2018 Trade Value: #1 to #10

(Photo: Keith Allison)
As is the annual tradition at FanGraphs, we’re using the week of the All-Star Game — while (some of) the industry pauses for a metaphorical breather — to take stock of the top-50 trade assets in the sport. For more context on exactly what we’re trying to do here, see the honorable-mentions post linked at the top of the page.
For this post and the others in this series, I’ve presented a graphic (by way of the wizard Sean Dolinar) breaking down each player’s objective skill level (represented, in this case, by a five-year WAR projection from ZiPS), contract/team-control details, rank in last year’s series, and then year-by-year details of age/WAR/contract through 2023, although a couple players have control beyond those five years. For those readers who are partial to spreadsheets rather than blocks of text, I’ve also included all the players we’ve ranked so far are in grid format at the bottom of the post.
The ZiPS WAR forecasts did influence the rankings a bit: for players who were bunched together, it acted as an impartial tiebreaker of sorts, but the industry opinions I solicited drove the rankings.
With that said, let’s get to the top 10 spots on the Trade Value list this year.
| Five-Year WAR | +26.3 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | – |
| Team Control Through | 2022 |
| Previous Rank | #35 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2019 | 25 | +5.3 | Arb1 |
| 2020 | 26 | +5.5 | Arb2 |
| 2021 | 27 | +5.5 | Arb3 |
| 2022 | 28 | +5.0 | Arb4 |
Severino bests Kluber for the top spot amongst pitchers on this year’s list. He is eight years younger than Kluber with an additional year of control and has been at least as good as the Cleveland right-hander this season, depending on how you measure it. Predictably, though, execs are concerned — as they are with basically any pitcher — that Severino’s next pitch could lead to a year-long DL stint and uncertainty after that. As a 24-year-old who averages 97.7 mph on his fastball, Severino is still a bit of a risky bet compared to comparable hitters. There’s a tier here from Nos. 7 to 13 that you could shuffle in a few different orders depending on your personal preferences or evals of these players.
| Five-Year WAR | +24.3 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | $65.0 M |
| Team Control Through | 2021 |
| Previous Rank | #14 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2019 | 29 | +5.3 | $21.0 M |
| 2020 | 30 | +5.3 | $22.0 M |
| 2021 | 31 | +5.1 | $22.0 M |
Freeman is a pretty safe and steady bet compared to some of the more dynamic and volatile talents ranked around him. He’s essentially been the same six-win player for nearly three seasons now, he just missed time in 2017 with a broken wrist that kept his counting stats from reaching the same levels. He’s got 3.5 years of control remaining at a salary of more than $20 million per season, but that’s still clearly below market and he’s in the middle of his prime.
Freeman figures to age better than the average first baseman given his build, durability, athleticism (evident by his surprisingly good run as a third baseman last season), advanced approach, and ability to make adjustments to his offensive game. You could argue he belongs at the bottom of this tier given his contract status, age, and position, but he comes with fewer questions than his peers and GMs tend to be risk averse when it comes to huge decisions.
| Five-Year WAR | +22.9 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | – |
| Team Control Through | 2022 |
| Previous Rank | #7 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2019 | 26 | +4.6 | Arb1 |
| 2020 | 27 | +4.7 | Arb2 |
| 2021 | 28 | +4.7 | Arb3 |
| 2022 | 29 | +4.5 | Arb4 |
There was a solid debate raging in my inbox over who should rank higher between Turner and the next player in the countdown, Alex Bregman. They both should probably be playing shortstop, they’re nine months apart in age, have the same amount of club control, and come with similar draft pedigree. Amazingly, they’ve also recorded basically the same number of wins in roughly the same amount of major-league plate appearances. The pro-Turner argument is that he has a more well-rounded game and more athleticism, which should help him age a little better. As an aside, a young core of Turner, Victor Robles, and Juan Soto represents quite the place from which to start for a club that may be entering a transitional phase in 2019.
| Five-Year WAR | +24.1 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | – |
| Team Control Through | 2022 |
| Previous Rank | #38 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2019 | 25 | +4.6 | Pre-Arb |
| 2020 | 26 | +4.9 | Arb1 |
| 2021 | 27 | +4.9 | Arb2 |
| 2022 | 28 | +5.0 | Arb3 |
Continuing from above, the pro-Bregman argument is that — in addition to having performed better over the last year or so and also possessing superior durability — he’s a better hitter and, in a more offensively oriented game, the bat becomes a separator. Turner will also be a hair more expensive, as he’s scheduled to enter arbitration a year earlier after earning super-two status. The vote was roughly 50/50 but I lean towards Bregman since I’m partial to the offense and durability argument and, as the slightly cheaper and younger player with slightly better by ZiPS projections, he has most of the tiebreakers in his favor.
| Five-Year WAR | +34.3 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | – |
| Team Control Through | 2020 |
| Previous Rank | #9 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2019 | 26 | +7.2 | Arb2 |
| 2020 | 27 | +7.1 | Arb3 |
Here’s where we arrive at the top tier of value, composed almost exclusively of perennial six-plus-win players with below-market deals. Betts is tied for the least team control in this tier, so he makes the most sense in this slot. What he’s done on the field, though, has almost no equal. He had an insane breakout year in 2016, of course, hitting 31 homers and posting an 8.3 WAR. This year, though, he’s found a new level, having recorded the same strikeout rate as 2016 but doubling his walk rate and adding 116 points of isolated power. Betts’ projected 9.5 WAR would be the best non-Mike Trout WAR figure since Alex Rodriguez posted 9.6 WAR in 2007. Betts could also probably be average or better defensively at six positions, if that’s what you’re into.
| Five-Year WAR | +31.8 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | – |
| Team Control Through | 2021 |
| Previous Rank | #1 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2019 | 24 | +5.9 | Arb1 |
| 2020 | 25 | +6.3 | Arb2 |
| 2021 | 26 | +6.6 | Arb3 |
Correa has been on the DL with a back issue for about a month and he missed six weeks last year with a torn ligament in his thumb. Other than those two issues, there isn’t much to complain about with Correa: as an athletic, young, big-bodied shortstop who’s good at seemingly everything, he’s basically everything what you want in a franchise player. He’s been a five-win player when healthy but is still just 23. Scouts and ZiPS alike see a ceiling for even more.
| Five-Year WAR | +44.5 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | $66.4 M |
| Team Control Through | 2020 |
| Previous Rank | #2 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2019 | 27 | +9.5 | $33.2 M |
| 2020 | 28 | +9.4 | $33.2 M |
This is where things got really tough. Similar to the Bregman/Turner debate, I got a lot of different advice on how to handle places No. 2-4. What it boiled down to for me was two cost-controlled elite players versus a heftier salary on Trout, who is far and away the best player in baseball. You can’t ask something simple to settle this like, “Would the Yankees trade Aaron Judge for Trout?” — first because that isn’t a simple answer (most think they would, if forced to decide in a take-it-or-leave-it scenario) but also because we’re trying to answer this for all 30 clubs, not just one.
That when I realized the only way to settle this is to poll/project a preference for all 30 clubs and see which of these players was most desirable in a systematic way. When you split the league into small, medium, and large payrolls, you realize the robust part of Trout’s market is the large payroll clubs. The problem, though, is that some of those clubs are treating the luxury tax (CBT is the formal name) like a hard salary cap of sorts. If not even all of the big-market clubs would definitely take Trout (I pegged eight to 10 that would take him over No. 3 on this list) if a comparable value were available, then I felt like he belonged fourth.
In addition, while $33.2 million annually still represents a below-market price for Trout, trading for him midseason would be a tall order for most clubs (particularly with both alternatives making the league minimum), making it even a little more complicated. A couple contending/larger-market clubs made the case for Trout at No. 2 and these three players are all very close, so that’s the right call for them. If wins in 2019 are of utmost importance for a club, that additional 3.7 projected WAR for Trout carries greater marginal value, raising the dollar-per-WAR that the hypothetical contender would spend.
I can feel some readers’ faces turning red reading this, like I’m disregarding the fact that Trout is the best player in baseball, but the payroll limitations of some clubs combined with the industry’s general economic environment conspired to land Mr. Trout here, just behind some comparable talents who feature more control at a cheaper price.
| Five-Year WAR | +28.2 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | – |
| Team Control Through | 2022 |
| Previous Rank | #6 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2019 | 27 | +5.8 | Pre-Arb |
| 2020 | 28 | +6.0 | Arb1 |
| 2021 | 29 | +5.6 | Arb2 |
| 2022 | 30 | +5.5 | Arb3 |
The closest competition for Trout was Judge, a player who has given scouts fits for years as they attempt to figure out what he’ll become. In college, many considered him the cheap knockoff of Giancarlo Stanton, struggling at times at Fresno State as a 21-year-old while Stanton, with similar physical tools, had hit 56 homers in the big leagues by that age.
Even as a minor leaguer, Judge was regarded by some scouts as more a fringe regular or platoon player who was simply too big to make consistent contact. Kudos to Judge for figuring all this stuff out and outperforming even the most aggressive projections. Nevertheless, some of those traits that gave scouts pause (mainly the aging curve for giants) are still worth monitoring as Judge ages.
With all of that out of the way, Judge has put up nearly 13 wins in just over a year and a half, he’s in his prime, he’s making the league minimum, and he comes with 4.5 years of control. It sure seems like he’s good for five-plus wins each year of that and the basic algorithm I used to help form these rankings has Judge worth about $25 million more than Trout. There’s a little more risk given the shorter track record and singularity of Judge’s profile, but the extra two years of control are huge, along with a salary that should also make him about $20 million cheaper than Trout over the controlled years.
| Five-Year WAR | +34.8 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | – |
| Team Control Through | 2021 |
| Previous Rank | #5 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2019 | 25 | +6.9 | Arb1 |
| 2020 | 26 | +7.0 | Arb2 |
| 2021 | 27 | +7.1 | Arb3 |
As if Lindor’s electric tools and style of play weren’t enough, he was also delightful to watch talking with the broadcast crew from the field during the All-Star Game. According to the projections, Lindor is likely to jump from a previous career high of 5.9 WAR (recorded last season) to over 8 WAR this year, fueled by some positive BABIP regression and somehow improving on last year’s improbable 33-homer showing.
Lindor is one of the rare players with five plus tools who also has plus instincts and (knocks on wood) durability. He’s making the league minimum this year and still has three years of arbitration, which won’t be cheap but will still be well below market for him. Judge has an additional year of control, but Lindor is more traditionally athletic — he has more speed and defensive value — and remains in that range during which his athleticism will be at its peak.
| Five-Year WAR | +32.5 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | $21.0 M |
| Team Control Through | 2023 |
| Previous Rank | #15 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2019 | 26 | +6.5 | $3.8 M |
| 2020 | 27 | +6.6 | $6.2 M |
| 2021 | 28 | +6.6 | $9.0 M |
| 2022 | 29 | +6.5 | $11.0 M |
| 2023 | 30 | +6.3 | $13.0 M |
I’d like to say the top spot was a tough call and break down a 33-point recap of how I landed on this one, but it seemed like this would be the guy from early in the process. The mean projection for Ramirez calls for him to produce 9.4 WAR and 41 home runs while also recording more walks than strikeouts, plus defense, and league-leading baserunning metrics.
As if it weren’t enough for the Indians to have the second-most valuable trade asset in baseball who is plus at everything and had an out-of-nowhere power spike, well, here’s another one. Ramirez had his big breakout year in 2016 and, before the 2017 season started, the Indians smartly locked him up to a long-term deal, gambling that there was more of the same in the tank and giving Ramirez the first real payday in his career.
As you can see, he’s going to be making well below-market salaries until 2023 and they aren’t even all guaranteed, but it’s hard to imagine these club options don’t get picked up. Having three of the top 12 trade assets in the game is one reason why Cleveland is leading their division and will likely be doing that a lot in the coming years.
| Rk | Pv | Player | Age | 2019 | 2020 | 2021 | 2022 | 2023 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 15 | Jose Ramirez | 25 | +6.5 $3.8 M |
+6.6 $6.2 M |
+6.6 $9.0 M |
+6.5 $11.0 M |
+6.3 $13.0 M |
| 2 | 5 | Francisco Lindor | 24 | +6.9 Arb1 |
+7.0 Arb2 |
+7.1 Arb3 |
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| 3 | 6 | Aaron Judge | 26 | +5.8 Pre-Arb |
+6.0 Arb1 |
+5.6 Arb2 |
+5.5 Arb3 |
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| 4 | 2 | Mike Trout | 26 | +9.5 $33.2 M |
+9.4 $33.2 M |
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| 5 | 1 | Carlos Correa | 23 | +5.9 Arb1 |
+6.3 Arb2 |
+6.6 Arb3 |
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| 6 | 9 | Mookie Betts | 25 | +7.2 Arb2 |
+7.1 Arb3 |
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| 7 | 38 | Alex Bregman | 24 | +4.6 Pre-Arb |
+4.9 Arb1 |
+4.9 Arb2 |
+5.0 Arb3 |
|
| 8 | 7 | Trea Turner | 25 | +4.6 Arb1 |
+4.7 Arb2 |
+4.7 Arb3 |
+4.5 Arb4 |
|
| 9 | 14 | Freddie Freeman | 28 | +5.3 $21.0 M |
+5.3 $22.0 M |
+5.1 $22.0 M |
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| 10 | 35 | Luis Severino | 24 | +5.3 Arb1 |
+5.5 Arb2 |
+5.5 Arb3 |
+5.0 Arb4 |
|
| 11 | 4 | Kris Bryant | 26 | +5.8 Arb2 |
+5.6 Arb3 |
+5.2 Arb4 |
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| 12 | 10 | Corey Kluber | 32 | +6.0 $13.0 M |
+5.3 $13.5 M |
+4.8 $14.0 M |
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| 13 | 3 | Corey Seager | 24 | +5.3 Arb1 |
+5.5 Arb2 |
+5.7 Arb3 |
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| 14 | 26 | Andrew Benintendi | 23 | +3.7 Pre-Arb |
+4.0 Arb1 |
+4.1 Arb2 |
+3.9 Arb3 |
|
| 15 | – | Ozzie Albies | 21 | +3.5 Pre-Arb |
+4.2 Pre-Arb |
+4.9 Arb1 |
+5.1 Arb2 |
+5.1 Arb3 |
| 16 | – | Matt Chapman | 25 | +4.4 Pre-Arb |
+4.1 Pre-Arb |
+4.3 Arb1 |
+4.1 Arb2 |
+4.1 Arb3 |
| 17 | HM | Ronald Acuna | 20 | +3.3 Pre-Arb |
+3.9 Pre-Arb |
+4.5 Arb1 |
+5.2 Arb2 |
+5.2 Arb3 |
| 18 | HM | Vladimir Guerrero, Jr. | 19 | +2.0 Pre-Arb |
+2.9 Pre-Arb |
+3.9 Pre-Arb |
+4.4 Arb1 |
+5.1 Arb2 |
| 19 | – | Juan Soto | 19 | +3.6 Pre-Arb |
+3.2 Pre-Arb |
+3.7 Arb1 |
+4.2 Arb2 |
+4.5 Arb3 |
| 20 | – | Gleyber Torres | 21 | +2.3 Pre-Arb |
+3.0 Pre-Arb |
+3.8 Arb1 |
+4.0 Arb2 |
+4.1 Arb3 |
| 21 | 49 | Aaron Nola | 25 | +4.6 Arb1 |
+4.7 Arb2 |
+4.7 Arb3 |
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| 22 | 27 | Christian Yelich | 26 | +4.2 $9.8 M |
+4.2 $12.5 M |
+3.8 $14.0 M |
+3.9 $15.0 M |
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| 23 | 21 | Chris Sale | 29 | +6.5 $13.5 M |
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| 24 | – | J.T. Realmuto | 27 | +3.5 Arb2 |
+3.4 Arb3 |
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| 25 | 37 | Jacob deGrom | 30 | +6.0 Arb2 |
+5.7 Arb3 |
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| 26 | 11 | Cody Bellinger | 22 | +3.7 Pre-Arb |
+4.6 Arb1 |
+4.8 Arb2 |
+4.9 Arb3 |
+5.3 Arb4 |
| 27 | 18 | George Springer | 28 | +4.2 Arb2 |
+3.9 Arb3 |
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| 28 | 19 | Willson Contreras | 26 | +3.7 Pre-Arb |
+3.8 Arb1 |
+3.6 Arb2 |
+3.4 Arb3 |
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| 29 | 34 | Noah Syndergaard | 25 | +4.6 Arb2 |
+4.8 Arb3 |
+4.6 Arb4 |
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| 30 | – | Shohei Ohtani | 23 | +3.1 Pre-Arb |
+4.0 Pre-Arb |
+4.3 Arb1 |
+4.6 Arb2 |
+4.8 Arb3 |
| 31 | 12 | Gary Sanchez | 25 | +2.5 Pre-Arb |
+2.7 Arb1 |
+2.7 Arb2 |
+2.6 Arb3 |
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| 32 | – | Eugenio Suarez | 26 | +4.2 $7.0 M |
+3.9 $9.2 M |
+3.6 $10.5 M |
+3.6 $11.0 M |
+3.3 $11.0 M |
| 33 | – | Mitch Haniger | 27 | +3.2 Pre-Arb |
+3.0 Arb1 |
+2.9 Arb2 |
+2.8 Arb3 |
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| 34 | – | Rhys Hoskins | 25 | +3.2 Pre-Arb |
+3.4 Pre-Arb |
+3.3 Arb1 |
+3.2 Arb2 |
+3.0 Arb3 |
| 35 | – | Blake Snell | 25 | +3.2 Pre-Arb |
+3.4 Arb1 |
+3.4 Arb2 |
+3.1 Arb3 |
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| 36 | 24 | Jose Altuve | 28 | +5.3 $16.5 M |
+4.8 $26.0 M |
+4.9 $26.0 M |
+4.5 $26.0 M |
+3.9 $26.0 M |
| 37 | – | Andrelton Simmons | 28 | +4.9 $13.0 M |
+4.7 $15.0 M |
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| 38 | 8 | Anthony Rizzo | 28 | +4.6 $11.0 M |
+4.4 $14.5 M |
+4.0 $14.5 M |
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| 39 | – | Fernando Tatis, Jr. | 19 | +1.2 Pre-Arb |
+2.1 Pre-Arb |
+3.4 Pre-Arb |
+4.0 Arb1 |
+4.6 Arb2 |
| 40 | – | Walker Buehler | 23 | +2.8 Pre-Arb |
+3.0 Pre-Arb |
+3.0 Arb1 |
+2.8 Arb2 |
+2.9 Arb3 |
| 41 | 33 | Max Scherzer | 33 | +6.5 $35.0 M |
+5.6 $35.0 M |
+5.2 $35.0 M |
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| 42 | 17 | Buster Posey | 31 | +4.9 $21.4 M |
+4.3 $21.4 M |
+3.6 $21.4 M |
+3.1 $22.0 M |
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| 43 | HM | Odubel Herrera | 26 | +3.0 $5.0 M |
+2.8 $7.0 M |
+2.7 $10.0 M |
+2.7 $11.5 M |
+2.7 $12.5 M |
| 44 | – | Victor Robles | 21 | +2.5 Pre-Arb |
+2.8 Pre-Arb |
+3.1 Pre-Arb |
+3.1 Arb1 |
+3.2 Arb2 |
| 45 | HM | Rafael Devers | 21 | +2.5 Pre-Arb |
+3.2 Pre-Arb |
+3.8 Arb1 |
+3.9 Arb2 |
+3.8 Arb3 |
| 46 | – | Jose Berrios | 24 | +2.8 Pre-Arb |
+2.9 Arb1 |
+3.2 Arb2 |
+2.9 Arb3 |
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| 47 | – | Trevor Bauer | 27 | +4.2 Arb2 |
+4.2 Arb3 |
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| 48 | 48 | James Paxton | 29 | +4.9 Arb2 |
+4.7 Arb3 |
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| 49 | – | Jean Segura | 28 | +3.0 $14.3 M |
+3.0 $14.3 M |
+2.9 $14.3 M |
+2.7 $14.3 M |
+2.4 $17.0 M |
| 50 | – | Kyle Tucker | 21 | +2.2 Pre-Arb |
+3.0 Pre-Arb |
+3.7 Pre-Arb |
+3.7 Arb1 |
+3.7 Arb2 |
Kiley McDaniel has worked as an executive and scout, most recently for the Atlanta Braves, also for the New York Yankees, Baltimore Orioles and Pittsburgh Pirates. He's written for ESPN, Fox Sports and Baseball Prospectus. Follow him on twitter.
Awesome work guys! Great read
Put me firmly in the camp of Bregman over Trea Turner. Barring catastrophe, Bregman is going to finish the year as a six-win player (projections have him at 6.5ish). The projections think he’s playing a little over his head in the power department, but I’m not so sure, and even if we think he’s playing a little over his head, he’s still a likely 4.5 win player…which is where the projections see Turner landing. The durability and cost is just icing on the cake.
I don’t think Bregman is too high, but I do wonder about Turner over, say, Kris Bryant and Freddie Freeman and Severino. I think some of the difference of opinion is probably due to “do you want a superstar for 2.5 years or a star for 4.5”, and that’s going to depend a little on your roster construction. This may be what Kiley means when he says that you could reorder the guys from 7 to 13 (although that really boggles the mind to think that Kluber is only a couple spots away from Severino given the performance and team control on each). But I think I’d put Turner around Benintendi.
IMO, it’s really hard to argue with #1-#7. It’s also clear to see why Cleveland is right to push their chips in through 2021: It’s pretty rare to have the two most valuable assets in baseball at one time.
Also, this is kind of the – do you want a guy with a bunch of SBs and pretty good power or a bunch of homers and pretty good SBs…
If we’re talking long term value of guys who are 25 years old, you want the one whose value is less dependent on stolen bases, because those are on average going to dry up more quickly.
You’re not talking LONG term value though, just the length of the contract
“If we’re talking long term value of guys who are 25 years old, you want the one whose value is less dependent on stolen bases, because those are on average going to dry up more quickly.”
This is totally wrong.
https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2011/5/31/2199146/hitter-aging-curves
In that article you can see that fast players and slow players are about equally valuable through age 25, and that fast players are then more valuable at every age from 26 through 37.
As an Astros fan, I too was skeptical of Bregman’s power numbers as he has had a number of fence scrapers this year. However, the homerun derby opened my eyes. I didn’t think he was capable of generating a majority of the power and was reliant on the pitcher creating the power. Boy was I wrong, he won’t be hitting upper tank shots, but he has more than enough power and he know’s the strike zone down to the inch.
In other news, you can’t help but be worried by another season with another Correa injury. Houston will be in a tough spot when figuring out who to sign to long term deals because they can’t sign them all.
Trea Turner at 8 seems… aggressive.
For a cost-controlled 25-year old with 9 WAR already? I don’t think that it’s absurd
I think for me it’s more the injury history and average-ish bat (with declining power numbers each year), and this year being the first one where the metrics have liked his SS defense. I realize he paces for 4+ wins every year, but he’s never actually done it and that four year projection seems high to me. I’m just not sure an extra year of control makes him more attractive than Bryant or Seager. Or younger guys with more control like Albies, Acuna, Torres.
It strikes me as odd that he’s taken a totally different route for a 4-win season both years he’s been on pace for it. In 2016 he had a .388 BABIP, and this year it’s the defensive numbers. If I had to pick, I would pick the elite SS defense as the more likely route to a 4-win season but neither one seems totally sustainable.
Guys that don’t make contact at an elite rate or have power at an elite rate have really narrow paths to being 4-win players. It’s a testament to Turner’s position and baserunning that it’s even viable.
And as others have noted, Turner’s best tool (speed) is the one likely to decline fastest going forward. I don’t know. There’s an argument for Turner, but he seems similar to the not-ranked Addison Russell just with another year of control.
But that one skill, speed, is unlikely to decline (much) during these years of control.
I’m pretty sure speed is almost universally likely to decline in the mid to late 20s. He’ll still be a fast player in 3-4 years, but will he still be pushing 4 WAR based largely on that tool if it diminishes even a little?
He will do both next season. Just watch
I agree. Obviously Kiley is way smarter and clued in on this stuff than I am, but I’m quite skeptical about saying Turner has more value than Kris Bryant or Corey Seager…maybe Seager because he’s hurt but this the first year Turner hasn’t gotten hurt in his career.
I think people are way overrating Bryant. Turner actually hits the ball harder than Bryant
Bryant is a guy who has already peaked and is in decline. There’s a real risk that Bryant just falls off a cliff going forward and becomes an expensive utility guy.
I think someone gets at Bryant and fixes him, but I agree fully that there is a lot of risk
Maybe but the Padres would kill to undo the Myers-Turner trade.
I am biased but 8 would seem low if you watched him all the time. He is a trusty gifted defender with great power and a great eye.
I get it, and I know you’re right.
But it just FEELS so wrong.
I know the series was about trade value, and not likelihood of said players being traded; but going down the list from the top, the first guys I can see possibly being moved by the end of the 2019 season are #25 DeGrom and #29 Syndergaard. Only huge trade chips on the list for a team that may go into rebuild mode (think in terms of White Sox return for Chris Sale and Adam Eaton).
Realmuto is a logical trade candidate, although who knows what the Marlins’ merry band of idiots will do.
That’s why I skipped over him. For a normal team, he’d be gone by next week at the latest.
It’s not idiocy to hold out for the best possible return. The more the Nats struggle, the more likely they are to end up putting Robles in a deal.
At least as far as in-season trades go. In the off-season, they can reunite with Wilson Ramos or go after Grandal.
There’s only one team in baseball with an FV65 who is looking for a catcher. There’s literally only one other team with an FV60 who needs a catcher (Colorado, Brendan Rodgers). That may be their best bet, but it requires Colorado trading its best prospect, which they might not be interested in. Maybe they could get something decent out of the Brewers? Or Pache out of ATL? There’s just not a lot of bidders for catchers, especially in-season, I think both of those teams would be more willing in the off-season.
IMO, they should have tried in the off-season when they had a chance for Kyle Tucker, but I think that ship has probably sailed for a couple of reasons.
If you mean the odds move from 1% to 2%, then you’re technically correct, but the Nationals aren’t moving Robles for Realmuto.
“As an aside, a young core of Turner, Victor Robles, and Juan Soto represents quite the place from which to start for a club that may be entering a transitional phase in 2019.”
As a Braves fan (living in DC), the truth of this statement upsets me deeply.
Just be patient, the Nationals appear to be trying to talk themselves into not needing Robles.
Final tally
Which means big fat zeroes for Baltimore, Chicago (AL), Kansas City, Detroit, Texas, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Arizona, and Colorado, if I did that correctly.
Versus the potential 18WAR Cleveland will likely get from their top 3 next year, that will only cost them $18 million. That’s a pretty huge allowance to cover up for mistakes/roster holes elsewhere.
The best teams with zero players on the list are, in order, Arizona, Colorado, St. Louis, and Pittsburgh. I’m curious if not having these kinds of players (obviously, an exact count of top 50 players is not how you’d think about that, but in general) has a strong correlation with a future decline in the standings. Seems like it would have at least some, but how meaningful is it at the team level?
Dbacks fan here and I’m pretty much assuming they are going to be complete garbage in 2-3 years. Their farm system stinks and payroll is projected to go up over the next 2-3 years even without signing any of their free agents and they will need to deal with losing Pollock & Corbin this offseason, Goldschmidt, Miller and Boxberger after 2019 and Walker, Lamb, Ray, Souza and Peralta after 2020
I actually like the Dbacks farm system. lots of variance, but Varsho, Chisholm, Robinson, Duplantier etc. there are some really interesting pieces
but maybe all farm systems look good to me because I’m a Mariners fan
Are you telling me Gianfranco Wawoe won’t be a perennial all-star?
As a Rox fan, their mid-term future actually looks pretty decent…they have above-average minor league depth and even if they can’t re-sign Arenado, they still have 6-7 above average major league pitchers under multiple years of cheap team control and plenty of in-house options to replace him at 3rd. Sure, none of their young pitchers are Severino, Noal, Syndergaard level, but a deep starting rotation under very team-friendly status is a good thing to build from.
The Rockies won’t be contending for a World Series unless they make some changes, but as things stand, they have plenty of talent, especially pitching, to hang around and contend for a playoff spot for the next 3-4 years at least.
“The pro-Turner argument is that he has a more well-rounded game and more athleticism, which should help him age a little better.”
Do athletic players really age better? Bregman’s biggest skills age well; he’s a power hitter with elite plate discipline. As for Turner, most of his value – baserunning, defense – comes from his speed, which is a skill that declines much more quickly. It’s basically in a perpetual decline as soon as guys hit the majors. Defensive metrics are also much more volatile and hard to rely on. Looking at their respective wRC+ from the past two seasons (102 and 105 for Turner; 122 and 159 for Bregman) makes this looks like a runaway.
Bregman was ranked higher, so this seems kinda petty of me. I just see too much downside with Turner, and think he should be much lower down the list, in the same way that pitchers are much farther down the list than their surplus value suggests they should be.
It seems counterintuitive, but yes, speedy defensive players age better than disciplined sluggers. There are articles about it. The latter are typically close to the edge on athleticism to start with, and once they lose a little they are out of the league
You are correct, sir. https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-slow-decline-of-speedy-outfielders/
Not sure how many times I can read inaccurate assumptions (that athletic fast guys age worse than their less athletic/fast peers) in this comment chain but there have been multiple looks into this in the past and the results are that guys like Turner age better.
I dont think Turner has come anywhere near his peak yet either. Turner isnt an excellent base runner solely because of elite speed either. His elite baserunning talent and instincts are enhanced by his elite speed. Also, while Bryant has been an excellent hitter, much of his WAR was tied to “elite base running” and + defense which are two things that have already begun to regress.
I’d take turner every day of the week over Bryant over the length of his control. I’d probably take Bryant for ROS though
JDbolick already posted one link to a study, here is another: https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2011/5/31/2199146/hitter-aging-curves
If it seems counter-intuitive, think about it like this: A player who has elite plate discipline and power is going to get slower, and they aren’t going to be able to get better at plate discipline and power since they are already elite. A fast player will slow down, but they can improve their plate discipline and power, allowing them to age more gracefully.
My head says “makes sense” my heart says “Mike Trout Mike Trout Mike Trout Mike Troutttttttttttttttttt.”
Yeah, I agree but still, there’s got to be an objective way to make Trout #1.
Sure, just ignore the contract and assume all of these guys have the same salary for the same number of years going forward.
But this is a “trade value” list, not a “baseball value” list; thus contract status is a key part of it. There’s a reason Machado and Harper, who are among the best non-Trout players in baseball, didn’t make the list. The fact that Trout, with only 2 years of control at one of the highest salaries in baseball, could make #4, ahead of some great young players with twice as many years (or more) at vastly less cost, is a testament to his greatness.
I know it doesn’t really matter, but I’m curious why Chad Green wasn’t included in the Honorable Mentions next to Diaz, Vazquez, and Hader. He has pretty comparable numbers and contract status, and is actually better compared to Vazquez. Plus, his salary will likely stay lower than all three in arbitration because he isn’t and won’t be collecting saves.
He’s been hit pretty hard this year and has basically been only using his fastball
The projection, regressing toward the mean, says Mike Trout will put up two of the top 50 position player seasons since integration over the next two years.
His spot on the table seems about right, but also: Mike Trout.
I was going to post the same thing and I post the same thing any time Trout and projected WAR comes up – the expectation is that Trout will have a better season (9.5 and 9.4 WAR) than a fair number of HOFers ever had in their entire careers. That’s average for him, like a ho-hum year is that he has a better year than the best seasons of Stargell, Johnny Bench, Rod Carew, Wade Boggs and a ton of other HOFers. Chipper Jones just got 97.2% of the HOF vote. . . .his career best was 7.3 WAR.
I’m wondering if Trout will still make this list at #48-49ish, during the last year of his contract.
Probably higher, honestly, given how good he is.
Just eyeballing it I think he’d rank in the 20s if he were hypothetically a FA at the end of this year, in the Springer/Bellinger/Realmuto zone. Obviously the Dodgers/Astros may not do one-to-one trade for Trout, but I can easily see Trout bringing back a similar if not better prospect haul than any of the above three players.
I’d be curious to see how much Trout would increase the WS win% for any team adding him. I have to think it’s high enough to warrant, say, 3 years of George Springer.
Sale is on the list at #23 this year with 1.5 years left for cheap. So next year, probably safe to put Trout somewhere in that range too (he’ll be more expensive, but still way better). Probably top-20 still, although maybe more on the tail end.
But then the year after, if you’re only getting him for half a season? I honestly don’t know. I don’t think teams would be willing to give up the guys in the 30-range for him (Hoskins, Snell for example) for just a rental. But the guys in the 40-range? If Trout was a FA after this year, I could definitely see him as being more valuable than a Devers or Buehler. Of course, on the flipside, with no extra years of control, you have half the league who it makes absolutely no sense to acquire, unless if they think they can sell 50M Trout jerseys. So as sad as it would be, I don’t think a pending FA can ever truly make the list. I mean we just saw Machado get dealt, and the return wasn’t even close to being an honourable mention on this list. Heck, the headline wasn’t even an HM on the top prospect list update. Unless if the list was changed to being “what is the most a team could get for them” vs a more “what is the median trade value among all teams”, I don’t know if Trout could make it in his last year.
I agree with most of this, but two points:
1. As good as Machado is, he is not close to Trout’s league.
2. Trout seems as though he’d be a better candidate for a trade-and-extend, though I’d still say the odds are slim. But the odds for Machado were basically zero.
If you were the Nationals, right now, would you trade Victor Robles for Mike Trout if Trout were a rental?
I’d think they would at least think about it. The Nats are at 5.5% to win the World Series, but a decent chunk of that is because they are only 46% to win the division. Add Trout, and the division odds go way up. There World Series odds could double (just spit balling here). There is a decent chance that Robles never does anything meaningful.
In the last year of his deal, if projections hold, he’ll be owed ~$16M and still have ~4.5WAR left to provide. At $9M/WAR, that’s ~$25M of surplus value.
Jean Segura (#49 on the list this year) has about $50M in surplus value using similar math.
Still….Mike Trout. I bet a team would/will give up a kings ransom for a stretch run with him.
The only flaw with a rental Trout is that half the league would have virtually no use for him. But for anyone in the hunt? Yeah, I’d go crazy.
One of the things I love most about baseball is that even with decades of scouting experience guys continue to come out of nowhere. Jose Ramirez is now the most valuable asset in baseball. That’s a truly amazing story.
Yeah, it’s an interesting contrast between Ramirez and Lindor. One was selected #8 overall and was a top 10 prospect. The other was signed for $50,000 as more of an afterthought and never made a prospect list.
Of course, there was one system that believed in Ramirez…KATOH!
https://www.fangraphs.com/tht/katoh-forecasting-a-hitters-major-league-performance-with-minor-league-stats/
Wow, you’d think that a baseball team would give the guy that made that system a job.
Who does Chris Mitchell work for?
He didn’t (couldn’t) say in his goodbye blog post. I assume it was a team. I guess it could be some other industry entity.
I assumed he didn’t do KATOH anymore because a team hired him. Do you know who hired him? (Was it Cleveland?)
I was told by a VERY reliable source that a team is paying Mitchell NOT to write about KATOH any more.
This wins the comments as a Tribe season ticket holder. The Indians are performing white magic in terms of scouting and projecting.
I understand contracts matter for trade value and some teams are constrained. But, on a slightly different note, if a team/owner is not willing to pay by far the best player in the game far less than he is worth then you shouldn’t own the team/that team shouldn’t exist. Trout may be producing $70 million value . If you wouldn’t immediately pay $33 million for that then sell the team. That isn’t to say he should be #1 on the list, but concerns about payroll shouldn’t matter in his case.
At a certain point what a player is “worth” becomes kind of pointless. If you’re talking $/win, Trout is “worth” what, $100 million per year? Nobody is going to be paying Mike Trout a hundred million dollars per year. Not one team. A player is “worth” a dollar more than what the second-highest bidder is willing to spend.
For somebody like, say, the Orioles, there is absolutely zero value in trading for Mike Trout, unless you then intend to flip him to another team. There’s simply no reason to spend $33 million to finish in last place by fewer games.
Maybe the value is in giving your fans someone worth actually going to the ballpark to see play instead of putting a pile of hot garbage out on the field? And if you had the chance to sign him for 10 years for $450 million or whatever any team would have time to build a contender.
Fun stuff! Tough to imagine a scenario where Freeman has more actual trade value than Severino. Every team needs starting pitching except Houston—plenty of teams already have first base covered—and Sevi is free ninety free, man!
It’s about consistency and injury aversion. “Severino’s next pitch could be his last for a year” clearly states the concerns clubs would have about a young flame thrower. Meanwhile, Freeman is one of the most consistent hitters in the game and has an under-market-value contract.
“plenty of teams already have first base covered” — The AL lacks a single 1B that would be considered elite currently.
To be fair, part of the reason why a lot of AL teams would have no interest in Freeman is because their team stinks, and improving 1B for the next three years is a waste. Not sure what the Royals or White Sox would accomplish by bumping up their win total a tad for the next couple of years.
On the other hand, not a single NL team with a winning record would find it worthwhile to upgrade to Freeman except the Nationals (who are at .500) and the Rockies (and I don’t know what they’re doing).
In contrast, every team needs a starting pitcher. I suspect Severino would fetch something just south of a Chris Sale-type package, but just north of what Freeman would net if he were available for trade.
“Having three of the top 12 trade assets in the game is one reason why Cleveland is leading their division and will likely be doing that a lot in the coming years.”
Shout out to Mark Shapiro…wow.
#teamshapkins for the win
I know this is pure fantasy, but what do people think about a straight up swap of Trout and Judge. The Yankees are in win-now mode and get a better player for the next two years. The Angels, on the other hand, would be able to keep their window open for longer.
Angels say no. Probably immediately.
That’s a quality swap. But what about quantity? What if let’s say, Washington offered…prospects from Kieboom down. Like, Anaheim can take anyone they can roster. (I’m not sure this is a great sample swap, but my real question is just, is there such an offer that overwhelms by sheer volume? I’m not sure — value might by asymptotic; is Trout over that line?)
The Angels should probably consider trading Trout, but the problem is whether you could ever get a package of comparable value back. But Judge is approximately comparable value. Throw in Hicks and a couple of spare infielders (the Yankees sure have enough), and I would do this if I were the Angels.
I’m not sure why the Yankees would want to do this, though. Judge’s team control lines up pretty well with Stanton, Torres, Severino, Bird, Sanchez, etc.
“The Angels, on the other hand, would be able to keep their window open for longer.”
The problem is that the current window is basically a handful of semi-useful pieces assembled around Trout and Simmons. This seems less like it would keep the Angels competitive for longer than it is simply rescuing Trout from Angels purgatory (and sending Judge there in his place).
Personally, if you look at the Angels farm, it’s not half bad but the impact guys are disproportionately found in the low minors:
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/top-20-prospects-los-angeles-angels/
If they’re sending Trout away, it should be for a bevy of prospects who will align with the next window created by those guys + when the Astros start having to make decisions on their young players. Guys who are going to hit their stride around 2021/2022.
I don’t think the Angels will ever trade Trout, so long as they think they have a chance to extend him or re-sign him.
Calhoun, Upton, Cozart, Kinsler and Ohtani are more than ‘a handful of semi-useful pieces’.
Calhoun, Upton, Cozart, Kinsler, and Ohtani (including both hitting AND pitching) have, combined, been as valuable as Chris Sale himself has been this season. The most valuable of those players, Upton, is 59th among position players in WAR, sandwiched between Yasmani Grandal and Ben Zobrist. Ohtani is an intriguing piece, but the best that can be said of Upton, Calhoun, Cozart, and Kinsler is that they are complementary pieces who might be worthy of a roster spot as utilitymen or, in Upton’s case, a decent bottom-third-of-the-order starter.
Judge at Yankee Stadium:
.322/.445/1.150 (200 WRC+)
Judge on the road:
.224/.353/.444 (115 WRC+)
Paying full value for Judge means taking on a LOT of risk. Maybe he could adjust his swing to a new home environment, though it’s doubtful he could replicate what he’s done at Yankee Stadium. And if he doesn’t??? He’d still be valuable but nowhere near being worth Mike Trout.
You like posting about his splits a lot! They are so disparate that I’d think the majority of the difference is explained by random fluctuations (but would love to see a more detailed analysis).
Ha! Yes, I do. Mainly because I don’t see anyone else talking about them. And they seem worth talking about, don’t they? They’re likely the largest in the history of baseball.
BTW, I’m not sure what you mean by random fluctuations? Seems like splits that large couldn’t possibly be random.
As a Yankee fan I say no to this trade. The Yankees aren’t really in win-now mode as that term is typically understood. They don’t have a window that’s closing any time soon. They have the third-youngest lineup in baseball at the moment, where on days Brett Gardner sits they don’t have a player older than 28 in the lineup. Trout is clearly better than Judge, but there’s simply no reason to trade four years of Judge for two years of Trout, on a team with Gleyber Torres and Severino and Andujar and Sanchez and Sheffield. The Yankees aren’t so much looking to win a World Series this year as they are looking to win three or four World Series in the next five or six years. So a Trout / Judge trade just doesn’t really seem like the best allocation of assets at this point.
Also… this next part is sacrilege, and I understand that, but I’ve been a Yankee fan for almost 40 years and I’ve seen it happen over and over and over. Mike Trout is the best baseball player of my lifetime in the non-Bonds-on-steroids division. But he’s also a VERY private person, and doesn’t have any interest in being a “celebrity.” And… that can cause problems in New York. Remember when Randy Johnson first showed up in New York, and grabbed that camera out of a paparazzi’s hand? People who don’t like having photos of themselves eating breakfast splashed across the back page of the tabloids don’t tend to do very well in New York. This issue with Trout just came up over the all-star break. He isn’t the type of guy who wants to always be doing photo shoots and appearing on late night talk shows and having his face plastered on 200 foot tall billboards, and in New York that can be a real problem. It was a problem for the Yankees when they were signing Mike Mussina, proving to him that he would be able to stay out of the limelight that guys like Jeter and David Wells thrived in, since he knew he wouldn’t enjoy that type of life. Look at what’s happening with David Price now in Boston. A lot of players just aren’t comfortable playing under the conditions that you have to deal with in New York and Boston, and that’s something that gives me pause about the Yankees ever getting Trout. He’s a tremendous player, one of the best players of all time. But he’s also probably a guy who would put up better numbers elsewhere than he would with the Yankees.
Yankees can’t do that. Trout is a much better player for the next two years, but the Yankees can always just take the $66M they would be paying Trout and give it to somebody else to provide the 7.1 WAR instead. Then they get two more years of Judge at way below market value. If this were the same team that spent money like it grows on trees then maybe, but indications are that it isn’t.
A fun thought experiment.
A deal with your favorite team for Mike Trout.
I’m not crunching the numbers, so
Cubs:
Almora
Happ
Caratini
Montgomery
Kris Bryant
MiLB filler (it may seem bare, but there is some talent there to compliment each scenario)
(Alternately LAA could swap Bryant for Contreras(minus Caratini)and Baez (to pair with Simmons, that up the middle would be ridiculous).
Obviously the Cubs are going to need to stay under the Cap. But it still keeps them competitive this year. And it does not preclude them from going after Machado or Harper. Or LAA for that matter.
Looking at that glorious Jose Ramirez contract ($50M total with bonus and escalators), he has a chance to reach 1 WAR per $1M earned over the course of the contract (projected 48.6 WAR). That’s insane.
Michael Baumann has convinced me that we should consider extremely team friendly contracts bad, not good: https://www.theringer.com/2016/12/15/16040276/the-25-worst-contracts-in-baseball-b98692ba39d2
Despite the downvotes, I agree. The flipside of value is player underpayment relative to their contribution. That Aaron Judge is making approximately 1/40 what Ellsbury is making doesn’t seem like anything to celebrate. As Baumann says, at best it’s neutral and at worst it’s massively unfair. I get that they’re all millionaires or future millionaires, but isn’t getting hetted up over trade value just a way of gloating about one billionaire’s front office guys outsmarting another’s? Or more to the point, outsmarting a (usually) 18-24 year-old kid? And yet when the opposite happens, and a player gets massively overpaid, he’s told to retire because he’s ruining his legacy or demonized by the fanbase (like I just did to Ellsbury!) because he’s not the player he was in his prime.
Where is Anthony Rendon?
He should have been included in the HM for “contracts expiring in 2018 or 2019”
Maybe an interesting follow up would be a historical look at how teams have fared while holding these most valuable contracts over time and who’s had more of them and fewer of them. For example, I see the asset-managing Pirates presently hold none of the top-50 most valuable contracts which seems a harbinger of bad things to come for a team that needs to trade and develop to have any hope of postseason play.
It would be cool if you added a dollar amount to them, like the delta between what they’d be expected to earn and what their value is in WAR
Love this!
Surprised not to see Bauer, Baez, or Rosario on here at all though
Bauer is 47
I assume that there’s some industry skepticism on Rosario, deserved or not, that he’s just on a hot streak and the bottom is going to fall out any moment.
Would assume it’s the same for Whit Merrifield. He’s at 3.2 WAR this year after 2.9 last year, with several more years of control.
I think the players voted him the most under-rated in baseball.
If he keeps hitting for another year and prove that it’s more than a huge half season, then he could be more in line to make it next year. Although with a year less of control, still hard to say whether he could squeeze onto the list as a 2+ years left guy.
2017 Anagram Value: #50 to #1
#50 Leeky Truck
#49 Jane Argues
#48 Toe Jam Spanx
#47 Our Vertebra
#46 Berrie Jooss
#45 Salad Ferever
#44 Corvo Blister
#43 Uber Relo Hader
#42 Busey E. Strop
#41 Z. Sex Charmer
#40 Whaler E. Kluber
#39 Fena T Dinostar, Jr.
#38 Horny At Nizzo
#37 Semonna Lindstrom
#36 Aleve Joust
#35 Klean Bells
#34 Shrink Hossy
#33 Hi German Itch
#32 Euueio Zangers
#31 Chay Zangers
#30 Saint Hei Ho Ho
#29 Gary Dread Hanson
#28 Winers Control Sal
#27 RR SpongeReggie
#26 Codgely Berlin
#25 Jo abcdeGmor
#24 A J-Lo Mutter
#23 Hale Criss
#22 Stanley Ri-Chi-Chi
#21 Non-araola
#20 Sorry Bert Glee
#19 Son O’Juat?
#18 Judge Rival Re Mirror
#17 Ana Cauldron
#16 Patch Mapman
#15 Bio: Zeal > Size
#14 Teen Band Winner ID
#13 See Carrey Go!
#12 Corky Bueler
#11 Stinkbarry
#10 Inverse Louis
#9 Refried Deaf Men
#8 Rerun Treat
#7 X-Men Algebra
#6 Skoobie Mett
#5 Sore Ole Car Car
#4 Erotik Mut
#3 Jade On Jaguar
#2 Rancid Color Fins
#1 Major EZ Rise
I always look forward to Baseball Anagrams.
I think my favorite is probably Rancid Color Fins.
I like what he did with Bueller and Kluber.
“Bio: Zeal > Size” also applies to last year’s #15. That’s why he was able to make the EZ rise to #1 this year.
There are no annagram’s in baseball. Now a day’s you send a fax.
Amazing work!
Not to nitpick (read: about to nitpick), but Aaron ended up with an extra J.
* A Done Jaguar
One other nitpick: it’s 2018, not 2017.
Freddie Freeman(9) is clearly the best.
Great job on the series, really enjoyed it a lot. I particularly liked how you made it clear how important money/years re in the ordering of the players.
I understand you’re concerned with performance and projections, position, and controllability, but realistically, you need to also consider a player’s popularity. A player’s off-field popularity, persona and level of public engagement generates income for their organization and grows the team and the sport. TV viewership, spike in ticket and swag sales, promo and endorsements can push Trout or Judge to the top of the list.
Kiley, wonderful job.
Six of the top seven players on this list lead MLB in WAR this year, which I find interesting. The top value players also happen to be the very best players of today.
Name WAR
Jose Ramirez 6.5
Mike Trout 6.5
Mookie Betts 6.5
Francisco Lindor 5.4
Aaron Judge 4.7
Alex Bregman 4.6
Well, yeah, good players are more valuable. Was that surprising?
Interesting, not surprising. If you go back thru previous years’ best value series you won’t see as strong a correlation between current year WAR leaders and top value players. Part of the reason is that some of your top performers, on any given year, are veterans signed to at market prices, or soon to be free agents.
No coincidence. Btw, Judge currently at 5.4 WAR not 4.7.
I think Trea is too high, as he’s a very good but not great defender (his jump throw obsession often makes me want to throttle him), and his .937 OPS in 2016 seems unlikely to ever come back.
That said, I think he’s suffered this year from Martinez learning on the job. He played in every game, pinch hitting only twice (and months apart), and was visibly burnt out in July.
More importantly, he’s been getting yanked around the lineup, with his role changing on a near daily basis, depending on whether Bryce is behind him and whether Eaton is healthy. Some days he was just asked to get on base, some days he was asked to drive in runs, and once Bryce started struggling b/c he was frustrated from being walked so much, Trea lost his green light to steal, lest they just intentionally walk Bryce.
8th is too high, but I also think he’s slightly better than he’s shown this season. Plus, he’s Rendon’s favorite player, so he gets a boost from recruiting value for the Nats to resign their best position player.
I stil can’t wrap my head around how good Jose Ramirez is.
for a guy who’s #1 overall in the FanGraphs trade value rankings, Jose Ramirez needs to do a better job of marketing himself
Trout would be more valuable with a new manager.
This is not working – as sweet as 16 years ago sounds.
Jose Ramirez is otherworldly good and getting better.
Hey! There’s no such thing as “positive regression”! Snap out of it, as Jerry Seinfeld would say, if he were your psychiatrist.
How close was Javy Baez?
Extreme Steven A Smith Voice – So you’re telling me, that the best player in baseball right now without a doubt, who can become THE best ever to play the game by the time he is done, is not #1 on the list? He is not even top 3?? Listen, Aaron Judge is a great kid, he is like a son to me, he can hit the ball out of this world, but he strikes out 200 times a year, has an easier position to field and most importantly – he is no Mike Nelson Trout. And don’t get me started on the duo from Cleveland – Fransisco and Jose to me are like grandchildren Im too young to have, I love them will all my heart, but if Cleveland GM Mike Chernoff called Billy Eppler tonight and offered those two for Mike Trout straight up – Billy would wait 5 seconds in silence out of respect and would just hang up the phone. You know why? Because you don’t trade Gretzky or Jordan or Mike Nelson Trout in their prime goddamit!
Thanks for keeping this tradition alive. Such an enjoyable read.