Jed Lowrie Joins Mets’ Overcrowded Infield

In the abstract, the Mets’ signing of infielder Jed Lowrie to a two-year, $20 million contract is a nice little move. The team gets a versatile, well-regarded veteran who’s coming off such a strong enough year that he might have received double that guaranteed money in a more hospitable free agent market. In the real world, the signing of Lowrie raises more questions than it answers, questions for new general manager Brodie Van Wagenen about how the Mets plan to allocate playing time throughout not just their infield but their outfield, and about how they value the futures of the promising youngsters within both groups.

The switch-hitting Lowrie, who turns 35 in April, has spent the last three seasons with the A’s and is coming off career bests in home runs (23), wRC+ (122, with a .267/.353/.448 line), and WAR (4.9). That comes on the heels of a previous career high of 3.6 WAR in 2017, accompanied by 14 homers and a 119 wRC+. Before that, he had his ups and downs — we’ll get to those — and he has a long history of playing all over the infield, but during this two-year surge, 95% of his defensive innings have come at second base.

Of course, less than six weeks ago, the Mets traded for an eight-time All-Star second baseman in Robinson Cano, and just this past summer, in the second half of an otherwise lost season, they stumbled upon a productive, homegrown second baseman in Jeff McNeil. As with their outfield of the past two seasons — a collection light on capable center fielders, and populated with more lefty-swinging corner outfield bats than any reasonably assembled roster needs — it’s not at all clear how they intend to fit all of the parts together into a coherent whole. They do intend to play Lowrie every day, according to Newsday’s Steven Marcus, but with position(s) to be determined.

I’ll attempt to sort all of that out below, but first, Lowrie is worth a closer look. Before his big 2017 and ’18 seasons, you’d have to go back to 2013 to find a similarly strong campaign on his resumé. He was below replacement level in 2016 before missing the final two months of the season due to surgery to remove a bunion and repair a ligament in his left big toe, and from 2014-2016 hit for just an 89 wRC+ with 2.2 WAR in 292 games while missing additional time due to a fractured right index finger (2014) and a torn ligament in his right thumb (2015).

Lowrie, who lists at a modest 6-foot and 180 pounds, has cited improved lower body conditioning and late-2016 surgery to repair a deviated septum — a procedure that improved the quality of his sleep and his ability to recover from workouts — as reasons for his recent improvement. He speaks like a man aware of the flood of data available to players these days. “I look back at the success I’ve had in my career hitting, and the focus has always had to be on my legs, getting the most out of my legs as I can,” Lowrie told the San Francisco Chronicle’s Susan Slusser last April. “Some guys are strong enough to manipulate their mechanics and get an ideal launch angle. I’m trying to maximize bat speed to maximize exit velocity.”

As he told Sports Techie’s Joe Lemire in September:

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“I check [Statcast] regularly. We have our system upstairs in the clubhouse, so if you see me leaving the dugout, 99 percent of the time it’s to go up and look at either video or exit velocity and launch angle. I use that information more as a debriefing. I can figure out that if I take the swing that I wanted to mechanically on a pitch that I know I can hit hard, but the exit velocity wasn’t what I expected it to be, then maybe it’s because my legs aren’t underneath me.”

By and large, Lowrie’s 2017 and ’18 Statcast numbers are better than his 2015 and-16 ones:

Jed Lowrie Via Statcast, 2015-2018
Season GB/FB Exit Velocity Launch Angle wOBA xwOBA
2015 0.80 89.0 16.2 .305 .310
2016 1.33 85.7 11.3 .282 .294
2017 0.68 88.8 18.6 .347 .375
2018 0.76 89.0 17.1 .348 .333
SOURCE: Baseball Savant

He’s elevating the ball more consistently and hitting it harder, which explains why he’s been more successful at ages 33 and 34 than earlier in his 11-year major league career, which began with the Red Sox (2008-2011) and has included multiple stays with both the Astros (2012, 2015) and A’s (2013-2014, 2016-2018). That should mitigate some fears about an expected fall-off in his mid-30s.

On the defensive side, Lowrie made 132 starts at second base in 2017, and 133 in 2018; he was above average there in the latter season (6.1 UZR, 1 DRS) after three straight years in the red by both metrics (-5.5 UZR, -12 DRS). He last played shortstop in 2016, and that was for just three innings, with 16 starts in 2015; his metrics had slipped far enough into the red prior that he’s best regarded as an emergency solution at the position these days. He’s played only a smidgen of third base recently (three innings in 2017, 14 starts in 2018); his most extensive work at the hot corner came in 2015, when he played 47 games and was within a run of average via both UZR and DRS.

In terms of his recent usage, Lowrie doesn’t look like the second coming of Ben Zobrist, Kiley McDaniel’s admiration notwithstanding, but the Mets, who lost out on the real Zobrist in December 2015, when he signed with the Cubs, are planning to move him around. Not only is second base overpopulated, but third baseman Todd Frazier is under contract for one more season and $9 million. Oh, and Lowrie, like Cano and Frazier, is a former Van Wagenen client. Things could get awkward as these guys fight for playing time, and in the meantime, it’s fair to raise an eyebrow regarding this agent-turned-GM’s penchant for collecting his aging former clients.

Indeed, right now, it’s hard to make sense of how Van Wagenen and manager Mickey Callaway plan to piece this together. Not only did they trade for Cano, they just added utilityman J.D. Davis for a rather steep prospect price. They got a nice 63-game rookie season out of McNeil and a not-so-nice sophomore campaign from shortstop Amed Rosario. They have last year’s first base prospect, Dominic Smith, and next year’s first base prospect, Peter Alonso. I don’t even dare crack wise about another reunion with Jose Reyes, as his 2018 season and the Mets’ justifications for keeping him were both terrible.

Let’s put these guys in a table:

Mets’ Infield Logjam
Player Bats 2019 Age Primary Pos Secondary Pos 2018 WAR 2019 Proj
Peter Alonso R 24 1B N/A 1.5
Dominic Smith L 24 1B LF (LOL) -0.5 0.0
Robinson Cano L 36 2B 1B 2.9 3.3
Jed Lowrie S 35 2B 3B, 1B? 4.9 2.1
Jeff McNeil L 27 2B 3B?, OF? 2.7 1.1
Amed Rosario R 23 SS 1.5 2.1
Todd Frazier R 33 3B 1B 1.5 0.9
J.D. Davis R 26 3B 1B -0.6 0.2
Projections via Depth Charts

Alonso, Smith, and Davis all have minor league options; so does Rosario, but lacking a ready alternative at shortstop, we can ignore that. Worth adding to the picture is the knowledge that Smith’s stock is very low, that Davis is a bench piece for now, that McNeil didn’t seem to have any problems against southpaws as a rookie (124 wRC+, albeit in 62 PA), that Frazier suddenly struggled against lefties in 2018 (52 wRC+ in 129 PA), which may just be a fluke, and that Lowrie’s been about average versus lefties over the past two years while mashing righties. That still leaves a fierce game of musical chairs.

If the Mets go around the horn with Ye Oldest Lineup, Frazier-Rosario-Lowrie-Cano, then not only are they playing their marquee offseason acquisition at a position where he’s got just 14 games under his belt — and he’s still quite playable at second base (2.8 UZR in 2018) — but they need to figure out how to get enough playing time for McNeil, who hit .329/.381/.471 (137 wRC+); they clearly aren’t calling up Alonso (.285/.395/.579 with 36 homers split between Double-A and Triple-A) anytime soon in this scenario. If they go Lowrie-Rosario-McNeil-Cano, they’ve got two corner guys playing their lesser positions, a second baseman on whom the jury is still out defensively (0.4 UZR, -2 DRS), a bench player making $9 million, and again no clear path for Alonso. McNeil-Rosario-Lowrie-Cano trades a comparatively minor question about second base for a major one about whether McNeil can handle third, something the Mets appeared reluctant to find out in 2018. McNeil-Rosario-Cano-Lowrie? The new guy has a total of 28 major league innings at first base, all of them in Boston in 2010-2011; that’s 11 more innings than McNeil has played at first in the minors, lest you think about swapping those corners. Frazier-Rosario-Cano-Lowrie may as well be Lowrie-Rosario-Cano-Frazier; the Toddfather might be the better defender at both positions.

All of this is reminiscent of the Mets’ mismatched outfield of the past two seasons, with Jay Bruce, Curtis Granderson, Yoenis Cespedes, Michael Conforto, Brandon Nimmo, and no true center fielder besides the oft-injured Juan Lagares. Granderson was traded to the Dodgers in late 2017, Bruce went to Seattle in the Cano trade, Cespedes may not play at all in 2019 after surgery to remove bone spurs in both heels, Nimmo has established himself as one of their top hitters, and they just acquired Keon Broxton in a 3-for-1 deal, so it’s a stretch to say they’ve got things sorted out there beyond some kind of Conforto-Lagares/Broxton-Nimmo arrangement. Reportedly, they plan to find time for McNeil in the outfield, though he has just nine minor league appearances totaling 65.1 innings out in the pasture. At whose expense will that playing time come?

I don’t know those answers, and right now, I’m not sure the Mets do, either. The fear is that they’re now overly stocked with infielders in their mid-30s who are cutting into the playing time of infielders and outfielders in their 20s, but it’s worth acknowledging that Opening Day is 2 1/2 months away (gah) and that this move probably means others are in store. Perhaps they trade Frazier in a salary dump, or deal Conforto for another young, controllable player who fits their lineup better.

For all of the above hand-wringing, the good news is that Van Wagenen continues to add useful players, and that the Mets are projected to win 85 games, which should put them in the thick of the NL East fight. Van Wagenen’s vision of a competitive 2019 squad may not be my vision or your vision, but it’s certainly more visionary than what we’ve seen in Queens in the past couple of seasons, and that counts for something.





Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.

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BenZobrist4MVP
7 years ago

Now the Mets just need to sign Mike Moustakas and Asdrubal Cabrera.

Mike DMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  BenZobrist4MVP

Not just one or the other, but yes both

Slappytheclown
7 years ago
Reply to  BenZobrist4MVP

There is always the trade market too, maybe they could pick up Panik as well!

Russell EassomMember since 2019
7 years ago

“but it’s worth acknowledging that Opening Day is 2 1/2 months away (gah) and that this move probably means others are in store”

That is my view, there is still more trades to come from BVW and the Mets. But even if they don’t they have a team which looks like it can compete.

stakhanovitamix
7 years ago
Reply to  Russell Eassom

Yeah, it’s nice that they at least acknowledged that the team may not be a finished project, and that they have been adding useful players- though it would be nicer if they put those kinds of disclaimers towards the top, instead of in the final paragraphs after about 3000 words.

Mookie Wilson
7 years ago

Yeah, not sure that being fair to the club is a priority in an article where you have phrases like the Mets ‘stumbled on’ Jeff McNeil.

John Autin
7 years ago
Reply to  Mookie Wilson

Well quipped. One need only browse the author’s archive to know just how true your statement is.

czelasko
7 years ago

Seems like to me they play Cano at 1B, Lowrie at 2B, Frazier at 3B, Rosario at SS. McNeil becomes a super utility player, Davis gets the odd start against lefties, and Smith and Alonso start the year in AAA.

David Klein
7 years ago

No way are they trading Conforto. Mets are trying to follow the Cubs and Dodgers model when it comes to depth. I figure to start at least that we’ll see Frazier at first and Lowrie at third and once Alonso comes up they’ll shuffle guys around. I wouldn’t have an issue moving Frazier with his declining power the last two years for maybe a reliever.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
7 years ago
Reply to  David Klein

I agree that they’re obviously TRYING to follow that depth model, but it doesn’t seem like Van Wagenen or anyone else has realized that you need players with positional flexibility to make it work as a roster. You can’t do the depth model as an assortment of spare parts, it requires careful thinking about how to patch the roster together — and it also more or less requires at least one or two guys who are actually a step above “super-utility,” in the sense that they have to be IF/OF capable AND have the bat of an everyday major-league player. Without at least one or two Kiké Hernandez/Ben Zobrist types on the roster you just can’t squeeze in all the pieces you need by signing two separate piles of infielders and outfielders.

TulkasMember since 2020
7 years ago

I mean, Lowrie has experience playing 3B and SS, and it’s fair to assume that either him or Cano could play 1B if needed. Frazier could certainly play either corner, and McNeil is still unknown but again, if he can play 2B reasonably well, it stands to reason he has the range to play any corner position.

Really, the only place that you can’t easily mix and match is SS and CF, but that’s pretty normal even for a high-depth team like the Dodgers. And between Lagares, Broxton, Nimmo/Conforto in emergencies, and Guillorme, those positions have serviceable plan B options, if not high-upside starters.

It’s not like the Dodgers or Cubs have 5 guys that can slide into any premium defensive position either. The Cubs have 2 SS, one of which is really better as 2B and then a dozen corner guys that just aren’t butchers. Schwarber is a great example. He was put in LF because where else would you play him, not because he was such a great multi-positional fit. And the Dodgers really only had Kike and MAYBE Taylor behind Seager, and then a bunch of guys that can play the corners or 2B, or fake it in center if they have to, just like the Mets.

The Dodgers and Cubs are obviously deeper and better, but the Cubs are only projected to win 2 more games than the Mets right now. There”s no reason to be so critical of the Mets. They’re a good team that have made mostly good moves this season, Davis trade notwithstanding, and this is just another good move.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
7 years ago
Reply to  Tulkas

For what it’s worth, I also think this is a good signing, if also a slightly weird one. But you don’t really seem to be responding to what I said. If they put all the players you’re naming on the roster, they’ll have a 5-man bullpen at best.

attgig
7 years ago

McNeil becomes an OF’er more than an IF’er, as does JD Davis if he’s in flushing

TulkasMember since 2020
7 years ago

This piece seems very overcritical of the Mets for no reason. When the Dodgers or Cubs have extra good hitters that may or may not fit somewhere, they are generally lauded for their depth. And it’s not like the Mets are blocking proven hitters–McNeil has half a season of showing way above expectations and Alonso hasn’t played an inning in the majors. What if either Jeff McNeil remembers he has no good tools and turns into a pumpkin? What if Alonso discovers 80 power is his only major league capable tool? Plus, it’s not like Frazier was good last year or is projected to be good this year. Why are we criticizing a team who picked up a 120 wRC+ hitter for a ridiculously good contract to when the only “sure thing” in the infield is Robinson Cano?

I mean, I get the Mets have made some bad moves, but to call this Ye Oldest Infield because we have Cano and Lowrie playing is asinine. Cano and Lowrie are both projected to be very good players. This isn’t bringing in old sucky guys to displace promising potential. This is bringing in well-projected depth in case plan A doesn’t go well. Especially given the issues with injuries the Mets seemingly hit every year, this is hardly worth of criticism.

Like, I get it. It’s fun to rag on the Mets, and they still don’t have a CF that isn’t a defensive replacement. But there aren’t a ton of CF on the market right now and the only major free agent may be nothing more than a league average hitter, and he wants 4 yrs at 60 million. Maybe Broxton wasn’t the best complement to Lagares, and the Davis trade was probably just bad. But it’s not hard to look at this team and see real improvement from last year. The focus on depth is one of the few responsible things the Mets are doing, and they’re doing it efficiently. Ramos and Lowrie are both great value for the team, and Familia, Cano, Diaz, and Broxton were probably fair value. The only overpay all offseason has been Davis.

It’s fair to wonder if Callaway is the right guy to properly manage these timeshares, I suppose, given that he didn’t really do a great job last season. But to criticize the Mets for this deal and their overall strategy is a harsh.

Kevbot034
7 years ago
Reply to  Tulkas

You’re not wrong, totally. But ” When the Dodgers or Cubs have extra good hitters that may or may not fit somewhere, they are generally lauded for their depth. ” The thing is, the Mets had very real holes to fill and instead loaded up on questionable depth choices rather than filling those holes. What if they didn’t trade for Davis and sign Lowrie, and instead signed Pollock? Wouldn’t that have made more sense for the team, you think?

I don’t know if this is a bad deal. Or if any of their moves are. But it doesn’t seem to do anything truly obvious for them, and it’s a head scratcher.

drummie
7 years ago
Reply to  Kevbot034

CF is a hole for them, but there isnt a lot out there other than Pollock, who isn’t a given considering his injury history, salary demands and decline in numbers since his big years.

The mets gave a lot of playing time to Reyes, Agon, Smtih etc (Bautista even played 11 games at third!). This depth is an upgrade on what they had the past few years.

TulkasMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  Kevbot034

I don’t love Pollock. Since his rash of injuries, he’s been nothing but league average with the bat, and his CF defense isn’t excellent enough to offset that. Not to mention he wants more than Lorenzo Cain in years and dollars. I agree with you that I want a quality CF more than I want another 2B, but if that 2B his 120+ wRC+ and only costs 2/20m, it’s a pretty easy choice.

I mean, DJL is a worse hitter and similar defender and he just went to the Yanks for 2/24. They are in a similar position where they don’t really need another 2B. But they get depth and good value on a good hitter that they can mostly play around the diamond. It’s a good move. Same thing for the Mets, but our guy is cheaper and better.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  Kevbot034

This is only bad if it prevents them from signing Pollock or acquiring an equivalent, no? Or if McNeil or Davis can’t play CF or SS. Or if they can’t trade Frazier or someone for a Mike Trout or Francisco Lindor. This team once played Howard Johnson at SS with a high K staff. It’s not at all obvious to me that signing Pollock instead of Lowrie would have been a better idea.

Dooduh
7 years ago
Reply to  Kevbot034

What very real holes?

oozyalbies1
7 years ago
Reply to  Dooduh

I agree. I think they’re okay in the bullpen and don’t need an upgrade in CF specifically (I wouldn’t touch Pollock if I were them). Broxton may be a bit redundant, but he’s a great defender and actually has upside potential with the bat, which Lagares does not.

Didn’t we just see Billy Hamilton be a regular in Cincinnati for his defense and baserunning? Broxton’s a better hitter than he is, even if he doesn’t improve on his 2018 much. Aren’t people pining to give Byron Buxton another shot in Minnesota, despite his larger sample of ineptitude against MLB pitching?

Don’t get me wrong – this is a weird signing considering their current IF depth and lack of back up SS. I think you’ll likely see a McNeil / Broxton + Lagares platoon to open the year, with Conforto sliding to CF against righties. That’s what I’d hope anyway, because McNeil should see some regular ABs.

Original Greaser Bob
7 years ago
Reply to  Tulkas

Sure but the Cubs and Dodgers fielded players that could actually be starters at multiple positions not just a bunch of 2B.

hookworm86
7 years ago

Most of these guys aren’t just second baseman. Most of them could reasonably slide over to first where they may be needed. Smith doesn’t look like a major leaguer and Alonso is bad defensively. Nobody seems to mention this. Like not just bad, but ugly bad. Possibly unplayable even as a first baseman. Not to mention pitchers in the AFL were saying they found and exploited a hole in his swing. It’s not unreasonable for the team to be hesitant about handing him the starting job and instead have the guy spend some more time working out kinks in the minors.
Furthermore, Frazier has been declining quickly the past couple years, so Lowrie/McNeil could be the preferred third baseman.

Let’s be real here: if “LOLmets” weren’t such a popular meme (and I get that they’ve done a lot to deserve it in the past), nobody would be this critical of a team acquiring depth. Especially not a team whose biggest weakness the past few years has been a startling lack of depth.

TulkasMember since 2020
7 years ago

Lowrie was once a 3B starter, and could play an emergency SS. Either of them could play 1B if needed. McNeil was supposed to be an iron glove at 2B but exceeded expectations there and probably could do not terribly at 3B, 1B, and possibly hack it in a corner OF.

Meanwhile, the Cubs put Schwarber in LF without any reason to suggest he would be good there, and at first he was awful. 2B is up the middle, it’s not completely absurd to think that a few of these guys could probably be fine to decent in the corners if needed.

Original Greaser Bob
7 years ago

My hyperbolic comment was just in response to yours, I didn’t say anything about LOLMets. None of these players read that none are equivalent to the players that the Cubs or Dodgers have. This is building roster depth but no it’s not in any world like the roster depth that the Cubs or Dodgers developed. This is like any other team in terms of depth. This chart isn’t a lie https://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=ALL&teamid=1

TulkasMember since 2020
7 years ago

According to this chart, the Mets are only 3 WAR behind the Cubs. It’s fair to suggest that projections on guys like McNeil, Nimmo, Rosario, and Syndergaard could be on the low end. Really, this chart proves that the Mets are actually much better than people realize, just a step down from a few super teams at the top of the standings, but likely set to be well above average. I look at that see my point only reinforced.

Theo
7 years ago
Reply to  Tulkas

Tulkas I agree with you. One of the biggest problems for the Mets each year is their lack of depth, but now that they’re building up their depth it’s a bad thing? People (especially Mets fans) just like to hate on the Mets because they’re the Mets. It just doesn’t seem like there’s a move they could do that won’t be criticized. They could go and sign Harper and people would complain because he’s not a center fielder. The pessimism by people, especially by other Mets fans is just depressing. I understand that they’ve made a bunch of bad moves in the past, but nobody is even giving BVW a chance.

Mookie Wilson
7 years ago
Reply to  Theo

They haven’t even been making those bad moves in general since the Minaya days. ’18 was an outlier and a lot of things were going on (the guy had cancer for one), but other than that, Alderson was pretty great.

David Klein
7 years ago
Reply to  Mookie Wilson

Sandy was good here until Depodesta left and after that it wasn’t pretty Sandy’s last few years. I will never understand Sandy’s love for Jay Bruce.

TulkasMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  Theo

Seriously. I’m far from suggesting BVW was a good hire, but he’s really only made one bad move, which was trading for Davis. I’m really curious how the DJ LeMahieu signing is positioned. It’s basically the exact same situation, but I’m willing to bet that there will be far less criticism.

dodgerbleu
7 years ago
Reply to  Tulkas

I will suggest BVM was a good hire. I cannot remember ever being as impressed with a GM in my entire life. That’s 50% because of his moves, and 50% because he’s been able to do what he’s done under the Wilpon regime.

I absolutely love the BVM hire, and when the Mets are successful next year, I’m going to love all the shit talking writes eating crow (that is not a statement aimed at the author of this piece – more the mainstream writers).

TulkasMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  dodgerbleu

I’m hesitant to assign BVW credit for the Wilpons suddenly not making the worst decisions possible. It’s less that BVW is so good and more that the other GMs that could have been good were faced with severe handicaps that for some reason BVW is avoiding.

And I do think it’s fair to question if Cano and Diaz and Lowrie and Broxton were the best way to build that depth, or if these guys were really the right guys to go after. For example, could Santana and Plawecki could have headlined a package for JP Crawford instead of JD Davis? Or would MadBum and Will Smith been better targets instead of Cano and Diaz, especially since we possibly could have kept Kelenic?

But I agree with you that for all their warts, BVW’s moves have made the team better, and we haven’t mortgaged the future all that much in the process (losing Santana and Kelenic hurts, but at least we got fair value back for Kelenic). There’s definitely a lot more faith in the Mets as a whole now than there was.

Trotter76Member since 2018
7 years ago
Reply to  Tulkas

Tuklas, I agree with a lot of your points but I don’t think the Davis trade is as bad as you seem to believe. In addition to Rosario, 3 of the Mets top 5 prospects are currently listed as SS (Gimenez, Mauricio and Newton), so trading Luis Santana (undersized and currently in rookie ball) for an MLB-ready slugger with a .988 OPS in AAA last year seems like a risk worth taking. I know Davis has struggled in fewer than 200 ABs at the MLB level, but I don’t see why it’s a done deal that he cannot succeed in the future. Now, you may be right and it’s possible Santana turns into Altuve 2.0 while Davis becomes Matt Davidson, but that is not assured on either side.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  Tulkas

You know, I think it’s fair to laugh about this because it looks like a mess. These guys are all used to playing everyday, and they’re going to stiff some young guys who have a ton of promise. It’s going to be hard to figure this out

But it’s also important to note that it’s such a good deal for the Mets, it’s still probably a net win for them. Lowrie’s probably their second best infielder, and they got him for cheap. That’s pretty good. But how they’re going to figure out who plays where and for how much? I’ll go get the popcorn.

Connor Grey
7 years ago

My guess is Frazier gets traded, maybe for an expensive reliever who’s owed a similar amount of money for next year.

Dan GreerMember since 2018
7 years ago

I predict Lowrie will play a lot of 3B, as Cano didn’t look very comfortable at 1B in his small sample last year, and Jed has a lot of experience on the left side of the infield (true that he’s not a shortstop anymore but experience matters when teams shift more than ever before).

Frazier probably does get moved in a salary dump, and Conforto/Nimmo end up playing a fair amount of CF to allow for McNeil to play some. Dom Smith and J.D. Davis seem like bench guys at best, especially if Frazier ends up sticking around.

Callaway may have to embrace his inner Joe Maddon to get the most out of this team.

Kevbot034
7 years ago

Rosario did kinda suck, but he also improved at everything, including walk and k rates. I think there is still a shot he can be a pretty good player. Which makes this even more confusing.

khaaan
7 years ago
Reply to  Kevbot034

I don’t think it’s fair to say a 22-year old shortstop worth 1.5 WAR sucks, but I see what you mean.

Kevbot034
7 years ago
Reply to  khaaan

Well, an 85 wrc is pretty poor to go with decent but not great defense. But I only mentioned it because the article called it a “not promising sophomore year”, and I was trying to find a bright spot, to be honest lol.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  Kevbot034

This is kind of where I land too. Amed Rosario somehow put up 1.5 wins despite being a below-average hitter and defender. On the plus side, he did do a good job baserunning (I don’t know how sustainable that is) and that he’s a warm body at shortstop (this one is a little more sustainable). Hence why he only kinda sucks…he’s a warm body who plays shortstop.

dl80Member since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I mean, 1.5 wins is the definition of below average

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  dl80

For starters, yes.

Darkstar61
7 years ago

Does the team realize there is a 25 man limit?

And who is going to be the backup Short Stop? They seriously going with Lowrie for that, or they planning to add yet another guy to this group?

oozyalbies1
7 years ago
Reply to  Darkstar61

Not sure why this is getting down-voted despite it being a bit snarky. It’s an important questions regarding SS. Rosario can’t play EVERY day.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  oozyalbies1

Guillorme, I think. But it’s hard to carry a utility player who’s only a backup at one position.

Of course, Guillorme is nowhere near as good as Jed Lowrie as a player. There is an argument for letting Lowrie try to function at short to get his offense in the lineup when Rosario sits.

NetflixnRichHill
7 years ago

I’m really only here because I’m a McNeil fan and I wanted to see how other people are thinking this affects his role.

Now, because the general manager simulation (wannabe) portion of my brain is being grated on by the idea of not going with the cheap and intriguing options of McNeil at 2B and Alonso at 1B (and using the extra money to beef up the bullpen – though Avilan was a good add), I’m starting reactionarily speculate about the Mets next move. The first one being something crazy, like Nimmo, McNeil, Frazier for Kluber or Bauer. I’m not saying they will or that I think they should because depth is so important, and they certainly have it now, but more because it seems that BVW is more keen on proven, older players.

Then again, I’m not a GM or Mets fan and they could absolutely roll with this roster because it looks pretty darn good. It’s been a super intriguing flurry of moves thus far by BVW, if nothing else. The NL East looks really fun!

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago

If I’m a GM who needs a second baseman, I am trying to trade for Jeff McNeil ASAP. They’ve pretty much buried him.

Johnnie TMember since 2024
7 years ago

I have a sneaking suspicion that McNeil will be as good next year as any of their other infielders (maybe a darkhorse contender for the batting avg title) and agree it is a shame that they are burying him. That said, vast depth is a good thing if you can afford it.

I just hope that McNeil can pick up cf enough to play there and we can see what he does over a full season.

David Klein
7 years ago
Reply to  Johnnie T

In the age of four man benches it is hard to bury a guy, and I still think he’ll get a decent amount of at bats in the OF and there will be injuries so I don’t think he’ll be buried.

dl80Member since 2020
7 years ago

That’s not nearly enough for either of those pitchers

oozyalbies1
7 years ago

“The team gets a versatile, well-regarded veteran who’s coming off such a strong enough year that he might have received double that guaranteed money in a more hospitable free agent market. ”

*Eye roll*

In which reality would Jed Lowrie, 35, have been worth $20mil per year? Or is the assertion that 10-20 years ago someone would have given him more years, figuring he was on steroids and would hold up?

Can’t wait to jump into paragraph 2!

BenZobrist4MVP
7 years ago
Reply to  oozyalbies1

With admittedly a stronger track record, Ben Zobrist got almost 3 times as much ($56 million) going into his age 35 season. He was coming off a 3-WAR season, while Lowrie is coming off a 5-WAR season.

oozyalbies1
7 years ago
Reply to  BenZobrist4MVP

Yes, fair, but we shouldn’t gloss over how much stronger Zobrist’s track record was. His Career fWAR prior to signing was 35.9 compared to Lowrie’s 20.0.

Excluding his 2015, which was the first season in which he’d missed any notable time due to injury (3.0 fWAR in 126 games), he’d put up fWARs between 3.8-8.6 every season he’d been a regular and averaged close to 5.6 fWAR in those six seasons. Lowrie has only exceeded the lowest of those numbers (3.8) once in his career, and it was last year. When he was 34.

Lowrie is two years removed from putting up negative fWAR. These past two years not withstanding, he has been hurt. A lot. He doesn’t offer the same versatility in that he can’t play the OF. He strikes out more than Zobrist did, walks less and is a worse baserunner. He’s been a far worse defender for his career, and I think you can reasonably question whether or not his 2018 defensive numbers are an outlier.

If Lowrie had put up a 29-31 y/o breakout, I think he would’ve gotten more. It’s harder to buy the sustainability on a 34 y/o.

Similar to the attempted Grandal > Martin comp, while I can see where people would connect the dots on the surface, I think we may be over-simplifying in search of confirmation bias.

Yes, they’re about the same age. Yes, they’ll fulfill a similar role. Yes, if you isolate the preceding 1-2 years of the contract, and squint, you’ll see pretty similar performance. But you’ll be overlooking the entire picture.

ScottyBMember since 2017
7 years ago

1. Teams need depth.
2. The Mets had no quality depth last year. The # of plate appearances they gave to replacement level talent was outrageously high
3. Mets players who played the infield last year:
Gonzalez, Flores, Frazier, Rosario, Cabrera, Reyes (!), Smith, Guillorme, McNeil, Evans, Bautista (!), Reinheimer, Kelly
4. Likely Mets players to play infield this year:
Cano, Alonzo, Rosario, Frazier, McNeil, Lowrie, JDavis
5. The list in #4 is WAY better than #3
6. Same deal in the outfield
7. 2018 Mets outfielders
Nimmo, Conforto, Lagares, Cespedes, Bautista, Kelly, Jackson, Bruce, DenDekker, Kazmarski, Reinheimer
8. Likely Mets OF this year
Nimmo, Conforto, Broxton, Lagares, Cespedes?, minor league contracts: Blanco, RDavis
9. Looks like fewer, better options to me
10. The degree of LOLMets in analyzing this situation seems out of place. 1-9 is a significant improvement!
(11. I swear this is the last one! 2018 Catchers: D’Arnaud, Plawecki, Mesoroco, Nido, Lobaton. 2019 Catchers: Ramos, d’Arnaud, Nido)

hookworm86
7 years ago
Reply to  ScottyB

Excellent points! I’ll only add that calling last year’s bench replacement level players is generous. Last year the Mets gave over 1,000 PAs to SUB-replacement players. That’s how bad their depth was!

LenFuegoMember since 2025
7 years ago

They can just play a shift with three second basemen – problem solved!

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
7 years ago

Is this where they trade Rosario, McNeil, and Nimmo for, I don’t know, Bumgarner or something? Then we can all get back to the comfortable LOLMets world we’re familiar with.

hebrewMember since 2016
7 years ago

I like how all of this analysis occurs in a world where no one ever gets hurt, Cano is not a risk to get suspended, and everyone will play to exactly their performance from last year and what their projections say.

This deal is a spectacular one for the Mets, because it solves all of the what-ifs:

What if Cano gets suspended again?
What if Alonso can’t hit MLB pitching?
What if McNeil’s second half was SSS, and he’s not that good?
What if Frazier continues to decline, like he started last year?

Sure, if every infielder the Mets have plays 162 games and does so at a 1+ WAR level, it’s going to be hard to find playing time for all these guys.

But on what planet will that be true?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago

I didn’t have any idea where they were going to play JD Davis before, and now I have no idea where all these guys are going. It’s a great deal in a vacuum for them–Lowrie is potentially their second-best infielder after Cano–but Lowrie, McNeil, Cano, and Frazier all deserve to play every day, and Alonso might be their best option at first base. Guillorme and Davis are interesting too, and they probably need to keep Guillorme as a backup at short, but it’s kind of weird to have him just backing up shortstop when he could do more.

I don’t think the Mets are going to regret this move unless there’s a clash of egos over playing time (which is an actual possibility), and Lowrie definitely makes the team better so I don’t dislike it but…I just don’t have any idea why this made more sense than trying to sign Andrew Miller. Is McNeil on the move? Going to play center field?

hebrewMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The Mets are hedging their bets here – there’s a decent chance that Frazier is just toast, and that last year was the beginning of his fall. There’s also a decent chance that Alonso turns into Dom Smith 2.0 as a hyped AAA guy who comes to the Majors just to remind you that he doesn’t belong.

Lowrie hedges against both of those issues, and that’s before you even consider that McNeil has only proven to be a good player for one half of one season and was a 26 year old rookie, and that there’s always the chance Cano gets wacked with another suspension.

Mookie Wilson
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I’d rather have Luis Avilan for league minimum than Andrew Miller for eleventy billion dollars.

Trotter76Member since 2018
7 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Let’s not forget that money and a roster spot on the 40-man just opened with DWright coming to terms with the Mets to move to the front office, about 3 weeks after Andrew Miller signed with the Cardinals. They still could have put those resources to a different pitcher, so your point still stands to a certain degree, but you should put out a name that was actually available after Wrights situation was resolved.

oozyalbies1
7 years ago

You could reasonably, with everyone healthy, see the Mets roll out this defensive alignment.

C – Ramos
1B – Alonso
2B – Cano
3B – Frazier
SS – Lowrie
RF – Nimmo
CF – Conforto
LF – McNeil

*Kanye West voice* – The New York Mets do not care about defense.

hebrewMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  oozyalbies1

Nimmo’d play CF over Conforto, I’d think

oozyalbies1
7 years ago
Reply to  hebrew

I’d think so too, but Conforto actually played their a bit more in 2018 (58 to 44 appearances), although some of that may have been in April prior to Nimmo being recalled. Neither should be out there regardless.

David Klein
7 years ago
Reply to  oozyalbies1

Nimmo spent like 3-4 days in the minors, he was pretty much on the team all year. The Mets made moved Conforto back to a corner OF spot I believe in June or July.

ScottyBMember since 2017
7 years ago

Listen, it may not work out, but I really like the first off-season of BVW. He has:
1. Gotten the Wilpons to actually spend some $
2. Shored up the bullpen- Diaz, Familia, to go with Lugo, Gsellman (and then a bunch of basically free veteran AAAA depth on minor-league deals for for the 6-9 starter slots and bullpen depth)
3. Got a middle-of-the-order bat- Cano
4. Got a catcher- Ramos
5. Couldn’t get a slam-dunk CF, but got options- Broxton to go with Lagares, and then Blanco and RDavis on minor-league deals
6. Got infield depth- JDavis, Lowrie, to go with McNeil (see my other post about all the sub-replacement IF the mets fielded last year)
7. Dumped the contracts of Swarzak and Bruce
… and all it cost was a non-insane amount of $, a maybe decent middle reliever (Rhame), 2 good prospects who are 3+ years from the bigs, Plawecki, and a bunch of middling 20 year old prospects.

In an organization with good talent in the upper minors, a GM could have relied on that for major-league depth. But, that’s not the organization BVW inherited. I think, in all, he did a good job this off-season.
I still think they are behind the Nats, but should be in the mix this season for a WC. We’ll see.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
7 years ago
Reply to  ScottyB

Thing is, I like the Lowrie deal. I just don’t understand it. Which is fine, and it’s pretty clear BVW has made a lot of moves that look good now.

Mookie Wilson
7 years ago
Reply to  ScottyB

The Mets spent 200 million over the last two off seasons and signed the largest contract in MLB in 2017. Spending money was not the issue in ’18… they just spent it on some dumb stuff.

The payroll is currently on track to be lower than it was on Opening Day last year so I don’t get where Point #1 comes from.

Ryan DCMember since 2016
7 years ago

van Wagenen is collecting his former clients like Infinity Stones so eventually he can snap his fingers and half of the MLB disappears, which should help clear up the infield logjam.

jcutigerMember since 2020
7 years ago

Does any writer at FG like the Mets? Always a punching bag for these guys. McNeil’s exit velocity doesn’t support his .359 BABIP. So it’s entirely possible that McNeil doesn’t repeat any close to his small sized breakout. Alsono isn’t a sure thing and Frazier frankly sucks – and I’m going to say anything about Dom Smith. McNeil can and will play in the OF some as well as around the IF. Injuries have wrecked the Mets in recent season b/c we’ve had to give way to ABs to players like Jose Reyes, Luis Guillorme and Adrian Gonzalez. The Dodgers have been quite successful fielding a team of players that can play multiple position, the Mets’ roster is much better at this point than they were at any point last year.

psychobunny
7 years ago

It’s the Mets. Lowrie probably ends up the regular starting shortstop, with Cano & Frazier remaining at 2B & 3B.

sturockMember since 2016
7 years ago

They’re going to make more moves.

EonADSMember since 2024
7 years ago

I really feel like trading Frazier is a must for this. He’s actually a really competent defender at 3B, but I’d be quite leery of putting him at first, because I’m not sure his bat would play. His BABIP over the last three seasons has cratered and his power isn’t as valuable with such a low grade of secondary hitting; his wRC+ is only just above the league average over the same span, and the 2017 BB% looks like an outlier compared to his career numbers. I have no idea how he’d fare defensively in the outfield at this point either; while he’s looked positive overall in a small sample, all of the positives came in eighteen innings in 2011 and he hasn’t played out there for five full seasons since becoming a 3B full time. He probably becomes the most expendable player in the Mets current scenario.

hebrewMember since 2016
7 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

while i don’t disagree with you, i think it’s important to point out that, starting pretty recently, 3b have been better hitters than 1b.

EonADSMember since 2024
7 years ago
Reply to  hebrew

As true as that might be, it’s the exact opposite of a trend you’d want to contribute to.

tomgallagher
7 years ago

You question if Jeff McNeil can handle 3rd. He’s played 161 games there throughout his pro career.

SteveB91
7 years ago

Any other team makes this signing and it’s met with praise. Mets has TERRIBLE depth last year with sub replacement players like Jose Reyes, Austin Jackson, Luis Guillorme, Adrian Gonzalez etc all getting serious PAs.

Frazier will move to a bench piece at this point in his career (he didn’t exactly light the world on fire in ‘18), and also be Alonso insurance in case he comes up and struggles. McNeil will get playing time in the OF. He didn’t play a ton there in the minors but many scouts say he’s adequate there. Broxton and Lagares will be part time players, as they probably should be on a contender.

Injuries will come up and the Mets won’t have to turn to scrubs to fill those spots. Basically, if you hit you’ll play. Just like how the Dodgers and Cubs operate.

trevise-en
7 years ago

All I see is a lot of misery coming the “Mets Pets” way. It all seems rather dysfunctional which has been their ‘MO’ for awhile.

NATS FanMember since 2018
7 years ago

I have to think that Frazier is on his way out.

SenorGato
7 years ago

Remember when the Cubs supposedly had too many good SSs?

Mets earned a tiny tiny bit of respect for banking on their actual best shots at homegrown stars (Synergaard, Rosario, Nimmo, Conforto, leave the door open for d’Arnaud as a late bloomer, Alonso) and not Jeff McNeil.

John Autin
7 years ago

It’s certainly fair to wonder just how all these infielders will shake out into actual lineups.

But their depth charts pre-Lowrie definitely should not have kept them from committing just $20 million over the next 2 years for a guy who ranked top-30 in both WAR measures over the last 2 years.

This Mets fan cares not a whit about the $9 million owed to Frazier, who looked terrible most of last year (.274 OBP/.648 OPS after April).

I’m indifferent to J.D. Davis; I can’t help wondering if the Cano deal would have been seen as necessary had Lowrie been signed beforehand; and I do wish the expanded options included a reasonable SS alternative.

But I’m not crying about any of that. Even if these moves don’t add up to the most efficient use of resources, they do bring enough talent to craft a contending lineup, and that works for me.

RealCarlAllen
7 years ago

When you’re a team like the Mets who have some money to spend, if you can get a 2 WAR guy with upside (Lowrie) who plays important positions (2B/3B), and you can confidently pencil in to the top half of your lineup for 2yr/20M, that’s a good signing.

“But we might have to bench a (regressing) Frazier or a (regressing) Cano to find him playing time.” Oh no!

Like Zobrist, he’s a luxury that good and big market teams can afford.