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MILWAUKEE — A year ago, the Dodgers came to Milwaukee as the lower seed in the NLCS and blew the doors off the Brewers. Milwaukee scored four runs, total, in a four-game sweep. Both teams’ rosters have evolved, and individual players have changed for better (Jacob Misiorowski) or worse (Shohei Ohtani), but what could possibly be so different this time around? As Dan Szymborski wrote in his series preview, teams that get beat in a playoff series are 17-28 all-time when afforded a rematch the following year. Teams that get swept are 0-5.
Well, at least one thing’s different: The Brewers aren’t going to get swept this time. They checked off the hardest item on their to-do list — beat Tarik Skubal — right away, with a 2-1 win at a sold-out American Family Field. Misiorowski made hard work of his 4 1/3-inning stint, but some terrific infield defense allowed him to escape with a single run on the board, and a solo homer by Brice Turang preceded an RBI single by Luis Lara an inning later. After another four innings, the Brewers had taken Round 1. Read the rest of this entry »
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Jon Becker
Hi everyone!
Sean Dolinar
Hey Jon!
Michael Baumann
Hello from the press box at AmFam
Michael Baumann
I just wanted to wish you both good luck, we're all counting on you
Jon Becker
How's the press box food up there, Baumann?
Michael Baumann
It's the voucher-and-fend-for-yourself system, unfortch
Michael Baumann
at the workout day yesterday they did have pizza in the media dining room, which saved me from a hypoglycemic emergency, as I hadn't eaten anything since I left for the airport at 7 a.m.
brewersbibliophile
Checking in from section 419. Go Brewers! Sad to miss out on EW chat
Michael Baumann
They had a real bald eagle flapping by the Dodgers dugout. It's funny to think about how we imbue this animal with such weighty symbolic meaning and you look at one and it's clearly just thinking "Fish?"
Sean Dolinar
How is Milwaukee? It’s one of the few cities I haven’t been to.
brewersbibliophile
Is that why Mike Trout won’t play in an LCS?
Michael Baumann
I love Milwaukee. I love just about every medium-sized Midwestern city and even within that context Milwaukee is one of my favorites
Sean Dolinar
Is Pittsburgh on that list
Michael Baumann
I like Pittsburgh, the thing is if you stay there for more than a day you start running into Steelers fans and it ruins the vibe for me
DavidRifkinedited
find that most football fans of a particular city are not actually urbanites
bosoxforlife
Pittsburgh is most definitely on my list. PNC Park from the Clemente Bridge is locked in my memory for eternity.
Sæder
This chat box tech is a major upgrade from the one i saw during the wild card games. Well done folks and thank you!
Rich Hill's Fastball
I know we get a marquee SP matchup every October, but this one feels extra fun
Jon Becker
What in the world is this camera angle, respectfully
bosoxforlife
major league play!!!!
Sean Dolinar
Is this angle a Fox thing, not a a MIL park thing?
Jon Becker
I think just a FOX thing
Jon Becker
Usually a good angle there
Sean Dolinar
Is this angle a Fox thing, not a a MIL park thing?
Jon Becker
Not a fan of this new score bug either
Sean Dolinar
I feel like the networks still think this is better for the average viewer.
Gregg
Perhaps this is more of question to ask the Baseball Savant people, but I think it's inevitable that we get "arm velocity" data from pitchers. It's fascinating to me what the relationship between pitch velocity is with arm velocity + torque. Do we (royal we) understand mechanically everything about how pitch velocity is generated?
bosoxforlife
Part of last night's chat included over-used baseball cliches. I would like to add "Tailor-made double play" to that list.
Michael Baumann
Just for you, I'm going to call that a "bespoke" double play in my gamer tonight
Sæder
And I would add to that: "[Pitcher] struggles in the first inning"… yes, the highest scoring inning on average across all games
Sean Dolinar
Jon has used bespoke non-stop in our dev meetings.
Matt Martell
The Polymarket commercial clearly used The Wolf of Wall Street in-office party scenes, with the marching band and all, as inspiration, and I think that's more on the zone that they think it is
Michael Baumann
this guy said "on the zone"
Matt Martell
I did, and I'm leaving it as is
Matt Martell
Also, hi
docgooden85
Lara in RF. Thats some serious OF defense for the Brewers tonight.
Jon Becker
Hi Matt 🙂
Jon Becker
Matt saw Digger today, everyone
Matt Martell
Guys, go see Digger. It's very good. Don't let the haters prevent you from having a great time
Sæder
I'm already iffy on Inarritu so i've been hesitant
Matt Martell
I am also iffy on Iñárrritu, but this is different. If I came in blind, without knowing who made it, my best guess would've been Wes Anderson.
Sæder
ah! the other guy im iffy on lol. But I am happy to hear that someone enjoyed it. It's done so poorly which is a shame
Sæder
Don't mean to be a hater. But I went from being an angsty teen loving Rushmore and Tenenbaums to absolutely hating French Dispatch. I can't watch anymore
Matt Martell
It's also a baseball movie
Michael Baumann
You will not see two plays that look the same on the scoresheet yet look so different in real life as the 4-3 groundouts in the top and bottom of the first inning
GammaDraconis
Tonight we find out how much the Brewers will regret not getting Skubal for themselves, but, man, what a pitching matchup!
bosoxforlife
He would have cost them too much. The Brewers understand where to put their money and their prospects.
GammaDraconis
There's the cost in prospects and there's the cost in World Series opportunities.
darksheep
Tomorrow would be more indicative because it would have cost Hendo.
docgooden85
Ohtani hitting weak grounders in the batting cage doesn't inspire confidence.
Lanenator
If Miz had existed towards the beginning of the foundation of baseball and was out there sitting 100+, what are the odds that he would have been accused of witchcraft?
Rich Hill's Fastball
We really need less ump cam mid-pitch
bosoxforlife
Miz isn't looking too sharp in the early going.
wenz
I wonder if we'll eventually learn that early challenges are good because they correct a bad zone for the rest of the game
bosoxforlife
I can barely make out the fake zone but a couple of those pitches looked good.
Anonymous Member #46
I wonder if LCS/World Series umps are more likely to have a tight zone in the playoffs than they do themselves in the regular season.
Sean Dolinar
I can't see the umps changing anything, with all the scrutiny in the ABS era. Which, it is still remarkable how good most of those umps are.
Anonymous Member #46edited
(comment didn't thread right)
Phil
Does the poll refer to who will win this game or who will win the series? I am fascinated that it is leaning MIL (I voted that way but felt I was going out on a limb).
bosoxforlife
Is this an unusually low percentage of whiffs on Misiorowski's stuff? It seems that way to me.
Rich Hill's Fastball
What an at-bat from Tucker here
Doug Lampert
I assumed series and went Dodgers, game, I'd probably have picked the Brewers till the Dodgers scored.
Doug Lampert
Need to remember that I can reply on these things rather than just post.
bosoxforlife
It is for the game.
brewersbibliophile
I assumed it was for the game.
Jon Becker
They are sorta getting there by talking about all the foul balls but the broadcast hasn't really said anything about Miz being down a lot of fastball carry today (not that I really expect them to)
Rich Hill's Fastball
What would cause vert to be worse while maintaining velocity? Mechanics, wrist torque, something else?
Jon Becker
Spin axis, which I believe is largely about hand position
Davy Andrews
Hello, baseball friends. My daughter is asleep, so I am watching the game and making mini waffles for dinner.
Sean Dolinar
Leggo my Eggo!
bosoxforlife
I thought the umpires were better earlier in the year but when they realized the hitters were being told not to challenge they are back to calling a lot of balls strikes.
docgooden85
The runners on 2B are doing a lot of signaling
Rich Hill's Fastball
Pages does this fairly often
Anonymous Member #46
Teoscar was too.
Jon Becker
Broadcast hasn't said a single thing about that either
Sæder
Tailor made double play
Matt Martell
brb going to the store to get mini waffles now
Jon Becker
That was a disjointed as hell double play
Jon Beckeredited
Could've gone wrong three different times
Davy Andrews
I mean, I have more than enough batter over here.
Jon Becker
— Dave Roberts making a lineup
brewersbibliophile
Pocket pancakes or bust
Davy Andrews
I forgot about that! How can he not win MoY?
Matt Martell
and by get mini waffles i mean edit Jay's ALCS preview for tomorrow
Michael Baumann
I'm trying not to get hyperbolic, but that janky-ass double play could end up being the turning point in the series
Sean Dolinar
You have it in writing. You can reference this in Game 5/6.
Jon Becker
Acuña Kalshi commercial oh BROTHER
brewersbibliophile
I think Jake Bauers uses his walk up music to put the defense to sleep
comradeyurika
Getting out of that with only one run is a massive swing
Michael Baumann
Enrique has lost several steps since his youth, but did he swing by CVS on his way to first?
Jon Becker
He had to get mini waffles
Davy Andrews
Update: Mini waffles are so good. I'm so happy I did this.
Jon Becker
Wait do you have a mini waffle maker?
Jon Becker
Or were these frozen
Michael Baumann
I'm really asking, I'm sitting directly behind the storage point for the folded-up press box window so anything that happens to the right of second base I'm hearing about secondhand
Anonymous Member #46
The possibly superior syrup ratio cannot be worth the fourfold increase in cook time.
bosoxforlife
Waffles are great with pure New England maple syrup straight from the Sugar House.
Matt Martell
We all need to acknowledge that @brewersbibliophile is at the game and participating in this chat. Our Members are the best
Davy Andrews
Legend.
brewersbibliophile
I feel like I should be told to put my phone away
Davy Andrews
We'll tell you what commercials you're missing so you get the full experience.
brewersbibliophile
Kalshi, followed by DraftKings, followed by whatever Sydney Sweeney is selling I assume
Sean Dolinar
I need to ship a mobile apupdate. Need to finish it first. But it makes this easier.
Sæder
WOW
Davy Andrews
These are from scratch. I would love it if they were regular waffles, but we don't have a regular waffle maker. We have this tiny one that makes heart-shaped mini waffles that my wife got for her friend's bachelorette party a few years ago. So I get one tiny waffle every 90 seconds or so, and I am constitutionally incapable of waiting and eating a bunch of waffles at once. I just eat them as soon as they come out.
Doug Lampert
Waiting to build up a bunch at once would defeat the point. Fresh waffles should be eaten fresh.
Michael Baumann
Making tiny heart-shaped mini waffles with batter made from scratch is the most Davy Andrews activity I've ever heard of
Davy Andrews
I…cannot argue with that.
Anonymous Member #46
not until the single comes out about this
Phil
This might be more of a mailbag question, but am I correct in assuming that, by Fangraphs playoff odds, the Dodgers in this series are the most favored lower-seeded team ever?
Michael Baumann
I don't know about that, but the number PECOTA spit out for this series is one I did not think it was possible for a projection system to produce in any series, let alone in favor of the road team in a series against a 103-win team
Sean Dolinar
That's definitely something we could compile. Might have to join a few things to get the dates rights for series start dates.
Davy Andrews
I will be happy to answer it if somebody else is doing all the work.
Davy Andrews
Fox LOVES to talk about pitcher extension and stride length. I wonder why that's the one metric they care so much about.
Rich Hill's Fastball
It's a metric that's easy to showcase on TV
Davy Andrews
No doubt, but I think you could make cool graphics for a bunch of Statcast measurements.
docgooden85
Freddie wasn't ready (for that 2 strike pitch)
Rich Hill's Fastball
Camera angle made that curve look like a changeup
Sæder
i'm just hearing Alec Guinness' voice in my head… "Lara"
Michael Baumann
See, Matt? This is the good stuff
Matt Martell
This is very good
Sæder
we need to tell him got get balalaikas for his entrance music
Benjamin
Why do they keep showing drone shots from behind the lights, it's utterly pointless
darksheep
Been a part of the Brewers broadcast all season
docgooden85
Incredible challenge for Contreras the Younger there
sloejoe
I just did an internet search on "Front Row Amy" and the back stop seats at American Ball Park. $245 per seat. 81 games. About $20,000 per season. This is my math contribution to Fangraphs this year.
bosoxforlife
Would it have been possible for Skubal to win a Cy Young if he had compiled a great resume between the two leagues?
Benny The Jet
CC came close in 08… I believe Rick Sutcliff did it, though they only count stats in one league or the other
Jay Jaffe
I think it would be nearly impossible because the AL and NL Cy Youngs are voted upon separately, and while he was excellent, he wasn't overwhelming in his stint in either league.
Jay Jaffe
Sutcliffe's numbers did have a pretty massive contrast between AL and NL, which helped his cause.
Jay Jaffe
And Dwight Gooden got screwed because Sutcliffe went 16-1 with about 2/3 the innings of Gooden
Benny The Jet
Thanks Jay! Think the bigger question is probably whether a pitcher could get enough volume these days in half a season, plus I'm not even sure if <100 innings of ~1.00 ERA pitching would be enough with the resistance to giving the Cy to relievers
brewersbibliophile
With starters getting less and less innings, I could see someone like Sabathia getting the Cy Young if they have a run like he had in ‘08
Jay Jaffe
Hey folks, just popping in here for a bit
Sean Dolinar
You're a pop-in guy?
docgooden85
Derek Jeter doesn't need Polymarket's money. Classy! /s
jonmberra
The Brewers keep living up to their postseason reputation
bosoxforlife
I forgot Sutcliffe's 1984. Thanks Benny and nice catch
Rich Hill's Fastball
What in the world?
Matt Martell
There's a slight flinch of Miz's front leg before he steps off
docgooden85
I don't understand what Miz did wrong.
brewersbibliophile
Was that called a balk?
Matt Martell
That's a great call
Matt Martell
Yes, called a balk
Benny The Jet
Made me think of an interesting question: what's the fewest games a pitcher could start and win the Cy Young if they somehow literally threw a perfect game every start? Like Brenden Fraser in The Scout, 27 up, 27 down, 27 Ks… would 3 be enough?
Rich Hill's Fastball
That's 27 perfect innin\gs, I feel like you'd need a couple more games?
Anonymous Member #46
However many Eric Gagne had when he won his Cy Young.
Matt Martell
Send it to the Mailbag!
Jay Jaffe
wow, that's a break for the Dodgers, Teoscar is not the guy I want stealing a base
Matt Martell
Miz's front leg moved first. He began to lift his front leg slightly, the equivalent of a false start in football.
Phil
Send him back out for the fifth, or no?
bosoxforlife
I doubt it. It isn't like he is lights out tonight.
Rich Hill's Fastball
Guessing they go with Patrick
brewersbibliophile
A wild Charlie Berens has appeared!
brewersbibliophile
Turang!
Rich Hill's Fastball
Swear word!
Phil
!
bosoxforlife
Szymborski touted Turang in the spring and he was spot on.
Jay Jaffe
I guess I'd have been surprised if you told me the Dodgers would get the first hit with runners in scoring position in this series while the Brewers chalked up the first homer
John Church
Can’t predict baseball, Suzyn
Sean Dolinar
Re: favored lower seed. This isn't exhaustive, but THIS isn't the most lopped sided. Because the Dodgers happen to face the Brewers in the NLCS quite often as the lower seed.
Now, these are saved from the previous night and we could have updated depth charts the day of.
Phil
Thanks, Sean! Very interesting.
Sean Dolinar
But these three match ups are by far the most extreme from my quick search.
Sean Dolinar
Also think it's amazing that the Brewers have played the Dodgers three times in the NLCS as the higher seed.
brewersbibliophile
They’re bound to win one of them, right?
Sæderedited
nice vaguely remembering that 2018 side. Yelich and Lorenzo Cain! and Hader!
Rich Hill's Fastball
I remember that team for Jhoulys Chacin haha
Sean Dolinar
@brewersbibliophile: past performance is not indicative of future results
Benny The Jet
I remember getting a jump scare when some kids named Corbin Burnes, Brandon Woodruff, and Freddy Peralta were starting play-off games… I was expecting Jhoulys Chacin, Wade Miley, and Chase Anderson lol
pgburantedited
All Brewers fans will remember that Brandon Woodruff hit a home runoff Kershaw in that 2018 series
Sæder
is it odd to say that the 2018 LAD squad was more "home-grown" or "diamonds in the rough," led by Grandal and Muncy; than the 2018 MIL team that had acquired Yelich and Cain?
Davy Andrews
Has anybody watched that show Doc? The one where the doctor has amnesia but is somehow allowed to keep practicing medicine? Seems like a flawed conceit, right?
Dan Szymborski
DL Hall sounds like someone who writes obnoxious Slate articles
Davy Andrewsedited
Did you read the one where the guy reached out to all the commenters who were mean to him and asked why?
Phil
I did read that one. There was a couple that met in the comments.
Jay Jaffe
I keep thinking DL Hall is the famous poet who wrote the book Dock Ellis In the Country of Baseball, but that was Donald Hall. I think it's because my favorite high school teacher was DL and his real name was Donald.
Davy Andrews
Wait, they fell in love through hating on that one writer?
Phil
I am not sure it was his stories specifically. But hating on Slate, yes.
Davy Andrews
Let me just say this right now: If anybody falls in love during this chat and ends up getting married, I will bake your wedding cake.
Sæder
full sized? or mini heart shaped?
Davy Andrews
Full-sized cake, decorated on the outside with mini-heart waffles.
Dan Szymborski
I'm against shows that just say what they are. Doc. FBI.
Davy Andrews
The Office?
Rich Hill's Fastball
Chris Taylor-made double play!
Dan Szymborski
Bailin' out the Miz
Phil
A Fred Astaire classic.
Dan Szymborski
Like I've never watched the show, but Harlan Coben's Final Twist is a good name for a tv show
bosoxforlife
Cliche alert! That was The Pitcher's Best Friend".
Dan Szymborski
I also don't like the name Sheriff Country because fire country is a thing, but like everywhere has sheriffs. It makes as much sense as Police Country or Government Country
Rich Hill's Fastballedited
Where does "Severance" rate on the Szym TV show name scale?
Dan Szymborski
The show's fine but I want better names!
Dan Szymborski
I don't want a burger from Burger. I don't want a car called The Vehicle.
Sæder
except for legit ethnic diaspora restaurants. I was once sent by a Beijing-origin pal to a peking duck restaurant called Tasty Duck. It was fantastic.
fuzwoz
So Miz looks like Lars Ulrich's grandson, right?
Dan Szymborski
I need to check the archives, but is Skubal's butt getting a little bigger every year while the rest of him stays the same size?
Anonymous Member #46
what a bum
Jay Jaffe
Do we archive butt size now?
Rich Hill's Fastballedited
Statcast has a metric called xwoButt
Dan Szymborski
LARACIOUS
Davy Andrews
SpectacuLARA.
Sæder
yowza
Dan Szymborski
I mean like videos
Dan Szymborski
Though I bet statcast has ass size somewhere
Dan Szymborski
dang that's way better
Davy Andrews
I'm sure Baumann will top us both.
comradeyurika
I thought that was a terrible spot to bunt, so of course it immediately works out.
bosoxforlife
Of course! Everyone here at Fangraphs knows the sacrifice is a terrible play.
comradeyurika
Sacrificing with your number 7 hitter generally feels odd though
Dan Szymborski
They key question for a bunt is already what is the probability that the hitter gets a bunt hit. The calculus for a bunt changes wildly in that case
Dan Szymborski
something like a 10% beating out rate on a sac bunt makes it pretty plausible in most base/out situations
Dan Szymborski
Ron Johnson ran the numbers way back, but I dont' have them at the moment
Dan Szymborski
Nor do I want to do that when there's a game on!
Doug Lampert
An error is as good as a bunt hit, and also comes up pretty often with a fast runner.
GammaDraconis
This game already has had more offense than I expected.
Dan Szymborski
Muncy had murder in his eyes after that
Benny The Jet
No run support and bad D behind him… Skub could've just stayed in Detroit for that
comradeyurika
All part of the process to lead to him returning to Detroit in the offseason. Trust the process
Matt Martell
Smoltz said that has to be a hit… That does NOT have to be an hit. Should've been an error
Dan Szymborski
Things that are not errors in 2026: errors
Dan Szymborski
As long as you make incompetence look like it was a hard play, you'll get the hit
comradeyurika
Muncy overran the ball. Definite error
Davy Andrews
Ooh, Contreras wanted to challenge there.
Davy Andrews
I love a good challenge-that-turns-into-a-helmet-adjustment.
Michael Baumann
My conspiracy theory is that MLB has instructed official scorers to give out hits more liberally to exaggerate the effect of the shift on BABIP
Dan Szymborski
It's not like Muncy made some spectacular dive and it caromed off his glove, he was there, ran past it, and shoudl have had it
Dan Szymborski
I don't believe MLB is competent enough to successful execute a conspiracy successfully
Worm Burner
It's not like they are the NBA
Michael Baumann
Huh, weird, there's a guy in a dark suit and sunglasses with an MLB league credential coming up behind me, let's see what he wants
Davy Andrews
Don't look at the flashy thing!
David (formerly Sonoma State)
It’s @brewersbibliophile
Dan Szymborski
I mean, the actually did collusion by having Peter Ueberroth gather them in a room and yell at them. And then GMs would actually tell agents "those deals you got last time are not available anymore"
Dan Szymborski
..and that was the last time anyone heard from or saw Michael Baumann.
Sæder
omg. stop looking at skubal's butt!
Doug Gray
Ever since I saw Rookie of the Year and heard "Pitcher's got a big butt!" it's an impossible thing that you are asking of me
Dan Szymborski
I mean, pitcher butts are the center of the screen
Sæder
that ad oh my
Matt Martell
Putting Cal Raleigh in an ad about screening for colon cancer is very smart
Dan Szymborski
I did my Cologuard recently!
Benny The Jet
Oh my god please tell me someone else just saw the Albert Pujols/Cal Raleigh Cologuard butt commercial
Dan Szymborski
It was harder than I thought because I kept thinking about that Cologuard Saturday Night Live commercial.
Phil
I did it and was glad to realize that you remove the receptacle from the box.
Dan Szymborski
The whole box was in the bathroom and I just kept imagining it telling me to "Unleash"
Dan Szymborski
Did he say free-peat?
Matt Martell
Related to both that commercial and DIGGER — John Goodman says "a** cancer" multiple times
Davy Andrews
Capsule review of Digger, please.
Anonymous Member #46
I think that means "more askance"
Matt Martell
I used asterisks so Sean wouldn't have to approve a comment with a** cancer in it
Oh dang, since we're just regular chatterers, we can't self-ignore censorship things
Dan Szymborski
I sometimes drop an F bomb in my chats
Doug Gray
I don't know why my initial thought was that f bombs were farts but it was and it's time for me to take a vacation and just shut off what's left running around in the cobweb-filled skull on my shoulders.
Dan Szymborski
Andy Pages needs to thicken his mustache, the mustache beard thickness ratio is too low
Dan Szymborski
Truck commercials are real turnoffs to me. They're all like TRUCKS ARE FOR SERIOUS ADULT WORK THINGS, and I don't want to do any of that
Doug Gray
They don't make commercials for trucks that people use for actual serious adult work things.
GET A TRUCK DAN
brewersbibliophile
Go Bratwurst!
Dan Szymborski
So…uh…is Mike dead?
Phil
Does Appelman carry worker's comp insurance?
Dan Szymborski
See, Vesia has a proper ratio. A mustache should be thick enough that it looks like it could hold up the beard if it had to be used as a handle
David (formerly Sonoma State)
How does his butt to body ratio look?
Rollie's Mustache
I'll be the judge of that!
Dan Szymborski
If a food place wants to sponsor a thing in a broadcast, it should also have the possibility of earning free food from viewers
brewersbibliophile
I wish I had the confidence of a home crowd thinking they know what a balk is when it’s not called on the other team
Anonymous Member #46
You have about 1/40000th of that confidence, so that's *something*.
Dan Szymborski
If someone held me a gunpoint and demanded I explain a balk, they'd find my corpse
Dan Szymborski
Every time you think you know all the balk reasons there's some other thing
Dan Szymborski
OH THE PITCHER RUBBED HIS BELLY WITHOUT ITCHING HIS ASS THATS ACTUALLY A BALK
brewersbibliophile
I’m glad there’s no balks in trucking or I’d be leading the world in them!
John Church
This will be the next frontier of video review, after they do it to check swings. Did the knee cross the midpoint of the body? Did the foot move more than 45 degrees towards home? Instant balk.
Doug Gray
I hope they bring the check swing review to MLB with the same way they are testing it in the minors/AFL. It is going to completely break the brains of so many people how far you are allowed to "go" with the way it's written. I want to see the chaos.
Dan Szymborski
Hey, we can say ass
Dan Szymborski
HAS the world embraced Bills mafia?
bbCardz
So far not disappointed
Dan Szymborski
They didn't ask Christopher Walken insane, they just filmed him normally
Dan Szymborski
I was really upset back in the day when I found that Andy Ashby and Alan Ashby weren't related after thinking they were for like 15 years
Dan Szymborski
They need a brain chip that checks intention and then they can time it against where the pitch was
brewersbibliophile
I don’t think I’ve seen a single checked swing get called a swing in these playoffs.
wenz
PCA had one in the wild card round that made him quite upset
brewersbibliophile
Ah yes of course
Benny The Jet
Can you request ABS after a check swing apeal?
Sæder
or ABS on a throw down to 2nd? i sometimes wonder if strikes are more often called balls on a throw down
Doug Gray
Nope. You need to meet the "time" requirement after the pitch.
Anonymous Member #46
You can ABS on steals, and those calls are more erratic than average.
Benny The Jet
So would you have to appeal the check swing after the ABS challenge effectively? Simultaneously?
Doug Gray
You need to challenge the pitch within the allotted time. It's out there, but I've seen the hitter and catcher both challenge the same pitch because they both understood the situation at hand and knew they needed to get it in before the decision was made and did or didn't go their way.
Sæder
tap head with one arm, point to the other ump with your other arm
Seuss2004edited
I just turned the game on TV after following on gamecast while doing other things, and saw the Polymarket win probability plot at the start of the inning. So I just came here to ask, like, what the f— are we doing here man?
bbCardz
Not sure what you’re asking.
Doug Gray
What are doing here? Trying to ruin the lives of people for profit!
Anonymous Member #46
We're the sucker fans paying for those graphs.
wenz
I believe he's asking why MLB/Fox thinks it's ok to push gambling on us and also why a gambling site's betting activity would be used rather than traditional win probability
Benny The Jet
I'm anti-gambling in general, but after seeing some of the "probabilities" they've been advertising I'm almost tempted lol
bbCardz
Boy he sure likes to pitch low!
Dan Szymborski
Yes, it's best to hit it over the wall NO MATTER WHO the centerfielder is
Seuss2004
Works against everyone except the legendary Pete Grows-Armslong.
Dan Szymborski
I miss the zoom-zoom commercials. I don't have a Mazda just for not dying, which is kinda boring
Doug Lampert
Not dying is a good point in favor of a product. On the other side, are you going to trust ChatGPT to tell you how to sail a boat while at sea?
Doug Gray
I wouldn't trust ChatGPT to spell Szymborski correctly.
Benny The Jet
Every time I see that commercial I just think that those poor old ladies would be found drifting away three days later
Dan Szymborski
I just have trouble caring either way
Dan Szymborski
One of nice things about getting older is you can care about a lot fewer things
bbCardz
Very true
Dan Szymborski
I can't wait until I'm the age when I can not care that someone tweeted something stupid at me and not feel required to get into a stupid fight
bbCardz
Same
war2d2
My kid is playing Maddon on the big TV. He’s winning 70-0. He is mechanically disassembling whoever it is he’s playing, taking no joy in the violence wrought upon his foe. At the same time, there is no sense of shame, no sense of remorse. Does gravity apologize to the steelworker who decided this was the day he wouldn’t use a safety harness? He just scored again. And a conversion. It’s 78-0. I’m watching the NLCS on my phone. I’m not sure he’s even having fun. A pick-6. It’s now 86-0.
war2d2
I suggest we turn on the game. He scores again, 93-0. A moment, two moments later he says “no.” He scores again. it’s 101-0. I wonder if he knows how much I love him.
brewersbibliophile
Funny enough, I think I lost my last game of Madden 86-0
Anonymous Member #46
he's just showing you where replacement level is
war2d2
He says he's going to try a "weird" play. They all look weird to me. His player breaks away and high-steps the last 20 yards. My son holds his controller up and high-steps in place in front of the TV that isn't playing the NLCS.
war2d2
He was so small not so long ago, and now he's a dozen years old and bigger than his mom. I want to watch the NLCS. I'm just watching him. I try to remember what he looks like now, commit it to memory, so when he changes in the morning and wakes up a different person I'll remember the boy that he was, high-stepping in front of the TV that isn't playing the NLCS. He scores again.
Dan Szymborski
Hey Doug, the Grokipedia biography of me is peak.
Doug Gray
atGrok is this true
Dan Szymborski
"Daniel John Szymborski (born June 19, 1978) is an American baseball analyst and sabermetrician renowned for developing the ZiPS (Zebulon Igor Projection System) projection system, "
Seuss2004
To quote Maxwell Smart. "Missed it by THAT much."
Dan Szymborski
"Szymborski graduated from high school in 1996 and demonstrated early independence by self-financing much of his college education through physically demanding construction work, including digging ditches"
Matt Martell
Digger Dan Szymborski????
Dan Szymborski
Also did not do that, I don't even like the outside if there's no beer or baseball
Dan Szymborski
now, it would be awesome if my name was Zebulon Igor
Doug Gray
I have some good news about something you can do about this
wenz
Perhaps they mean that you physically demanded that someone do construction work
Dan Szymborski
I'm still disappointed my dad didn't want my name to be Alexander because i could have been Zander Zymborski
bbCardz
What do we think of Cooper Pratt?
Philedited
His name sounds like a white shoe law firm.
war2d2
He looks like a Cooper pratt.
Dan Szymborski
It took me 30 years to get people to mostly spell my name right, I'm not starting from square one
Phillip Denny
88 mph sliders I can abide because it's almost a cutter and I can wrap my head around that. 88 mph sweepers, however, is where I draw the line. Science has gone too far.
Benny The Jet
MLB could run low on championship-less teams soon… Of the 5 teams to never win a World Series, two have a chance still this year, one was in the NLDS, one was in the ALCS last year, and one plays in Colorado
Phillip Denny
What's next, 100 mph splitters? Wait…
wenz
The nub on the top of the Brewers hat is the same color as the rest of the hat, but the nub on the Dodgers hat is a different color. I think I like the different nub color better
Dan Szymborski
I think Dodgers pitchers generally have bigger butts than Brewers pitchers. Given the cities, shoudln't it be the opposite?
Phillip Denny
Junk in the trunk is the new market inefficiency.
Sæder
the kardashians do live in LA
brewersbibliophile
LA has the injections to make their butts bigger. Milwaukee has to rely on bratwursts.
Lanenator
Ryan Braun had -28.5 FLD as a rookie 3B. Do we think that if he came out or retirement right now that he could beat that playing a full season at 1B?
Dan Szymborski
I wonder if ChatGPT is going to make up the answer to "Give me a chart of ass size by city"
bbCardz
That was NOT a strike. Bring on the AI umps.
Dan Szymborski
Are there enough kardashians by now to skew it?
Sæder
we are all kardashians
Dan Szymborski
I don't endorse AEDs
Dan Szymborski
People with big butts shoudl have to be tested to make sure they have high cholesterol
wenzedited
The Pujols Cologuard commercial seems to have infected Dan's brain
Dan Szymborski
My brain was destroyed decades ago
Sonny Ledited
Ever since I read that Luzardo’s glasses aren’t prescription I can’t trust any of these pitchers.
Phil
I don't trust any pitcher. They don't tell you what pitch they'll throw (except Greinke).
Dan Szymborski
Andy and Alan! Aaron is Andy's nephew but not Alan relaetd
Dan Szymborski
Now the other Andy/Alan pair, the Beneses, are releated
Phillip Denny
I know it's his jam, but trying to push Ashby for 1+ here seems like an unnecessary risk.
Matt Martell
Any relation to Hal?
Sæder
exactly my question!
bbCardz
Maybe institute a rule that you can’t have the same last name unless you’re related.
Dan Szymborski
sorry endaround, I can't approve your link!
Dan Szymborski
I didn't set up the chat
Dan Szymborski
when he makes it an error it's a Cooper Pratfall
endaround
Not an issue-just link to Athletic piece about Aaron's uncle Andy
bbCardz
I HATE walks. Such a waste.
Sonny L
Every bit of that was stressful
Dan Szymborski
how did that lady in teh state farm commercial only have the hail damage on ONE wall?
wenz
Their fraud unit is sleeping on the job
war2d2
“Funny, these dents are all precisely 1/2 inch, almost like you went crazy with a ball-peen hammer.”
Dan Szymborski
the other wall facing the same direction had no hail damage
Dan Szymborski
I never want to see that Trolli commercial again
Doug Gray
Let's give it a lil kick….. off of the airwaves
Sæder
i have this year been subjected to a lot of mahjong gossiping
Dan Szymborski
Are we all getting the same commercials?
Sæder
i saw that hail damage / mahjong commercial. and the trucks and the mazda. i'm streaming on foxone
war2d2
I’m on YoutubeTV, and all my commercials have been matching yours.
Benny The Jet
I knew Ohtani was hurt but I didn't realize he was THIS hurt… really does kind of change the way you look at LA's lineup if he's basically just Rowdy Telez with speed right now
Sonny L
Fast Rowdy Tellez sounds awesome and that’s Ohtani’s like 20% outcome. Amazing
Phillip Denny
There is a genuine argument for starting JDP over him. It won't happen, but it's an argument.
Benny The Jet
Ohtani being pinch-hit for in a big spot against a lefty feels… not impossible at least, which is crazy
bbCardz
The number of bad throws to first in the postseason has been epic.
Dan Szymborski
I always like when food companies have commercials saying "you know that thing you've been eating for years? Well, we know it was %#@#, so we made it better now."
Dan Szymborski
yeah, I stream it from foxone too
bbCardz
Chuuuurio
Phillip Denny
Lord give me strength I am arguing with someone that the Dodgers bullpen having the 9th ranked bullpen ERA =/= the Dodgers have the 9th ranked bullpen in the league.
Sonny L
Tanner Scott did not skip PFPs this week. That was smooth
bosoxforlife
I knew the Brewers were playing a different type of baseball, but 1950's style?
John Church
Guy who homered earlier in the game sacrifices… it isn’t the worst decision of the playoffs, but it’s something
AdvantageSchneider
Do you think he’s going to homer twice against a lefty?
wenz
Jon Smoltz is so so so happy with how the Brewers play. For a moment I think he briefly forgot that he hates modern baseball
Phillip Denny
I know you mean the sport but I am choosing to interpret this comment about the emo band to give it more layers.
war2d2
Man with the KZone turned off this weird camera angle makes all the borderline pitches that are outside to lefties look like strikes.
bbCardz
Bauers…
GammaDraconis
Dodgers playing the numbers, or playing with fire?
Seuss2004
WHAT.
Sonny L
“Maybe Mitchel surprises us”
bbCardz
It’s the smart decision statistically
Matt Martell
This is a bonkers decision
Sæder
Mookie my gosh. It's amazing that he looks like a real SS
Matt Martell
Even if it works out, it's still wild
Doug Gray
OK, let's commercial track. 1st one if the F1 commercial for HP self driving network.
war2d2
Yup. Second is the Geico couch commercial.
John Church
Can’t wait to see how many times two intentional walks in the same inning pays off.
bbCardz
Not impressed with Mitchell.
Doug Gray
2nd commercial for me is a Geico commercial
Sonny L
I mean, he scorched that ball up the middle
Sæder
did he eat van gogh's ear as a chip?
Doug Gray
SURE DID
Doug Gray
3rd commercial is a Wendy's commercial
bbCardz
HP then Geico
Benny The Jet
Dave Roberts decided there wasn't going to be enough heat on him tomorrow for a play-off game, just had to do something about it
Phillip Dennyedited
Quick, someone do the RE math of 2 out 123 with the platoon advantage versus 2 out 12- without it.
Anonymous Member #46
In that vein, I'm more interested in what the odds are of a scoreless inning are in both scenarios.
Phillip Denny
Whoever is doing to post game article, this would be a nice thing to see if it's readily available.
Doug Gray
4th commercial is the kid gamers teaching their parents how to play DOTA (I think that's what this is) – AT&T commercial
Benny The Jetedited
Can confirm HP -> Geico -> Wendy's watching FoxOne on Fubo
Sæder
then Wendy. then weird ATT gaming with your parents ad. that could be you, war2d2
war2d2
I should be so lucky.
Doug Gray
5th commercial is the nutrafol
6th commercial is a Harbor Freight commercial
psweeting
FWIW Fangraphs win expectancy graph has it increasing the brewers odds from 86.5% to 87.9%
bbCardz
So, what did you do on Fangraphs? We listed the commercials.
Anonymous Member #46
Rigorously, with peer review!
David (formerly Sonoma State)
We talked about the pitcher’s butts
Dan Szymborski
"Hi, I'm Corey Seager. I'm a MLB SS, the better Seager, and the second-earliest balding man behind Michael Chilkis, and I'm here to talk about Nutrafol."
Seuss2004
I recently realized the Seagers are the only pair of MLB brothers with 200+ HRs each and I definitely had not expected that.
Dan Szymborski
Asses are one of the things that are universal to the human experiences
John Church
Opinions and…
Sonny L
Nobody challenges the pitch after the one they should have like Contreras. Auto tilt challenges
Sonny L
Did this crowd think they were going to win? Feels like they’ve been holding their breath from the first pitch
brewersbibliophile
When you get your ass beat the first time around, you’re next as excited going into the second.
AdvantageSchneider
What would you do?
Dan Szymborski
I wonder if being Joe's brother causes Dom DiMaggio to be really underrated in history
Sæder
i was just rewatching The Last Goodbye, and Marlowe asks his bud to name the DiMaggios. And Joe was the one the guy forgot of the three. Oddball scripting!
Matt Martelledited
You mean The Long Goodbye?
Sæder
yes! too tense right now
bbCardz
Cmon man.
Phillip Denny
JDP could write a legend here if he does the thing….
Sonny L
Shook off to throw the curve he hadn’t executed all AB. Maddening
bbCardz
Better to throw it in the dirt apparently
Sonny L
Those curves under the zone set up a bottom rail FB really well. You just have to throw it.
Phillip Denny
JDP like most power lefties has a happy zone low and inside.
Sonny L
THATS what you throw Tucker 3-2
Seuss2004
"No pressure kid. If you miss this, we lose."
bbCardz
For the love of God
bbCardz
Don’t GIVE them the game
Benny The Jet
Nothing better than when these games live up to the hype in October
war2d2
Gameday says my TV feed is two pitches behind. I think that’s the sweet spot actually, I like being ready to watch a big moment.
war2d2
Or not. Welp.
bosoxforlife
Back tomorrow for more entertaining interaction with the great fans and writers at Fangraphs.
Dan Szymborski
Megill was pop on toast but made it
Sæder
wow. low scoring with short outings by Cy Young starters. not what i imagined.
bbCardz
Finally, Jesus
comradeyurika
What a game!
Dan Szymborski
Baumann has the gamer tonight, so hopefully the MLB official didn't kidnap him
war2d2
He’s on Bluesky, he’s just shunning us.
Phillip Denny
If you're the dodgers, your takeaway is you made their best pitcher work and you got somewhat into the bullpen. If you're the Brewers, your takeaway is you looked and felt like the better team innings 5-9.
Sonny L
2 judges had it a draw. 3rd gave a 10-9 advantage based on Ashby
Dan Szymborski
Ah, yeah he skeeted 14 minutes ago
Benny The Jet
And we get two games tomorrow!
Dan Szymborski
Do we get a Whopper or something now?
Phillip Denny
Never forget that they took away "Steal a Base, Steal a Taco" from you.
bbCardz
At least it wasn’t endless pharmaceutical and betting app commercials
Dan Szymborski
OK, game over so I'm gonna go play Trails of Cold Steel II
Demetrio Crisantes is off to a hot start in the Arizona Fall League. The 22-year-old second baseman has gone 8-for-20 with a triple and a pair of doubles for the Salt River Rafters. That hardly comes as a surprise. As our own Brendan Gawlowski wrote prior to the regular season, “Crisantes has a case as the best pure hitter in the D-backs system.”
The Tucson native’s track record largely backs up that opinion. Since being drafted in the seventh round by his home-state team in 2023 out of Nogales High School, Crisantes has slashed .312/.399/.473 with a 125 wRC+. Moreover, this past season he batted .296 with 10 home runs over 335 plate appearances between three levels, topping out at Triple-A. Notably, Arizona’s No. 3 prospect played all but the final two weeks as a 21-year-old.
Staying on the field has been an issue. Crisantes has undergone a pair of Tommy John surgeries — the first at age 15, the second two years later — and he has subsequently dealt with hamstring and shoulder injuries. That makes his stint in the desert especially meaningful. Eric Longenhagen put it this way in his Fall League preview:
“He has really hit when he’s been healthy, and how he looks in the AFL might help inform whether the D-backs feel comfortable trading Ketel Marte this offseason. He’s arguably the most important eval in the entire league.”
Asked for a self-assessment of his strengths as a hitter, Crisantes cited the plus contact skills described in Gawlowski’s scouting report. Read the rest of this entry »
When the Los Angeles Dodgers finished off the Atlanta Braves in Game 4 of the NLDS, they set up a rematch of last year’s NLCS against the Milwaukee Brewers. Last time around, the Brewers, coming off an extremely successful 97-65 season, ran into the Dodger buzzsaw and were swept out of the postseason. While Milwaukee mostly kept Los Angeles’ offense in check, the Brew Crew could only muster one run in each of their four games, and when that’s all you manage to score, you have to pitch shutouts to prevail. As noted in many a book and movie, revenge frequently comes with a good deal of satisfaction, whatever Herman Melville may have thought. And the Brewers now have the chance to turn the tables on the Dodgers and stymie their quest for baseball’s first three-peat (please don’t sue me, Pat Riley) of the 21st century.
Going back to the start of the modern World Series in 1903, there have been 45 consecutive-year postseason rematches in major league history (here we’re including a rematch in any playoff series the following year). In 17 of those 45 rematches, the previous year’s loser got their revenge, but no team has immediately avenged a playoff sweep. Granted, before now, there have only been five chances for a team to get vengeance the year after being swept in the playoffs — Orioles-Twins in 1970, Yankees-Rangers in 1999, Cardinals-Padres in 2006, Red Sox-Angels in 2008, and Yankees-Twins in 2010 — but it still gives the Brewers the opportunity to do something that’s never been done before.
ZiPS favors the Dodgers by a significant, but not overwhelming, margin in the NLCS. But with the fourth-most wins in the majors over the last decade, including the most wins in each of the last two seasons, the Brewers aren’t your typical scrappy underdog fighting for table scraps. Yet, in another sense, they are: Every year, they crush the expectations of fans, the Vegas oddsmakers, and projection systems. As the developer of one of those projection systems, I’ve spent a lot of time scratching my head over how the Brewers so routinely defy the expectations of my model in a way no other team has, and while I think I’ve identified the mechanism of my humiliation, I’m still trying to figure out how to model it. Read the rest of this entry »
Pope Leo XIV may not have quite as much pull with The Man Upstairs as Chicago fans had hoped. After obliterating the Astros in the Wild Card Series and jumping out to a 2-0 lead in the ALDS, the White Sox dropped three in a row to end their miracle 2026 season. On the back of a brilliant performance from starter Gavin Williams, the Guardians defeated the White Sox, 2-0, in Game 5. They’ll now head to St. Petersburg to face the Rays on Monday night, making their second ALCS appearance in three years.
So many things about this series were odd. Both managers pulled every lever they could get their hands on. The first four games featured 49 pitchers and just 54 hits. Cleveland manager Stephen Vogt continued the trend in Game 5. He shook up his lineup, sitting catcher Austin Hedges in favor of Patrick Bailey, who homered in Game 4. Angel Martínez, who went 0-for-15 in the first four games of the series, got benched in favor of Petey Halpin, who ran a 66 wRC+ in the regular season. But after all the mixing and matching and overthinking, the rubber match was a genuine, old-fashioned pitcher’s duel. If you’re a fan of gaudy strikeout totals and teardrop curveballs pouring into the strike zone, this was the game for you.
The game also looked like it might be impacted by weather. Rain started falling before first pitch, with the intensity picking up in the bottom of the second. By the third, the television broadcast was cutting to Guardians fans wearing ponchos and the cleat cleaner was getting significant air time. The grounds crew replaced the cleat cleaner after the third, and just like that, the rain calmed down. By the fifth, it had all but stopped. Read the rest of this entry »
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Keaton Arneson
UND football is blowing it's chance for #1 after next week.
Sean Dolinar
Sounds like you are only missing heartbreak.
Keaton Arneson
And our All American caliber QB is hurt. He was probably going to get $ million+ next year from a big school.
Brian547
What is the community consensus on whether the bullpen management by Vogt has been horrible, or horrible enough to warrant his immediate removal?
Keaton Arneson
I have hated bullpen management this series, but no way I would let Vogt go. I assume bullpen management wasn't just a Vogt decision, but a game plan worked out with the front office.
Sean Dolinar
Good evening! Appreciate everyone being here.
Brian547
It was worked out that you would only use your BEST pitchers in the LOWEST leverage situations???? What?
Keaton Arneson
I agree. I think it's been too much of win now and not to win the series.
Brian547
Why is Festa on the roster?
Keaton Arneson
If he wasn't hurt, I would have pitched him over Smith and Williams in the 9th
Keaton Arneson
I don't know if he's hurt
Brian547
Or 8th or previous game 8th or 9th… ok end rant… I am just venting a bit and looking for feedback. Cheers for the platform, everyone enjoy the game!!
Sean Dolinar
This is good content, thought!
Phil
I guess my mild defense of Vogt would be tbat, given the state of CWS's pitching, they have a decent chance of a blowout win in game 5. So all in in game 4 made some sense, maybe. Nevertheless, I agree that even with that assumption, some of the details were perplexing.
John Church
They were already in a “big lead” situation, up by 5 in the 8th (or at latest, in the 9th). How big a lead do you need to use your lower leverage guys?
Brian547
umm… not buying the "Hey guys tomorrow is guaranteed to be a blowout win, so its fine if I'm stupid today" defense.
Keaton Arneson
The real question is over/under 3 innings from Williams today and over/under 1.5 runs from Smith? These are the consequences of the previous decisions.
Brian547
The only good idea I have had is that maybe – and this is a real conspiracy theory- the assumption was that hurricane is coming and there will not be a game on SAT.
Philedited
The only hurricane I can remember making it to Cleveland was Sandy, which came from the other direction.
Brian547
like I meant to imply its a horrible horrible explanation… just the only one I have.
John Church
It’s an extreme application of “Don’t save your pitcher for tomorrow; tomorrow it may rain.”
Phil
It might, in fact, but probably later, I think.
Rich Hill's Fastball
Happy Sam Antonacci Appreciation Week to everyone!
small e
my read on Vogt is he got stuck in "we can't plan for game 5 unless we make sure to win today", which makes a small amount of sense, but if you increase your odds of winning G4 from 99.1% to 99.9% by using your best pitchers but maybe dramatically reduce your strength for G5…
Brian547
Right this is catastrophically bad management… no?
small e
for me not fireably bad since he's proven to be very well respected at the job otherwise and this is a kind of strategic choice that could be corrected next time
Brian547edited
If actively making your team less likely to win the series is not fire able can you give an example of something else, within the realm of could plausibly happen, which would rise to that level?
si.or.no
As a card carrying member of Team Entropy (still waiting for my flair), I really enjoy the chaos created by the, um, non-traditional bullpen usage.
Phil
Rays probably have no objection either.
bosoxforlife
I followed college football until the hated NIL turned the game into the NFL minor league but with major league salaries in the Big 4 conferences. There was a time that App. State could beat Michigan in the Big House. Today every game between majors and mid majors is 70-0. I haven't watched a game, even UConn, this year.
Keaton Arnesonedited
What about Michigan "losing" to Western Michigan this year?
Benny The Jet
Could we get another pivotal rain delay in a winner-take-all game in Cleveland?
Sean Dolinar
I want to say if they delay, it will be suspended until tomorrow afternoon. But I'm not sure what this hurricane is going to do. I'm thinking about Sandy dumping rain on this region for like 2-3 days straight. This one looks more scattered.
Rich Hill's Fastball
Maybe a midge delay?
bosoxforlife
I will never forget it. It was so much fun to watch.
Keaton Arneson
Vogt is vindicated. Williams is going 7 shutout innings tonight and Smith with a two inning save.
Brian547
I will gladly issue a public apology if this happens.
bosoxforlife
I do not understand why everybody got so lathered up over Williams throwing some pitches on what is normally his throw day anyway.
Brian547
Its much more the usage of the best pitchers in the lowest leverage situations. Smith was a waste in both games… same for Williams.
bosoxforlife
I agree that Williams was not the best choice there but he isn't made of glass as many seem to think.
Rich Hill's Fastball
That was some high-octane rocket fuel from Williams
Matt Martell
Here's my question to everyone advocating for firing Vogt, or Boone or others: Who would you hire to replace him?
Brian547edited
For Vogt… I would keep him as a bench coach/personality manager and just remove him from every strategic decision going forward. I have nothing against the guy, he seems genuinely likable and a decent person… I just cant defend the decisions and have not heard anyone suggest a way that they can be defended.
Benny The Jet
Vogt and/or Boone in that scenario
Matt Martell
You would want them to swap teams?
Matt Martell
Also, hi
Sean Dolinar
Matt, you aren't at the white out?
Matt Martell
Nope – I have a job that keeps me pretty busy in October.
Matt Martell
Also, I don't think watching Penn State football is good for my mental health
Davy Andrews
I'm on the gamer tonight, so I can't do much chatting, but I wanted to jump in and say hello to everyone.
bosoxforlife
The radar appears to show rain at the corner of Carnegie & Ontario but I don't see any falling or any umbrellas in the stands.
small e
There was a little visibly falling around first pitch time. I can't see it now
Sean Dolinar
There are some drops on their batting helmets
Davy Andrews
If anybody has any thoughts about what I should write tonight, just let me know.
Sean Dolinar
Everyone take a paragraph!
Keaton Arneson
Williams + Smith perfect game of course
Davy Andrews
I'm sure they can hang on.
Sean Dolinar
jinxed, scrap that idea.
Davy Andrews
No-hitter still intact.
Brian547edited
Why "Cleveland Rocks" is objectively the best localized ballpark/team themed song… sorry Boston. Or at least a comparative piece involving the options. I would read that.
Sean Dolinar
This is a good lockout article idea.
Sean Dolinar
🔥
baycommuter
Could do a March Madness-type bracket poll with it.
Rich Hill's Fastball
If this isn't 80-grade stuff for a starter, I don't know what is
bosoxforlife
Williams, at 6'6" and a sturdy 250, doesn't mentioned with Misiorowski, Tolle and Skenes as much as he should be. Just another strikeout machine.
Matt Martell
Do you think the guy who plays Doug in the Liberty Mutual commercials has any regrets about how his life turned out?
Brian547
Mayhem guy made it into John Wick… so it may be working out brilliantly and we just don't know the endgame.
Sean Dolinar
It's super hard to get any steady work in that industry. That's a decent gig. It's no Flo from Progressive.
Sean Dolinar
Incidentally, I went to high school with Mara from those Progressive commercials.
MinClea
I work with a guy who reminds me of Doug. I mentioned this to him. He said – "the guy with the ostrich?" – I laughed and he left the room………….oops.
small e
well, there's the rain
Rich Hill's Fastball
Anyone know where Jason Heyward is?
Sean Dolinar
Was there any talk about moving this early today?
Tommyfastball
5:00 on west coast is kind of a dead zone
Sean Dolinar
More bad, low leverage challenges!
bosoxforlife
A challenge on the first pitch in the 3rd inning? What is he thinking?
small e
fooled himself with where he caught it, maybe? it fell to top of the zone height by the time it was in his glove
Sean Dolinar
He framed himself?
Doug Gray
This was the first draft of Who Framed Roger Rabbit and it didn't play well with audiences so they had to do a re-write.
si.or.no
Colson Montgomery said he wears his pants extra high to draw bad challenges from catchers.
si.or.no
Which makes me wonder:
They use some % of height for the zone, but are there hitters who fall on the edge of the bell curve in torso/leg proportion, where a catcher setting up (or an umpire) is fooled more often about where the auto-zone is?
(Like, not the tall/short guys)
Davy Andrews
CLEAT CLEANER.
Brian547
Muddy boots is the appropriate penalty for pitching in VELCRO high-tops.
MinClea
Least favorite baseball sayings. I will start………."Flashing the leather"………I don't know why – just bugs me.
Doug Gray
"Great piece of hitting" when used to describe a ball that if you hit in the cage your coach would drop his head in disappointment but that ball somehow found the magic spot 107 feet from the plate to land where a glove wasn't.
Seuss2004
My dad always hated when they said 'he had to cover a lot of real estate out there'. It was an unreasonable amount of hatred, like, he couldn't move on after hearing that. Would just soliloquy about the quality of announcers these days and how they don't paint the picture like they used to. I feel obligated to adopt that unhealthy, unbridled rage in his honor.
Brian547
I like that we all went silent to watch the marvel that is tonight's version of Williams.
Benny The Jet
Man Williams looks sharp- what a treat to get an old school pitching duel (so far) in this series, of all series
Rich Hill's Fastball
My jaw's on the floor
Phil
Record for strikeouts in an LCS game seems to be 15 (Clemens).
Rich Hill's Fastball
I think Cole had 15 or 16 in 2019 as well
Phil
That was LDS. Looks like Livan Hernandez and Mussina are the other LCS game with 15.
coldbagel12
Love how Gavin looks, but if this is a 1-0 game I'd take Chicago's chances at a solo shot
Seuss2004
I have nothing to add but want to see if a team shows up next to my name.
Seuss2004
Rats.
Davy Andrews
Click the little settings gear at the top right.
Davy Andrews
There you go.
Rich Hill's Fastball
Seuss, you can use the settings cog in the top right to select your team
bosoxforlife
How come Williams carried a 3.76 ERA and a 3.48? I have seen a 100 mph fastball, a 90 mph slider and 12-6 curveball, the likes of which is seldom seen today, that all look untouchable. Maybe in 2027 starters will be asked to make a relief appearance 2 days before each start if this is what comes out of it.
Matt Martell
A ton of homers
Brian547edited
That is what a Cricket swing normally looks like!! oops meant to post below… apologies
Phil
There ya go.
Doug Gray
Streaming strikes again! I saw this about 30 seconds before contact was made on my TV.
Phil
Sorry. I'll be more careful.
Doug Gray
No way man! Live in the moment!
Sean Dolinar
You can delay the chat up to 3 minutes with the gear in the corner.
Benny The Jet
Thank you again for this feature, it is awesome! For me at least, 15 seconds seems to line up perfectly
moomin
Wow
Sean Dolinar
Those soccer-style chants worked!
Benny The Jet
Man how did he hit that
Rich Hill's Fastball
Wow!
MinClea
man…….that was a great 9 iron !
small e
That pitch was on the ground
bosoxforlife
That is what I was waiting to see! My favorite non-Red Sox player delivering yet again.
bosoxforlife
Matt, I saw the HR's which confused me all the more. How can anyone even hit his stuff, much less take it deep?
Matt Martell
Now this is the question… my guess is batters sell out for 100 up in the zone, and when they guess right, it goes a long way
Ben Schneider
Hi everyone, this game has been fun so far. Williams is absolutely dealing
mlommler
To paraphrase Michael Corleone, all men can be taken yard
Benny The Jet
He's giving strong Verlander vibes right now, and JV always had a bit of trouble with the HR ball
Brian547
They are starting to take better swings…
Phil
So. . . how deep does Vogt let him get if things stay this way?
Yer Main Guy
As long as he's got his foot on their necks
Brian547
I fully expect he will be pulled for Festa right now.
bosoxforlife
72 pitches through 5 is too many in today's game, Vogt will be under the gun if Williams keeps this up. Of course if it was Bob Gibson on the mound Vogt would know that he should stay in the dugout and keep quiet.
Ben Schneider
Vogt always has a quick hook, and I wonder if he'll take Williams out too soon
MinClea
He has to get the 6th……….then see how that goes. If he gets the 8,9,1……..good to go
Doug Gray
I know it's not the newest thing but it is still wild that they will be those quick 5-10 second in-inning commercials. (Rhetorical question) Is there no end to how much we will be subjected to advertising the rest of our lives?
Benny The Jet
If I'm Vogt I'm hoping Williams and Smith are the only two pitchers to touch the ball at this point
moomin
ah… deja vu
MinClea
oops……..
Ben Schneider
Why is the 9 hitter going for three there?
Sean Dolinar
Ooof, that's rough.
Brian547
I have a new scapegoat if CLE loses!!
bosoxforlife
That was a good gamble with one out. It would have been hard to get him in from 2nd.
Brian547
much harder from the dugout
bosoxforlife
As I said, it was a gamble but a good one.
Ben Schneider
8 hitter; point still stands
Sean Dolinar
Gotta be a hero.
bosoxforlife
While we have been enthralled with the pitching of Williams, Burke is actually the first White Sox starter to get past the 5th this post-season.
Phil
This has been a much better-pitched game than I was expecting all around. Just the one swing from the best hitter in this series.
Ben Schneider
I don't recommend that on an 0-2 count
bosoxforlife
Williams hadn't thrown many sliders and that wasn't the time to throw one.
Brian547
That is not CADE SMITH!
jonmberra
I don’t care who wins but j want a hit so we don’t have Blake Snell 2.0 discourse.
Phil
With this pitch count it's not going to be that controversial, I don't think. He's also kinda pitching like he's not expecting to pitch the 7th.
John Church
You can breathe a sigh of relief
Ben Schneider
When Javier was pulled with a no-hitter in the World Series I don't remember many people saying he should have stayed in
Rich Hill's Fastball
Especially with multiple series after this one (you'd hope if you're Vogt), can't risk Williams getting hurt or tiring after today
Matt Martell
And there it is
Brian547
WHY ISNT SMITH WARMING UP???
bosoxforlife
As much as I hate to say it, the White Sox are getting much better swings and there is the first hit.
Phil
Vargas his last hitter either way?
jonmberra
Williams was a victim of his own strikeouts in pursuit of the No-hitter. Hard to do it when you throw that many pitches.
Benny The Jet
Green light here?
Brian547
If Vogt brings in Sabrowski of the 6 bb/9 in with the bases loaded here can I then have him fired please?
Benny The Jet
Oof that could be a huge missed call
Benny The Jet
Nvm
Matt Martell
What a turn of events
John Church
I’m not sure if Murakami is the guy I most want up if I’m the Sox or least want up.
Rich Hill's Fastball
Does Williams run out of gas if he doesn't throw a couple days ago?
Seuss2004
Well that escalated quickly
bosoxforlife
This is an instance when it appears Williams gave it his all from pitch one and has run out of gas. Vogt is definitely making the right move here and that comes from an old school fab who believes in letting the starter go very deep.
Brian547
No the right move is bringing in SMITH… anyone else is a error
bosoxforlife
Closers close!
Brian547
New candidate for my answer to least favorite thing baseball people say!
grill marks
I gotta wonder if hitters don't challenge because they know the pitcher is gonna go back to that spot and then they will just challenge if it's called a strike again.
grill marks
Kind of like baiting the pitcher.
Ben Schneider
No trouble finding the zone there
Phil
Made it, but they're going to miss that challenge I think.
Matt Martell
Great situation to challenge, bad pitch
Brian547
Glad it worked but that should have been smith.
coldbagel12
Gaddis would have been my pick, Smith likes closing. Just not the high walk guy.
bosoxforlife
A lefty against Murakami is the better choice.
Brian547
Smith in addition to being far better, walking fewer batters, HAS REVERSE PLATOON SPLITS!!!
Yer Main Guy
Dude it worked and Smith is still there. You have no argument
Benny The Jet
To play devil's advocate, you can afford a walk there (theoretically), but you absolutely cannot afford a homer
CJedited
I don't see this game ends in 2-0 or 2-1, but it may be my wishful thinking
coldbagel12
Hard to see it right now. But we'll see
Matt Martell
I really want Jo Adell to hit another triple
Ben Schneider
Murakami has pretty big splits, so I think bringing in a lefty made sense
bosoxforlife
Almost a 50% K percentage against lefties.
Brian547
what are you talking about its a lower Xwoba vs righties
Brian547
and higher K rate vs righties
Brian547
dont just make crap up
bosoxforlife
No Brian, Murakami fans a higher rate against lefties.
Ben Schneider
I was basing the splits on OPS, which I know some FG people wouldn't approve of
In my experience as a Tiger's fan, there is now a 100% chance that runner will score, most likely on an infield hit of some kind
Seuss2004
Its hard to generate much enthusiasm when the White Sox have a 117% strikeout rate today
grill marks
Sam A will be the ultimate floor next year.
Rich Hill's Fastball
Here you go Brian547!
Matt Martell
Forget about strikeout rate with two outs and Murakami up:
vs. LHP: 110 wRC+, .328 wOBA, xwOBA .364
vs. RHP: 138 wRC+, .368 wOBA, xwOBA .344
Results say Murakami is better vs. RHP, though xwOBA says the opposite. Cade Smith is the best pitcher in the bullpen and that was a crucial spot. I get it. But I like the Sabrowski matchup.
Matt Martell
I also don't think any major league manager is going to bring in the closer in the sixth inning, no matter the leverage or whether it's the correct move. Teams just don't do it.
bosoxforlife
That is how I was looking at it. The 6th was simply not the right time for Smith.
Ben Schneider
Wasn't that Andrew Miller in 2016? haha
Matt Martell
I don't want to say that it's definitely not the right time. It's just not the way managers do things rn
Benny The Jet
I've never really understood this… it seems like the best RP should be the first RP brought into a leverage situation regardless of inning
Matt Martell
This is a completely fair conclusion to draw. It's just not how teams operate
Matt Martell
FWIW: Andrew Miller wasn't Cleveland's closer in 2016, even if he was the team's best pitcher. The closer was Cody Allen. Having two guys like that makes it easier to use one of them early
bosoxforlife
Pitchers are not machines. They are people just like the rest of us and a closer reacts to a closing situation differently that he would to a non-close situation. The rush that he gets from closing just isn't the same earlier in the 6th.
Sean Dolinar
That inverted xwOBA is crazy.
Yer Main Guy
Could it be directional? Like a tendency to pull against righties that would make wOBA beat xwOBA?
Matt Martell
Definitely could be
Matt Martell
Truly — I think that will align with the rest over time. Small samples, etc.
Matt Martell
Hahahahahaha Petey Halpin against a lefty again!
Phil
How many runs would CLE have to score here for Smith to get pulled?
Brian547
Given prior indications… ~42
coldbagel12
Yeah, this is strong "the limit does not exist" territory
bosoxforlife
I think we can say, without question, that Smith owns the 9th here.
Matt Martell
Halpin OWNS Sean Newcomb
Ben Schneider
Apparently at least 5, since he was left in with a six-run lead
bosoxforlife
Gotta walk Kwan here!
Brian547
Ok I legit think this is a troll
Ben Schneider
Not a fan of intentionally walking the bases loaded
bosoxforlife
Kwan is the best contact hitter in the game and you don't want him getting the bat on the ball with the infield in.
Brian547
man that Jose guy sucks right
Seuss2004
This is a whole lot of drama to serve as a prelude to three White Sox Ks to end the game.
bosoxforlife
I would like to see 21 K's which would be a first in a 9 inning game.
Anonymous Member #46
One, ah-ah-ahhhhh.
Anonymous Member #46
TWO, ah-ah-ahhhhh.
Anonymous Member #46
THREEEEEE, ah-ah-ahhhhh!
Phil
This has been a very enjoyable game from a neutral perspective.
grill marks
yikes
bosoxforlife
I find it nearly incomprehensible that a team that has reached the LCS could strikeout at least 19 times in two out of three games.
jdbolick
The White Sox are a great story but a very flawed team. They're here because the Astros were that bad.
MikeS
96 in just 7 games in the postseason.
grill marks
are you not entertained?
Seuss2004
Luis Arraez struck out 21 times in 2025
Phil
Benintendi is, sadly, not very good. This is not the career I thought he'd have c. 2016.
bosoxforlife
I thought he was going to be something special as well.
jdbolick
Nailing the projection for Benintendi, Moncada, and Devers in 2016 with pretty much perfect accuracy is my favorite victory lap.
Brian547edited
serious question time… would benintendi be allowed to wear that belt if he was pitching? oops guess they all are
Phil
21!!!!!
grill marks
rays in 4.
Ben Schneider
Rays will be massive favorites
bosoxforlife
Now I hope Jose Ramirez can continue his magic in the ALCS.
jdbolick
Cade Smith is nasty. Cleveland is going to be a much tougher matchup for the Rays.
Rich Hill's Fastball
Chicago K Sox
Brian547
maybe this smith guy is pretty good
Seuss2004
Cleveland, sworn enemy of the Holy See
Brian547
Bring it
Philedited
Rays will definitely be favored. But an all-midwest WS would be fun, to me.
grill marks
The rays have 3 Cade Smiths.
Sean Dolinar
Thanks everyone for showing up today! See everyone tomorrow for the start of the NLCS!
A few weeks ago, I led the mailbag with some quick thoughts on the thrilling AL Central race between the White Sox and the Guardians. When I wrote that introduction, Cleveland had just won two of its final three regular-season games against Chicago, and the two teams were tied atop the division.
Neither club was all that good, but each was intriguing in its own way. The White Sox, of course, had the worst playoff odds of any team in the American League on Opening Day and were coming off three straight 100-loss seasons. The Guardians, meanwhile, were postseason regulars, and this year, they had trailed Chicago in the standings for most of the summer before mounting a September comeback. Cleveland maintained its division lead for the rest of the season, but only barely. The Guards finished 85-77; the Sox, 84-78. Their head-to-head records were also separated by just one game, with Chicago holding the advantage there. Now, as the two teams enter tonight’s ALDS Game 5 in Cleveland, the margin between them remains as thin as garlic slices in a mafia movie. Both clubs still aren’t exactly playing crisp baseball — the series has featured bewildering bullpen decisions, befuddling ABS challenges, and more hit-by-pitches (six) than home runs (four) — but they’ve been a ton of fun to watch.
In this week’s mailbag, we’re answering your questions on the worst regular-season players to start regularly for a playoff team, the best starting pitcher matchups in a postseason Game 3, and holy WAR. But first, I’d like to remind you that this mailbag is exclusive to FanGraphs Members. If you aren’t yet a Member and would like to keep reading, you can sign up for a Membership here. It’s the best way to both experience the site and support our staff, and it comes with a bunch of other great benefits. Also, if you’d like to ask a question for an upcoming mailbag, send me an email at mailbag@fangraphs.com. Read the rest of this entry »
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Ben Lindbergh and Meg Rowley banter about Game 4 of the White Sox-Guardians ALDS, playoff pitching chaos, and “rest vs. rust” revisited, then preview the Dodgers-Brewers NLCS rematch, react to MLB’s proposed changes to the regular season and postseason, consider an athletic tournament with stakes that extend beyond baseball, and return to the topic of how leagues decide which treatments are legal.
On the heels of an utterly spectacular Division Series between the Milwaukee Brewers and San Diego Padres — a walk-off, a home run robbery, twopaternity leaves, oh my! — I found myself chewing on two pervasive thoughts. One: that was a hell of a series, and it really deserved a fifth game. Two: how many other Division Series have been on that level?
Since the Division Series’ true birth in 1995 (the 1981 strike led to a one-off set of Division Series that autumn, which then went dormant until the next strike made them permanent) we’ve now had 128 of them, with 41 ending in sweeps and 39 going all the way to a do-or-die Game 5, with the ongoing White Sox-Guardians series becoming the 40th. While early-round series in any sport are bound to have some impossibly stacked rosters beating the brakes off ahead-of-schedule teams that are just happy to be cashing playoff bonuses, the history of the Division Series is also rich with indelible postseason memories. With baseball’s inherent small-sample wackiness often playing a huge role — in 2023, both the 100-win Dodgers and 101-win Orioles were swept out of the Division Series by the unlikeliest World Series participants of the decade — these series often shrink the gap between the haves and the have-nots. Sure, sometimes you get a quick sweep where all three games are forgettable, but if you take a fine-tooth comb through the LDS annals, you’ll also find some 3-0 sets that were dripping with tension. (In 1996, for instance, the Cardinals swept the Padres in a series where San Diego sent the tying run to the plate in the ninth inning of all three games.)
This ranking of the best Division Series ever does not include any of those sweeps, or even any four-gamers, though many tried their damnedest. Division Series touchstones like Pedro Martínez coming out of the bullpen for six untouchable innings or Todd Pratt’s improbable homer play well in a highlight reel, but one great moment does not make a great series. The same thing is true of remarkable Game 5s that capped off an otherwise blah affair. We all remember Howie Kendrick’s 2019 grand slam at Dodger Stadium, but forget that the average margin of victory in that Nationals-Dodgers showdown was 4.6 runs. The same thing is true of the Dodgers’ Division Series in 2021 against the Giants, which ended with Max Scherzer’s only career save and sparked the great check swing debate of our times, but also had games decided by four, five, and seven runs.
For a series to be wholly great, it needs start-to-finish drama, star power, and multiple classic games; a little sprinkling of narrative intrigue doesn’t hurt either. Here are the 10 best of the Division Series variety, presented in descending order.
10. All of 2012
This one is obviously cheating, but 2012 is the only year in which all four Division Series went five games, so it gets its own spot. The fact that shorthand is a sufficient way to summarize many of the key events — the Buster Posey grand slam, the Pete Kozma game, the Raul Ibanez game, Justin Verlander vs. Oakland Round 1 — is all you need to know about how spectacular the second week of October was in 2012.
9. 2016 – Dodgers Beat Nationals 3-2
There was a time in the not-so-distant past where the dominant conversation surrounding Dodgers playoff games was that Clayton Kershaw wasn’t very good in them, and that the Los Angeles bullpen was even worse. This narrative clung to the Dodgers as they entered the 2016 postseason having been bounced in the Division Series each of the last two years. This time, though, led by young first-year manager Dave Roberts, questions abounded regarding the team’s overall postseason mettle.
While those were somewhat quieted by Kershaw outdueling Scherzer to take a tight Game 1, the Dodgers dropped each of the next two games, one of which featured Kenley Jansen puking up four earned runs. Allow me to briefly remember some other Dodger bullpen guys who played a big role in this series: Luis Avilán, Pedro Báez, Joe Blanton, and Grant Dayton each made at least three appearances. Avilán, Báez, and Blanton were all dynamite, escaping the series without giving up an earned run. Dayton, however, was the reason the Dodgers nearly blew it again. He took the mound for the seventh inning of Game 5, the Dodgers holding a three-run lead. He was tasked with the bottom of Washington’s lineup, the type of thing that seems simple until you remember that absolutely nothing is simple in playoff baseball. He walked Danny Espinosa, gave up a pinch-hit bomb to Chris Heisey, and then let Clint Robinson reach on a single.
From there, somewhat famously, Roberts aggressively fired Jansen and Kershaw for the final nine outs. Kershaw not only logged his first and only major league save that night, he did so while coming into a messy inning with the tying run in scoring position. This brief but successful outing was as storybook as it gets, removing a fairly sizable monkey yelling about postseason shortcomings from his back. Let us also quickly pay respect to Chase Utley, whose game-winning hit in Game 4 saved the Dodgers’ bacon.
8. 2017 – Yankees Beat Cleveland 3-2
The 2017 Yankees remain the last team to lose the first two games of an LDS and still win the series, though the Guardians could change that on Saturday. Falling into that hole made for an exigent series in its own right, but the Yankees starting the comeback with seven shutout innings from Masahiro Tanaka and a left-on-left Greg Bird homer against a warlock reliever made it even more impressive.
Luis Severino pitched the game of his life to win Game 4, and Didi Gregorius thumped two homers off Corey Kluber, who’d go on to win his second Cy Young that year, to win Game 5. There are so many other things from this series to mention, like how Aaron Judge struck out 16 times, comfortably breaking the Division Series record, or how Cleveland committed a mind-boggling nine errors in five games. It would also be a tremendous oversight not to mention that Game 2 — a 9-8 win for Cleveland that took 13 innings — is one of the very best baseball games of this century, and contained this clip, which I would watch if I ever needed to summon the strength to lift a two-story home from its foundation.
7. 2011 – Cardinals Beat Phillies 3-2
On paper, the 2011 Phillies had everything. This was the fabled Four Aces team, and those four — Roy Halladay (twice), Cole Hamels, Cliff Lee, and Roy Oswalt — made every start of this series. The offense still had its championship core intact as well, even if they were aging. Ryan Madson had an excellent year filling in for the injured Brad Lidge as the team’s primary closer, and on top of that, these Phils were battle tested, having participated in each of the previous four Octobers.
What they didn’t account for was the little guys.
Skip Schumaker and Ryan Theriot were as much of a reason the Cardinals won this series as their Hall of Fame teammates were. While Albert Pujols hit .350 and Yadier Molina threw out three would-be basestealers while masterfully guiding Cardinals pitchers through the vaunted Phillies lineup, Schumaker and Theriot combined to go 12-for-20 with four doubles and four RBI. The biggest of those RBI came in the decisive Game 5, when Schumaker flicked the 10th pitch of his first at-bat off Halladay into the right field corner. It wound up being the only run of the game.
That game is seared into the Delaware Valley’s collective memory for many reasons, the biggest two being Chris Carpenter bullying the Phillies all night en route to a complete game shutout, and Ryan Howard tearing his Achilles in the game’s final at-bat, which was the definitive and unfortunate end to that run of good fortune in Philadelphia. But that game was also one of three one-run affairs in this highly competitive series, including a Game 2 where the Cardinals clawed back from an early 4-0 deficit to beat Lee, and a nailbiter Game 3 where neither team scored until Ben Francisco lifted a pinch-hit homer in the seventh.
Apart from an 11-6 Phillies win to start the series, every game of this tilt was a box office spectacle.
6. 1997 – Cleveland Beats Yankees 3-2
The defending-champion Yankees squared off against Cleveland, with both teams right in the teeth of their ’90s revitalization. They were kind enough to only play bangers.
In Game 1 in the Bronx, the visitors jumped David Cone for five runs in the first inning, only to turn around and watch their bullpen give the Yankees five right back in the sixth. It wasn’t any ordinary offensive explosion either; the Yanks went back-to-back-to-back, marking the first time that had ever happened in a postseason game. If you like watching videos of old Yankee Stadium going ham, I highly recommend pressing play.
Cleveland roughed up Andy Pettitte to steal Game 2, but then lost Game 3 at home, setting up two win-or-go-home games. Because of the playoff format of the time, those were both in Cleveland, and while we will never be able to quantify home field advantage, the hometown nine did take both of them by exactly one run. In Game 4, Cleveland was four outs from elimination when Sandy Alomar Jr. took Mariano Rivera deep in the eighth and Omar Vizquel walked it off in the ninth.
To this day, Blue Jays-Rangers in 2015 is the series that felt the most like drugs. The energy from pre-renovation Rogers Centre was palpable through the television screen, and rightfully so. This was the Blue Jays’ first taste of October baseball since winning the title in 1993, and their berth in the postseason broke the longest active playoff drought at the time.
Naturally, the Jays lost their first two home games, getting dinked and dunked by Delino DeShields and Hanser Alberto. Game 2 was the real barnburner though, needing 14 innings and 37 total players to complete.
If you’re going to poke holes in this series’ status as an all-timer, it’s because Games 3 and 4 in Texas were relative snoozers. But Game 5 more than made up for them. It was not just a spine tingler, a national exaltation for all of Canada, and the moment that bat flips fully went mainstream thanks to José Bautista’s epic go-ahead home run, but it was also a reminder of what it means to truly be alive (and also that if a catcher throws the ball back to the pitcher and it doinks off the hitter’s bat, that’s still a live ball).
4. 2001 – Diamondbacks Beat Cardinals 3-2
If a series in which every game is decided by three runs or less, the teams alternate wins, and the final swing produces a walk-off hit doesn’t do it for you, this probably just isn’t your jam.
The Diamondbacks won this series despite getting outscored 12-10. They also lost the lone game that Randy Johnson started. The Cardinals, meanwhile, managed to hit a measly .191 for the series and relied heavily on their bullpen, which lacked a true alpha and wasn’t particularly strong in the regular season. Put all that in a blender and you get a weird, gelatinous substance that doesn’t quite feel right but is compelling nonetheless.
One man who was on top of his game was Curt Schilling, who has a case for the best Division Series performance ever. Schilling started two games and went nine innings in both of them, starting with a true masterpiece in Game 1 (nine strikeouts, three hits, zero runs). The encore in Game 5 came with a teensy blemish, but Schilling matched his nine strikeouts and finished with a record-setting 1.30 Win Probability Added for the series. His 18 innings pitched in a Division Series are also a record, and if you’re wondering about that solitary mistake, it was leaving this pitch to J.D. Drew over the plate.
Luckily for the neutral fan, Schilling’s poor location set up Tony Womack’s series-ending floater, foreshadowing more clutchness from him later that postseason.
3. 2003 – Red Sox Beat Athletics 3-2
If you sat down and watched every game of this series today, you’d probably say the worst one was the A’s 5-1 win in Game 2, which was the most lopsided of the series. But that would also mean you just watched Barry Zito twirl seven innings of poetry. Zito’s gem put the Athletics in the driver’s seat but unable to finish the race, as the Red Sox ran off a trio of wins to take the series. First in line to make Oakland slightly less romantic about baseball: Trot Nixon.
The very next day, the A’s lugged a lead into the eighth inning and hitched their wagon to Keith Foulke for the final six outs. He got the first two, then was interrupted by David Ortiz.
The Red Sox took that game in another white knuckler that put a period on an unfathomable streak for the A’s. The green and gold endured four straight ALDS Game 5 losses from 2000-03, with this one marking the second in three years after winning the first two games of the series. Tough for the East Bay baseball fans, cinema (literally and figuratively) for fans of exciting ball. And hey, A’s fans will always have Ramon Hernandez’s bizarre yet effective two-out, walk-off bunt from Game 1.
2. 2013 – Tigers Beat Athletics 3-2
It is not hyperbole at all to say every game of this series had a serotonin spike. If Scherzer and Bartolo Colon duking it out in Game 1 wasn’t enough for you, that game ended with the slimmest of margins as Joaquín Benoit had to slay Brandon Moss and Yoenis Cespedes to close it out. Game 2 was a scoreless tie into the bottom of the ninth — Justin Verlander and Sonny Gray, take a bow — when then-unknown catcher Stephen Vogt spanked a walk-off single. In Game 3, Grant Balfour and Victor Martinez screamed at each other real loud! The Tigers trailed 3-0 in Game 4, then 4-3, and still managed to pull out a win. That game deserves a closer look, because Scherzer came in for a relief outing that was this close to being a complete disaster.
To set the scene, Scherzer relieved Doug Fister in the top of the seventh, with the game knotted at three. Some small ball from the A’s spawned the aforementioned 4-3 lead, but the Tigers got it back in the seventh, partly due to a home run that may or may not have been interfered with.
When Scherzer came out for the eighth, he proceeded to load the bases with nobody out, grit his way to two massive strikeouts, then run the count full to Alberto Callaspo, who laced a line drive that hung up just long enough to be caught. It really was an absolute powder keg of a baseball game.
Game 5 was more tyranny from Verlander, who was just torturous to the A’s. At this point we’ll stop highlighting Oakland’s shortcomings and focus on Verlander, who is one of five pitchers to post a 0.00 ERA in an LDS while tossing at least 10 innings.
1. 1995 – Mariners Beat Yankees 3-2
I don’t need to explain why this series is paramount to the Seattle Mariners’ very existence, or how Ken Griffey Jr. chugging around the bases to win Game 5 is surely the best that any baseball player has ever looked while running.
What maybe does need explaining is everything that led to Edgar Martinez’s picturesque swing and The Kid’s wild ride. Like how Griffey (maybe the most beloved player the Mariners have ever employed) uncorked two home runs off David Cone in Game 1, only for reliever Bobby Ayala (maybe the least beloved player the Mariners have ever employed) to later serve up three runs that essentially sealed Seattle’s loss. Perhaps you were unaware that Vince Coleman and his .345 career slugging percentage hit a tater in Game 2, a sordid evening in the Bronx that lasted over five hours, culminating in Jim Leyritz’s walk-off dinger that nearly killed professional baseball in Seattle.
The Mariners bounced back to win a fun Game 3 and had to overcome a five-run deficit to survive Game 4. While Martinez’s legacy is tied to The Double in Game 5, the M’s aren’t even in that position if not for his less-heralded handiwork the day before. It is a marvel of human accomplishment that he kept the first one fair.
Game 5 was one for the books. While the heroics of both Martinez and Griffey are deserving of their own 20,000 words, and are the main reason why this series gets the top spot, let’s continue the education around the other parts of that legendary Sunday at the Kingdome.
Cone unleashed a legitimately reckless 147 pitches, the Yankees finished with six hits but 10 walks, and a rookie setup man named Rivera made his third straight scoreless appearance on his way to leading all pitchers in WPA for the series.
They were five close, high-scoring games that could never be replicated, have been slightly imitated, but are now forever vindicated with the top spot on this list.
I watched eight Arizona Fall League games over the last week, and today’s a good time to empty the notebook on some of the position players I saw. I’ve got a mix of updates on top prospects and notes on a couple off-the-radar names who impressed me. Let’s get to it, starting with perhaps the best player in the league.
Kilby looks great as a hitter. He’s quick and direct to the ball, he doesn’t leak early, his swing stays on plane forever, he adjusts well off the fastball, and he can use the whole field. He can seemingly get his hands everywhere, and the way he’s able to pull them in and turn around velocity is in a class with the Max Clarks and Kevin McGonigles of the world.
Kilby is also smooth and balanced at shortstop, rangy with a good internal clock. His throwing stroke looks pushy when he has time, but he can let it rip when he needs to get rid of the ball quickly. He looked like the best player on the field, and his stock surged for both Eric and me during my time in Arizona. Read the rest of this entry »