2026 Trade Value: Nos. 11-20

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As is tradition at FanGraphs, we’re using the lead-up to the trade deadline to take stock of the top 50 players in baseball by trade value. For a more detailed introduction to this year’s exercise, as well as a look at the players who fell just short of the top 50, be sure to read the Introduction and Honorable Mentions piece, which can be found in the widget above.

For those of you who have been reading the Trade Value Series the last few seasons, the format should look familiar. For every player, you’ll see a table with the player’s projected five-year WAR from 2027-2031, courtesy of Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections. The table will also include the player’s guaranteed money (exclusive of any signing bonus), if any, the year through which their team has contractual control of them, last year’s rank (if applicable), and then projections, contract status, and age for each individual season through 2031 (assuming the player is under contract or team control for those seasons, or has a player or vesting option). Last year’s rank includes a link to the relevant 2025 post. Thanks are due to Sean Dolinar for his technical wizardry. At the bottom of the page, there is a grid showing all of the players who have been ranked up to this point.

A note on these rankings: As we ascend towards the top of the list, the tiers and my explanation of them become increasingly important. Don’t get too hung up on what number a player is, because who they’re grouped with is more telling of what I think of them. Today’s rankings feature a bunch of players with roughly similar profiles, and I’ve been sure to point out the spots where I feel more or less certain about how they’re ordered within their respective tiers. I’ll note places where I disagreed meaningfully with the people I spoke with in calibrating this list, and I’ll also note the players whose value my contacts disagreed about. As I mentioned in the Introduction and Honorable Mentions piece, I’ll indicate tier breaks between players where appropriate, both in their capsules and bolded in the table at the end of the piece.

With that out of the way, let’s get to the next batch of players.

#20 — Yordan Alvarez, HOU, DH
Five-Year WAR 19.7
Guaranteed Dollars $52.0M
Team Control Through 2028
Previous Rank #28
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2027 30 5.1 $26.0M
2028 31 4.7 $26.0M

Alvarez is the last member of the three-player Let’s Go Win the World Series tier, and like Aaron Judge and Yoshinobu Yamamoto before him, he’s in rarefied air as one of the very best in the game right now. He leads baseball with a 194 wRC+ this year, courtesy of a ludicrous .328/.433/.656 line and 34 home runs. He’s walking 14.8% of the time and only striking out at a 17% clip. He’s one of the hardest swingers in baseball, and yet he makes contact at an 80th-percentile rate. He’s been slowed by knee, oblique, and hand injuries over the years — he played just two games in 2020, 114 in 2023 and 48 last year — but he’s otherwise been doing this basically since his debut in 2019. He’s the real deal, not quite Judge at the plate but in a tier just below with Shohei Ohtani and Juan Soto.

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There’s some injury risk to account for here, but I don’t think that affects the value proposition all that much because he’s also under team control for a relatively short period of time. That’s the downside of trading for Alvarez. You’ll only have him for the rest of this year and then two more, relatively few bites at the apple when you consider that some of the guys in the top 10 have a decade of team control remaining.

In a strange way, I don’t mind it all that much. Alvarez is 29 right now, so you’re getting his age-30 and -31 seasons, and then probably seeing him leave in free agency in return for a draft pick. You’re getting those seasons at a very reasonable rate of $26 million per. I’d prefer that to some higher-AAV years at the end of the deal, because Alvarez is the kind of player you trade for when you place a ton of value on the present over the future. If you’re trying to win now, you want the value you trade for concentrated in the years when you need it. He has the right contract shape for that; compare it to Judge’s, where it’s likely that the last few years of his deal won’t give you all that much value, and you can see the difference.

If you’re looking for a trade comparison, the Padres traded for Soto at a similar time in his service time clock. I don’t think Alvarez would fetch the same return, for a few reasons. First, there was some Preller premium in that deal; the Padres have been the high bidders more often than not in recent blockbuster deals for key contributors. Second, Soto might be a similar hitter to Alvarez on a rate basis, but he was six years younger and had a better track record of health. Finally, there was at least a little bit of extension equity, or free agency market goodwill, baked into the Soto deal, which I don’t think makes sense here. But that’s a good ballpark for what teams will trade in return for getting one of the very best hitters in baseball for multiple cost-efficient years.

#19 — Brice Turang, MIL, 2B
Five-Year WAR 15.0
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2029
Previous Rank HM
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2027 27 3.3 ARB 2
2028 28 3.3 ARB 3
2029 29 3.1 ARB 4
Arb

Turang is a great example of Tier 5: They Check Every Box, a collection of five hitters who give you a lot of everything. Let’s see how he fits the bill. First, there’s the offense, the most important part of any hitter’s profile. Turang’s evolution on that front has been much discussed, but to summarize: He started swinging a lot harder at the expense of some contact in 2025, and the results have been arrow-up ever since. He isn’t one of the top few hitters in baseball or anything, but we have a 1,000-plate appearance sample of him putting up double-digit walk rates, league-average strikeout rates, and contact quality that’s right in line with the 123 wRC+ he’s posted over that span.

Turang was a valuable player as a light-hitting middle infielder, but with the new thunder in his bat, he’s hit a new gear. His defense is still his calling card; as a Fielding Bible award voter, I spend a lot of time every year marveling at Turang’s clean actions, smooth movement, and range. If he’s not the best second base defender in the game, he’s not far off of it. An unending pipeline of shortstop prospects and his own success at the keystone mean that Turang isn’t likely to move to the other middle infield spot soon, but I have no doubt that he could play it at an above-average level if he switched.

That works out to a bat that would hover just outside the top 10 among first basemen, plus a glove that teams would play even if the guy was a poor hitter. Combine those two things and you get a down-ballot MVP candidate. I went looking for reasons not to believe that Turang could sustain his offensive output, but there’s just not much to see; the numbers all make sense together, and he isn’t maxing out on lifting and pulling, or even close to it, which means that there’s room for him to make adjustments to eke out more power to make up for any decline elsewhere.

Turang is 26 and will be around for three more seasons of arbitration after this one. That’s enough time to rack up a mountain of value, and on bargain salaries to boot. Sometimes I think that positional adjustments overstate the value of middle infielders. There are a lot of guys who can post an 80 wRC+ and show off some slick defense at second. But Turang does the hard thing — plus offense at second base — well, and he’s also elite in the field. The only nit to pick here is that I wish he were around for longer, which is why he isn’t even higher on the list.

#18 — Elly De La Cruz, CIN, SS
Five-Year WAR 25.7
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2029
Previous Rank #6
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2027 25 5.2 ARB 1
2028 26 5.1 ARB 2
2029 27 5.4 ARB 3
Arb

My long-time Trade Value crush — he’s previously ranked sixth, fourth, and sixth — De La Cruz continues to be one of the most electric players in baseball. In many ways, he’s a similar hitter to when he came up, with tons of strikeouts, tons of power, and a good enough batting eye to pull it all together. He’s made a number of improvements around the edges, though, hitting better as a righty and placing a greater emphasis on patience, resulting in more barrels and more hard contact than ever before. You probably shouldn’t extrapolate much higher than this – I don’t think he can ride these improvements to another 20-point jump in wRC+ – but De La Cruz has matured into one of the best hitters at the shortstop position, behind Bobby Witt Jr. but right there in a group with the guys chasing him.

Defensively, the picture isn’t quite so clear. DRS and FRV disagree about his work at short, and I think a balanced read is that he’s roughly average but trending up. He has elite range and a huge throwing arm, and he’s finally reining in his throws more effectively; he made a throwing error every 100 defensive innings in the first three years of his career, against only two in 684 innings in 2026. Finally, he’s having a slow season on the basepaths, perhaps due to a hamstring injury that cost him three weeks in June, but he’s second in baserunning value since debuting, so uh, that’s pretty good.

Contract-wise, De La Cruz has three trips through arbitration ahead of him before reaching free agency, though based on how he’s played, those years likely won’t be cheap. The only downside here is that I wish he were around for longer, because this is a phenomenal deal. He’s one of the best-hitting shortstops in the league while also being one of the best baserunners, and he can clearly handle the toughest non-catcher defensive position. The decline in rank since last year is largely about him coming with one less year of team control, and very partially about lowering the odds of a truly outlier positive outcome, which I had accounted for in my previous rankings, because powerful, switch-hitting shortstops just aren’t something I have a mental model for. All of that is to say that De La Cruz is amazing, and the main thing holding back his ranking is that the players ahead of him will be around for longer.

#17 — Julio Rodríguez, SEA, CF
Five-Year WAR 22.5
Guaranteed Dollars $144.0M
Team Control Through 2037
Previous Rank #12
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2027 26 4.8 $18.0M
2028 27 4.8 $18.0M
2029 28 4.5 $18.0M
2030 29 4.4 $18.0M
2031 30 4.0 $18.0M
Player Option

Rodríguez has been a tough evaluation for me on the past few iterations of this list. He has a lot of the traits that look right at home at the top of the rankings. He has a million years of team control, albeit at confusing salaries thanks to a complicated contract. He’s a good hitter, somewhere in the 20-30% above league average band depending on your timeframes and what you think of his expected stats. He’s a plus center fielder, though I’m worried by the fact that 2026 is his worst year yet on that front. He’s only 25, and yet he’s working on his fifth straight season of All-Star-caliber play. Slice it how you like; Rodríguez has been one of the most valuable position players in baseball for any multi-year span you can imagine since his debut.

Why isn’t he in the top 10, then? It’s because of how he gets to those results. Even though his year-end xwOBA’s are metronomic – .342, .342, .348, .348, and .349 so far this year – he gets there in the most maddening way possible. He’s streaky like you wouldn’t believe, with a career 114 wRC+ in the first half and a 153 in the second half. His plate discipline will make you cover your eyes at times. Sure, he tends to end the year within shouting distance of 5 WAR, but you might tear your hair out on the journey.

I’m generally down on players who can’t lay off pitches in the dirt. It’s just a hard thing to improve on, and along with raw power (which he certainly has), it’s the most important hitting tool in my opinion. Rodríguez’s barrel rate has declined every year of his major league career, and his zone rate is at a career low; correlation doesn’t equal causation, but it’s not hard to imagine that swinging at worse pitches means crushing pitches less often. But I keep thinking that, and he keeps putting up five-win seasons.

ZiPS thinks that Rodríguez will be one of the best 10 players in baseball over the next five years (that’s how many years of projections I got from Dan). That’s phenomenal for a 25-year-old under contact for another decade or so. Even the $30 million annual salary he’ll earn in the club option portion of his deal doesn’t feel onerous to me; the inexorable rise in revenue and payrolls means that’s already a reasonable salary for a star, and it’ll likely only be more reasonable in the future. And hey, if you’re worried that the current CBA negotiations might upend what we think of as good and bad contracts, it’s a team option, so you have all the decision-making power if the economic landscape shifts enormously (the player option he gets if the Mariners don’t exercise their side is much less financially onerous).

That line of thinking makes me feel like I should have him higher. But I have more questions about Rodríguez than I do with the next two guys in this group, and the very top of this list is extremely good this year. A tricky case, but a great player.

#16 — Jackson Chourio, MIL, OF
Five-Year WAR 17.6
Guaranteed Dollars $67.0M
Team Control Through 2033
Previous Rank #24
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2027 23 3.1 $8.0M
2028 24 3.4 $9.0M
2029 25 3.8 $15.0M
2030 26 3.7 $16.0M
2031 27 3.6 $17.0M

Last year, I ranked Chourio meaningfully lower than the industry consensus, while this year, I think I’m pretty much right on the mark. That consensus has moved down at the same time that my opinion has moved up, so it’s a notable change worth discussing, but first, let’s talk about what Chourio brings to the table.

Still only 22 years old, Chourio is working on his third straight 20-homer season and is posting the best OBP of his career while doing so, this despite missing the first month of the season with a broken hand. He swings hard, runs fast, and has a strong throwing arm. Defensively, he’s capable at all three outfield spots, probably slightly below average in center and plus in the corners, though the Brewers prefer to play him in left because they’re awash in spectacular outfield defenders.

ZiPS thinks that the key part of Chourio’s appeal is his contract. He’s projected to be the 25th-best player in baseball over the next five years, which feels broadly right to me. But over those five years, he’s going to be making a relative pittance, $13 million a year, and the Brewers have two team options at $25 million a pop after that. That’s peanuts; good bats with defensive value run far more than that in free agency, and often more than that even in salary arbitration.

Okay, now for the disagreement in the evaluations. My perception is that the industry has cooled slightly on Chourio because he hasn’t built on the form he showed as a rookie. If he’s 20% above average as a hitter and can fake center, that’s a very nice player but not an MVP candidate. Some of his value in the past came from the chance that he’d make another leap, and while the odds haven’t reduced to zero, it’s hard to claim that they haven’t declined.

I, on the other hand, doubted Chourio’s ability to lay off tough pitches. I still doubt it somewhat, to be clear. But he’s chasing less and making more in-zone contact as a result, even though he’s attacking strikes less frequently. That’s the kind of adjustment I hoped he’d make, and it’s led to him walking more than ever before. I think that without this change, high-end offensive outcomes were vanishingly unlikely. So where before I was well below consensus on his breakout potential, I feel slightly better about it now. That said, I agree with the overall view that at this point, the most likely outcome is more of Chourio playing at roughly this level, that what you see today is what you’ll get for the next many years. And what you see is the 16th-best trade value in baseball.

#15 — Corbin Carroll, ARI, OF
Five-Year WAR 21.1
Guaranteed Dollars $87.0M
Team Control Through 2031
Previous Rank #4
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2027 26 4.5 $12.0M
2028 27 4.4 $14.0M
2029 28 4.5 $28.0M
2030 29 4.1 $28.0M
2031 30 3.5 $28.0M
Club Option

Carroll is the last player in the They Check Every Box tier, and I don’t think that there’s any question that he’s the best of the bunch. He’s a plus defender in right and can play center in a pinch thanks to his blazing speed, though the Diamondbacks quite reasonably have given him a less-taxing defensive job to get his bat in the lineup more often. He takes huge swings at the plate and ropes the ball to all fields, while also walking at a double-digit clip. He’s the best baserunner in baseball, and though he’s stealing less than usual this year, he’s causing his normal base-to-base havoc and his speed numbers are as good as ever.

His contract has four years plus a club option remaining, and at bargain rates; if Arizona picks up the option, they’ll pay him an average of $22 million for the remainder of his deal. In that sense, he’s like Chourio: He’s a bargain even if he never goes fully supernova. Sure, it’s fewer years of team control, but on the flip side, Carroll’s last three seasons are each better from a WAR standpoint than Chourio’s career high. His offense looks to have a significantly higher floor. He’s a better fielder, at least per the defensive metrics, and a better baserunner. The one fly in the ointment is that Carroll has intermittently dealt with injury issues caused by the sheer ferocity with which he swings. It’s not a huge concern, because he’s turned in three straight 600-plate appearance seasons and is on course for a fourth, but it’s something I’d keep an eye on if I were considering trading for him.

I dabbled with moving Carroll higher, in fact. He was fourth on this list last year, and he’s been his usual very good self in the intervening season. He’s not higher for two reasons. First, a ton of elite players have debuted in the interim. Second, some of his value on last year’s list came from what I expected him to do in the immediate future. He’s done that! But that value is gone now, and there’s a natural pull to slide guys who are on escalating deals and performing at their presumed peak right now. I wouldn’t fault you for having Carroll higher on your own personal list. I just had to find a lot of space for new guys this year.

#14 — Cam Schlittler, NYY, SP
Five-Year WAR 13.9
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2031
Previous Rank
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2027 26 3.0 PRE-ARB
2028 27 2.9 PRE-ARB
2029 28 2.9 ARB 1
2030 29 2.6 ARB 2
2031 30 2.5 ARB 3
Pre-Arb
Arb

Schlittler kicks off a run of five pitchers in Tier 4: Dominant Starters With Team Control. I feel quite confident that these five are the best pitching values in baseball. I feel less confident about their exact order, or whether some of the top end of the previous tier of hitters should overlap with Schlittler and the next guy on the list, but here’s the key point to remember: Pitchers invariably have lower projections than you’d expect because of the risk of injury, but the best ones are still phenomenally valuable because punting the position isn’t an option. When you see that Schlittler’s highest projected WAR is 3.0, the natural response is to doubt both the ranking and the projections — he’s at 3.8 WAR already and it’s only July! But the truth is that while pitchers tend to break, teams covet them anyway.

Schlittler debuted last July and burst his way onto the national stage with two sterling October starts. He’s followed it up with a Cy Young-worthy sophomore effort, carving through lineups to the tune of a 2.20 ERA, a 2.72 FIP, and an alphabet’s worth of run estimators that peg his true talent ERA around 3.00. His best pitch is probably his hard mid-90s cutter. Or maybe it’s his four-seamer, which sits 97-98 and can touch 100, or the sinker he uses to stymie righties. Whatever variety of fastball you look at, Schlittler throws a really good one.

Out of the guys in this group, he’s the one who my team sources were lowest on, though I want to reiterate that I’m praising him with faint damnation there. Being worse than the next four guys is not so much about anything that Schlittler has done wrong. It’s just a matter of risk tolerance and projection uncertainty, at least for me. I tend to prefer pitchers with a little more variation, a little more arsenal diversity to keep hitters guessing, and Schlittler throws those three fastballs I mentioned a combined 93% of the time. I think I’m probably more optimistic that he has more tricks in his bag than the average person I talked to, though I didn’t discuss this specific issue very much. Mostly, folks just went “Yeah, he’s good” and moved on, after noting that they liked the other guys in this area more. The way I see it, hitters are the ones who need to make an adjustment against Schlittler for now. He’s blowing them away, so why would he change? If they figure out his current approach, maybe he’ll learn a changeup in the offseason or find a breaking ball to feature. But when you’re splitting hairs among such great players, it’s at least worth noting the potential drawbacks.

Other than that, there’s nothing to nitpick. Schlittler won’t reach free agency until 2032. He has elite stuff and plus command. He’s improving as he goes along. He’s only 25. It’s wild that there are four (and a half — hi, Shohei) pitchers still to come on this list. It’s a good time for elite young starters.

#13 — Chase Burns, CIN, SP
Five-Year WAR 14.9
Guaranteed Dollars $103.0M
Team Control Through 2033
Previous Rank HM
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2027 24 2.9 $2.5M
2028 25 3.0 $8.0M
2029 26 3.1 $12.5M
2030 27 3.0 $15.0M
2031 28 2.9 $17.0M

Yesterday, I mentioned which players in this year’s rankings might be considered “Ben’s Guys.” Well, Burns and someone I’ll discuss tomorrow were my sources’ guys. I thought I was high on Burns, but everyone I talked to, across the spectrum of teams and regardless of their preferred evaluation methods, wanted to rave about him. And if you watch him pitch, it doesn’t take long to see why.

The second pick in the 2024 draft, Burns blew through three levels of the minors in 2025 and made his big league debut last June. He hit innings limits and transitioned to the bullpen at year’s end, but he returned at full strength for 2026 and has done nothing but breathe fire since. He was the consensus best pitcher in his draft and the consensus best pitching prospect in baseball when he debuted. From pedigree to on-field value, he’s checked every single box more or less since the day he entered affiliated ball.

Like Schlittler, he gets a lot done with a small arsenal. He throws either a huge fastball or a hard slider 95% of the time. He flashed a plus curveball in college and in his brief stint in the minors, but he’s mothballed that for the moment, and only mixes in a changeup to keep people guessing. But man, that fastball is good. It’s a classic backspinning four-seamer, and he throws it so hard and with so much spin that it only falls 10 inches from its initial trajectory on its way home. The 90-mph slider he spins off of it seems to vanish by comparison, and it has utility against lefties thanks to its shape.

Burns is walking slightly more batters than league average, but his command looks perfectly fine to both my eyes and our pitch models. Command isn’t the draw here, though. Batters just can’t do anything with either pitch, so they’re hoping to stay alive long enough for him to leave four outside the strike zone. Burns is so athletic that I’m not alone in projecting continued improvement on the command front, and he barely even needs it.

Burns’ new contract – seven years and $105 million starting next year – is a mark in his favor, but I had him ranked around here even before he signed it; two extra years of team control is pretty great, but I’d be lining up to trade for Burns even if he were “merely” going to be around for the normal arbitration timeline. I personally like grouping Burns with Schlittler as elite performers who I think will have to diversify over time. It makes sense in my head. But the pedigree and athleticism were key differentiators for the team personnel I talked to in compiling this list, and I bet you that several of those folks think I still don’t have Burns high enough.

#12 — Jacob Misiorowski, MIL, SP
Five-Year WAR 17.9
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2031
Previous Rank #35
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2027 25 3.7 PRE-ARB
2028 26 3.7 PRE-ARB
2029 27 3.7 ARB 1
2030 28 3.5 ARB 2
2031 29 3.3 ARB 3
Pre-Arb
Arb

If you’ll allow me a brief victory lap, I ranked Misiorowski aggressively last year only five starts into his big league career because I felt that the odds of him breaking the game in one way or another were too great to ignore. I didn’t think he’d do this, though. He’s added 1.5 mph to his average fastball velocity, and he was already one of the hardest throwers of all time last season. He’s hit 105.5 on the gun this year. He’s thrown his cutter – his cutter! – at 99.6 mph. He’s thrown five distinct pitches in 2026, and the slowest is his 88 mph curveball, which, coincidentally, is the fastest curveball in the league by three ticks. If I wrote him into a screenplay, it would be rejected for not being realistic enough.

The scouting report for hitters facing The Miz just reads “good luck.” His secondaries are faster than most people’s fastballs, and they move like demons. His fastball isn’t merely high velocity, either; his loping delivery means he throws with huge extension and from a low release point, giving it great bat-missing shape, and he’s an outlier athlete to boot. He’s cut his walk rate in half since debuting in the majors, and he repeats his delivery better than anyone so big and throwing so hard should be able to.

If I had to win a game tomorrow, I wouldn’t want anyone but Misiorowski starting it for me. His numbers are beyond outrageous this year. Hitters facing the Brewers look alternately dejected and resigned when they step in against him. He’s allowing fewer barrels per batted ball than almost everyone else in baseball – and he’s also striking out almost 40% of his opponents. It’s unfair, is what it is.

I toyed with having him ranked higher than any other pitcher. In the end, I held off because now that he’s this good, the uncertainty begins to cut the other way. When he was an unknown quantity, the volatility of his profile – so big, throws so hard, etc. – was all upside. I wanted to be surprised by what Misiorowski developed into. I chased that volatility, in fact. But now that what he’s turned into is a video game cheat code, I wish he were lower variance. More to the point, I wish I had a better understanding of whether the load management techniques the Brewers are employing are going to keep him healthy.

As a final note, I think that team views roughly mirror mine here. At the very least, no one I talked to pushed back on Misiorowski’s inclusion in a cluster of the very best pitchers in the game, and when I brought his name up, everyone agreed that he might be the best pitcher in baseball right now. And that’s without even giving him bonus points for his sweet Pokémon gloves.

#11 — Paul Skenes, PIT, SP
Five-Year WAR 21.5
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2029
Previous Rank #3
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2027 25 4.6 ARB 1
2028 26 4.4 ARB 2
2029 27 4.3 ARB 3
Arb

We’re into territory that’s completely theoretical at this point. You couldn’t trade for Paul Skenes. It’s not on the table. The Pirates built their team and competitive window around him, and there just isn’t any discussion to be had about sending enough value their way to pry him free. But that’s almost always the case for the top of these lists, so I still have to order the guys, and shockingly enough, I feel pretty comfortable about both taking Skenes out of the top 10 and out of the top spot for a pitcher.

Skenes has been worse than advertised this year, if only because he was advertised as the best pitcher in baseball (including by me, to be clear). He’s lost about a tick on his fastball while the rest of the league continues to inch faster and faster. Stuff+ actually thinks his raw stuff is below average, though it’s worth noting that that model has never been enamored with his fastball or his splinker, even as they’ve been two of his best pitches.

From my perspective, though, that’s mostly nitpicking. The appeal of Skenes was never just that he had a great fastball. He’s great at everything. He has top-shelf command. He mixes and blends his arsenal so effectively that all of his offerings play up. He’s actually inducing more bad swings this year than he did in 2025, and most of his advanced ERA estimators have him roughly as good this year as last year. I didn’t want to move Skenes out of the top 10, even in a “bad” year. In the same way that Misiorowski’s volatility is a downside given how good he looks in the present moment, Skenes’ lack of volatility at a high level is very valuable to me. I have some questions about Schlittler, Burns, and Misiorowski continuing to excel, just because they haven’t done it for as long. With Skenes, I’m not worried about that.

Why isn’t he higher? It comes down to a few things for me. First, he has less team control than anyone else in this tier. Second, I’ve lowered my subjective odds of him hitting another gear and turning in numbers like Misiorowski’s, only with better command, for the next half decade. Mostly, though, I just think the next guy (cliffhanger alert — you’ll have to wait until tomorrow) is a slightly better bet.

One morsel on team evaluations here: While no one I talked to falls cleanly into the “scouts vs. stats” divide, I do think of different people as being more analytically-inclined or more scouting-inclined. Those aren’t the exact right labels, because everyone is a blend of both, but as a first approximation, it’s helpful to split people that way. The more analytically-inclined guys tended to have Skenes lower, behind Burns for sure and maybe behind Schlittler. The more scouting-inclined guys had Skenes higher, top of this tier. I don’t know who’s right, and I’m somewhere in between, but I thought it was an interesting divergence.

2026 Trade Value, 11-50
Rank Prev Name Team Pos 2027 2028 2029 2030 2031
Dominant Starters With Team Control
11 3 Paul Skenes PIT SP 4.6
ARB 1
4.4
ARB 2
4.3
ARB 3
12 35 Jacob Misiorowski MIL SP 3.7
PRE-ARB
3.7
PRE-ARB
3.7
ARB 1
3.5
ARB 2
3.3
ARB 3
13 HM Chase Burns CIN SP 2.9
$2.5M
3.0
$8.0M
3.1
$12.5M
3.0
$15.0M
2.9
$17.0M
14 Cam Schlittler NYY SP 3.0
PRE-ARB
2.9
PRE-ARB
2.9
ARB 1
2.6
ARB 2
2.5
ARB 3
They Check Every Box
15 4 Corbin Carroll ARI OF 4.5
$12.0M
4.4
$14.0M
4.5
$28.0M
4.1
$28.0M
3.5
$28.0M
16 24 Jackson Chourio MIL OF 3.1
$8.0M
3.4
$9.0M
3.8
$15.0M
3.7
$16.0M
3.6
$17.0M
17 12 Julio Rodríguez SEA CF 4.8
$18.0M
4.8
$18.0M
4.5
$18.0M
4.4
$18.0M
4.0
$18.0M
18 6 Elly De La Cruz CIN SS 5.2
ARB 1
5.1
ARB 2
5.4
ARB 3
19 HM Brice Turang MIL 2B 3.3
ARB 2
3.3
ARB 3
3.1
ARB 4
Let’s Go Win the World Series
20 28 Yordan Alvarez HOU DH 5.1
$26.0M
4.7
$26.0M
21 37 Yoshinobu Yamamoto LAD SP 3.9
$26.0M
3.7
$26.0M
3.5
$26.0M
3.2
$29.0M
2.9
$29.0M
22 8 Aaron Judge NYY OF 5.8
$40.0M
4.4
$40.0M
3.2
$40.0M
2.2
$40.0M
1.4
$40.0M
Great Controllable Arms
23 Nolan McLean NYM SP 2.6
PRE-ARB
2.5
PRE-ARB
2.4
ARB 1
2.3
ARB 2
2.2
ARB 3
24 34 Bryan Woo SEA SP 3.2
ARB 1
3.1
ARB 2
2.9
ARB 3
Spectacular, With Flaws
25 7 Gunnar Henderson BAL SS 4.0
ARB 2
3.9
ARB 3
26 Colson Montgomery CHW SS 3.1
PRE-ARB
3.5
PRE-ARB
3.8
ARB 1
3.9
ARB 2
3.6
ARB 3
27 50 Ceddanne Rafaela BOS CF 3.8
$3.5M
3.9
$5.5M
3.9
$7.5M
3.7
$10.5M
3.5
$13.0M
28 HM Andy Pages LAD CF 3.6
ARB 1
3.8
ARB 2
3.8
ARB 3
3.5
ARB 4
29 11 Jackson Merrill SDP CF 3.5
$6.0M
3.8
$8.0M
3.9
$10.0M
4.0
$20.0M
3.8
$20.0M
Elite Catchers
30 HM Dillon Dingler DET C 3.7
PRE-ARB
3.5
ARB 1
3.1
ARB 2
2.9
ARB 3
31 49 Drake Baldwin ATL C 3.6
PRE-ARB
3.7
ARB 1
3.6
ARB 2
3.3
ARB 3
32 9 Cal Raleigh SEA C 4.5
$12.0M
3.9
$23.0M
3.4
$23.0M
2.7
$23.0M
2.2
$20.0M
Good Controllable Arms
33 Payton Tolle BOS SP 2.3
PRE-ARB
2.4
PRE-ARB
2.5
ARB 1
2.6
ARB 2
2.6
ARB 3
34 Braxton Ashcraft PIT SP 3.2
PRE-ARB
3.2
PRE-ARB
3.1
ARB 1
2.9
ARB 2
2.7
ARB 3
35 Parker Messick CLE SP 2.7
PRE-ARB
2.7
PRE-ARB
2.7
ARB 1
2.6
ARB 2
2.5
ARB 3
Wait ‘Til You See Him Hit
36 HM Samuel Basallo BAL C 2.5
$1.0M
2.9
$1.0M
3.4
$4.0M
3.7
$7.0M
3.8
$11.0M
37 42 Wyatt Langford TEX OF 4.2
ARB 1
4.4
ARB 2
4.5
ARB 3
Top Prospects
38 HM Jesús Made MIL SS 1.1
PRE-ARB
1.6
PRE-ARB
2.0
PRE-ARB
2.3
ARB 1
2.5
ARB 2
39 Kade Anderson SEA SP 2.0
PRE-ARB
2.2
PRE-ARB
2.4
PRE-ARB
2.6
ARB 1
2.6
ARB 2
Value Plays
40 43 Zach Neto LAA SS 3.7
ARB 2
3.7
ARB 3
3.7
ARB 4
41 HM Michael Harris II ATL CF 4.0
$9.0M
4.0
$10.0M
4.1
$10.0M
3.9
$12.0M
3.5
$15.0M
42 Ben Rice NYY 1B 3.2
PRE-ARB
3.0
ARB 1
2.6
ARB 2
2.1
ARB 3
43 10 Ronald Acuña Jr. ATL OF 3.2
$17.0M
3.0
$17.0M
44 20 Riley Greene DET OF 3.5
ARB 2
3.4
ARB 3
45 47 CJ Abrams WAS SS 3.4
ARB 2
3.4
ARB 3
46 22 Hunter Brown HOU SP 3.3
ARB 2
3.2
ARB 3
Tough Calls
47 31 Ketel Marte ARI 2B 4.2
$12.0M
3.1
$20.0M
2.5
$22.0M
1.8
$22.0M
1.2
$11.5M
48 Mason Miller SDP RP 1.9
ARB 2
1.8
ARB 3
1.7
ARB 4
49 42 Roman Anthony BOS OF 2.8
$4.0M
3.3
$8.0M
3.4
$15.0M
3.6
$19.0M
3.6
$23.0M
50 15 Fernando Tatis Jr. SDP OF 4.0
$25.0M
3.7
$25.0M
3.3
$36.0M
2.8
$36.0M
2.4
$36.0M





Ben is a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @benclemens.

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drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
4 days ago

No beef with anything here, except maybe Miz–I think his arm is going to fall off, and soon, given how hard he constantly throws.

scotth855Member since 2020
4 days ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

You’re probably going to get a lot of downvotes and you very well might be right. But Ben can’t just value him much lower because of potential injury when he’s been nothing but healthy.

TKDCMember since 2016
3 days ago
Reply to  scotth855

I think you can. Look at the best young pitchers in 2023. How many are good in 2026? Well less than half. Banking on getting anything special out of one of these young studs in 2029 much less years after that seems foolish. I’m not sure there’s a single pitcher to which it would be a smart bet to say “he will be a top 15 pitcher in 2029” at even money.

If I were betting one v one, I’d take every position player in the top 31 to have more value than any of these pitchers (or Sanchez) in 2029. Pitcher trade value should be about the next couple of years and the avoidance of downside risk.

Joseph MeyerMember since 2016
3 days ago
Reply to  TKDC

The main reason why pitchers remain valuable in spite of injury risk is that every team needs pitchers. (except maybe the Mariners)

Scotty GMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  scotth855

Agreed. I know it’s a slightly different era, but everything people say about the Miz, they were saying about a young Chris Sale, who was/is also rail thin and looked like his arm could snap in half throwing that hard. But he went out and posted for 8 seasons before he ran into injury problems in his 30s. And, not for nothing, Sale is still looking like an ace at age 37 with that frame.

EltnegMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  Scotty G

Chris Sale’s fastball averaged 93.5 his first season as a starter, which ranked 23rd among qualified starters.

The Miz is a totally different level of velo (and thus stress on his body). Since MLB started steroid testing, no starter has been able to sit >98 for more than few hundred innings without blowing out or their stuff backing up significantly.

Brad JohnsonMember
4 days ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

I do think this is a challenging exercise because teams know about pitcher injury risk, what influences it, and, in the rare instances an double-elite pitcher hits the block, they still pay through the nose to get him.

You’re absolutely right. The odds of The Miz missing most or all of a season in the next three years are somewhere north of 50%. He does things ordinary human sinew simply can’t support. However, if the Brewers put him on the block, they could plausibly ask for any player in MLB in return.

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Brad JohnsonMember
4 days ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

Also, I can’t ding The Miz without pointing out that Skenes is showing signs of an active injury (velocity and spin decline). Any of these guys throwing upper-90s share the same risk profile, and if Jakey’s risk is slightly higher, he’s also slightly better.

carterMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

I always wonder how often pitchers just throw through things. Like maybe someone like Skenes is still pitching when maybe he should have surgery, but instead he is pitching. And how arbitrary it is. If someone says “I’m fine” and doesn’t want imaging, does a team make him? And what the limit is, if he feels this is his teams window and they are in playoff contention, well is his health more important than being a well above average worse by his high standards pitcher?

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
4 days ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

It’s true. And plenty of guys blow out without throwing this hard. I’d love to see what the body kinetics people think. And maybe the injury risk is built in here in the rankings. I don’t think most of us are in a position to understand whether/when Miz might blow out. But then, the teams don’t seem to be that good at it either, given the spike in pitcher injuries. The Brewers probably know better than anyone, and I’m sure they’re tight-lipped about it for competitive reasons.

My Lyft driver the other day was a dude who was going to go pro as a pitcher except for arm injuries. He said it’s not a case of if, but when, with Miz. Of course, you could say the same about anybody who throws hard.

TL;DR: The person who can figure out who is going to break and who isn’t, is going to make an utter shitload of money.

Last edited 4 days ago by drewsylvania
Runaway ToasterMember since 2016
4 days ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

It’s funny, I go the other way and think Miz is a notch above those other guys *because* he throws so hard.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 days ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

I guess but it’s also a bit like trading for Tarik Skubal, except you get to keep him until his arm falls off and not just until the end of the year.

And while I don’t see any way that he avoids a massive injury before the end of his team control, but he’s got so much team control he could still come back and be an elite pitcher for a year or two afterwards. Maybe not *this* elite, but still elite.

And there’s virtually no financial downside.

I think this is exactly where he was on my list (and with Burns and Schlittler right behind him)

aviariesMember since 2024
4 days ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

You can’t penalize a guy just because he throws really hard and that’s an inherent risk. All pitchers are inherently risky, guys with way weaker stuff have gotten career ending injuries earlier into their career. I’m sure he’ll be off the list if his arm does fall off, but you can’t know for certain that it will!

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 days ago
Reply to  aviaries

Oh you can absolutely penalize a guy for throwing that hard. This isn’t like innocent until proven guilty. Guys like Schlittler, Burns, and Misiorowski have terrifying injury risk.

But Misiorowski is on pace for having the best season by a starting pitcher since deGrom’s monster year in 2018. Some might even say he’s pitching better.

carterMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Penalize them in what way though? Who’s to say he isn’t throwing close to his cap in the same way that some guy throwing 92 instead isn’t throwing close to their cap also?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  carter

I am typically more concerned with unexpected velocity spikes, or other huge leaps in stuff. For that reason Schlittler is the one who scares me the most. But Miz is right behind him.

Also if Miz (or Schlittler, or Burns) is holding back then we know a lot less about what the human body is capable than we thought.

TKDCMember since 2016
3 days ago
Reply to  aviaries

You certainly can, but the smartest thing is probably for the most part to penalize them all about the same. Predicting pitcher injuries is impossible, other than knowing just about all of them are a few years away from one at best.

aviariesMember since 2024
3 days ago
Reply to  TKDC

Well that’s what I meant. I assumed “penalize (more than any other pitcher)” was implied.

TKDCMember since 2016
4 days ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

I’d at the very least have just swapped the two tiers today. I’m not big on Turang personally, but I’d take a “checks every box” position player over anything other than a truly historically great and value-contract pitcher. Sanchez I think stands out and I’m still not sure he’s anything more than just the next slot up from Skenes.

John WickMember since 2018
4 days ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

My view on this is pretty simple: every pitcher on here is a risk to blow out their arm. Skenes, Burns, Schittler, Sanchez to come. One of those guys is seemingly dinged up (Skenes), and two others had worrisome injury stuff in 2025 (Burns and Sanchez)

Degrees of risk vary, and we know velocity corresponds to injuries, so I get that generically Miz has a higher risk than the others. But individual bodies are different, and you’d have to do a lot of convincing that Miz’s injury risk is significantly higher to convince me he shouldn’t be the top pitcher on this list based on his performance this year.

MichaelMember since 2016
3 days ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

I was going to type the same thing. “soon” is debatable, but yea.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
3 days ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

Is there a correlation between velocity and injury risk?

Shon GlasgowMember since 2024
3 days ago

Keith Law posted something in his chat the other day. If I recall it was more to do with max effort than velocity for injuries.

A Salty ScientistMember since 2024
3 days ago
Reply to  Shon Glasgow

I’ve also seen that being close to one’s maximum velocity seems to correlate better than just raw velocity. As someone who loves amazing things, I really hope Miz is a unicorn and has a long career. But I can’t imagine that he isn’t close to his max velocity much of the time unless you think he’s got 108mph in him.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
3 days ago
Reply to  Shon Glasgow

This would, I think, jive with what the prospect team here would say. Easy cheese is easy cheese. I think it’s hard for me to imagine anyone throwing 101 across full starts, every time out, and *not* think “his arm can’t sustain that”.

Yer Main GuyMember since 2024
3 days ago
Reply to  Shon Glasgow

Is Max effort a culture shift, or just something that’s always been around? Another question in my mind is how valid is modeling here in 2026? Because the training data (e.g. zips comps) go pretty far back. Can you really compare one of these aces to Spahn or Feller?

A Salty ScientistMember since 2024
3 days ago
Reply to  Yer Main Guy

I think it’s a genuine culture shift. Justin Verlander averaged about 95 mph on his fastball during his prime, but could certainly dial it up to 100+. I have no doubt that he could have averaged 98 mph, but I bet he would have blown out his elbow in his 20’s instead of 30’s.

reasonablysoberMember since 2024
3 days ago
Reply to  Shon Glasgow

But that’s the thing with Mis. He’s not going max effort out there. He’s said it numerous times. It’s why he can go nine innings and still be throwing 103+ in the 9th.

There’s also his motion and mechanics. People have dissected it and the conclusion is that it’s not his arm that’s at risk; it’s his lower body.

jdbolickMember since 2024
3 days ago

Yes. A 2023 study by J Manzi, a 2019 study by JS Slowik, and a 2010 study by B Bushnell all found a strong correlation between maximum fastball velocity and increased elbow valgus torque. Contrary to the comment below, there is no evidence about max effort being a factor. The correlation is specifically with maximum velocity, and it has been a consistent finding over multiple decades of data.

Back when I was playing, it was believed that sliders and curveballs caused more injuries, but these biomechanical studies demonstrated conclusively that fastball velocity is the biggest risk factor.

Ball in Glove
3 days ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

What if Miz is this generation’s version of Verlander? Miz has increased his lower body strength and mass this season. His mechanics are much cleaner, smoother and more consistent this year because of those gains.

He enters the game throwing every FB 101+ but then he drops it down to 98-99 for as long as he isn’t in a jam. When he runs into trouble, he then ramps it back up again. That is Verlander-esque. JV didn’t really miss any significant time until he was 30 and didn’t have major arm issues until 2020-21.

Guys that are genetically predisposed to throwing really easy cheese, and have an exemplary work ethic, might just be outliers to the simplistic observation that their arms are going to fall off. Every generation has had an example of this type of pitcher…Ryan, The Big Unit, JV….now maybe Miz.

Just something to ponder…

jdbolickMember since 2024
3 days ago
Reply to  Ball in Glove

It’s certainly possible for him to be Verlander or Randy Johnson or Nolan Ryan, yet those guys are rare exceptions to the rule. While I hope that he is one because he’s so much fun to watch, I wouldn’t bet on that being the case.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
3 days ago
Reply to  Ball in Glove

Entirely possible he is that unicorn, and it would be cool if he was.

OtterMember since 2016
3 days ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

Well it’s kind of like PCA (which we’ll get to tomorrow)… if you did this at the end of April he’s not a top 10 guy, but all of a sudden he stopped swinging and everything and I have no clue what to do with him now. Maybe he’ll be a top five player the next six years or whatever; or maybe he’ll start swinging at everything again and he’s an HM next year.

Brad JohnsonMember
4 days ago

So, Cris Sanchez.

Brad JohnsonMember
4 days ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

What fascinates me about Sanchez is he’s on his fourth or fifth consecutive breakout.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
4 days ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

He was a 35+ here at FG four years ago. I wonder what changed.

kingharbaughMember since 2021
3 days ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

He stopped walking guys and started throwing harder at the same time.

A Salty ScientistMember since 2024
3 days ago
Reply to  kingharbaugh

And the change improved dramatically as well if I’m not mistaken.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 days ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

I would put him just behind the other pitchers on this week’s list. I just don’t know that his track record is enough to offset the difference in cost.

But he’s pretty amazing.

PC1970Member since 2024
4 days ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

He was the 2nd highest pitcher on my list at #11 (Miz is #7).

The contract is insanely cheap, he’s a little older so no workload concerns & due to his profile he feels less likely to breakdown. He still COULD, but, it feels less likely.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 days ago

I think you might be able to justify the tiers up until this part of the list, but they don’t work at all for those position players. The gaps between each of the players in the “do a little bit of everything” tier is enormous, where Carroll has a case to be about 8 spots higher and Turang could easily be a full 8 spots lower. These are not small differences, Turang is projected for something like 6 fewer WAR than the guy in front of him.

MoMember since 2024
4 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Rarely does the list have such an apples-to-apples comparison as Chourio and Carroll right next to each other – similar skills, positions, and contracts. Which is strange because I see a pretty big gap between the two players.

Edit – to be clear I think Carroll is the better player

Last edited 4 days ago by Mo
sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  Mo

I don’t even think that I would move Chourio. I might even move him up a spot. I do not buy the “industry consensus” that Chourio is done improving. People are way, way too likely to succumb to fatigue for guys like him. There are 43 rookie position players who are qualified for RoY so far this year based on the FG leaderboards. McGonigle, Cooper Pratt, Bryce Eldridge, and AJ Ewing are about half a year younger than him, and Konnor Griffin is something like 20 years old, and Colt Emerson is also pretty young. The other 35+ are all older than Chourio.

But Carroll is in a tier up from Chourio. He put up well over 6 fWAR last year!

TKDCMember since 2016
4 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Carroll’s placement is the biggest miss to me. Maybe I’m too high on him, as I’d have him top 5. He has a proven track record. He’s young, and his contract has a lot of value and basically no downside.

Injury risk just can’t be that big of a deal, for a guy who really hasn’t missed much time as a big leaguer over the last five seasons. Bobby Witt is arguably correctly going to be #1 or #2. He’s a career 128 wRC+ while playing elite SS defense and baserunning. Carroll is a career 125 doing the same albeit in right field. But his contract is significantly better! Another year, lower cost, and no downside risk (which is very small for Witt, it only matters if he has a career-ending injury).

carterMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  TKDC

Every time Carroll gets hurt it seems like it’s a short stint and he comes back without missing a beat. Seems to be semi frequent but how frequent can it be if he still goes to the plate 600x. Seems pretty durable to me.

carterMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  carter

And to expand on that, if this means anything, and it does to me, he’s a hard worker. He was literally working out the same day he broke his hand or whatever this year with his hand in a cast throwing medicine balls against a wall. It wasn’t performative either, he didn’t even know he was being filmed as it was from some camera phone far away. I’d personally have Carroll a lot higher. Absolutely game changing speed, good defense. Power trending up. I’d say legit chance if everything breaks right of an mvp one year if Ohtani doesn’t pitch. Pca is the wild card in all of this because he either looks horrible (2nd half last year, early season slide) or like one of the best players in the game. Seems to be little middle ground. Pca sort of seems a little like a head case to me. Don’t mean it in a bad way, I’d be one also. But he seems like he is on top of the world or really down on himself. And when he is down on himself he can have really really bad at bats

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Turang is the one that sticks out to me as not belonging this high.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

I said this yesterday but I am not buying his March / April batting line at all. And neither are the projections, apparently.

If he’s a 115 wRC+ guy and not a 125 wRC+ guy that’s something like a full win. That’s a lot.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I don’t think I would trade Turang at the deadline because the Brewers are in the middle of a playoff race. But the haul for the #19 player on this list would be so ludicrous the Brewers would at least consider it in the offseason. That’s like the equivalent of Drake Baldwin plus the Braves’ top three prospects. Or the Mariners top 5 prospects. It would be a franchise—altering haul.

I like him a lot, but that is a *lot* and I don’t think the Brewers would get a deal like that.

A Salty ScientistMember since 2024
3 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Were I the Brewers, I would totally do that in the offseason if he would bring that type of haul. Doesn’t hurt that Made is probably ready to start next season, so the Brewers could still compete afterwards.

Jason BMember since 2017
2 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I think you’re right, in that the Brewers would be crazy not to consider a haul like that, but also that there’s no way the Braves or Mariners would even offer a haul like that (which may be a point to confirm that he is high at #19)

reasonablysoberMember since 2024
3 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

He’s been at least 125+ in five of his last eight months. Usually well over.

Brad JohnsonMember
3 days ago

Yea, the bat’s real. It’s all supported, plain as day on his player page. Whatever trombone’s not buying is probably sour grapes (or some kind of anti-2B bias).

Turang is, simply put, the best 2B in baseball (with all due respect to Wetherholt who could seriously push for that crown by this time next year)

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 days ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

I’m not trying to hate on Turang, but if you buy the Zips projections you get Arb 2, Arb 3 and Arb 4 seasons at just over three wins each. The guys around him have 5 win seasons projected. If you think he’s more of a 5 win player, then he fits where he is.

Last edited 3 days ago by cowdisciple
cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 days ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

I guess I do wonder what ZiPS is seeing to project more of a 110 wRC+ going forward, since his last thousand at bats have been really good. But there was also a fairly long period where Andres Gimenez looked like a star hitter.

bigxmasMember since 2024
3 days ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

Gimenez had one outlier season of above average offense in 2022.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

I mean he’s got a career 100 wRC+, is projected for 102 by Steamer, and 109 by ZiPS. I’m willing to say he’s better than those projections but what I am saying is not even slightly crazy, especially since last year’s batting line was propped by a .356 BABIP. He had good contact quality but even so it’s hard to maintain that.

MichaelMember since 2017
3 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I guess you’re not buying his 200wRC+ of Aug.2025 or 139wR+ of Sept/Oct 2025 either.

bkalish18
3 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Carroll has been the 7th most valuable position player in MLB since 2023, he’s 25, controlled at $14M AAV through 2031, and 4 of the 6 guys above him in WAR won’t be in this list’s top 10 (Judge, Soto, JRam, Lindor)

I had Carroll as my #4 when I did the exercise. I’m stunned to see him this low and I would definitely not trade him for Griffin, Caminero, or Kurtz

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  bkalish18

I think I had him at 8 or 9, in the same ballpark as Caminero, below Griffin and Wood and above Kurtz. I can’t recall where I put Wetherholt, and I need to think through how team friendly Wetherholt’s deal is.

I suspect when I see where Kurtz is tomorrow it is going to be a near perfect swap of Kurtz and Carroll.

bkalish18
3 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yeah Kurtz is terrific, but his offense has not consistently reached the extreme heights of Soto/Judge/Alvarez and he’s a 1B only. If he had a 170 wRC+ again this year I’d understand him being top 10, but it’s a lot harder for me to put him there while he’s at a 148

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AnonMember since 2025
4 days ago

Fun fact: Carroll will likely end the year as the active leader in triples. He’s at 54 with only Trout and Starling Marte ahead of him at 55. Trout hasn’t had more than 2 3B in a year since 2018. Marte is a part-time player at this stage of his career, though he did put up 9 3-baggers last year and Kauffman remains a fantastic triples ballpark so maybe Marte stays just ahead. But it’s just a matter of time at this poitn.

There have only been 26 guys to manage 100 triples since WWII with the 2 most recent being Jose Reyes and Carl Crawford. With Carroll locked in for 5 years at the absolute best triples park in baseball, pretty good chance he becomes the 27th by the end of his contract.

AnonMember since 2025
4 days ago
Reply to  Anon

TO LATE TO EDIT*** – I was looking at the wrong column for Marte. He had 9 HR last year, not triples. He hasn’t had more than 3 triples in a year since 2022.

So almost certain that Carroll is the active leader in 3B by the end of the year.

A Salty ScientistMember since 2024
3 days ago
Reply to  Anon

I was really rooting last year for a 20-20-20 season.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
3 days ago
Reply to  Anon

And he’s 25.

AnonMember since 2025
3 days ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

Clemente has the most post-WWII with 166.

Doable for Carroll given he is cranking out 15 a year right now, but he’s going to need to stay healthy and age well.

carterMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  Anon

Also speed

Jason BMember since 2017
2 days ago
Reply to  Anon

I am willing to very comfortably take the under 166 for Carroll. It’s possible, but very unlikely (call it maybe 5%?). The combination of speed and health that has to be maintained well into a players 30s is hard to come by these days.

AnonMember since 2025
3 days ago
Reply to  Anon

***UPDATE

Carroll with another triple today. Marte not in the lineup today and no game for Trout so Carroll is now tied for the active leader in career triples.

PC1970Member since 2024
4 days ago

TKDC & myself had an Alvarez back & forth in the comments of the 21-30 list & man, they are very similar to Ben’s..even to the point where his short contract may not be THAT much of a negative due to his past injury issues.

& I had 3 guys not on Ben’s top 20 & they were all here- EDLC (who I think I just underranked thinking he had less team control), Julio- who is #22 on mine & Burns- who is #24 on mine.

Biggest difference is I had Chourio #5 after PCA, McGonigle, Griffin, Wood- I guess I’m all in on him & I LOVE the contract & some of the improvements he’s made this year.

TKDCMember since 2016
4 days ago
Reply to  PC1970

That’s funny (I also had Chourio much higher but I get the reasoning for pumping the brakes a bit).

Also, Soto didn’t really have “extension equity” with the Padres. Even if they theoretically would be a player for him, the fact that they had Tatis and Machado already locked into mega deals made that an impossibility.

I do think sometimes it can be harder to separate “who will be better from here on out?” from “who will be better during these control years?”

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  PC1970

People are definitely too negative on Chourio. The guy is basically the same age as the top college players from last year’s draft. But I cannot think of a single player on tomorrow’s list that I would put behind him aside from maybe Kurtz (who I think was back to back with Chourio on my list).

carterMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Ya I def don’t build my own lists more or less come here read the lists and comments and think from there. Chourio seems like he should be lower (as in top 10). How can people have a set fixed opinion of someone that young? I mean they are likely mostly right, but look at his age. Remember Acuna random year where he basically stopped striking out? (To a lesser extent Olson also had a random year which made me think of conspiracy theories, but they were different years…so.. )
Now if he was 28 or something ok sure, but he isn’t. He is so young. He doesn’t share the same name as his brothers (like the hopefully never mention again Franco) so we know he is likely his age. I just don’t understand what is not to like with him, even if he doesn’t get better, and there is no reason to think he can’t get better??

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
4 days ago

I also definitely disagree with the Yordan Alvarez ranking. The fact that he can only play DH and his huge injury history limits the suitors by quite a bit. He would be an upgrade on every DH hitting wise but it limits your flexibility so much that teams are just not going to give up the same sort of massive haul that most of the guys on the list yesterday would get.

I am trying to figure out which team would trade this player one for one with Alvarez, and if the Astros would say no to any of them if offered. I’m going to leave off some of the more controversial names (Merrill, Anderson, Raleigh, Rice) but you can add them if you think they belong in the 30s or 20s on this list.
-Yankees: Judge
-Dodgers: Yamamoto, Pages
-Mets: McLean
-Mariners: Woo
-White Sox: Colson Montgomery
-Red Sox: Rafaela, Tolle
-Tigers: Dingler
-Braves: Baldwin, Harris
-Guardians: Messick
-Pirates: Ashcraft
-Orioles: Basallo
-Brewers: Made
-Rangers: Langford

I am looking at this group and thinking to myself that if this group of teams—half of whom are trying to win the World Series right now, the other half of whom are in tight playoff races—wouldn’t trade these guys one for one for Alvarez, why is he above them?

And the other teams who could theoretically go for it (Phillies, Rays, Cubs)—if they could take only one player from the list above or Alvarez, who would they take? I can’t think of a single team that would put Alvarez higher than halfway up that list, and I think most would have him in the last 2-3 spots.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
3 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Lots of teams wouldn’t trade away their star for someone else’s, but that’s not the test. The test is which player would Team X trade more for between the two of them. And, of course as you are well aware, it only takes a handful of teams to set that valuation.

I could imagine lots of teams would rather have Yordan’s shorter contract than Judge’s, for example, given that they are likely to have very similar production over the next couple of years.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

Okay, then we can do it the long way rather than with the heuristic.

Let’s make a list of the teams who are trying to win the World Series right now, and that they don’t mind giving up huge prospect capital / controllable young guys to get it. How many teams are like that? Braves, Dodgers, Cubs, Phillies, and Yankees for sure. That’s the core of the bidders.

Maybe—maybe—the Pirates, Rays, Mariners, or Red Sox. But I doubt they would be happy trading away their top 3 prospects for anyone. And for the purposes of this exercise they would probably not want prefer Alvarez anyway.

Now take the list of players ahead, plus Alvarez. Which team would put him in their top 3? Even in their top 5? Definitely not the Phillies or Dodgers—DH is taken. These would actually be the most logical landing spots for Judge to be taken first. But the Phillies would also really want the outfielders, catchers, pitchers and the infielders. So, basically everyone. Alvarez would either be last or close to last out of this group for both of those teams.

I think the Braves would take McLean, Yamamoto, Woo, Tolle, Ashcraft, Messick, and Langford over Alvarez easily. Probably also Judge, Pages, Made, and Montgomery.

The Cubs would take those six pitchers first, no questions asked. I suspect they would take the catchers (Dingler, Baldwin) too. They might even take Pages and Langford first despite not having a spot for them right now, because they value years of team control a lot and two outfielders are leaving.

The Yankees would absolutely take the six pitchers, Baldwin, Dingler (I think they might take Dingler first), the center fielders (Rafaela, Harris, Pages, probably Langford), and Colson Montgomery. Maybe even Made, despite him not contributing immediately.

So who are these teams that are going all in who would prefer Alvarez to these other guys?

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
3 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I’m not sure that’s how this list is put together though. It’s a hypothetical, loosely coupled but not inexorably tied to real world team/roster situations. Teams that aren’t in win-now mode can still have “If we were one player away from a WS, we’d take___” answers, and teams who are can still have “If we needed a long-term franchise cornerstone we’d take ____” answers. And, of course, there are different answers from different FOs and from any given person here among the commentariat, that Ben has to smush together into an aggregation.

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tunglashrMember since 2016
3 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Maybe its a nitpick, but the Mariners absolutely should trade Woo for Alvarez if it were on the table. It doesnt matter what the value proposition is, they have Anderson and Sloan in the minors, 5 other decent to great starters in the majors, and an extremely inconsistent offense that is still somehow enough to have them a likely playoff team. Trading Woo in this case makes them a WS favorite for as long as he is under contract, and that by itself is 100% worth it. Is the price too high? Maybe. Can they afford it? Yes. Should they afford it? Absolutely.

carterMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  tunglashr

Year after year I’m wondering why the Mariners aren’t trading pitchers. Hell they could even trade 2 pitchers, 3 even. What other team has 7 good starters? I wonder if it has something to do w internal models on park factors where they think someone just won’t be able to hit at safeco regardless?

wiguy94Member since 2025
3 days ago
Reply to  carter

I was thinking it might be the other way around and that teams don’t value their pitchers as highly because of the park.

Woo home – 2.52 ERA, 3.02 FIP, 3.18 xFIP, 24.3% K-BB

Woo road – 4.22 ERA, 4.04 FIP, 4.12 xFIP, 15.9% K-BB

Kirby home – 3.21 ERA, 3.00 FIP, 3.33 xFIP, 21.5% K-BB

Kirby road – 3.96 ERA, 3.51 FIP, 3.67 xFIP, 18.0% K-BB

Miller home – 3.07 ERA, 3.42 FIP, 3.72 xFIP, 20.1% K-BB

Miller road – 4.55 ERA, 4.54 FIP, 4.37 xFIP, 13.9% K-BB

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A Salty ScientistMember since 2024
3 days ago
Reply to  wiguy94

I mentioned that yesterday in regards to Woo’s spot. That batter’s eye pretty dramatically increases strikeouts.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 days ago

There are just so many guys who can’t hit there because of the batter’s eye. The Mariners seem pretty cautious about who they bring in now for that reason. Lots of the players they traded for recently have had previous success there.

wiguy94Member since 2025
3 days ago

Kirby and Gilbert seem like the two guys who are less reliant on T-Mobile. Woo, Miller, and Hancock all see their underlying numbers fall off a cliff away from T-Mobile. Hancock this year has a 23% K-BB% at home compared to 11% on the road.

I’d imagine teams have to consider this when they look at the value of Seattle pitchers.

JI98Member since 2021
3 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The question is whether or not Yordan would bring back more from a 3rd team than any of the above mentioned would. Given that he’s currently on pace to have a top ~5 hitting season by a non-steroid user this century, is signed to a reasonable salary, and has a contract that isn’t a rental but also doesn’t tie a team down through his decline years, the answer to the above question is undoubtedly yes.

I’d argue he’s too low on the list, personally

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  JI98

I won’t repeat my response to HappyFunBall up ahead, but I am pretty sure if you take the long way instead of the heuristic you would find almost every single guy on that list has a higher trade value than Alvarez.

How many teams are making room for a DH instead of plugging a huge hole at the trade deadline? Especially since he makes more than almost everyone else AAV and / or has less team control than nearly everyone else I mentioned. His market would be really limited compared to almost all of those other players, and it only takes two. But I don’t even know that there is one who would put him in the Top 3 or Top 5 of the players behind him on the list.

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FrodoBeck
3 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I suppose the argument in essence boils down to “broader market, attractive to more teams” =/= “highest value to a smaller group of teams”

From certain teams, Alvarez absolutely fetches more than most or all of that list – he’s (to me, at least) definitively the 2nd best hitter in baseball, and at worst, 4th best. But that doesn’t mean he has the highest value to every team, ahead of those other guys. Situationally, 1 for 1 trades of those guys for Alvarez don’t actually make much sense, but that’s also because teams build around the guys they have which then by default makes those guys more important to them (eg Pages is a great fit for the Dodgers bc he plays center, which almost nobody else does well and hits well and is cheap, and Ohtani takes up DH and is not cheap, so they’d likely not opt to offload Pages for Alvarez bc of roster construction). But if you try to value what every single team values you can never come up with the list.

I think you tend to favor the longer control, cheaper guys, which is totally defensible. But the bid for a top 3 hitter for relatively cheap in his prime without the specter of multiple years at the end of a long, bloated contract is insanely high, to the right team. And I think that’s the approach Ben went for

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  FrodoBeck

I don’t disagree with most of this logic, except for the fact that he can’t play a position anymore. And that is way, way more limiting in reality than in the abstract. And the examples illustrate that.

It’s true that the Dodgers are an especially bad fit because they would have to sit Ohtani, but the roster construction issues aren’t just being blocked at DH. It’s also about the fact that virtually every team has a replacement level situation on their hands, salary constraints, that they don’t philosophically ever “go for it,” etc. And perhaps most importantly that the other players on twenty spots behind him on the list are also extraordinarily valuable.

Throw out the 1 for 1 heuristic. It is clear that is distracting. There are 30 players behind Alvarez on the list. Without giving anything up at all except assuming the contract (and assuming they won’t lose any players in that same draft) which team would draft Alvarez first out of those 31 players? Which ones would have him in the Top 5? Aside from maybe the Mariners (who were nominated above and that’s maybe true) is there any team that would prefer Alvarez that much over the other alternatives? I legitimately think that the Astros themselves would trade Alvarez for about a dozen of the players behind him, even with them building a roster around him.

MoMember since 2024
3 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I see what you’re saying about DH-only players limiting construction of your roster, but Alvarez is so good he would be an upgrade for every team except the Dodgers. I see 15 teams that are getting a wRC+ of 100 or less from their DH spot.

So Alvarez would a tough fit in some ways, but he’s just one guy. You can’t have a platoon situation with two DHs the way you can with fielding positions. You’re going to carry an extra outfielder and utility infielder. If you platoon your 4th outfielder with your CF or your utility IF with your 2B, you have a cheap way to build your roster. Platooning your DH doesn’t really work unless you have an elite hitting catcher – the Mariners, Brewers, Orioles, and Royals have done this recently with some success. Too many teams waste a DH spot with a 4th outfielder or utility IF.

Anyway, I am pro-Alvarez because he is just so much better than every other DH (except you-know-who).

carterMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  Mo

Tbf he is a better hitter than you know who also

compucles
3 days ago
Reply to  Mo

The Cardinals also platoon an elite hitting (aside from his current slump) catcher at DH, except they don’t use one specific platoon partner.

Anyway, I agree it doesn’t make sense to clog up the roster with two guys who can only (or nearly only) play DH. But like with the catchers, it works if at least one of the DHs in the platoon can also play in the field at least sometimes when he’s not at DH.

JI98Member since 2021
3 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

You could talk down the trade value for practically every player on the list if you first arbitrarily limited the amount of teams that would trade for him (the Brewers would absolutely be in on him, and so would at least 5 other teams you didn’t mention I can think of just off the top of my head) and then cherry picked the 3-4 least favorable roster construction situations.

Sure, in the specific cases of LA, Philly, Chicago, and Atlanta, they’d probably give up more for a pitcher lower on the list than they would for Yordan. That doesn’t mean that his trade value than theirs, because the ~dozen or so other teams that would be in on him very much would not.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  JI98

The Brewers would absolutely not take Alvarez over those other guys. I am kind of surprised anyone would think that a team that has not gone all in this decade would devote 18% of their budget to a second oft injured DH over a controllable position player. The Brewers whole thing involves spreading risk around, both over the roster and over years. They are probably the archetypal team that would prefer Dingler / Baldwin / Langford / Rafaela etc.

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maximus74Member since 2025
3 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

personally, I would definitely trade Dingler or Harris for Alvarez.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
3 days ago
Reply to  maximus74

And if the Astros offered Alvarez for Ashcraft, Cherington absolutely finds a way to make that work. Even if he has to wash dishes at Seven Springs for two millennia to get Nutting to give him the money.

(caveat: Nutting sold Seven Springs five years ago)

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 days ago

You are a Pirates fan, you know what kind of owner Nutting is! He would make the team salary dump someone else in response.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
3 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

True! But Cherington somehow found enough incriminating photos to be allowed to spend Alvarez’s annual salary on O’Hearn plus Ozuna. In this fantasy world, I have O’Hearn getting dumped to Arizona for some equivalent value pitcher and… hm… oh, something involving a three-way trade with the Rays, they’ll work it out.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 days ago

oh, something involving a three-way trade with the Rays, they’ll work it out.

…with the Rays getting Alvarez and the Pirates getting Shane McClanahan and Garrett Cleavinger.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
3 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Here’s how we clear some salary and fill the roster spot left by Ashcraft:

Astros get:
Braxton Ashcraft
Anderson Brito
Rays get:
Brandon Lowe
Pirates get:
Yordan Alvarez
Mike Burrows

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

If the Red Sox could dump Yoshida’s contract in the bargain, Tolle+ for Alvarez isn’t something you think twice about.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 days ago

So if the Astros covered two thirds of Alvarez’s salary the Red Sox would do the trade?

compucles
3 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It depends on the year as to whether Alvarez or Ohtani is the best hitting DH.

watertexas8445
4 days ago

As a tortured Pirate fan, I really hope Skenes can reverse his velocity trends. I also can’t help but wonder if the WBC was detrimental to his stuff. He was able to hit 99 in both his starts against Mexico and the Dominican Republic, a level which seems a long way off at the moment.

In general I would love to see an analysis on how the WBC has impacted players. Like it or not, playing at playoff level intensity without much of a warm up period has to have had some impact on at least some guys.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  watertexas8445

People are like “Skenes has all these red flags” and yeah, sure, but he also has a 2.76 xERA. That’s second among qualified starters!

He’s definitely pitching a little under his previous levels. But is it really surprising his ERA is worse after the Pirates replaced their all-glove no-hit guys with the opposite of that?

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
3 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I think the point was that his FB is down (more than a tick from last year). He could be just as good a pitcher as before, but losing more than a tick is a potential concern.

carterMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Take out that first inning first start of the year where people made some uhh questionable plays that aren’t errors by any normal scoring (no sunglasses) but were made like 99.9% of the time

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
3 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Good point. While his stuff may be a tick down, another factor in his results is the strand rate. In his first two seasons he also boasted a really good strand rate. This year, it’s pretty bad.

compucles
3 days ago
Reply to  watertexas8445

What if he’s doing it on purpose in order to increase his stamina and durability? He may think it’s worth it to lower his own injury risk while still pitching at well above average velocity for a starter.

sattebery11Member since 2020
4 days ago

I would take wetherholt over the majority of this list so far

scotth855Member since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  sattebery11

ok? Ben clearly would too as he’s going to be ranked higher than all these guys.

I disagree with ranking Wetherholt over Carroll and some of those pitchers, but that’s just personal preference.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
3 days ago
Reply to  sattebery11

No clue why people think this is a bad take.

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TKDCMember since 2016
3 days ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

He’s saying he would take someone who is clearly in the top 10 over guys in 11-20. I’d say if you want to compliment Wetherholt, just wait until he’s listed tomorrow and maybe add a little more color to it.

The comment seems to imply that Ben would not take him that high, which isn’t true, hence to negative reaction.

Uncle SpikeMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

I think sattebery thought Wetherholt wasn’t getting ranked at all and didn’t realize he was going to be in the top 10.

connjc
3 days ago

I should’ve probably put this on the last article but those comments are a little stale now:

Does Andy Pages being included on this list and making the All-Star team end the debate that the Dodgers can’t develop All-Stars?

(And maybe to a lesser degree Wrobleski as well since he was an All-Star)

TKDCMember since 2016
3 days ago
Reply to  connjc

I don’t think that ever ends because there will always be an innate desire for Dodgers fans to “fight” against the idea that they “bought” their championships. I think Dodgers fans would sleep easier by just saying “yes, we did, so what?”

However you want to rank the Dodgers for developing players, they are definitely #1 by a long shot in using their financial resources to acquire wins. The only other team that’s spending close to them does show that just spending money, by itself, if not spent wisely, doesn’t lead to success.

I should note that if the argument is “team x can’t develop all stars” and proving it wrong entails having a homegrown player make the all star team, well, that’s just a silly test to begin with and I don’t think it really answers the larger gripe about the Dodgers, which is that they use massive resource advantages to severely tip the scales. That’s hard to argue against with Andy Pages.

connjc
3 days ago
Reply to  TKDC

This wasn’t a debate about their spending. You’re shifting the discussion. Let’s stay on topic. A consistent criticism of the Dodgers on this website and others was they can’t develop All-Stars and now they have. So the question is does that end that debate?

fincampbell05Member since 2025
3 days ago
Reply to  connjc

congratulations, one of your 20+ top 100 prospects over the past 5-10 years is good. do you want a cookie?

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
3 days ago
Reply to  connjc

It’s not a debate shift. It’s hard to develop prospects into All Stars when there’s an All Star level free agent (or trade product) occupying the position at the MLB level. That’s not a moral judgement.

Or to put it another way, why do you care about a criticism that has so little bearing on the actual goal, which is to win a World Series?

TKDCMember since 2016
3 days ago
Reply to  connjc

No. Having a guy you develop selected as one of the 70 all-stars isn’t going to do anything about anything.

I think these topics and the feelings of Dodger fans and haters are intertwined. I’m not sorry that I brought it up. I will do it again.

Yer Main GuyMember since 2024
3 days ago
Reply to  connjc

Who are you asking? You need to find someone who held that view so you can debate them.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  connjc

If you’re referring to the idea that the Dodgers scouting and development team is overrated at this point yes, it is. I don’t think Pages changes that, he was already a success story. Him having a good year doesn’t really change that.

They’re like the 5th-8th best team in that area and you would expect a team in that range to occasionally develop all stars.

But they are also quite clearly very smart at how they spend their money and they have a *lot* of it. Which is why their roster has at least three future hall of famers and a league ace, as well as back to back championships and are favorites for a third.

samathMember since 2025
3 days ago

By my count, there are just 6 players from last year’s list left for the top 10.

Shohei Ohtani (1)
Bobby Witt, Jr. (2)
James Wood (5)
Pete Crow-Armstrong (13)
Cristopher Sánchez (21)
Junior Caminero (25)

That means there are four (!) new entrants debuting all the way in the top 10! Pretty sure that’s:
Konnor Griffin (HM)
Nick Kurtz (HM)
Kevin McGonigle (HM)
JJ Wetherholt

Last year, Cal Raleigh was the only one to make the jump all the way from HM to top 10, and PCA at 13th was the biggest riser among those who weren’t even worth mentioning, like Wetherholt.

jrogersMember since 2017
3 days ago
Reply to  samath

That’s the same list of 10 I wrote down as I was thinking of who hasn’t been ranked yet. In groups, I’m thinking:
(10) Sanchez – finishes the SP tier
Stupendous hitters: Kurtz, Caminero, Wood
Plus hitter in CF: PCA
Shortstops: Wetherholt, McGonigle, Griffin, Witt
Unicorn: Ohtani

Does Shohei drop from the #1 spot? Was the ranking finalized before he got shut down from pitching for a bit?

scotth855Member since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  jrogers

The thing is, Wetherholt isn’t a short stop right now. He’s playing second. He’s been great there, but it doesn’t always translate.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
3 days ago
Reply to  samath

And Wetherholt isn’t in the same category as PCA. PCA was already in the bigs, this time last year Wetherholt was a college draftee who’d just graduated from AA and didn’t happen to be on Eric’s list of ten prospects/young guys to watch. Which was a pretty good list, with six of the ten making this year’s list (McGonigle, Griffin, Burns, Made, Basallo; the other four were Crews [yipe], Kristian Cambpell [double yipe], Painter, Sasaki, and Sebastian Walcott).

The 2024 list had twelve from Eric, with Ben adding Colt Keith, Colton Cowser, and Joey Ortiz. Three made the 2025 top 50, Caminero (25), Anthony (42), and Rafaela (50), with Basallo joining them this year. Ben said in 2024 that it was a thin-looking list, but it really emphasizes how fast the new crew has developed, with three rookies in the top 10.

soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
3 days ago

I think there’s a meaningful “real world” difference in trade value between Skenes/Mis and Cam/Chase due to the fame component if nothing else.

They’re superstars to average fans of teams other than their own, and as such I think it would take more to pry them free.

I know Ben is doing tiers here, but this is one of the ways I find tiers limiting. I’d like to see a little daylight between those two groups of pitchers.

Uncle SpikeMember since 2020
3 days ago

I was going to say something similar but to me, there is a bit of daylight between Cam and Chase themselves. Chase is 2 years younger with 2 extra years of control and arguably the better player. I would think Burns has $20M+ more in surplus value. I’m guessing them being stacked together is more a product of the tiers and less about actual value as I would definitely take Chourio and Carroll over Cam.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
3 days ago

“I wish I had a better understanding of whether the load management techniques the Brewers are employing are going to keep him healthy.” Ben, please be honest with yourself, nobody has that understanding. Despite the gazillion ideas and theories that have been tried since the first sore arm flared up over 100 years ago there is absolutely no way of knowing if there is any “load managing technique” that might help Jacob Misiorowski continue to dazzle us. I don’t know what the average velocity of Nolan Ryan’s fastball was but I do know that he was, far and away, the hardest thrower of the ball that had ever been seen for most of the 27 seasons that pitched in the major leagues. I also know that despite every possible attempt to protect Jacob deGrom his arm has fallen off more than once. Some great fireballers last forever, Walter Johnson, Bob Feller, Bob Gibson and Tom Seaver immediately come to mind. Even Sandy Koufax was 30 before he broke down and today might have been able to return after surgery. Many others are nothing more than a blip on the radar. Karl Spooner just happens to be the one who is foremost in my mind while the others simply disappeared. Where is Anderson Espinosa today? All the Brewers are doing is lessening their chances to win by not using him regularly on a reasonable schedule. Until something is found that is shown to be effective in keeping pitchers healthy, not the wishful thinking that masquerades as a plan, just send him out there and see what happens.

bkalish18
3 days ago

So Griffin will be top 10. I guess a 70 FV is a 70, but I have a really hard time with the idea that a guy with a 102 wRC+ is above a 6 WAR outfielder controlled for 5+ years (Carroll) or the current best pitcher in baseball (Miz) who’s on a rookie contract

bkalish18
3 days ago
Reply to  bkalish18

To double click here, Griffin’s 3 year ZiPS forecasted WAR is:
3.4
3.8
4.4

Great player! Unreal projections for a 20 year old! But at those projections, he’d still be worse than anyone else in the top 20, and he’s going to be in the top 10. Hard to wrap my brain around

didaceMember since 2024
3 days ago
Reply to  bkalish18

It’s not a list of best players.

bkalish18
3 days ago
Reply to  didace

Sure but everyone else in the top 20 – who Griffin will be above – are also controlled long-term and are better than him. So even incorporating contracts, it’s hard to understand, unless your discount rate for wins 4+ years in the future is extremely low

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
3 days ago
Reply to  bkalish18

How many of those other players have both the upside, and likelihood of reaching it, that Griffin does? If he has a couple of 8 WAR seasons out of his next four, that’s practically what scouts *expect* he should do. He’s that absurd.

bkalish18
3 days ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

Pretty much everyone in slot 18 and above? Julio, EDC, Carroll have all already have 6 WAR seasons, the four pitchers are four of the five best arms in the sport, and Chourio… I don’t really get

But also we have projections for a reason. Griffin’s are much worse than pretty much everyone’s on this list. Sure maybe he’ll pop off a few massive seasons, but I don’t think his right tail is drastically fatter than any of these other guys – we’re already talking about the very best players in MLB

formerly matt wMember since 2025
3 days ago
Reply to  bkalish18

Griffin’s are much worse than pretty much everyone’s on this list.

Asking again, did you type Griffin’s projected numbers in wrong, because this is not true about the numbers you posted.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
3 days ago
Reply to  bkalish18

None of these hitters were scouted by FG as having a) the collection of tools, b) the loudness of those tools, and c) a strong likelihood of reaching the ceiling for those tools, all together, that Griffin has. With the possible exception of Carroll.

jdbolickMember since 2024
3 days ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

If he has a couple of 8 WAR seasons out of his next four, that’s practically what scouts *expect* he should do

I’m pretty confident that Griffin will never have an 8 fWAR season, much less multiple in his next four years. To reach that mark, Bobby Witt Jr. had to produce a 130 wRC+ while being the best shortstop defensively. Griffin is an average defender at best while having much worse chase rates and whiff rates than Witt ever did.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
3 days ago
Reply to  jdbolick

FG scouting report disagrees with you on Griffin’s D, and Griffin’s scouting report glows more brightly on offense than even Witt’s.

jdbolickMember since 2024
3 days ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

FG scouting reports were also glowing for Jackson Holliday and Kristian Campbell. I said at the time that those reports were wrong. The reality is that Griffin has the same issues with chase and contact as Basallo but with less power.

raregokusMember since 2022
3 days ago
Reply to  jdbolick

Let’s see how many consecutive trade value posts jdbolick can use as a platform to talk about how awesome he/she is at prospect evaluation. We’re at least at 2 now.

drewcorbMember since 2026
3 days ago
Reply to  bkalish18

You’re probably factoring this into your thinking already, but in case not, I do want to point out that cost-controlled with 2 years of league-minimum salary is significantly different than a stud at $15-$20M, even if that $15-$20M is still a good deal. Those league minimum years are a big deal in terms of converting WAR projections into value.

bkalish18
3 days ago
Reply to  drewcorb

Sure but the authors claim is that Konnor Griffin – who has a 102 wRC+ and is projected to post 11.6 WAR in the next three years – is more valuable than Corbin Carroll, who’s signed for a $14M AAV through 2031 and is coming off a 6.5 WAR season. It just doesn’t add up to me

And yes I know, Carroll’s real salary will be much higher than the AAV, but the whole point of this exercise is to evaluate what the maximum offer each guy would get, and we know that wealthy MLB teams don’t care about actual salary, they care about AAV. So Carroll has an enormously valuable contract to the Yankees, Dodgers, Mets of the world, and I believe any of them would trade Griffin for him

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FrodoBeck
3 days ago
Reply to  bkalish18

If you have Griffin for the league minimum, you can sign someone like Carroll for $15m

If you have Carroll for $15m, you must find someone at league minimum as good as Griffin

bkalish18
3 days ago
Reply to  FrodoBeck

Konnor Griffin’s AAV is higher than Carroll’s. I get his actual salary is lower, but this analysis evaluates the maximum offer a team would receive, and teams above or near the CBT threshold care about AAV at least as much as actual salary

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si.or.noMember since 2017
3 days ago
Reply to  bkalish18

This isn’t ordered by Zips projected WAR

Jewish PacheMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  bkalish18

But you can’t just go off central estimates because Griffin has wider error bars around those WAR estimates than just about anyone else on this list.

Those numbers are dragged down by scenarios where he either
a) never improves or
b) regresses
but he’ll make the top 10 for the potential of that third scenario
c) improving upon his first impression in the bigs (as a 19 year old with 128 MiLB games who’s already an average hitter projected to play a quality SS).

I love Corbin Carroll and think he should’ve been ranked higher himself but with the floor Griffin established for himself at 19 and the sky-high ceiling, it’s not hard to see why Griffin is cracking the top 10

bkalish18
3 days ago
Reply to  Jewish Pache

But those scenarios exist! It is far more likely that Griffin never develops into an all star than Carroll, who already is. The ZiPS are worse because the risk is higher, but the higher risk should also drag down his trade value relative to established MVP candidates

carterMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  bkalish18

I def would have Carroll over Griffin personally. I would say Griffin has a higher ceiling as Carroll while an all star and potential future hofer is an elite ceiling, Griffin has best player in baseball ceiling. But I’d much rather have Carroll as his floor feels higher, just without the Bobby Witt ceiling

Yer Main GuyMember since 2024
3 days ago
Reply to  bkalish18

You’re not wrong. But I think higher variance, risk/reward, on a player drives up his value, not down. If 25 teams see bust potential, and 5 teams see a future Megastar, that’s a favorable market.

Jewish PacheMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  Yer Main Guy

Agreed. Obviously every team would be in if Carroll or Griffin were on the trade block. If this were an expected value list, Carroll would be higher because his projections are higher. But it’s a trade value ranking and with 29 teams bidding it’s more likely than not that a few of those teams are buying into the ceiling and paying up for 9 cheap years of it. Those teams would pay more than the most motivated Carroll buyers, even with Carroll’s higher floor and resulting higher projections

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formerly matt wMember since 2025
3 days ago
Reply to  bkalish18

Even as a Pirates fan, I agree with you that Carroll should be ahead of Griffin. But the 3-year WAR you just gave is higher than for two of the six hitters ranked 11-20 and three of the four pitchers (not counting Alvarez, whose three-year projection is certainly higher but he’s only under control for two).

The players 11-50 projected for more than 11.6 three-year controlled WAR who aren’t already making eight figures:
Skenes
EDLC
Langford (!)
Harris (!!)

Raffaela is exactly at 11.6 projected WAR, and Carroll isn’t well into eight figures. His total contract including the option is around the same money as Griffin’s, but Griffin’s runs for three more years.

The issue with Griffin is he hasn’t hit those projections yet, he’s hurt, and his defense has graded out worse than advertised at least by OAA. On the other hand, split out his performance since he turned 20 and you can see why his trend lines might go up.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  bkalish18

But he’s under team control for a lot longer than that and the tools / scouting / minor league performance / data suggests he’s got a chance to be the best shortstop of all time not named Bobby Witt or Cal Ripken. I think you can make an argument for him to be, say, #9 or #10. Effectively tied with Wetherholt. But he definitely belongs there, and I don’t think there’s a single player who has been listed so far who has a case to be above him except Carroll, Misiorowski, or Skenes.

jdbolickMember since 2024
3 days ago
Reply to  bkalish18

I concur, mostly because I don’t think Griffin was ever a true 70. I have never loved his defense and he has a lot of the same issues at the plate as Basallo. They have nearly identical rates of chase as well as missing pitches inside the strike zone, but Big Sam has considerably more power. It’s odd to see people say that Basallo was ranked too highly and then put Griffin in their top 10 when he’s making $73 million more for one additional season.

nl92Member since 2020
3 days ago

So Nico Hoerner didn’t even make honorable mention? Is that mostly due to the extension?

warpath
3 days ago
Reply to  nl92

Probably the contract + age, yeah. The age seems particularly relevant for a guy whose main value is in contact ability, baserunning, and defense. The latter half of that contract would end up being rough.

carterMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  warpath

Also until like two weeks ago he has been bad bad at the plate

Kenneth KitchinMember since 2020
3 days ago

The Wetherholt/McGonigle/Griffin group should be fun

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
3 days ago

I’m guessing that’s the order, from the bottom up. I might put McGonigle first because he’s out of the gate faster (and Wetherholt last because he’s older) but Griffin isn’t out there pulling a Baldelli so I’m sure plenty of people would take him first.

PC1970Member since 2024
3 days ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

McGonigle’s plate discipline/bat control is insane. To have more BB than K’s in his age 21 season as a rookie is nuts.

If he develops a little more power to end up a 25 HR guy that is a helluva combo.

that said, Griffin’s ceiling is so high..He could be Bobby Witt. McGonigle doesn’t have that gear.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
3 days ago
Reply to  PC1970

If he can turn into a consistent 25 HR guy then he’s become Mookie Betts

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
3 days ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

More like 30 HR, I think, but I’m probably nitpicking.

If you go by FG’s scouting grades, Griffin’s ceiling is freaking A-Rod.

jdbolickMember since 2024
3 days ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

If you go by FG’s scouting grades, Griffin’s ceiling is freaking A-Rod.

Remember that Jackson Holliday was listed as a 70 in the 2024 Top 100. Eric is my favorite prospect analyst but in recent years he’s had a tendency to give unreasonably high grades to particularly hyped prospects. I remember Kristian Campbell going from a FV 55 at the end of season rankings for 2024 to being a preseason 2025 FV 60.

Konnor Griffin is certainly better than Jackson Holliday, but he is not a 70. He doesn’t have the ceiling in power, plate discipline, or fielding of Alex Rodriguez.

bkalish18
3 days ago
Reply to  jdbolick

Also in retrospect, ARod would obviously be an 80, right? Fangraphs says a 70 FV is a 5-7 win player, which is great, but also what McGonigle and Wetherholt are already on pace to do this year

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  bkalish18

A-Rod was considered one of the best prospects of all time, along with Griffey and Harper, and probably another handful of guys I’m forgetting.

The steroid stuff makes all retrospectives complicated, so I’m not diving into that. But that’s the 80-grade tier of prospect right there.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
3 days ago
Reply to  jdbolick

What source(s) are you using to dispute Eric’s grade of Griffin?

jdbolickMember since 2024
3 days ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

I’m using my opinion as someone who covered prospects for a small magazine from 2001 through 2023. That same opinion said that Eric was too high on Jackson Holliday and Kristian Campbell. That same opinion said that Dan Farnsworth was too high on Andrew Benintendi and Yoan Moncada while not high enough on Rafael Devers.

Past accuracy doesn’t mean that I will end up being correct about Konnor Griffin or Kade Anderson, but it means that there is some reason to believe that I might be.

raregokusMember since 2022
3 days ago
Reply to  jdbolick

“I’m using my opinion as someone who covered prospects for a small magazine from 2001 through 2023”

You can’t actually think this gives you any more credibility than any other commenter in this thread lol

jdbolickMember since 2024
3 days ago
Reply to  PC1970

that said, Griffin’s ceiling is so high..He could be Bobby Witt. McGonigle doesn’t have that gear.

Griffin has no chance of becoming Bobby Witt. His defense is nowhere even remotely close and he’s worse as a hitter. A more realistic comparison is Elly De La Cruz, but De La Cruz is a better defender with better strike zone judgment.

McGonigle is a Mookie Betts regen. I have zero doubt whatsoever that he ends his career with significantly more fWAR than Griffin.

carterMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  jdbolick

Would anyone have said Bobby Witt could have become future Bobby Witt? He had a 294obp his first season and for that time struck out too much and walked too little. There was zero reason to think he would ever have a 10.5 war season. Sure that can be said for everybody though, but Griffin looks better than Witt did when he broke in, is younger and graded out as a better prospect to.

20longyearsMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  carter

This. Witt posted a 98 wRC+ in his first season. Griffin is at 102, which sounds negligible–except Griffin is just 20 and Witt was 22. (Witt also posted negative defensive value in that year.)
It’s far from a given that Griffin will attain Witt’s level, but dismissing the possibility is just silly.

jdbolickMember since 2024
3 days ago
Reply to  carter

Griffin looks better than Witt did when he broke in

No, he doesn’t, which is precisely my point. Griffin’s O-Swing% and Z-Contact% are both significantly worse than Witt’s numbers as a rookie. Worryingly, his Swinging Strike% is dramatically worse. There’s a big difference between striking out 21.4% of the time and striking out 26.3% of the time.

Witt’s struggles in 2022 were against fastballs and I wasn’t concerned about that because he had the plus bat speed to adjust. Griffin’s struggles in 2026 are against sliders and changeups. He doesn’t seem to have a good sense of the strike zone, which is a much more difficult thing to fix. It’s not impossible, I’m just less optimistic that he will overcome those flaws than I was about Witt.

graded out as a better prospect to.

Not to me, as I have been expressing doubts about Griffin for a while now. I don’t think he will ever be a plus defender at short, although he would be in center, and his chase bothers me. He’s still an amazing talent, and being another Elly De La Cruz is a fine outcome. I just don’t see any scenario in which he becomes another Witt. I don’t think he has that kind of ceiling.

carterMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  jdbolick

That’s sort of the point, though. There was basically no scenario where Bobby Witt became who he is now either. I don’t have it in front of me but this is certainly the 99% outcome. Lower prospect, bigger question marks. And yes being Cruz would be a fine outcome, a good one even. That doesn’t mean Griffin doesn’t have a better chance of becoming current Witt than Witt had of becoming Witt, if that makes any sense. Griffins ceiling was/is ARod. That is a ceiling no one has. One can argue Witt exceeded his.

jdbolickMember since 2024
3 days ago
Reply to  carter

That’s sort of the point, though. There was basically no scenario where Bobby Witt became who he is now either. 

That’s definitely not true. Witt hit 33 home runs during his final minor league season and was a plus defender. The only question was his hit tool.

Griffins ceiling was/is ARod.

No, it isn’t. He’s not even remotely close to that sort of ceiling. As a hitter, he has the same chase and contact issues as Basallo but with less power. And in the field, he’s nowhere near as agile as Witt has always been.

Note that Konnor Griffin didn’t even make Eric’s 2025 top 100. Back then he wrote that Griffin was “a turbocharged power/speed prospect with potential contact issues and an unclear defensive fit.”

By contrast, Witt was ranked 19th in 2021 and was described thusly: “There are going to be some strikeouts but Witt is a big, athletic specimen who is very likely to not only stay at shortstop but be quite good there.

warpath
3 days ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

I’d pretty easily take McGonigle over Wetherholt just because he seems like comfortably the better hitter right now and going forward. The fWAR is only close because Wetherholt is putting up bonkers FRV numbers right now, but I’m less sure that will continue.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 days ago

I think McGonigle is a strong candidate for #1. I had Witt, PCA, McGonigle, Ohtani in that order but I think you could order those four any number of ways and it would make sense by different criteria.

I had Griffin at #5 I think but you could make a case for him and Wetherholt in the same tier further back. I can’t see any way to put Griffin and Wetherholt in the same bucket as McGonigle, who–if he never gets better but doesn’t suffer serious injury over the next seven+ years–will give his team 48 fWAR over the life of the contract. This kid is for real, like Jose Ramirez levels of “for real”.

68FCMember since 2020
3 days ago

Regarding Julio’s defense, the numbers are down this year essentially because of 5 plays that were all early in the season. He had two little flares that popped out of his glove and there was a triple against the wall that was up there forever that he misread/the wind caught it. All three had 95%+ catch probability and put him in a hole statistically that he has been slowly climbing out of. Definitely earned negative plays, but they don’t seem indicative of defensive decline going forward.

The other two were both balls where according to statcast he had to cover about 33 feet in about 3.3 seconds. One he trapped on the slide after taking a poor route to the ball, the other he played on a hop 10+ feet from the ball. I think there may have been a data error in his starting position on the second one given how little difference he appeared to have covered. There isn’t an angle that shows the beginning of the play, so it’s possible he just got an extremely late jump.

billybonds
3 days ago

Big big fan of the pitching group being outside of the top 10. I think that’s perfect. Just not sure where the place C Sanchez.

Chourio ended up as my #1 mostly due to age and contract. I just think that contract is unbeatable honestly with almost no downside.

jb1205Member since 2022
3 days ago

It’s interesting comparing Schlittler and Burns, who are in the “Dominant Starters with Team Control” to McLean, ranked about 10 spots higher. They each have 150-200 innings for their careers so far, with similar career FIP (Schlittler 3.10, Burns 3.14, McLean 3.2). xFIP actually has McLean first, at 3.17 for his career– ahead of Schlittler at 3.28 and Burns at 3.33.

Schlittler and Burns have really benefitted from an actual ERA far below their FIP this season– 2.20 vs 2.72 for Schlittler, 2.42 vs 3.34 for Burns– but McLean is almost dead on, with a 3.34 actual ERA, a 3.30 FIP, and a 3.34 xFIP.

As a Mets fan, my gut reaction is that McLean belongs in the same tier– but also maybe that Schlittler and Burns should be ranked closer to 20 and not in the same tier as Misiorowski for now. It just seems like there should be a bit more separation between Miz and those two.

mattMember since 2023
3 days ago
Reply to  jb1205

I think McLean and Burns belong in same tier but Schlitter a good tier higher. Schlitter’s chase rate this year has totally changed his profile, he doesn’t need to be around the zone as much

Chase rates in 2025
4 Seamer: 30.7
Sinker: 34.2
Cutter: 23.4
Curveball: 26
Slider: 12.5

Chase rates in 2026:
4 Seamer: 37.8 (utterly absurd for a 4 seamer)
Sinker: 33.3
Cutter: 34.2
Curveball: 31.3
Slider: 17.4

jb1205Member since 2022
3 days ago
Reply to  matt

It’s nice for Schlittler that he improved his chase rate; but that does not automatically make him a tier higher than Burns or McLean. Schlittler’s numbers were fantastic to start the season, but they have cooled off quite a bit, while McLean’s are trending up. I’m not arguing that he hasn’t had a better season thus far; but there’s another third of the season left and it will be really interesting to see how the three all compare at the end of the season.

There are arguments you can make for all three in terms of upside– Burns is the youngest, McLean has only been a full-time pitcher since last year, etc.

Willians Astu-stu-studilloMember since 2020
3 days ago

Is there much of a history of starting pitchers dominating off of fastballs and little else – like Schlittler – but then losing effectiveness because they couldn’t come up with secondaries? It feels far-fetched, but I would need to see the data. I’m sure you could get half an article out of it.

hans
3 days ago

Great point. We’ve already seen a few starts where he had his different fastballs crushed and needed to throw much more curveballs to throw them off.

carterMember since 2020
3 days ago

Lance Lynn was quite good for a while, but I think it was more his fastball lost effectiveness.

Willians Astu-stu-studilloMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  carter

I am now shocked that late-career Bartolo Colon only had one really good year.

Sonny LMember since 2017
3 days ago

Had my first visceral reaction (100 players into the exercise amazing work Ben) but I’ve turned it over in my head a few times and have come around to “I get it even if it’s not my preference.”

Seeing Carroll directly behind Schlittler zapped me out of my seat. My first thought was if AZ called NY offering that trade straight up Cashman would fax the paperwork into the MLB office immediately before they could reconsider. But! I kind of see it now even if I do think the two teams both would and absolutely would not make this trade based on their current situation (which is not the point of this exercise).

The hairs they’re getting too fine to split in the top 15!

boycottsidneysweeney
3 days ago

I wonder who will be in the top 10

billybonds
3 days ago

My prediction: 1. Ohtani, 2. Witt, 3. Wood, 4. PCA, 5. Junior C, 6. Kurtz, 7. McGonigle, 8. JJ Wetherholt, 9. K Griffin, 10. C Sanchez.

boycottsidneysweeney
3 days ago
Reply to  billybonds

No cags? Junior c has bad d, bad shape, etc

balfondMember since 2018
3 days ago

As a Mariners fan: Incredible summary of JRod. Every 5 WAR season he gives us feels bittersweet because he has the tools for true superstardom but never seems to realize that potential.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
3 days ago
Reply to  balfond

Balfond, your comment describes my position on JRod closely. He is, undoubtably, a very good player but why isn’t he today’s version of Willie Mays.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

He reminds me of Dale Murphy…except that Murphy didn’t break out until he was around Rodriguez’s age now.

Not going to be Willie Mays because who is? But if he’s hitting like peak Dale Murphy over his late 20s I think he’s actualized his potential.

warpath
3 days ago

So, is this a good place to put who we think will be #1 on the next list?

My money is on Kevin McGonigle. Already great with very stable and non-volatile skills, only 21, under team control forever at a reasonable rate.

But I could see it being Bobby Witt Jr, who is maybe the most bankable MVP-level talent in the league over the next few years while under control at a high, but not exorbitant, price.

Shohei would be the only other one I’d consider a serious possibility, but he is one of the toughest players to rank on this list in general. Everybody else left has too many flaws in my opinion

boycottsidneysweeney
3 days ago
Reply to  warpath

It won’t be mcgonigle. Defense average,short height, lack of power,. Teams starting to figure him out a little

warpath
3 days ago

I don’t really think he’s been figured out at all? He started out scorching hot (165 wRC+ in March/April), came back to earth in May (90 wRC+), then followed that up with a great June (142 wRC+), and is having a plenty good July (128 wRC+).

To me he is already Juan Soto with much lesser power but better defense, which is a damn good player.

carterMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  warpath

Uhh already Juan Soto? I love McGonigle and his defense helps, but he certainly isn’t Soto.

warpath
3 days ago
Reply to  carter

Maybe Soto-lite is a better moniker, but he’s the hitter I’m most reminded of when watching McGonigle. It’s a lofty comparison and I don’t make it lightly, but Soto is the last time I remember a hitter this young being so in command of at-bats at the plate.

The power is the main difference, and it’s a definitely a big difference, bigger than the difference in defense.

billybonds
3 days ago
Reply to  warpath

I think Ben’s top 3 is Ohtani, Witt, and Wood. If I had to predict his selection, I’d guess in that order.

EltnegMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  warpath

Konnor Griffin is 2 years younger with vastly superior raw tools. They’re both locked up for the next 8 years, even as great as McGonigle’s been it’s a pretty easy pick to take Griffin for the extra $10mm.

warpath
3 days ago
Reply to  Eltneg

I don’t know if it’s that easy, friend. The gap between the current performance isn’t small. McGonigle also has the profile-stabilizing factor of elite plate discipline, which is maybe the one thing Griffin lacks that could be his Achilles’ heel despite being tooled up.

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jdbolickMember since 2024
3 days ago
Reply to  Eltneg

I have the exact opposite opinion, as I would take McGonigle over Griffin without any hesitation whatsoever. In fact, I don’t think it’s even close.

boycottsidneysweeney
3 days ago
Reply to  Eltneg

Tools are for fixing things. Konnor hasn’t proved nothing

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  warpath

Those three would be my guess. PCA has a shot but the more I think about it the more I think it’s unlikely. He’s not under team control for as long as McGonigle and I don’t think anyone thinks he’s going to repeat this year, while another 8+ win season for Witt seems totally possible.

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darren
3 days ago

That works out to a bat that would hover just outside the top 10 among first basemen, plus a glove that teams would play even if the guy was a poor hitter. Combine those two things and you get a down-ballot MVP candidate. 

Does it? First, maybe this is splitting hairs, Turang’s 123 wRC+ would rank around #15-16 among first basemen this year (min. 200 PA). Second, and more importantly, that combination sounds more impressive than it really is. It sounds like a superstar, but in fact, it’s a combination that resulted in 4.4 WAR, and projects for about 4.9 WAR this year. That’s a borderline All-Star and for 3 arb years, that would be very valuable.

The problem is that ZIPS projects him to be a low-3 WAR guy for the next three years. Even if he’s a little better, he seems ranked awfully high. I’d put him closer to Baldwin, Pages, and Langford.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
3 days ago

It’s amazing that the first ten picks of the 2024 draft already have three of the top 10 trade value players, plus number 13.

boycottsidneysweeney
3 days ago

Do you think kurtz deserves it, or he is highly overrated because of home/road splits. + Bad shape

formerly matt wMember since 2025
3 days ago

I don’t know nothing about nothing, really, but my spidey sense says Kurtz should be lower and Carroll higher. Still, pretty good look for the class of ’24.

Another fun fact: The first round of the ’24 draft already has more bbWAR than the first round of the ’22 draft–even if you only count positive-WAR players. More than half the WAR in the ’22 first round comes from Zach Neto.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 days ago

The 2023 and 2024 draft are going to go down in history. Both of those drafts were absolutely loaded.

Antonio BananasMember since 2026
3 days ago

What would it look like if the Pirates did trade Skenes? They’re not very deep, he’s going to break arbitration records, and they have 3 years left when they’re currently 3 games over .500 (run differential looks better).

Could they get a bunch of Rays style 2.5+ WAR players who occasionally pop for 4 WAR? With better financial flexibility. Wouldn’t that raise their floor and extend the window?

maguroMember since 2016
3 days ago

Unfortunately, Ben has been really bad at trading veterans for prospects.

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
3 days ago

Not to be rude, but that sounds like a terrible idea and one the last regime employed a decade ago with the Gerrit Cole deal. They tried to trade a quarter for five nickels and it didn’t work.

If they trade Skenes to LA, it should be for something like Pages/Sirota/Sheehan. It’s gotta be big prospects and good, verging on very good, young players.

Antonio BananasMember since 2026
3 days ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

The idea of “trade Skenes for several productive players” is the gist of the idea. Which I dont think is bad. Mix of high floor guys and high upside.

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formerly matt wMember since 2025
3 days ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

And “currently 3 games above .500 with better peripherals than that” is when you should be trying to get better and make the playoffs, not dump your best player for a chance at being three games above .500 in 2030.

Sonny LMember since 2017
3 days ago

I don’t see a version of the Pirates that can win a pennant without Skenes winning 2 games himself every series.

Antonio BananasMember since 2026
2 days ago
Reply to  Sonny L

How often has that adage held true?

2021 ATL’S top pitcher was Fried, 11th in WAR

2022 HOU’s was Verlander at 7

2023 TEX had Eovaldi who was outside the top 10

2024 LAD Glasnow was top 5 WAR

2025 LAD had no one in the top 5 of pitcher WAR.

The “we need an ace” isnt really a prerequisite to winning in the playoffs. Obviously, it helps, but Id rather have 4 pitchers in the 3-4 WAR area than 1 guy at 7.

Skenes is a lot of eggs in one (soon to be) expansive basket. And a basket that could come unraveled at any moment.

What would it take for Skenes?

slz
3 days ago

I’d have Griffin significantly lower than all these players. He’s still a prospect really in my mind, granted a very good one, but I guess we’ll save the further discussion for tomorrow.

The most interesting part of this list is the pitchers. I could offer some comments on Turang and Carroll but nothing particularly notable.

Where I came down on the top pitchers was 1.Skenes 2. Miz 3. Cris ….4. Cam…Then Burns down with McLean

Ultimately, I think most orders are fair but I have a hard time getting to Cris 1. Maybe he deserves it, it’s just hard to get there in my mind. At the end of the day in just about every sport, the biggest and fastest usually wins at the very top of the sport. Everyone who is great usually has everything else you need to succeed and that’s where just being bigger, faster, stronger gives you that final advantage. The only scenario where it arguably hasnt is QB in Football and attacking midfielder in the other Football. Does the combo of LHP, reliability and contract get Cris there? For me, no

I think maybe part of the play here is the idea that these other guys are going to break and Sanchez wont. Are we sure that’s true? It’s like how there are a bunch steroid guys who were shrimpy middle infielders. They push just as hard as the top guys to even get into the picture

Compare the pitchers to the last generation. Miz has inherited the mid-career deGrom crown of Icarus flying close to the sun. Except deGrom was Icarus – he constructed the wings and flew up there and burned up. Miz was born with Wings and he’s flying on top of the sun. Is he going to burn up too? Probably, but I mean, it’s going to be damn spectacular until he does. Skenes is Cole, I guess, but 10% better. Cris I suppose is Fried, if Fried just got 10% better every season.

But here’s the thing. Yeah, deGrom’s been hurt. Cole and Fried have been too!

I just think every pitcher is going to get hurt. Maybe you knock Miz a little more (I have him behind Skenes for that reason and that Paul’s got the touch more track record) because what he does seems impossible but I cant knock him more than that.

I didnt really know what to do with Schlittler. The profile is not my favorite. But you could argue he’s having as good a year as anyone and has as much control as anyone. I guess the three fastballs is a bit reminiscent of when the knock on Gausman was he only had two pitches, when he only needed two pitches. But his season this year is going to be better than any year of Gausman’s. The simplicity of Gausman’s repertoire also arguably is a contributor to how reliably he posts. So I guess I’m settling on his placement is fair

carterMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  slz

Degrom now is still damn good when on the mound. I’d love to see him in the playoffs, because you can tell he is leaving something in the tank.

Sanchez has had some very weird outings this year. Like the time he got rocked which is bound to happen, but then also a lot of early season outings where his era was much lower than his whip. There were more base runners than you’d expect. So I agree that to me I’d take the guy with the overpowering stuff. Miz right now is the closest we have seen to peak deGrom or that second half+ playoffs Cole one year. He doesn’t look hittable at all. He is going to get hurt, but so will everyone else.

carterMember since 2020
3 days ago
Reply to  carter

I’d personally go Miz big gap..:: Sanchez Schittler Skenes but can’t fault someone for thinking otherwise. Skenes has been dominant but something is different and his stuff has gotten worse basically since debuting even if the numbers didn’t

warpath
3 days ago
Reply to  slz

I’m with you on Griffin. He has massive talent but hasn’t proven a whole yet other than that he is a great athlete out there. I want to see the swing decisions, defensive polish, and MLB contact quality progress a little before I put him with the big boys.

Not to mention, he’s currently on the 60-day IL. Now, you’d be trading for him for the many years of the future, not just this year, but his inability to really contribute this season has to knock him at least every so slightly in a “trade value” ranking.

Everybody else in the list from today and from the likely list tomorrow, you could trade for and expect at least borderline All-Star level production to finish out the season. With Griffin, if and when he does return this season, it’s far from certain you’d be getting that. I don’t know where I’d put him on this list, but he’s a rough sell for me against any of these others guys in the top 20.

boycottsidneysweeney
3 days ago
Reply to  slz

Griffin is highly overrated.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
2 days ago

If I may be so bold, I would like to take a victory lap over my pre-season Brice Turang prediction. This came from Dan’s Boom or Bust column on 3/20. “But Dan, Turang already had a boom season last year! He did, but I think there’s actually more in his bat. He added an absurd amount of velocity to his swing in 2025 — four mph from his 2024 level — and the result was a hard-hit rate that jumped a shocking 60%. And you saw the approach become more and more power-centric as the season went on; in the second half of the season, he pulled the ball in the air with more loft and hit 12 home runs in 63 games. So I don’t think a 25-homer season, about 10 more than the most bullish projections expect, would be a weird result.” He was placed 8th at the time and I responded with this, “I enjoy Dan’s analysis systems very much and give them considerable weight in my valuations and it is always nice to see that his valuations often agree with mine. I point here to Brice Turang who I rated as the second best 2nd baseman for the very reason Dan puts forth. If he does hit for the power that we foresee then it is difficult not to put him near the very top of players at the 2nd base position.” He hit #15 today in fact. Marte’s mediocre season puts Turang at or near the top as of now. Wetherholt is looming as a challenger but he needs to continue to play at this high level a little longer before he surpasses Turang.