2018 Trade Value: #41 to #50

Max Scherzer’s contract renders him an option only for big-market clubs.
(Photo: Keith Allison)

As is the annual tradition at FanGraphs, we’re using the week of the All-Star Game — while the industry pauses to take a metaphorical breather — to take stock of the top-50 trade assets in the sport. For more context on exactly what we’re trying to do here, see the honorable-mentions post linked at the top of the page.

For this post and the four to follow, I’ll present a graphic (by way of the wizard Sean Dolinar) breaking down each player’s objective skill level (represented, in this case, by a five-year WAR projection from ZiPS), contract/team-control details, rank in last year’s series, and then year-by-year details of age/WAR/contract through 2023, although a couple players have control beyond those five years. For those readers who are partial to spreadsheets rather than blocks of text, I’ll also include all the players we’ve ranked so far are in grid format at the bottom of the post.

The ZiPS WAR forecasts did influence the rankings a bit: for players who were bunched together, it acted as an impartial tiebreaker of sorts, but the industry opinions I solicited drove the rankings.

With that said, let’s get to the final 10 spots on the Trade Value list this year.

Five-Year WAR +16.3
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2024
Previous Rank
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2019 22 +2.2 Pre-Arb
2020 23 +3.0 Pre-Arb
2021 24 +3.7 Pre-Arb
2022 25 +3.7 Arb1
2023 26 +3.7 Arb2
Pre-Arb
Arb

This last spot, as I’m sure was true on all of the versions of the list Dave did, was a tough to decide upon. As you can see from the honorable mentions, basically every type of player has a solid candidate for this spot. One could argue on behalf of Matt Olson, for example, that he’s a similar player to Tucker, has just one fewer year of control, and has already posted 3.6 WAR in his first 167 games. That said, Tucker seems to get a bit of a boost from the industry because of his recent call-up and that isn’t all nonsense: calling a top prospect up to a contending team before there’s any incentives by way of service time suggests the things non-Astros people know about Tucker (mental makeup, etc.) are positive.

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On a deeper level, most of the other players in the running for this spot have fewer control years, have less prospect/scouting pedigree, have hit tool concerns, or are a pitcher. Tucker has been hyped as one of the best bets in his age group since he was 17 years old and there’s something to being elite for a long time, as Joe Flacco can attest. It may not be predictive in this specific case, but I’ll take a sweet swing with long-term pedigree any day.

Five-Year WAR +14.0
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2023
Previous Rank
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2019 28 +3.0 $14.3 M
2020 29 +3.0 $14.3 M
2021 30 +2.9 $14.3 M
2022 31 +2.7 $14.3 M
2023 32 +2.4 $17.0 M
Team Option

Segura was one of the few players who inspired different takes from execs and scouts for reasons other than just the size of contract. On the positive side, you see a shortstop on pace for a four-win season, who contributes in all facets, and is in his peak on an affordable long-term deal. On the negative side, his value as a hitter is tied pretty closely to BABIP, he’s probably more of a three-win type going forward, is about to start his decline phase, and even if the contract isn’t bad, you’re tied to him for four more years. Both sides agree he’s a useful player and trade chip, but the range is something like 35th to 70th depending on which end of this divide you fall.

Five-Year WAR +22.8
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2020
Previous Rank
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2019 29 +4.9 Arb2
2020 30 +4.7 Arb3
Arb

I considered moving Paxton down after he walked off the mound a few days ago, but left him here for a few reasons. First, it’s a minor injury (though he’s had back issues before, so it isn’t nothing) and, second, Paxton was already ranked here despite having never compiled more than 136.1 innings in a season.

When healthy, Paxton is so good that he can post ace-level WAR figures in fewer than 25 starts. When it comes to trade value, these sorts of arms are even more useful because, whatever they lack in durability, they compensate for it with the ability to make an impact in the postseason. So, you don’t get the 220 innings you’d like and are forced to contend with a roller coaster regular season, but when the playoffs comes, you’ll want him on that wall — nay, you need him on that wall.

Five-Year WAR +20.1
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2020
Previous Rank
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2019 27 +4.2 Arb2
2020 28 +4.2 Arb3
Arb

I almost used the word bonkers in the Paxton comment, but it feels more appropriate to use regarding Bauer. ZiPS projects him for 4.2 WAR in 2019 and 2020 and he’s already at 5.1 WAR in 136 innings this season. As if his eye-popping performance this year wasn’t enough, Bauer obsessively designs pitches with high-tech equipment in a warehouse over the winter, to the point that Elon Musk thinks he should cool it with all the science, bro. His personality isn’t for everyone, but there’s no indication that it affects his trade value. In addition, the whole “ace having a great season is worth even more in the postseason” thing applies even more to Bauer than Paxton, since there’s a better chance Bauer will be healthy when it matters.

Five-Year WAR +14.6
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2022
Previous Rank
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2019 24 +2.8 Pre-Arb
2020 25 +2.9 Arb1
2021 26 +3.2 Arb2
2022 27 +2.9 Arb3
Pre-Arb
Arb

Berrios isn’t as good as Bauer or Paxton and may never get to quite that level of domination, but his virtues appeal to a much larger swath of teams. Bauer and Paxton are essentially non-options for clubs with little chance of competing, and the breadth of a player’s appeal to the league (or lack of it) is pretty relevant to this exercise.

Berrios has an additional two years of control, is 24, has no meaningful injuries in his past, and is still improving — and possesses good enough stuff that you can see him taking another step forward. When you see trade rumors to the effect that a club on the outskirts of contention is looking for “controllable starting pitching,” this is the guy they’re hoping to get.

Five-Year WAR +17.2
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2023
Previous Rank #HM
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2019 21 +2.5 Pre-Arb
2020 22 +3.2 Pre-Arb
2021 23 +3.8 Arb1
2022 24 +3.9 Arb2
2023 25 +3.8 Arb3
Pre-Arb
Arb

I mentioned in the introduction post that some prospects who’ve produced hot starts to their career have received a bigger boost in the industry than one might anticipate, even if the underlying rationale makes sense. Devers was that sort of guy last year and is now in the stage of his young career when he’s had some bad luck and hasn’t taken the step forward that many anticipated given his pedigree. In his defense, he’s still just the age of a college junior, his underlying stats aren’t bad, and the reason we scout the minor leagues so closely is to pick out the guy we’d like to buy when his stock is down. Devers is obviously still a player basically any club would like — that’s why he appears on this list — but his defense has never been great, so this is a bet on the bat. Most people with whom I spoke in the industry are still in on Devers, and so is ZiPS, it appears.

Five-Year WAR +14.7
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2024
Previous Rank
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2019 22 +2.5 Pre-Arb
2020 23 +2.8 Pre-Arb
2021 24 +3.1 Pre-Arb
2022 25 +3.1 Arb1
2023 26 +3.2 Arb2
Pre-Arb
Arb

Robles suffered a hyperextended left elbow in Triple-A on April 9th and has been out ever since. He’ll likely come back at some point this season, but will be more of an MLB asset once again in 2019. If the Nats can stomach keeping him in the minors until about five weeks into 2019, they’ll control him until 2025, but Robles is a dynamic player and the Nats are contending, so that may not end up being the best idea. Since there’s almost no MLB data here with which to work, I’ll turn back into prospect guy and tell you that Eric Longenhangen and I think Robles is a plus-plus runner, thrower, and defender who could be a plus or even plus-plus hitter and have a shot at 15 homers. He isn’t the kind of prospect whose raw stats make you go all heart-eyes emoji face, but when scouts watch Robles, that’s how they react.

Five-Year WAR +13.9
Guaranteed Dollars $22.0 M
Team Control Through 2023
Previous Rank #HM
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2019 26 +3.0 $5.0 M
2020 27 +2.8 $7.0 M
2021 28 +2.7 $10.0 M
2022 29 +2.7 $11.5 M
2023 30 +2.7 $12.5 M
Team Option

I’ll always refer to Herrera as “Doobie.” That’s not particularly relevant to this article, I just need to establish that fact before moving on. Now then…

Herrera was perceived earlier in his career as being a bit erratic on-field at times, which is sometimes entertaining and sometimes worrisome. He’s been pretty consistent offensively, but a concern with speed-based players is that they can sometimes drop off a cliff when the speed backs up. That’s something to watch with Herrera, as UZR and DRS both suggest he’s declined this year defensively while Inside Edge doesn’t quite see that. It’s a small sample either way, and Herrera is cheap even if that is happening. His defensive decline, whenever it happens, would make him more of a solid honorable mention than a top-50 type.

Five-Year WAR +18.3
Guaranteed Dollars $64.2 M
Team Control Through 2022
Previous Rank #HM
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2019 31 +4.9 $21.4 M
2020 32 +4.3 $21.4 M
2021 33 +3.6 $21.4 M
2022 34 +3.1 $22.0 M
Team Option

I made this list mostly moving down from 1, so you don’t get the same experience reading a countdown as I did making the list, but this is about the juncture where the young prospect types and more expensive veterans started to congregate. Just ahead of this group is where the undeniable, consensus top-tier types reside. For obvious reasons, Posey isn’t in that stratosphere anymore, not because he isn’t a great player — he’s exactly the type whom WAR underrates — but because 31 year old catchers showing some indication of decline often turn into first basemen before you know it. And his team just drafted his expected replacement.

Being on the hook for another $60-plus million in a market where first baseman aren’t getting much love isn’t a fun place to be. In addition, all the things Posey does that can’t be captured by WAR largely disappear with to first. He would be a great addition for a contending team that has almost everything but a catcher, but for those middle-tier clubs that I referenced in the intro, possibly getting tied to this type of player and giving up payroll flexibility for what could be a more ordinary player at the end of his deal is a tough sell. Also, for the record, I am not betting against Buster Posey, because that seems like a bad idea.

Five-Year WAR +26.6
Guaranteed Dollars $105.0 M
Team Control Through 2021
Previous Rank #33
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2019 33 +6.5 $35.0 M
2020 34 +5.6 $35.0 M
2021 35 +5.2 $35.0 M

And we wrap up this first installment of the list with one of its most polarizing players. Scherzer’s deal is interesting because he’s still getting about $7 million a year of a pro-rated signing bonus through 2021, but the deferred money (the $35 million is paid $15 million a year through 2028) affects the net present value to a similar degree, so I decided to leave it listed as-is. Some small market teams like Oakland, Pittsburgh, and Tampa Bay could technically afford $22 million through 2021 then $15 million through 2028 for three years of Scherzer — it’s a huge but not insane part of their payroll — they would just never actually do that. So with all of those teams off the board and most of the middle-tier teams choosing to use their money with more of medium-term outlook, the market for Scherzer appears as though it would be limited. Also, he turns 34 this month and will decline at some point, even if he’ll punch me for saying that.

All that said, for a big-market contenders that needs an ace in the playoffs, a 6.5 WAR pitcher may have the impact of a 10 WAR pitcher if deployed in a certain way during the postseason. And some orgs can stomach the $15-22 million tab, regardless of how long it runs, for that kind of impact over three postseasons. A trade-value list for just the Yankees may have Scherzer 20 spots higher, but this list is for a little bit of everyone. I feel like Dave and I did the math here similarly, as I moved him down eight spots from the 2017 edition of this series, based mostly on aging.

2018 Trade Value, 41-50
Rk Pv Player Age 2019 2020 2021 2022 2023
41 33 Max Scherzer 32 +6.5
$35.0 M
+5.6
$35.0 M
+5.2
$35.0 M
42 17 Buster Posey 30 +4.9
$21.4 M
+4.3
$21.4 M
+3.6
$21.4 M
+3.1
$22.0 M
43 HM Odubel Herrera 25 +3.0
$5.0 M
+2.8
$7.0 M
+2.7
$10.0 M
+2.7
$11.5 M
+2.7
$12.5 M
44 Victor Robles 21 +2.5
Pre-Arb
+2.8
Pre-Arb
+3.1
Pre-Arb
+3.1
Arb1
+3.2
Arb2
45 HM Rafael Devers 20 +2.5
Pre-Arb
+3.2
Pre-Arb
+3.8
Arb1
+3.9
Arb2
+3.8
Arb3
46 Jose Berrios 23 +2.8
Pre-Arb
+2.9
Arb1
+3.2
Arb2
+2.9
Arb3
47 Trevor Bauer 26 +4.2
Arb2
+4.2
Arb3
48 48 James Paxton 28 +4.9
Arb2
+4.7
Arb3
49 Jean Segura 27 +3.0
$14.3 M
+3.0
$14.3 M
+2.9
$14.3 M
+2.7
$14.3 M
+2.4
$17.0 M
50 Kyle Tucker 21 +2.2
Pre-Arb
+3.0
Pre-Arb
+3.7
Pre-Arb
+3.7
Arb1
+3.7
Arb2
Pre-Arb
Arb
Team Option





Kiley McDaniel has worked as an executive and scout, most recently for the Atlanta Braves, also for the New York Yankees, Baltimore Orioles and Pittsburgh Pirates. He's written for ESPN, Fox Sports and Baseball Prospectus. Follow him on twitter.

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MichaelMember since 2016
8 years ago

Replacing the most Dave Cameron posts of all time with Kiley? Come on Cistulli and Sullivan. You could’ve been more creative or impressive. Bill James? Billy Beane? President Obama?

olivepile
8 years ago
Reply to  Michael

replacing an excellent writer who knows his stuff with another excellent writer who knows his stuff? come on cistulli you could’ve done better than this. the i’m just a bill guy from schoolhouse rock? that guy who ate beans in the theater at cars 2? president lincoln?

Shirtless George Brett
8 years ago
Reply to  Michael

As awesome as Dave was I think its actually more interesting to have a guy like Kiley do this list as he actually did this type of thing for real.

CC AFCMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  Michael

Bill Simmons just had a heart attack over you calling this the most Dave Cameron post of all time.

(Note: Dave used to credit Bill in his columns for the idea – this is not an endorsement of any ownership of the idea)

RoyalsFan#14321Member since 2024
8 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

I always enjoyed Simmons’ versions too.

Careless
8 years ago
Reply to  Michael

That’s a hell of a lot of downvotes for a pretty inoffensive joke

williams .482Member since 2016
8 years ago

For players with less than five years of team control, would it be possible to view WAR projections for their FA years as well? The combined 5 year projections give a general idea, and those years aren’t directly relevant to this exercise, but it would be nice to see the details.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
8 years ago
Reply to  williams .482

Or even better yet, now that Szym is a proper FanGraphs employee, let’s get full 5-year ZIPS for everyone posted somewhere!

Ray Liotta as Shoeless Joe
8 years ago

I don’t want to be the guy who issues corrections in the comments, but I believe that Buster Posey’s money owed is significantly higher than what is posted (looks like a C/P from Doobie Herrera’s entry).

TKDCMember since 2016
8 years ago

Meaningful corrections = good
Nitpicking grammar/spelling = bad

You’re in the clear.

BacterunMember since 2025
8 years ago

Great Stuff Kiley! Thanks for taking on the mantel (with the help of others). The FanGraphs equivalent of replacing Vin Scully.

tb.25
8 years ago

I love the mention of Scherzer’s potential market and its impact on his trade value.

This affects how teams value him – a team interested in trading for him, should that somehow become a possibility, would know that his value isn’t quite as high as someone who could end up on any of the other 28 potential teams. A restricted market lowers competitiveness in offers.

ShauncoreMember since 2019
8 years ago

Came just for the Kiley pop culture references and random quips, was not disappointed. Oh and the list is cool too.

Dooduh
8 years ago

43 and 42 came as a bit of a surprise.

Garyth
8 years ago

Is Odubel Herrera the only player to ever make this list with the team that selected them as the rule 5 pick?

vivalajeter
8 years ago
Reply to  Garyth

It depends what you mean by ‘this list’. In the first year that Dave did the series, Johan Santana was #3 on the list. But that was before he started at Fangraphs.

http://www.ussmariner.com/2005/12/05/trade-value/

mookie monster
8 years ago
Reply to  vivalajeter

good lord was it only 2005 that Rich Harden and Mark Prior were at the top of these lists?

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  mookie monster

and a pretty frightening list it was! Besides Mark Prior, a few other highly valued players busted almost immediately. Dontrelle Willis at #15 got the yips, Bobby Crosby, #19, never amounted to anything and Travis Hafner’s value vaporized completely. Caveat Emptor.

Kevin Grimes
8 years ago
Reply to  vivalajeter

Ugh, this is neat and crazy to read, I graduated High School in ’05 so the year RESONATES. But then realizing that all of these players are either retired or in shambles (or passed away, RIP Doc) realllllly makes me feel old.

Kevin Grimes
8 years ago
Reply to  Kevin Grimes

‘Age matters. Would you rather have Pedro Martinez for the next five seasons or Roy Halladay for the next 12?”

Roy Halladay ended up passing away just shy of twelve years from this post. 🙁

cubsker
8 years ago

I can’t imagine wanting Segura at that kind of money over Baez. I’d rather have Baez even if the money were the same.

WerthlessMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  cubsker

Segura jumped out at me, too. He’s due 4/56, with a team option for 17, What would he get as a free agent? Zach Cozart just got 3/38, JD Martinez got 5/110, and Cain got 5/80. Does Segura get 5/90? That’s only $17 million of excess value.

Baez and Story are both ranked lower, which I was surprised at.

OtterMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  cubsker

I think this is a case where: position matters.

Member since 2026
8 years ago
Reply to  cubsker

There’s certainly an argument to be made between them. Their defense at SS is similar, both are better defenders at 2nd. Their career wRC+ is an identical 98 (though Segura’s is weighed down by two bad years in Mil and Baez is bolstered by this year’s surge), their rest of year production is nearly identical as well 106 (or 105 for Baez) wRC+ and 1.3 WAR. Baez has been a better runner the last two years, Segura was better the three years before. They’re very similar in terms of aggregate production (even if the details are wildly different)

So why is Segura ahead? Probably the extra year(s) of control and cost certainty play a large role (a 3 WAR player should be worth 24 mil or so, so his contract is a deal even into the option year). So Segura is a 3 WAR SS at below market rates for 4-5 years. Baez is somewhere between a 2 and 4 WAR middle infielder at Arbitration rates for the next 3 years. But in my opinion, the uncertainty/track record of Baez is likely the bigger factor. Segura has been playing at this level for three years, Baez just stepped up this year. A year from now they may flip if Baez keeps up his current production.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  cubsker

I also saw Segura and thought, “whaaaaat?” He has produced the last few years, but he has defense, injury, and can-he-keep-up-the-BABIP questions that worry me.

I’m with you…I’d rather have Baez, or Story, or Matt Olson, or Candelario, or Schwarber, or Clevinger, or…

Baron Samedi
8 years ago

“All that said, for a big-market contenders that needs an ace in the playoffs, a 6.5 WAR pitcher may have the impact of a 10 WAR pitcher if deployed in a certain way during the postseason. ”

Would be genuinely interested to see the mathematical rationale for this.

Captain Tenneal
8 years ago
Reply to  Baron Samedi

SFG played 17 games (including WC) during 2014 postseason. Bumgarner pitched 52 of those innings, 3 per team game. Regular season Bumgarner averages less than 1.5 IP per team game. So an ace can theoretically double his workload during the playoffs, effectively turning 6.5 WAR into 10+.

Baron Samedi
8 years ago

I am not disputing the claim, I just want to see how teams might calculate that additional value.

Shalesh
8 years ago
Reply to  Baron Samedi

Yeah, plus using $8M/win, Scherzer’s $33.4M surplus < Bauer's ~ $35.2M* < Paxton's ~ $44.8M*. Scherzer is better, of course, and certainly more valuable in the playoffs which may be why Kiley ranks him above the other 2 despite his $105M salary liability. (These surpluses equate to a bit more than an FV60 prospect pitcher or FV55 prospect hitter, according to this: https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/valuing-the-2017-top-100-prospects/)

Using $9M/win, Scherzer's $50.4M surplus looks better than Bauer's $43.6 but not quite as good as Paxton's $53.4M. Again, the playoffs makes Scherzer the best choice.

*I'm assuming $14M & $18M for Bauer & Paxton's Arb2 & Arb3 years.

southie
8 years ago

Bauer has literally had one of the easiest schedules for any of the more elite SP in mlb this year. He is in the worst division historically and gets to avoid the only decent lineup (the Tribe). I would like to see more sustained sub1.10 whip success before anointing him just yet.

He has faced KC/CHW/DET nine times.

YKnotDisco
8 years ago
Reply to  southie

vs KC/CHW/DET: 64.1 IP 24.9 K-BB% 1.76 FIP 2.98 xFIP

vs everyone else: 72 IP 23 K-BB% 2.64 FIP 3.12 xFIP

He hasn’t allowed homers to teams he shouldn’t allow homers. Not too shabby vs everyone else.

Ernie CamachoMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  YKnotDisco

And that “everyone else” includes 2 starts vs Yankee, 2 starts vs CHC, and starts vs HOU, SEA, CIN, and OAK. If you look at Bauer’s game log, the opponent list doesn’t look all that different from Chris Sale’s.

southie
8 years ago
Reply to  YKnotDisco

Thanks that helps. 1.76 FIP vs KC/CHW/DET. Yikes.

YKnotDisco
8 years ago
Reply to  southie

My emphasis was on “everyone else” (2.64 FIP 3.12 xFIP). I wasn’t sure if you were aware of how well he has pitched vs everyone other than KC/CHW/DET.

CliffH
8 years ago

“the breadth of a player’s appeal to the league (or lack of it) is pretty relevant to this exercise”

Okay- but ultimately the question is how much return you would be able to get from trading the player, right? So I would think it is much more important what the highest value of the player is to a team or two. It only takes a couple of teams highly valuing a player to generate a high return. It’s not like most of the league is gong to be in on any one player.

Jetsy Extrano
8 years ago
Reply to  CliffH

Yeah, this made me wonder if this list is “value would actually trade for” (only need two active bidders), or ” opinions of value in the industry” (all 30 teams have opinions).

dtpollittMember since 2016
8 years ago

Just want to say thank you to Kiley for doing this. It is one of the most fun parts of FanGraphs and I am sure it is a very time consuming endeavor, so thanks!

rhdx
8 years ago

Didn’t know Tucker was that highly regarded of a prospect. I can think of a few players on the honorable mention list I would rather have and who have been rated higher.

baubo
8 years ago
Reply to  rhdx

The interesting thing is that he’s ranked lower on the prospect list than fellow Astros prospect in AAA Forrest Whitley, who also should be called up later as another bullpen arm. And Whitley was in the honorable mentions section.

So presumably there’s just a lot of value in being a hitter who can hit, whatever else still uncertain.

WerthlessMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  rhdx

Tucker surprised me, too. I guess his floor is perceived as pretty high, and he has full team control.

Lou BrownMember since 2017
8 years ago

I think Posey will go from this list to a list at the other end of the spectrum by the end of 2019. If 2018 continues at his current level of production then it will mark the 4th consecutive ISO drop, and then his zone% will spike once pitchers notice he can’t punish them.

evo34Member since 2023
8 years ago
Reply to  Lou Brown

A lot of his value is in his defense, which may or may not fall off a cliff.

Monsignor Martinez
8 years ago

I don’t know what I look forward to more: The trade value series itself or baseball anagrams.

soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
8 years ago

Ol’ Cars O’Cars Car fell off the list.
🙁
🙁
🙁

TKDCMember since 2016
8 years ago

I don’t think it is to much to ask that Fangraphs create an individual top 50 list for the Yankees, along with each of the other 29 teams. Get to it, guys.

OtterMember since 2016
8 years ago

I’m a bit surprised to see Devers on this list, or at least, over a few of the HM names. I’d probably have Fulmer, McCullers, Russell, and Taillon over him (I’d have to dive deeper before saying for sure, but that’s my knee jerk reaction). Also, interesting that Moncada’s off the list, but Devers is on it, mainly because Dever’s was red hot for a few weeks when he was called up, despite years of control and career wRC+ being roughly the same (Devers is younger and has more power, Moncada more speed and better glove (probably)).

Joey Butts
8 years ago
Reply to  Otter

At the least, the last in/first out group is bunched incredibly tightly. Andujar is another one that is minimally worse than Devers, if at all.

mikejuntMember
8 years ago
Reply to  Joey Butts

Devers is 21. Moncada and Andujar are 23.

What Devers did last year is much more impressive because of his age; he’s not tightly clumped with either Andujar or Moncada for that reason.

OtterMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

I’m not saying it’s wrong, but it’s interesting. Devers first 102 PA (all last year):
.312/.373/.613 wRC+ 153

Since then, 505 PA:
.247/.297/.414 wRC+ 86

Andujar first 102 PA (includes 2017 but mostly this year)
.296/.314/.551 wRC+ 130

Since, 245 PA:
.281/.327/.474 wRC+ 116

xwOBA 2018
Devers: .316 (it was .300 in 2017)
Andujar: .340

Now as you pointed out, Dever’s is about 20 months younger, they both have the same amount of team control (I believe). They’re both not great defenders. And Dever’s has a slightly larger sample size. I see (and agree) with Devers > Andujar because of age and I think there is more power there. But as far as trade value but it’s closer than I thought at first–and if you buy xwOBA Devers performance last year might have been misleading too. The greatest concern is probably that Devers out grows third (or cannot play it in a few years) and his bat right now doesn’t play at first.

Moncada didn’t have a hot start, but his xwOBA in 2017 and this year out paces Devers (he does trail Andujar this year) and while he’s shown flashes, he’s been fairly inconsistent. But he might end up in center (or third) while Devers and possibly Andujar might end up at first.

Anyway, this is all interesting and fun and I think one of those good problem for the Sox (x2) and Yankees.

Joey Butts
8 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

It was much more impressive, however that is not the focus of this exercise. Looking at their whole careers, Andujar has been the much better player. He has about a 20% edge in wRC+. If we ignored age, Andujar would be clearly more valuable. The age difference cancels that out, but a year and change isn’t enough to create a significant difference. As for Moncada, he also has hit better, he’s more well-rounded, and has the better prospect pedigree, so it’s a similar story.

Past a Diving Jeter
8 years ago

Kiley, I think the ages might be a year off, but I could be wrong. Worth looking into.

Spitball McPhee
8 years ago

Consider torch passed 🙂

evo34Member since 2023
8 years ago

How does the volatility of pitchers play into your subjective rankings? If a batter and a pitcher have the same average projected surplus WAR in your view, are you siding with upside or stability?

guthrm22Member since 2018
8 years ago

Seems to be some inconsistency with regard to Scherzer’s age.

AmpersandMember since 2025
8 years ago

OK, I waited a couple of days but the anagram guy isn’t here yet 🙁 In case he never shows up, I took a stab:

50. Kyle Tucker – Leeky Truck
49. Juan Segura – U Grease Jan
48. James Paxton – An E.T. Jams Pox
47. Trevor Bauer – Re: Tuba Rover
46. Jose Berrios – So I Jeer Bros
45. Rafael Devers – Deaf Reversal
44. Victor Robles – Lose TV Or Crib
43. Odubel Herrera – Uh, Rare Old Beer
42. Buster Posey – See Boy Spurt
41. Max Scherzer – Hrm, Sex Craze?