest’ defensive position, 1B, and making a DH 5 runs worse over the course of the season.

That seems like a fair enough guess and reasonable penalty. However, it doesn’t account for the well-documented fact that players hit worse as DHs. So it seems only reasonable that if you want to measure what your DH contributed, you take that into account when figuring out the replacement level for DH. It’s a factor, just like hitting in Colorado vs. Detroit is a factor.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  keithk

He also earned that DH job by being freaking fantastic at the very difficult skill of hitting without playing the field.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago

C’mon, lads – don’t just downvote!

Make a positive argument in favor of HoF voters throwing out decades of data that indicate that it’s harder to hit as a DH than as a position player!

airforce21oneMember since 2026
3 years ago

under the bar in terms of WAR/JAWs but in because of postseason heroics and ‘face of the game’ intangibles put him over the top.”

I guess the rumors of steroids don’t matter for Ortiz?

ravinggoat
3 years ago

Kenesaw Mountain Landis would have banned Beltran for life.

spiff
3 years ago
Reply to  ravinggoat

Right, Jay covered Landis’s racism. He’d have banned a great many of the players on this ballot for life.

LloydMember since 2018
3 years ago

I’d like to see Abreu make it. He was horribly underappreciated as a player.

In the 6-year stretch from 1998-2003, during which he made ZERO All-Star teams (!?!?!), he tallied 35.8 fWAR, 7th in the league behind 4 drug cheats (Bonds, ARod, Giambi, Sosa) and the Atlanta Joneses (Chipper, Andruw).

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Lloyd

I think I’ve come down on the side of “Bobby Abreu is not a Hall of Famer, and won’t be a Hall of Famer, but I would absolutely vote for him because he’s so close and he is horribly underappreciated as a player.” I don’t think you can make a wrong decision on him.

jgrub7
3 years ago
Reply to  Lloyd

I would love to see him make it and I think he’s deserving.

There have been only 5 players (and only 2 in the last 95 years) with 400 career steals and a career 0.475 SLG% — Barry Bonds, Tris Speaker, Ty Cobb, Ed Delahanty, and Bobby Abreu. Super special power/speed combo.

Abreu is also one of the most balanced offensive players of all time. He is just 1 of 9 with 250 HR, 2000 H, 1000 R, 1000 RBI, 1000 BB, and 300 SB (Bonds, Mays, Jeter, Henderson, Biggio, Beltran, ARod, Morgan). Individually, none of those stats are Hall-worthy but together they make something special.

And lastly, from 1945-2015, there are only 18 players who maintained a .300/.400/.500 slashline over any ten-year period in which they had at least 5000 PAs. Abreu was one of them. Here are the others: Chipper Jones, Edgar Martinez, Frank Thomas, Larry Walker, Jeff Bagwell, Wade Boggs, Frank Robinson, Mickey Mantle, Stan Musial, Barry Bonds, Manny Ramirez, Alex Rodriguez, Gary Sheffield, Jason Giambi, Todd Helton, Lance Berkman, and Bernie Williams.

It is really too bad he never got more attention. He excelled at everything.

sbf21
3 years ago
Reply to  jgrub7

Bernie is in that group? Wow.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  sbf21

Bernie was so good.

Not a Hall guy, but he was so, so good.

The Duke
3 years ago
Reply to  jgrub7

I follow baseball pretty closely and I simply don’t remember him. I had to look him up when I saw his name on the ballot

And I don’t think I’m alone.

I don’t draw many lines but if I can’t remember you, I don’t think you are a HOFr

DDMember since 2020
3 years ago

If the commissioner couldn’t punish the player for what he did, I’m not going to play the vigilante and administer frontier justice on behalf of MLB or the Hall”

I’m confused by what seems, to me, to be inconsistent logic applied on this point. I agree that if the Commissioner could not enforce restrictions on steroid use, the player was not technically breaking rules. However, once the Commissioner COULD enforce rules (which he did by issuing suspensions to A-Rod and Manny), by excluding them for these offenses you are “playing vigilante and administering frontier justice”, or at the very least creating a double jeopardy situation. In my view, A-Rod and Manny cheated, were caught and punished, and therefore meting out additional justice seems unnecessary. I think these two players’ situations are different than Palmiero, since he adamantly denied using PEDs, then promptly failed a test. I suppose you could, say, ding Manny since he failed two tests, but he got punished both times. Punishment was applied according to the MLB rules at the time. If you want to instead leave them out to provide an additional disincentive for players to cheat, that’s a different reasoning than you applied here.

I would include A-Rod, Manny, and Sheff. I also would include Beltran, as there are other examples of players and teams cheating in similar ways that did not exclude them from election (as is the case with Rose).

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  DD

Selig’s complicity in PED usage extends far beyond “not being able to enforce restrictions,” haha.

It was very much encouraged in the 90s.

kingharbaughMember since 2021
3 years ago
Reply to  DD

It also is a bummer to see these guys whole careers tossed out for transgressions made well after they had hit the bottom tier of HOF worthy play. Ramirez and Rodriguez would make the HOF no problem if they just retired the year before they got suspended for the first time.

68FCMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  kingharbaugh

In both Ramirez and Rodriguez’s case, the transgressions happening late in their careers was just when they got caught. It seems exceedingly likely that they were using PEDs for most if not all of their careers. A-Rod admitted to using PEDs from 2001-2003 (after previously directly denying any PED use during that period) and has been rumored to have begun using PEDs in high school. Ramirez reportedly failed the 2003 survey test prior to his multiple suspensions. Much like Rafael Palmeiro, we can probably safely assume they were using PEDs during at least part of the pre-testing era given the failed survey test and subsequent PED suspensions.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  kingharbaugh

Ramirez and Rodriguez also would have made the Hall with no problem if they’d stopped using steroids, haha.

A-Rod got caught after he publicly apologized for being on the ‘03 list, and said he’d only used them a few times!

The Duke
3 years ago
Reply to  kingharbaugh

It’s a bummer that Tony La Russa got caught for drunk driving the only two times he drank and got behind the wheel.

Niels-Henning Orsted Joc PedersonMember since 2025
3 years ago
Reply to  DD

Excellent article by Jay, as usual. Thorough and entertaining.

However, the italicized portion of the following passage is flatly inaccurate:
“If the commissioner couldn’t punish the player for what he did, I’m not going to play the vigilante and administer frontier justice on behalf of MLB or the Hall.

The baseball commissioner has always had the broad powers to punish any players who violated either of the Drug Policy Memos (Bowie Kuhn, 1971, Fay Vincent, 1991).

We know this, because the first Drug Policy Memo was enforced nearly two dozen times (via fines and suspensions) by then-MLB commissioner Ueberroth during the 1980’s — most famously in connection to the Pittsburgh Drug Trials. Except for the absurd one-year suspension of Fergie Jenkins, every punishment issued by Ueberroth was in part or entirely upheld through the appeal process. The Jenkins overreach was tossed out baby & bathwater, largely to teach the commish a lesson.

In the 1980’s the CBA included no drug policy provision, no roster of potential disciplinary actions, no testing program. And yet, Ueberroth was able to enforce Bowie Kuhn’s Drug Policy Memo numerous times. Within reason.

Baseball RandyMember since 2015
3 years ago

Well reasoned, but I still like a big hall and do not care about steroids.

I’d add on Arod, Kent, and probably Manny. I like Pettite and Buehrle too.

Josh
3 years ago

“Domestic violence is more serious than PEDs but I didn’t exclude people for attacking other humans and I did exclude them for injecting themselves with steroids.”

Wow, what a great system. I can’t wait to go to that HOF with the kids.

Obviously, you don’t actually consider abuse of others to be more serious than PEDs.

D-WizMember since 2019
3 years ago
Reply to  Josh

It is Baseball’s Hall of Fame, not Humanity’s Hall of Fame. Also probably don’t put in quotes something that isn’t actually from the article.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Josh

I think there’s a reasonable argument to just put every off-field consideration in a black box, rather than comparing the relative transgressions of Bonds vs. Jones vs. a guy like Joe DiMaggio.

Someone like Vizquel would be distinct because he did so much awful shit in uniform.

EonADSMember since 2024
3 years ago

I cannot justifiably agree about “every off-field consideration” being void, because there are things that warrant consideration. If, for example, Roger Clemens was actually found to have had a “relationship” with an at-the-time underage girl as stated in some allegations, no one should vote for him for anything. Prison, prison, prison, but no HoF. Filipe Vasquez is a good example of what that sort deserves.

On a less blatant note, as a survivor of domestic abuse, I can’t condone Jay’s position. It’s one thing to say that the commissioners and those who set the guidelines are full of crap, it’s another entirely to disregard character issues completely. K-Rod should never even sniff election given that he admitted to his actions point-blank and yet saw no legal punishment or even a suspension. Screw that guy. It’s one thing to say that you would only use it to disregard borderline cases like him or Vizquel, but refusing to even give it any weight is a bad take in my opinion. And frankly, it makes me exceptionally angry.

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Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

I entirely respect where you’re coming from…but I actually think it’s grosser to only apply it to borderline guys.

I think you either have to throw out every piece of crap or throw out every awful thing that happened out of uniform.

Voting for Bonds but not Jones is weighing the DV against their on-field accomplishments.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

My take on it is that a voter should make a very carefully informed judgment on whether the player’s domestic violence makes it so that they shouldn’t get honors. It should be a yes/no decision. And if you decide they are morally worthy, then they should be considered in full. Either they deserve the honor or they don’t. It’s incredibly disturbing to me to weigh

For me, Vizquel and K-Rod absolutely fail that test. They wouldn’t make it anyway for me so it’s irrelevant, but if you’re considering this stuff at all then they can’t get it at all. Andruw Jones is a borderline case for me. I think I left him off this year of my personal ballot for this reason but I voted for him in the past.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
3 years ago
Reply to  Josh

I basically agree with you (apart from the non-kosher use of quotation marks for your inflammatory paraphrase) but what can you do when someone openly announces that he’s disregarding the character clause? If he were disregarding all moral infractions equally, no matter how severe, that would at least make sense as a position. Of course, as you noted, the actual problem is that he isn’t doing so consistently.

keithk
3 years ago
Reply to  Josh

I would argue that PEDs are more serious in terms of the integrity of the game. We have a court system to handle domestic violence.

Niels-Henning Orsted Joc PedersonMember since 2025
3 years ago
Reply to  keithk

This is where it’s worth noting that for Hall Of Fame voters there is no such thing as a mere “character clause.”

Specifically, within the Hall voting instructions it is the “integrity, sportsmanship, and character” clause. The first two obviously relate to trashcan banging and illegal PED use, but not to violence committed away from the sport, however reprehensible.

That said, a plaque in the Hall Of Fame is an honor that’s bestowed, not a right that players earn. And I can’t imagine voting in a perpetrator of domestic violence. It’s hard to display less character.

hambonehamboneMember since 2021
3 years ago

It’s a great ballot and certainly well-reasoned. I’ve enjoyed reading your work over the years and even interacting over at the BBTF in past years. I do think Buehrle and Pettite belong, though. I can see how you’re working to update slash recalibrate JAWS to show their value, but I think their proximity currently even by trad standards, and their proximity with the reconfigured JAWS merits their inclusion–especially since one or both could fall off of the ballot, limiting consideration of their careers. Regardless, that’s a small nit to pick and I am a fan of the article and grateful to you for educating me and sharing your passion.

OddBall Herrera
3 years ago
Reply to  hambonehambone

Pettite is a “mere compiler” in my book. He had just two seasons with a sub 3 ERA, and 8 with an ERA over 4. So he was much more often mediocre than great. Though I will concede those ERAs look better contextually. I don’t think we’re talking about his HOF candidacy if he didn’t have the Yankees driving win totals and postseason appearances.

Give me the short but brilliant peak guys like Johan Santana before we start digging into the “Pretty good pitchers who were around forever” demographic.

Lest we forget as well. Pettite is among those on the ballot who actually has confirmed PED use.

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Jason BMember since 2017
3 years ago

ERA+ (or ERA-) will be more useful than straight ERA to better contextualize a player’s performance into the era that they played in. A 4+ ERA doesn’t ever seem great, but it is markedly different in 1999 than in 1969. His career ERA- is 86 and was above 100 only once, in 2008. Again, this alone doesn’t make him a HOFer but does provide a better comparison to his peers than ERA does.

(All that said I prefer a “shorter but more brilliant” career like Santana’s to “longer / compiler” like Pettitte’s, just as you do)

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hambonehamboneMember since 2021
3 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

I agree with both of you on preferring Johan Santana over either o these two lefties. But I do think for pitching compiling is valuable and a guy who usually good but never truly great for 10-15 years is awfully valuable.

darren
3 years ago

Interesting and well considered.

I still can’t get on board with putting closers in the Hall of Fame. Yes, all modern teams use closers and yes, Wagner (and others) are among the top few of them. But all modern teams also use DHs, who are heavily penalized for being DHs. First, they are statistically downgraded for not playing defense (but not given credit for hitting well at a position where most players struggle). On top of that, as we’ve seen with Edgar Martinez, they are sometimes additionally held out of the Hall even though their numbers merit inclusion.

In contrast, relievers seem to get the opposite treatment. Their innings are given more weight because they occur in higher leverage situations. Even with this adjustment, their numbers do not come close other Hall of Famers, but they are still given serious consideration and somewhat regularly inducted. So we see Blyleven lingering on the ballot for years, and several other startes with 60+ WAR not meriting inclusion, while Hoffman and Smith get in with less than 60 WAR combined.

Relieving is just not that hard, compared to starting. And it’s not that valuable. But we insist on having these players in the Hall. I don’t get it.

darren
3 years ago
Reply to  darren

And yes, there are obvious exceptions, including Papi and Mariano.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  darren

I know an important subset that drastically disagrees with you on the value of relievers:

MLB teams.

Smart analytics-driven teams in particular tend to pay relievers at roughly double the $/WAR as they do starters…which would put Wagner as a 60.2 WAR/41.8 Peak guy, via RA9-WAR…which is exactly the Santana/Saberhagen/Cone range.

darren
3 years ago

good point and worth debate

Niels-Henning Orsted Joc PedersonMember since 2025
3 years ago
Reply to  darren

Yup. Leverage, leverage, leverage.
When it comes to closers — and relievers in general, I suppose — the first thing we should look at it is probably their WPA rather than WAR. But closers especially.

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Left of Centerfield
3 years ago

“Smart analytics-driven teams in particular tend to pay relievers at roughly double the $/WAR as they do starters”

If they do that (and I’d like to see some evidence), it’s because they’re pitching high leverage innings. Guess what’s already included in WAR? Leverage. So by doubling Wagner’s WAR, you’re double counting the leverage factor.

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solthecutter
3 years ago

But if they’re paying twice the normal $/WAR that means the teams are also double counting leverage.

Left of Centerfield
3 years ago
Reply to  solthecutter

Yeah you’re right, I didn’t think that through properly. 🙂

Let me take the egg off of my face first.

So there does seem to be some evidence that closers get paid more than their WAR would suggest. For example, Wagner made almost as much in his career as Bagwell. Which seems crazy. Granted,they didn’t overlap completely but they also weren’t that far off.

So the question would be why? One possibility is that there’s a problem with how WAR is calculated. That could be true though I expect people like Sean Foreman and Tom Tango to have thought things through carefully.

Another possibility is that teams pay extra for closers because of their increased value in the postseason. If so, that doesn’t really help Wagner’s case given how bad to was in the postseason. It also means that we shouldn’t just arbitrarily double Wagner’s (or other closers’) regular season WAR.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago

Tom Tango has worked for the MLB since 2016, haha!

If there’s a common, internal WAR stat that teams now prefer to fWAR/rWAR/VORP…Tango was involved.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago

I mean…have you not been paying attention to free agency, haha?

Kenley Jansen put up 1 WAR last year, and has managed 5 WAR over the last 5 seasons.

He’s 35.

He just signed a 2/$32M contract with a team that offered Mookie Betts fewer dollars and years than Bryce Harper, then used him in a salary dump.

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darren
3 years ago

I thought about this a bit, and it just doesn’t hold up. First, I’m not sure that you’re right that teams are willing to pay double the $/WAR for closers/stoppers/whatever. But I think that may be beside the point. In any given year, the top contracts handed out to starters are twice the AAV of those handed out to relievers, and they are usually for more years. In to 2020 (as far as the FG free agent trackers go) you have:

Top starters
Cole 9/324, 36 AAV
Strasburg 7/245, 36 AAV
DeGrom 5/185, 37 AAV
Scherzer 3/130, 43 AAV
Verlander 2/86, 43 AAV

Top relievers
Diaz 5/102, 21 AAV
Hendricks 3/54, 18 AAV
Iglesias 4/58, 15 AAV
Jansen 2/32, 16 AAV

Cole and Diaz are interesting comps. Both entering age 29, coming off excellent seasons. Cole got 3 times the total money and nearly twice the AAV. Hendricks and Strasburg match up as well: early 30s, among the top few at their position, Strasburg with more injury history–Strasburg gets 5 times the total money, double the AAV.

Meanwhile here are some starter comps for the contracts received by those top relievers:

Ray, 5/115, 23 AAV
Keuchel 3/55, 18 AAV
Gray 4/56, 14 AAV
Eovaldi 2/34, 17 AAV

These #2-3 starters, most with some serious question marks. Teams value them as highly as the best closers available.

However you slice it, the story is the same. Teams put a far higher value on top starters than they do on top relievers. And this is happening at a time when starters are throwing fewer innings than ever.

darren
3 years ago
Reply to  darren

Going with the Wagner example, I think the largest contract he signed was 4 years/$43 mil, $11 mil AAV, with the Mets in 2006. At around this time:

Sabathia 7/161, 23 AAV
Santana 6/137, 23 AAV
Oswalt 5/73, 15 AAV

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  darren

Diaz literally got the Luis Castillo deal, haha. No need to find another comp.

More to the point, though:

I agree that these 1-2 WAR relievers are being paid like 2-4 WAR starters!

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darren
3 years ago

Diaz averaged 2.5 WAR/season (adjusted for shorter 2020) in the three years leading up to his contract. Castillo averaged 4.2 and Ray averaged 2.44.

Again, though, the point is that your math–doubling the reliever’s WAR–doesn’t work. Teams pay a lot more for starters because they are a lot more valuable each year.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  darren

Teams pay a lot more for elite starters than they do for elite relievers.

Eovaldi is three years younger than Jansen and was worth 4 more WAR in the preceding three seasons.

That translated to $2m on the market.

Also…Robbie Ray signed his deal after winning the Cy Young with a 7 rWAR season, haha.

Maybe the multiplier is something like 1.8 rather than 2, but these arguments are in hilariously bad faith.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  darren

But yes, the DH penalty should be factored into their positional adjustment.

Dmjn53
3 years ago
Reply to  darren

It’s something I struggle with, because outside of a few rare exceptions every reliever was someone who wasn’t good enough to be an MLB starter.

Using a recent example, Andrew Miller was absolutely batting practice as a starter. He was moved to the pen because he couldn’t get anybody out. Where I struggle here is that I could argue that Miller or any other elite reliever with a similar backstory is therefore for worse than any any mediocre starter that managed to stick as a starter. Miller or any other contemporary was arguably a worse pitcher than Joe Blanton or Aaron Harang

solthecutter
3 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

Yes, but it’s not like this always works. Many mediocre starters thrive in a relievers role. But I don’t think it’s likely that if you moved Aaron Harang to the bullpen he would be Mariano Rivera. If this were the case teams would be able to produce lockdown closers simply by signing an average starter.
It seems like there is a particular skill in being able to pitch in 1-2 inning spurts. The reason why most great relievers are failed starters is because starters contribute much more value. Therefore teams try very hard to make a guy a starter.
Similarly, most infield hitting prospects at one point played SS. At some level they move off it and play somewhere lower on the defensive spectrum. Many of these players turn out to have a uniquely great ability to play a different position. Do you think 90% of SSs can play 3B the way Nolan Arenado does? Just because it’s considered an easier position doesn’t mean there isn’t a unique skill that deserves recognition.
On the other you can ask that even if there is unique skill to playing this position is it valuable enough to consider a player a HOF for having this ability? For instance I also believe there is unique skill to being a great 1B – not just anybody can stretch and scoop the way the greatest at the position do. I just still don’t think this alone is deserving of a HOF plaque because it simply is not valuable enough. Teams don’t make a priority to have a great defensive 1B.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

Exceptions like Wagner, Papelbon, Chapman…

Hell, K-Rod had one down season as a 19 year old in Hi-A, then was immediately so dominant as a reliever that they never switched him back.

Antonio BananasMember since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  darren

100%

Legitimate question, how many current starters would be as good of a closer as Billy Wagner? The top 30% of all starters?

Jason BMember since 2017
3 years ago

Would be fascinating to see deGrom as a 1-inning closer. Not that he ever really lays off the gas anyway, but then he wouldn’t even have to give any consideration to stretching it out over 5-6 innings

Dmjn53
3 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

This is sort of my point. I know for sure that Edwin Diaz could never be Jacob deGrom, but I’m pretty sure Jacob deGrom could be Edwin Diaz or better

Antonio BananasMember since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

Hunter Greene could be Edwin Diaz.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

Or pitching 3 days a week at max effort, sometimes entering with runners on-base in a close game, would see him blow out his shoulder again.

darren
3 years ago

Guys like Smoltz and Eckersley give us an idea, I think. Eckersley had been an elite starter but had dropped off. He was immediately a top 3 closer in the majors. Smoltz was still elite but (IIRC) had health issues and moved to the pen, where he was immediately the second best in the game behind Gagne. Relievers as good as Wagner are still pretty rare, but they’re just not as valuable as great starters.

Maybe a more telling question: What percentage of current closers could be as good of a starter as say, Kevin Appier or Dave Steib, who are on the outside looking in to the HOF?

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  darren

A) Smoltz wasn’t dominant until his third season in the pen.

B) After, a few years in the pen, Smoltz went back into the rotation and spent another three seasons as an ace.

When Schilling went back to the pen in ‘05, he was brutal…then he went back to the rotation in ‘06 and was awesome.

darren
3 years ago

Smoltz went from getting crushed in the rotation to dominating in the pen within the same season.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  darren

That was the year after he had TJ.

He had a few rough starts, then got hurt again, and they moved him to the pen when he returned.

darren
3 years ago

You said he wasn’t dominant until his 3rd year in the pen. He was dominant in his first year. He put up 55 saves and 2.5 fWAR in his second year. Sounds dominant.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  darren

Year 3 was the first time he cracked 2 RA9-wins (which is my threshold for “dominant”), but fair enough.

Anyway, I’m honestly not sure why we’re hung up on Smoltz:

He was a Top 5-7 starter, then moved to the pen where he was a Top 5-7 reliever for a few years, then moved back to the rotation and was a Top 5 starter again.

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kingharbaughMember since 2021
3 years ago

Your take on the PED guys continues to disappoint me. Rodriguez and Ramirez should be slam dunk HOF.

Dmjn53
3 years ago
Reply to  kingharbaugh

They’re in a new category though as guys that failed tests after the Mitchell Report. Future candidates like Cano will be in this category as well.

I think there’s a big difference from the Bonds/McGwire guys who technically weren’t breaking any rules compared to guys that absolutely knew they were breaking the rules, and in A-Rod and Braun’s case went to great lengths to hide it

snapperMember since 2019
3 years ago

Don’t know where else to ask, but is there a reason the Depth Charts here seem to be ignoring Japanese signings? The Red Sox are completely missing Masataka, and the Mets don’t show Senga. Thanks.

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darren
3 years ago
Reply to  snapper

I think those guys are, for some reason, just not in the system.

68FCMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  snapper

They don’t have profile pages yet since there are no stats in the system for them, but they are listed on the depth charts. Yoshida is listed as the Red Sox leadoff hitter and Senga is the Met’s #3 SP.

snapperMember since 2019
3 years ago
Reply to  68FC

Weird. Why put them on the Roster Resource page that’s confusing and lacks any future projections, and leave them off the nice clean “Team” and “DC” pages?

ssens
3 years ago
Reply to  snapper

Probably because Steamer doesn’t have any projections for them yet

BenZobrist4MVP
3 years ago
Reply to  snapper

They seem to be ignoring Matt Strahm as well, which is even more surprising.

hofisajoke
3 years ago

Hard to care about the hall of fame while writers are tasked with determining which players didn’t use PEDs based on very little information. This results in lesser players entering the hall of meh, while better players are left out.

Jason BMember since 2017
3 years ago
Reply to  hofisajoke

User name checks out

NATS FanMember since 2018
3 years ago

I’ve often felt that the character clause should ban a player from the hall of fame while they are alive. Because of all the benefits the hall bestows. But, They should be allowed in after they are dead on stats alone.

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68FCMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

That is an interesting idea, but I don’t see how it could actually be implemented. The issue is what actually is a violation of the character clause? PED use? Domestic violence? DUIs? Sign Stealing? Being an asshole?

Ultimately if the hall or baseball want to consider a transgression on or off the field disqualifying from the hall of fame, then they need to ban the player like they did Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson (among others). The hall has consistently contorted itself to keep Bonds and Clemens out instead of just banning them like it clearly wants to do.

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
3 years ago

Keep on fighting the good Abreu fight!

I’ve gone back and forth on Helton…I’m on the fence with him on my virtual ballot.

Also, thing I never thought I’d say growing up as a Yankee in the late 90s — I’d vote for Buerhle over Pettitte.

stanMember since 2019
3 years ago

I respect that he only voted for 7. I’ve seen far too many public ballots that want half of every list to go into the Hall and act like its mandatory that the voter choose as many as possible. To me, having a ballot is taking the responsibility to make a tough decision and draw the line.

roobMember since 2026
3 years ago

You forgot Mark Buehrle. Way more valuable than Billy Wagner. Never would the Sox have traded Buehrle for Wagner. Sorry, not a fan of that choice.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  roob

Edwin Diaz just got the same contract as Luis Castillo.

Chaim Bloom of all people just gave Kenley Jansen $16M AAV coming off a 1-win season.

There’s very clearly a disconnect between publicly available WAR models and analytically-driven teams in how to value reliever production…and I’m inclined to trust the models developed by multi-million dollar analytics teams over even the best public ones.

South DetroitMember since 2020
3 years ago

I heard an interesting comment on mlb radio the other day. Wish I could remember who said it! The gist was about building a staff from the 9th inning backwards. I find the concept interesting and certainly matches up with the contract observations you mentioned for Diaz and Jansen.

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Dmjn53
3 years ago
Reply to  roob

Not sure why “never would have Team traded ______ for ______” has any sort of weight behind it

mbs2001
3 years ago

I believemost baseball fans agree with me in that these post steroid era flawed lists put a damper on everything hall of fame. The hall of fame voting has become a joke post steroid era.

Sheffield admittedly used steroids. He literally trained with Bonds and received steroids from his trainer, but he’s on your ballot.

Data is so much more important than how something makes us feel, because we’re flawed as hell. The polarizing stink still lingers for Bonds and Palmeiro, and it’s unfortunate that for whatever reason certain players (Sheffield in this instance) get free passes for similar mistakes.

Maybe one day we’ll agree that this is stupid, that we should enshrine the legendary players who may have made mistakes, and then we may finally put this stink to rest.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  mbs2001

A) Jay voted for Bonds and Clemens, so I have no idea what your point is.

B) Context matters. The context of Sheffield’s admission is that he testified against Anderson, of his own volition, because Anderson supplied him with steroids under false pretenses while he was training with Bonds.

mbs2001
3 years ago

I didnt say this writer didn’t vote for Bonds or Clemens, but the logic transfers. Humans are flawed as hell and when we solely rely on emotions and feelings, we’re very susceptible to stupidity. Popularity, most recent interaction, cultural leanings, mob mentality, human social flaws etc. all factor into the emotional response we feel when we are exposed to something.

ARod worked extremely hard on his brand so he’s in now? I remember a certain 60 minutes interview where he didn’t tell the truth. All he had to do was be likeable on TV which should have NOTHING TO DO WITH ELIGIBILITY.

What if Palmeiro is telling the truth in that Tejada unknowingly gave him a B12 shot with steroids? We don’t know, so we’re back to the emotional response we feel when we read the words “Rafael Palmerio”.

I’m sorry but the entire voting process has been a joke for years. Every voter feels obligated to search their inner feelings as to whether someone deserves forgiveness for a percieved mistake. Isn’t the goal of the HOF to celebrate the history of baseball?

Maybe when things improve and we’re not afraid of the truth ruining our romantic view of baseball, we’ll celebrate the best hitters and pitchers of the steroid era while also adding a bowl of amphetamines to the Willie Mays shrine 😉.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  mbs2001

A-Rod’s gotten a couple more votes than Manny, haha.

No idea what you’re on about.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  mbs2001

Harold Baines put more of a damper on everything than steroids did.

mbs2001
3 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

That was shocking, but I personally see the HOF as a museum and he got voted in by peers so wth.

Though I did enjoy the pathetic outrage that came with it. “He’s not worthy of being celebrated in the history of baseball! Protect the shrine!!!!” -fools

This is likely a local Chicago thing but I’m annoyed that the Baines “evidently” bobbleheads that were sold sound nothing like the original commercial.

I’d recommend checking it out. I still throw out a Baines “evidently” from time to time.

Bless You BoysMember since 2025
3 years ago

All good except missing Omar Vizquel.

Dmjn53
3 years ago
Reply to  Bless You Boys

Indeed. Elite player and even more elite of a person

mbs2001
3 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

We’re in the age of morality voting so no way.

Helluva second baseman though, so if possible I’d like to see and read about him at a baseball oriented museum.

Antonio BananasMember since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  Bless You Boys

He played in an era where a bad hitting SS got 600 ABs. He’s basically what would happen if Andrelton Simmons were to get 600 AB for 23 years. Career 83 wRC+, only 1 season over 4 WAR, 13 seasons under 2 WAR.

He’s a bench glove in a more enlighten era, was at no point a top 5 SS. He just played forever.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago

That’s not fair to Andrelton Simmons.

deb81162
3 years ago

Criteria for selecting a Hof player imo is wrong. Selections corelate to longevity more than anything else. For instance, Pete Rose played his last 5 years and had a -1.0 WAR. Dick Allen played approximately 1/2 the games as Rose. If you look at the all around numbers per game, Allen was a much better player. I don’t want to take away the longevity stats. I want to point out that it shouldn’t be mostly about longevity and running stats

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  deb81162

I wish someone would create a system that balanced peak and longevity, in order to properly evaluate HoF cases!

Any ideas, Jay?

Left of Centerfield
3 years ago

I don’t know how to create such a system, but whatever system is created, I propose we call it JAWS. Just a name that popped into my head….

Antonio BananasMember since 2026
3 years ago

I think you scale peak and longevity and add them.

Omar Vizquel might be a 7/10 longevity but he’s a 0/10 peak.

Andrew Jones is a 4/10 peak but a 8/10 peak.

Something like that. I weigh peak more though. Longevity can also just be dumb teams paying you to shit the bed for 3-5 years past your shelf life. So maybe you cut off the analysis after they’re useful (like if the Rockies paid Andruw Jones for 5 more years, he’d eventually get to 500 HR but they’d be terrible years, vs Omar Vizquel going unsigned after he was useful and shaving like 300 hits off his cumulative).

mbs2001
3 years ago

We should also include something that addresses the emotional ties to these players, and rate them according to likeability.

ARods likeability scale has been through thr roof the past few years which has all but enshrined him this year.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  mbs2001

What are you on about, haha?

Ballot tracker has him at 45% – in a virtual tie with Manny, and well behind Beltran.

Dmjn53
3 years ago
Reply to  deb81162

Rose was before my time so you got me into looking him up. Dude played nearly a full decade (8 years) at the end of his career as a sub replacement level player

g4Member since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

A testament to his greatness as a manager, he chose to play himself! ha

wroehl
3 years ago

How do we reconcile banning “cheaters” given all the love shown to the recently departed HOFer, Gaylord Perry?

mbs2001
3 years ago
Reply to  wroehl

We can’t but I’d like to propose a solution:

Let’s celebrate the history of the great game of baseball instead of trying to police what I should be allowed to see when I visit a freaking baseball museum.

Famous Mortimer
3 years ago
Reply to  mbs2001

You can look at whatever you like when you visit the Museum, which you’d know if you’d ever actually been. This is membership of the Hall of Fame, which means a plaque on a wall. Are you a particularly devoted fan of plaques?

Tanned Tom
3 years ago

Here’s something I’d love to see: the ability for voters to REMOVE people from the Hall. Start with Bud Selig, Tony La Russa and Harold Baines.

Dmjn53
3 years ago
Reply to  Tanned Tom

It’d be fun if we had two elections every year. One to add players, and one to remove

Antonio BananasMember since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

How about levels? Like a “platinum club” or something? Baseball has so many players and has been around so long.

The difference between Ted Williams and Barry Larkin is Ted Simmons.

Dmjn53
3 years ago

We sort of unofficially do that anyway. I think we all understand the gap between someone like Williams and Larkin is probably a lot larger than the gap between Larkin and your generic average SS (for some reason JJ Hardy entered my brain)

wcatbb
3 years ago

You can also make the case that the great 2018 Dodgers were also cheated out of a title (along with the dynastic 2018 Astros) during MLB’s electronic sign stealing era.

Knowing that, I think anyone can safely look past Mookie Betts sign-stealing aided 2018 MVP season because he proved, like any player in 2017, his talent is independent of whatever gamesmanship happened outside the lines.

g4Member since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  wcatbb

Yes, Boston’s illegal use of the video replay room was HIGHLY effective: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/how-much-did-the-red-sox-benefit-from-their-sign-stealing-scheme/

Richard Bergstrom
3 years ago

Loved the shoutout to those analysis giants.

BreadbakerMember since 2022
3 years ago

There’s a thing called the Hall of Fame for Great Americans, although it’s been decades since it had any additional members inducted and there are busts of inductees that couldn’t be funded. But it included Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson, two men who had taken an oath of allegiance to the Constitution of the United States and committed treason by waging war against it.

Let ’em all in.

Famous Mortimer
3 years ago
Reply to  Breadbaker

They’re in because other sedition enthusiasts voted them in, and I’m not sure the Hall of Fame of Great Americans should be held up as an example for baseball.

South DetroitMember since 2020
3 years ago

I always respect your methodical approach! I hope (overly optimistic I know) that all writers with the privilege to vote would apply same consistency regardless of their methodology. I am glad to see you’re making an impact on the collective process beyond your own vote.

If I had a vote, my methodology would allow more weighting for post season impact. Thus, I am sad to see Andy Pettitte not on your ballot. I have seen worse single seasons win the Cy Young award than what his post season career amounts to!

I think if we include the most important games a player ever plays in on top of their career regular season, we better capture iconic players worthy of the plaque. Regular season needs to weigh more of course (its a far larger sample!). I am just saying I would probably lend more weight to post season on top of that…but not so much so as to exclude Verlander some day lol

Thanks for sharing, a great read!

theoriolewayMember since 2026
3 years ago

Can we have a Relief Pitcher Hall of Fame? Wagner and K-Rod would be on the “in” side for me, but I haven’t yet crossed the Rubicon of including them in my full ballot. I haven’t convinced myself that 1,000 career innings is Hall-worthy, other than for Mariano Rivera and maybe Trevor Hoffman (both of whom pitched nearly 1,300 innings). I realize the game of baseball has changed quite significantly in the last 40 years, but I still struggle with the concept of failed starters earning Hall of Fame merit unless they are truly head-and-shoulders above their peers for a very, very long time. I’m close on the greatness standard for Wagner, but he pitched 30% less than Rivera.

Dmjn53
3 years ago
Reply to  theorioleway

In a weird alternate history. Mariano Rivera is a better pitcher and we never hear about him. In this timeline, he doesn’t fail as a starter, hangs around for a couple of years as a 2 win starter, and then he retires as a wealthy man in obscurity.

But Rivera was not a better pitcher, he was not good enough to be a starter. And the rest is history

Mahoney
3 years ago
Reply to  theorioleway

One thing to note about Wagner is that he wasn’t a failed starter at all – he had been a top prospect as a starter, but was moved to the bullpen when the Astros first called him up and did so well there that he became a closer. So in his case, being a closer was basically because of the high value placed on closers during his career, not because of perceived weakness as a starter.

(On that note, both Jansen and Kimbrel were developed as relievers from the get-go, so there would be no “failed starter” argument for either of them if they reach the cusp of HOF contention).

68FCMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  theorioleway

The “relief pitchers are just failed starters” argument has never sat right with me. Yes, many relievers began their careers as starters and eventually moved to the bullpen because it better fit their skillsets, but that isn’t a phenomenon unique to pitchers. Almost every second and third baseman in the league probably was a shortstop as a prep player, most outfielders started as centerfielders. They moved to roles that better suited their skillsets and we don’t discount Roberto Alomar as a “failed shortstop”

Obviously their are positional adjustments and we expect more offensive production from players as they move down the defensive spectrum, but the same is true of pitchers. Relievers are expected to me much more effective on a per-inning basis than starters in order to stick around as a late game option for any length of time. Just to use the two first time Angels on the ballot, Lackey accumulated much more career WAR than K-Rod because of the relative volume, but K-Rod was a much more effective pitcher on a per inning basis (ERA- of 69 vs 91) and was pitching more important innings (pLI of 1.8 vs 0.99). Lackey couldn’t have done K-Rod’s job any more than K-Rod could have done Lackey’s.

South DetroitMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  68FC

Great points!

Antonio BananasMember since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  68FC

I’m not sure I agree with the comparison.

It’d be closer to a bench specialist. A great fielder who’s bat diminishes may stay in the league as a defensive replacement. Or a guy who only mashes lefties sticks around to pinch hit. We don’t have Hall of Fame defensive replacements or pinch hitters. Those players are also expected to perform better on a per inning/at bat basis, but that is because they can’t be trusted for longer. Which is what relievers are.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago

This would be a much stronger analogy if literally every team in baseball didn’t completely disagree with it.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  theorioleway

Wagner wasn’t a failed starter – he was a first round pick, was effective in the minors, became a top prospect…and then was brought up to help the pen “temporarily.”

Then he was just so damn good that they decided not to mess with a good thing.

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jdankoskyMember since 2017
3 years ago

Thoughtful as always. Thanks for this, and Happy New Year.

sogoodlooking
3 years ago

“Note that I have not used allegations of domestic violence to disqualify candidates from consideration, though such matters are far more serious than PEDs. I can certainly understand voters choosing to rule such candidates out.”

—-I can’t. Not over an allegation. A conviction or a certainty otherwise arrived at (say via an admission that went unpunished in law) is an entirely different matter, and it should be clear an allegation is not either of those.

docgooden85Member since 2018
3 years ago

I thought I had an argument against Andruw Jones, but he got a great jump and cut it off in the gap.

MikeD
3 years ago

Abreu = Nope.

Throughout his career, it was written that Abreu was underrated. Now on the HOF ballot it’s said that he’s under valued. If the universal consensus about a player is he’s underrated, isn’t that a sign that he might now be fairly valued, if not overrated?

A fine player. A career 60 WAR RFer, although defensively not a good one. He’s border line, and to me on the wrong side of that line.

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68FCMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  MikeD

I think both can be true. I agree that he falls just short of being a HOFer in my book (though very close), but that doesn’t mean he isn’t underrated. By JAWS he is sandwiched between Dave Winfield and Vlad Guerrero and ahead of both in peak. They are 12 and 9 all stars respectively, while Abreu only made 2 all-star teams. Abreu didn’t make his first all star appearance until his 7th straight 5+ WAR season. While I think WAR overrates some of his early seasons due to some questionable TZ defensive metrics, he pretty clearly was underrated during his career.

While many now are bringing more attention to how good Abreu was, he still has very little traction with HOF voters. He hasn’t topped 10% of the vote yet and finished behind Jimmy Rollins last year. He seems to be getting a little more love this year, but lets wait until he gets past half of Steve Garvey’s lowest vote total before we start calling him overvalued.

jgrub7
3 years ago
Reply to  MikeD

I think Bobby Abreu should be in the HOF and is still seriously underrated. The main problem with Abreu is that he did not have any one area in which he was dominant — he was extremely good in all areas. That leads to being overlooked and is exacerbated by the fact that so many of the players outshining him were on steroids (Bonds, Sosa, Sheffield, Piazza, Bagwell, Luis Gonzalez, Ramirez, ARod, McGwire, Giambi, Tejada, Palmeiro etc.) His numbers adjusted for the league at the time (like OPS+ and WRC+) are likely deflated as a result.

However, Abreu was one of the most unique offensive players of all time. He is 1 of 2 players in the last 95 years with 400 steals and a career 0.475 SLG% (Bonds is the other). He is 1 of 18 to maintain a .300/.400/.500 slashline for any 10-year period since 1950 (min. 5000 PAs). Going even further, since 1950 Bonds and Abreu are the only 2 players to average at least 20 HR, 20 SB, 100 R, 90 RBI, and 100 BB for an entire decade while keeping a .300/.400/.500 slashline. While this was no doubt extraordinary, no one noticed and it was completely overlooked because people were hitting more HRs, stealing more bases, driving in more runs, and walking at unprecedented rates.

He is 1 of 32 with 10,000 PAs and at least a 125 WRC+ since 1950 (all unlinked to steroids and eligible for the HOF have been inducted except for Abreu and Dwight Evans). So it was not just 10 years and out. He maintained a high level of production throughout the entirety of his 18 years in MLB.

From 1998 to 2007, he accumulated more fWAR than ANY other right fielder and 4th most among all OF behind Bonds, Andruw Jones, and Albert Pujols.

Abreu was also not a bad defender prior to turning 30. He actually was league average or better. It was not until later in his career that he became a liability in the outfield like many many other Hall of Famers.

I think there are way more reasons to vote for Abreu than not and the fact of the matter is that he would fit perfectly into the current HOF right fielder cohort. He was the most valuable player at his position for a decade and was a uniquely offensive threat. I think that is plenty good enough to get into the Hall of Fame.

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Ecofolux
3 years ago

LOL you voted for Beltran but not Schilling?? I think we can all learn from you, Mr. Morality…I mean Jay!

zobp
3 years ago

Great ballot – disagree on Wagner but I get it.

The Alomar aside is a little alarming though – first ballot isn’t really a thing and it would be better if writers didn’t treat it as a thing. There isn’t a special wing of the hall for first time ballot players just as there isn’t a lower section for the McGriffs. Viewing the first ballot as an award/punishment that writers can levy seems troubling. It is as if writers are arbiters of morality invoking the character clause on a year-by-year basis based on their personal contempt for a player. Certainly ballots change over time, when different or new events come to light, or different analyses are applied or a given context is better understood. However, the idea that the character clause permits a ‘one year penalty’ writers can impose isn’t in the spirit of the rule. Certainly struggle yearly over the steroid era and whether or not those players merit inclusion. Change opinions of players when new information comes to light. Saying that ‘I won’t vote for player X this year but I will the following year because he did something I didn’t like’ is a stranger take though – as if it is the voters’ job to teach him a lesson.

TL;DR – the character clause, while subjective, loses its value if writers use it as a form of temporary punishment.

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
3 years ago

Thanks for a great column and another great year of reading, Jay. Seeing your worthy praise of the trailblazers made me realize just how much I–and perhaps others in their early 40s–owe to Rob Neyer’s columns on espn.com back then. His writing style, in particular, was much more inclusive and edifying than James’s, yet I feel like he’s never gotten the credit he deserved for making the field what it is. Big fans of all those folks (even James in his curmudgeonliness) and grateful for the FG we have today. Happy New Year!

Famous Mortimer
3 years ago

Bill James may be a statistical trailblazer, but he was a terrible writer and seemed to spend the last five years or so getting roasted on Twitter for a succession of rotten takes on pretty much every subject.

GFE
3 years ago

Cooperstown was an economically depressed town suffering from the Great Depression and the effects of prohibition on the local hops industry. The Hall of Fame was conceived as a tourist attraction to bring some revenue to the town. The piety attached to what is no more than a museum of baseball is laughable, particularly in regard to the talk about morals. That ship sailed with the inaugural class, which included that paragon of virtue Ty Cobb.

Anyone with a modicum of knowledge of the history of the league knows that cheating has been a feature of major league baseball since long before the Steroids Era and “the home run race that saved baseball” (for which Bud Selig invented the Commissioner’s Historic Achievement Award, which he bestowed upon those two squeaky-clean competitors, McGwire and Sosa, and later to Barry Bonds). There are plenty of players of questionable character enshrined in Cooperstown, and given the prevalence of amphetamines in the game, it certainly houses plaques honoring drug users:

“I don’t want to say guys are addicted, but it’s like putting on your uniform. You have your glove, your batting gloves, your bat, you take your greenie and you’re ready to go.”

—Chipper Jones (as quoted in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette)

That quote appears in “Under The Knife: Amphetamines and Baseball” by Will Carroll on the Baseball Prospectus site.

People have a remarkable ability to perpetuate a farce. But if we want to finally dispense with the fake history of the game and the attendant phony piety, admission to the Hall should be based on two things alone: how well you played the game and, given that it’s a museum of the famous, how famous you were. Plenty of honorees are in there on that basis.

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