2025 Trade Value: Nos. 31-40

As is tradition at FanGraphs, we’re using the lead-up to the trade deadline to take stock of the top 50 players in baseball by trade value. For a more detailed introduction to this year’s exercise, as well as a look at the players who fell just short of the top 50, be sure to read the Introduction and Honorable Mentions piece, which can be found in the widget above.
For those of you who have been reading the Trade Value Series the last few seasons, the format should look familiar. For every player, you’ll see a table with the player’s projected five-year WAR from 2026-2030, courtesy of Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections. The table will also include the player’s guaranteed money, if any, the year through which their team has contractual control of them, last year’s rank (if applicable), and then projections, contract status, and age for each individual season through 2030 (assuming the player is under contract or team control for those seasons). Last year’s rank includes a link to the relevant 2024 post. Thanks are due to Sean Dolinar for his technical wizardry. At the bottom of the page, there is a grid showing all of the players who have been ranked up to this point.
One note on the rankings: Particularly at the bottom of the list, there isn’t a lot of room between the players. The ordinal rankings clearly matter, and we put them there for a reason, but there isn’t much of a gap between, say, the 38th-ranked player and the guy who would have been 58th if the list went that deep. The magnitude of the differences in this part of the list is quite small, though it picks up around no. 30, as I’ll discuss today. Several of the folks I talked to might prefer a player in the Honorable Mentions section to one on the back end of the list, or vice versa. I think the broad strokes are correct, and this is my opinion of the best order, but with so many players carrying roughly equivalent value, disagreements abounded. I’ll note the places where I disagreed meaningfully with the people I spoke with in calibrating this list, and I’ll also note players whose value was the subject of disagreement among my contacts. As I mentioned in the Introduction and Honorable Mentions piece, I’ll also indicate tier breaks between players where appropriate, both in their capsules and in the table at the end of the piece.
With that out of the way, let’s get to the next batch of players.
| Five-Year WAR | 13.4 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | $189.0M |
| Team Control Through | 2031 |
| Previous Rank | #42 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2026 | 32 | 4.0 | $31.5M |
| 2027 | 33 | 3.3 | $31.5M |
| 2028 | 34 | 2.6 | $31.5M |
| 2029 | 35 | 2.1 | $31.5M |
| 2030 | 36 | 1.4 | $31.5M |
As we continue with the Superstars on Fair Deals tier, I’d like to introduce you to a game I played that helped me order this section of the list. I call it “Would you rather have Ketel Marte?” Marte is a useful point of comparison because he offers a little bit of everything. He’s great right now, a perennial All-Star. His contract keeps him around through at least 2030. It’s also for less than $20 million a year, so you’re getting a good rate even if he declines somewhat in the last years of the deal. Like great players? Marte is your guy. Like bargains? Yep, Marte.
Seager and his tier-mates clearly belong behind Marte. Seager is great, don’t get me wrong, a borderline Hall of Famer still at the peak of his powers. His batting line this year is bang on his career average, as is his playing time; a few nagging injuries at the start of the season look set to limit him to about 500 PA for the year, right around his average over the last four seasons. If you have someone who can spot him for about a month every year, Seager will give you MVP-candidate production at shortstop year in and year out. Have a shortstop? You could always shift Seager to third base, though thus far, he’s handled short so well that a move hasn’t made sense.
There’s risk here, of course, because Seager is in his 30s and has always been injury-prone. This deal will absolutely look bad in the late 2020s. Plenty of teams wouldn’t even get involved in bidding for Seager. But I think that getting Seager’s game-breaking talent now combined with the relatively short tail, at least as far as big contracts go, would convince many teams to vie for him if he were available in trade. How often can you add one of the best players of his generation while he’s still in his prime?
| Five-Year WAR | 18.0 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | $204.6M |
| Team Control Through | 2031 |
| Previous Rank | #44 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2026 | 32 | 5.4 | $34.1M |
| 2027 | 33 | 4.4 | $34.1M |
| 2028 | 34 | 3.7 | $34.1M |
| 2029 | 35 | 2.6 | $34.1M |
| 2030 | 36 | 1.9 | $34.1M |
Most of what I said about Seager holds for Lindor as well. They’re the same age. They’re signed through the same year. Their deals pay them similarly. They’re both elite offensive options at a premium position – Seager’s a better hitter, while Lindor is a much better defender. Last year, I had them both on the list with their order reversed, but I’m favoring Lindor this time. Lindor is somehow underrated despite being an obvious star; over the past four seasons, he’s neck-and-neck with Shohei Ohtani and Bobby Witt Jr. for the second-best player in baseball, trailing only Aaron Judge.
I actually think that Lindor’s value is suppressed slightly by already being on the Mets; they’d make a ton of sense as a suitor if he didn’t already play for them. Come on, though, your big-market team would give up a lot to get this guy! He’s an elite defender and a great hitter, he’s the most durable shortstop in the game judging by playing time, and if you’re shading evaluations based on chemistry fit, well, everyone loves playing with him.
Last year, I had more team personnel question Lindor’s inclusion on the list than Seager’s. This year, the reverse was true. I think that’s as much about playing time as anything else. Regardless, I’ve either made my point well enough or annoyed my sources consistently enough that they seemed, as a group, more accepting of the smattering of high-dollar superstars dotting the rankings this year. Those guys aren’t a fit for every team, and not every high-dollar player deserves a spot on the list, but Lindor’s combination of skill, age, and contract clears the bar for me. There just aren’t many players like this, period. You should get them on your team if you can.
| Five-Year WAR | 14.0 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | $84.0M |
| Team Control Through | 2027 |
| Previous Rank | HM |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2026 | 36 | 4.3 | $42.0M |
| 2027 | 37 | 3.4 | $42.0M |
Unlike the trio of superstars behind him in the rankings, Wheeler wasn’t on the top 50 the entire time, but I ended up lumping him in with this tier as I refined my thinking and did more matching of like players. Adding Wheeler to your roster wouldn’t be quite the same as adding Lindor, but it would be pretty close. He’s making a ton of money right now to be one of the best players in baseball. Is it a lot of money? It is. Will he improve your team? It’s unquestionable.
Wheeler is already 35, which initially gave me pause, but I’ve accepted that pitchers don’t age the same way hitters do. By some measures, 2025 is the best season of Wheeler’s career, and that’s saying something given that he’s been the best pitcher in baseball since 2020. He throws six plus pitches and has spectacular command. He works deep into games. He’s only hit the IL twice as a Phillie, and both stays were in 2022 – four days for COVID and a month for forearm tendinitis.
His deal limits him to only a few suitors, no doubt — $42 million is a lot of money. But if you’re looking to spend money to get good pitching, Wheeler is almost as good as it gets (more on this in a few days). He won’t even stick around forever clogging your rotation into his 40s; I think the length of the deal is a sweet spot here. Now, would I rather have him than Ketel Marte? I would not, hence his placement. You could move this tier of four established stars down into the 40s or up to just behind Marte, and I’d have a hard time disagreeing with you; the valuations in this area are all really close and depend heavily on what a given team is looking for.
| Five-Year WAR | 16.1 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | $301.7M |
| Team Control Through | 2035 |
| Previous Rank | HM |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2026 | 27 | 3.5 | $16.2M |
| 2027 | 28 | 3.4 | $30.2M |
| 2028 | 29 | 3.3 | $30.2M |
| 2029 | 30 | 3.1 | $30.2M |
| 2030 | 31 | 2.8 | $33.2M |
I like to call this tier “Nice Pitchers, Gimme Marte.” That’s because I’d rather have Ketel Marte, but Yamamoto starts to make it a tough call for me. He’s somewhere in between the rest of his tier and the group we just left behind. His deal is both sizable and lengthy, but you’re getting your money’s worth. He’s been better than you might think: through 37 major league starts, he’s already racked up 5.4 WAR (5.8 RA9-WAR). Oh yeah, and he’s only 26 and in the midst of a dominant five-year stretch that includes three straight Eiji Sawamura Award/Pacific League MVP combos as a member of the Orix Buffaloes.
In other words, Yamamoto is one of the best pitchers in the world. No one I talked to disagreed with that. His fastball might not jump off of the model screen, but he moves it around the zone with surgical precision and backs it up with three excellent secondaries. He’s prone to Snell Syndrome, nibbling off the corners and racking up pitches (and the occasional walk) to avoid laying in meatballs. But that’s the biggest knock I have against an otherwise sterling repertoire, and I’m not alone in thinking he’s one of the best doing it right now.
I’d be completely comfortable paying Yamamoto $30 million or so a year for a long time. Happier, in fact, than where I have him ranked here. That’s because he has two opt outs in his contract, after 2029 and 2031, and I think that makes the deal meaningfully worse. If my assessment is right and he’s one of the handful of best starters in the game, he’s almost certainly opting out at his first chance; he’d hit free agency at age 30 and command a huge deal. There are also real risks beyond him exercising those opt-outs. What if he’s more good than great? What if last year’s rotator cuff strain is a harbinger of more injury issues? What if he just gets hurt because pitching is dangerous? The contract has enough wrong-way risk that I knocked him to the bottom of a tier of excellent pitchers who I still wouldn’t prefer over Ketel Marte.
| Five-Year WAR | 11.3 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | – |
| Team Control Through | 2027 |
| Previous Rank | #23 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2026 | 29 | 2.8 | Arb 3 |
| 2027 | 30 | 2.5 | Arb 4 |
If you’re looking for someone who could have finished lower on the list to accommodate some of the hitters with more years of remaining team control who appeared in the last batch of players, Gilbert is probably your guy. The evaluators I talked to didn’t like the idea of trading for pitchers without much team control remaining. I don’t either, to be honest; MacKenzie Gore, for example, started around here when I began compiling these rankings, but he kept sliding as I compared him to the hitters you’ve read about in the past two days and thought “mmmm, team control.” Joe Ryan is in a similar boat. Those guys are really good! But they won’t be around for forever, and they’re not Zack Wheeler.
They’re not Gilbert, either. He’s been the picture of consistency since his 2021 debut, delivering a solid season every year and improving over time. His 2024 campaign was his best yet, and after a flexor strain that didn’t meaningfully change my injury apprehension, he’s looked even better in 2025. We’re on two straight seasons of top-shelf swinging strike rates, a spectacular development given that Gilbert’s skill set has traditionally tended towards command. He’s 28, he’s only making $7.6 million this year, and you get two more years of him too. For me, Gilbert is clearly a tier above the other arbitration-eligible arms, and I prefer the total package to Wheeler even if Wheeler is better; the monetary difference is enormous.
The downside is that one major injury is basically the whole ball of yarn. That’s what has both my contacts and me down on guys like this. Pitchers inherently carry huge injury risk, and the shorter the deal, the higher the uncertainty gets. If you sign a pitcher to an eight-year contract, you can confidently treat it like a 6.5-year deal with 1.5 years of injury somewhere in there; in the fullness of time, pretty much everyone hurts their elbow or shoulder. But when you have only two years left, it’s an all-or-nothing proposition – an injury might mean missing the entire time – and that matters. If you trade for Gilbert, you’re doing so because you want to win right this minute, but he’s less likely to remain healthy than a hitter with the same amount of team control. How could you take him over, say, Ketel Marte? You couldn’t, so the search continues.
| Five-Year WAR | 12.0 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | – |
| Team Control Through | 2031 |
| Previous Rank | – |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2026 | 24 | 2.1 | Pre-Arb |
| 2027 | 25 | 2.4 | Pre-Arb |
| 2028 | 26 | 2.5 | Pre-Arb |
| 2029 | 27 | 2.5 | Arb 1 |
| 2030 | 28 | 2.5 | Arb 2 |
Look out, it’s hot take time. Nothing brings out evaluator disagreements like pitchers who burst onto the scene with ludicrous stuff. “He has the best stuff in baseball, this is too low,” one source told me. “I wouldn’t personally have Misiorowski on my list,” said another. Even the people who didn’t hate my ranking noted that they had a hard time pinning him down. It does feel strange, as Eric Longenhagen pointed out to me, to have The Miz ahead of Roman Anthony, who is also performing in the majors and has far more of a track record of minor league dominance.
Here’s how I’m squaring all of that up in my head: I’m betting on a non-linear improvement here, and I think the signs of one are there if you look. The stuff? It’s preposterous. Our pitching models barely have a dark enough red to show what they think of it. Misiorowski throws triple digits and somehow that understates how hard his fastball is to hit. His 94-mph slider is the stuff of dreams – or nightmares, if you’re facing him.
Does he have good command? Not yet. His 11.2% major league walk rate is actually the best mark of his professional career. But on the other hand, he’s showing the best command of his career at the highest level of competition, and he’s doing it right now. He’s clearly a freakish athlete – he’s built like a down-scaled Victor Wembanyama and throws 100. I want to bet on a guy like that — an outlier in many directions — also defying the odds when it comes to body control, which means that I want to bet on him honing his command. If he keeps improving on that front, he might be the best pitcher in baseball in fairly short order.
Now, is that likely? It is not. You can see what ZiPS thinks of the median case; Misiorowski has one of the lowest five-year projections of anyone on this list. But I like betting on athletic standouts, and I think that projection systems struggle with pitcher breakouts like this. He’s just different than he was last year. Small improvements in body control can deliver non-linear increases in performance. Would you be shocked if Miz ends up being a Chris Sale type of lanky outlier? I wouldn’t, and he’d be a top five trade value in baseball if that’s the case. I have very little confidence that I’ve gotten this ranking “right.” Heck, he’s Milwaukee’s starter tonight (against Gilbert, funny enough), and I’d have loved to have that data, 1/6th of his entire major league oeuvre, before grading him. But he has to go somewhere, and this is my best guess at this exact moment in time. If you have him a bit higher or a bit lower, I wouldn’t argue with you. I just wouldn’t put him ahead of Ketel Marte.
| Five-Year WAR | 13.7 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | – |
| Team Control Through | 2029 |
| Previous Rank | HM |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2026 | 26 | 2.9 | Pre-Arb |
| 2027 | 27 | 2.9 | Arb 1 |
| 2028 | 28 | 2.8 | Arb 2 |
| 2029 | 29 | 2.6 | Arb 3 |
Woo was another player who rose in the rankings as I did more cross-checking and revising. He’s a George Kirby starter kit, plus-plus command with a good sense of how to use it to get outs. He’ll be around forever. He’s still making a pre-arb salary and won’t even be eligible for arbitration until 2027. Very few pitchers across all of baseball combine Woo’s blend of potential, production, and team control.
I wasn’t alone in questioning the top end outcomes here. I’m hesitant to put a ceiling on performance because players vary more than expected all the time, but I just don’t see how Woo ends up as one of the very best pitchers in baseball without a huge leap forward in his raw stuff. I’m not saying that can’t happen, but I’m absolutely not counting on it; for me, what you see is what you get with Woo.
One acceptable response to that — and a response that I got several times when I brought up these concerns — would be to say “So what?” Woo is unlikely to end up as the best pitcher in his league, but he’s incredibly likely to return huge surplus value year after year. That skill set is a lot less common in pitchers than hitters, and that in itself is valuable. Good teams are pretty good at finding hitters in the upper minors who they can squeeze a few starter-level seasons out of. Our readers know that as well as anyone – you’ve seen the Lars Nootbaars, Dylan Carlsons, and Spencer Steers of the world fall out of the rankings over the years as I’ve focused more on observed trade markets and team feedback.
That isn’t the case for pitching. Everyone needs more of it. No one generates enough home-grown arms. Guys like this, with this much control and this much demonstrated skill, just aren’t available. Naturally, then, everyone wants them. I might have moved Woo too high as a result of what I heard from the teams I talked to; I didn’t have him this high in my own rankings. But I kept listening, and I do get the argument that the the traits and skills with the most trade value should be the ones you have the hardest time replacing. That means singular talents, sure, but it also means guys like Woo who can give you long-term cost certainty at a position where “long-term” and “certainty” are both rare. I still wouldn’t take him over Marte, though.
| Five-Year WAR | 18.7 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | – |
| Team Control Through | 2027 |
| Previous Rank | #27 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2026 | 28 | 4.5 | $12.0M |
| 2027 | 29 | 4.0 | Arb 3 |
Oof, this one is tough. Contreras is coming off of two straight superlative seasons and even in a down year, he’s on track for 3.5-4 WAR. He’s that rarest of birds, an offensive difference-maker who plays catcher. He’s not some one-trick power pony who pitchers might just figure out tomorrow; he’s a well-rounded hitter with plate discipline and bat speed to spare. He’s absolutely good enough to stick behind the plate, too; I don’t think he’s a huge asset back there, but I’m not worried about him having to move off the position in the next three years. Oh yeah! He’s around for two more years after this one, and he comes cheap, too; he has a team option that will keep his salary down in 2026 before he dips back into arbitration for 2027.
If it weren’t for my general downgrading of catcher value this year, I would begrudgingly place Contreras ahead of Marte. Yes, you get less team control, but I’m not putting a ton of value on the back half of Marte’s 30s, and Contreras gives you spectacular production at a position where even playoff teams sometimes settle for embarrassing options. But even though it’s close, I lean Marte, which gives Tier 11 its name: Nice Catchers, Gimme Marte. Honestly, it’s hard to go wrong at this point in the rankings, though. Take these guys. Plug them into your team. Prosper. We’re squarely into the “these players are untouchable” part of the list, where it’s all hypothetical, but I’d still take Marte over these two excellent catchers.
| Five-Year WAR | 17.6 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | – |
| Team Control Through | 2027 |
| Previous Rank | #9 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2026 | 28 | 3.9 | Arb 2 |
| 2027 | 29 | 3.9 | Arb 3 |
Rutschman kept falling and falling as I refined my thinking. Model-wise, he was meaningfully higher when I started making the list, and even with his projections ticking down as he continues to scuffle, he forecasts as one of the best catchers in baseball going forward. This isn’t some guy who popped off for a few seasons and got figured out; Rutschman has been excellent since his debut, which makes his offensive swoon (he has an 83 wRC+ in the last calendar year) all the more baffling.
The upside here is enticing. Rutschman started his career with two straight five-win seasons. He might have been dealing with injury for some of this down stretch, though he and the team deny it. (He is, of course, on the IL now with an oblique injury.) This is what I mean when I say that catcher performance is maddeningly difficult to predict. Rutschman felt like one of the safest bets in the majors a year ago. Now he’s caught squarely in the vortex of wondering if he’ll ever get it back.
I expect him to bounce back almost fully. The Statcast numbers still look great. He’s getting BABIP’ed to death, but his contact quality has already rebounded to his pre-2024 form. I can tell myself all of that. I can tell myself that I’m getting one of the great prospects of our time, with multiple years left on his deal, for the lowest price I could ever expect to pay for him. But I just can’t bring myself to rank him ahead of someone who I know with certainty would be one of the best players on my team now and in the immediate future.
You could slide Rutschman even lower if you wanted to. You wouldn’t be alone. But you’d also make some of the other people I talked to mad, because a few wanted Rutschman a little higher up based on his pedigree. He was both a controversial option and, for me, yet another player I’d prefer Ketel Marte over.
| Five-Year WAR | 14.2 |
| Guaranteed Dollars | $102.5M |
| Team Control Through | 2030 |
| Previous Rank | #43 |
| Year | Age | Projected WAR | Contract Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2026 | 32 | 4.3 | $15.0M |
| 2027 | 33 | 3.7 | $12.0M |
| 2028 | 34 | 2.8 | $20.0M |
| 2029 | 35 | 2.0 | $22.0M |
| 2030 | 36 | 1.5 | $22.0M |
He finally appears. I used Marte (the only member of Tier 10: Ketel Marte) as a pivot point as I honed my rankings, and I’d suggest this test as a great “Do you actually think this guy has huge trade value?” barometer. Marte has huge trade value. That’s inarguable. He’s in the tail end of his prime, he’s been 50% above league average offensively for the better part of two years, and he plays defense and runs the bases well enough that he can keep playing second for you for a while. He’s cheap, under $20 million a year in average annual value. He’ll be around for the remainder of his prime (and then likely a little bit after that), so if you want to contend for several years, he’s an awesome team fit.
Are these projections a little scary? Sure. He doesn’t have quite the track record of hitting that would really make ZiPS go nuts. But I’d take the over on 4.3 WAR for next season, and I bet you would too: Marte has played at a 5.4 WAR/600 clip for the last three years, and even better than that for the last two. He’s even hitting righties well this year, with real under-the-hood changes to his approach and bat speed. There are 10 position players I’d take over Marte if I had to win a game tomorrow, but I don’t think there are 20.
Marte’s past health issues and current age are certainly downsides. As you’ll see when we start getting into the nosebleed heights of this list, the very best trade values combine present production with long tails of high projected future value. Marte falls short of that by a bit, but honestly, it’s not by a ton. Look through the 20 names behind Marte on this list. Maybe you’d prefer one of those guys on your team over Marte – but I wouldn’t. He’s gonna hit a lot. He’s gonna be around for a while. The rankings previous to this were warmups, more or less, part of a big field of players who are really good and whose value in trade is very close, close enough that picking between them is more guesswork than science. No one ranked behind Marte has any business in the top 25, in my opinion. No one ranked ahead of him has any business off the list. Many slots are debatable; I’m not the sole arbiter of value or anything close to it. But I really do think that the Ketel Marte test is an excellent barometer for trade value.
| Rank | Prev | Name | Team | Pos | 2026 | 2027 | 2028 | 2029 | 2030 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ketel Marte | |||||||||
| 31 | 43 | Ketel Marte | ARI | 2B | 4.3 $15.0M |
3.7 $12.0M |
2.8 $20.0M |
2.0 $22.0M |
1.5 $22.0M |
| Nice Catchers, Gimme Marte | |||||||||
| 32 | 9 | Adley Rutschman | BAL | C | 3.9 Arb 2 |
3.9 Arb 3 |
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| 33 | 27 | William Contreras | MIL | C | 4.5 $12.0M |
4.0 Arb 3 |
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| Nice Pitchers, Gimme Marte | |||||||||
| 34 | HM | Bryan Woo | SEA | SP | 2.9 Pre-Arb |
2.9 Arb 1 |
2.8 Arb 2 |
2.6 Arb 3 |
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| 35 | – | Jacob Misiorowski | MIL | SP | 2.1 Pre-Arb |
2.4 Pre-Arb |
2.5 Pre-Arb |
2.5 Arb 1 |
2.5 Arb 2 |
| 36 | 23 | Logan Gilbert | SEA | SP | 2.8 Arb 3 |
2.5 Arb 4 |
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| 37 | HM | Yoshinobu Yamamoto | LAD | SP | 3.5 $16.2M |
3.4 $30.2M |
3.3 $30.2M |
3.1 $30.2M |
2.8 $33.2M |
| Superstars on Fair Deals | |||||||||
| 38 | HM | Zack Wheeler | PHI | SP | 4.3 $42.0M |
3.4 $42.0M |
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| 39 | 44 | Francisco Lindor | NYM | SS | 5.4 $34.1M |
4.4 $34.1M |
3.7 $34.1M |
2.6 $34.1M |
1.9 $34.1M |
| 40 | 42 | Corey Seager | TEX | SS | 4.0 $31.5M |
3.3 $31.5M |
2.6 $31.5M |
2.1 $31.5M |
1.4 $31.5M |
| 41 | HM | Byron Buxton | MIN | CF | 3.2 $15.1M |
2.7 $15.1M |
2.1 $15.1M |
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| Industry Darlings | |||||||||
| 42 | HM | Roman Anthony | BOS | OF | 3.4 Pre-Arb |
3.9 Pre-Arb |
4.2 Pre-Arb |
4.2 Arb 1 |
4.3 Arb 2 |
| 43 | 40 | Zach Neto | LAA | SS | 3.2 Arb 1 |
3.7 Arb 2 |
3.8 Arb 3 |
3.8 Arb 4 |
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| 44 | 36 | Wyatt Langford | TEX | OF | 3.4 Pre-Arb |
3.8 Arb 1 |
3.9 Arb 2 |
4.0 Arb 3 |
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| Solid Infielders | |||||||||
| 45 | 31 | Masyn Winn | STL | SS | 3.1 Pre-Arb |
3.4 Arb 1 |
3.5 Arb 2 |
3.5 Arb 3 |
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| 46 | 29 | Jordan Westburg | BAL | 2B/3B | 3.1 Pre-Arb |
3.0 Arb 1 |
2.8 Arb 2 |
2.6 Arb 3 |
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| 47 | 32 | CJ Abrams | WSN | SS | 3.3 Arb 1 |
3.5 Arb 2 |
3.5 Arb 3 |
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| High Volatility | |||||||||
| 48 | – | Jacob Wilson | ATH | SS | 3.0 Pre-Arb |
3.2 Pre-Arb |
3.2 Arb 1 |
3.2 Arb 2 |
3.0 Arb 3 |
| 49 | – | Drake Baldwin | ATL | C | 2.1 Pre-Arb |
2.2 Pre-Arb |
2.3 Arb 1 |
2.4 Arb 2 |
2.0 Arb 3 |
| 50 | HM | Ceddanne Rafaela | BOS | CF | 3.3 $2.3M |
3.3 $3.8M |
3.7 $5.8M |
3.4 $7.8M |
3.4 $10.8M |
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Zach Wheeler?? LMAO come on now.
What’s the LMAO about? Too high of a value, unlikely to be traded, too low of a value?
I would have put him 10 spots higher, maybe even more. Consensus Top 5 pitcher in MLB, been a league ace since he arrived in Philadelphia, super durable. Only real concern is he only has 2 years of team control.
IMO he is definitely the most valuable player presented on these lists so far (the only one above the “Ketel Marte line” which I agree is super useful as a reference point).
LOL dude is 35 aka past the age that pitchers fall off a cliff. There’s plenty of players listed after him that have FAR more trade value than him.
Would you rather have 3 years of 29 year old Mitch Keller at $14M per or whatever or 2 years of 35 year old Wheeler at $42M per?
Easy question to answer if you’re the Dodgers or Yankees. Ask Tampa, they would say Keller.
If Keller was on the Rays they would trade him because he would be too expensive for that amount of production.
I understand why teams are interested in Keller because there are no good starting pitchers available right now but he’s not especially valuable to any team.
But as Ben has said, trade value is determined by the teams that would say yes, not the teams that would say no.
Easily Wheeler
I don’t think everyone falls off a cliff at 35? A lot do it earlier, and a few lucky ones later. And maybe he does, but he hasn’t yet and there is zero evidence that his stuff or location have fallen off. He’s definitely a win-now player though, he’s not anything like the young guys with 5+ years of team control. Trading for him (not that he is available, but hypothetically) is not something you’re doing for your team 2 years from now.
Well said. Of all of the guys on this list so far he’s clearly the first you’d acquire to win right now. I think that counts for quite a bit
There is no cliff. As pitchers age, typically one of two things happen:
1) Catastrophic injury that they can’t come back from. That’s a cliff, I suppose, and I’m sure the odds of same increase with age/mileage. But if it never happens you end up with…
2) Gradual velocity loss. Plenty of pitchers just gradually lose effectiveness and ultimately reach the point where they can’t MLB any more.
Certainly the population of pitchers in the aggregate starts to drop quickly with age, but that’s the aggregate not the individual.
For either case, being on a short-term contract works in Wheeler’s favor. There’s no indication he’s not going to continue to be awesome as long as he’s being paid, and even if something does happen there’s not much bag to be left holding.
Exactly.
Wheeler’s short contract is a huge point in his favor. He’s one of the few pitchers in baseball who is a capital-A Ace and can win you World Series right now, and there’s no long-term commitment to cripple your roster if he gets hurt or his performance declines.
He’s also a bonafide workhorse who’s demonstrated the ability to throw 200+ innings a season, and again, because of his age and contract status, you don’t have to worry about running him into the ground through overwork.
There are some non-injury related cliffs for pitchers as well, for example, Miles Mikolas, beginning in 2023.
Giovanny Gallegos, also beginning in 2023, would be another good example, except there’s credible evidence for extenuating circumstances in that he couldn’t handle the introduction of the pitch clock.
Neither of them were great to begin with. More like falling off a ledge.
If only there were projection systems that could incorporate aging curves for the next two years.
Nobody’s told Wheeler he’s supposed to have fallen off a cliff by now. He’s runnin ga career-best xFIP and second-best FIP (both top-5 in MLB) and he’s throwing as hard as ever.
The wheels will come off eventually but anyone trading for him would only be trading for this year (when he’s damn good) and next year, when he’s still nearly as good a bet as anyone given that he’s shown no signs whatsoever of decline.
Yeah, I clearly approach this list from a “big market” standpoint, because I am fine paying premium money for premium talent.
That’s why 42 million for Zach Wheeler sounds great to me. He’s an absolute ace, and is as good as ever this year. It’s also why even at 51 million a year, Soto belongs on this list for me. If you’re a team that’s serious about winning (IE, playing in either the East or West divisions in baseball), are you seriously going to tell me you’d rather have Logan Gilbert over Juan Soto?
You’re going to spend the 51 million either way. Would you rather have 2 or 3 2 win guys, or the 26 year old guy who can put up 7 or 8 wins for years to come?
Same with Wheeler. Have fun paying Severino and Frankie Montas 40 million combined for 3 or 4 wins. I’ll pay Wheeler the 42 million for his 6 wins, and taking the ball in game 1 of the playoffs.
I think I would put Soto and Yamamoto in a similar bucket. The contracts are super long and I think they’re going to age fine as salaries go up and they continue to produce at their normal levels, but I don’t *know* that.
Wheeler is a bit different, he is my Game 1 starter in 2025 and I don’t care even a little about 2028. He is a real “flags fly forever” mood.
Yeah, the fact is, the way teams spend right now, you’re comparing guys who fall into two distinct categories.
If Jacob Misiorowski were available tomorrow, thirty teams are interested.
If Corey Seager and Francisco Lindor are available tomorrow, how many teams are interested? Five?
So the nature of this entire exercise is in the eye of the beholder. If you’re a Central division GM, Misioroski is in your top ten in baseball, and guys like Seager, Lindor, Soto, aren’t even on your list.
If you’re a big market GM trying to win the World Series, Lindor, Seager, Soto, Wheeler, et al, are in your top twenty. Those are guys that A) Can be worth 3 or more wins in a half season, which is often the difference between the playoffs and sitting home. B) Can almost single handedly win you a playoff series.
In either instance there’s a bidding war between multiple teams though, so I don’t think it really changes the analysis. The question isn’t what the median team would give in trade, it’s what the team that wants the player would have to give.
I agree. But the fact is, a bidding war amoing 29 teams is obviously going to generate a higher return than a bidding war among 3 or 4 teams, no?
The fact is, Ohtani and Judge are going to be at the top of this list, and yet if they were really on the trade market, 25 GM’s don’t even bother calling, because they know they can’t sell their ownership on taking on 350+ million dollars, regardless of the player.
I guess I’m just annoyed by the idea that 20 teams don’t even try to compete, and maybe half of the top 50 “trade value” guys actually have zero value to those 20 teams, because they’re unobtainable.
Your first question is not necessarily true because the teams have different resources.
Ohtani’s contract would not have been higher if 25 other teams had been involved, because none of them were even close.
Also, this whole dynamic was addressed in the intro, and while I can see many other ways to do this, you have to pick one. Doing the whole trade value from the POV of the Rays doesn’t make any sense, either.
You’re talking about signing Ohtani as a FA, I’m talking about if Ohtani were available on the trade market today, with teams picking up his existing contract.
If the Dodgers put Ohtani on the market right now, 9 days before the trade deadline, 25 teams don’t even bother to call LA. Bob Nutting ain’t covering that salary. So you’re getting the best trade package from maybe 5 teams at most.
If Misiorowski is on the trade market right now, you’re getting a lot more than 5 teams calling.
Another way to look at it, is this median team you speak of, does it even exist?If you’re a big market team, the idea of preferring Logan Gilbert to Juan Soto is laughable. The Mets would never trade Soto for Gilbert. If the Yankees, or LA, or Boston had signed Soto, even for 50-100 million less, they would laugh and hang up on Seattle for that offer.At the same time, for 25 teams, Soto isn’t on the menu at half of his current contract.Therefore, the entire concept of the trade value article, while super interesting, is dependant on a premise that doesn’t actually exist in baseball, no?Edit: In Jay Jaffe’s chat right now, he described the comparison as “apples vs. oranges”. That probably sums it up better and more succinctly than I did.
If the Mets were inclined to trade Soto for whatever reason and the Mariners were inclined to trade Gilbert for any reason, which would get a greater return? The answer is Gilbert. Thinking of this as x for y is counterproductive. Just think about how many 50 grade prospects you could get for a player, and if the answer is zero, then switch to 45+ then 40, and then forget about it after that. By transitive property, you can see who is better.
The calculus that gets lost here is that big markets might prefer misiorowski to the more expensive options too. Bc the cheaper guy is not only good, but is ~30+ mil cheaper than the expensive guys which allows you to then spend 30+mil in free agency. So it’s really Miso + like Framber Valdez or Seager.
Exactly what I was going to say. And because of this, I think that this list overvalues great players on fair deals and undervalues young guys with a measure of success and huge upside.
While I can see both sides of this debate, I just got a guy arguing the opposite about 70 comments down over my opinions about Nick Kurtz and others like him, I can’t wait for the two of you to meet.
Yamamoto has almost no upside. If he were an ace, he’d be an iffy trade candidate. If he performs well, you pay $30 a year for a guy for 3.5 years. If anything goes wrong, you pay a lot more. He’d be a tough sell for this list if he’d actually lived up to his billing as a top-10 pitcher, but I don’t see it from any perspective.
The best case scenario is what? He does take a big step forward and you get ace level production for 60-70 cents on the dollar. That good, but not amazing. But downside risk is huge.
But it’s not Gilbert over Soto, it’s Gilbert + $44M over Soto, which seems right! $44M can get you any star in baseball except for Soto or Ohtani
I’d trade Wheeler straight up to acquire Roman Anthony.
So would I and the Red Sox would be out of their minds to make that trade. Let me do some math. Anthony will play 1500 games,
+ or -, over the next 10 years and Wheeler will play maybe 90-120 during the rest of his career. Larry Anderson, at age 37 pitched in 15 games for the Red Sox in 1990. Jeff Bagwell played in 2150 games for the Astros and hit 449 HR’s on his way to Cooperstown. Even if Wheeler continues to be great well past his expected decline there is no way a team should risk sending a young potential star for an aging pitcher.
Except prospects for veterans on expiring contracts happens all the time. If the Red Sox thought they were a Zach Wheeler away from going to the ALCS or World Series in both 2025 and 2026, I think they would trade Anthony for Wheeler, albeit grudgingly. They did it before for 3 years of Sale when they gave up Moncada and Kopech.
Says the guy who roots for the team that traded Yoan Moncada and Michael Kopech for Chris Sale. Or traded Carl Pavano for Pedro Martinez. Granted, Sale and Pedro were younger than Wheeler is (and better, certainly in Pedro’s case), but Wheeler isn’t Larry Andersen, either. Point is, plenty of top prospects end up being pretty ok, but not great. There’s a possibility Roman Anthony turns into Jeff Bagwell, sure, but there’s a chance he turns into Yoan Moncada.
Neither Martinez, age 26, nor Sale, age 28 were anywhere near 35 when the Red Sox made those deals. There is no comparison between these men and a one month rental of a reliever. Both of these great pitchers spent at least 10 more years in the game which, I doubt, Zach Wheeler is not going to do. Speaking of future performance, there are few examples of worse projections in the history of baseball than Pedro Martinez. Some fools in the Dodgers front office actually traded him for Delino DeShields.
Yeah – can you imagine trading a sure fire stud like Yoan Moncada for someone like Chris Sale???
The Marte reference point was probably my favorite delineator in any article I’ve read here, trade value or otherwise. Really sticky. And now I think I may have been incepted to be a Ketel Marte fan 🤣
But seriously, it just made so much sense.
Yeah, that was my first reaction too. But man oh man, it is hard to acquire a durable #1 starter who’s signed for 2.5 years (albeit at a high price).
I don’t think I would trade Roman Anthony for any of these guys
If you offered Anthony straight up for Ketel Marte, Hazen would wait silently until you said another two prospects.
Yeah maybe, but that mostly just means that Marte should be like 6th
I like Anthony a lot.
Anthony is exactly as safe a bet as Andrew Benintendi and Jordan Walker were after 35 games.
How safe of a bet are Seager and Marte, for example, as they move into their mid-30s?
What are we talking about in terms of a “safe” bet.
Walker was never a “safe” bet – he had clear talent and some clear concerns in his profile and a range of projections based on how he handled those concerns. It was never especially clear what he would become.
Benintendi was a very “safe” bet in terms of a narrower range of outcomes and confidence that he would produce a quality career – but he was also unique in that he was proceeding nicely and then very suddenly had things go wrong, e.g. a major and best as I know inexplicable loss of sprint speed from one season to the next. So he became what was generally projected, but then he *changed*, not in a “oh well, the skills and talent weren’t quite what he hoped” way but in a “what’s happened to his body?” way. A more extreme version would be a guy suffering a multi-ligament-tear knee injury and never recovering his full athleticism or mechanics upon generally healing up. That’s a different form of falling short of full-career projections.
I’m pretty sure that if you were to bucket generally-equal-overall prospects into “safer” and “more volatile” (usually meaning more upside but lower floor) groups, you would overall find similar overall results for each group but also much tighter consistency/rate of general “success” with the first group. Which is supposed to be the point. And then you have the “safe” prospects who are also seen as having “special” ceilings, and those tend to offer a boosted rate of both general success and reaching star+ levels.
Anthony seems more on the safe side of the spectrum and more on the special side of the spectrum, so no, I don’t think he is equally “safe” as a prospect with similar ceiling but much more perceived volatility (Walker) or as a prospect with similar “safe” confidence but not quite as much perceived ceiling (Benintendi). There is a range for the outcome confidence for young players, and of course nothing is guaranteed for anyone.
Even before you dive into the details, Benintendi was worth 11 WAR before reaching FA.
It’s a good reminder that this is probably around the median outcome for top prospects.
For FV60s? Probably. It is likely quite a bit worse for FV55s.
Anthony is a 60 FV, though, right?
And no team that cares about winning rings would trade 4 years of Ketel Marte for 11 WAR over 5.5 seasons.
Sure, I’m just listing the first pair of cOF-only 60 FV prospects who debuted at 21 and put up a ~120 wRC+ over their first 35 games that came to mind!
Anthony is more 65 FV than 60, tbf. Plus, without context it’s not really even comparable. You could argue Chourio or Betts fit that same profile too. Caminero probably no more defensive value than Ra either
A) Says who? Both Eric and Kiley have him in the 60 FV tier with 10 other kids.
B) Benintendi was a 65 FV, haha!
He graduated as the #2 overall prospect, behind no-doubt, surefire superstar Yoan Moncada, in the same tier as other absolute locks like Amed Rosario and Austin Meadows.
I thought the same. Here’s the end of his prospect writeup:
If I had read that (and the rest of the write-up) and tried to guess his grade, I’d say 65 or 70.
“Anthony is exactly as safe a bet as Andrew Benintendi and Jordan Walker were after 35 games.”
This. Top prospects are valuable, but I feel as though we’re all far too ready to call them safe after a lightning debut.
There was a young player at #16 on the 2021 trade value list with better Zips projections than Anthony has now if I’m reading the numbers right, but things didn’t work out for Ke’Bryan Hayes.
The problem is that in singling out these two players, it makes it seem like they had a 100 percent chance to turn out like they did.
A more accurate statement would be to say exactly as safe of a bet as Henderson, Chourio, Holliday, Benintendi, Walker, Acuna, Tatis, Vlad Jr, Robles, Bichette, Tucker….
Most of these guys aren’t 60 FV RFs who debuted at 21 and put up a 120 wRC+ over their first 35 games, in fairness.
The two I listed are.
(Adjusting Benintendi down to adjust for Eric’s post-research grading style).
Ben mentions in this article an undeniable truth, that players outperform and underperform their projections constantly. Some are flashes in the pan, some develop slowly and some have highs and lows, some put up similar numbers every year. The difference is some executives, Dave Dombrowski for instance, understand that better than others and do a better job of consistently assembling strong rosters. My thoughts are that since pitching is so expensive I would never trade or value a top position prospect for a pitcher for injury risk alone.
Agreed. And I think he’s going to be AWESOME. Most of the same people dying on the Roman Anthony hill felt the same way about Holliday and Langford…but today think they are underperforming. People overvalue prospects all the time.
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Isn’t the question of value more about what teams would be willing to trade for a player that how the team that he’s on values him?
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There are 20 teams who would happily trade three Top 100 prospects for Marte, if they had the opportunity.
There are zero who would do the same for a 60 FV with 35 games in the bigs.
And I think Anthony’s going to be awesome!
Hm, that’s an interesting way to think about it. However:
100% agreed.
The Rutschman ranking is actually kind of egregious. 2 years of team control and the guy hasn’t hit in over a year. His current trade value is simply not this high, especially because of the the limited team control.
it’s not even clear that he’s good right now. this is the same way I felt about Michael Harris being on the list last year, and now look where we are.
Weren’t you also the guy saying what a crime against humanity it was that Jarren Duran wasn’t up there with Merrill, Greene, and Harris?
yes, though I don’t think I called it a crime against humanity. And, for the record, it was harris and carroll I took exception with, so we’ll call it 1 for 2
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When healthy, Rutschman is more than good – he has the track record to prove it and, pre-injury this year, his advanced stats (BABIP) show he’s probably not done – but, who knows, as he’s a catcher and their performance can be ultra-variable.
Dismissing Rutschman is more due to recency bias. His overall body of work is excellent.
Yeah, he’s ranked too high IMHO, but, considering his potential performance and how difficult it is to get even decent catching (see Nationals, Washington) I can live with him here.
This is all a fun exercise – and it’s neat to see where people who do get traded are (or aren’t) on this list and what the return is….
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This makes no sense. Harris turned into a pumpkin this spring. He was actually really good and on a good deal last year.
Yea the Rutschman one surprised me a lot. I would of assumed he would be on the guys that fell off list, then thought well, maybe he wasn’t worth even mentioning with how bad he has been
Anthony is tied for 2nd in my own trade value elo. Even as a Yankee fan that seems high but if ZiPS is that high on him I gotta imagine a lot of front offices are too. Probably would have him a little lower if I was not 550 votes in but interesting to see where he grades out on this list.
That’s insane. No actual GM would have him that high. They will always take folks with a proven body of work at the ML level.
Yeah these lists are always incredibly hard, but that’s the placement I disagree with most
I don’t think any GM is trading Anthony at league min for the right to pay Seager, Wheeler, or Lindor for their decline mid 30s. I also think if BOS called BAL and offered Anthony for Adley… Elias would take it quick
Jacob Misiorowksi has the same lack of track record but with a much riskier profile.
I think Anthony is closer to 15 than he is 50.
Boston would trade Anthony for Wheeler today.
Disagree. If they were willing to spend that money on pitching, why wouldn’t they just pay Framber Valdez or Michael King while keeping their potential cornerstone in Anthony?
It’s not Wheeler vs Anthony, it is Wheeler vs Anthony + 40mil aav to spend elsewhere
Because Zack Wheeler is a top five pitcher whereas Valdez and King aren’t in the top ten.
Crochet is a top 5 pitcher and a decade younger and much cheaper than Wheeler, and the redsox had Anthony off limits in those negotiations. Again, I think if the Phillies had Wheeler available and asked for RA, that is a non- starter for the Sox. Those elite prospects never get moved and no team would offer an equal talent
You are being deeply disingenuous by equating a pitcher who had only 244 professional innings across the majors and minors combined to a pitcher who has been worth at least 4 fWAR in each of the last seven non-COVID seasons.
You could not possibly be more wrong. Any singular prospect, even one as good as Anthony, is always available for a top five starting pitcher. Always. In fact, Philadelphia is the one who would hang up if Boston offered them that trade.
Wheeler is 35 and is making 45 mil aav. Teams are not looking at what he’s done, they are looking at what they project them to do going forward
Case in point, Crochet, even with those innings limits, will likely rank ahead of Wheeler,
FWIW the BTV site (which has been quite accurate) has Anthony *significantly* ahead of Wheeler in trade value.
That is precisely why I brought up his consistent excellence. Zack Wheeler is not someone who used to be elite and is now declining, he is currently a top five starting pitcher who has an established history of being a top five starting pitcher nearly every season. There are no red flags here. He is as safe a bet as any starting pitcher can be. That player is enormously valuable.
Crochet with another 135 major league innings of excellence is significantly more valuable than he was when the White Sox traded him. You’re glossing over the substantial uncertainty around what exactly teams would be trading for at that time.
Every contending team in baseball would trade Anthony for Wheeler. I wanted to trade Jackson Holliday for Tarik Skubal at the All Star break in 2024. Prospects have tremendous surplus value, but the objective for every team is to win championships and there is no better way to do that than to have one of the top five starting pitchers in baseball.
For some perspective, while it’s not 100% accurate, the BTV site has a +70 mil gap in value between Anthony and Wheeler. I’m not sure there has ever been a trade that has approached that level of gap.
The Red Sox traded the #1 prospect at the time, Yoán Moncada, plus three additional prospects in order to acquire Chris Sale.
Sale then was much much more valuable than Wheeler right now
Sale at the time had 3 years of control at ~15mil each. He was also like a near decade younger than Wheeler.
Again, that’s a massive point. It’s not just the player, it’s the salary, age, and years of control. That is what creates surplus value and trade value.
Sale was one of the most valuable assets traded in the last ~15 years considering age, salary, and talent. Wheeeler is too old and too expensive to get a mega prospect like that
Sale was also considered to be a significant injury risk. Again, you’re refusing to acknowledge that Wheeler has shown zero signs of decline. His velocity is as good as ever, he’s missing bats as much as ever, and he’s as durable as ever.
You refuse to believe it because a lot of us are prospect huggers who want to believe that every #1 guy is going to have a 30+ WAR career, but every single team in contention would trade Anthony for Wheeler. All of them, including the Red Sox.
Yeah I just disagree. I would be surprised if any team would trade Anthony for Wheeler. Maybe, like 1 or 2 desperate big market teams
A point that is not being discussed is that swapping those 2 would add over 40mil(!!) of payroll! Most teams are not signing off on that. That’s essentially trading Anthony AND Bregman for Wheeler. Most teams do not have unlimited budget so the 40 mil you adding will need to be cut elsewhere.
Sale, Cole, Snell, Crochet and Burns and all the aces that have been traded were making a fraction of Wheelers salary and they were also substantially younger
All contending teams would make that trade. The point of the sport is to win championships, not to accumulate the most surplus value. Wheeler gives you a substantially better chance of winning the World Series than Anthony does. He was a top five pitcher last season, he is a top five pitcher this season, and he projects to be a top five pitcher the final two seasons of his contract.
This simply isn’t true. FSG already spent $250 million on players for Liverpool this summer, and they have a provisional agreement to send another $93 million to Frankfurt for Hugo Ekiteke. They have more than enough money to add Zack Wheeler to the Red Sox.
That’s true but Sale was in his prime, on a super cheap deal, and signed for three years. I still think it’s a useful comp if we adjust for that, as hard as that might be.
Sale’s contract is why the Red Sox gave up the #21 overall prospect in addition to the #1 overall prospect in that deal.
If Wheeler was showing signs of decline like Corbin Burnes did when Milwaukee traded him then I wouldn’t be so adamant about this, but those signs aren’t there.
I think we agree, generally, that the contract was a big part of it.
The BTV site is a good tool but it is not gospel. It had the Orioles trading Stowers and Norby for Trevor Rogers as an overpay so massive by Miami that it would have rejected the trade. This take was widely panned at the time even before Stowers turned into what he is
YEAH DUDE!
That would be like trading a surefire stud like Jesus Montero or Justin Smoak for Cliff Lee!!!
While I don’t necessarily disagree, I do wonder how much Crochet’s price would have risen had the White Sox kept him and were looking to deal him at this year’s deadline.
On one hand, the team trading for him would be only be getting about 1 1/3 seasons of control instead of two, but on the other hand, Crochet would have demonstrated another 2/3 season’s of elite performance while pretty definitively answering questions about his ability to handle a front-line starter’s workload.
I think you’re right that Anthony would have remained off-limits, but pretty confident that everyone else in Boston’s system would have been on the table.
However, just for the sake of argument, let’s stretch the hypothetical to one where Crochet signed the (rumored) extension offered by the White Sox early in 2024, and then performed to the same level he has since. Would that version of Crochet, signed for under-market value for the next 4+ years (probably plus a club option or two, given the way the White Sox operate) be worth Anthony to the Red Sox?
I don’t know, but I don’t think it’s as clear-cut as you’re making it out to be, especially in a competitive trade market.
It’s fair point. I’m not sure I agree that Crochet today has significantly more value than in the offseason. Maybe he does, but if I recall, the redsox were the clear heavy bidder for crochet, and that was with Anthony, Campbell and Mayer all off limits . So his value would have had to really skyrocket for that to be the case. Maybe it did, but Im not sure. I view him as about equal to when he was traded. A little more certainly but with less control
Oh, Anthony’s inclusion wouldn’t even be up for negotiation.
The only question would be who else Boston were throwing in.
But was part of the “Anthony off limits” position a product of having a good number of other desirables to move for him at that moment? Absent that I wonder what their attitude may have been.
Because Wheeler would be available mid season and is a whole lot better than them.
The Red Sox already have a guy pitching like a league ace so maybe they figure they have that box checked but there are only 3-5 league aces in the league most years and Wheeler is the real deal. Lowest xERA among qualified starters, 4th in ERA-, 4th in FIP-, 2nd in SIERA. He’s not Tarik Skubal, but neither is anyone else.
Sure but this is only looking at things through this season . That trade would increase their playoffs/WS odds this season while decreasing it going forward (assuming they would actually use that money elsewhere)
Not even BOS centered, I don’t think any team would trade Anthony + 40mil aav for Wheeler, unless literally their only objective was increasing odds this season. I don’t even think the win-now teams like the dodgers or Yankees would do it bc Anthony represents an opportunity to extend their windows (and that money can go towards other things next year)
You think the New York Yankees would rather have Roman Anthony or Zack Wheeler on their roster right now?
The Mets?
The Phillies?
The Cubs?
The Blue Jays?
The Astros?
For that matter, would you rather have Anthony or Crochet right now? Crochet is cheaper than Wheeler but he’s a good yardstick. If you could only keep Crochet or Anthony, which one would it be?
There are some teams that would prefer Anthony over Wheeler, like the Tigers or Mariners or Brewers, because of the market size and the core under team control. But the bidding for someone like Wheeler would get very intense. There are not that many guys like that out there.
I would take Anthony over Crochet
I disagree w those teams picking Wheeler over Anthony. I think there is quite a large difference in surplus value (like ~70mil according to BTV). There is a win-now aspect that wheeler would have over Anthony but a decision like this is so much more than this season.
I would put it this way, if the Dodgers had Anthony, and Wheeler was on the market, I do not think they would make that trade. I think they trade *everyone but* Anthony kind of like the redsox in the crochet trade talks
Okay, if you’re taking Anthony over Crochet then there’s not a lot left to discuss. You just think Anthony is a much better bet to turn into a star than I do.
He’s a very good prospect, but I don’t think he has this much trade value.
It’s quite possible we value Anthony differently, but I’d also point out the redsox literally traded for Crochet while keeping Anthony (and he was reportedly off limits)
Crochet’s value is probably up since then, but so is Anthony’s, so I’m not sure there would have been a significantly change there (unless you think Crochets extension gives him way way more value than just his 2 yrs of service)
Let’s flip it then. If the Red Sox put Anthony on the market because they’ve got 4 OFs and want to maximize their return (let’s say they want a pitcher and SS), do the Dodgers trade for Anthony? Do the Phillies? Do the Rays? Rangers? Sure everyone will see him as a potential star to build around, but who is going to give up what his surplus value says he is “worth”?
They 100% would make that trade
I disagree. Because $42m per year. How many teams could take on $42m of salary over what they have now?
It’s only going to be 1/3rd that at the trade deadline, and then $42M next year.
I’d say about 8 or 9 teams.
Teams that could and would do that for a player of Zack Wheeler’s caliber: Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox, Cubs, Mets, Phillies, Blue Jays (7 teams).
Teams that could and might do that for a player of Zack Wheeler’s caliber: Giants, Rangers, Astros, Angels (4 teams).
The Braves could but I don’t think they would, but that’s just my opinion. Same with the Mariners, but I have a very different opinion of their finances than they do.
I think there would be a lot of other teams that would be very interested in just taking Wheeler and that deal onto their roster for free because they knew they could trade him again and take no money in the 2025-2026 offseason, but the teams that would actually bid excellent prospects would be 8 or 9 of those 11 teams.
Again but this ignores the opportunity cost of Anthony’s low salary
It’s not Anthony vs Wheeler, it’s Anthony +40mil aav to spend on whoever you want vs Wheeler
A very real redsox example is:
Anthony, Bregman, and a good reliever vs wheeler. Both those options cost about the same in terms of aav
I think you need to flip around your thinking a bit here. I’m fairly certain there is no package the Red Sox could offer the Phillies to induce them to trade Wheeler to them. Anthony alone definitely wouldn’t get it done and that’s despite them being a team that could use a good outfielder. It would meaningfully blow a hole in their championship window right now.
By the same token, it’s hard for many teams to take on that type of salary midseason, if we’re talking generally about his trade value.
Who are you spending the 40mil on that improves removing a legitimate Playoff Ace? There are no Zack Wheelers available. There’s like 4 guys I would put in the same category with him and one of them is Misiorowski who we know basically nothing about
This is the key point. The four best starters in MLB right now are Skubal (clear #1) and then Crochet, Skenes, and Wheeler in whatever order you think is best. Those are your league aces, and Wheeler would cost the least in terms of prospects by a lot (those three will definitely be somewhere in the next entries) because he’s getting paid a ton AAV.
I think there are starters that are more “valuable” than Wheeler because Wheeler’s salary is quite high. I would think that Hunter Brown, Christopher Sanchez, and Logan Webb would return much more in a trade than Wheeler. But none of those guys have been on this list either, and they will be.
Right, and we KNOW Wheeler has delivered when it counts. We dont KNOW with most of these other guys. I’m pretty damn confident Skubal and Skenes are not going to go Kershaw on me but that’s about where that list ends.
Crochet and The Miz being the next two names are exactly why you dont trade Wheeler, you dont let him walk, you do give him 42 million dollars and you dont think twice about it
Alex Bregman is pretty good…
I don’t think they would. Perhaps in part because they just got Crochet for a generational discount, but 2 years of a 35 year old pitcher is not something you trade a 21-year old star for. You can say he’s not a star yet, and that’s fine, but his early production and certainly ZIPS would disagree with you.
It’s probably best to wait on Braden Montgomery, who has a 134 wRC+ across 350 PA in his first year of pro ball, to declare the Crochet trade a “generational discount,” especially given that the other two main pieces in the deal are holding their own in the majors as rookies at premium, up-the-middle, positions.
Oh sure, Braden Montgomery could be Mickey mantle, I don’t mean to guarantee that the Red Sox won the trade on surplus value or whatever
I mean that Crochet pretty clearly should have cost Anthony or Campbell or Mayer or some combination.
Anthony was never available, but though it’s very, very early, based on their performances so far, I’m happy the White Sox got Teel and Meidroth instead of Campbell and/or Mayer.
Particularly, Meidroth’s ability to play a genuine major league shortshop has been an extremely pleasant, and unexpected, surprise.
right now I’d say Mayer and Campbell are valued at 55 FV (would knock down Campbell half grade from 60, although I’d personally have a 60 on Mayer) and Teel a 50. I’d still have Meidroth as a 45 as a good utility piece.
I think the swing piece for the WS will be Monty, who I think has a chance to be quite good
What gets me Logan Webb? Half Wheeler’s baseball age at half the price.
Half again as many prospects.
I don’t think the Red Sox would but I think it’s possible that some other teams would.
In 1990, with short-term pennant aspirations in mind, the Red Sox traded a promising young slugger for a mid-30s pitcher. (It didn’t work out well.)
Larry Andersen is not Zack Wheeler. Top five starting pitchers almost never get traded precisely because they are so enormously valuable. Top five prospects get traded far more often.
I’d definitely disagree with this. When was the last time a consensus top 5 prospect got traded? Moncada a decade ago?
They simply do not get traded in the modern game. Ever
It’s more rare for sure. What was Wood ranked when he was traded from Padres? Pretty high I think.
I believe Wood was the third ranked prospect traded in that deal. He was definitely not as heavy a focus as Gore
MacKenzie Gore was the #2 overall prospect in 2021 and C.J. Abrams was #6 when the Padres traded both of them, plus James Wood and three others, for Juan Soto and Josh Bell.
As for Moncada, remember that the Red Sox also sent Michael Kopech (#21) and two other prospects for Sale.
Here was Ben Clemens’s summary of Gore at the time of the Soto trade:
“If you stopped following prospects exactly two years ago, you’d think Gore was the no-doubt headliner of the deal. He topped out at second overall on our Top 100 in 2020 after entering that season ranked third, but that was before mysterious mechanical issues clouded his future. He’s been more average than exciting in his major league debut thanks to intermittent control lapses, but the upside is certainly there; […] Currently on the IL with elbow inflammation, he’s a fixer-upper of sorts, but a luxury one, a mansion in need of remodeling and a new groundskeeper.”
So clearly was no longer seen as one of the top 5 prospects in the game.
Well, a young slugger for a late 30s reliever. Two years earlier, they traded a promising but inconsistent starter and an OF prospect for a #2 starter who helped them to the playoffs in 1988 and 1990. That’s generally viewed a little more positively. 🙂
It might. It also might not. I’d handicap it as a lot less likely than not.
This discussion came up as part of the Anthony write-up, that it becomes hard to get the full value for guys like that who are in a limbo between still not yet proven enough as MLB producers but too far removed from just being a promising prospect. And I think that was correct – the way the league does deals doesn’t give a guy in that exact place his full logical trade value, but at the same time the team holding the player has little reason to trade a guy at a suppressed value.
The Red Sox went through the same thing when the Twins refused to consider any package for Johan Santana that didn’t include Ellsbury or Buchholz. Both were similar “limbo” guys, bringing too much “not just prospects anymore” confidence to go with their essentially full slate of cheap control to be worth trading if they were going to “only” be treated as centerpiece prospects, and yet we can all understand why the Twins wouldn’t treat them as more than that. And so guess what? No trade happened!
All this really says is that high-end prospects who have shown “enough” but only in a still-small sample size are virtually untradable, not because they’re too valuable but because they don’t return enough value while likely being on the verge of proving themselves enough to then be able to draw full value.
Going back to the Santana situation, you had a pitcher set to be 29 and paid a top-market extension, so he’s a special producer to have but also one who is getting appropriately compensated. Big market teams need to find ways to add such producers and can’t be all about surplus value, but it would be foolish to surrender a guy who both brings the full financial surplus value projections of an MLB-ready high-end prospect *and* who has shown you enough at the MLB level that you already perceive him to be more than just a prospect. You’re talking guys who could be good or even star players *and* cheap, and who would help you make things work even if they were “just” solid players at that cost control…that’s too much value for a Santana, or a full-paid locked-in ace who has basically announced that you’re for sure only getting him through 2027 and that’s that.
If you’re the Phillies, you can understand why you aren’t pulling the trigger for an Anthony – but if you’re the Red Sox, you’re likewise saying “forget Anthony entirely, we can build completely different packages”. Feels like the only way this could actually lead to a real deal is if the Wheeler-selling team is so hard up to find an answer at the defensive position of the Anthony piece that it sees the guy as enough help in the present (so, not just for the “future”) that said team is now willing to value him at full theoretical/logical value. The stars probably need to align for that to actually happen in terms of everything fitting (including the selling team thinking it can make losing Wheeler work), and that’s probably why such deals never really happen.
Speaking only for myself, if I as a Boston fan were given the ability to make a straight Anthony-for-Wheeler trade happen, I wouldn’t, and I’m not remotely convinced that they would too. But I definitely can’t say that Boston definitely wouldn’t take such a deal.
Absolutely not – Sam Kennedy would never approve the expense.
It’s why their GM’s a “fucking stiff” who was #4 on the totem pole at his last spot.
A world class org like the Dodgers, Mets, or Braves would absolutely trade a 60 FV RF for Wheeler, though.
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Oh man, I feel pretty strongly that the Contreras and Rutschman rankings are bad, and I’ll point out that Contreras is not actually on pace for a 3.5-4 WAR season. There are reasons to believe both will hit better next year: Contreras because he’s been playing through injury and Rutschman because his expected stats are better than his batting line. But Rutschman now has 2 straight years as a mediocre hitter with average to slightly below average defensive metrics. I think Contreras’s power will come back somewhat next season, but it’s very possible he’s already peaked offensively. Now, Contreras is so good defensively that I can understand betting on the upside, but for Rutschman I really don’t get it at all.
Not that one ranking matters either, but I can’t think of any justification for having Rutschman ahead of Contreras regardless. The latter is a clear tier ahead.
They’re probably in the same bucket as Drake Baldwin for me, in that big bucket of guys who could be in the 40s or could be HMs. They’re probably going to play better than this but it’s not guaranteed because catching is hard on the body, but the team control is also dwindling. I like them, just not this much.
Would I trade either of them for Addison Barger or Brent Rooker? I don’t know, I would have to get back to you on that.
Baldwins hit took seems so so good. Good enough he needs to play everyday. Course people would of said that about Adley too
Being a catcher is hard on your body! Will Smith has dramatically fallen off in the second half of the year the last few years. JT Realmuto went from a 6.7 fWAR year to a 2 win year and never bounced back. It’s the only real reason to be worried about Cal Raleigh.
I’ve seen outfield floated.
Completely agree. Especially with his defense being pretty mediocre for multiple years I don’t see how Rutschman still has this kind of value
100%.
The Mets sent Francisco Alvarez to Syracuse for similar production that Rutschman has given the O’s since 2023.
I am aware that Rutschman was significantly better in the past, and has a higher WAR than Alvarez via more PT, but my point broadly remains.
Rutschman is a rebound bet. How is that much different than Michael Harris, or Alvarez himself?
I am not seeing a lot of differences between this group, the players in the 40s, and a lot of the players in the HMs. For real.
I think Wheeler belongs in the 20s somewhere and Ketel Marte is behind him, maybe in this spot, maybe a touch higher. But after Marte I think I’m taking Anthony, Rafaela, and Kurtz, and then a group of Gilbert / Gore / Ryan / Woo. And then *probably* my outfield trio of Langford, Butler, and Duran, with Lindor either just ahead of them or just behind them, and then maybe Jeremy Pena?
And then we get to about 41 or 42 and I am like, whatever, how would you order it? I think Buxton and Seager are similar and about on the HM / list border, and Neto and Westburg are HMs. Do we think Abrams has a position? Do we think our development team can make Oneil Cruz into a left handed Judge or Stanton? Do we think Misiorowski is going to blow out his arm tomorrow? There seems to be a group of 20 players who would slot into 41 – 60 for me that normally would be 31 – 50 on this list, due to how stacked the league is, and which are harder to parse.
It seems like you value cheap team control a lot, which is perfectly fair. I think the hard thing is that you have to consider that there are teams which have the money to spare for the Ketel Martes and Corey Seagers of the world, and if the money isn’t an issue, then those are tremendous trade targets.
I also think I just fundamentally disagree with you on Nick Kurtz, Jarren Duran, and a few of your pitchers listed. I’m with Ben on this – 2 years of a pitcher is potentially great, but it’s also potentially 0 years of a pitcher. Batters are just way safer bets.
I agree with the logic but this is what makes me question Miz vs Anthony placement on this list. Misiorowski is a total freak, but he’s a pitcher. Anthony is also a bit of a freak, but he’s a hitter.
Same number of years for two guys who are top tier prospects, but one’s a pitcher and one’s a hitter, I don’t see how you take the pitcher there.
But the thing about pitchers is that because they keep breaking the prices for the ones that don’t keep going up.
You can look at that and say “I’m just going to cheap out on pitching and invest in hitting instead” or you can say “I have to have someone good to start, I know I’m taking a risk but I don’t have much of a choice.”
I’m clearly more towards the latter category than you are, but there’s a reason why people are talking about Mitch Keller as the big fish in the trade market this deadline when he shouldn’t even be an honorable mention on this list. Starters who can pitch for you in the playoffs are rare, so if there’s one available for cheap they’re worth a huge amount.
As far as cost, yeah, there will be some differences between how a team like the Twins are going to value a player versus a team like the Rangers or Giants. But there are only three teams in MLB right now who act like they’re not resource constrained (Dodgers, Mets, Yankees) so budget does matter. For a team like the Twins, having Joe Ryan is way more valuable because Seager doesn’t fit into their budget. For a team like the Giants, having Joe Ryan is still more valuable because it means you won’t be trading Matt Chapman or Willy Adames to make payroll space for Corey Seager.
You can put Lindor a little higher if you want, he’s definitely better than Marte and Seager (and more durable), and I think even medium-large markets could go for him given how good he is. But I do see Marte as being significantly more valuable than Seager because they’re similar players and one costs over 50% more than the other over the next six years or whatever.
I think the hitting vs pitching debate is legit. Pitchers break, which makes them much more risky than hitters, but like, you also need pitchers, and good ones at that
My take is that I would protect my top of the line bats, and bats that have star potential. I think they are too valuable to move for pitching. But outside the elite upside bats, I think you have to be willing to overspend on playoffs starters.
Like, there is no way id prefer Westburg or Neto to say Ryan or Gore. I think the orioles would trade Westburg for Ryan so fast
Also, I think this is where having a deep farm is really important bc you just need loads of dudes with stuff to build out a staff
Honestly one thing im learning is people value different things
Is surplus value the bottom dollar? Or do you put a premium on upper end talent? Do you view pitching vs hitting the same? Or do you knock pitchers down bc injury risk? Or do you knock pitchers up bc they start playoff games. Would you rather have a certain guy with less surplus value upside or the less certain guy with more surplus value upside?
For me, I look at it as “who would put my organization in a better/healthier situation”, not necessarily “who gives me the best WS odds now or in the next few years”
So I tend to value pitchers less due to injury risk, and value older players less due to aging curves + salary
So on a list like this, I’d value guys like Wheeler an Seager less and guys like Anthony, Kurtz, and Wilson more.
Ok, but we’ve observed that upper-end talent and playoff pitchers (both starters and relievers) garner a large premium in trades and free agent signings. Ben’s list attempts to reflect what trades have actually happened and does a decent job at it. Your preferences don’t reflect what we’ve already observed from the last 10-15 years of trades. (I think Baseball Trade Values isn’t good at it either.)
I’m not sure I’d take Kurtz in the same bucket as Anthony and Rafaela just because first base (as compared to Rafaela’s premium d) and Anthony (who I value highly because he reminds me more than a little of Wood who was my favorite guy last year) but I can get behind a lot of the rest of this
I understand the Kurtz skepticism because he strikes out and doesn’t offer much defensive value (this year he’s been actually bad defensively, although I doubt it will continue to that extent). But he is #7 in barrel% (min: 250 PAs) and his xHR says he’d have 16 homers in a neutral park in only 252 PAs. These are not things that are easy to fake. This is in the ballpark of 80 game power, and playing half his games in that little stadium he could very easily top Judge’s single-season HR total.
I like Roman Anthony better, but Kurtz reminds me a lot of some of the great TTO first base mashers of the last few decades–Matt Olson, Chris Davis, Ryan Howard…right tail outcome probably looks like Carlos Delgado, that’s probably not happening. But if he had 2-3 years like Carlos Pena’s peak and the rest of his team control years he was an average, 2-win type player, he’d more than justify a ranking in the middle of this list.
In a completely unrelated event, one of the strangest endings to a ballgame in recent memory happened last night. Red Sox vs. Phillies, bottom of the 10th, bases loaded with Phillies, batter checks his swing on a pitch called a ball. In the process of checking his swing, bat touches catcher’s glove. Runners advance on catcher interference, game over.
I’m not sure if a catcher-interference walk-off on a pitch that was a ball has happened before (and technically no swing, since it was checked). Does anyone know? That was a lot to absorb and downright silly ending to a game
Apparently it has…in the 70’s and involved Johnnie Bench
The Bench one apparently was not due to a swing hitting his bat; it was because the runner on third tried to steal home and Bench moved in front to block the plate – the ump ruled that the batter didn’t have the opportunity to swing. Per Posnanski, I haven’t double-checked him. So it’s a little different than last night.
I appreciate the explanation on Yamamoto. He was the single pitcher I had the hardest time with in the trade value tool, between his
Putting him next to Wheeler was helpful for me contextually. Just take the elite pitcher and pay him until he leaves. The Dodgers certainly hope he opts out after 2029 because of what that likely meant about his 2026-29. The downside scenario of $30m a year from 2030-35 is intimidating, though maybe less so for his current team than any hypothetical trade partner
The problem with “Just take the elite pitcher and pay him until he leaves.” is that sometimes you get Stephen Strasburg
You are exactly right. To contradict my original comment, there is a massive difference between paying Wheeler for the next 2.5 years and committing to Yamamoto through 2035, even if there are very few pitchers I would rather bet on long term.
After changing my mind on Yamamoto a dozen times in the trade value tool, I’m now doing it in the comments as well
And the problem with playing it safe, is that you can end up in the playoffs opposing Zack Wheeler with Tomoyuki Sugano.
…which is what makes Zach Wheeler, specifically, quite valuable. He’s high-floor (as much as any pitcher can be) while being relatively low risk
I like Yamamoto and think the contract will probably age fine, but he is going to be paid $30M a year starting in a year and a half. And at that point I am not sure how much extra value he has. I would definitely take him on that deal because it’s so hard to find playoff-capable starters but with all of the ways pitchers can break a super long contract that is paying him $30M a year I’m not putting him quite this high.
This is exactly why I struggled so much. Every time he popped up I would think about a different wildly positive or wildly negative attribute. The contract is scary. But he’s also 26 and will likely hit 200 career innings in his next start with a sub 3 FIP. If he’s as good as you want him to be, he’s gone in 4 years, and if he isn’t, he’s stuck on your books at $30m annually.
At the end of the day, I agree and think he would end up outside my top 50. I want to bet on the talent but there’s too much downside risk when the upside is hard capped with the 2 opt outs.
The opt-outs are the big problem. You’ve got him locked up for a few years on a reasonable deal. But those options mean that if he’s really bad or hurt, you’ve got a long, bad contract. If he’s really good, he opts out and it’s over.
I don’t view the opt outs as a disqualifier, and if anything they make him more enticing. I’d be very happy to pay Yamamoto a reasonable salary for the next 4 years and shake his hand if he opts out at age 31 and let another team take the gamble
Both I and the dodgers agree that if he has a great next 4 years and opts out, that’s the best case scenario.
The problem is that ceiling scenario is limited to 4 years, but he has 10 years of downside risk in the case of injury. Which is why I still believe he’s the hardest pitcher to rank
So the Dodgers disagree with their own contract? Why would they want Yamamoto to opt out if he has a great next 4 years? If he’s Zach Wheeler at age 30, the $31M he’s getting annually would be a bargain for the 5 years following. I mean maybe there’s another 26 year old free agent in 5 years they’d prefer to give another 9 year contract with opt-outs to, but most likely the best pitchers are going to be hitting FA at 30 or 31.
The reason you’d rank Yamamoto lower is in the case that he doesn’t opt out, ie, he’s injured or turns bad. And that’s more likely to happen to a pitcher than a hitter, but playoff pitchers are extremely desirable in trades. Hence, Ben’s ranking of Yamamoto.
The Dodgers obviously don’t disagree with their own contract, they just don’t have a choice given the opt-out. This is all moot if Yamamoto just loves the Dodgers and chooses to stay regardless but he has the opt outs so will presumably look to use them.
Going into 2030, he will have the choice of free agency or 6/170m. If he is worth that contract or more, he elects free agency after providing great value. If he can’t beat that on the open market, he stays, and it’s inherently a bad contract. Do you understand why the scenarios where he opts out are better for the Dodgers?
You’re telling me the Dodgers wouldn’t sign a FA Ace Pitcher at age 30 or 31 to more than 6/$170M 5 years from now?
They would sign that guy to $36M or more AAV for 6 years, easily — especially with inflation. The Yankees gave 29yo Gerrit Cole, 9y/$324M. Did the Yankees not understand the scenarios where that deal wouldn’t work?
I guess I just have a fundamental difference of opinion with these rankings in that I don’t think catchers are as valuable as this. I didn’t agree with Moreno on the list last year and don’t agree with the Contrares or Rutschman ones here. Those two are 12th and 19th in catcher WAR this year and both only have 2 more years of control. I would trade either for pretty much any player on list below them and a bunch not on list. I mean, would anyone take 2 years of Rutschman over 5 years of Jacob Wilson? Hard to believe.
I find it hard to believe that you would prefer Wilson, who looks a lot like David Fletcher’s early career minus some defending and adding some power. That’s just not a profile I’m ever going to believe in over the long-term.
Agree with your point overall besides the part about Wilson, who’s probably one of the only players on this list I wouldn’t this catching duo over
I was really high on Jacob Wilson coming into this exercise but I didn’t realize that he basically put up 3 wins in his first couple months and then has been about at replacement level for June and July. He’s more faking it at shortstop than excelling, the power dropped off a lot, and his bat has been ice cold in July (really, really bad). I think he’s part of that big group on the HM / back end of list border.
I do think there is something to consolidating that value into a short time period, and running hot/cold is probably how a player with his hitting profile is going to run anyway but…also thats why those type of players are not the most reliable
Fun game, but have you tried this one: Would you rather have Roman Anthony?
Marte: signed for ages 31-38, $110 mil, proj WAR: ~17
Anthony: signed ages 21-27, min then arb, proj WAR: ~20
You would have to really, really, REALLY distrust those projections to prefer Marte. And of course, there is a good reason to distrust them somewhat. There’s a ton more variability in a 21-year-old who’s barely played at the Major League level. On the other hand, there are plenty of concerns about a middle infielder aging into his late 30s.
He explained the low ranking for prospects in the earlier section. We have less data to confidently assess their future, and there is a time shift difference in their expected value. On surplus value, all of us would expect Anthony to be more valuable, but that’s true for most prospect trades around the deadline. Teams that give up such prospects are looking for immediate value rather than cumulative value.
I acknowledged the variability of young players. There’s also variability and risk in players who are signed into their late 30s.
And just because we expect that young players would have more surplus value doesn’t mean we should dismiss or downgrade it. Some of Marte’s value comes from his surplus value as well, but it’s listed only as an asset.
As for present vs. future, Anthony is a good player right now. He’s not some phenom beating up high-A pitchers.
There is far less variability for players with a larger sample size because we have observed the league adjusting to them and there subsequent adjustments to the league. We are much more confident in assessing their value than attempting to do so for someone with 142 plate appearances in the major leagues.
Marte is a dramatically better player right now. The value of wins today is higher to a general manager than the value of wins spread out over 2027 to 2031.
I think you make a good case for Marte as being less of a risk. But there is still a decent amount of risk being committed to a middle infielder into his late 30s.
Another consideration: even though the risk of Marte falling off dramatically is small, if he does then you are on the hook for $100M+. If Anthony busts, you owe nothing.
I think there is a very decent chance that Anthony is in the top 20 next year, and I’m a huge believer in him. I think I’d still put him behind Marte right now because a lot can happen.
He looks like a dude though, and reminds me of James Wood (who I expect we’ll find in the top 10)
I think you hit the nail on the head that it comes down to the error bars.
Marte’s projection is “14-22 WAR” (on a <$15m AAV).
Anthony’s is “5-30 WAR” on an unknown AAV.
Putting numbers on the error bars is illuminating. But do we really think that Anthony’s reasonable floor is around 5 WAR? Benintendi was brought up earlier as a cautionary tale and he put up 11.3 WAR 6+ years of min + arb. Coming into this year, ZIPS had Anthony’s 20th percentile WAR at 1.0. That was before he played well in AAA and the Majors this year at age 21.
The other Darren in this thread really, REALLY likes Anthony 🤣
I get it man, seems like an amazing prospect. It’s how I felt about J-Rod two years ago…now I see him routinely swinging at pitches two feet outside the strike zone and having a sub-.700 OPS at the halfway point of the season.
Prospects are AWESOME. But we usually don’t know what they are worth til several 100’s of AB’s.
Yes, yes I do. But I mainly keep referencing him because he’s a Red Sox player, so I have a better feeling for him than for the other top prospects. Also, I really like him. 🙂
And if J-Rod is your cautionary tale, then I’m willing to risk settling for Anthony being only as good as him. 🙂
Fair…and I’m not dumping on Anthony. Seems like a great prospect. I do however think actual GM’s understand the risks with prospects well and will shade towards a Marte or Wheeler if they think it gets them a ring.
Those are not accurate error bars. Marte is projected for ~16 WAR including the rest of this year, the downside is much less than 14 WAR.
Maybe something like:
Marte: 12-22
Anthony: 10-30
I also want to point out that the “unknown AAV” is guaranteed to be less than what he is actually worth.
Yeah I think in reality, Anthony is pretty comfortably a top 30 trade value guy. Had this list came out in the offseason, he would be much higher baring a really really poor finish to the year
But I understand the logic of his placement as they don’t want to get ahead of themselves and want to let him earn it
It’s kind of like when you have 2 50 FV prospects. One is a low ceiling MLB ready guy, the other is a stud in A ball who could be a 65 FV. They are both 50s but no one would trade the higher ceiling guy for the probable 4th starter. Like, Payton Tolle and Richard Fitts are both 50s, but one of them has much higher value than the other
I don’t blame anyone for thinking that Rutschman is ranked too highly, as both his offensive and defensive prowess have declined precipitously from his first two seasons, but I’m pretty confident that teams would agree with this ranking. Catchers who have that kind of ceiling in both facets are exceptionally rare, and no one knows why he has fallen off to such a degree, which makes it easier to believe that you can get him back there.
But he only has 2 years of control left, and how long does it take you to get him there? I’m not confident that he’ll outperform Carson Kelly (who obviously is not at all close to this list) either offensively or defensively next year, and I don’t think the extra year of control makes him that much more valuable.
That’s why it’s relevant that the underlying metrics suggest that he has been unlucky this season rather than bad. It’s possible that he’s already fixed.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2025/06/the-orioles-long-term-catching-situation.html
Says Rutschman was hit on the hand by a foul tip on June 27, 2024, took a while to recover, then had bad BABIP-luck this year.
That said, no way he should be on a top-50 list.
“Lindor is somehow underrated despite being an obvious star; over the past four seasons, he’s neck-and-neck with Shohei Ohtani and Bobby Witt Jr. for the second-best player in baseball, trailing only Aaron Judge.”
(fWAR, 2022-25)
Ohtani 32.0
Witt 23.4
Lindor 23.0
Anybody who has paid a little attention to your writing about Ohtani here on fangraphs knows that you don’t like him, but you shouldn’t lie to us.
I still wonder in what universe Lindor is underrated? Baseball types literally never shut up about him.
He didn’t make the ASG the last 3 years as baseball over-corrected and tried to make the game largely a WAR contest for the first half of the season. Casual fans do better at picking an all star team.
What? Yes, of course I would. That’s what outlier means. I mean, come on, a “Chris Sale type” is basically Chris Sale and maybe 5 other guys in MLB history.
Exactly–we can dream on the far right tale outcome where he’s a right-handed Big Unit or Sale. But what are the real chances of that? 5%? 1%?
The right-tail outcome isn’t those guys, it’s JR Richard.
But I think his arm falls off, Tyler Glasnow is more what I’m expecting.
I think you just broke my brain trying to picture JR Richard as a lanky outlier. 🙂
The smart bet is always going to be that someone with outlier velocity and stuff breaks down. I find it impossible to compare modern guys to dudes who threw in the 70’s. If Richard only threw ~160 innings per season, would he have been even better on a per-inning basis? Stuff-wise, I can’t think of many who throw both fastballs and ‘offspeed’ pitches as hard as Miz with that much extension.
98 mile slider during all star game. My head exploded.
He’s more robustly built, but isn’t Garrett Crochet (tall, lower-slot power lefty drafted by the White Sox who started in the bullpen and everyone thought was going to break until he didn’t) more or less Chris Sale 2.0?
I love Crochet as much as the next guy, but he got TJ after just 70 major league innings before he even made a single start. Sale may have started in the pen, but he never missed significant time till almost a decade into his career. It’s too early to call Crochet Sale 2.0 when he’s yet to qualify for an ERA title.
Fair enough. I might be biased as White Sox fan who never understood why they were using Crochet out of the bullpen. I might have been the only person on the planet not surprised whatsoever when he broke out as crazily as he did last year.
No you weren’t.
He’s not lanky enough! 🙂
Lol exactly. Yes I would be surprised if Miz had multiple years of 200 innings like Sale, even if we adjusted that number to a more modern 160
Yeah but he will probably have several years above 5 WAR, a CYA, a triple crown, and make 9 All-Star games.
There is no way I’d trade Roman Anthony for Mis . Zero chance
Should we give more value to new York players? It is a skill to perform in the toughest(and greatest) city with the best fans
Even if that were true, they’d lose that bonus value upon being traded to 28 out of the 29 other teams.
This is where the list diverges a lot from what I would have come up with. I’m just not willing to place a high trade value on hitters past the age of 30 being paid $30M+/year. And it seems like when front offices do move those types of guys, they have to eat a lot of money to get reasonable prospects back. I would have those guys likely in the next bin or HMs. I honestly have no idea what to do with catchers though.
The galaxy brain offseason trade that came to mind after reading this: Drake Baldwin for Corey Seager
Texas fills a massive hole at C, and they have Smith to cover SS until Wolcott is ready in the next couple of years.
Atlanta fills a massive hole at SS, and they still have Murphy as a great primary catcher. Plus, they just reset the luxury tax this year and may be willing to increase budget after getting some extra revenue from hosting the All-Star game.
(This will very obviously not happen.)
Having watched Walcott play I think he’s ready now. I still don’t think I’d do that trade, because I think Seager can have a lot of value and you can find a place for him
The fact that Texas won the bidding for Seager would hypothetically signify that, at the time of the signing, no team thought his value was above that contract. But now, as a 31 year old, has his value actually increased to the point where teams find his contract to be worth it for his decline years and also be willing to give up a top prospect to do so?
It’s a good question but there are a couple of things working in his favor:
I would also add too, resources are finite. It’s possible that teams did think that Seager was worth that money and even more perhaps, but they ran into constraints that the Rangers didn’t have or were willing to ignore.
For instance, the Blue Jays were in the running for him (per Passan) but they had already spent ~$200M that winter across a few deals, and maybe didn’t want to add another $300M+ to that figure when while Seager would have been a big addition, maybe they didn’t see it as enough of a needle move from where they were at that cost.
And hey you know what, Santiago Espinal ended up being a nice player in Seager’s stead.
The pitch grades on Yamamoto’s fastball surprise me. I could swear the internal grades we had with the Marlins had his fastball movement as above average, but I could be misremembering.
For Wheeler’s ranking, we have a couple of interesting, if imperfect, comps: Verlander and Scherzer.
Similarities: aces, pitching well, older, making ~$40 mil/year.
Differences: Wheeler is younger, pitching better, signed for longer.
Here’s what they brought back:
Verlander + $35 to $52 mil:
Ryan Clifford, 45 FV, A+
Drew Gilbert, 50 FV, AAA
Scherzer + $35 mil:
Luisangel Acuna 50 FV, AA
Wheeler’s better than these guys were and younger. But these guy pitchers clearly both had negative trade value. Even if he’s $35 mil more valuable than Scherzer, for example, that means he’d bring back Luisangle Acuna.
I think because Scherzer and Verlander were so good for so long that you’re downplaying the differences at the time of the trade.
Wheeler’s contract ends before the age Scherzer and Verlander were at the time of their trades. He’s also significantly better — he’s pretty clearly a top 3 starter in baseball right now, but Scherzer and Verlander were not that at the time of their trades..
Wheeler is 35 with a 2.39 ERA (10th among starters), 2.56 xFIP (2nd), and 28.1% K-BB% (2nd).
At the time of Scherzer’s trade, he was 38 and had posted a 4.01 ERA (54th among starters with 80+ IP), 4.11 xFIP (51st), and 20.5% K-BB% (15th) that season. At the time of Verlander’s trade, he was 40 and had posted a 3.15 ERA (16th), a 4.54 xFIP (75th) and 13.0% K-BB% (66th, with a 7.73 K/9).
Mets ate a huge amount of salary to maximize their return.
Also, Gerrit Cole, Garrett Crochett, and Blake Snell I would argue were all more valuable at the time when they were traded, and they didn’t get massive hauls. Cease a little behind, but you can throw him in the mix too
The Crochet haul was pretty good, though, wasn’t it?
It was pretty good, but more quantity over quality (they got some good pieces, but not 60 FV or even 55 FV types) Pretty sure it was a 50/50/45/40 package
I think this is understating how much better present day Wheeler is than 2023 Verlander/Scherzer.
Wheeler is still very much at the peak of his powers and on the short list for best pitchers in baseball. He’s also shown absolutely zero injury concerns for years now. Scherzer and Verlander were both very much in decline and neither profiled as aces at that point, and both missed time with injury that year
All fair points.
Verlander and Scherzer were both either cooked or at the least “medium-well” at the times of those trades. They were nowhere near the category of “consistently one of the best pitchers in baseball, the type who you favor to win you any Playoff game singlehandedly – and then be ready to pitch again a few days later and win you another”
Two observations about pitchers:
1. Misiorowski’s path (so far) reminds me of Spencer Strider more than anyone, given that he was minor league stuff/strikeout machine downgraded as prospect due to (perceived) reliever risk who became (again, so far) an instant, or near-instant star in the majors – even if Misiorowski’s minor league walk problems were a bit more pronounced than Strider’s.
2. The (understandable) focus on pitcher injury risk is a huge part of the reason I never understood when people tried to trash Dylan Cease’s trade value when the White Sox were looking to deal him.
Given his year-to-year volatility, is Cease a true ace? No, he’s not, but a starting pitcher who’s going to give you 175+ innings across 30+ starts with a mid 3’s ERA (on average) year after year (and who’s never been injured as a professional, to boot) should be an insanely valuable quantity.
I dont see Miz as a comp to Strider. Strider falls to me in a sort of over-optimized world (both in his actual body as well as his knowledge of how to leverage advanced statistics into game performance) that I think overstates his actual value. There are a small number of players across the sporting world this applies to and most of them fall short of expectations in the same way Strider has thus far, although one of them is Tyrese Haliburton.
Miz is a prototypical athletic freak with huge (possibly overprojected) potential with one critical flaw (the control). Now, there’s also the uncertainty – does his arm break? Does he actually have a HR problem? etc. But that’s a more typical super pitcher prospect path
Oh, for sure. I don’t mean they’re similar either physically or approach-wise – they might actually be polar opposites, at least among flamethrowers – but rather their respective and (in my mind) similar paths to acedom (or budding acedom, in Misiorowki’s case).
Insane that Adley is still on this list! You’re definitely right about it being controversial. Not even sure he’s going to make it to the end of arbitration at this rate. One more bad season next year could send him to the great non-tender in the sky.
Ok, here we go:
I don’t think I’d trade Roman Anthony for Marte, but I might trade Jordan Westerburg for Wheeler. I’d trade Rutschman for Gilbert in a heartbeat. No team in baseball is trading Wiz for Seager and Lindor.
That said, I love these rankings so much.
100% of people, including Jordan Westburg’s parents, would trade Westburg for Zack Wheeler
Wiz? Is that supposed to be Misiorowski? If so, I think a lot of people would be willing to trade a guy with 29 innings in the majors and massive control concerns (5+ BB/9 pretty much throughout the minors) for arguably the best SS in the game today.
I think I’m pretty comfortably taking Roman Anthony over Misiorowski, and probably taking Langford over him too.
The career accolades of Seager and Lindor are undebatable, but their placement on this list is at their age and price point.
Last year notwithstanding, Lindor has spent most of his prime as a 115ish wRC+ bat with elite defense. He’s in absolutely no danger of moving off SS, nor do I think the offense will crater, but a reasonable expectation would be good defense with league average offense. That’s a very good piece, but I’d definitely rather have Zach Neto’s upside at 20% of the price tag.
Seager’s more attractive because he doesn’t have any of Lindor’s questions about offense, and the bat would profile down the defensive spectrum even at 1B, but you’d really have to ignore multiple injury red flags.
I know we hate the “if this player was a FA, would get he his current remaining contract point”, because the whole point of trading for a player is that he’s not available on the FA market, but I’d feel pretty confident that neither would have a 5 year deal on the table at $32-$35m per
Last year, Francisco Lindor was worth more than Zach Neto’s first three seasons combined.
Awesome. I’m not traded for 2024, I’m trading for 2026
Lindor is an easy future hall of famer, with 57 career war, a career 120wRC+. Sure he might be more 115 than 135, but again he’s only 31.
Also I was shocked to see his wrc was only 120. Wasn’t aware he was 0 for his last 30
I’m pretty sure Lindor would get a massive deal. I think Aaron Judge’s deal is a good starting point for negotiations (Judge is obviously better but he’s going to be in the teens on this list probably)
Seager probably would not get a deal above what he currently has. I am not sure what he would get but Seager’s availability has always been an issue.
This is some of my favorite writing of yours ever, Ben. I just really liked Ketel Marte as the central framework for this post.
I don’t agree with some of these (shocker!), but I really like this series and the writing. It’s well done
Ok, this is a much more interesting and contentious group than yesterday’s. I think I disagree with about all of them? Starting with the premise of the article:
-I’m lower on Ketel Marte than consensus. Solely due to the history of profile-similarish 2Bs completely falling off a cliff in their early 30s. Do I think Ketel is a fair bet to buck that trend? Sure, but if he doesnt there isnt much room to fall. The contract is propping him up here but when I make a bet on a star the contract isnt the only thing that goes into it
-I would also have Seagar and Lindor on the list. Maybe a few spots back? Or maybe right where they are. But this is probably the last year I expect to. I think theyre both contenders to be where Betts is now this time next year, for different reasons. Lindor is on the downside of his peak now, with a back issue, and by my eye his defense has dropped a tier this season to no longer being special. Seagar, if I’m trading for him, it’s to push him down the defensive spectrum immediately and as a guy who lacks the health skill making 30+M a year that’s a bit scary. But his bat is also quite scary for opponents and it’s a bet worth taking. Neither of their deals run long enough for it to be overly onerous, and they do have room to fall. I guess, compare them to Marte, what does your risk profile look like with average performance at 35 paying 30+ or possibly unplayable performance at 35 paying 20? All these deals end the same year, even if Ketel’s last one is a cheap player option
-Logan Gilbert career ERA Away: 3.77
Bryan Woo career ERA Away: 3.75
Joe Ryan career ERA Away: 3.79
FIPs, etc. are in line for all three. They all pound the strike zone and are HR prone due to it, just two of them are able to get away with it more.
Just put T-Mobile on the list instead
-Adley Rutschman making it is absurd. Even if he was the Adley Rutschman the league thought he was going to be and not the Matt Wieters clone he has become, Catcher is a tough position to integrate midseason, with lessened PT (no, I’m not taking his DH time as a positive) and he doesnt have enough team control left for the benefits to outweigh the negatives. As someone else pointed out above, Francisco Alvarez got sent to AAA for performing like him and at least recouped a year of team control during that exercise, which no one really cares about because Francisco Alvarez has not played well enough for anyone to care
-I like Yamamoto and believe in him so I agree with his ranking. But I would understand people who look at him and see a not particularly physically imposing presence, pitch metric numbers that I find questionable but maybe they dont not being in love with him and wondering about his long term mega-deal when he still hasnt been in the league long enough for the “unknown but already professionally established” Japanese pitcher deception thing to wear off and how that ages
How many 6’/210 2Bs with 25 HR power who came up at short do you remember falling off in their early 30s?
Name a 2nd baseman who was good after 35 years old.
Can we all agree Seager shouldn’t be this high?
No, I think he’s going to age very well and outperform the second half of his contract by a good bit. I’d rather have him than Rutschman, Gilbert, Contreras, Lindor, and Yamamoto w/ his buyout. Biggest question is health.
I find his placement to be the least questionable of the end of prime group of Seager/Lindor/Marte. He has a better health record than Marte and is a much better hitter than Lindor.
For different reasons, I can’t say for sure than Marte or Lindor are above average players in 2 years. Even with a guaranteed move down the defensive spectrum, there’s no reason to think Seager won’t be an impact bat for years
I think Seagar is going to hit as long as he can play so it’s just a matter of how much you think he will play
What the prospect arguments seem to reveal is that teams want their cost-controlled stars, but in order to get them, they have to take on risk that the prospects they’re waiting on to become those stars, won’t actually pan out.
Are a team’s homegrown might-be stars just as valuable as players who actually became stars, but are expensive?
To me this is a team-dependent questiom–whether said team is willing to go over the luxury-tax threshholds or not.
I guess I can’t see how Adley is where he is and Austin Riley is not listed. I guess Adley doesn’t have the downside risk but that risk isn’t horrible at $22m per year for Riley and only goes to mid-30s. I’m not sure who I’d like more between Riley and the 31-year-old short stops that are three years older and much more expensive, either.
I will say I thought Riley was crazy high at 12 last year and I remember Clemens also noted that the industry and the stat projection models loved him. He’s been down since, but with injuries and only a year of good-not-great, it’s a little odd to give up on a guy that was so highly thought of. I definitely think that you can’t say he was right both last year and this year. The events of the prior year don’t back up such a ordinal drop.
Riley should not have been in the teens multiple years running, and him going from there to clear off the list demonstrates why
With that said, if I were Baltimore I’d trade Adley for him straight up without thinking about it, no take backs and a requirement to file the paperwork to the league office within the hour before they can even think about it. **** I might even throw in Westburg to get it done
I realize trade value is more than surplus zWAR, but if ZiPS projections are even close for Corey Seager that contract is underwater and he has negative trade value. It’s possible you’re right that teams seem his as a 4-WAR guy despite missing 1/4 of the season and that’s hugely valuable. But I think you’re underrating the chance he falls off a cliff in his mid 30s.
He seems like a strong candidate to be off the list, not HM next year.
Lars Nootbaar and Spencer Steer should feel insulted to be compared to one-season-rookie-wonder Dylan Carlson.
His rookie season was only worth 2.4 WAR, and was within the margin of error to be the same value as his second season.
SOMEHOW, Carlson is still only 26 today, so he could prove me wrong. But he was lucky with batted ball stuff his rookie year, he should’ve never been hyped. There was a period here where any 21 or 22 year old that came up and held their own was expected to become a stud. And not just here, it was right after Soto and Acuna and Tatis came up and spoiled us, really the only “miss” their rookie year was Vlad who was still above average with the bat, just bad everywhere else, so it was kind of an industry-wide, analyst-wide, fan-wide over-inflation that everyone was caught up in. We’re fans, after all, it’s what we do.
But Carlson 🤦🏻♂️ wooof..
I didn’t think I’d see a thrilling storytelling experience in a trade value listicle, but somehow, the epic of Ketel Marte brought this to a new level. Well done.