JAWS and the 2024 Hall of Fame Ballot: Joe Mauer

The following article is part of Jay Jaffe’s ongoing look at the candidates on the BBWAA 2024 Hall of Fame ballot. For a detailed introduction to this year’s ballot, and other candidates in the series, use the tool above; an introduction to JAWS can be found here. For a tentative schedule and a chance to fill out a Hall of Fame ballot for our crowdsourcing project, see here. All WAR figures refer to the Baseball-Reference version unless otherwise indicated.
Joe Mauer was one of baseball’s greatest hometown-boy-makes-good stories. A former No. 1 overall pick out of Cretin-Derham Hall High School in St. Paul, Minnesota, in 2001, he spent the entirety of his 15-year career with the Twins. Despite a listed height of 6-foot-5, he excelled at catching and was also an elite left-handed hitter, with a quick, compact stroke and impeccable judgment of the strike zone. Between his outstanding two-way performances, his handsome good looks, and his wholesome public persona, he was an ideal face-of-the-franchise player. He played a central role in helping the Twins, who were targeted for contraction just five months after he was drafted, to four postseason appearances. Along the way he made six All-Star teams and won three Gold Gloves and three batting titles apiece, not to mention the 2009 AL MVP award.
Alas, the Twins were swept in each of their playoff series, and for all of Mauer’s accomplishments, his career was punctuated by injuries, starting with a meniscus tear in the second game of his rookie season. Post-concussion problems forced him to hang up the tools of ignorance and shift to first base; his power, which had only intermittently shown up even in the best of times, with one season of more than 13 homers, dissipated upon moving to the team’s beautiful new ballpark; and some segment of the fan base blamed his eight-year, $184 million contract extension for the team’s apparent financial limitations. Ultimately, he chose to retire at age 35 due to continued concussion-related complications.
All of that is proof that Mauer’s story wasn’t a fairy tale, but even so, it was a great career. So great, in fact, that Mauer ranks seventh in JAWS among catchers despite its limitations, and that’s without accounting for his above-average pitch framing, a factor that will become increasingly important to grapple with in upcoming Hall of Fame debates. Even without a bonus for his upstanding character (the original intent of the infamous clause in the voting rules), he’s eminently worthy of a spot in the Hall of Fame. Whether he’ll get there on the first try is another question, however, particularly amid a crowded field and an electorate that has not only become much less generous lately but also has rarely treated even the most obvious honorees among catchers with appropriate respect.
| Player | Career WAR | Peak WAR | JAWS |
|---|---|---|---|
| Joe Mauer | 55.2 | 39.0 | 47.1 |
| Avg. HOF C | 53.6 | 34.7 | 44.2 |
| H | HR | AVG/OBP/SLG | OPS+ |
| 2123 | 143 | .306/.388/.439 | 124 |
Joseph Patrick Mauer was born into a baseball-saturated family on April 19, 1983 in St. Paul. His grandfather, Donald C. “Jake” Mauer Sr. (born 1931) had a brief professional career in the White Sox organization; his three older brothers played professionally as well, with John Mauer (b. 1922) playing for independent teams before and after World War II and Ken Mauer (b. 1927) playing in the Dodgers’ chain (which had a St. Paul affiliate) from 1944 to ’48. Baseball Reference contains no records for either Hank Mauer (b. 1926) or Jake Sr., though an April 12, 1954 newspaper clipping in the Waterloo (Iowa) Courier notes of the latter’s release by the White Sox-affiliated Waterloo White Hawks of the Illinois-Indiana-Iowa League: “Released were… second baseman Jake Mauer. Mauer was not officially on the White Hawk roster but was under contract to the Colorado Springs club.”
Jake Sr.’s 2020 obituary says his baseball career was cut short by polio. A 2006 Sports Illustrated profile of Joe by Kelli Anderson makes reference to Jake Sr. and his three brothers and tells a different story, one that offered a cautionary tale:
Jake had his shot in the early 1950s. A lefthanded hitter with power who played shortstop and third base, he was supposed to be better than his three older brothers, all of whom played in the high minor leagues. But his time with the White Sox’ Class A affiliate in Colorado Springs was brief. His performance was hobbled by an overly enthusiastic social life, and his career ended with a knee injury after four months. “I thought I could play ball and drink and party and chase women, but it catches up to you,” says Jake. “I’ve harped on that with Joe: Don’t make the same mistakes I made. Focus on playing the game. Focus on being the best player you can be.”
When he became a widower at age 48, Jake Sr. moved in with Jake Mauer Jr., a trophy engraver who spent his weekends coaching his sons, and his wife Teresa. Grandpa Jake provided day care and “preached the virtues of hitting,” wrote Anderson:
“If you can hit,” he’d say, “they’ll always find a place for you.” He tried to get the older boys to emulate his style and hit lefthanded, but they wouldn’t bite. “Then one day Joe [then a toddler] picked up a plastic bat lefthanded and whacked a little beach ball,” says Grandpa Jake. “I said, ‘Ho-leee! We have a lefthander!’ His brothers tried to get him to hit righthanded, but I told them to leave him alone.”
Those brothers would both have professional careers within the Twins’ organization. Infielder Jake Mauer III (b. 1978) was drafted out of the University of St. Thomas in the 23rd round in 2001 and played down on the farm for five seasons before elbow problems forced his retirement. He then spent 2008–17 managing in their minor league system, overseeing future Twins such as Luis Arraez, José Berríos, and Byron Buxton. His last team, the Double-A Chattanooga Lookouts, featured Nick Gordon and LaMonte Wade Jr. and finished first in the Southern League’s North Division; they were declared co-champions after a hurricane forced the cancellation of the finals. Pitcher Bill Mauer (b. 1980), a non-drafted free agent, pitched in the Twins’ organization from 2003 to ’05.
When Joe was nine, Jake Jr. invented and later marketed a device to aid hitting called Mauer’s Quickswing, which uses a tilted PVC pipe, “a unique delayed gravity-drop design to help batters develop greater bat speed, hand-eye coordination, reflexes, and muscle memory.” Young Joe and his brothers spent hours in the family basement honing their craft with the Quickswing. At Cretin-Derham High, Joe was a three-sport star, earning two All-State honors as a guard in basketball, and USA Today‘s national player of the year honors in both football (as a quarterback, in 2000) and baseball (2001); he’s the only athlete ever to win both. He was also Baseball America’s High School Player of the Year, the first of numerous top rankings bestowed upon him by the publication.
Following in the footsteps of Cretin-Derham’s Chris Weinke, the 2000 Heisman Trophy winner (and previously a minor leaguer in the Blue Jays chain), Mauer signed a letter of intent to play football at Florida State. With Mark Prior thought to be more expensive to sign, the Twins chose the local boy with the first pick of the 2001 draft despite the football risk and signed him for a bonus of $5.15 million; Prior, chosen second by the Cubs, received a $10.5 million package, including a $4 million bonus and a five-year major league deal.
Mauer began his professional career with a flourish, hitting .400/.492/.491 in 130 plate appearances for the Twins’ Rookie-league Elizabethton affiliate; he didn’t homer but vaulted to no. 7 on BA’s Top 100 Prospects list the following spring. He spent 2002 at A-level Quad Cities and split ’03 between High-A Fort Myers and Double-A New Britain, hitting a combined .338/.398/.434. On the strength of his 80-grade arm and the belief that his game power would eventually manifest itself (“Twins scouts insist he has the power to one day hit 35–40 in a season if he wants to,” to quote BA), he entered 2004 as the game’s no. 1 prospect. He also had a clear path to the starting job thanks to the trade of starter A.J. Pierzynski to the Giants, a heist that fetched Joe Nathan, Francisco Liriano, and Boof Bonser. The 20-year-old Mauer made the Twins out of spring training and went 2-for-3 with a pair of walks against Cleveland on Opening Day; his first base on balls came against CC Sabathia, and his first hit was a single off Rafael Betancourt.
Alas, the next night Mauer tore the medial meniscus in his left knee while sliding in an attempt to catch a foul ball, though the Twins only became aware of the injury after he singled and stopped abruptly while being waved home. He underwent surgery and missed nearly two months, returning on June 2. Dr. Joel Boyd, who performed the surgery, “told the Twins’ doctors that it’s inevitable Mauer will have problems as he adjusts to the constant strain that catching puts on knees,” according to a report by ESPN’s Phil Rogers. Mauer went hitless in his first three games back before connecting for a tiebreaking three-run homer off the Tigers’ Esteban Yan. “I don’t know what it is about superstars, but they do those things,” manager Ron Gardenhire said… after Mauer’s sixth major league game. No pressure, kid.
Mauer was hitting .308/.369/.570 with six homers in 122 PA when he was sidelined again in mid-July due to continued soreness in his left knee and didn’t play again that season. The Twins, who finished first in the AL Central, hoped to activate him to serve as their designated hitter had they gotten past the Yankees in the Division Series, but they lost in four games.
Concerns about Mauer’s knee lingered into the spring, but aside from minor aches and pains, he remained healthy, playing in 131 games, catching in 116 of those, and hitting .294/.372/.411 (107 OPS+) with nine homers and 2.8 WAR. It was a solid campaign, but the Twins went 83–79, slipping to third in the AL Central. Though he’d been BA’s no. 1 prospect again, he wasn’t actually eligible for Rookie of the Year voting because he’d exceeded the maximum for days on a roster before September (45).
Mauer broke out in 2006, hitting .347/.429/.507 with 13 homers. He made his first All-Star team and joined Deacon White (.367 in 1875), Bubbles Hargrave (.353 in 1926), and Ernie Lombardi (.342 in 1938 and .330 in 1942) as the only catchers to win batting titles to that point; Buster Posey (.336 in 2012) is the only one to do so since. Mauer’s 144 OPS+ ranked seventh in the league, his 5.8 WAR fifth, and he placed sixth in the AL MVP voting. Aided by a Cy Young-winning campaign by Johan Santana and an MVP-winning one from Justin Morneau (who had just 4.3 WAR but 34 homers and 130 RBIs), the Twins won 96 games and the AL Central, but they were swept by the A’s in the Division Series, with Mauer going just 2-for-11 without an extra-base hit.
Mauer signed a four-year, $33 million extension in February 2007, buying out not only his arbitration years but also his first of free agent eligibility. A quad strain limited him to 109 games and a 118 OPS+ that season, though he still produced 3.9 WAR. He rebounded to hit .328/.413/.451 with nine home runs in 2008, winning his second batting title to join Lombardi as the only other catcher with multiple titles. Meanwhile, his 5.6 WAR ranked seventh in the league, his 134 OPS+ eighth. He made his second All-Star team, won his first Gold Glove, and finished fourth in the AL MVP voting; again, Morneau placed above him despite a lower WAR but better counting stats.
It tuns out, Mauer had been playing though pain caused by a blockage in one of his kidneys. He underwent surgery to correct the problem on December 22, 2008, which limited his offseason conditioning; he couldn’t run or lift weights. As camp opened, he dealt with inflammation of his right sacroilac joint, which kept him out of major league action until May 1, 2009. He homered off the Royals’ Sidney Ponson on his first swing of the season, though, then just kept hitting. Through June 16, he was batting a sizzling .429/.497/.756 with 13 homers in 42 games, matching the career high he’d set in 2006. At a point when he was still chasing .400, Sports Illustrated’s Tom Verducci checked in:
The secret to Mauer’s success is his serenity, his minimalist movement and emotion. He is the Ben Hogan of hitters, bringing the sweet spot to the hitting area with no extraneous movement. “I think the biggest thing about my swing is I don’t have a lot of stuff going on,” he says. “Guys have different triggers for timing, and my timing is very simple.”
…Mauer is so calm he seems to change the physics of the game. Because his swing is so compact, he can wait longer to commit to pitches, which has the effect of stretching the 60 feet, six inches between the pitching rubber and home plate. “He sees the ball longer than any hitter in baseball,” [bullpen coach Rick] Stelmaszek says.
Mauer couldn’t maintain the .400 average and barely missed surpassing Babe Phelps‘ .367 from 1936, the high-water mark for a modern AL/NL catcher, hitting .365/.444/.587. He won not only his third batting title but also the “Slash Stat” Triple Crown — the only catcher who’s ever done so. Additionally, he led the AL with a 171 OPS+ and placed second behind Ben Zobrist with 7.8 WAR. After hitting a modest 29 homers over the previous three seasons, he clubbed a career-high 28 in 138 games and 606 PA; though he missed the season’s first 22 games, he played in all but three of Minnesota’s last 141. The Twins won a Game 163 tiebreaker against the Tigers to claim the division title, but despite Mauer’s 5-for-12 showing, they were swept by the Yankees in the Division Series. In the AL MVP voting, Mauer received 27 out of 28 first-place votes.
The 2009 season was the Twins’ final one in the much-derided Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome. Anticipating the revenue boost that would come with the move to outdoor Target Field, and fearful of losing their hometown star after trading Santana to the Mets and watching Torii Hunter sign with the Angels, they inked Mauer, who was heading into the final season of his four-year deal, to an eight-year, $184 million extension. It was the fourth-largest contract to that point after Alex Rodriguez‘s 10-year deals of $252 million and $275 million and Derek Jeter’s 10-year, $189 million deal. The Twins, who opened the 2009 season with the majors’ seventh-lowest payroll at $65.3 million, according to Cot’s Contracts, jumped to 10th at $97.7 million in ’10, when Mauer was making $12.5 million; they would climb to ninth at $113.2 million the next year, when the catcher began receiving his annual $23 million salaries.
Where the Twins and their opponents ranked ninth in the majors with 189 homers at the Metrodome in 2009, they hit just 116, the majors’ fourth-lowest total at Target Field in ’10. Mauer’s total sank to nine as he battled right shoulder woes and persistent left knee pain, but he still hit .327/.402/.469, good for a 140 OPS+ and 5.9 WAR (both 10th in the league), not to mention his third straight season as the starting catcher on the AL All-Star team. The Twins improved to 94 wins and claimed their sixth AL Central title in nine years but were again swept by the Yankees, this time with Mauer going 3-for-12. A blown call in the 11th inning of a 3–3 tie in Game 2 by left field umpire Phil Cuzzi on a Mauer drive loomed large:
After the season, Mauer underwent surgery on his left knee to alleviate discomfort caused by the plica band, a fold of tissue that lines the knee and that sometimes gets irritated by overuse. Shortly after camp opened, Gardenhire revealed that the catcher had received an injection of joint lubricant into the knee. Mauer was “miffed the shots are public,” according to one of many reports that expressed his disgruntlement. He issued a clarification, saying, “It’s more of a preventative thing just to make sure I’m good to go for the season. It’s really not that big of a deal and I kind of wish it wasn’t out there, but here we are.”
Though he inaugurated his new contract while making the Opening Day lineup, Mauer played just nine games before landing on the disabled list with what the Twins termed “bilateral leg weakness” — a vague phrase describing a mysterious constellation of symptoms, and one that did the catcher no favors in a state with a hockey-toughness mentality. “Perhaps it’s time to ask Joe for some of those millions back,” wrote the Minneapolis Star Tribune’s Jim Souhan in an ugly hit piece, calling Mauer “the softest of stars” for missing over two months. Fans began to boo him. It didn’t help that Morneau was sidelined by a ruptured disc in his neck as well, that after missing half of the 2010 season due to a career-altering concussion.
Mauer played just 82 games, hitting a thin .287/.360/.368 with three homers before an upper respiratory infection turned into pneumonia and ended his wretched season — one in which the Twins lost 99 games — in mid-September. Fortunately, he came back strong, batting .319/.416/.446 (140 OPS+) with 10 homers in 2012, leading the AL in OBP for a second time (all other catchers in the AL, NL and bygone 19th-century leagues have done so just twice) and producing 4.4 WAR in a career-high 147 games. Just 74 of those were behind the plate, with 42 at DH and 30 at first base.
Mauer was in the midst of another outstanding season in 2013, hitting .324/.404/.476 (142 OPS+) with 5.5 WAR, when a foul ball off the bat of the Mets’ Ike Davis hit his mask on August 19. He suffered a concussion, was placed on the seven-day concussion disabled list, and didn’t play again that season. When he had tried to return, headaches, bouts of dizziness, sensitivity to light, and other post-concussion symptoms prevented him from doing so. After the season, Mauer consulted with physicians at the Mayo Clinic as well as team doctors. He and the Twins concluded it would be best for him to stop catching and move to first base — a position opened up by Morneau’s free agency — on a permanent basis.
“When I kept gathering information, to be honest with you, it wasn’t really even a decision,” he told reporters. “I kept searching to see if it was going to be OK, if it was going to be safe for me to go back there and catch, and I just wasn’t finding that… All it could take is one foul tip in pitcher’s batting practice, and I’m out for two or three months or even more.”
Heading into his age-31 season, Mauer still had five years remaining on his eight-year deal, and it was apparent given his modest power that he would have trouble providing the level of offense expected from a first baseman. He eventually became strong enough defensively to provide significant value, but from 2014 to ’16, he hit a combined .267/.353/.380 (103 OPS+), averaging just eight homers and 1.8 WAR.
Mauer did have one more exceptional season, however. In 2017, he hit .305/.384/.417 with seven homers and a 115 OPS+. Boosted by his 13 Defensive Runs Saved (third among all first basemen), he finished with 3.9 WAR. His performance helped the Twins to a Wild Card berth, but once again they ran into the Yankees; Mauer went 1-for-5 in the loss.
On April 12, 2018, Mauer singled off the White Sox’s Aaron Bummer. It was his second hit of the night and the 2,000th of his career, a milestone I noted here at FanGraphs because of its significance in Hall of Fame deliberations (a topic I’ll take up later in this cycle with the case of Chase Utley).
On May 11 against the Angels, he was shaken up diving for a foul ball. He played another six games before being removed in the fifth inning of a May 18 contest due to whiplash-like symptoms, at which point manager Paul Molitor revealed that Mauer had also been dealing with balance issues and sensitivity to light. “We ran through the protocol last night,” Molitor said, “and there was no definitive answer there as far as what exactly is ongoing, but given his history … it looks to me like it’s gonna be at least a few days.”
The Twins placed Mauer on the injured list with a cervical strain and concussion-like symptoms. “(On) the drive home, the symptoms started to really kind of pour on,” Mauer later said. “That’s why you didn’t see me for a couple days.” He cut short an on-field workout at Target Field on May 30 due to the return of symptoms; he had hoped to sit in the dugout to test his tolerance for the noise levels of a game. “Hitting, I felt pretty good, but taking groundballs and moving around is kind of when I started to feel some of that stuff, so we kind of backed off… I’m not there yet.”
Mauer missed 25 games and lost 53 points of on-base percentage between the point of his latest injury and the end of the season, finishing at .282/.351/.379 (100 OPS+) with 1.4 WAR. With two five-year-olds at home and wife Maddie pregnant with the couple’s third child, he reassessed his priorities but played his cards close to the vest. While he hadn’t officially made up his mind regarding retirement, the Twins hatched a plan for him to make a one-pitch cameo behind the plate in the ninth inning of the season’s final game, with his family in attendance. Here’s the highlight reel, including his final hit, a seventh-inning hustle double. After one intentionally-outside pitch from Matt Belisle to Yoán Moncada, Mauer visited the mound and received a hug from the pitcher and a lengthy ovation as the theme from The Natural played over the Target Field public address system. The catching cameo starts at 1:56; you might want to beware of the oncoming dust storm:
On the White Sox’s broadcast, play-by-play announcer Jason Benetti offered words that still give me goosebumps: “None of us gets to choose how we’re remembered on this planet. But in the game of baseball, every once in a while, a player so special to a town gets to choose how he walks off the field for a final time. If this is it for Joe Mauer, a fitting, touching and warm send-off on a chilly day in the Twin Cities.” After this piece was initially published, I was able to obtain the footage thanks to White Sox vice president of communications Scott Reifert, and courtesy of WGN/MLB:
Mauer waited until November 9 to announce his retirement, writing a letter to fans that cited his concussion issues:
“The decision came down to my health and my family. The risk of concussion is always there, and I was reminded of that this season after missing over 30 games as a result of diving for a foul ball… I am soon to be a father of three and I find myself thinking about my future health and its impact on my family more than I had years ago… If I were to continue playing this game I would want to do so without reservation and I no longer feel that is possible.”
Three years later, with concussions and young children at home, Posey made a similar exit.
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To put it bluntly: BBWAA voters have done a horseshit job of electing catchers for the Hall of Fame in timely fashion. To date, just two have been elected on the first ballot: Johnny Bench in 1989 (53 years after the first election!) and Ivan Rodriguez in 2017. Both were eminently worthy, ranking first and third in WAR and JAWS among backstops. Gary Carter, an 11-time All-Star and three-time Gold Glove winner who ranks second, needed six years to gain entry in 2003. Carlton Fisk, who battled injuries early in his career but recovered to set all kinds of longevity records, made 11 All-Star teams and ranks fourth in JAWS; he needed two years. Fifth-ranked Mike Piazza, a 12-time All-Star who stands as the best-hitting catcher in AL/NL history, needed four years, though PED allegations played a role in that delay. Sixth-ranked Yogi Berra, a three-time MVP and 10-time champion as a player, needed two years. Eighth-ranked Bill Dickey, an 11-time All-Star and eight-time champion, received votes in nine elections (not counting runoffs), though to be fair, that tally began before the five-year waiting period was established; he was elected in what would have been his third year of eligibility by modern rules. Ninth-ranked Mickey Cochrane, a two-time MVP whose career ended in 1937, the year after the first Hall election, wasn’t elected until a decade later. Tenth-ranked Gabby Hartnett, whose career ended in 1941, wasn’t elected until ’55, and 11th-ranked Ted Simmons went one-and-done in his only BBWAA appearance in 1994; he wasn’t elected until the 2020 Modern Baseball Era Committee ballot.
In all, just 16 non-Negro Leagues catchers are enshrined, counting Roy Campanella, whose 10 years with the Dodgers made him BBWAA-eligible long before his Negro League stats were considered part of his major league totals. That total of 16 is tied with third basemen for the fewest at any position besides relievers and DHs. When it comest to evaluating the position that may be the most important on the diamond and is certainly the most physically demanding, voters have dropped the ball again and again. Constraints on playing time and susceptibility to injury tend to suppress catchers’ offensive totals, which puts them at significant disadvantages when they’re compared to other position players. The comparatively recent introduction of pitch-framing metrics helps to close some of the gaps when it comes to value, but it also limits the scope of historical comparisons. It’s against that backdrop that I’ve been awaiting — anticipating and sometimes dreading — the reaction to Mauer’s candidacy since his final seasons as a first baseman. Particularly given his position switch, we haven’t had a BBWAA candidate quite like this in my 23 years of Hall coverage dating back to my pre-JAWS days.
We’ll start with the elephant in the room: Mauer caught only 921 games, a total that ranks 154th all-time. Of the 16 catchers in the JAWS pool, 12 caught 1,451 games or more, the exceptions being Campanella (1,364 including Negro Leagues games but not the uncounted number of non-league games he must have played early in his career) and 19th-century backstops Roger Bresnahan (974 out of a total of 1,446), Buck Ewing (636 out of a total of 1,345) and King Kelly (584 out of 1,456); the last two have more value as backstops than in their games at other positions, which his why they’re counted as catchers.
Even at the outset of his career, Mauer’s height — officially listed at 6-foot-5 but commonly referred to as 6-foot-4 — made him an anomaly, and it was widely presumed he’d be unable to spend his entire career behind the plate. That proved to be true, albeit not for the reasons expected. Via Stathead, since the start of the 20th century, just 12 players listed at 6-foot-5 or 6-foot-6, including Mauer, have caught even 10 games in an AL/NL season, with only eight reaching 100 in a season, and only three — Mauer, Sandy Alomar Jr., and Matt Wieters — doing so more than twice. Only that trio and Larry MacLean (1901–15) caught more than 501 games in their careers.
It’s not hard to understand why. With extra height generally comes extra weight, which translates to extra stress on joints already overtaxed by so much squatting and contorting. Usually if a tall amateur catcher is a talented enough hitter, he gets moved to a less physically demanding position before he reaches the majors; Jayson Werth is a prime example. Mauer might have had a longer career had he followed that path, but would it have been a better one? We can’t know.
Regardless of height, it’s because of the impact of catching — figuratively and literally, as we know the dangers of collisions and concussions — that I believe we should still be comparing Mauer to other players who spent the substantial portions of their careers behind the plates. There’s a reason none have reached the milestones such as 3,000 hits and 500 home runs that all but guarantee induction; Piazza’s 427 is tops in the latter category, and 31 of those came playing positions besides catcher.
Anyway, among the 68 players who played at least 50% of their non–pinch-hitting games behind the plate and accumulated at least 5,000 PA in the AL, NL and 19th-century leagues, Mauer ranks 11th with a 124 OPS+. Raise the bar to 6,000 PA, and he’s eighth of 36; raise it to 7,000, and he’s sixth of 20. Let that sink in: only 20 players who have spent a majority of their careers behind the plate in those leagues have even reached 7,000 PA, the cutoff I generally use when I’m reporting rate-stat rankings for position-playing candidates such as David Ortiz, Gary Sheffield, Larry Walker, et al. Ten of the 20 are in the Hall, including nine of the top 11 in OPS+, with Mauer and Jorge Posada (121 OPS+) the exceptions.
Letting go of the PA cutoffs but still maintaining the percentage one, Mauer ranks sixth in terms of batting runs (Rbat), the offensive component of bWAR; his 239 trails only Piazza (418), Cochrane (273), Bench (269), Gene Tenace (259 thanks to a .388 OBP in just 5,527 PA) and Dickey (244). For both that category and OPS+, Mauer might have regressed had he spent longer behind the plate or in the majors at all. Still, we’re talking about rankings on lists that are far fewer in number than the number of catchers in the Hall.
Throw in Mauer’s slightly above-average baserunning (worth eight runs), double play avoidance (-5 runs) and fielding via Defensive Runs Saved at both catcher and first base (19 runs), and his career total of 55.2 WAR ranks ninth, both among players with at least 50% of their non–pinch-hitting games played at catcher (which Stathead uses) and those who accumulated the plurality of their value as catchers (which JAWS uses). The other 10 in the top 11 of either category are all enshrined. Mauer’s total is 1.6 WAR above the position standard.
As for seven-year peak, Mauer’s 39.0 WAR ranks fifth behind only Carter (48.4), Bench (47.2), Piazza (43.1), and Rodriguez (39.8), 4.3 WAR above the standard. All seven of his peak seasons are from his catching days (his 3.9 WAR in 2007 is tied with that of his standout season at first, ’17), which is to say that he’s not gaining any traction from his late-career move. Indeed, it’s because of the positional adjustments and his decline as a hitter that his WARs at first base weren’t higher. In terms of JAWS, his 47.1 ranks seventh, between Berra (48.7) and Dickey (45.9), and it’s 2.9 points above the standard.
Above the career standard, above the peak standard, above the JAWS standard: That’s an easy Hall of Famer right there, or it should be one if you’re at all familiar with the system, particularly as we’re talking about a player with no known connections to PEDs. Do you know how many position players clear all three standards, have no PED links, and are outside the Hall but eligible as of this ballot? It’s a short list: Mauer, the first-time eligible Adrían Beltré, and long-lost Bobby Grich, who fell short of 2,000 hits and for some reason has yet to appear on a small-committee ballot. That’s it.
We haven’t even talked about pitch framing. For the past several years, I’ve used a system cobbled together from both our framing stats (which go back to 2008, the start of the Pitch f/x era) and those of Baseball Prospectus, where Max Marchi came up with the Retroframing methodology using called strikes above average going back to the dawn of the pitch count era (1988 onward). Mauer was about 38 runs above average for those early years (2004–07) and 28 above for the later ones. Using FanGraphs’ version of WAR, which incorporates our framing numbers, and a runs-to-wins conversion based on seasonal numbers (somewhere in the 9–10 run range) for the BP ones, Mauer adds 3.8 WAR to his total. When I do a JAWS-like calculation using those adjusted fWAR figures, his fJAWS is 2.6 higher than his JAWS:
| Player | Career | WAR | FG Fram | BP Fram | WAR Adj | fWAR | fPeak | fJAWS |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mike Piazza | 1992-2007 | 63.7 | n/a | 87.2 | 8.4 | 72.1 | 52.5 | 62.3 |
| Ivan Rodriguez | 1991-2011 | 69.2 | 2.9 | -14.1 | -1.5 | 67.7 | 40.0 | 53.9 |
| Buster Posey | 2009-2021 | 57.5 | 128.8 | 0 | 0.0 | 57.5 | 47.7 | 52.6 |
| Joe Mauer | 2004-2018 | 53.0 | 27.6 | 38.3 | 3.8 | 56.8 | 42.4 | 49.6 |
| Yadier Molina | 2004-2022 | 55.7 | 151.1 | 30.0 | 2.9 | 58.6 | 39.5 | 49.1 |
| Russell Martin | 2006-2019 | 55.0 | 165.7 | 33.7 | 3.3 | 58.2 | 39.8 | 49.0 |
| Brian McCann | 2005-2019 | 54.5 | 165.6 | -11.3 | -1.1 | 53.4 | 39.9 | 46.7 |
| Jorge Posada | 1995-2011 | 40.4 | -43.9 | -69.5 | -6.7 | 33.7 | 29.5 | 31.6 |
Piazza, an unheralded framer in his day but actually an exceptional one based on Retroframing, has an fJAWS 11 points higher than his JAWS; that of Rodriguez is 0.6 lower. I’m forgoing the upcoming discussions regarding Posey, Molina, McCann, and Martin for the sake of space, but those are four of the best for whom we have fdata, and we’ll be doing them a grave disservice if we don’t incorporate these figures into future Hall deliberations. And if you’re of the mind that framing is somehow cheating because it takes advantage of the limitations of umpiring, both with regards to what’s practical and what’s humanly possible, note that the league itself publishes its own framing numbers on Baseball Savant and has encouraged their proliferation elsewhere, as Lewie Pollis pointed out. This is an officially accepted part of the game.
Anyway, I’m of the mind that Mauer is worthy of a spot on every voter’s ballot, and he’ll certainly be on mine. I’ve been bracing for the possibility that he won’t get to 75% this time, both because of the BBWAA’s track record and because his case requires some digging and comparison. With Beltré and holdover Todd Helton (72.2% last year) the most obvious honorees amid a crowded picture that includes Sheffield (55% in his ninth year), Billy Wagner (68.1% in his eighth), and Utley, I projected that Mauer would be elected next year alongside Wagner in my most recent five-year electoral outlook. I remain optimistic about his chances long-term, but I dearly hope BBWAA voters can do a little to make up for past sins by beating that timetable.
Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.
Still a bit sore that he beat Jeter for MVP in ‘09…but Mauer’s a clear cut HoF, for all the reasons Jay outlines.
Mauer was 1.7 wins better that season. Any other year, I’d probably give it to Jeter, but Mauer was on an insane level in 2009.
Oh, I know – I’m sore at the timing, not the win!
It’s nowhere near Morneau in 2006.
Jeter was nowhere near Mauer in 2009.
Def could have worded it better, haha!
Not enough catchers in the Hall in the last 60 years or so. They can’t all be Johnny Bench or Gary Carter.
I think he’s very likely to get in, maybe in year 2 or 3, but the one thing I’d like is for him to get in before Posey and Molina show up on the ballot and suddenly there’s a crowd. I think Mauer can hang with either one (mostly because I don’t buy the enormous framing numbers those two get), but I worry anyway.
I, too, am skeptical of the cases that rely more on framing because I’m not sure the data is as precise as for other things that happen on the field.
But also, I’m generally not thrilled about the idea of hall of fame cases that depend significantly on being really good at tricking the umpire. It’s a thing and it influences winning, but it’s a dumb thing that shouldn’t happen and doesn’t feel like an athletic skill in the way that hitting, running, fielding a ground ball, throwing out a base stealer are baseball skills.
It feels like rewarding a basketball player for being really good at flopping.
Wouldn’t a better comparison be head fakes?
It’s a skill about how to play the game.
Flopping is acting and not part of the game. The baseball equivalent of flopping is moving a padded arm to get an HBP.
I think they’re more comparable than the hbp. They’re both about tricking the umpire/ref into making a bad call in order to advantage your team.
A head fake is just a normal move on a basketball court that’s designed to get you more space. I would say that’s more comparable to a catcher setting his target late or moving his target if he thinks the batter is peaking.
Trick or not, framing is still an athletic skill in needing to move the glove with the right precision and the right timing.
Ask Ryan Doumit
Head fakes trick other players, not the referee. It’s more akin to flopping.
The intention of framing is as often to get a strike called a strike as it is to get a ball called a strike. Is that still ‘tricking the umpire’?
Ok, let’s call some of it “acting in a way to secure proper calls” and some of it “tricking the ump.” It’s still not something I’m particularly thrilled about being in the hall of fame.
Surely not gonna go to cooperstown some day and say “see that guy, Junior? I have never seen a guy who could snatch a sinker on the edge of the zone without making it look contrived like he could.”
As a minor part of a candidacy, like yeah, he was also good at this thing that was annoyingly useful before we got robot umps, sure. But not as like putting in guys who are clearly not hall of famers but for extremely good framing numbers.
If framing somehow involved not catching the ball, then it’d be a better comp to flopping.
“let’s call some of it “acting in a way to secure proper calls” and some of it “tricking the ump.”
It’s interesting that the catcher doesn’t even know which is which, on a borderline pitch. Otherwise, not gonna argue with your stated preferences.
Whoever said we were using it as a major part of candidacy? Even as part of WAR or fJAWS, it only represents a minor part of the entire number.
I don’t think people will wax nostalgic about catcher’s abilities to frame a ball as a strike, but I think it’s completely appropriate to reward those who play their positions well. Even growing up in the 2000s before framing was a formally tracked skill, I was taught to “receive the ball well” and also to not block the umpire’s vision. It’s a fundamental part of the game that is older than many other aspects we take for granted, such as the slider or other breaking balls. Someday it won’t be, but the game is played with umpires now and players will be penalized or rewarded for how they interact with that part of the game.
Is it tricking the umpire? Umpires often miss many calls on the edges that a skilled framer increases the chances of getting the call. That’s been part of catching long before we ever heard of pitch framing. It’s just that over the past 10-15 years we’ve figured out how to quantify it.
I remember when some members of the earlier sabermetric and analytics community would be annoyed that Brad Ausmus would somehow get a job every year because his bat was so anemic. Many would mock those who said pitchers liked to throw to him. Then, just as he was retiring, pitch framing measurements were coming in vogue. They discovered that looking back and applying some of the metrics to recent catchers that Brad Ausmus was one of the best pitch framers in recent memory. It made sense. So, yeah, the pitchers who liked to throw to him understood why.
Mauer, Posey, Molina are all locks in the next few years, but there are a few other catchers who should be in as well.
Munson surpasses the peak standard and may well have reached the career/JAWS standard if he hadn’t died, and I don’t think he should be punished because his career was cut short. Plus he has an MVP and two titles.
Tenace is 13th in JAWS, won four titles including a WS MVP and was a key member of the As dynasty.
Posada is only 19th in JAWS but like Tenace won four titles and was a key member of the Yankees dynasty.
Freehan is 16th in JAWS, an 11x All-Star with three top-10 MVP finishes and a ring.
I’d put all of those guys in. If you’re one of the 20 greatest/most accomplished players at your position in 150+ years, you’re a Hall of Famer in my book.
The very tragic nature of his death aside, Munson’s case is an interesting one. He was going to be a 33-year-old catcher in 1980, whose power had evaporated over the previous two years. Realistically, there was probably not a ton more in the tank. If he finishes his career at ~45-47 WAR, with that last 5-7 as a compiler, is that worthy? It would be very borderline if nothing else.
I’ve come around on Munson. Yes, his power was almost gone, but, even in his last year he was playing at over a 3War pace(both types) due to a high BA & good defense. No reason he couldn’t have hung around 4-5 years as a good BA/no power/ good defense catcher.
No on Tenace- he only caught 892 games & was not a very good defensive catcher. He’s like 3/4 of Mauer, but, not as good.
Freehan- He deserves it, IMO. Best AL catcher for a decade, good hitter, good fielder. His raw #’s look light because he played in the 60’s. Put him in the 80’s/90’s & he’d probably already be in.
Posada- I can go either way. He was part time catcher for the 96,98 teams & was “only at 100 games caught in 99,09, too. Was not a good defensive catcher. Obviously, way above average with the bat. Part of long time winning teams. Tough to judge him.
Martin and McCann will be interesting upcoming cases, as well. In some ways, they compare well to Molina and/or Posey.
Mauer (and Posey) for that matter, compare extremely well to Carter. They just don’t have the same longevity, but no modern catcher (sans Molina) is ever going to approach the longevity of past era
Why not? Other than increased awareness of concussions, I don’t see a reason catchers couldn’t last just as long.
In looking at career games caught, 4 of the top 9 all time played in the last 15 years- Molina, Jason Kendall, A J Pierzynski, Brad Ausmus.
Of course, the current leader, Salvador Perez is 76th, but, if he continues his pace of 80-100 games caught a year, he’ll be in the 40’s within 2 years. Realmuto will climb the list fast, he’s 112th, but, barring injury he’ll be in the 50’s in 2 years & will only be 34.
Only 34 catchers ALL TIME have caught 1500 games & that 80’s/90’s group of Fisk, I-Rod, Boone, Carter is really an anomaly in baseball history.
Most of your group has been retired close to a decade or longer. Player usage has changed substantially since then
That still doesn’t explain Molina or why someone like Realmuto couldn’t do the same. Workhorse catchers aren’t completely extinct.
If Molina could do it, why not someone else? I can see it being very rare, but it doesn’t makes sense to say no one can match what another relatively modern player has done.
It’s the same reason I don’t consider Ripken’s iron man record to be completely unbreakable. Even Ripken admits that if he could do it (and as recently as the ’80s and ’90s), it’s possible for someone else to do it.
I think you’re exactly wrong on longevity and that it’s actually the opposite. I think catchers of yesteryear might have caught more games in a season, but the catchers of the past 25 years have caught for longer careers (with HUGE exceptions of Mauer & Posey.)
Mauer is a classic peak vs career argument (though 2,000 hits is pretty nice for a catcher). I lean more toward peak, so he’s an easy yes for me. It will probably take a year or two, because voters expect every HOFer to hit like a 1B, regardless of position, but I think he’ll make it pretty quickly.
Mauer did not hit LIKE a first baseman, but he hit AS a first baseman.
I thought there could be a metaphor there…
My personal memory of seeing Joe Mauer, reproduced from a diary entry I wrote more than 15 years ago after watching the Twins play in Seattle:
“Our seats are located in the second row behind the dugout, within touching distance of the players on the visiting Minnesota Twins. A friend of ours from Princeton has friends with season tickets to the Mariners, and they have graciously donated their seats to us for the evening.
In the bottom of the 5th inning, [Jamie] Burke leads off with a single for the Mariners. The next hitter, Miguel Cairo, squares to bunt, and pops the ball up foul. Neither [Francisco] Liriano nor catcher Joe Mauer make much of an effort to catch the ball, which lands harmlessly in foul territory.
Feeling either bored or emboldened, I yell at Mauer to “show some hustle!” Thanks to our proximity to the field, and the quiet disinterest of other attendees, my comment is clearly audible to the players. Cairo turns, laughing, and points me out to Mauer, who is likely not amused. Perhaps I have inspired Cairo, as he proceeds to drive in Burke with the tying run.”
Miguel Cairo!
Remember him being one of the only Yankees hitting ~.300 in ‘04, ahahah
Mauer is one of the most obvious candidates on this ballot. The Hall needs more catchers and even if that weren’t true Mauer’s career easily fits in with the catchers already enshrined.
It’ll be interesting to see what happens with the candidacies of Brian McCann and Russell Martin, both of whom are in HoF territory by fWAR with pitch framing but are way off by bWAR.
You are obviously correct. It was nice to get the article, but Mauer is such an easy yes vote that we did not need the article to know it!
I do remember the Twins being derided for this pick because they didn’t want to pay for Prior. I think it worked out OK for them.
In your storybook writeup, you forgot to mention that Joe ans his wife have twin daughters.
Well, it did say he had two five-years-old, which usually implies twins, but yes it is fitting that a great, career-long Twins player has fathered twins of his own.
Morneau was traded to the Pirates before reaching FA in 2013.
Didn’t expect to get teary-eyed watching his final game highlights again.
I still think Mauer should have won the gold glove at 1B in 2017, which would have put him in a small group of multi-position GG winners and further bolstered his resume as a pretty unique HOF player.
In the end, it does seem that voters will ultimately vote him in. I think 2nd ballot seems probably most likely right now.
Yea, ok. I was slow on this bandwagon because of all the time he missed. But, I have come around. I think the framing data swayed me a lot!
I’m a big “NO” on Mauer in the Hall.
He only played 900 games at catcher…which is only 60% of his games. No other catcher is in the HOF with so few games behind the plate. 40% of his games at 1B. All the other HOF catchers spent the vast majority of their time behind the plate.
For a fair comparison you need to compare the 60% of his games vs. other catchers and 40% of his games vs. other first basemen. Once you do that, it is clear he should not be in.
Posey: Yes
Molina: Yes (defense matters boys)
Martin: Yes (defense matters boys)
McCain: Yes (defense matters boys)
Mauer: No (too little time behind the plate)
All these guys spent 95%+ of their games behind the plate.
Where do you place Posada?
Why does he get penalized so badly for playing multiple positions? Is Stan Musial not a Hall of Famer just because he never played even 35% of his total games at any single position?
Even if you compare only the WAR and JAWS he compiled at catcher to other catchers and the WAR and JAWS he compiled at 1B to other 1B, those combined numbers weighted by games played at each position are still good enough to merit inclusion.
In any case, offensive numbers shouldn’t be compared to the player’s position when judging a Hall of Fame case in the first place, EXCEPT for giving a BOOST to catchers due to the natural durability issues. There is no reason to compare Mauer’s offensive value as a 1B solely to other 1B. (Yes, primary DHs need to hit better, but that’s technically a defensive issue).
FWIW, Mauer played 60% of his defensive innings at catcher, Posey played 85% of his defensive innings at catcher. Posey only played 1,408 more innings at catcher than Mauer did which is a little over 1 season.
Hi, I would disagree with your comparison of him with other catchers. He took 3943 of his total 7960 PA at catcher for a total of 49.5% so he didn’t even meet the minimum bar you were using to comp him (50% at catcher) plus you were comparing him to guys that spent 80-90% of their PA’s behind the plate. It is fundamentally unfair to compare him to catchers when he was only one for half his career. Compare him to other part time catchers like Joe Torre or Gene Tenace.
The difference with Mauer is that he was still a primary catcher for the majority of his career (10 out of 15 years). His PAs only dropped below 50% due to the occasional times he played 1B or DH while he was still a primary catcher. He also took the plurality of his PAs at C with only 29% at 1B and even fewer elsewhere.
If you remove the last few years as a 1B, his rate stats improve.
I think JAWS should give some bonus points for “Well played, Mauer.” And Kevin Butler should get to introduce Mauer for his HoF induction speech. 🙂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCAJw8vbJWc
I can’t understand why there is even the slightest discussion of Joe Mauer’s qualifications for induction in to the Hall of Fame. When a player is acknowledged to be the best in the game at his position and maintains that level for a few years he passes the HOF test I have followed the game very closely since the 1950’s and the catcher holds a special position. The teams that contended for year after year often had a great catcher around for many of those years. I don’t go back to Cochrane, Hartnett or Dickey but Berra and Campanella, Bench, Fisk and Carter are obvious. It is the next echelon who were also the keys to their teams success that deserve election. I am speaking of Freehan, Munson and Posada. The player who IMHO was, in many ways, irreplaceable to the Red Sox during their great run, Varitek, comes up a little short of the Hall of Fame but I don’t care what his bWAR was for it doesn’t even begin to properly evaluate his importance. How do you measure leadership? How do you value preparation? What is the value of a player who commands such respect that there are no clubhouse issues? Mere numbers can’t do justice to the role of the catcher and it is past time to get more of these players, players we knew were great while they playing, into the Hall.
By this argument, Maris should be in. Eric Davis should be in. Johan Santana and Lincecum should be in (I actually wouldn’t mind Santana).
I was about to say – “Johan Santana definitely belongs in the Hall” is a much more reasonable opinion than “Johan Santana definitely doesn’t belong in the Hall.”
Mauer was pretty firmly the best catcher in baseball over a 10 season span, then spent another few years as a solid starter at 1B.
That’s a Hall of Famer for me.
Johan Santana was 15 years before his time. 139 wins was disqualifying when he was pitching but in today’s game it would be of far less significance. The demise of the true ace, which to me means 30 or more starts and at least 200 innings, is one of the greatest negatives to come out of the recent pathetic attempt to keep these delicate, fragile pieces of fine china from breaking down. Future criteria for induction in to the Hall is going to look a lot different than it has in the past. Once Kershaw Verlander and Scherzer have retired finding the next group of pitchers to reach whatever those criteria are may be hard to find.
Eric Davis was not the best at his position for any length of time, although it did surprise me to look up just how good he was in the late ’80s. Anyway, Kirby Puckett was a better CF during Davis’s best years, aside from 1990 when Ken Griffey Jr. took over as the best CF in MLB.
You’re insane.
Eric Davis simply was bereft of one of the most critical of “skills” that a player needs to reach their potential–health.
Eric Davis showed us at his peak that he literally was as good as anyone. Eric Davis with health and longevity is the best player of his generation.
I have no idea what you think Eric showed us when he was mostly healthy at his peak but you are aware that he had a 162-game stretch of near 50HR 100SB, right?
Eric Davis is forever on the Mount Rushmore of “What Ifs” for baseball.
Eric Davis was definitely a “what if”. When he played velocity had not overtaken the game and it was still possible to control your predilection to strike out. Just as Johan Santana did not accumulate enough wins, Davis’s batting average, a very pedestrian even for his time, of .269 was disqualifying for an outfielder. When I think of Davis I am reminded of a very similar player, Cesar Cedeno, who was also predicted to be a superstar but even while accumulating 52.7 bWAR came up short of what was expected. How similar were they? In each players only year on the HOF ballot Davis received 0.6% and Cedeno 0.5%
Tbf, a huge part of that near 50 HR pace was 1987. He had 22 HRs in 376 PAs in 1986, which is still an incredible pace. But he upped his rate to 27 in 309 to start the next year. I think it’s pretty clear that he wasn’t a true talent 50 HR guy in a normal year, though maybe his game develops differently if he’s healthy.
Also, while SBs are extremely exciting and definitely valuable, we can agree that they’re only marginal part of his overall case when we talk career value, right?
I agree that Puckett’s probably a worse player. But I think Griffey was still clearly the better player once he hit his own peak, right?
A big part of this is that I don’t know how to handle their defenses (I wasn’t alive to evaluate with my eyes, if that’s even worth anything).
Griffey ran back to back 165 wRC+ seasons in the mid 90s and TZ likes his defense more. Unless Davis had another big jump in him, I think prime Griffey was just plain better.
Still, that gives Davis a 5+ year run of being arguably the best CF in baseball, and pretty likely the best CF before considering defense.
Put Joe Mauer in the Hall of Fame you pussies.
I don’t agree with the language, but I do agree with the sentiment.
If JM is in, Don Mattingly is in. Eerily similar stats.
At eerily dissimilar positions.
Mattingly never caught
He does get extra credit for those magnificent sideburns and his utter refusal to shave them.
He did play 3B for 3 games! That’s gotta count for something.
Mauer belongs in the Hall but is also not, in my eyes, the no-doubt candidate that his staunch suppprters make him out to be.
The peak was amazing. But there’s a ton of players with great 7-year peaks that aren’t in the Hall. I realize that in Mauer’s case, we place a lot of that at concussions. But how would his case be viewed if he moved off of catcher due to his knees instead?
Posey is a far stronger candidate for me for being the glue on three championship lineups.
So I like Mauer and I like his chances, even if I don’t think he’s a no doubt inner circle Hall candidate. I think he’ll get north of 50% this year and get in next year.
I agree. I think he is deserving, but he’s not a slam dunk for me (or for the voters, I imagine). The years at first base were really below average at best, and if you remove them, he has 46 career WAR with a 134 career wRC+. Hanging on for 5 mediocre years just to get the counting stats to be worthy “as a catcher,” doesn’t add much in my eyes.
I don’t have a problem with him getting in, and I might even vote for him, but he wouldn’t be the first name I check.
See, if David Wright had managed to stick it out long enough as a 1B to crack 60 WAR/2000 Hits/300 HR, I’d have him as a no-doubter.
Wright would’ve gotten nowhere near 60 WAR even if he had been able to extend his career at 1B. Wright’s peak was excellent but still not comparable to the dominance Mauer showed in his prime.
Wright finished with 51 career WAR, and his last full season came at 31.
A 120 wRC+ with average defense at 1B is worth 3 WAR.
If he’d been physically able to muddle along through 35 with a relatively normal decline, rather than his career essentially ending at 32, he’d be pretty comfortably in the Utley range.
I tend to be pretty forgiving of guys who have to move off of positions or are diminished due to injury if they were truly exemplary beforehand. Mauer for me falls into that category, or close enough to it.
I don’t think he is an inner-circle type, and second or third ballot sounds right to me. There has become cache in being a first ballot guy, and I don’t think Mauer was quite at that level.
1000% agreee with the idea that he’s both an obvious HoF player AND someone clearly worse than Beltre.
I’d just put both in…and I have zero issues with anyone who won’t.
Jay, thank you for finding a way to wrangle access to that clip for this article. Jason Benetti’s summary of that moment is perfectly phrased; he gave his words appropriate pause. The broadcast and he did an excellent job of letting just the video visual speak for itself for a while while Mauer gave hugs all around.
The clip reminded me on a pretty dreary and cold December day just why it is I love baseball so very very much.
For those of you that say Mauer was an average to below average DEFENSIVE catcher- he won 3 Gold Gloves and had a great throwing arm- gunning down 33% of all base stealers when the league average was only 27%. And, if you haven’t seen this play, this is a HOF worthy catcher…
(7) Mauer gets the runner at home in the ninth – YouTube
What gets me about this is Mauer feels like the kind of player who should and usually would get the benefit of the doubt with these things. He was a celebrity, had a sort of legendary quality, had a unique skillset and story, all the things that you would think function as a sort of tiebreaker if the numbers didn’t speak clearly enough. And to be clear, I’m not speaking as a fan of the Twins, in fact I spent most of Mauer’s career hating him because he was good and my team had to play him 19 times a season.
Fantastic article.
I haven’t read Fangraphs the last few years as much I had the years prior but it’s pieces like this that draw me in.
Mauer was a HoF to me when the concussion stuff and injuries forced him from behind the plate and I have never been exposed to a persuasive argument undermining that take in the decade since.
An easy Yes vote for the HOF. The voting members should be looking to expand the list of catchers in the HOF, not looking for excuses to not vote for one of the greatest catchers ever.
I wonder if the positional adjustment for catchers isn’t high enough. Even the best hitting catchers rarely are among the WAR leaders outside of the period that we are able to retrospectively measure framing, but before teams were accounting for it. I feel we probably should discount those 30+ run framing seasons since they were being buoyed by guys like Doumit really dragging down the average. The best shortstops would probably post extreme defensive numbers if 5 teams in the league insisted on playing lumbering 1Bs at short oblivious to their inability to field the position.