2018 Trade Value: #31 to #40

As is the annual tradition at FanGraphs, we’re using the week of the All-Star Game — while the industry pauses to take a metaphorical breather — to take stock of the top-50 trade assets in the sport. For more context on exactly what we’re trying to do here, see the honorable-mentions post linked at the top of the page.
For this post and the others in this series, I’ve presented a graphic (by way of the wizard Sean Dolinar) breaking down each player’s objective skill level (represented, in this case, by a five-year WAR projection from ZiPS), contract/team-control details, rank in last year’s series, and then year-by-year details of age/WAR/contract through 2023, although a couple players have control beyond those five years. For those readers who are partial to spreadsheets rather than blocks of text, I’ve also included all the players we’ve ranked so far are in grid format at the bottom of the post.
The ZiPS WAR forecasts did influence the rankings a bit: for players who were bunched together, it acted as an impartial tiebreaker of sorts, but the industry opinions I solicited drove the rankings.
With that said, let’s get to the next 10 spots on the Trade Value list this year.
| Five-Year WAR | +14.5 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | – |
| Team Control Through | 2024 |
| Previous Rank | – |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2019 | 23 | +2.8 | Pre-Arb |
| 2020 | 24 | +3.0 | Pre-Arb |
| 2021 | 25 | +3.0 | Arb1 |
| 2022 | 26 | +2.8 | Arb2 |
| 2023 | 27 | +2.9 | Arb3 |
I feel like I’m supposed to kick this off with a Ferris Bueller reference, but I couldn’t come up with anything fitting. Walker is one of the rare prospects who gets the coveted “has a chance to become be an ace” label that’s only true of a handful of pitchers on Earth at a given time. For all the (rightful) handwringing about how scouts don’t truly understand upside when guys like Joses Altuve or Ramirez can emerge as the best hitters in the game after never appearing on a top-100 list, the group of aces who weren’t at some point described as a potential ace is basically just Cliff Lee, and he was touted in the minors.
The concerns with Buehler are a slight frame and a Tommy John surgery in his past, but both apply to Jacob deGrom, too, so it’s hardly a disqualifier. The list of pitchers who flash two 7 pitches and exhibit starter traits is insanely short, and while Buehler is short on MLB performance right now, he also has the rest of this season then the full six after that of control — double the control of some comparable arms who have been mid-rotation guys for a couple years. It’s difficult to compare Buehler to vets like Posey, Rizzo, and Scherzer — or a prospect like Tatis Jr. — since none of these guys are getting traded for each other (or really at all), but this felt like the right area for this cluster of disparate types, even if Buehler has to manage his innings this year with the occasional day off.
| Five-Year WAR | +14.5 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | – |
| Team Control Through | 2025 |
| Previous Rank | – |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2019 | 20 | +1.2 | Pre-Arb |
| 2020 | 21 | +2.1 | Pre-Arb |
| 2021 | 22 | +3.4 | Pre-Arb |
| 2022 | 23 | +4.0 | Arb1 |
| 2023 | 24 | +4.6 | Arb2 |
Tatis was another tough ranking: he’s exactly the sort of player a rebuilding team covets, while a big-market contender would have affordable options who can outproduce Tatis for the next couple years. If I were to publish a trade-value list for each club, Tatis would range from something like 15th to 75th. He ranks ahead of Buehler since they’re comparable explosive talents but Tatis is a hitter whose only real flaw is likely to involve contact. That’s a nitpick, though, since he’s a 19-year-old in Double-A who might hit 30 homers playing shortstop. It also doesn’t hurt that he looked great in the Futures Game.
Buehler and Tatis end up ahead of Posey and Scherzer here. That’s due, in part, to the veterans’ age but also the implications of their contracts to the competitive-balance tax, since even clubs with the capacity to spend are letting that dictate decisions. It’s also even harder to take on big money in the middle of the season. The market is simply more robust for Buehler and Tatis than those two, but an irrational bidder could blow that perception up, and the vets are more likely to draw an irrational bidder. Anyway, you see how these four ended up next to each other, despite their differences.
I would also submit that some of the risk-aversion I mentioned in the introduction applies here. If Tatis comes up tomorrow and has a hot six-week stretch, showing sustained glimpses of the five-win monster whom many scouts and execs already expect, he would probably jump into the top 20. I originally had him ranked higher than this, but after sending the list around for thoughts, this feels like a more accurate representation of where he stands at the moment, with strong arguments out there both for raising and lowering Tatis.
| Five-Year WAR | +19.4 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | $13.0 M |
| Team Control Through | 2021 |
| Previous Rank | #8 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2019 | 28 | +4.6 | $11.0 M |
| 2020 | 29 | +4.4 | $14.5 M |
| 2021 | 30 | +4.0 | $14.5 M |
Rizzo is having a down year, but his underlying indicators suggest it’s mostly bad luck driving his poor first half. More than a few sources expect him to be a three- to four-win player going forward (with ZiPS taking the over), he’s still in his 20s, and players with excellent plate discipline tend to age more gracefully than free-swingers. Rizzo slides ahead of the four previously mentioned disparate types since he’s a solid bet to be an easily above-average regular for the 3.5 years remaining on his affordable deal. If last winter’s free-agent market is any indication, a first baseman doesn’t figure to inspire the most intense bidding, but essentially every team would want this player, without reservation.
| Five-Year WAR | +22.5 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | $28.0 M |
| Team Control Through | 2020 |
| Previous Rank | – |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2019 | 28 | +4.9 | $13.0 M |
| 2020 | 29 | +4.7 | $15.0 M |
Dave Cameron has mentioned in the past, and I’ve also found in my research, that clubs aren’t bullish on paying for defense. Defense peaks earlier than offense, as it’s tied more closely to athleticism than hitting, and there are more than a few clubs that seem to be hesitant to pay for things they can’t completely wrap their arms around. In a ranking of assets using just a cold, calculating algorithm that uses UZR-infused WAR, Simmons would be a little higher. That said, Simmons is on pace for his second consecutive career year in Los Angeles of Anaheim and he has an affordable 2.5 years left on his deal, making him one of the better short-term assets in the game.
| Five-Year WAR | +23.4 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | $146.5 M |
| Team Control Through | 2024 |
| Previous Rank | #24 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2019 | 28 | +5.3 | $16.5 M |
| 2020 | 29 | +4.8 | $26.0 M |
| 2021 | 30 | +4.9 | $26.0 M |
| 2022 | 31 | +4.5 | $26.0 M |
| 2023 | 32 | +3.9 | $26.0 M |
Like Simmons, Altuve is a very good player right now. He also has even more offensive value and a longer track record of elite-level play, so he’s more attractive type of player to a wider swath of clubs. Simmons is under control for 2.5 years at a price that would appeal to any club, while Altuve is under control for 6.5 years at prices that are prohibitive for a collection of teams.
The complicating factor is that Altuve is a unique player, so traditional aging curves don’t really apply. This means the multiple years at $26 million on the end of the deal could still deliver more than the cost, but there’s no options at the end, so a receiving club wouldn’t have much flexibility if their assessment is wrong. At some point, though, elite players aren’t easy to find. Once they’ve maintained a certain level, they’re going to make something around a market rate. Altuve at least offers cost certainty and is in the middle of this third straight six- to seven-win season at age 28. Those factors combine to slide him ahead of the veterans we just discussed above.
| Five-Year WAR | +16.2 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | – |
| Team Control Through | 2022 |
| Previous Rank | – |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2019 | 25 | +3.2 | Pre-Arb |
| 2020 | 26 | +3.4 | Arb1 |
| 2021 | 27 | +3.4 | Arb2 |
| 2022 | 28 | +3.1 | Arb3 |
Now we’re moving into the part of the list with consensus elite young players who still offer multiple years of control. Most teams will have all of these players in a tier around here, but anyone could quibble with the specific placement. Snell heads to the back of this group since he’s only just now in the middle of his breakout year, so there isn’t a long track record of success. That said, he was a touted young arm whom many thought would do this one day, so clubs are more apt to buy one season as proof of concept.
Snell is a 25-year-old lefty with no major injury history who still has one-and-a-half years at the league minimum and sits in the mid-90s, so there’s a lot to like. His capacity to perform and stay healthy are the only real questions you can ask here, but check some of the recent incarnations of this list to curb your enthusiasm: the young pitchers with shorter track records tend to bounce all over the place year-to-year on this list as their control dwindles and the odometer keeps adding mileage.
| Five-Year WAR | +16.1 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | – |
| Team Control Through | 2023 |
| Previous Rank | – |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2019 | 25 | +3.2 | Pre-Arb |
| 2020 | 26 | +3.4 | Pre-Arb |
| 2021 | 27 | +3.3 | Arb1 |
| 2022 | 28 | +3.2 | Arb2 |
| 2023 | 29 | +3.0 | Arb3 |
Hoskins burst onto the scene last year as a power bat who didn’t get much attention until Double-A, in large part because he was a right/right first baseman who went in the fifth round of a mid-major college. The plate discipline and approach were much better than almost anyone realized, but the factors that compelled Hoskins to fly under the radar for much of his career (position, handedness, late-blooming traits) are also the factors that prevent him from appearing higher on this list. The Phillies get Hoskins at discount rates for ages 24 through 30, which is exactly what years the clubs would pick if you let them.
Hoskins fits best at first base, which isn’t really an option given how Philly constructed their roster. He doesn’t really have the five-plus-win upside that you would want if you’re paying a retail rate for a guy ranked in this area. A solid 2.5- to 4.0-WAR player with 5.5 years of control mostly in his prime isn’t easy to find, though.
| Five-Year WAR | +14.3 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | – |
| Team Control Through | 2022 |
| Previous Rank | – |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2019 | 27 | +3.2 | Pre-Arb |
| 2020 | 28 | +3.0 | Arb1 |
| 2021 | 29 | +2.9 | Arb2 |
| 2022 | 30 | +2.8 | Arb3 |
The trade that sent Haniger and Jean Segura from Arizona to Seattle has quietly become perhaps the second-most lopsided trade since that other deal the D-Backs made. Haniger has also quietly become a really good player who, like Rhys Hoskins, wasn’t really on the industry’s radar as a potential impact player until 2016, when he demolished Double-A and Triple-A. He edges out Hoskins despite offering one fewer year of control because Haniger is a slightly better athlete and hitter with comparable game power who can play a passable center field, even if he fits best in right field.
| Five-Year WAR | +18.6 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | $61.7 M |
| Team Control Through | 2025 |
| Previous Rank | – |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2019 | 26 | +4.2 | $7.0 M |
| 2020 | 27 | +3.9 | $9.2 M |
| 2021 | 28 | +3.6 | $10.5 M |
| 2022 | 29 | +3.6 | $11.0 M |
| 2023 | 30 | +3.3 | $11.0 M |
The trifecta of underappreciated players wraps up with Suarez, who had his breakout in 2017 then signed an extension in March of this year that locks him up through 2024 and offers an option for 2025. Given that Suarez hadn’t had a payday and is about to turn 27, it was time to cash in. Suarez got $66 million guaranteed, and the Reds pay what will be a below-market rate for his age-26 through age-33 seasons with the most defensive value and team control of these three relatively similar players.
| Five-Year WAR | +12.9 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | – |
| Team Control Through | 2022 |
| Previous Rank | #12 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2019 | 25 | +2.5 | Pre-Arb |
| 2020 | 26 | +2.7 | Arb1 |
| 2021 | 27 | +2.7 | Arb2 |
| 2022 | 28 | +2.6 | Arb3 |
Unlike these last three players, Sanchez was about as hyped as he could be, about as early as is possible for a young prospect. He and Miguel Sano were the two top players in their July 2nd signing class, and Sanchez showed 70 raw power and 70 arm strength freakishly early in his development, standing out well before he signed at age 16 for $3 million. Sanchez stagnated a bit in the minors, then everything clicked in the upper minors in 2015, setting the stage for a loud MLB debut in 2016. A large part of the stagnation period was Sanchez learning the intricacies of catching, both mechanically and mentally. There’s been more than a little chatter that some don’t like various parts of Sanchez’s defensive game, while he also has had a slow offensive start and a groin injury.
There’s some thought that Sanchez may not age as gracefully as a more athletic and defensive-focused catcher like Buster Posey has, and Sanchez can’t play anywhere other than first base. So we have rare skillset at a premium position combined with pedigree and performance, but also a profile that is somewhat volatile given the recent history. Still, every team would take him and there are only four catchers on this list, so the picky evaluations I cite here might take a back seat to positional scarcity — if Sanchez were ever actually available.
| Rk | Pv | Player | Age | 2019 | 2020 | 2021 | 2022 | 2023 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 31 | 12 | Gary Sanchez | 25 | +2.5 Pre-Arb |
+2.7 Arb1 |
+2.7 Arb2 |
+2.6 Arb3 |
|
| 32 | – | Eugenio Suarez | 26 | +4.2 $7.0 M |
+3.9 $9.2 M |
+3.6 $10.5 M |
+3.6 $11.0 M |
+3.3 $11.0 M |
| 33 | – | Mitch Haniger | 26 | +3.2 Pre-Arb |
+3.0 Arb1 |
+2.9 Arb2 |
+2.8 Arb3 |
|
| 34 | – | Rhys Hoskins | 24 | +3.2 Pre-Arb |
+3.4 Pre-Arb |
+3.3 Arb1 |
+3.2 Arb2 |
+3.0 Arb3 |
| 35 | – | Blake Snell | 24 | +3.2 Pre-Arb |
+3.4 Arb1 |
+3.4 Arb2 |
+3.1 Arb3 |
|
| 36 | 24 | Jose Altuve | 28 | +5.3 $16.5 M |
+4.8 $26.0 M |
+4.9 $26.0 M |
+4.5 $26.0 M |
+3.9 $26.0 M |
| 37 | – | Andrelton Simmons | 27 | +4.9 $13.0 M |
+4.7 $15.0 M |
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| 38 | 8 | Anthony Rizzo | 28 | +4.6 $11.0 M |
+4.4 $14.5 M |
+4.0 $14.5 M |
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| 39 | – | Fernando Tatis, Jr. | 19 | +1.2 Pre-Arb |
+2.1 Pre-Arb |
+3.4 Pre-Arb |
+4.0 Arb1 |
+4.6 Arb2 |
| 40 | – | Walker Buehler | 23 | +2.8 Pre-Arb |
+3.0 Pre-Arb |
+3.0 Arb1 |
+2.8 Arb2 |
+2.9 Arb3 |
| 41 | 33 | Max Scherzer | 32 | +6.5 $35.0 M |
+5.6 $35.0 M |
+5.2 $35.0 M |
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| 42 | 17 | Buster Posey | 30 | +4.9 $21.4 M |
+4.3 $21.4 M |
+3.6 $21.4 M |
+3.1 $22.0 M |
|
| 43 | HM | Odubel Herrera | 25 | +3.0 $5.0 M |
+2.8 $7.0 M |
+2.7 $10.0 M |
+2.7 $11.5 M |
+2.7 $12.5 M |
| 44 | – | Victor Robles | 21 | +2.5 Pre-Arb |
+2.8 Pre-Arb |
+3.1 Pre-Arb |
+3.1 Arb1 |
+3.2 Arb2 |
| 45 | HM | Rafael Devers | 20 | +2.5 Pre-Arb |
+3.2 Pre-Arb |
+3.8 Arb1 |
+3.9 Arb2 |
+3.8 Arb3 |
| 46 | – | Jose Berrios | 23 | +2.8 Pre-Arb |
+2.9 Arb1 |
+3.2 Arb2 |
+2.9 Arb3 |
|
| 47 | – | Trevor Bauer | 26 | +4.2 Arb2 |
+4.2 Arb3 |
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| 48 | 48 | James Paxton | 28 | +4.9 Arb2 |
+4.7 Arb3 |
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| 49 | – | Jean Segura | 27 | +3.0 $14.3 M |
+3.0 $14.3 M |
+2.9 $14.3 M |
+2.7 $14.3 M |
+2.4 $17.0 M |
| 50 | – | Kyle Tucker | 21 | +2.2 Pre-Arb |
+3.0 Pre-Arb |
+3.7 Pre-Arb |
+3.7 Arb1 |
+3.7 Arb2 |
Kiley McDaniel has worked as an executive and scout, most recently for the Atlanta Braves, also for the New York Yankees, Baltimore Orioles and Pittsburgh Pirates. He's written for ESPN, Fox Sports and Baseball Prospectus. Follow him on twitter.
If Tatis comes up tomorrow and has a hot six-week stretch, showing sustained glimpses of the five-win monster whom many scouts and execs already expect, he would probably jump into the top 20.
So Juan Soto is top 20. That’s kind of “wow”.
Totally makes sense though. He’s blazed through the minors (albeit it on small sample size) and has proven that he deserves a starting job, at least to see what you actually have in him before Harper possibly leaves town. There’s not much out there that the Nats would take in a trade straight up for him.
It’s a near certainty, considering that Mitch Haniger is sitting at 33. Have you looked at Soto’s projections lately? He’s a top-20 bat today.
Yeah I was thinking this. Thinking Soto might be top 10.
Juan Soto is super-cheap, has lots of team control, and has a surprisingly good chance of entering the Hall of Fame. That sounds absurd, but it’s true, and that puts him in only a slightly worse spot than Aaron Judge was in last year. And he was ranked what, #6? I’d put Soto in the Top 10, and if not, he’s close.
If Juan Soto is top 20, Gleyber Torres has to be top 20. That’s kind of nuts.
Some guys just have something special to their game, a “feel” for baseball that tells you they’re going to be good (or better) for a long time. You can’t know precisely where they will settle, but to me these are the most special youngsters, because you can bet money on them working out to some degree.
As I Red Sox fan, I locked in on Bogaerts (“he’s going to hit and if he does that while sticking at SS, that’s a good player”), Devers (“he has natural power but also can consistently barrel up the ball, so he looks like a classic guy who can approach hitting .300 while hitting 30+ homers in his prime”), and most of all Benintendi, who almost has yet to fail at even snapshots of his development. We’ve heard similar things for a few years about, for example, Gleyber Torres. They’re not just high-quality baseball athletes, but also “get” something about the mechanics of the sport that others have to train harder to achieve, if they’re ever able to at all.
With Soto, the Devers-like future seemed clear, and to me the question when he was called up was really “does he have that Manny Ramirez-like hitter savant trait?” that goes to an even higher tier. Well, it looks like he does. With Devers, I’m very confident he’ll deserve to bat 3rd-5th for a long time. But with Soto, it looks like he’s got multiple bat-based MVP runs in his future.
No Braves on the list yet. I’m assuming Freddie, Ozzie and Acuña will be here somewhere.
FYI – The Fernando Tatis Jr banner is currently linked to Kyle Tucker’s page.
Nice article, can’t wait for more!
Only 6 out of the 20 so far revealed were on the list last year.
I’m not sure what that tells us. To take many of these with a grain of salt because value has a way of evaporating? Or that people down near the bottom are in the process of being worked up or out?
Perhaps it best serves as a cautionary tale to both real and armchair GMs: Value is a volatile thing, so exercise caution before you count on it.
Also it says that there’s not an enormous difference between guys ranked 31-50, and honorable mentions at 51+. That one spent year of cost controlled performance becomes a big big deal.
It’s probably just like prospect lists in that way: 40 is probably a lot closer to 75 than it is to 25.
Well, *trade* value should certainly be “evaporating” over time if a big component of that value hinges on (affordable) team control, no? … unless, of course, that team control gets extended (affordably) in some cases…
I love having Kiley’s perspective on the list since many are prospects/young players.
Side note, you mention Suarez is about to turn 27. I think that should say 25.
Suarez is 27 tomorrow
In that case, 2019 will not be his age 26 season…
The ages seem as though they were determined by guessing.
Alas, I expect that’s the last Sano reference in this list…..
Kiley, you are doing an outstanding job. I love the insights you can bring with your industry connections and interesting prose.
In 2010, James Shields was 39th in the Trade Value series, so the White Sox made a good trade, right? https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2010-trade-value-40-36/
The White Sox traded for him in 2016. You also shouldn’t expect anyone on this list to have the same trade value 6 years from now.
Yes. Either the joke was bad or it went over people’s heads. The trade was bad, we know that at least.
Always love this series (remember when Allen Craig was on it?), Not a quibble, but just funny in the Buehler comment you mention the list of the of aces (few real ones at any given time) who weren’t touted as potential aces coming up is basically Cliff Lee, but then you mention Jacob deGrom. I don’t think he was ever in a top 100. But yes, rarer, and I love the late bloomer stories, Haniger, Suarez. Looks like Brandon Lowe may hit his way there down the line. Guys that get some sleeper love then figure out another gear.
I was also curious about Kluber, was he ever regarded as a potential ace?
He was by the work from home scout, Carson Cistulli, which is all that matters!
Good call. Yeah, Kluber was never highly rated as a prospect. Carson liked him. he did a podcast with John Sickels (who gave him a C+ innings eater sleeper tag) and mentioned him when he was still in minors.
This is a slightly different yardstick, but a few years ago I looked to see when “aces” were drafted. A lot of them were drafted in the 1st round (Scherzer, Kerhsaw, Bumgarner, David Price). Strasburg, of course, was the most hyped pitching prospect since forever. But at the time, Chris Archer and Dallas Keuchel were considered aces, and they were drafted a little later. Kluber was drafted later. deGrom was drafted later. Jake Arrieta was a 5th rounder. So maybe someone decided they were an ace when they were in high-A and that was Kiley’s rationale for leaving them out, but there are plenty of aces who were not drafted highly (and so at one point, was considered a sleeper).
deGrom was never even considered a back of the rotation fill-in. I have seen several mentions by scouts that he was one of the worst misses ever by the entire industry.
Mentioning one sided trades in the Haniger snippet, how about Suarez? Detroit traded him AND a 2013 1st rd pick (Jonathan Crawford, who ended up needing TJ & never recovered, but, at the time of the trade, he had value) for 35 yr old, 280 lb Alfredo Sauce….er, Simon.
To this day, Suarez has still made about $2 million less in salary than Simon got for posting a -0.5 bWAR for Detroit in 2015 & not being offered a contract that off season.
Oof.
Or if you want to keep the Seattle connection: Chris Taylor for Zach Lee (who has now, sadly, retired from baseball)
Seattle holds the distinction for the worst trade ever when, at the trade deadline in 1997, The Mariners gave the Red Sox 3 World Championships by sending them Derek Lowe and Jason Varitek for Heathcliff Slocumb.
Or the opposite. The Red Sox gave away MVP and Hall of Famer, Jeff Bagwell, for ONE MONTH and 22 innings from an above average relief pitcher named Larry Andersen.
Or to continue the chain, the same Astros that stole Bagwell from the Red Sox went and gave away future (Should Be) Hall of Famer Kenny Lofton for the illustrious Eddie Taubensee.
Zach Lee is currently pitching in the Rays system. I think he is in AAA, although he has spent time both in AA and AAA this year, and was moved up and down at one point.
“The trade that sent Haniger and Jean Segura from Arizona to Seattle has quietly become perhaps the second-most lopsided trade since that other deal the D-Backs made.”
I assume the first-most lopsided trade was the JD Martinez trade last year?
Swanson, Inciarte, ABlair/ SMiller, GSpeier (2015)
Or was the reference the Scherzer/granderson/a-Jax/Ian Kennedy/-e-Jax trade? AZ definitely got worst of that.
Thanks for the update! I do not remember this trade, so it’s nice to have something new to research about a team I’m not so familiar with
Not sure exactly why I got so many negative votes here….. from Fangraphs coverage of the Martinez trade last year:
“when we see trades like this, where pretty much everyone in the public sphere agrees that one team got the better end of the deal, we can either choose to believe that a major-league organization made a very public mistake in valuing the players involved in the deal, or we can try to figure out why an apparently lopsided deal happened in the first place.”
Seemed like a reasonable candidate to me for a lopsided trade involving the D-Backs, and the only one that came to mind quickly.
Anyways, thanks for the update!
Gary Sanchez signed with the Yankees in 2009 for $3.0M, not $3.5M.
In regards to the Buehler blurb, would we consider Mark Buehrle an ace at his peak? If so, he fits in too.
And also, Buehler is an anagram of Buehrle, so that’s cool.
Anagram is good, but I don’t think Buehrle was ever an ace. Although 5.9 WAR in 2005 peak, pretty darn good.
Full anagram: Hawk Leer Bluer. Sounds like an avian porn star.
I’d argue that there are two types of real-life (as opposed to “fantasy”) aces: the very high quality guy who can’t go quite so many innings, and the innings-eating horse that isn’t elite quality but is darn good. It’s nice to have at least one of each in a rotation (and guys who are both, such as Max Scherzer once he had his Pokemon evolution to add innings eating to his profile, are the true elites).
By that regard, Buehrle was an ace, albeit at the lower end of the category. Not everyone with a label is the same, and it’s no insult to be on the lower end of such a positive group.
Fair points. Buehrle had a stretch of 4+ WAR 4 years running, and was good for a long time. He had a 5.9 WAR, 2nd in the AL in 2005, for a world series winner. Certainly the ace of that staff.
Strikeouts were much lower then, but I think Kiley is talking more dominant guys, and back in 2005 that may include Santana, Clemens, Carpenter, even Mets version of Pedro. Buehrle perhaps just a step below.
Man 2005 is so long ago, the Astros were in the NL, Buehrle, Freddy Garcia, Jose Contreras and Jon Garland led a World Series staff, none averaging 7 K per 9, only 1 over 6. Although, hey, Brandon McCarthy had 10 starts for those Chisox.
I am surprised to see Sanchez’s projected WAR figures so low. Consider this year, in which he has struggled, he posted 1.2 WAR in 63 games. Seems like a player should easily post 3-4 WAR through his mid to late twenties.
I don’t think anything about Sanchez appears easy so his projections are probably about right. He is very volatile.
Couldn’t think of a Ferris Bueller reference for Walker Buehler? Not even “they all think he’s a righteous dude,” whomever “they” may be? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEGMse-VCgs
Read the last 2 words of Buehler’s write-up again.
“Still, every team would take him and there are only four catchers on this list, so the picky evaluations I cite here might take a back seat to positional scarcity — if Sanchez were ever actually available.”
Who’s the 4th catcher on list besides Contreras, Sanchez, and Posey? Realmuto or did I miss someone?
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The Realmuto ask was either Robles or Soto. Now Soto’s value has gone up in the past couple of months, and Robles has gone down. so that means we’re probably seeing Realmuto tomorrow between 21 and 30.
Man, I know Altuve’s contract is significant now, but I think he has got to be higher on this list. For $155M over the next 6.5 years that’s ~$24M per year for ages 28-34 of a guy on his third straight ~7 win season and 5th straight ~5 win season. That’s alot but it will pale in comparison to these upcoming Machado/Harper/Trout contracts and you’re not even on the hook for age 35 season. To be specific, I have trouble believing that any GM (except maybe Reds, Rays, or Pirates) in a vacuum would prefer Suarez contract over Altuve’s contract who is only 14 months older and has 20 more career WAR.
On a much more trivial note, Altuve is listed as having higher projected WAR in 2021 than in 2020. I’ll assume that’s a typo and not a result of the traditional aging curve not applying. 🙂
Nitpicks aside, I love the series.
So who will end up being #1 then? I assume the top 3 will be some combination of Trout, Betts, and Sev.
Trout should be more towards 5-10 range now probably given he’s due for FA fairly soon. Severino is a pitcher and that’s generally a demerit unless you prove to have a rubber arm.
Ramirez, Betts, Judge seems most likely top 3 to me in terms of team control + production.
I am a dummy, but it is my opinion that the Mitch Haniger ranking is completely nuts.
Shocked Altuve is that low. I’m wondering what other guys already in the “expensive” years are ahead of him?* Trout and Freeman? Anyone else? I’m a Braves fan (and I’m tall), but does being short really hurt Altuve this much? I’m not doubting FG because I understand the methodology, I’m just expressing how very surprised I am.
*expensive is subjective.
Its a combination of things. Mostly too much money for a good percentage of teams. The other teams would be scared of the aging curve second basemen seem to have. Also Altuve is a freak of nature those afyer 30 years are scary there hasnt been anyone like him beforr really. He coyld be a beast and age gracefully because of his skill or go full Roberto Alomar and go from star to unrosterable like almost instantly after 31.
i think you have Rizzo’s age wrong–he turns 29 this august.
I don’t know if the question is stupid but would the Astros trade altuve straight up for Eugenio Suarez or Blake Snell who are ahead of him? Surplus value is good but altuve is a mega star on the right side of 30 and a contract ending at an attractive age (early 30s, so no albatross).
I bet a lot of teams would want a current 6 war superstar from 28-32 for 25m per year rather than paying Machado or Harper 40m until they are 38. Superstars in their prime are hard to get.