2023 Trade Value: Nos. 1-10

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As is tradition at FanGraphs, we’re using the lead-up to the trade deadline to take stock of the top 50 players in baseball by trade value. For a more detailed introduction to this year’s exercise, as well as a look at the players who fell just short of the top 50, be sure to read the Introduction and Honorable Mentions piece, which can be found in the widget above.

For those of you who have been reading the Trade Value Series the last few seasons, the format should look familiar. For every player, you’ll see a table with the player’s projected five-year WAR from 2024-2028, courtesy of Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections. The table will also include the player’s guaranteed money, if any, the year through which their team has contractual control of them, last year’s rank (if applicable), and then projections, contract status, and age for each individual season through 2028 (if the player is under contract or team control for those seasons). Last year’s rank includes a link to the relevant 2022 post. Thanks are due to Sean Dolinar for his technical wizardry. At the bottom of the page, there is a grid showing all of the players who have been ranked up to this point.

As you might imagine, we’re well into the good stuff. All of these players are hugely valuable, and few are likely to actually get traded. That doesn’t mean this is purely theoretical, but it’s something approaching that. Like most lists, ordinal rankings can be deceiving; there isn’t an equal value gap separating every spot on the list. I’ve tried to mention where there are large gaps, but don’t read too much into someone being ninth instead of fifth. There just isn’t much difference between those two spots, and both players are a lot more valuable than the guy ranked 15th.

If you have any questions about the rankings, I’ll be chatting today at 10 AM ET.

Now, let’s get to the final batch of players.

Five-Year WAR 18.0
Guaranteed Dollars $74.0 M
Team Control Through 2029
Previous Rank HM
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2024 25 3.7 $1.0 M
2025 26 3.7 $4.0 M
2026 27 3.8 $20.0 M
2027 28 3.5 $22.0 M
2028 29 3.3 $22.0 M

Strider has changed the way I think about pitching. I’m still in the process of formulating my new viewpoint, but I used to err on the side of “too reliever-y” if a starter only had two pitches. Strider, by way of Jacob deGrom, has changed my mind. I’ll accept a two-pitch pitcher, with some reservations, as long as both pitches are absurdly good. I’m still going to be skeptical — I’m not completely ignoring breadth of arsenal — and I think that having more good pitches gives young starters more paths to success. But Strider’s fastball looks like it was designed in a lab – ideal angle, ideal movement, huge velocity – and that’s enough for me to overlook his lack of variety.

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The numbers speak for themselves; he’s striking out nearly 40% of the batters he faces and walking fewer than the league average. Hitters aren’t adjusting, but Strider might be: He’s only issued five walks in his last six starts. That’s absolutely terrifying, and it’s self-perpetuating too. It’s so tough to string together baserunners against him that your best bet is running into a homer, so hitters take bigger cuts, only they can’t hit his dang fastball in the first place, so they’re coming up empty at a comical clip.

I think he’ll always give up more homers than you’d expect for someone so dominant, but I don’t think a .330 BABIP is merited in the long run, and pretty much every ERA estimator agrees with me (they all also think Strider’s 2022 FIP overstates his talent, to be clear). The going-forward picture seems as rosy as can be for a profession as inherently injury-prone as pitching. Heck, he’s even developing a solid changeup to alleviate the two-pitch concern.

As is customary for a good player on the Braves, Strider’s contract is a huge boon to the team. He’s on the books for $74 million over the next five years and there’s a club option after that. It’s hard to get good starting pitching for double that rate. Plus, he’s only 24. I’m of course worried about injury – I’ve thought of him as “baby deGrom” so often that it’s impossible not to think about it – but this combination of player and contract is so good that I’d still trade a ton for Strider if you told me with 100% certainty he’d miss a season.

Five-Year WAR 19.7
Guaranteed Dollars $107.2 M
Team Control Through 2028
Previous Rank #5
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2024 27 4.4 $10.8 M
2025 28 4.2 $15.8 M
2026 29 4.1 $26.8 M
2027 30 3.8 $26.8 M
2028 31 3.2 $26.8 M

Maybe Alvarez is what we thought Juan Soto would be. His career batting line is ludicrous, and yet when you watch him hit, it’s clearly earned. He has gobsmacking raw power, he doesn’t expand the strike zone, and he covers the whole plate with good contact skills despite an explosive swing. Teams tried to beat him with high fastballs for a while, but he fixed that hole. He has negligible platoon splits. He’s a complete hitter who also has some of the best batted ball quality in the world.

The downsides are just as obvious as the upsides: Alvarez is a big dude with 16th-percentile sprint speed at age 26, and while the Astros noodle around with him in left field, he’s essentially a DH. Every other position player ranked in the top 20 of this list provides real defensive value; Alvarez is his bat, and nothing but his bat. That raises the “first base dead zone” risk I mentioned earlier this week, but it’s not that much of a worry. When you hit like this, it matters a lot less where you stand (or sit) on defense.

Of course, you have to be healthy to hit at all, and Alvarez has a history of knee issues that cost him the 2020 season. He hasn’t topped 600 plate appearances in a season yet, even with the benefit of DH’ing. I’m not really any more concerned about him than I am about any player with an injury history – four hitters in our top 10 have missed an entire season – but it’s certainly a potential pitfall worth considering.

Given both his body type and injury history, all the worries I heard around Alvarez focused on his lack of athleticism. I guess my response is just that I don’t care that much. He’s pretty clearly athletic where it counts, strong and with lightning-quick reflexes. At some point, those concerns will bear fruit, because every player eventually declines, but it’s not enough to alter my perception of the value a team would reap in the here and now if they traded for him.

Everyone in the top 10 is under team control for a long time, and Alvarez is no exception. He’s signed for another five years at roughly $20 million per year, a bargain for a player this consistently great. He’s on a historic trajectory; hitters very rarely post this many superlative seasons to start their careers. The only thing that’s keeping him this low is an oblique injury that has kept him out for just over a month of games. It doesn’t seem like a long-term concern – in fact, the Astros are poised to activate him from the IL Monday – but we’re dealing with narrow margins in this part of the list, so every little bit counts.

Five-Year WAR 29.7
Guaranteed Dollars $324.8 M
Team Control Through 2034
Previous Rank #3
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2024 25 5.5 $11.7 M
2025 26 6.1 $20.7 M
2026 27 6.2 $20.7 M
2027 28 6.1 $25.7 M
2028 29 5.8 $25.7 M

I’m going to mention this up front, because it’s where any discussion of Tatis as a trade target begins: He has a massive contract, he’s injury prone, and he’s already been suspended for PED use. I know those things. There’s undeniable risk here; Tatis has missed nearly 300 games since his major league debut, almost two seasons. A Ferrari isn’t as exciting parked in the garage as it is zipping down the highway. How can Tatis command a hefty return if it’s impossible to know whether he’ll play?

That’s a serious anchor on Tatis’ value, but let me give you the counterargument: life is risk. Every time you leave your home, there’s a small but non-zero chance you’ll get hit by a falling satellite or zapped by a lightning bolt. Tatis carries more risk than your average superstar, but it’s not an all-or-nothing proposition. No one is a lock to be healthy and great; we’re just measuring degrees. Accept that, and then we can discuss whether the juice is worth the squeeze here.

For me, it is. Yes, Tatis is going to make a boatload of money very soon, and he’s under contract for forever. If he’s on the field, though, the money will be just fine, and having a superstar under contract for forever is the entire point of team-building. The rest is just details.

I don’t have enough words to describe Tatis’ immense talent. His bat is thunderous. He cranks line drives and towering fly balls to all fields. He’s in the 95th percentile for xwOBA, the 98th for xBA, the 94th for xSLG – and this is a down year. He’s cutting down on his strikeouts. He picked up a new position basically cold and might win a Gold Glove in his first year out there. He’s still only 24. He missed 32 games in 2021 and still put up 7.2 WAR, and he’s not far off that pace this year even with a year’s worth of rust.

You don’t get a chance to sign someone like this until they’re 35 without eating some really painful years in the future. You don’t unless you acquire Tatis, that is. All the hype we’re projecting onto Julio Rodríguez and Corbin Carroll is a reminder of how absurdly good Tatis is. He’s the success case for those guys! Carroll is rocking a 140 wRC+ and he’s the golden boy. Tatis checks in at 135 with better batted ball metrics in comfortably the worst year of his career.

You have to weigh the chances of Tatis missing time. I’d never try to convince you not to. I’ve weighed those chances, and I’d still give up a lot to get him. I’ll take clear greatness and an elevated risk of missed games over run-of-the-mill availability concerns and a risk that the player might just not be that good. Have you ever heard that concern about Tatis? Of course you haven’t. Look at those statistics. He’s in the top 20 for WAR among position players since his debut, and he’s played 136 fewer games than anyone in front of him on that list.

If a GM traded for Tatis, and he turned around and missed half of the next four years, that GM would probably get fired. So be it. You’d play a game where you pay $50 and either win $200 or $0 with 50% odds, right? The odds of Tatis turning in a henceforth mostly healthy career are unknowable, but I’d take the over at 50%, and he’s so good when he’s out there. I’m not a gambler by nature, but neither am I particularly risk-averse. Valuing Tatis this highly is a percentage play.

Five-Year WAR 23.1
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2028
Previous Rank HM
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2024 23 4.3 Pre-Arb
2025 24 4.5 Pre-Arb
2026 25 4.7 Arb 1
2027 26 4.8 Arb 2
2028 27 4.8 Arb 3
Pre-Arb
Arb

These are nosebleed heights for a rookie, and if you’re guessing the rest of the list while you read, you might have noticed that there are still two other rookies to go. Henderson was our top prospect coming into the year and he’s lived up to the hype. He’s a selective hitter with huge power, and he’s a solid shortstop defender to boot. He turned 22 less than a month ago; if he were two days younger, this would technically be his age-21 season. Rises don’t get much more meteoric than that.

Worried that the league will figure Henderson out? Thus far, it’s been quite the opposite. He crushed in a small sample last year, came out cold this spring, and then figured it out and started mashing. He has a 153 wRC+ since June 1, to pick an arbitrary endpoint. Hell, he has a 133 wRC+ since May 1. He’s hitting like a solid DH. We’re probably not catching some career-best sample, either. This is 100% of his major league track record, and it’s all green flags and thumbs up.

What’s holding Henderson back from being even higher? The other players are just better, and they’re around for as long. Five years of team control after 2023 is a ton, but these are the seven best trade values in the game. Everybody has a ton of team control. Henderson won’t make much money for some of those years, but again, that’s par for the course here. Everyone is underpaid relative to their on-field contributions, otherwise they’d be further down the list. Don’t leave this blurb thinking I’m selling Henderson short; I see those ZiPS projections. I just want everyone else a litttttle bit more.

Five-Year WAR 18.5
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2029
Previous Rank
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2024 22 2.8 Pre-Arb
2025 23 3.2 Pre-Arb
2026 24 3.9 Pre-Arb
2027 25 4.2 Arb 1
2028 26 4.4 Arb 2
Pre-Arb
Arb

One of the people I talked to for this list lit upon the best way of figuring out where I wanted to rank De La Cruz. He said this: “Rob Manfred is letting you start a team, and you get one of two players with their current contracts. Would you rather have Elly or Yordan?” It was Elly for me. This sounding board did that for everyone I had ahead of De La Cruz at the time, and every time I thought about it and then picked the Reds wunderkind. He got this high before I found someone I’d take instead.

As you’d expect for a 21-year-old switch hitter who only reached Double-A last summer, there’s a lot of dreaming in this valuation. De La Cruz’s promise is meaningfully bigger than his results so far. He strikes out too much. He hits too many grounders. He takes huge cuts from both sides of the plate and comes up empty more often than you’d like. If I needed a shortstop to carry me to the playoffs this year, he wouldn’t be my pick.

He’s also a 6-foot-5 shortstop with 80 speed and 80 power, staying afloat against by far the most advanced competition of his life at age 21. The ceiling here is Aaron Judge with more defensive value. Maybe it’s even higher than that – we don’t have many comparisons to speak of because Elly’s largely unprecedented.

Could De La Cruz flame out? Of course. The strikeouts! The body type! The fact that he swings so hard he looks like he’ll be lifted off the ground on his backswing! We’re not exactly talking about treasury bills here. You don’t have to be a catastrophizer to start worrying about what could go wrong. That’s not normal for the top of the trade value list. I just think the math works.

I have a cross-sport comp to offer you: Watching De La Cruz this year is a lot like watching Carlos Alcaraz last summer. Is he there yet? Nope. Does he just have it, that drive to get better combined with top-tier talent? It feels that way to me. I’m not saying that De La Cruz is a lock to win two of baseball’s next four Grand Slams, or even what the hell that comparison would mean, but if the question is who’s going to be baseball’s next mega-star from among the crop of players under 25, I think De La Cruz might be the best bet, even if he has the lowest floor.

A key benefit? If he doesn’t work out, if it turns out that a guy with his blend of size, strength, speed, and baseball IQ just can’t stay healthy or make contact or whatever his fatal flaw ends up being, he won’t cost you anything. You’ll also get six more years of team control after this one thanks to when he got called up, and half of those years will be at the league minimum, so even if it takes him two years to click, it’s fine. Nobody in the top 25 has more bust risk than De La Cruz, but if he hits, the benefits will be astronomical.

Five-Year WAR 21.6
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2027
Previous Rank #13
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2024 26 4.6 Pre-Arb
2025 27 4.5 Arb 1
2026 28 4.4 Arb 2
2027 29 4.1 Arb 3
Pre-Arb
Arb

Forty-five blurbs in, I’m pretty sure you know what you’re going to get here. Rutschman is one of the best players in baseball. He takes the field at a premium position and hits like a corner outfielder. That might be underselling his bat, even; he walks a ton and rarely strikes out. Only a power outage has kept his batting line from landing in the stratosphere this year, and his thump looks just fine under the hood. The Orioles frequently have him DH when he isn’t catching to squeeze his bat into the lineup, which helps alleviate some of the catcher playing time penalty I wrestle with in determining value.

Clearly, though, Rutschman’s defense is a big part of why he’s this high on the list. He came into the majors and put on a clinic last year; he was elite as a blocker, thrower, and framer. This year, advanced defensive metrics like everything he’s doing less, but I’m willing to pretty much ignore everything aside from the receiving. His numbers last year felt too good to be true; we had him nine runs above average, and I don’t think anyone is sustainably that good of a framer anymore. Umpires just don’t miss that frequently. Still, I’d call him above average across the board, maybe even better than that, and not a single person I talked to had any concerns about him behind the plate.

Because he was the runner up in last year’s AL Rookie of the Year vote, Rutschman got a full year’s worth of service time despite not debuting until after the Super 2 cutoff. That means he’ll hit free agency a year before anyone else in the top 10 of this list. That’s the biggest knock against him, to be honest, and it’s not much of a drawback. If you think Rutschman is going to turn into a bust, I’m interested in playing poker with you, because I’m pretty sure you aren’t good at calculating probabilities.

The natural next step in his career is for Rutschman to sign a landmark extension. He was the first of this wave of Orioles debuts, and he’s the clear leader of the pack. He’s not getting traded, regardless of the title of this exercise. I don’t think it’ll be long before he’s the best catcher in baseball. He’s young, great, and with offensive upside even from his already elevated perch. And now I’ve officially run out of obvious things to say about an obviously great player, so let’s move on to the next one.

Five-Year WAR 27.6
Guaranteed Dollars $109.4 M
Team Control Through 2031
Previous Rank HM
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2024 23 5.1 $3.6 M
2025 24 5.5 $5.6 M
2026 25 5.7 $10.6 M
2027 26 5.7 $12.6 M
2028 27 5.6 $14.6 M

When Carroll was still a prospect, I loved getting updates about him from Eric Longenhagen. “I just saw Corbin Carroll do…” was the start to many of our conversations, and the things that followed were usually outrageous. It’s a lot easier to have Carroll sightings of my own now that he’s in the big leagues, and I have to say, he’s just as much fun as I thought he would be. He’s 10 pounds of power in a five pound bag, a fast-twitch athlete redlining at all times. He’s blindingly fast and hits the ball outrageously hard. Think of Elly De La Cruz squished down to 5-foot-10 and you’ll have an idea of the kind of athlete Carroll is.

Like the pair of Orioles behind him on the list, Carroll excelled in the majors right away. A July swoon probably took him out of the MVP conversation, but the fact that he was in the MVP conversation as a rookie at all should tell you everything you need to know about how handily he’s adjusted to the game’s highest level of competition. His bat plays just like everyone expected it would, but with even more power; he has top-shelf exit velocities and he gets the ball in the air frequently enough to make it count. He’s also a holy terror on the basepaths; he’s added more non-steal baserunning value than anyone else in baseball, and he’s also swiped 28 bags while only getting caught three times.

This isn’t a matter of being overly impressed by a little guy doing big guy things. ZiPS positively drools over Carroll, projecting him as the fifth-best player in baseball over the next five years. He doesn’t just look cool; his tools translate to the field in a way that is both good in the present and highly projectable. The biggest risk is injury; he suffered a gnarly capsule/labrum tear combo in 2021 during a particularly vicious swing and missed the entire year, and he’s had a few scares already this season. “My muscles are too strong for my body” might be a funny way to get hurt, but getting hurt is always bad. That’s all I have for this segment with Doctor Ben.

The last piece of the puzzle is contract status, and Carroll will be a Diamondback for quite a while; as late as 2031, to be precise, thanks to a club option. There are some moving parts to the deal based on his finish in MVP voting, but broadly speaking, he’s making roughly what he’d make in arbitration until he would’ve hit free agency, then making around $30 million a year after that depending on performance. That’s a ton of time to keep a superstar around. I’m not ready to buy in 100% just yet – he’s gonna need another year of performing in the majors for me to get as excited as ZiPS, and the shoulder will probably always scare me a little – but this many years, for a guy this good and with this bright of a future? Sign me up.

Five-Year WAR 25.8
Guaranteed Dollars $204 M
Team Control Through 2037
Previous Rank #4
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2024 23 5.0 $12.2 M
2025 24 5.2 $20.2 M
2026 25 5.3 $20.2 M
2027 26 5.2 $20.2 M
2028 27 5.1 $20.2 M

Last year’s Corbin Carroll is finding life a little bit tougher in his second trip through the majors, but when your down year comes with great defense in center field and superlative baserunning, it’s a bit easier to stomach. Rodríguez’s average offensive line is a bummer, no doubt, but his 2022 and 2023 campaigns look shockingly similar under the hood. He has hellacious bat speed and consistently sprays hard contact to all fields. He swings frequently to take advantage of that power, though that comes with a fair amount of swing-and-miss, so he doesn’t walk much and strikes out more than average. That worked out to a batting line nearly 50% better than average last year; this year, it works out to average. That kind of fluctuation might always be a part of Julio’s game; when you strike out a bunch and don’t pad things with free bases, you’re going to end up with high-variance output. I came out of last season expecting his line to head back to earth somewhat, and I’m going to leave this season thinking the opposite.

But what am I doing here, trying to convince you that Julio Rodríguez is good? Come on – he’s good. We all know that. The tools play. The projections are outrageous. The presence is undeniable. We’re talking about a phenomenally talented player, and no one I talked to, regardless of their analytical bent, thought he was anything less than a star.

That won’t come with paydays quite at the top of the league’s salary range, but Rodríguez is going to be making $18 million a year from 2025 through 2029 and then has just about the most complicated option structure you can imagine after that. There’s a club option for a long-term deal that escalates based on 2022-2028 MVP voting; if they decline that option, Rodríguez can then counter-exercise a shorter player option that itself has escalators based on All-Star and Silver Slugger selections. It’s an interesting framework, something of a cap/floor deal. If things go all the way south, we’re talking about $18 million a year through 2034, but the most likely scenario is that the contract will stretch through 2037 with a higher average annual value. The exact terms aren’t yet known, but the odds that he’ll be a Mariner for the first half of the next decade are quite high regardless.

The way this deal goes wrong is if Rodríguez is more of a one-standard-deviation-above player than a two-standard-deviations-above guy when it comes to star status. I can imagine a world where he’s making $20 million a year and putting up George Springer numbers. That’s not that bad of an outcome, though, and that’s the bad case. The good case is that he spends the next decade as the face of the franchise, a perennial MVP candidate with a few 8-WAR seasons when everything clicks. That makes for a wildly valuable player… just one who’s not quite as valuable as the next two.

Five-Year WAR 26.0
Guaranteed Dollars $178.1 M
Team Control Through 2033
Previous Rank #1
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2024 23 4.8 $2.5 M
2025 24 5.2 $8.5 M
2026 25 5.5 $15.5 M
2027 26 5.3 $22.5 M
2028 27 5.2 $25.5 M

Last year, Franco was ranked first despite not having put together a great full season. Since returning from injury last September, he’s crossing that off the list. He’s combined the best offense of his career with great defense while staying on the field. As a point of comparison, he’s only played six fewer games than iron man Marcus Semien in that stretch, and has just a hair more WAR (4.6, the sixth-best mark in baseball in that span).

It’s what we were expecting from Franco all along. He’s the best prospect of his generation, with preposterous feel to hit and plus power stapled onto a good defensive shortstop. He’s got a lot of José Ramírez to his offensive game – bat control, eye, and power don’t usually come together like this. As he starts hunting pitches to drive instead of trying to put the ball in play early in the count, his power will likely continue to tick up. He’s already made strides in that direction this year, in fact, and there’s still plenty of room to go.

Lest you forget, he just turned 22 this year. He’s younger than Carroll and Rodríguez, and only 10 months older than De La Cruz. He set to work on improving his defense and did exactly that. He might swipe 40 bags this year. As I mentioned, he’s been the sixth-best player in baseball for a solid stretch and I’m still raving about his untapped potential. That’s the kind of talent we’re talking about here. ZiPS has him averaging more than five wins a season for the foreseeable future.

His contract is the one that recent deals for young phenoms are built off of. The Rays are giving him a small raise on what he likely would have made in his arb years, and in exchange, they’ve tacked on six years of free agency (five and a club option) at $25 million a year. Imagine signing a star shortstop to six years/$150 million at age 27, a contract that gives you his prime and rolls off before the worst parts of the aging curve. That would be a coup of a free agent contract, worthy of being on this list in its own right – and that’s the expensive part of Franco’s deal. The next four years are an even better value from a team perspective. Franco is great, he’s going to be around forever, and he’ll probably never have one of the top-25 salaries in the game. $25 million would be outside that range this year, and inflation mostly goes one way. Sign me up for this, please.

Five-Year WAR 28.4
Guaranteed Dollars $61.0 M
Team Control Through 2028
Previous Rank #2
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2024 26 6.0 $17.0 M
2025 27 5.9 $17.0 M
2026 28 5.8 $17.0 M
2027 29 5.5 $17.0 M
2028 30 5.2 $17.0 M
Team Option

Acuña dropped to the second spot on this list last year while he recovered from an ACL injury on the general belief that even though his 2022 was lackluster, he was still one of the best players in the game. With the benefit of hindsight, uh, yup. The runaway NL MVP favorite has elevated his game to a new level this season, and that’s a wild thing to say about someone who had already achieved such great heights early in his career.

The tools? They’re ludicrous. His power is at the top of the scale, excluding various demigods with Judgian dimensions. He has a tremendous feel for the strike zone, rarely chasing balls but frequently punishing pitches he can drive. He might steal 80 bases. He might hit 50 homers. He has the best outfield arm in the game. This year, he stopped striking out, thanks to the strategy of making a lot more contact without sacrificing quality at all. He’s like a video game character with every slider maxed out.

Here’s an easy comparison, one ZiPS agrees with. Acuña and Tatis have strikingly similar projections over the next five years, within 1.5 wins of each other, with Tatis having the slight edge. Acuña wins out in pretty much everything else for me, though. Even with the knee, he’s been healthier and more consistently available. He’ll be around until after the 2028 season, and he’s making $17 million a year over that time frame, a massive bargain. That’s actually on the shorter end of team control among the top 10 players on this list – only Rutschman will hit free agency sooner – but the value and the length are still drool-inducing. Like Tatis, there’s just no talent question here: When Acuña is healthy, he’s one of the best there is.

I started this exercise wanting to put Franco first; I’m a sucker for young players with decade-long deals. When it was all said and done, though, I went with the more spectacular ceiling. Acuña will be an MVP candidate for as long as he can stay on the field. He’s on a tremendous contract that keeps him in the fold for most of his prime. At the end of the day, shouldn’t the top trade value in baseball be the best player with a bonkers-good contract? That’s Acuña, and it doesn’t need to be any more complicated than that.

2023 Trade Value, 1-50
Rk Pv Player Age 2024 2025 2026 2027 2028
1 2 Ronald Acuña Jr. 25 6.0
$17.0 M
5.9
$17.0 M
5.8
$17.0 M
5.5
$17.0 M
5.2
$17.0 M
2 1 Wander Franco 22 4.8
$2.5 M
5.2
$8.5 M
5.5
$15.5 M
5.3
$22.5 M
5.2
$25.5 M
3 4 Julio Rodríguez 22 5.0
$12.2 M
5.2
$20.2 M
5.3
$20.2 M
5.2
$20.2 M
5.1
$20.2 M
4 HM Corbin Carroll 22 5.1
$3.6 M
5.5
$5.6 M
5.7
$10.6 M
5.7
$12.6 M
5.6
$14.6 M
5 13 Adley Rutschman 25 4.6
Pre-Arb
4.5
Arb 1
4.4
Arb 2
4.1
Arb 3
6 Elly De La Cruz 21 2.8
Pre-Arb
3.2
Pre-Arb
3.9
Pre-Arb
4.2
Arb 1
4.4
Arb 2
7 HM Gunnar Henderson 22 4.3
Pre-Arb
4.5
Pre-Arb
4.7
Arb 1
4.8
Arb 2
4.8
Arb 3
8 3 Fernando Tatis Jr. 24 5.5
$11.7 M
6.1
$20.7 M
6.2
$20.7 M
6.1
$25.7 M
5.8
$25.7 M
9 5 Yordan Alvarez 26 4.4
$10.8 M
4.2
$15.8 M
4.1
$26.8 M
3.8
$26.8 M
3.2
$26.8 M
10 HM Spencer Strider 24 3.7
$1.0 M
3.7
$4.0 M
3.8
$20.0 M
3.5
$22.0 M
3.3
$22.0 M
11 20 Shane McClanahan 26 4.1
Pre-Arb
3.9
Arb 1
3.7
Arb 2
3.4
Arb 3
12 37 Sean Murphy 28 4.9
$9.0 M
4.2
$15.0 M
3.9
$15.0 M
3.4
$15.0 M
2.8
$15.0 M
13 22 Austin Riley 26 4.3
$21.0 M
4.3
$22.0 M
3.8
$22.0 M
3.3
$22.0 M
2.8
$22.0 M
14 8 Luis Robert Jr. 25 3.9
$12.5 M
4.0
$15.0 M
3.8
$20.0 M
3.6
$20.0 M
15 HM Michael Harris II 22 3.9
$5.0 M
4.3
$8.0 M
4.4
$8.0 M
4.6
$9.0 M
4.3
$10.0 M
16 25 Logan Webb 26 4.5
$8.0 M
4.3
$12.0 M
4.1
$23.0 M
3.7
$23.0 M
3.5
$24.0 M
17 10 Sandy Alcantara 27 3.7
$9.3 M
3.4
$17.3 M
3.0
$17.3 M
2.6
$21.0 M
18 HM Eury Pérez 20 2.4
Pre-Arb
2.6
Pre-Arb
2.9
Pre-Arb
3.0
Arb 1
3.0
Arb 2
19 7 José Ramírez 30 5.6
$17.0 M
4.9
$19.0 M
4.0
$21.0 M
3.1
$23.0 M
2.2
$25.0 M
20 21 Bo Bichette 25 3.8
$12.1 M
4.0
$17.6 M
21 17 Will Smith 28 5.0
Arb 2
4.7
Arb 3
22 28 Framber Valdez 29 4.0
Arb 2
3.5
Arb 3
23 HM Francisco Alvarez 21 3.5
Pre-Arb
4.2
Pre-Arb
4.7
Arb 1
5.0
Arb 2
5.3
Arb 3
24 45 Zac Gallen 27 3.8
Arb 2
3.5
Arb 3
25 26 Shohei Ohtani 28
26 HM George Kirby 25 3.1
Pre-Arb
3.1
Pre-Arb
3.1
Arb 1
3.0
Arb 2
2.8
Arb 3
27 Anthony Volpe 22 3.0
Pre-Arb
3.6
Pre-Arb
3.9
Arb 1
4.2
Arb 2
4.1
Arb 3
28 Matt McLain 23 3.7
Pre-Arb
4.1
Pre-Arb
4.3
Pre-Arb
4.4
Arb 1
4.1
Arb 2
29 6 Juan Soto 24 6.5
Arb 3
30 11 Kyle Tucker 26 3.8
Arb 2
3.8
Arb 3
31 16 Ozzie Albies 26 4.2
$7.0 M
4.0
$7.0 M
3.7
$7.0 M
3.5
$7.0 M
32 Luis Castillo 30 4.2
$24.1 M
3.8
$24.1 M
3.3
$24.1 M
2.8
$24.1 M
2.3
$25.0 M
33 HM Logan Gilbert 26 3.3
Pre-Arb
3.1
Arb 1
2.9
Arb 2
2.6
Arb 3
34 50 Randy Arozarena 28 3.5
Arb 2
3.2
Arb 3
2.7
Arb 4
35 9 Vladimir Guerrero Jr. 24 3.0
Arb 2
3.3
Arb 3
36 14 Bobby Witt Jr. 23 3.2
Pre-Arb
3.5
Arb 1
3.6
Arb 2
3.7
Arb 3
37 18 Jeremy Peña 25 2.7
Pre-Arb
2.8
Arb 1
2.7
Arb 2
2.5
Arb 3
38 Zach Neto 22 1.6
Pre-Arb
1.8
Pre-Arb
1.9
Pre-Arb
2.1
Arb 1
2.2
Arb 2
39 27 Alejandro Kirk 24 3.1
Arb 1
3.1
Arb 2
3.1
Arb 3
40 Hunter Brown 24 2.3
Pre-Arb
2.3
Pre-Arb
2.3
Arb 1
2.2
Arb 2
2.2
Arb 3
41 HM Hunter Greene 23 2.5
$3.3 M
2.6
$6.3 M
2.7
$8.3 M
2.8
$15.3 M
2.7
$16.3 M
42 38 Oneil Cruz 24 2.1
Pre-Arb
2.4
Pre-Arb
2.6
Arb 1
2.9
Arb 2
2.5
Arb 3
43 HM Jordan Walker 21 0.3
Pre-Arb
0.5
Pre-Arb
0.6
Arb 1
0.7
Arb 2
0.8
Arb 3
44 33 Cedric Mullins 28 3.4
Arb 2
2.9
Arb 3
45 Joe Ryan 27 2.4
Pre-Arb
2.2
Arb 1
1.9
Arb 2
1.6
Arb 3
46 Spencer Steer 25 2.1
Pre-Arb
2.1
Pre-Arb
2.0
Arb 1
1.9
Arb 2
1.8
Arb 3
47 Lars Nootbaar 25 2.3
Pre-Arb
2.5
Arb 1
2.5
Arb 2
2.2
Arb 3
48 15 Ke’Bryan Hayes 26 2.5
$7.0 M
2.5
$7.0 M
2.1
$7.0 M
2.0
$7.0 M
1.7
$8.0 M
49 Josh Jung 25 2.6
Pre-Arb
2.6
Pre-Arb
2.6
Arb 1
2.4
Arb 2
2.2
Arb 3
50 James Wood 20 0.9
Pre-Arb
1.4
Pre-Arb
1.9
Pre-Arb
2.3
Arb 1
2.7
Arb 2
Pre-Arb
Arb
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jbgocubsMember since 2025
2 years ago

it took corbin carrol (OF – DBacks) 5 days to show up? feel like there’s a lot of value there, a day one type of guy for me. did Goldstein right this?

Tyler Norton
2 years ago
Reply to  jbgocubs

Gotta be tough with only two brain cells to rub together. Stay safe out there.

Sleepy
2 years ago
Reply to  Tyler Norton

It’s a bit.

A bad bit, sure, but it’s a bit.

OddBall Herrera
2 years ago

Still not there with Gunnar and his god awful platoon splits, that were there in the minors too . I don’t think you can properly value him without acknowledging that for most teams, their best lineup against a lefty will include him on the bench

KvnMember since 2026
2 years ago

Gunnar Henderson has a better wrc+ this year vs. lefties than Corbin Carroll.

RolDerMember since 2026
2 years ago
Reply to  Kvn

Carroll vs LH Starter: 93PA – .358/.435/.630
Henderson vs LH Starter: 88PA – .243/.386/.371

I’d still start Carroll vs LHP over Henderson.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago

I think there is a fairly large gap between the first five on this list and the rest. You could reorder it so he is a bit lower. But I think it’s hard to stick Gunnar any further down than 12. He’s 22 and he’s a four win player even with that issue and he’s getting paid nothing.

dkdc
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Acuna is in a different stratosphere given the value/contract and Franco/Julio/Carroll are better players who are controlled for much longer, but I think you could make an argument for Gunnar over Rutschman.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  dkdc

Based on team control, I think that might be an interesting argument. But I feel very, very confident in Rutschman.

GameOfJabronis
2 years ago
Reply to  dkdc

In what universe are Franco/Julio/Carroll better players than Acuna? Acuna is the best player (at minimum this year) in baseball not named Ohtani.

grandequeso
2 years ago

He hasn’t been great against lefties but on the season he does have a .364 OBP against and in a very small sample he’s been crushing them since June.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago

Elly De La Cruz is 15 spots too high and Bobby Witt is 15 spots too low. I know the arguments. De La Cruz is younger, has another year (maybe more) of team control, and has more raw power. I don’t care. Witt is a no doubt shortstop and while they are putting up similar lines right now Witt’s batted ball numbers are way, way better than Cruz. Like, the difference between an 125 wRC+ and an 85. I just can’t help but think that there’s some prospect fatigue that lead people to dismiss Witt and that as awesome as the highlight reels for De La Cruz are that people are a bit too credulous about what that means about his eventual outcome.

jacksonv123
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I love Elly but I 100% agree, could say the same for Henderson. Feel like the ‘shiny new toy’ effect is evident here.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  jacksonv123

Henderson turned 22 three weeks ago, is en route to a 4 win season while flipping between two positions, and everything says it’s earned.

v2miccaMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  jacksonv123

Remember, these are trade value charts, which do rely on elements that are susceptible to the ‘shiney new toy’ effect. Trade value is primarily, but not exclusively what the player provides on the field for his contract. But there us also the element of excitement and intrigue he brings that helps front offices sell tickets. While, Witt might project as a better player than Cruz over the next 3 years, due to the prospect fatigue, he doesn’t have the same excitement factor for mainstream audiences that can be converted into value.

Last edited 2 years ago by v2micca
OtterMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yeah Elly is too high considering his swing and miss and just fine MLB production thus far. He’s probably a top 20 guy imo, but not top 10.

DLHughey
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

15? I’d say he doesn’t belong on the list beyond an HM. Guys who spend their time in the minors with a 30% K rate are very high bust risks. Not “6th most valuable guy in baseball.”

This is all recency bias with the highlights (he’s fun!) and is detached from his actual statistical output, let alone his SSS majors fueled entirely by a .390 BABIP.

I’m bored of the “Jackson Holliday is more valuable than x,” but Jackson Holliday is more valuable than Elly. Holliday is probably at the right spot, maybe you can justify a 40-50 ranking. Elly at 6 is absolutely bonkers.

OtterMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  DLHughey

I agree Elly is too high, but he’s 21 holding his own at shortstop in the majors with talent that’s basically unheard of at that position. His swing and miss tendences put risk on him, but its likely he’ll cut that down a bit (we’ve see plenty of talent players do exactly this) and that solves a lot of problems.

The issue from a trade value perspective is no few teams trying to win in 2023 would trade for Elly, which lowers his trade value. If you’re, say, the Dodgers, you’d probably want someone with a bit more value/production at SS in 2023 than Elly.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  DLHughey

I agree with your premises and not your conclusion. I think sticking him somewhere after 20 is justifiable and would likely rank him higher than 35. I don’t think he is going to bust completely anymore, although it is certainly possible. I do think it is likely that people are going to feel really silly in the (likely, IMO) scenario where he establishes himself as Joey Gallo and not some perennial 40/40 threat at shortstop.

3cardmontyMember since 2025
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Even shortstop Joey Gallo sounds absurdly valuable tho…

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  3cardmonty

I don’t recall saying that he was necessarily going to be a shortstop.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Well said.

I also can’t quite grok Spencer Strider making the Top 10 while Justin Steele doesn’t make the cut.

Strider’s obviously both younger and better…but Steele is awesome.

markakis21
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Bobby Witt honestly is surprising to even see on the list. He certainly isn’t too low.

slz
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

15 sounds about right, my reaction to seeing him was “Best I can do is right around Francisco Alvarez, maybe a spot or two ahead because catcher”

Witt is fine where he is. He only looks odd because basically every other pre-free agency shortstop in MLB* is overvalued by 15 spots, especially Volpe who wouldnt be and shouldnt be a HM if he was a Royal.

*If the Orioles called up Jackson and he couldn’t hit for 2 months, would he be a Top 20 value this offseason?

Jasper FranciscoMember since 2017
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

De La Cruz is a switch hitter with 50/50 potential. Even if he has to move to 3B, that’s a GM’s wet dream. The whole point of this exercise is that one of the 30 GMs would probably give up more to get him than they would to get Witt Jr, or at least that’s what the author concludes based on research and discussions with other analysts and front office folks.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago

That may be correct in the sense that is what GMs would do–at least some GMs. Also, a lot of people buy extremely expensive cars and drive them through New York City where driving is both stressful and hard on the car and I wouldn’t have made that decision either.

Last edited 2 years ago by sadtrombone
Jason BMember since 2017
2 years ago

Huge potential? Sure. 50/50?! Let’s pump the brakes…

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

It just occurred to me that people born after 1995 probably have no idea what pumping the brakes actually refers to. I drove a car without anti lock brakes until 2008 but I’m pretty sure they were standard in new cars several years prior. Maybe many, many years prior.

jfree
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I remember when ABS first came out, a car salesman tried to convince me it had no value because ‘it won’t be used that much ‘.
Alrighty then!

ascheffMember since 2017
2 years ago

Saying a guy on pace for ~25 homers in a full season who never hit more than 28 in the minors has 50/50 potential seems like a huge stretch. He obviously has the raw power tool to hit 50 homers, but that is a far cry from having 50 homer game power potential.

Nomar Mazara had ridiculous raw power too (and owns the longest homer hit in the majors in the statcast era), but he never broke 20 in a season. Elly hits a ton of grounders and strikes out a lot, which is a worrisome combo.

gerritcoleenjoyer
2 years ago

I hope ‘Cool’ Lester Smooth is having a better day today…

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago

Ah, I’m 5+ hours ahead of y’all.

Guinness and commenting are not always best friends.

Jason BMember since 2017
2 years ago

“Want a beer?”

“It’s 7 in the morning.”

“….scotch?”

–Mr. Mom

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

And hey – I’ve got a fan!

Some lad’s downvoting crazy controversial stuff like “A top prospect ‘only’ becoming a 5 win player is a great outcome” and “Mike Cameron would have had a shot at the Hall if he’d played a few more years.”

Wish he’d just ask me out instead of pulling my pigtails!

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago

I don’t see any way you could argue Acuna is anything other than #1. He is more #1 than almost anyone I have seen. Past versions of Acuna and Mike Trout are the only cases I can think of that are more emphatic than this. He is the best position player in the game and he is making something like Kyle Schwarber money for the next four years.

I wouldn’t even put Franco over Carroll (although I would put Rodríguez behind both, he’s about the same as Rutschman for me).

Last edited 2 years ago by sadtrombone
kingharbaughMember since 2021
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Julio is signed for 18 years (if the team wants) at a bargain price. He is 22, has really good “under the hood” metrics with obvious places for growth, and is a top 3 fielding outfielder in baseball. He is insanely, insanely valuable. 3rd is probably just about right. It might even be just a touch low.

darren
2 years ago
Reply to  kingharbaugh

Good point. All of Rodriguez, Franco, and Acuna are bargains for the next 5 years, signed for fairly similar money, and Acuna being slightly better than the other two. But after that, Acuna is a 30-year-old FA, Franco is 28 and signed for 5/$125 mil (incl 1 option), and Rodriguez is 28 and the team has the 10 year option (or something) or if they decline he can opt in to 5/90.

I’d give the edge to Franco, maybe? He’s in the sweet spot of having more controlled years but not too many.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  darren

I’d just point out that Acuna isn’t “slightly” better than the other two.

He’s in a different category.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  kingharbaugh

I thought I might be the biggest Julio fan on the planet but I guess not! He and Wander are close for me, but to me Carroll is like if Julio had Wander Franco’s contract.

MatthewMember since 2019
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yeah but would the Orioles trade Jackson Holliday for Acuna??!?! Doubt it!

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

At the risk of being flamed once more…I’d even say that Acuna did a great job of threading the needle.

Trout signed for $144m through Age 29, after Y2.

After Y1, Acuna signed a deal that guarantees him $100m through Age 28, and lets the Braves keep him through Age 30 for $134m.

If Acuna keeps doing his thing, he’ll make fucking bank in FA…and/or on a pre-FA extension like Trout took.

rosen380
2 years ago

Granted in the “keeps doing his thing” scenario, he’d make even more. Purposely making less is the “stops doing his thing” insurance 🙂

PC1970Member since 2024
2 years ago

I think the only thing I would nitpick here is I would probably put Carroll over J-Rod..Maybe Gunnar over Elly & possibly over Rutschman, depending how much the extra year of control & “catcher PT penalty” you want to put weight on.

Overall, good list & thanks for doing this! Lots of work & great content. No one is going to agree with every pick (Looking at you, Spencer Steer & Ke’Bryan Hayes!), but, that’s the beauty of an exercise like this.

Last edited 2 years ago by PC1970
travis0548Member since 2016
2 years ago

For the life of me I will never understand how someone owed $300m+ could wind up near the top of this list.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  travis0548

Someone who has missed significant time to injury and PED suspensions too. I think there is an argument for him being near the top 10 of this list because he is young and he produces. But he has more money left on his contract than all but about 3 other players and is one of the (maybe the only one) players on this list where a third of the teams would balk at the money for almost any player.

dangledangleMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Injury history plus PED suspension and then off field issues, and no longer playing Short. That contract is a huge risk. As it stands the contract is OK. Without those issues the contract would be great. But at this point a comp with Buxton’s is probably warranted based on time missed.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  travis0548

…inflation means it’s not that much money? Me neither

tomerafan
2 years ago
Reply to  travis0548

Agreed. Albies is way more valuable than Tatis as a trade piece, even though Tatis is projected for more WAR. There’s only one Mets, where payroll doesn’t matter. For the rest of the league, dollars committed to one roster spot matter.

soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  tomerafan

After this year, I bet payroll is going to matter for the Mets too.

Spending without limits is only fun if you’re winning.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  travis0548

I guess in the same way that Alex Rodriguez’s Rangers contract and Barry Bonds 1993 Giants contract would have or should have ranked highly. One would have to believe Tatis is an all time great and prioritize winning more than surplus value, or maybe calculate surplus value relative to WAA. The conventional surplus value calculation and prioritization wouldn’t do it. Or if one believes him to be a 5 WAR player rather than 7 it wouldn’t be enough

jacksonv123
2 years ago

This is the first part of the list I’ve really had any issue with. Yordan with the injury history and very likely DH only future feels way too high. He’s a great hitter (maybe the best). I just cant justify having him this far ahead of Luis Robert, 5 tool player at premium position. Also give me Carroll over J-Rod all day.

baubo
2 years ago
Reply to  jacksonv123

I mean if you’re going to count injuries against Yordan, then why would you not do the same with Robert? He’s played in fewer games since coming up compared to Yordan in those same 4 seasons.

And yeah Robert is a 5-tool player but the discrepancy between him and Yordan at hitting is huge. 128 wRC+ vs 164 wRC+. Even WAR, which basically discount DHs, has Yordan at 12.7 WAR vs 10.8 WAR during the period which Robert played in the majors. I can understand if people want to drop Yordan lower due to his risk, but I would still not see why anyone would take Robert over him.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  baubo

Robert’s listed as a year younger! Just don’t check their actual birthdays!

jacksonv123
2 years ago
Reply to  baubo

Robert’s injuries are more miscellaneous and minor in nature not recurring joint issues.

LCPC
2 years ago

I feel like I’m being gaslight on Wander Franco. He’s hitting under .230 since May with an under .300 OBP. He’s on pace to hit about 17 HR with an OPS under .800. In fact, he’s had about 3 good months in the majors with a whole lot of average and below average the last 3 years. I get it, he’s a bargain but when does the performance need to match the hype?

Last edited 2 years ago by LCPC
sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  LCPC

I certainly don’t understand how anyone could pick him over Carroll. To me you could make an argument for him anywhere from 3-10 but not higher or lower than that. I would pick him at the higher end of that range because he’s a good defensive shortstop who is hitting well now (although not elite) who is signed for reasonable money and has more upside offensively but I can see the arguments to bump him lower than 3.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yep – it does seem increasingly likely that he’s “just” a good, 5-6 win player, absent a Mookie/JRam level power breakout.

Analysts really shouldn’t ever bank on a prospect to hit .300 in the majors as their “median” outcome.

LCPC
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I’ve watched Wander take just about every at bat in his career, and I just don’t see it.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  LCPC

And there’s no shame in an elite prospect “Just” turning out to be a Top 25 type of player, rather than a Top 5-10 guy.

68FCMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  LCPC

I think you need to recalibrate what you think average is. He’s currently 7th among position players in fWAR and 5th in bWAR. Even if you want to discount all the metrics that say he’s the best defensive shortstop in baseball, he’s still definitely sticking at SS. He’s run a 120 wRC+ over 1,000 MLB PA and is 6 months younger than Corbin Carroll.

He’s definitely a streaky hitter, but lots of guys are and there has been more hot streaks than cold one. Also, FWIW, he’s had 5 months with a wRC+ over 140 out of the 10 months he’s had in his career with over 50 PA.

LCPC
2 years ago
Reply to  68FC

there has been more hot streaks than cold one’ FFS, I’m so sick of people like you who don’t watch baseball. That statement is absolutely absurd

68FCMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  LCPC

I’m open to new information to disprove that, but just because he’s in a slump right now, it doesn’t mean he’s always in a slump. He hasn’t gotten to a 120 career wRC+ by being a below average hitter.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  LCPC

There are only something like 5 players who don’t have slumps. For everyone else, the hot streaks really do balance with the slumps!

Jason BMember since 2017
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

There are only something like 5 players who don’t have slumps”

Must be those .667 hitters

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Just for the sake of discussion – which 5?

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

Freddie Freeman was my first guess, and it is indeed pretty dang tough to find any nits to pick there.

Last edited 2 years ago by cowdisciple
sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

wasn’t there an article about streakiness article on here a while back and almost all the players who weren’t streaky were just guys who were bad hitters all the time? Except for something like 3-5 players?

TerryMc
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

“there has been more hot streaks than cold ones” as a statement works fine for me. If we change the word “streak” to mean something like “days when the players body felt great and they weren’t suffering from some sort of ache and pain” then maybe it would sound less mystical, but the overall gist of the statement is sound.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

Historically Pete Alonso and DJ Lemahieu were very consistent. I don’t know if that’s still true.

Jason BMember since 2017
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Looking at Lemahieu’s wRC+ over time – I would venture a “definitely not”

bloopity
2 years ago
Reply to  LCPC

It takes while to walk back the first ever 80 FV awarded, that’s all.

LCPC
2 years ago
Reply to  bloopity

This is the only honest statement in this thread

tootblan
2 years ago

I don’t want to sound like a hater but I just can’t believe Elly is this high. Look, I get it, 80 speed and power on a possible shortstop is almost unprecedented, but aside from some amazing highlights the production so far is not great, and there are so many red flags. He belongs on this list somewhere with his spectacular ceiling but I cannot believe he is higher than several players who are much more likely to perform like stars.

lavarnway
2 years ago
Reply to  tootblan

I agree. He’s a nice social media highlight clip, but there are a number of red flags in the statline.

68FCMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  tootblan

I struggle to see how Elly is so clearly a better bet than Oneil Cruz. They have a lot of the same upside and a lot of the same red flags. I get that Elly is faster and more charismatic, but it feels like all Oneil’s hype as giant shortstop with incredible tools just transferred to Elly when he got hurt.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  68FC

Elly got his K/BB over .5 in AAA (and was better overall as well)…and he’s actually a SS.

68FCMember since 2020
2 years ago

Oneil had pretty consistently higher BB% and lower SO% than Elly throughout the minors. I don’t think the 186 PA sample where Elly doubled his BB% should be weighted too heavily especially since it dropped right back down in the bigs.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  68FC

The main thing is that Elly’s actually an SS (and was notably better offensively than Oneil at A+, AA, and AAA)…but those leaps in plate discipline need to be weighted heavily when talking about a 21 year old kid.

That said – it definitely could have been construct of the automated strike zone in AAA!

68FCMember since 2020
2 years ago

I suppose the positional value really is the key, though admittedly I have trouble accepting that either one is going to stay at short. They just look too big out there and remind me of when they tried to make Mike Morse a shortstop to horrific results.

I think I could get more behind Elly being like 10 spots ahead of Oneil in the late 20s or early 30s a lot easier than 6th.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  68FC

I just don’t think Oneil can be on the list until we see what he looks like next year. Ankle fractures are always bad, and with a guy O’Neil’s size…

That said. I’d bump Elly back to Witt’s spot, give Witt Volpe’s, and put Volpe in the 40s.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
2 years ago

This sounds right to me too.

paulkrugman2055
2 years ago

Meh. 1 is awesome. 2 and 3 are horrible.
Guys who make outs 1/3 of the time
Guys who defensive value is at it’s peak and leads to overvalued war
Wander with character issues,height issues,etc

All that risk in those contracts and barely anything on the back of that baseball card.
I could find at least 20-30 guys I wouldn’t trade for Wander. At least 10 for Rodriguez

PC1970Member since 2024
2 years ago

Damn, they have a .666 OBP (make outs 1/3 of the time) & are only 2nd & 3rd..Who is the Superman at #1!

kylesch87
2 years ago
Reply to  PC1970

Barry Bonds but without a bat.

Jason BMember since 2017
2 years ago

Guys who make outs 1/3 of the time”

I mean these guys getting on base 2/3 of the time are just incredibly valuable. I don’t care what position he plays, how well he plays it, or if he plays a position. I want that guy in my lineup all day every day.

dangledangleMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

Quick grab that dude before anyone else realizes!

Jason BMember since 2017
2 years ago
Reply to  dangledangle

*SOFTBALL GUY HAS ENTERED THE CHAT*

OtterMember since 2016
2 years ago

The downside risk of Tatis is so huge that it’s hard for me to have him this high.

Jeff in JerseyMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Otter

Agreed. As a Mets fan, I wouldn’t trade Francisco Alvarez (ranked #26, if I recall correctly) for Tatis, even with Cohen’s money.

JupiterBrandoMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Jeff in Jersey

i am a Mets fan and i would drive Alvarez to San Francisco myself

Pachoo9Member since 2021
2 years ago
Reply to  JupiterBrando

San Francisco?

kylesch87
2 years ago
Reply to  Pachoo9

Yeah, he can hitchhike the rest of the way.

theflusher
2 years ago
Reply to  Jeff in Jersey

Lmfaaaaoooooooooo

dukewinslowMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Otter

Given the Braves can afford it I wonder if they’d trade Albies for Tatis.

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JupiterBrandoMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

this would be interesting if the Braves had actually shown any interest in spending money on free agents; you’d think they’d have used the money they saved signing players to all those “we know where your family sleeps” contracts you’d think they’d pounce on the chance to get some short term, high AAV deals. it’s why deGrom signing with them this year actually seemed possible.

instead, they’ve mostly given out one year deals to guys who aren’t going to accept An Offer They Can’t Refuse. they’re unusually insular and frugal, and i don’t really think being publicly owned has anything to do with it either.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  JupiterBrando

I would love to know how Murphy and Olson fit into your mental model here, given those aren’t cheap deals but are totally reasonable. I think their strategy is quite good- it’s pretty obvious massive free agent deals with a ton of dead money are more likely than not a bad bet, and the only one they’ve come near was the reported offer to Freeman. I am curious if San Diego decides to deal with anyone, if they’d be forced to eat money on a Tatis deal.

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jreyn24Member since 2025
2 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

Murphy’s deal isn’t cheap? You can basically count on your hands the number of players in all of MLB with more fWAR than him since the start of last season and he’s locked into a $12.2M AAV deal! Nearly impossible to find a cheaper deal than that, as this list shows.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  JupiterBrando

Definitely the most frugal $200m+ payroll around!

Of course they got there by guaranteeing $541m between 2024 and 2029. Is that frugal? Sign my team up.

Dmjn53
2 years ago
Reply to  JupiterBrando

with the way they develop tale free agency isn’t a risk they have to take.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  Otter

How is it “huge”? I’m guessing his 20th percentile is 30 WAR over the life of the deal or something like that. 2.5 WAR per year. That would be around $12m/WAR. It isn’t a catastrophe

OtterMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

If he gets popped for PEDs again San Diego loses him for an entire season and it becomes very very hard, if not impossible, to trade him. And that’s before we factor in ‘normal’ downside risks like injuries or decline in play.

synco
2 years ago

After all my ranting about Albies, my final conclusion is that he should be #8 or #9. He has better WAR projections than Strider, and is cheaper, and is not a pitcher, so he should go above him; Yordan’s WAR projections are a bit better, but he’s way more expensive. Elly should be bumped lower – he’s obviously super thrilling, but highlight reels don’t win ballgames. He may get there, but not ready to make him the #6 most valuable asset in baseball yet.

After those guys we get into dudes who are unequivocally better than Albies and/or are pre-arb, so even if they’re way more expensive it’s worth it.

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TimBrownUMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  synco

Based on what Dan said yesterday, projections for top pitchers like Strider already bake in a ton of injury risk. So Albies not being a pitcher and him being projected for more WAR go hand in hand. Conditional on full health, I assume Strider would be projected for more WAR, potentially a good bit more.

All that being said, I agree Ozzie should be far higher and Strider a bit lower.

synco
2 years ago
Reply to  TimBrownU

Strider is massively electric. He also strikes me as a guy who may never top 180 IP in a season. But yeah, obvious stud. I wouldn’t drop him too far, just think Albies goes above.

OtterMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  synco

Can’t think of this in only terms of WAR. Albies offers a slightly above average bat and glove and good to great baserunning. Teams usually don’t pay for baserunning (if they do it’s marginal), usually underpay for a glove unless its elite, but do pay for hitting. Yes he’s getting paid peanuts to be a solid to above average second baseman, but his skill set isn’t typically what we see teams pay a lot of money for (in FA or trades).

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  synco

I like where Strider is. I don’t know that you could put many pitchers higher than this but he might be the pitcher I trust the most to dominate over the next 5 years. The vast majority of teams would sign him for triple the money if he was a free agent and I can think of about 8 immediately that would do quadruple.

synco
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Strider can stay at #10 as he is. My ordering would be that Elly drops to the 20s or 30s, Yordan is still #9, Albies is #8.

tomerafan
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

But it comes back to the contract and the relative value. I don’t see any scenario where Strider ranks higher than McClanahan, even if it is only one spot. Strider is owed $69M guaranteed. McClanahan has one less year of team control, but zero guaranteed money.

It still doesn’t feel to me like the contracts are weighted appropriately.

Shalesh
2 years ago
Reply to  tomerafan

I think you’re weighing guaranteed money too much — way too much. Strider is under control for the next 6 seasons, the next 3 for $25M total. McClanahan is under control for the next three, his Arb1/2/3 years in which he’ll make more than $25M.

Teams trade for talent + years of control. The money can be mitigated or is a lower priority for 40% of the league.

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tomerafan
2 years ago
Reply to  Shalesh

I agree that teams trade for talent + years of control *at reasonable cost*. But in any trade, the guaranteed dollars are absolutely considered. It is unlikely that McClanahan’s arb years wind up at a substantially higher salary than Strider’s contract values (in my opinion). Strider has one more year of control, and his arb years were bought out at a total of $64M.

But Strider’s money is guaranteed, regardless of health or future performance. McClanahan’s is not. And teams absolutely factor that guaranteed payday in trades, especially for pitchers.

Now, maybe I am indeed weighing it too much. But what I am saying is that when two players profile as similarly as Strider and McClanahan, then I can’t believe the player with one more year of control is worth more than the player who doesn’t carry the $69M guarantee.

Shalesh
2 years ago
Reply to  tomerafan

Let’s split the difference at 2 more years of control for Strider since he’s signed through 2028 and Atlanta has a team option for 2029. TBR still has 4 more years of McClanahan, so that’s my error.

kid
2 years ago

I am concerned about Wander’s bat to a moderate degree (with Julio’s bat not too far behind). To be clear, I understand that a career 121 wRC+ at age 22 is impressive, however I expected him to be an annual batting title contender, and instead he’s a career .279 hitter. His 120 wRC+ in 2023 is nice, but he was a 154 wRC+ hitter through April (due to a temporary boost in average LA), with his wRC+ declining in subsequent months (122, 101, 79) as his LA returned to career norms. His FB rate has been dropping each season – 34%, 31%, 29% – which is a concerning trend. It’s not all negative, though; he’s bumped up his HR/FB rate this year – 12% vs. 9% career – and he’s barreling a bit more. But really, he needs to figure out how to start driving/lifting the ball.

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bookbookMember since 2024
2 years ago
Reply to  kid

Julio’s offensive struggles have been surprising. He’s second guessing himself and not driving the ball in the air like he did so naturally last year. They need to put him in the 6 or 7-hole and leave him there for the rest of the season. It’s hard not to think that he’ll be a top-ten bat in the majors again by next year, however.

68FCMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  kid

He’s been pretty streaky so far in his career and he has had top 6% xBA the last two seasons.

It feels like people are starting to write off Wander because he has been in the bigs for longer than the other young stars. He’s 6 months older than Elly and 6 months younger than Carroll and 2 months younger than Julio. He came up young and has been good and still could grow into more power.

Through age 24, Betts had a 122 wRC+, through age 22 Freeman had a 116 wRC+, through age 23 Jose Ramirez had a 98 wRC+. The instant success of guys like Soto, Tatis, and Acuna kinda made us forget that it often takes a few years for these guys who come up super young to realize their potential.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  68FC

It would be interesting to see a historical analysis of wRC+ through age 22, relative to 23-30.

That said…it’s not like Franco’s power is that far off expectations.

People just thought he’d be hitting .320 rather than .280!

Anyway….it seems a bit ridiculous that we’re all handwringing about the fact that Franco might “just” be Barry Larkin, rather than A-Rod.

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68FCMember since 2020
2 years ago

I’d love to see an analysis like that because we tend to make declarations based on a handful of results and just ignore anything that doesn’t fit our conclusion (myself included). Getting more comprehensive data would help to shape expectations.

It takes a long time for our instincts on what a good BA is to adjust to the changing league environment too. His xBA this year is 18th in baseball at .289. Obviously he’s underperforming that, but his hitting under .300 doesn’t look as harsh when you remember that there are only about ten players who hit over .300 in any given year now. 20 years ago, there were 40 qualified hitters over .300.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago

Lukewarm taek:

Beyond prospect hype…how much of a gap is there, really, between Harris and Julio?

They’re the same age, have roughly the same wRC+ and xwOBA…and Harris is actually ahead in WAR/650, to date.

Hell – even some of the gap in prospect hype is down to Harris graduating in his breakout season.

OtterMember since 2016
2 years ago

This year, not much but Julio’s track record in the minors was much better and he was better than Harris last year. I don’t think anyone is wrong in thinking that Julio still has a higher ceiling than Harris and more likely to reach it.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Otter

I definitely expect Julio to be better (they have roughly the same xwOBA, but that’s a 10 point gap in wRC+ given their run environments), but I’d rate the difference at something like that between Carlos Beltran and Mike Cameron.

…and if Cameron had become a regular at 21, he would have had a punchers shot at the Hall.

synco
2 years ago

Agree with this. Harris is the only dude from the 11-20 list I felt was ranked too low. The performance is right there, and he’s insanely cheap.

kid
2 years ago

Read this, thought about it for 10 seconds, and mostly agree. The difference at a 30K foot view is that Julio theoretically has access to 70-grade power that Harris does not. But again, that’s “on paper”, and both men have nearly identical HR/FB rates thus far in 2023. So if Harris’ lesser-regarded power continues to play up, and Julio’s doesn’t… yeah.

68FCMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  kid

Yeah the difference is mostly that Julio hits the ball a LOT harder, but so far it has played fairly similarly in game.

slz
2 years ago

I have been saying this since last year. All things equal, I would rather have Julio. The physical profile and pedigree do matter and tip the scales his way, despite their major league performance being nearly identical at the same age (Julio’s additional playing time could be good or bad depending on your perspective).

However, not all things are equal. Julio has the frankenstein contract while Harris hits your cap for $9 mil for 8 years, then another 2 if you want them. If you think Julio is a first ballot HOF, you might prefer the 18 year deal even with its price tag? But we’re 1000 PAs in and he’s looking more very good to great than generational.

Harris still has Trea Turner in CF potential as his ceiling too, and you get out of his deal at just the right time if his career arc follows Turner’s exactly.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  slz

And if Harris stays awesome (or improves!) they have leverage to get him on, say, a 27-33 extension where they rip up his last few years.

OTMHeartBBCMember since 2025
2 years ago

elly “9-9 wrc” cruz

Jason BMember since 2017
2 years ago
Reply to  OTMHeartBBC

That’s a lot to put on a jersey. Between that and “Encarnacion-Strand” the Reds’ seamstress will be putting in some overtime.

Jeff in JerseyMember since 2020
2 years ago

This list sorta proves one key point–lock up your best young players.

booondMember since 2019
2 years ago

De La Cruz is high because people see him do something crazy and then ignore the overall production. They are smitten.

Jason BMember since 2017
2 years ago
Reply to  booond

He stole home!!!!!1!!1!!!one!

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

And hit for the cycle!!!

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  booond

Bo Jackson was sort of like that. He did things no one else could, but his career numbers weren’t anything special

68FCMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

With Bo Jackson there was the “if he’s this good playing two sports, imagine if he was player baseball full time” effect too

curt schillings ketchup bottle
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

And people think he was a good outfielder because ran on a wall like Neo in the ASG

68FCMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  booond

There is also the SSS effect and when this article finally got published. The list was probably finalized during the all-star break, so at that point Elly had a 132 wRC+ and it felt like the production matched the hype. Between then and now, he’s had about as bad of a slump as possible and because the sample is so small, it has had a huge impact on his overall line.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  68FC

Which is why you don’t overreact to small sample sizes, especially when the batted ball data doesn’t back it up.

slz
2 years ago

Since baseballtradevalues is more or less maintaining this same exercise, I figured I’d cross-reference their current Top 10 by median surplus value:

  1. Strider 299.1
  2. Wander Franco 263.2
  3. Acuna 245.2
  4. Logan Webb 157.8
  5. Julio 156.2
  6. Tatis 151.1
  7. De La Cruz 111.5
  8. Luis Robert 109.8
  9. Michael Harris 104.9
  10. Shane McClanahan 101.7

Coincidentally, that’s everyone above 100 surplus value. George Kirby is next at 94.6.

Highest player that is not on the Fangraphs list is Mookie Betts (#15) with 90.8. I collected every player above 30 surplus value which gave me 140 players. Luis Castillo (#137) and Matt McLain (#139) barely made the cut.

Austin Riley was the highest player on the FG list to not make the cut. He came in at 25.2, which I’d estimate puts him around #150-175. IMO FG rated him too highly but I don’t think I’d trade him for Matt Brash (#138).

Five other players on FG’s list did not make the cut. Ke’Brayan Hayes has a -0.5 surplus value on bbtv. Oneil Cruz clocked in at 28.2, Alejando Kirk at 26.5 and Spencer Steer at 21.8. BBTV is also not a Vlad Jr believer, putting him at only 16.5 surplus value.

Jesus Luzardo (#18, +84.4) is the top pitcher not on Fangraphs followed by Gausman (#27). Their top prospect is Jackson Chourio (#28) with a 71.1 value. Holliday (#32) and Wood (#34) follow.

Their worst contract in baseball is Machado at -130, followed by Kris Bryant’s -124.7 and Strasburg’s -119.5.

Overall, I think I prefer bbtv’s more balanced valuation of pitchers even if they come with higher risk. Their evaluations of minor leaguers and recently promoted prospects seems a bit arbitrary and at times slow to adjust, however. Corbin Carroll is at just #22 with a 78.1 surplus value, for instance. I don’t think even Jackson Chourio’s family believes Carroll would go for Chourio and a couple relievers.

They also placed Ohtani #74 at +44.3. I think FG is more accurate here, as I really doubt the Angels would trade him for CJ Abrams (#69) or Brett Baty (#70).

nullstellensatz
2 years ago
Reply to  slz

Betts and Gausman were listed in the honorable mention section asGreat Players With Big Contracts”. Still shocked that Luzardo was not even mentioned. Also, Emmanuel Clase (#36) is the top relief pitcher not on Fangraphs followed by Andres Munoz (#55).

slz
2 years ago

I had Munoz at 56 but splitting hairs. Bednar at 120 is who I’d target if I was team looking for a RP right now.

Disagree on Gausman (22m/yr) and Betts (25.5) being “big contracts” when Riley is #13 at 21.2. In fairness, believe Ben mentioned he had Betts on his initial list.

soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  slz

Appreciate you pulling this.

It’s interesting, but I have to say the huge values for the young guys with the mega contracts just doesn’t feel right to me. It just seems like the attrition/bust/whatever rate should be higher.

slz
2 years ago

I think that site needs a few more years to settle on proper valuations for these outlier deals and how to properly judge young players. They may also be a bit overcooked on pitchers even if I’d lean more their direction than FG’s (you need someone to pitch in the playoffs)

They do seem to have factored in attrition at Catcher, at least. Rutschman is the first one at #14, Murphy is all the way down at 26 barely above Alvarez at 29. IMO the value of an elite C is much higher than that but it’s so tough to judge with game calling still pretty intangible

OtterMember since 2016
2 years ago

Changing the subject somewhat… but who falls off the list next year? We saw 21 names fall off between 2022 and 2023, however most were on the back half of the list (17 of the 21). The four that fell off and were on the top half Betts (I guess a year older?), Burnes (only 1.5 years of team control left), Manoah (huge performance dip, yips?), Buxton (now a DH who can’t get on base). 

Leaving injury aside, who in the top half this year falls off next year’s list?

I think four a pretty easy: Bichette (20), Will Smith (21), Valdez (22), Gallen (24), in all four cases they’ll only have 1.5 control left and it’s unlikely their performance will become such that they’ll remain.

Ohtani (25) — This will entirely depend on what his contract is. I think it’s possible he stays on the list though.

Alcantara (17) — he’d have to regress some more from even this year, so unlikely but noting.

Tatis (8) — I’m surprised he’s as high as he is tbh. If he’s popped again for PEDs, he probably falls off the list entirely as you loose him for a whole year and now he’s one test away from joining Pete Rose on the autograph circuit.

I think for everyone else in the top half, it’d require a Manoah or Buxton like situation for them to fall off. Considering what he’s owed, I could maybe see Julio Rodriguez falling but things would have to be probably even worse than they are right not at the plate for that to occur, so once again, highly unlikely. 

dukewinslowMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Otter

Ok so, say none of that happens but they do move Tatis to 2nd or even right field. Should he still drop off? I think yes but it’s not a very strong opinion.

68FCMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

You do realize that Tatis has already been moved to RF and so far looks like a GG candidate there?

dukewinslowMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  68FC

In all seriousness, with that contract, if he’s totally a right fielder now he shouldn’t be on the list.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  dukewinslow

Chaim Bloom burner account?

68FCMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Otter

The structure of the Julio contract prevents it from really becoming an albatross as long as he doesn’t completely collapse. It’s only around $20M/year if he isn’t getting MVP votes or is a perennial all-star. If he can stay in CF and is at least a league average hitter, he will be worth the contract, even if he isn’t providing a lot of excess value.

Even in this down year he’s still in line to be a 4-4.5 WAR player with underlying batted ball data that promises more production.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  Otter

I hate to pile on, but Hayes could easily have been left off this year and he was what, #15 last year?

It isn’t that hard to see EDLC put up a full downside season of 90 wRC+. Would that drop him off?

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TerryMc
2 years ago
Reply to  Otter

By definition, Ohtani cannot be on the list next year as that would mean a team would be willing to outbid the winning team’s free agent offer and throw in a bunch of prospect capital as well. Just win the free agent sweepstakes if you value a player that much.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  TerryMc

Unless he takes a smaller deal to play for a club he likes.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Otter

Soto probably isn’t on this list next year unless he hits for a 200 wRC+ from now until this time next year.

zurzlesMember since 2018
2 years ago

“I don’t think anyone is sustainably that good of a framer anymore. Umpires just don’t miss that frequently.”

Found this interesting. Are high end FRMs lower nowadays because umpires are better? I always figured it was because FRM is league adjusted and the baseline skill level for framing throughout the league is way higher than it was during the McCann/Martin/etc years.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  zurzles

Yeah, I think that’s definitely the underlying reason…although umpires DO get better, as well!

dukewinslowMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  zurzles

Feels like a falsifiable question huh

Dmjn53
2 years ago

The “Aaron Judge with more defensive value ceiling” might be a more irresponsible comp than Ke’Bryan Hayes being a small adjustment away from being peak Josh Donaldson.

Is there a non-zero chance that Elly becomes one of the greatest sluggers of all time while simultaneously remaining quick enough to play shortstop? I guess there is! But come on, we’ve seen this kind of profile before, and the realistic ceiling is something closer to Javy Baez.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

Alex Rodriguez upside is hard to ignore though

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

A-Rod put up 12 WAR through age-21 season…and it’s only that low because of his 18 and 19 seasons.

Elly is awesome, but the 75th percentile upside seems a lot closer to the Hanley/Glaus/Grandy range than A-Rod.

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slz
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Does he actually have ARod upside? ARod put up a 159 wRC+ at age 20 with some good BABIP luck.

EDLC age 21 with good BABIP luck is at 99 wrc+ and trending down.

I feel like he’s about as likely to hit that as any random middle infielder who has been cut from his second team after 3 years of league average hitting at age 28 is to have Justin Turner upside. Which is to say it can happen but there’s 1000 other possibilities that are much more likely.

Baez is a pretty nice upside!

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  slz

He doesn’t have Alex Rodriguez upside in my opinion. I was responding to the comment that there’s a “ non-zero chance that Elly becomes one of the greatest sluggers of all time while simultaneously remaining quick enough to play shortstop? ”

Dmjn53
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Alex Rodriguez is one of the 10-15 greatest players in history. That is just not a realistic upside for any prospect

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Jason BMember since 2017
2 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

^^This. My brakes are shot from all this pumpin’

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

I think Elly De La Cruz is fascinating because there’s really no telling what he will be like once he fills out. Before he got called up I said that I thought he would be like Joey Gallo, and instead he’s been like Jonathan Villar. Aside from striking out more than one expects those guys don’t have a ton in common.

But where people are getting seriously carried away is that just because he could be an 80 runner or just because he could have 70 game power or just because he could stay at shortstop does not mean it is likely (or even plausible) that all of those things will happen at the same time. There are a lot of things that need to happen and some of them are in tension with each other.

Dmjn53
2 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

His tools mean he absolutely deserves a spot on this list, but there are just way too many “coulds” and “ifs” here to be ranked this high.

WebsMember since 2020
2 years ago

“I’ll take clear greatness and an elevated risk of missed games over run-of-the-mill availability concerns and a risk that the player might just not be that good. Have you ever heard that concern about Tatis? Of course you haven’t. ”

I heard those concerns here: https://fantasy.fangraphs.com/fernando-tatis-jr-shoulder-surgeries/

68FCMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  Webs

The fact that he’s come back after the surgery and looked really good and has hit for power has significantly assuaged those concerns. The guys who were significantly hampered by long term effects of a labrum tier never looked like themselves again. If the shoulder wasn’t coming back at full strength or close to it, the underlying batted ball data would be the warning sign. It’s pretty close to where it was pre-surgery. His exit velos are down a bit but are still excellent and his xwOBA is pretty much right where it was pre-injury.

Glengarry Glenn Braggs
2 years ago

So the Braves own the #1, 10, 12, 13, 15, and 31 properties in baseball. In the history of Fangraphs doing these lists, has there ever been a team with a stronger nucleus?

paulkrugman2055
2 years ago

Still find it hilarious how Josh Jung is ranked ahead of Riley Greene. Not 1 GM would trade a future mvp guy over 2 years younger for Troy Glaus

Jason BMember since 2017
2 years ago

I think it also bears mentioning that Bobby Higginson probably should be in the hall of fame

darren
2 years ago

If there was a list of hardest to rank on a trade value list, I suspect Tatis and Ohtani would be #1 and #2. We’ve already discussed Ohtani but Tatis has his own unique issues. The injury risk alone is scary but the PED risk compounds it. One more infraction, he loses a year, then lifetime, right?

I guess teams could figure that’s a nice safety valve if they don’t want to pay the rest of his contract at some point. Just frame him for PED use a couple times and he’s gone, no salary. 🙂

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  darren

I really think that’s something the next CBA should address. If a team gets out of paying their player due to PED use, some unscrupulous teams would probably tacitly encourage it (as they did in the past). They should have to pay the AAV of the contract to charity or something.

TerryMc
2 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

Places call:
“Hello, Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger speaking”
“Hi Brad, I need you to “find” a failed drug test to overturn a binding contract”

fanofthemanMember since 2020
2 years ago
Reply to  darren

I’d love to see Ben put out this ranking in a separate piece. Seeing his thought process would be fascinating

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
2 years ago

I would personally care more about winning and less about budget than this list but the list does a good job of what it’s trying to do. Thank you as always to FG authors

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

There’s a pretty even mix of “this doesn’t value top level production enough” and “this doesn’t value long, cheap control enough,” so it’s probably about right in aggregate.

fanofthemanMember since 2020
2 years ago

It seems to me that Ben is relatively willing to place bets on young guys who could make a leap, or who teams believe could take a leap. That makes sense to me- teams get seduced by the promise of ceiling all the time, and sometimes your Lars Nootbaar et als become peak Christian Yelich for a couple years, and that’s worth a ton, so teams sometimes pay for it.

And that tendency is probably a huge reason why so few of those guys get traded: to trade an Elly de la Cruz, you need (a) two teams at different points in the competitive cycle with (b) overlapping needs/surpluses and (c) valuations that are similar enough to build a package from but (d) different enough both teams think they’re going to win the deal. That’s a lot to come together on top of the difficulties of a normal trade, because the valuation range in de la Cruz has to be incredibly large. It is even here on FanGraphs, so I’m sure it is among the front offices.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
2 years ago
Reply to  fanoftheman

I guess personally I struggle with the idea of putting anyone on this list who’s a below average hitter right now (unless they’re a pitcher). If ZIPS is projecting a 90 wRC+ RoS, I’m out.

If we’re talking about a guy with a 110 WRC+ projection who we think might get a lot better, that’s a different story.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
2 years ago

There is only one stat that makes any difference in the game of baseball and that is the team stat called wins and losses. It is not coincidence that the Baltimore Orioles were 16-25 on 5/21/2022 and have the second best record in the American League since that date which, of course, coincides exactly with the arrival of Adley Rutschman. Let the stats minded people try to find reasons to lessen the value of catchers but, in the long history of the game, there is a tremendous correlation between great catchers and long term team success. Acuna is great, Rodriguez might be, I love Carroll and Franco but if I had one pick to start a franchise it would be Rutschman.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
2 years ago

I relate to a lot of Ben’s idea’s, such as accepting the fact if a starting pitcher only has two pitches, but those pitches are great, maybe a larger repertoire isn’t required. Sandy Koufax had a fastball and a curve and nothing else, nuff said.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
2 years ago

Ben, you only mentioned that Elly De La Cruz has already exhibited 80 grade speed and 80 grade power but you failed to include the obvious, he also possesses an 80 grade infield arm. Unfortunately, in truth, these are nice to have but unless he shows a major league level ability to make contact none of those will be able to hide that. In all my years of watching baseball EDLC has to be the player with the greatest possible variation of outcome I have ever seen..

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
2 years ago

I see Yordan Alvarez as David Ortiz, which I think is great, but for reasons I find to be laughable, after all DH is a position and a very valuable and important one, the position is seen as an ugly duckling to those who determine its value.

jreyn24Member since 2025
2 years ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

DH is a position and a very valuable and important one”

Does this imply there are positions less valuable and less important than DH? How does that make sense?

FrancoeursteinMember since 2025
2 years ago

People have been giving Austin Riley a lot of grief: but just know he’s hit 5 home runs since this series started. Buckle up folks, he’s going to have an electric second half.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2025
2 years ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

Another homer tonight

huts04
2 years ago

Surprised no Brendan donovan. He has a career 128 wRC+ and 3.7 WAR/600 with 5 more years of control

freakzstrop
2 years ago

 I think that might be an interesting argument. But I feel very, very confident in Rutschman.

OliverWMember since 2018
2 years ago

Loved this series, as always. It’s an endless entertaining exercise for me. Thanks for the awesome work, Ben!

sogoodlooking
2 years ago

“Look at those statistics. He’s in the top 20 for WAR among position players since his debut, and he’s played 136 fewer games than anyone in front of him on that list.”
—Not actually a good thing, given the value of most subs including at times a team’s 26th man.