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Members-Only Game Thread: World Series – Oct 28, 2026

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Go Rays!

go baseball

Good evening, everyone!

Let's go Brewers!

I am about as bored with the current narrative (pressure now on the Brewers) as I was with the previous one (Rays were done after game 3 and the sweep was inevitable). We assume the players are as emotionally unstable as the fans.

Fanthropomorphizing?

I like that word!

The reality is that there were 3 close games and one blowout. A few different 9th innings and it could be 3-1 Rays, and everyone is talking about how the Brewers keep blowing it even though they have performed better.

NLDS was the same way. Padres could have easily swept that. It’s crazy how close it’s been for the Brewers

Genuinely curious: What do the markets have on the velo of Miz’s first fastball?

not sure about the markets (screw those losers) but I think something like 104.5 is possible

I'm fascinated to see how Cash navigates this mess he's made of his available pitching

Welcome to steal it, cus it happens a lot.

Im getting drunk for the first time in months. If any Mets hate comes out of me, I apologize in advance.

what did we do to deserve that : (

For the sake of BrewersBiblio… Mets AKA Smoltz for the remainder of the chat

They’ve hurt hurt me with both of my teams.

Never apologize for Mets hate. Sincerely, a Phillies fan.

Let's go Rays

MIZ MIZ MIZ MIZ MIZ MIZ

That the game's brightest young star (personal opinion) is starting the potential last game of the season can only be a good thing.

Sorry MLB commercial, it's not darkest right before the dawn, it's typically darkest at solar midnight, usually in the wee hours of the AM long before sunrise

What do you expect from the same folks who think it's impossible to know how many days October has?

It’s saying something that FanGraphs is the only place sufficiently nerdy for me, and I play on the U Chicago math department softball team.

Good evening everyone! Gonna try hard to just enjoy baseball and not yell at my team!

I feel like BK is super throwing Chef whats her name under the bus.

If BK is admitting their chicken nuggets have sucked, shouldn't they be offering us some free new ones as compensation? WHY WERE YOU SELLING THEM TO US IF THEY WERE BAD

Lack of double-blind randomized experiments?

You'd think they'd check to see if they sucked

BK as a company only hires people that lack taste buds.

Oh man if they randomly released different Beta versions to different markets and didnt tell anyone, Props.

Read this as Brian Kenny at first

I'm on an actual TV Fox rather than stream tonight, so maybe the commercials I see will match more than a minority of you

"OK, we need to advertise MLB. How about Bill Hader losing his mind slowly?"

I still love Bill Hader

Jackson’s never seen a pitch he didn’t like

We all know that Drew Rasmussen isn't related to Dennis Rasmussen, but what my book suggest is that maybe he is?

Am I the only one who remembers this 1992 Dennis Rasmussen start? https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CAL/CAL199209290.sh… I am? Okay cool.

We back! Hello everybody

I have a theory that all baseball players are related

I like Chourio first to put the pitcher in a false state of belief that the Brewers are going to swing at whatever he chucks out there

Genius

Im surprised more people aren’t wanting the Rays to win. If I were an outsider, I’d avsultely want them to win, just to keep the series going

We’re a passionate bunch

Bauers on a roll! Of not hitting I mean.

Puyallup, WA’s favorite son, Drew Rasmussen

I'm rooting for the Brewers to win in 7, so rooting for the Rays to win today and game 6

second

I want to root for Game 6, but I also don’t want to tempt fate.

I made it 3 minutes with Smoltz's commentary, but the part where he started saying Rasmussen was pitching better because he's more tired broke me

Rasmussen looking good

You just wonder how long he’s good for

I just want it to go back to Wil so the Brews can hit some homers

Jumanji Part 3: The Search for More Money

Jumanji: the FLAMETHROWER

The kids love this one

My rooting interests: Manfred Getting Eaten by a Hippo> Brewers in 7 > Rays in 7 > Brewers in 6> Brewers in 5 > Brewers in 5 and the broadcasters mostly talk about the Yankees and celebrities

What other Burger King products are we going to find out have been terrible all along??

I don't understand how you can have new Jumanji movies with the same cast. HOW ARE YOU PLAYING THIS GAME AGAIN

"OH, here are the lousier players in the lineup too"

If only there was some non-verbal way to communicate with someone. I dunno, like “hands” or something.

trash can, but a legal one that does morse code

I want to see someone get Jumanji'ed into a worker-placement Eurogame.

“You’ve been transformed into a bushel of wheat”

Have yall been following the AFL outfield adjustment results? Insane.

I heard offense was up, but I didn’t hear any specifics about it

33% increase in hits and runs. Over 200% increase in triples.

I could go for some more triples

Those flies piss me off in MLB the Show. You hit the Perfect/Perfect window and it's precisely hit to the CF who doesn't move a millimeters

Hello all! I am going to try to remember to stick around here for more than a few messages

It appears Misiorowski's IVB is back to (and actually better than) normal so far

Dome at sea level causes craziness

Is this true?

Hey Jon!

Mound problems again?!

Just make it out of concrete!

I think the conspiracy of road mound Miz has actually gotten to him.

Did not expect this much feet chat this early in the game

I've never seen so many mound problems in a dome.

I feel like that’s a bald joke.

What if you got extra fractions of a win for winning longer extra inning games? The series would be 3-1.33, and the Rays would only need to win 2 more as long as they play 6 more extra innings

Insert “that just might be crazy enough, TO GET US ALL KILLED” squidward meme

Are we allowed to talk about hard toes?

Should have stuck with the slippery mound.

I think the worst feeling for any pitcher would be something forearm related. Or family tragedy

Or maybe having a soft toe.

Line drive to the…?

Existential dread

I will allow a hit to Caminero only because I have his RC

That might've been the fastest first inning of the series by a good ten minutes

Don't jinx it! I'm hoping I WON'T be exhausted at work tomorrow.

Back to business: hitting it right to Turang.

As a truck driver, GTA is such a stress reliever. I get to live out all my road rage fantasies. Can’t wait for 6 to come out.

Have you ever played Just Cause?

I have not, nor have I heard of it. Should I?

I played Spy Hunter in 1982 on my Apple II+, does that count?

It's a more destructive open world GTA-like game. It's older at this point.

BeamNG

Why have more people claimed the Brewers are gonna win, than that the Brewers will win in five?

Hahaha, I noticed that too.

That was me. Silliness

I really appreciate them using the slow mo camera to show him walking with the trainer there. Helped me really make sense of the action.

Hello everyone. What is happening with Cooper Pratt?

MVP

Great read (or great guess) by Turang there

I think the first/third base coaches are on crack

Pooper Cratt.

Out of the basepath…. Drink!

We have basepaths again!

I think you should be able to run to home in that situation

Love that high home replay.

That was inside

Only one run there feels like a big, well not mistake, wasted opportunity.

I forgot the downside of watching the game at the bar is everyone here believes they are experts at coaching. It’s inexcusable Frelick didn’t run home on that rundown, according to the people here

Tell them the fangraphs chat guy says that you are correct and they are wrong and stupid. That will fix it!

Im wearing Chicago Cubs shorts, so I’m not trying to draw attention to myself…

Ur killing me BBphile. Tickets to G6 and Cubs shorts? Bile rising. 😉

What is inexcusable is Pratt not stopping at 1st. 1st and 3rd with 1 out is optimum in that in that situation.

I feel like the rookies show their rookiness in the post

Was that a combo Polymarket/election ad? Two of everyone's favorite things!

That one feels extra gross.

It’s quite impressive that gambling has found a way to make politics feel even more disgusting

That Polymarket ad shows the entire problem. She needs to bet everything he'll lose and THEN blow the whistle

Tampa can’t sell out a World Series game and they can’t have a decent mound that doesn’t require in game service. Embarrassing for a franchise.

That mound looks like they just dumped rubble on it

And now I'm looking at the pitchers' feet. Thanks, Miz.

So how many pitches before Miz throws something other than a fastball?

When it fails?

who is the largest shoe size (avg) : listed height

i have a suspicion that shoe size might be very slightly positively correlated with velocity

Whats the record for consecutive fly outs in a ws game? Either/both outs recorded by fly out and consecutive batters who flew out

but getting a height-independent measure for that sounds difficult (longer levers apart from foot)

Literally everything Smoltz says is in service of trying to deny the reality that baseball has been revealed as a game of strength and power rather than finesse and strategy. Everything.

True, and ironic considering he was successful mostly because he was one of the foremost power pitchers of his generation

The Pat Murphy angry smile

I wonder if Jackson would swing at a bowling pitch.

More research/public availability for whatever pain drugs they used to "fix" Jr's foot for this game. ?

At least they caught it this time, but is it that hard for them to communicate?

Yes. There are no ways to communicate.

Overcorrection from last night.

At this point I can only assume Caminero has a fetish for running into his teammates.

The replay showed Caminero screaming for it several times. It also showed neither looking at each other after the play…

I wonder if it’s because so many catchers wear the ear piece and an earplug in the other ear

Really interesting of Fox to go to commercial with "Rockin' in the Free World," which is very much in the news right now.

I think Fox is semi aware that they are just highly paid trolls at this point

Semi?

How much credit for self awareness do you want to give them?

It's also a song up there with "Born in the USA" that will be played completely ignorant of the context of the lyrics.

FOX usually plays a lot of jam bands going into commercial. Lots of Phish, lots of Grateful Dead. This series has seen First Tube and Tweezer.

it's been tweezer reprise this series, not tweezer

It's not like FOX is a big single entity deciding top down to troll, it's mostly Jacob Ullman likes jam bands and picks what to play.

Need a poll for most mistakes we’ll see tonight: running into each other, running too far, or misthrowing to first

New rule. Everybody dives twice on every play.

Jeez. Your feed is significantly ahead of mine.

I'm using an antenna. Much faster than cable and streaming.

You can set the chat to delay to match your feed in the settings

Gameday is almost a minute ahead of Direct TV. I wish I could find a way to use that advantage.

Bar bets?

Has there been any data about how much slower pitchers' average fastball velocity is in the postseason compared to the regular season? And is it different for starters and relievers?

I think I've written about this. Pitchers throw harder in the postseason. Adrenaline. And shorter outings.

Huh. Even by the end of October?

They also pitch better when tired according to the expert in the booth

Here's Eno from a couple weeks ago: "The average postseason adrenaline velocity bump is just over one mph. Gavin Williams was up 1.9 mph today and Freddy Peralta is up 2.5 ticks"

Oh, here's my article: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/reaching-back-for-a-little-somet…

Vilade diving into the lava pit

Wow

The Brewers pitching coach is named Hook? And he's not the one who pulls the pitcher?

And their manager is named Murphy and, so far as I know, he never gets folded up into an apartment wall.

Wait until you find out his rank in the military

He probably doesnt even listen to Blues Traveler either

No dives. B-

Why is it so hard to convince players that running through first is faster?

Instinct is awfully hard for logic to override in a split second.

Going to go against the grain here and say that I think there is a specific way to dive and get there faster, though most people don't dive into first that way.

I believe I read somewhere that if you dive in such a way that you launch yourself forward and touch the base before touching the ground you are indeed faster. But standard baseball slide is slower and (a) no more propulsion from legs and (b) friction with ground

i am also appealing to the logic of the "layout" or "bid"

If the sideline is yelling "bid for glory" I'll allow it

yes i will shoehorn in frisbee things. no i will not attend a tournament or even my local pickup group.

(i might attend a tournament. health and homework willing.)

the once and future frisbee player

I think that Cooper Pratt baserunning blunder is going to come back and hurt the Brewers

I wanna see Yandy hit the ball with his arm

Super Mario Sluggers Donkey Kong style

Is Murphy rubbing off on Miz? He looked pretty pissed off there.

If true that seems like an HR issue.

I’d love to see Murphy get called into an HR meeting

“So the reason we called you in…no, I don’t want a pants-pancake. What even is that.”

Never let them know your next move

Yandy has one cheek with triple-wide eyeblack and one with single-wide. What?

You wouldn't get it. Yandy is deep into postmodern eyeblack art.

His ever evolving war paint is one of the things I love the most about him.

It’s almost like it it isn’t really there for the stated purpose.

I coach little league. It’s never there for the stated purpose.

Diaz and Frelick competing for most injured?

Frelick hurt Diaz delay of game.

Oof

Tampa Bay delay of games.

That the broadcast did not use their AI tokens to show me a comparison between Yandy and Miz biceps should get them all fired.

I like how they squeeze ads into any possible break

I wonder if it's even possible for Yandy to fully button his jersey

This whole “let’s experiment with telepathy” thing isn’t working

Is it just insanely loud in the dome and nobody can hear each other?

That’s my assumption

Not the fans, the crumbling of the mound.

Everyone seems a bit on edge as well

OK, how many of you were betting three innings, Brewers winning, and count them zero strikeouts for Miz?

They need to summon Pat Morita to visit Yandy in the locker room.

Miyagi…. My KK lore needs updating

I don’t know how a hitter can even see these pitches

Was it Adames or Paredes who famously could not?

Adames couldn't see pitches in Tampa

See in Milwaukee I bet that’s an HR

HR in 19/30 parks

Hit the weight room JC

more bat speed training

Been really impressed with Simpson in this post

No no no announcer man… infield in=bad

Keep your eye on the ball. Baseball 101.

Someone I know said that Simpson fella can really fly

I had been thinking the devil rays jerseys were holding TB back. They should know better than anyone that they’ve really only ever had success with the true Rays jerseys

I didn't want to believe this, but I can't find any evidence to counter.

Miz is done

After another two innings.

That was close.

Trying to imagine blocking a 102-mph fastball from Miz with a runner on third

Again with the throws to first. I just can’t.

Please put someone else at third.

Palacios is available if you are willing to play him at 3rd

Make a good throw to third base challenge: impossible

Can’t blame them for getting their payday but I didn’t think Parquet Courts would be the type of band willing to sell out to Starbucks

Nm

Cash thinks he's got 5 bullpen innings tonight?

I think it’s more about Rasumssen than the bullpen.

I'm sure you're right, but 48 pitches seemed pretty light to me.

I’d like to think he could’ve gone more, but I won’t pretend to know that for sure. It’s making the Game 2 start look a lot worse though.

Cooooop!

Cooper. Man.

This could be the dagger inning

I keep on getting confused with the crowd cheering for what just happened was good for the Rays or the Brewers.

I saw a game in Denver like that when they played the Cubs. It was wild because no matter what happened half the crowd went crazy.

Don't the Rays know we need to squeeze every ounce of baseball out of this series because we don't know when we'll have it again?

Just enjoy it we are all going to die next week anyway.

Is that when Grand theft Auto comes out?

#6 is in the real world

Smoltz must be soooo disappointed that they scored with a hit rather than a bunt.

Ashby comes in when and for how long?

Was Williamson drawn really far in? Shouldn't they have been at double play depth?

Infield in=bad

I think the rule is you can’t be good at defense AND offense

Here we go again…

If Ashby comes in and gets some big outs is he the WS MVP? Leads the team in +WPA to this point.

Feels like Pratt maybe has the inside edge at this point? Think they'll always give it to an offensive player over a reliever.

If Ashby gets like 6 outs, I think it should be him

Of course, I thought Ashby should have been NLCS MVP, so YMMV

I'm still on Contreras

Pratts best game was in a loss. Unless he gets another 2 hits tonight.

If an offensive player gets it, it should be Chourio. Ashby should be the MVP though.

Rays need the Brewers to bring Shane Drohan in for some inexplicable reason

Chourio RISP master

What would it take for Kyle Harrison to finally get into a game?

Spring Training to start.

10 run lead 2 outs in the 9th

Probably a blowout or another long extra inning game. I think Woody would be trusted more.

Gangsters to pay Pat Murphy.

They should give out a postseason mvp award and Ashby would get that

Need to DH for Bauers

Not with the lead he’s the best defensive option at first

I've been watching the playoffs for a month now and still don't know what a self-driving network is

It’s a network that drives itself.

Not just self-driving, self OPTIMIZING

Self optimizing

That clears it up even more

willem_dafoe_forehead_slap.gif

I assumed it was a network that could identify all the stop signs, busses and motorcycles in the captchas.

The day I learned that users were unwittingly training self-driving cars by filling out those CAPTCHAs was the day I knew we were doomed.

Wait…what?

Is google trying to turn people off of sabermetrics? These full moon stats cant be real…

Contreras challenging pitches has been my favorite part of the World Series.

Gary Sanchez challenging every PA has been my favorite part of the season.

You had me at Contreras

And being mostly correct.

And threatening to do it before the ump even makes the call.

Hi guys, missed you all silly me socializing with real humans at a bar instead of on the internet

Im at a bar!

Are you at the same bar?

Are you at an Irish bar?

are you at True Laurel in the mission in SF? IF so…

I am not

Food just showed up for me, and I forgot I even ordered

That mound legit looks like you could BMX on it

I did drink a pickle beer in honor of Milwaukee

https://www.totalwine.com/beer/specialty-styles/specialty-be…

Told ya Miz is done

73 pitches and a slightly tired BP? No way. One more inning at least.

I refuse to let facts and data get in the way of my sincerely held deeply flawed belief

Nasty K

That felt like Miz taking credit for Yandy making a bad swing

What is best in life Miz? "Blowing fastballs by injured DH's and hearing the Lamentations of their fans "

You win the chat for using the word “lamentations”

apparently getting half swings at cutters in the waste zone?

Conan rules

Still feels crazy to me that he has no runs in, 15 outs, and only two by K.

The Miz, contact manager

Our Mailbag is a little light on submissions for this week. Anybody have any World Series related questions to submit?

What World Series had the most beer consumed per capita?

Are the brewers the greatest team in American history, or world history?

I need a full write up on the Strunk and White of when its Our Mailbag v Mailbag v The MAILBAG…

We don't know they play baseball in other solar systems.

What year will the Padres win a WS? The Rockies?

What player has had the most injuries in a world series? The most HBP?

Seems like consensus is that Ashby won't win MVP this year. When has a reliever deserved it most?

Run environment-adjusted best RP playoff performances

Is there an acronym for successful/unsuccessful/bullied ABS challenges by a catcher? Can we backronym something for Wild Bill?

Everyone in here send your questions to mailbag@fangraphs.com!

that seems like a lot of work

I think it’s Balls Eyed for Low Pitch or Hit

Im a paid subscriber, this should be good enough! /s

But Mailbag (re: Davy) is hungry!

What has a bigger impact on World Series ratings: the popularity/market size of the teams or the competitiveness/excitement of the games/series?

1982 suds series.

Mailbag, how does the mound at the Trop taste different from the mound in an open-air ballpark?

Back in the McCarver days, I used to successfully predict what he was going to say before he said it. That made announcers seem useless.

Yeah, I'm going with this ballgame is over. 3 runs feels like a mountain right now.

This feels insurmountable.

It is

Never say never. I mean until the game is over.

Found the guy who didn't have it tonight. How many more do Tampa have in their bullpen?

Chandler took a bad route. Probably wouldn’t have caught it but it was a bad route.

Already not a fan of Floridians and now the poor Rays getting no home game support. No redeeming qualities

They are like baselines… only real sometimes.

The Sanibel/Captiva area is nice. Mostly harmless retired Midwesterners. Still hasn’t fully recovered from Hurricane Ian, from what I hear.

I worked in Tampa for two years. I went to the mall one time and went to the sports store. 90% of what they sold was Yankees stuff. It was honestly embarrassing.

Are there a bunch of empty seats I'm missing or something? I feel like the whole "the Rays have zero fans" thing is a little overblown

I'm guessing it's more so that the stadium seems filled with Brewers fans who traveled over.

Huh. I really haven't gotten that vibe watching on TV

I have. They booed Diaz’ injury delays, the “Coop” for Pratt has been loud.

The Rays had the lowest playoff game attendance since 1919. Game 1 of the ALCS felt like a home game for Cleveland. Florida just doesn't care about baseball.

Oh wow

Interesting decision there

Had to let it drop. How could he give up another run???

Is letting it drop actually the right decision?

In this situation, it is the only decision.

I think let it drop is correct here.

When down already? I think so.

Cooper Pratt, stealth WS MVP candidate?

Up to .62 WPA for the series.

4-0 seems so much worse than 3-0

And 3-0 was already very bad

And the marginal difference from 4-0 to 5-0 or 6-0 (the risk of a big inning if you let it drop somewhat worse) doesn't seem as bad as the 3-0 to 4-0 jump.

Take the out. He has a chance to throw out Contreras. Drop it and Pratt might hit a double

What's the win probability difference if the RF lets that drop? I understand it's not really feasible to conevy that in the moment but would love to know, feel like the extra run's a killer.

It could have been 5-0 if Pratt gets a hit though

Difference between 3 and 4 is more important than the difference between 4 and 5 especially for a team that's struggled to score all postseason

That makes sense.

Should've let it drop. The Rays have only scored 5 or more three times this postseason

And they're running out of time to do it

Guy had 6 hits in last 6 ABs

WE bump there was only 1% so we may be wrong

dropping by to say go brew crew!!

I think WPA is underestimating the gap – who the hell knows, but 4 runs against this bullpen feels like it would be D-Backs vs Mariano level shock

Even before seeing that "teams are 27-4 when they score 4+ runs in this postseason" stat I was just thinking Game 2 was the death blow, brutal for the Rays to score 4 with their ace pitching on full rest and still lose

Here comes Vaughn

A slightly better throw and that sac is a double play and no runs score

Anyone have insight on the relevant arm?

The right one.

Just got home! How'd Miz look? The line's a bit confusing

….good? Mostly?

5 Ip and 0 ER IS pretty darn good

was talking to a non baseball fan coworker (whos also a data scientist) and we were brainstorming an idea to take the derivative of WPA to measure how fast the "vibes" can change

We might be 3 innings from no baseball for who knows how long. We desperately need a Rays comeback.

No we’re gonna do a Fangraphs winter league watch chat! Hopefully

If this goes the way it looks, the Pads and Rays should play for 2nd place.

Dodgers-Guardians for third place, like in the World Cup

I’ll be attending Puerto Rican winter league from November 7-15. Anyone who wants to find me on Bluesky is welcome to join the unofficial official chat!

They will play baseball in March.

Hope springs

Why is Matz coming in? Your season's already on life support and you absolutely cannot give up any more runs here. Is Matz really the most likely to get out of this with no more damage?

Unless Martinez is somehow available, I'm not sure who else they're supposed to use in the 6th. Sulser? Missing-fastball Baker?

I figured this would happen at some point. They don’t have enough pitching they trust and this is what happens when you wear out your whole bullpen.

Has Baker been that bad Matz is the best option here?

Chandler is the slowest fast-AF left fielder in history

Matz .574 vs lefties 873 vs righties no idea why they didn’t PH Vaughn there. That could have been the dagger.

Gotta keep Hamilton in for his defense

I am Mailbag and Matt Martell has advised me that I should solicit questions. I am hungry. For questions. Though I also enjoy Flamin' Hot Cheetos.

my Q: is baseball the "vibiest" of all sports? is there a way to measure that?

Which players have dyed their hair?

There’s a stat called BLEPH that measure that

Is this the lowest salaried World Series (relative to league average pay) in the modern era? If not, which series were lower? Were they more even in outcome?

1. Best RP post season performances. Adjust for run environment of that year's playoffs. 2. See how much better Mike Trout's career would be if he played in Babe Ruth's…environment (add in as many AAA and AA players as you'd need essentially)

If you had another player to place on the field where would you put him?

Best estimates of actual MLB revenue and the current distribution there of?

What is the absolute optimal pitch mix (assuming, say, you get 4 pitch types) within reason? Give a pitcher an ideal arm angle for theoretical stuff and play around with it/

If the Crew holds on, has their been a World Series champ that's been so close to losing most of their wins?

Is this the worst FA class ever?

I go the other way. Would baseball be more interesting with 8 on the field? And would you play 3 in the OF or 5 in the IF?

what WS is this one the most like in terms of similar teams?

I never think of good questions. But y'all do a fantastic job with the mailbag

I’m gonna miss baseball if this is it.

Is Smoltz cautioning Misiorowski on getting addicted to… pitching well?

Look, you're not going to be good forever kid, so start learning to be worse now.

Bwahaha

I'm watching in Canada where Sportsnet has its own announcing crew, so thanks for mentioning Smoltz by name. Occasionally people in this chat start complaining or riffing about totally random stuff, and I just have to assume that Smoltz must've said something crazy.

Smoltz is terrible, and I say that as someone who cheered for him so hard as a child.

Some of that is also just us.

Mailbag Q: can you build/develop more Ashbys (or further back, Andrew Millers)? If so, how?

How can you not mention Mariano?

I think you definitely can't create another Mariano.

Mariano was great, but he wasn't used the way Ashby has been this year (regular season and playoffs), or the way Miller was in his great playoff run. No shade on Mariano to ask about how to build/develop a guy who's used differently than Mariano was.

Yeah, yeah, yeah…strikeouts bad, radar guns bad…🙄

Only I am allowed to throw it fast and bendy too… how do you think I stood out enough to get to the hall of fame?

I got one for the mailbag: give us an analysis of Smotlz and quantify his claims to measure how wrong they are

A bottomless source of Mathemadage posts for Ben.

Miz is still not pitching “old school” enough for Smoltz, even though he has allowed zero runs with very few strikeouts. The guy still just seems to hate baseball.

He got really excited about football though on that Lions promo

Calf cramp. Calf cramp!

Oh cramp

FireJohnSmoltz dot com is available…just sayin’.

How many more "worst things for a pitcher" does Smoltz have?

Cramps are the worst thing in the world! But have you ever had space cramps?

I love me some pickle juice

That's a bummer of a way to finish this start for Miz

Oh man that's a bummer. For him and the team.

As someone who gets cramps all the time, it's so annoying. And yes, do the pickle juice.

Just the kind of advice I'd expect from a briny scientist

disc knower

At least it's not an elbow or shoulder injury

Pretty sure those are actually the worst things that can happen to a pitcher.

I mean he got them almost six innings. That’s awesome.

More than I expected

He said he wanted to throw 120 pitches. I expected 6 out of him.

If they hold on here, Miz WS MVP? 2 wins, 1 run in 10.2 innings

Aaron Ashby would like a word.

Gotta be Willy C right?

Would be especially fitting in first year of ABS!

If like to see a orthopedic surgeon who's never seen baseball watch that slo-mo of Miz' pitching motion and give their thoughts

“Give that guy my number”

Kyle Boddy kinda used to do this when Driveline was in its infancy… He nailed Strass sadly.

Does MLB oversee the home team groundskeepers in the playoffs? If this was the '50s the Rays would've def tried to make the bottom of the mound as soft and loose as possible to screw with Miz's stride.

I don't know for sure, but probably nothing special. The umps can make them do things, though.

Sad for him to come out like this – but I think if you had asked the Brewers if they could get 5 2/3rds from him with 0 runs, they would gladly have taken it

I have no idea who MVP will be. Chuorio 10 hits, Pratt 6 straight hits, Miz 2 W.

Ashby is my vote. Chourio is my likely to get it.

I'm confident it won't be Bauers at least

These things are all narrative, so Chourio seems most likely. Ashby has been pretty good too.

Pat Murphy would veto the Pratt MVP because of bad baserunning if he could

How heavily does abs fit in? 🤣 id vote contreras

At least he wasn’t loafing!

Miz has .50 win percent added over the series and chuorio is actually only + .02!

Pratt + .61 wpa

they just said on the radio feed that contreras will challenge if he doesn't win it

Speaking of, I recently read the Pat Murphy anger level article and thoroughly enjoyed it.

Worst feeling in the world? Mmm no. Giving up the series winning HR.

So the secret folks is get good players and have a good coach.

And a good clubhouse vibe

I recommend scoring more runs than the other team, preferably every game if you can manage it

Monkey never cramp. Just sayin

I started eating bananas before I went for walks, and I’m not saying it worked for my leg cramps, but in my mind they worked.

It’s crazy how every team that is about to win the World Series always seems to have a great clubhouse!

Contreras has contributed with the bat , the arm and his eyes. He leads IMHO

I second this. Contreras' double today pushed him ahead of Chourio

dj khaled voice

ANOTHER ONE

Bauers continuing to make his case for MVP

Bauers for the loss

Driving, game on radio. Need an update on how pissed off Pat Murphy looks.

He’s the kind of pissed off where the guy who ordered after he did got his food first.

No you don't, you knew before you asked the question! He's eternally curmudgeonly

"No you don't!” — Nathan Fielder

Maybe if Ashby shuts it down from here he wins MVP? Otherwise I don't see a way it could happen

would need TB to rally to at least one run game if not tied, then have Ashby slam the door for couple innings

Uribe, Megill.

Smoltz on that bauers DP ball with xBA of .420 “that’s about as easy as a play you’ll ever get as a first baseman”

To be fair xBA doesn't account for fielder location. That was smoked but right at the 1B who was playing on the line.

Had to make a nice throw too though!

F**king hiccups. I hate drinking

Nice back door there by JoJo

Smoltz talking about people who "have no business talking baseball…"

Yeah ironically this was his best take of the night too

Apparently I have no credibility. I talked about it in the, this would be fun and I want it to happen sense… but definitely am guilty.

Why did it take so long for Simpson to take off for 2nd?

Had to go back and touch 1st base

Holy crap he didn't touch first

Smoltz says *anyone* who thought Miz should come in last night has no business talking baseball… wait until he hears there is a guy out there who would rather give up a HR than walk the leadoff hitter!

He’s not wrong about that.

Ump cam during reg season great!
Playoffs no thanks

I'm good without it any time on anything but select replays

Ugh…cue up “putting pressure on the defense.”

Yep. Nailed it.

If Contreras wins, is MLB really gonna tout all his ABS challenges? Do they really want to highlight that there's so many wrong calls to correct?

Yes. The Umpires don’t really have a say here. They’ll claim they “fixed it”

He should get to pie the ump whose calls he got overturned most

That’d be a great way to send off CB Bucknor

It’s baffling to me that ABS challenges are apparently so popular that MLB (and T-Mobile, of course) are building entire ads around them.

This is their idea of marketing the game, smdh

Smoltz wondering if the gloves are too large and should be regulated is probably his best comment this postseason.

The Roki photoshop still makes me cackle every time I see it

Guys… didnt we talk about whether pine tar is legal on the mitts? and regulating them?… Smoltz reads our chats!!!

In the spirit of being contrarian – who actually likes Smoltz? Is this just the case the average baseball viewer is 55 and remember him at his peak, and thus think highly of him? I'm willing to accept the case for him, but a guy who s**ts on the game doesn't seem like it helps to sell it

I’m 49 and I remember collecting his rookie cards and his peak very well. Can’t stand him in the booth.

I’m having to mute after every pitch. This DJ should be imprisoned.

He's trying to drown out Smoltz! He's trying to help!

I dunno, Crapshoot, I remember Smoltz at his peak (though I'm 48, not 55) and he kinda annoys me. During Mis's cramp was like his required one time per postseason when he's useful

I just don't get as mad at broadcasters as I used to. There's simply not for me.

I actually watched many games broadcast by Joe Morgan. Smoltz is just garden variety compared to that.

One thing I forgot to mention last night is how much I realized I missed extra innings without a runner on second.

at least we dont have to listen to rex hudler anymore

Honestly, if you're a serious enough fan to subscribe to an indie baseball website and spend what could be the final game of 2026 watching here with us, the broadcasters aren't really there for you, either.

I am with you 100% Dan, I haven't listened to an inning or missed more than a few here at Fangraphs.

That will not stop us from complaining!

Yeah, I sometimes read the comments at The Athletic – there is very much a market for “I reject everything we’ve learned about baseball in the last 30 years.”

I'm just complaining for the love of the game — I've had him muted since the first inning

Not over till it's over and all that but can't see this Rays lineup scoring 5 runs in 2 innings against Uribe/MeGill

Brian Anderson is a great help to his color men. He knows how to lead a horse to water.

I admit I kind of liked Tim McCarver, despite stathead scorn. My grandfather was a Mets fan so I grew up listening to him, and he had folksy charm. Plus it was kind of fun when he was instantly proven wrong.

Not impressed by Joe Davis

He's a lot better with Hershiser. I think he just doesn't trust Smoltz and tries to fill in more color on these national casts.

Sarcasm aside Smoltz is a bad broadcaster because his play by play guy can never trust him: either Smoltz trips over his words so badly you have no idea what he's saying or he veers off on some tangentially related rant halfway through. Davis has to constantly be on guard to jump in and save him

John Smoltz to FanGraphs readers is like Yelp food reviews for Andrew Zimmern.

I hope we get to see Palacios make another little league lollipop throw to first

Murphy would be great cast in a post apocalyptic movie where surviving a zombie outbreak is how he finally connects to his rebellious son.

He wouldn't be a great national broadcast guy because he's a huge homer, but I often miss Hershiser as the color guy during the playoffs

Mailbag: Who among the FGers would make the best announcer?

Eric Longenhagen and I don’t think it would be close

I'm going to risk a ban from Dan and unironically suggest Carson.

I've switched to the Brewers radio broadcast. not so hard to get it synchronized.

I’m a baseball on the radio fan myself. There’s something about it that is magical.

Absolutely right! I miss Joe Castiglione so much that I am having a tough time accepting Will Flemming.

I grew up listening to Jon Miller, then got Gary Thorne as an adult, and have Kevin Brown now. As a result, national broadcasters always felt underwhelming and I generally tune them out.

O's fans really have been blessed with announcers. Baseball players, less so.

I’m not really that old (29) but I still miss bob costas

Costas totally lost me with the Pedro Strop thing

I've also never made an underwear spreadsheet, for the record

I think this denial isn’t helping you.

I think they should have like 8 different booths, and you can pick based on mood.

Would love a permanant crowd noise option

Provided the DJ is imprisoned.

Brian, I'm not a mod status for the unstructured chats, so I cannot ban you being nice to Carson sadly!

Feeling goofy? Here's Bennetti. Want good color? Here's Darling. etc.

David, you know they'd figure out how to do it with AI

In last night's chat, someone posited an extra inning rule in which eventually Smoltz and Davis take over as pitchers. My question is, which would you rather have? Smoltz is almost 60 and Davis is 38, so Davis might last longer before breaking down, even if Smoltz presumably remembers how to throw a curveball.

Oh give me the Hall of Famer

Smoltz easily, as long as he can still physically throw.

When do the guys in the pregame show get involved? Jeter vs. Smoltz is more of a competition, but still not much of one

Not ph for walls?

Right? I am an ardent Walls defender, but not pinch hitting here is indefensible.

I looked at their bench Mullins would seem to be their best option. Not that much of an improvement.

And Joe Buck always gave the vibe that he felt we were there to watch him instead of the game.

Buck always sounded like he couldn’t wait to call football again.

Smoltz has inspired me to keep my Duolingo streak going. This time next year, I hope to be fluent enough in Spanish to be able to watch the ESP broadcast.

Bruh…why is this inspiring me???

Yeah, take the Hall of Famer

That may help for Chourio's MVP case

Joe Davis is a broadcaster's broadcaster; sometimes he isn't necessarily a fan's broadcaster

Let us save a few reproachments for the Arod/Papi/Jeter trio who are incapable of expressing anything that wouldn't show up in a comments section. Is it that hard to find a thoughtful player? Can I not have a panel of Joey Votto, Sean Doolittle, and Brent Rooker?

The crew for Phillies-Braves wild card round was fantastic

The Wheeler Proclamation notwithstanding

And add Pedro and Rollins so we can get the hilariously awkward "who is Pedro's daddy tonight" segment.

Another idea was Manfred vs. Bruce Meyer–I think Manfred's probably likelier to be able to get one over the plate.

does this mean that Ashby is closing?

That feels a little too cute, Megill's fresh and can go two innings

But Ashby is WAY better. Megill has been sketchy in the postseason.

Yeah but he threw 31 pitches yesterday, he's been dominant but he's still human

Ashby human? Citation needed

Hit the gym Yandy. Too weak.

I've noticed that throughout this series. He keeps thinking he hit one out.

Im obviously biased as a giants fan but I think Jon Miller doing national stuff is utterly amazing. Him and Dave Flemming (another awesome person) are so so good

Jon Miller is a top 3 broadcaster left in today’s game.

Yeah up until now it didn't matter what booth you got for a Giants game, it was gonna be good

Megill is a notorious bunt hater so maybe it should be oops all bunts here on out for the flappy bois

Stop, you’re making Smoltz aroused.

I've got so many (bad) ideas for TV booth combos by mood now. Banned announcers, for the anti-woke, manned by Thom Brennamen and Curt Schilling.

John Rocker for on field reporting I assume?

Rocker and Jose Canseco locked in a cage for two minutes instead of the 7th inning stretch.

Paired with Lenny Dykstra.

One more inning until lockout abyss 🙁

I don't care. Being this happy for Milwaukee will sustain me for a while. It feels so good to see an organization do everything right and get rewarded. Plus, their fans are so likeable.

If this is it, a huge thank you to Sean and everybody who had a hand in putting these together! It has been great meeting so many of you, I hope we get the chance to do this again soon!

Thank you Sean & staff we love you and appreciate all you do! 🫶

I would definitely recommend these chats as one of the innumerable benefits that make membership worth it–worth mentioning in the whatever marketing you guys do.

@brewersbibliophile on Bluesky. Anyone wanna add me would be appreciated. I’ve enjoyed these chats.

Thanks everyone for being here with us.

I also have a suspicion that the labor stoppage won't be too long. The owners know that the MLBPA will never budge on a salary cap under any circumstances, so presumably they have something else they want to get out of negotiations.

Let's hope!

They will never budge on something every other major American professional league already has on? I am not so sure. Will be about making sure the players get their earned piece of the pie I think.

A union is going to generally be more unified than 30 different owners, many of whom don't have the stomach to lose that much money with a long strike.

They’ve seen how it works. You can’t unpop that cork. I’d bet those other unions are jealous of MLBPA. They know they’ve lost.

As a Brewer fan who's been frustrated by the economic disparity in baseball for years, I am quite fine with a WS win followed by a lockout.

Even if you’re not Christian I think the Jesus commercial is best. That or Sweeney. I mean basically the same ad.

Did I miss the ad where Jesus tries to get me to gamble on sports while wearing nothing but catcher gear?

Do his dads switch off weekends having a catch?

It's nice that the Brewers get to win the title in front of their fans.

Need a booth from All the Smoke (except N Swisher)

Cash's pitching decisions will be rightfully questioned (Seymour here???), but at some point your offense just has to score runs

Yeah this is mostly on TB’s bats. TB pitching held up pretty well outside of G3

Cash will be questioned, but the real story is, he ran into a buzz saw. It would take the ‘27 Yankees to stop a team like this.

Certainly the last two games have not been good.

I wouldn’t go that far but I don’t think there is any question which team has more talent here. The Rays are just outgunned.

And Peralta's blowup was extremely predictable, to the point that I said it would happen immediately after Game 2. It's too bad that I'm so philosophically committed to never betting on sports that even Sweeney couldn't convince me.

JD, now you're *really* jinxing it, unless my feed is 10 minutes behind

Though I do like the joke

Another good WS question would be who has won the MVP with the lowest cWPA for the series?Would presumably be like here, one without an easy winner.

Livan Hernandez sucked in the 1997 WS and I hate you for making me remember that.

One more half inning <3

Did the bottom of the 6th take longer than 7-8-9 combined if this ends quickly?

Feels like it!

Yes

My receipt says I have 10 beers in me. Do I have an 11th before the end of this inning??

Spotted Cow?

Guinness

this is very milwaukee

If you are capable of typing the question without grammatical mistakes or spelling errors then the answer is yes.

Get home safe

If my wife don’t answer, then I’ll be walking the half mile home 😅

I don't like commercials that feel like someone didn't want to just pay NBC for the rights to use Ron Swanson

Dammit! Beat me to the store-brand Nick Offerman joke!

If the Rays actually come back and win this they still have no rested pitchers for game 6. Cash really has not managed his staff well this series.

🍻

Two hits through eight innings after the extra innings last night is crazy. Can't say enough about Milwaukee's pitching staff.

Not a save situation, so I guess they don’t bring in Rollie Fingers. Maybe Dan Plesac.

John Axford!

I always like going against A's Rollie Fingers in MLB the Show because it looks like Luigi is on the mound against you

Harsh but fair.

Caminero has a plane to catch

Cancun is calling

The Mario Brother, not the murderer

The less cool Luigi

Sure, if we want to just erase Goomba lives like that

At what point do the Mets (or Phillies or Yankees) raid Milwaukee of it's front office?

Mets tried!

The Mets won't be able to figure that one out.

Mets bashing and it was not Biblio. Chat complete!

My last comment may not get approved, so *expletive* the Mets

I'm excited to see if Pat Murphy actually stops looking like he's annoyed during the celebration

I think he just has Resting Manager Face.

He's allowed to smile but ONLY if he looks like a proud father as he does so

Luckiest hit EVER

Wow.

This looks and sounds like a home crowd, my goodness

I’m not sure if I’ve ever met a Rays fan, and I went to watch a couple games at the Trop.

Jason Collette is a hardcore Rays fan.

The only Rays fan I know of is Dick Vitale.

Never met him

That reminds me to praise Hicks. I was skeptical about him being full-time catcher for a playoff team but his defense has been much better than I expected and his challenges have been nearly perfect as well.

Let’s just hypothesize that the Rays come back to win the Series after that. Best baseball story ever?

Don't think so–the story would be the collapse.

But that particular play would be more infamous than Buckner, right?

I want the Rays to threaten enough to get Ashby in the game

Shoulda bunted smh

Pitching out of the zone the right call here

It's not quite over yet…but it’s been a fun postseason. I’m really glad all of you chose to be here with us this October.

Hopefully this lockout is quick. We will have editorial coverage and some interesting payroll tools during the negotiations.

You all are why we are able to do what we do, and I know these chats have been something I’ve looked forward to. I’ve enjoyed getting to know a lot of you.

We are going to find more places to build community on FG.

Thank you, Sean!

FanGraphs makes baseball better

I’ll be signing up for one of the MVP things or whatever they’re called if games are missed. I love this site and don’t want to see it go anywhere.

So Simpson get's his first HR here?

Simpson HR, calling it.

Gotta hit it to bring Ashby in

There is hope!

I've got Simpson for MVP

Ok -if you're Murphy – do you bring in Ashby here? Megill's longest outing of the world series, and even a HR isn't enough yet.

Yes!!!

Serious question, what is going on with Megill's pants?

They’re losing the battle with the rest of Megill.

Megill is not the man

Megill has one more hitter either way, yes?

I think he’s in until it’s tied

I'd make a change

He's hoping for a pop up

Richie's gonna homer

Of course it ends with Turang fielding the ball

Condolences to the diehard Rays fans who genuinely do love their team, but this is the happiest I have been about a World Series win since 1983.

There we go.

WOO HOO MILWAUKEE

Congrats Milwaukee

Congrats Crew! Mostly happy for Vogey lol

Former cubs Minor league legend!

“You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.”

https://mason.gmu.edu/~rmatz/giamatti.html

BREW CREW *clap clap clap*

YAAAAAASSSSSSS

Thank you all and it better not be 18 months until the next game!

🍻Rounds of Spotted Cows all around!🍺

Ballgame

Man, I'm so sick of the Brewers.

Congrats Milwaukee

It's been over a decade since I lived in Madison, but I'll always have a soft spot for the Brew Crew. Enjoy it fans.

Finaafuckingly

Congrats to one of the sneakiest most dominant teams in MLB history.

Congratulations Brewers fans, you deserve this

That was a fun series, I wanted 2 more, but congrats MIL!

Man, i'm so not sick of the brewers

Good job August!

I enjoy Vogelbach following Murphy around in the hug line.

Congrats, Brewers!

Sorry to those who have tickets to Game 6 and 7!

Yo 🙁 I wasn’t gonna tempt fate by rooting for Game 6 though.

Every body drink you beers *drink drink drink drink drink drink drink drink drink drink drink drink drink*

I’m a 12 pack in

autocorrect must be doing good work for you

Somehow, Pat Murphy still manages to look serious. Not quite as angry as usual though.

They're reading a statement thanking Rays fans, but most of the people there are Brewers fans.

I have some sympathy. I spent too many games at Camden hearing Red Sox and Yankees fans.

NEW JERSEY MENTIONED!!

Camden Yards.

Darn. I had guessed as Camden NJ is way closer to New York than Camden Yards is, lol. I guess most people in that area are probably Phillies fans, though.

Thanks for everything, Fangraphs people. Not how I wanted it to end, but was a great season in these chats nonetheless.

FanGraphs is wonderful

I got the subscription recently and I'm so glad I did

Only good place on the internet! So much better than… We are all going dateless!

How does anyone NOT love baseball?

I’ve never felt more pedantic about baseball.

I love you FanGraphs. @brewersbibliophile on Bluesky. Find me. Ill

Miss yall

Thanks Fangraphs for making this happen. Best community in sports.

Thank you Fangraphs!

"Almost a home game for us"

we should do this more often

chat for every week of FA/lockout

Thank you, FanGraphs team! Keep it up and hopefully we get a 2027 season!

Thank you FanGraphs!!

Congratulations to the Brewers – a very well-deserved title. And thank you to FanGraphs! This Chicagoan and Cubs fan couldn’t be happier for Brewers fans. Cheers!

I said the same thing about Counsell as I’ll say about Murphy. They’ve gone as far as they’ll go under him. Time to fire the manager and find the next guy!

The power of friendship!!

It really is all about the friends we make along the way.

lol. I love the ******* bleeps. *** yeah. Let's ******* go!

Rosenthal doing his best Mean Gene to Megill's Andre here

Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night! I'm out.

The unsung heroes of this post-season has been the Brewers fans who came in droves to Florida to bring their team the World Series Championship. 3 cheers to all the fans!

I still can't believe the crowd.

I was texting friends and we were talking about what do you do if you are the Rays to make the atmosphere better for you.

Move to a state that's not full of transplant octagenarians

Adios, friends!! See ya on the other side. Thanks for a great month

Well that was something. Congrats to the Brewers and their front office. Amazing accomplishment

I had the volume down, can someone tell me whether the crowd booed Manfred?

Congrats Brewers,, well deserved

Goodnight yall! See ya next year.

They brought the Brewers fans on the field? That's cool!

I think that’s just the brewers employees. They flew 400 of them to the game. Took 3-4 planes.

Chatting with yall has been a highlight of my year!

“We’ll recognize the team in a minute, let’s talk to the head of HR! Get up here!”

A guy who should, but maybe doesn’t, realize nobody cares what he has to say.

And I work in HR so I can say that

you work in… home runs…?

Lolol I wish. Human Resources.

In how many parks would you work in HR though? For the rest of your career, how much xHR do you project?

Yay!!!!!!

Bill trying to give away the hardware to Ashby, gotta love it.

Class move by Contreras calling Ashby up to the podium.

It was, guy is so emotional right now. Wonderful to see

Imagine what it must feel like for a player like Contreras, to work your entire life at the sport and then not only to win your team’s first championship, but to be named MVP of the series.

How wild is it to even be where he is right now. He was a random throw in for a much larger trade.

Early reports says Zips has brewers at 79 wins next year, 4th place finish. /s

thats not bad for an 80 game season

Any podcasts or alternative post game shows out there?

I don’t get to see my nephew very often, but him texting me throughout these playoffs has been a highlight of my life.

Alright, I'm going to close this down. Once again, thanks everyone for a good season.


Members-Only Game Thread: World Series – Oct 27, 2026

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Baby’s posting from the mobile app! Go Sean+team

^^ Thank you for these all month, Sean.

Appreciate this.

Watching with my littles (4 & 7), and we'll see how long they make it tonight.

I am already falling asleep so good luck to them.

Poll is quite certain about a sweep, so far.

Yeah, I feel like we need to make that stock/investment advice…past performance doesn’t guarantee future results

Dustin May is gonna pitch 9 shutout innings

Dustin May is going for his fourth ring, which would tie him with Betts for most among active players. Dustin May!

He’ll _have_ those rings but did he really _earn_ those rings like Betts did…

Honestly kind of unfair to May, the man tore his larynx for god’s sake. (not sure how that applies vis-a-vis rings)

May's ring last year is particularly suspect since he wasn't on the Dodgers when they actually won it

Won't be able to watch this one, but I wanted to thank Sean and co for these chats – they've been an excellent companion for the post season.

Thanks for stopping by!

I second tdmoc’s message, thanks for all the hard work on the revised chat, it’s been great!

Sean, has Fangraphs ever considered having a masthead somewhere? It's only from these chats that I've realized just how much you do, which is truly incredible–I hope you have a properly august title. And there was a very funny moment on EW when Lindbergh didn't realize that Meg had been promoted. How was anyone to know?

We always talk about a masthead, then just don’t make one. Honestly, we’d forget to update it. lol, probably.

People should read the Wikipedia article about FG. It’s really stuck in the past.

Meg got promoted?

You knew this!

Wait when was Meg promoted?

Yeah to Editor in Chief back in Dec 2024. Or around then.

Oh I knew that. I thought maybe she was moved up to “Publisher” or “God-Queen of Greater Fangraphia”

Selfishly hoping it ends tonight because I won't be able to see the remaining games live

I feel like throwing May is a "Well if we win that would be great, But we will win at home anyways" move

I imagine he goes 2, maybe 3 innings tops. But that is needed, they can’t really run out 9 different guys to pitch one inning each.

Get the series wrap ups written, today’s game is just a formality.

I think the Rays definitely have an avenue to win tonight. In particular, they're much more likely to throw their A bullpen arms. And Jax > May. Tomorrow would be much harder but today is quite winnable in my eyes.

Another early challenge today!

Way to show Contreras he's not the only guy who can challenge on the corner.

This game is over! 😫

I only realized from your previous comment that it had started. Still haven't successfully logged on. . .

That throw was not close.

What is the consensus view on the longest possible odds for a legit WS team against another. Lets assume like best player gets hurt, worst starter available is starting, bullpen was used into oblivion last night, its a 4 PM game, facing a team that won 110+ with 1999-2000 Pedro starting… 75/25? 90/10? its not worse than 90-10… Right?

I guess what I'm trying to ask is, what the longest odds ever offered were for a single game?

Jax is nibbling too much. His stuff is good enough to just aim down the middle

At this point just watching to see if (a) the Rays can get one, and (b) Pat Murphy will get Drohan and Harrison in so the whole roster's played.

I don't understand why the broadcast always thinks Martinez is a big part of the pitching plan yesterday and today. Isn't he the expected starter tomorrow? You need to win all the games, you can't just go all out with all your starters tonight.

I think this is from Verducci's pregame interview with Cash? but it doesn't make much sense, and also just sounds too specific, so I suspect he's lying.

Other than the joy of not hearing Smoltz's voice for a long time, why are 60% in favor of the series ending early going into a lockout?

Brewers fans?

60% seems like a lot of Brewers fans, but I guess so.

smaller percentage than those in tampa bay

Brewer fans make up over 60% of fans in the Trop alone

After this we should rewatch the previous World Series together in reverse order 🙂

Robert “literally Sandy Koufax” Gasser

Kornheiser made that comparison on PTI today and I think Pablo's eyes rolled into his head in both shame and shock.

Robert “The Pinky Finger On the Hand of the Left Arm of God” Gasser

Wait until Chandler “literally Rickey Henderson” Simpson

dustin may looks like that kid who wipes ice cream on his forehead to cool down

lol Contreras

He's been doing that all postseason, I do wonder if it does lead to more strike calls

I strongly believe that this sort of psychology will work. People are influenced by perception way more than they want to believe.

The fact that framing has gotten less subtle but still works has an interesting relation to this phenomenon. Even if umpires see someone the catcher is trying to make a pitch look like a strike they are still willing to believe it is one.

Almost feels like James Harden doing crazy s**t and forcing the refs to call him out on it. Would drive me up a wall if I were competing against him but as a spectator I respect the hustle.

I love the Billy Bob Thornton commercial where he just randomly starts talking to the young woman

And no one else is allowed to say a thing.

And I love/hate liberty bibberty

With respect to the idea that people are allowed to enjoy whatever they like, what unholy reason can there be to love bibberty?

I hate/hate liberty bibberty

I didn’t say I was proud of it.

i watch the games on mute, partially because of the announcers, partially to avoid liberty bibberty

Wait I just figured it out. The announcers aren’t announcing for us, they’re announcing for people that have never watched baseball. Or any sport. Or TV.

Jeez, why are we all hating on the horrifying giant mangy tennis ball with human teeth?!?

Hey everybody!

The Rays should sell tickets to watch from the catwalks

How would fan interference work on the A/B/C ring?

thats exactly what the Phantom of Baseball wants them to do

You catch a ball, you get signed to a contract.

Only one way to find out!

If you catch it your team gets a run

If you drop it, you get ejector seated into a surprise bungee jump

If that's an intentional American Dad reference, chef's kiss

The way Simpson moves is strongly reminiscent of Hunter Pence to me.

Yes! 100% co-sign.

Sorta like an athletic alien inhabiting a human body for the first time?

Somebody oughta check on him and see if he has a fused vertebrae like Pence

Oh my God, the Rays are selling tomahawk steaks?

Rarely

Feels like it should have been an ATL thing….

This confused everyone I’m watching with.

Guess in ATL it would have to be a Tomahawk chop?

wheres the thumbs down emoji?? need it for the dad jokes

maybe a job for the thinking emoji

As a Cardinal fan who watched 90% of May’s starts in the first half – my man, what have you done to your beard lol? This guys confidence must be through the roof to rock that.

Yet another use for the thumbs down.

He's sporting the Randy Dobnak

I get the hint.

Can't believe Simpson didn't end up on third on that play.

I tbought he was!

this chandler simpson guy should be higher in the batting order

Looks like the Rays aren’t impressed

A Chandler Simpson extra base hit! Somebody bat this guy 3rd

What was Turang doing there?

Rays absolutely need 1 one run this inning

I have a good feeling

I have zero confidence this lead will last more than an inning

Ugly K.

Which pitcher over 6'5" throws from the lowest arm angle? Sale?

Tyler Rogers is 6'3", so yes

Today I learned the Rogers brothers are only 6'3".

I also immediately looked up Tyler Rogers height

Do we know what Randy J's was?

Randy was much more over-the-top than Sale

Man, do I hate this AI slop Fox seems to love.

Hi everyone, nice to see the Rays lead after two innings

Jiffin Grax sounds like the name of the protagonist of the worst Star Wars fanfic ever written

Get ready for Dax Kilby.

Terrin Vavra, anyone?

I am irrationally upset by the name Tai Peete

i hope fox used millions on tokens to make the stupidest thing i could imagine

Libberty Bibberty?

Bryan's still got it.

This is getting crazy

I feel like Bauers has had a couple of those? Need to work out more?

Just missing the barrel I’d guess

I'm pretty confused about Jax still being around after that Chourio hit.

I suspect Cash wants to get him through the 3rd inning before turning over to the bullpen with possibly another game tomorrow

The walks he's issued don't inspire confidence after a man is already on.

That changeup from Jax is filthy

Jax looks like the evil Nazi in the next Indiana Jones movie

So wait, then who will play the good Nazi or the morally ambiguous Nazi?

While the Jax family has been established in the United States for generations, their lineage blends ancestral roots from the German Rhineland and the British Isles

Stealing on 1-2? Is that normal?

Not convinced that was a swing

It clearly crossed the 45-degree angle if you regress ball spin on arm angle and adjust for humidity

Most people forget the humidity adjustment!

Oh MAN

Not going to show replay on that check swing ?

theyre too busy writing the prompt for AI to make a 2 second interstitial with pat murphy surrounded by vampires

Yeah, not been a huge fan of the swing judgements this series.

Wow, got to give Jax credit for getting through that after the walky inning.

Yandy mixing up the eye black tonight.

You know athletes are creatures of habit if they wear eye black in a dome at night

The also switched the uni's

They are back to wearing their Sam Fuld tribute jerseys

Yandy's eyeblack is growing

It's so funny and depressing to imagine some Fox intern pushing 5 data centers in Utah to the max so they can make a graphic about ABS challenges with William Contreras as Gandalf or whatever

honestly, thats more imaginative than you give them credit, hed just be a wizard in a stupid cartoon purple "moons and stars" gown like hes a cereal character

2 replays of a foul ball zero on the check swing

See, clearly it was no big deal then! Nothing to worry about!

I’m not SUPER impressed with either pitcher. He says while eating chocolate on the couch.

my arm hurts when i throw a baseball now: a story of the internet's harshest pitching critic

The way things are trending, I'm going to have to buy Halloween candy for a 3rd time.

They say chocolate cures cancer

My arm makes accordion noises when I throw.

Did Kalshi just tell me that I should rely on gambling to predict the weather? Is this a soft launch of the new NOAA?

liberty bibberty is now the secretary of education

Contreras under eye slowly moving to mouth

Rays watched some highlight reels!

DeLuca is having a really nice night out there

What a catch

man one of these hart hit balls is gonna find grass at some point, right

Nice to see the Rays remember they're good at defense

Brewers need to stop hitting rockets and start hitting more Texas leaguers

Rays secret weapon tonight – pitching to hard contact.

Huge, high risk catch. Jump looked a little confused on reply, but great catch. Eyes tracking it was good replay.

To think, there's an alternate universe out there with Paul DeLuca and Jonny Lo Duca instead of the other way around

And so it begins.

Fable reference?

Nope, just trying to sound portentous.

Brewers see two outs as an insult

And here. we. go.

Frelick was sick of watching Rays make nice catches against him.

Team of destiny

I like that the patch on the left arm of Jax looks like it just says Rays WET from the camera angle.

there we go. finally not catchable balls

GREAT slide view

im on a little bit of a delay, but why was the broadcast showing the back of a sign

It glitched

Tampa's falling apart again.

There's no destruction like self-destruction.

the rays have not hit a ball harder then 90mph. the brewers have hit 8

That's a great challenge buy Hicks, whose made plenty of questionable ones this series

I can't believe Jax is still in

I think he'll be out next inning

Gutsy, gutsy outing by Jax so far

OK so now Cash has told us to look out for Nick Martinez. Rasmussen on 3 days' rest tomorrow?

This completely blows my mind. Maybe tomorrow is Seymour?

Matz??

I think they'll be happy to figure that issue out if they can actually get to tomorrow

Or maybe Martinez is Yamamoto-ing from here on out

I told you all that Cash was jealous of Vogt's MOTY awards.

I know we talked about postseason game logs yesterday and how we didn't really have them on player pages. That's no longer the case: https://www.fangraphs.com/players/jackson-chourio/28806/game…

Incredible.

Thanks for that Sean! Glad I asked you about it.

Thank you!!

Wow

Was he out of the baseline

What on earth was that

oy yoy yoy

Had to be out of the baseline

What constitutes the baseline there? It's judgement right?

i think baselines are fake and runners should be able to go anywhere they want

I watched that Josh Harrison play in 2014. I stopped believing in baselines that day.

I think he stayed in the baseline, but that is not reviewablle

I'm not sure what you can review there.

Not a throw Hamilton probably should've made but I'd have liked to see Bauers come off 1B to keep that from getting away.

Baffling turn of events. I think he was out of the baseline, but challenging the tag is bizarre when the baseline element isn't challengeable

i knew chandler wasnt gonna be doubled off, but its hilarious for the camera to pan over and me to hold my breath seeing how close it is, only for chandler to be in RF already

simpson, chandler simpson
he's the greatest guy in history
from the
town of springfield
he's about to hit a chestnut tree

I need that Simpson Simpsons t-shirt in a medium post haste.

I heard something about 3 feet from where the tag is attempted but that seems super arbitrary… anyone know the actual rule?

So…it seems like I might have cursed Chandler Simpson.

Now there's a baseline.

baselines. are. fake.

That's just really, really bad with RH power at the plate vs. Romero.

Why is the baseline rule non-reviewable? My contention is that most non-reviewable plays should be reviewable.

Everything becomes more litigious. NFL tried that with pass interference and stopped that real quick.

I guess Cash/Jax are going for the complete game tonight.

Hamilton!

Before I could even type "Jax is still in there?"

These Brewers man.

Uh, well, that's making amends for the defensive misplay.

Sort of a reverse conservation of greatness for us ultimate nerds.

Greetings fellow scientific ultimate nerd. Stealing when winning by too much is a spirit foul

This is a good game.

can we put links in here? friend sent me the Chandler Simpson T-shirt link

Yeah, I just approve the links.

That is Not What You Want on an 0-2

I don't love second guessing people with inside info, but why Jax again?

Really not even a bad pitch. Just went up and got it

All because of the threat of the bunt.

David Hamilton, he of the .091 ISO…

Destiny is weird

Is Hamilton the new Enrique Hernandez? He's not just a different hitter in the postseason, he's a different category of hitter.

Maybe he's Daniel Murphy-ing

This IS a good game.

Two outs so this is where they make thirteen runs

Or not

Meg and Craig need to do something about the lack of Dog Park ads in the World Series

I’ve seen several new ads today. I’m unreasonably pleased.

I got a new one, but it is for a movie remaking a story from 200+ years ago that has been made 250000000 times

Same

Hollywood doesn’t read new books

Chandler Simpson shirt appears to be a Jomboy product. https://shop.jomboymedia.com/products/chandler-simpson

Martinez warming.

So if they win and keep winning, Rasmussen on short rest tomorrow, Martinez game 6, Peralta game 7?

Rasmussen and pray for…well rain wouldn't work

Is it bad form to point out that really really hard rain did work to stop baseball in the Trop?

They seem very reluctant to use Rasmussen on even regular rest so I'd be shocked to see them use him on short rest

Dodgers ran Ohtani on short rest last October in a do-or-die. It…didn't work for those few innings but they were willing to try

Well, yeah, but I'm confused by the plan all around.

Love Uribe when he’s on

F cancer

Antonym of Murderer's Row is 'Mesa Jr., Palacios, Walls'.

Jaywalker's Row

"There's no game 5 without winning game 4" is true sure but the goal is to win the World Series, not avoid a sweep. I disagree strongly with this move

Rays pulling out all the stops

Using Martinez before Baker here feels indefensible

Got to keep him for the save /sarc

I love when a team gets desperate with the pitching during the WS.

Only when its not the team I am supporting.

What a lot of people don’t know about Nick Martinez is he has the jimmy legs.

Restless leg syndrome

Now I want the Rays to win just to see what Cash will do tomorrow.

Maybe Murphy will get Misiorowski up now

This is my whole reason for supporting Tampa tonight… I want one more Miz start!

I’m getting word Cade Smith is warming in the bullpen

The Rays honestly could use a Grant Taylor to pitch the rest of the game

Its not 10-0… I am confused….

Louis Varland is up too

2 out base hit. Water is wet. Etc.

They can’t even keep Martinez in the frame for a close up shot.

Wow

How did Simpson field that

Who are the rookies in this game? Chourio, Pratt, …?

Chourio is a 3 year mlb veteran

Uhh I mean NOT Chourio

Who is excited for the Highlander remake?

Maybe?

Is a French guy playing a Scottish guy and a Scottish guy playing a Spanish guy?

Cavill is Macleod. Crowe is the spanish guy. So not quite.

Currently in the game, or on the roster? Lara is a rookie.

I think Mesa qualifies as a rookie too

Henderson

If the same team had Grant Taylor, Louis Varland and Cade Smith, would they be able to go with a 4 man rotation?

Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeez

Ooooof.

woah

This defense is so so good. I love great offense, but something about absurd defense wins out

Every margin play it feels like

That's some destiny right there

Oof, that's so deflating.

Oof.

The Rays have to stop hitting it so hard.

John “soft contact wins” Smoltz is completely vindicated!

OK, John Smoltz

Nothing he could do about that

That was beautiful

Wow!

Bruuuuuutal bad BABIP luck

Ouch. Don't even want to see the exit velo.

108.1 mph off the bat with a .890 xBA. So of course it's a double play.

i am remembering that gidp that stanton hit directly at bobby witt jr that he just had to laugh at

Dammit, did I miss the ultimate frisbee nerdery?

shoot did i miss it too!?

I am still here for it. I forget who I was responding to, but there are dozens of us! Dozens!

a salty scientist it was!

god i miss frisbee. i am so bad at it

I've never played anything more welcoming of new or bad players. Love the general attitude of it being for everyone. You somewhere with a pickup group?

@solitaire Denver. Yeah, the cult of frisbee has to be pretty welcoming 🙂

Maybe stop hitting it toward Turang. . .

Would TB have been more successful if they had an actual home field advantage vs such a high amount of away fans? Like give then a Philly environment

Most guys with crazy batspeed look like they swing really hard or are enormous… Jr is neither of these things

Ashby gets the 7th+, right?

After 2 days off Ashby will pitch innings 7-12

Effectively makes the game feel over

Is it too late for Ashby as Cy Young?

He had it wrapped up by the All Star Break

I mean yeah, he’s probably not going to get to 500 career wins.

My local bar prioritized local regular season nba and nhl over the WS on the TV’s tonight 🫠

What’s your market?

Boston

That's very Boston.

I guess I sorta get it. There’s probably more interest for those teams. In surprised they don’t have enough TVs for all three though.

I was going to guess Toronto. Passionate NHL and NBA market who can't possibly feel like watching the away team hoist the commissioner's trophy in a Domed ballpark.

In Boston, the baseball season ended September 30th. There's a rumor there are still some games someplace but Bostonians know better.

Yeah, cheaped out on just two boxes

That is also very Boston.

won't someone think of the David Hamilton superfans??

You’d better believe a few are still doing the Keno though (also very Boston / here’s your sign)

Why are Joe Davis and people here saying there's nothing Yandy Diaz could do on that line drive? Taught forever to just freeze on a line drive until you know it's through. He should not have take 2 steps on that liner. It was a good catch, not an unbelievable catch.

How long do they ride Martinez here? Until he gives up a baserunner?

Now that you've burned him you gotta get everything you can, right? You're gonna need a fresh bullpen if there's a tomorrow

He's got the changeup working and the Rays might take a while to score a run, I think as long as his stuff looks good Martinez is going to get to work for a while

Makes sense. Obviously you gotta win this game but even if you do there are three more to win.

I think I’d struggle to hit Martinez’s change- up.

i'd struggle to hit a padded wall

That could have been scary

My wife's analysis of Martinez is he has to pee and thats where his set up dance comes from

Whatever he’s taking for restless leg syndrome, it’s not working.

Raffel Betancourt used to do this too at a much much slower tempo… I have always wondered how he would have delt with the pitchclock … Now I know

similar to cl*vinger

Very sure he never existed.

you know what you're right.

Is Palacios getting the yips?

Palacios with the 30-grade throw

It's that time: what's everyone's favorite stretch?

I love a good calf stretch

Pigeon or happy baby

I particularly enjoy a good stretch after a fulfilling meal.

piriformis-involved stretches

Willie McCovey

corpse pose

Different kind of stretch, but partial to the Thera-cane over the traps and shoulders

Anything but sweet Caroline

standing up and stretching and going "uuuaaawwwwwhhhh"

waking up in the morning scrunched into a small pellet of human and having to extend every joint i have and scream along with the cacophony of creaking and crackling and the searing pain

i am a relatively long human who contracts very heavily in their sleep

I am imagining the inverse of those dinosaur-sponge-in-a-capsule toys

Why does Joe Davis think people want him to spoil the challenges?

AGAIN!

Nick Martinez vs Jacob Wilson is a matchup I'd watch

That would be a great super cut

Kevin Gausman has faced Jacob Wilson. I don't know how to get the video but I bet it's entertaining

Channeling that Shaq / cat meme

Watching a guy like Martinez battle is damn fun to watch.

Turang, human vacuum at the keystone.

very surprised Hall not Ashby

Ashby for the boppers

The last 3 batters have made 4 Turang-induced outs

Oh hey Baker is on the roster

I like using Baker for the heart of the order in the 8th, assuming he can't go more

Rays failing the Turang Test.

This wins on so many levels with the FG crowd

That's 5 Turang-induced outs in 4 batters

See what happens when you don't hit it to Turang?

The MLB record for the most consecutive outs credited to a single defensive position player in a game belongs to Jerry Grote, who recorded 10 consecutive putouts on April 22, 1970

This probably had to do with strikeouts, right? Grote being a catcher

That's all Tom Seaver

What about non-catchers?

Man… Mesa Jr could've used a big hit there in a bad way.

On June 25, 1937, right fielder Ben Chapman set the MLB outfielder record by recording 7 consecutive putouts in a row.

I see Google Gemini got it right the second time. 😉

correct. Just fun. Not claiming any credit or doing any looking beyond a casual search.

Ok, now what about non-racists?

As I pointed out yesterday, the "team of destiny" screenplay requires Yelich to hit a home run. This is the at bat. I acknowledge that he has not inspired confidence that he can hit the ball out of the infield this series, singles and walks not withstanding. Just putting this here so I get some credit if it happens.

Chapman was one of Jackie Robinson’s worst antagonists, no?

i do not know how much we have advanced in the past 50 years such that we can pick a fielder who has made many consecutive putouts (not interrupted by balls in play, no outs?) who is definitively Not Racist. but that could also be my biases

I guess someone needs to ask Turang some tough questions 😆.

Oh, well.

Kinda love the use of Baker here.

Yeah, and getting three outs on so few pitches is huge.

Huh, Baker pretty helpful after all

It makes sense to go down swinging with your best arms, and Tampa doesn't have the Brewers murderer row (ie, Ashby + Megill)

if a one-inning arm has a very short inning, at what point do you go to him for another inning? 8 pitches? 5? 3?

@milville, MIN and NYY flairs must've given you some strange emotions the last couple decades

i'm still looking for funny combos of letters moreso than teams, and have barely been alive for multiple decades. however this is very funny and true, and didi gregorius may be my eternal enemy?

What are you doing hanging out here at the old folks’ home??

Your description of waking up made me assume you were over 40

i have joint/soft tissue problems

millville's flairs aren't about teams

Who is next in for TB? Wells? Cleavinger? I assume not Booser

Is Brice Turang tall Kinsler? The offensively potent IKF? Vanilla Jazz?

say what you will about ikf's bat but he's a heckuva pitcher

Nah, Vanilla Jazz is like Pat Metheny.

+2, w metheny ref

I also stand corrected : Turang and Kinsler both listed at 6’0”

how can a guy named Didi be an eternal enemy?

Isnt it SIR Didi?

a Rays batter challenging? Now I've seen everything

Ump wanted to see what would happen

Turang is alt universe Brandon Crawford: better hitting, slightly weaker defense

This is giving Brandon Crawford too much credit (ignore my flair; I promise I'm not biased, totally not)

Why does the ad about new college students not knowing how to do laundry feature a guy who appears to be in his mid 30s?

I think he's in all the ads this year.

I cannot get on board with advertising cinematic universes

Bring back Lily

drafted out of southern california

well he's clearly not max muncy

Not *a* Max Muncy.

He's the thing, there are other forms of Max you can be

Maxmaxxing?

Hello Dan!

Kinsler may have been embellishing though, how many guys' listed heights changed with the beginning of ABS this year

Game 3 of the 2004 ALCS was a blowout and then game 4 was an extra innings game. Just saying, maybe?

neither of the maxes muncy are comparable to turang

Should be that you have no duplicate names. Already a Max Muncy in the majors? Fine, you can be Maxwell Muncy or Maximillian Muncy or Max Power Muncy.

sag/aftra rules?

This would be hard to enforce for the Luises Garcia

Or Max Munchy

How would we deal with the Luises Garcia? or is it Luis Garcias

Hahaha lzfreak, same thought

someone breaks the mold to be luiz garcia

This is particularly a problem for the Yuniors Marte, neither of whom has a middle initial!

I once had a fantasy transaction where I picked up Luis Garcia and dropped Luis Garcia

There was once a Luiz Gohara

i think the real answer is we'd see a lot more matronyms

I like how we just settled on one being “sea bass” and the other 2+ duking it out for relevancy with the Alex Gonzalez bunch

Hey I remember him

Need a poll! How many innings does this game go?

done

I decided I should be fashionably late so that the game doesn't go long enough for you all to tire of me.

This is a somewhat better game than last night.

Hi Dan!

like michael b. jordan

Minor quibble, but he should have gone with Michael Jordan (b).

Davy, I had a dream that you and Ben had a podcast called Bendavy and say "Ahh"

We'll get right on that.

Wait did Yandy fix the eye black?

Omg if I see one more HP commercial I’m going to…not buy one.

Dude you’re not getting a HP

Are ad breaks longer in the World Series? The mid inning reliever switches make it feel like watching a compilation of ads with a few moments of baseball in between

They're half a minute longer than the regular season!

That'll help interest!

2:15 for regular games, 3:10 for WS games. Nationally broadcast games during the season are 2:40.

The extra time really adds up.

Someone should do a tic-tac-toe eye black and if the pitcher gets you out, they get to put the O and if you reach base, you get to put an X.

Oh man, I hate ridiculous eye black, but I love this.

i do actually think keeping score on your face could be fun

Eyeblack hangman – they strike you out they get to guess K. You fly out, an F is guessed, etc. Object is to stay alive for the game. Good luck if you GIDP.

no Yandy still had his design

I love that the poll goes from 9 to 35

Oh, and hi Davy too!

If the game goes 35 innings I'll hate the Nick Martinez relief appearance for a completely different reason

booo hiss thumbsdown thumbsdown

Sean cracked a dad joke so bad even he couldn't handle it

Instead of longer ad breaks, have they considered selling in-game sponsorship? "This at bat is sponsored by L'Oreal, because you're worth it"

stay the HELL away from brandon marsh l'oreal. you dont want to know what's in there.

What if MLB and Project Runway switched corporate sponsors

Er, they’ve pretty much already done that. In addition to the longer ad breaks…as was inevitable.

The playoff bracket itself is sponsored: https://www.mlb.com/postseason

How long until Blue Chew gets involved? "Blue chew, get some wood on it"

Seemed like a good idea until Cialis decided to sponsor a Junk-Mastrobuoni at bat.

I’m working from home tomorrow with no scheduled meetings or calls. I’m in for whatever.

we're not talking enough about how the Brewers' custom protective cups have affected this series

This is an effectively wild topic if I've ever heard one

do you think jazz would have done better this season if he'd had one of those

OMG

"This Cal Raleigh appearance is brought to you by Cologuard."

Mitchell shoulda hit that one out of the park

No, he should have made soft contact!

The defense again – just wow. No words (obviously not as good as Simpson's catch yday)

I mean all he did was catch it

Hitting a homer is the optimal strategy

Homers kill rallies, Dan /sarcasm

Wow

Brewers just don’t have the strength

Dan, would you have the capability, if you wanted to, to build a live version of Zips? Basically, likelihood for each team to score in an inning assuming no pinch-hitters (which in extra innings would also give you the likelihood for the game to be extended)? I'm not suggesting you should do this, just wondering about the feasibility. . .

Gotta get Yelich back up tonight so he can hit the scripted homer, so whatever that takes.

David actually has the bits and pieces from the ZiPS matchup tool that he could put it together

Fascinating.

Could individual players get their bats sponsored? Like could Jake Burger have a McDonalds logo on his bat?

I'm not internetty smart enough to do it myself

My GOAT gonna give the brewers the win here

Man so many pitches taken right down the middle

it's good strategy to take down the middle, nod knowingly and purse your lips

I'm torn in that I'm kinda rooting for the Brewers, but only when we get to 7 games. I take more baseball over either team winning

Really hard to imagine a situation where I'd root for a sweep.

I'm for Brewers in either 4 or 5, because I have a conference starting Thursday.

out

Ugh another too close to call

You gotta challenge this, but I don't know if there's enough to overturn it

I thought that was out as it happened.

He's certainly out, but might not be enough on replay

Sure looks like he got the oven mitt

Palacios pulling his glove away from the hand to try and tag the body is crazy to watch in slomo

I'm not sure there's enough there

Um, why is it taking this long.

Trying to avoid a "stand"

Looks like stands to me

Reasons

It looks clearly out to me, but my eyesight isn’t great 😆.

I think he missed him by like 1/4 inch.

Davis and Smoltz disagree!

I don’t think there’s enough to overturn

unrelated but i bake so much bread and yet i own zero oven mitts. these baseball players and their handwear upset me greatly

See, my inclination is to root for John Smoltz being sad

We need them to zoom in.

even enhance a little bit

Wow!

Wrong call

Wait, why don't you use oven mitts? Oven mitts are great.

because i don't have them! the store is so far away, and i don't want to give jeff money over something so trivial. i just use a kitchen towel

Who chooses the bumper music?

I haven't seen anything convincing. But 🤷‍♂️

Was not expecting that.

NY paid off

Oh wow

Score one for my aging eyes! 🥂

Lmao Smoltz thought he had the definitive safe angle

I think he very well may have: all the wrong motivations to call him out / try to extend the series on mlb’s end?

Quite literally a perfect throw by Hicks.

We will at least get one more inning of baseball this year

He was clearly out of the basepath

I hate that this game has gotten to the point that we stop and take five minutes to see if a ball was .0007 inches away

Even more than ENHANCE scenes in TV murder shows where they create higher resolution out of nowhere, it always bugs me that they're not starting with a good shot in the first place. "OK, let's start with the suspect's license plate from 300 feet away shot."

We need Dana Scully to tell them that the resolution is too poor and it won't help much to enhance it.

i watched "the conversation" for class and got to see "zoom, enhance" but for audio. you're a literal sound designer. you work with tape. you should know better.

Catchers seem to be throwing way more toward the first base side these days for exactly this reason.

That's just about the first break that hasn't gone the Brewers' way

I feel like they weren’t lucky early in the game too

This would be a good moment for Max Scherzer to go to the mound and we can find out if anyone's brave enough to get him off of it

Even tho I’m for the Brews I hope the Rays walk it off

Chandler Simpson walk-off.

inside the park, please

Walk-off bunt.

With Simpson it should be called a "run-off"

Visions of Scott Podsednik

i'm rooting for him hitting it through the roof of the trop ohtani/tokyo dome style

"Now pitching for both teams…Max Scherzer, apparently."

FIFA this past summer really ruined my opinion of replay's use in sports. Like something like this overturn, he *probably* gazed the oven mitt, but I didn't see anything definitive. I'd rather go with the call in the moment than overturn and find things wrong that aren't called in the moment and aren't obviously wrong.

The dehumanization of baseball

The problem is that the rule's preference for keeping the call on the field – you need a high level of certainty to overturn – is not honored. But getting rid of it altogether will bring immediate and obvious regrets. You can't pretend video isn't there when it is.

Megill throwing only five pitches in a game that could go to extras. Hmmm

I think this is fine since his team is up 3-0

Abby has 13 innings in him

fair, Megill's well positioned for tomorrow. Maybe he can start for the Rays

There will come a time, I think in the fairly near future, when no one remembers either Harry Belafonte or the original Beetlejuice. Will Day-O finally be put to rest at that point?

Just think how long WWRY hung around and the staying power of 7NA… as im told "a good song never dies"

Seven Nation Army is an actual good song though.

Wow, gotta challenge that

I'll admit, I want a Caminero walkoff and a "we will see you tomorrow night" call

Dude, someone needs to tell Joe Davis that he is ruining the whole challenge system.

The whole point is that it's fun to see the little graphic.

He's also the ruining the whole "good play-by-play" thing

We got a mean of 13.6 innings for the game. Median 11 inning. A couple jokesters chose 35 innings.

i choose to believe that it lasts through any potential lockout until spring training

asf123, you'd take away the only calypso song that everyone knows?

If they played the whole song, that would be fine!

I like the song clip enforcement song. "You can do Walking in Sunshine, but you have to reserve a buttload of time and play the ENTIRE firetrucking song"

Yeah, I watched a little of the Rays’ clinching postgame, and I was thinking “Wait, are they *still* playing ‘Walking on Sunshine’ on a constant loop?”

I understand this is not timely and everyone is tired of talking about it, but I'm caring for a newborn and this is my free moment: what was the final split on the 'Did Yandy swing?' poll? Thanks for doing these game threads, it's been fun dropping in when I can!

I have that!

I feel like it was pretty even

I don't know the answer to your question but congrats!

55/45 yes

I feel like the yeses came in later, and the no was more instant.

I'm calling it first: day-o will outlast Oh Yeah

Tell you what, you can keep anything else if ”Everybody clap your hands” is forever eliminated. Deal?

👏👏👏👏👏

Why is it so hard to throw to first?

35 innings! 35 innings!

Caminero looks very not 100%.

18 innings and Yusmeiro Petit gets the W

Extras! I love postseason extra innings!

Here we go.

extree, extree!

cant wait for the HR derby to resolve this

I have plans tomorrow, friday, and saturday, so i hope this ends tonight!

76 in the chat. It was 40-something 30 minutes ago.

Welcome, everyone!

I wonder how many we'd get if this was Game 7 of LAD-TOR.

I think I was pacing my living room for that one and wouldn't be able to look at a computer

I am fully onboard with the abolition of the Manfred Man as a sticking point in negotiations… just call it a draw in the regular season.

Simpson getting his first ever barrel and walking it off would be the funniest thing ever.

I don't mind if there are more games, but I'm eventually going to have to go to the bathroom, and for a Kindle amount of time

There should be a break for this around the 14th inning

Simpson inside-the-park home run after he's tagged at third and he splits in half because he's two tiny Chandler Simpsonlettes inside a Chandler Simpson homonculus, and one of them scores

Brewers win 2.5 to 2?

this explains his gait (it does not at all)

no clue why Ortiz didn't challenge the 0-1 pitch (felt way outside)

i think after 18 innings they should allow reentry of substituted players. at 27, the roster expands to the 10 closest fans behind the dugout. at 45, the game ends. at 72, the game restarts from a save state. at 90, the cba is forcibly overwritten

This seems reasonable

So we'd see Front Row Amy and Marlins Man bat?

and after 91 you just flip a coin

roll in Bud Selig to do the shrug emoji like in that All-star game

I think after 13 innings everybody just gets to nap on the field for 25 minutes.

The home team is required to provide blankets.

Every time Aranda moves to make a play I mentally assume there will be no outs recorded

After 13 innings, a win should count as 2 games

millvillemeltdown, how about after 18 innings, plays who retired and last played with the teams may re-enter the game.

Or maybe after 18 innings BOTH teams lose. The series goes back to 2 to negative one

This

baumann from game 9 of the world series: please let me go home

I think after 12 innings they need to remove 1 defender each inning until it is just pitcher and catcher.

After ten innings each team gets to pick a player from the team they defeated during the post

Give Smoltz the 19th…for both teams

Two immaculate innings, naturally

The team with more small ball gets Smoltz. The other team gets Davis

Every time I see Chourio I am sad that I am not listening to Scott Franzke saying JACKson

In the 20th inning remove one defender hockey style

This is not the Brews best game, Rays can take them

Will Bauers finally hit one hard enough to get out to dead center?

Or see 30 pitches

After 20, bring in Schwarber for the swing-offs

Has Jonny DeLuca ever been introduced to Paul LoDuca?

After 12 innings, Rob Manfred and the head of the MLBPA have to pitch and the winner gets to pick one item in the next CBA.

This would actually be higher stakes than winning the WS

Flags fly forever…CBA's are temporary

How can this keep happening?

Oh… oh no.

dear lord

After 12 innings, the benches clear and they play beer pong.

That’s totally unfair with a team from Wisconsin. Come on.

How is that call not clear??

OoOoOoOoOoH

Oof

Big yikes

So many mental errors

After 15 innings they close one eye

Oh noooooooooo

No harm. Just foul.

Got it done

No worries Bauers has nothing

yelling "I got it" is for amateurs

It's too bad this is a 3-0 game 4 because it's been quite exciting

I only tuned in like 2 innings ago and just saw the one F&$%in racist Republican ad, have there been more?

You know the answer to this

I saw one where Republicans said "liberals are the new racists". So at least they admit they've been racist this whole time.

"nyerr, we're the og racists" is maybe not the own they thought it would be

After the 12th inning you move the fences in 5 feet and it's 5 more feet each additional inning

Love this!!

The first two were tense as well. And last night's had something we've never seen before. For a potentially short series, it's been pretty damn good.

After thirteen half the team is replaced by Savannah Bananas

Rather, each additional inning leads to an additional Banana Ball rule

OK Brewer fan, getting Ashby glasses, cool, but growing the same beard? Now you're weird

Simpson walk off little league home run starting from a bunt please

I think Simpson and Contreras should just arm wrestle

I would also accept Simpson triple followed by walk off steal of home

After 13, the defense has to wear the oven mitts.

on both hands!

Rasmussen unlikely for tomorrow

Just need a "Homer Simpson" headline

Aaron Ashby for Congress.

ugh, my parents are about to be repped by Mark Teixeira

how fast was that throw to first?

135 mph

i think playing pokemon vgc in my spare time has broken me because i hear a speed -> 135 -> "chien-pao flutter mane miraidon korai-"

Aaron Ashby for lenscrafters

That was a bullet.

that Ashby throw to first

No wait, call-in vote for best under eye wins!

Has anyone been to a baseball park and left thinking “You know what? What this experience was really missing was a DJ.”?

That needs to be added to his pitch count. 100 to Bauers

does bauers have a pitch count yet

outs top 6

Pat Murphy for apocalypse leader

Perhaps not the best swing decision there by Mesa.

Petriello just posted the Statcast data on the throw: 79.7 mph.

You mean 179.7, right?

Points in favor of my psychology theory on the ability of others to influence actions and decisions here. I saw the play before the chat about it and honestly thought it was not that high effort of a throw.

doesnt chris davis have a pitcher win under his belt

You bet he does!

he struck out David Ortiz!

2012!

This is the at bat.

Welp, can’t end the series now

That one doesn’t quiiiite have the distance.

called it that time

i forgot about the wells walls convergence and got very confused by who was pitching

Now that Tyler Wade has retired, someone has to take the baton. Or maybe Taylor Ward retired? No, I think it was Wade.

Speaking of Tyler Wade, I cannot see his name and not think about how Ohtani used to exclusively call him “ikemen,” which means “hot guy” in Japanese.

I give up.

but also i hope taylor walls appears as pitcher briefly

Where's Taylor Ward when ya need him

Has anyone seen Dan and his Kindle? It's been a minute.

Maybe it has to happen, after two losses, in Milwaukee …

i really, really want them to clinch at home

In case you're all wondering, the game will end as soon as my daughter wakes up with a dirty diaper and I have to stop watching. Should be in the next 45 minutes.

let's see how many outs occur in the intervening time

Lotta poop related end game conditions from the staff

Other kind of dirty diaper.

I have an 18 month old and a 4 month old, your Early Shift series ran at the perfect time to remind me the hardest part was over but also about to start again. I thoroughly enjoyed reading those, thank you. I'm so tired.

Peyton Manning has SO much money, why did he become spokesman for yet another company? Dude must just love doing commercials

line must go up

You think there’s such a thing as “enough money?” Welcome to America, komrade.

His agent needs to eat too

Who has more? Peyton or John Cena?

Barkley, Shaq… I feel like we're forgetting someone else

Also the bats in the header got me again. I thought there were bugs on my screen. Please can I turn them off lol

Yes, you can.

Click on your name. You can change it in your settings there

Click your name on the top right, click Seasonal Banner until it says Off.

But know that you will be hurting Sean's feelings.

I've liked the other ones!!! I'll turn them back on for Thanksgiving

“Ghost runner” shouldn’t be an option. Sorry not sorry 😆.

I might make a batless one next year. I don't have a good idea for Thanksgiving yet. We'll do snow/Christmas lights again.

It's the bats going left to right that are the issue for me

brave to bring Boozer in here I gotta say

I don't think Carlos Boozer is playing rn

Is Cam?

my partner on the need for a grounds crew here: "It's that fidgety dude. He did it."

hmmm i wonder to whom they may be referring to

Martínez is like a cat about to take a dump.

at least his k strut does not simulate cat post-dump

Wish commentary would have laid out for that. Grounds crew work is top notch ASMR

don't you mean Baseball Zen

As a former pitcher, blaming the mound is such a classic strategy. Rarely pays off

i really want to point a shotgun microphone at rich hill or payton tolle or just one of those notable grunters to get a really crispy high def sound

*grunts*

😖

The beginning of this sentence really had me worried.

wait til you hear what they call the windscreens

I sat front row at the visiting bullpen at an Indy Indians game to watch Rich Hill warm up last year. It was glorious. I said "can we get a selfie" and he said "not right now" and then never gave me another chance to ask, which was totally fair and I'll remember the experience forever

Ump is up past their bedtime

New way to win in extras first one to find the buried treasure in the mound!

digging towards ronald acuña jr's secret gambling den

If you find that you definitely are the loser

Booser doing everything he can other than throw pitches

Oh, your PitchCom “isn’t working?” Fine, you can do hand signals.

Turang should definitely run now

Everything is a swing this series.

Yes. The consistency is appreciated but I'd prefer more leniency across the board

I could go either way with what's a swing or not; just be consistent.

if the Rays win, Jax, Martinez, Baker, Wells threw 20+ tonight. could Peralta throw an inning tomorrow? Rasmussen in relief/bulk? otherwise they have Cleavinger, Matz, Seymour, Sulser; Kelly threw only 12 tonight; and Booser if they win now

cameron "bedro paez" booser

(i definitely meant to type pedro baez but, sure!)

Rays gotta win it here I think

at least MIL will have Megill behind Mis.

Had to do a bunch of stuff before bed. I gather this game is still going somehow? And Ashby is somehow still pitching? Is this like a time loop thing or something?

Curious at people's thoughts of Murphy only using Megill for one batter?

could be very handy in game 5

but weird to use Ashby for 7 batters then no?

He's got more quality options than Cash

Truly hilarious to bring in a new pitcher to face Walls.

Walls gotta feel good about chasing Ashby

Is Ashby having the best relief postseason in mlb history?

Ask the Mailbag!!!

Still A. Miller

Up there with Andrew Miller I’d guess

Depends on your definition of "relief," surely. See Yamamoto, Eovaldi, etc.

Correction: Ask Mailbag.

He's the first RP to open a postseason with 16.2 scoreless IP in MLB history according to TheScore app push notification I got.

has mailbag been eating enough?

2003 Rivera had 16 innings 0.56 ERA and a 0.44 WHIP.

Which Id adjust for run environment as being on par with this

Wow this is such an interesting hook

the legend of Taylor Wallops grows

Makes sense in that Walls isn’t going to get a hit regardless of who’s pitching. Beyond that..

Wallskoff now guaranteed

Walls last base hit was nine days ago.

so he's due

He’s due!!! /s

same hat david

Beat me to it

Senzatela as the potential winning pitcher in a deciding World Series game is such an odd outcome to contemplate.

/points at "2025 World Series Legend Will Klein" cross-stitch

Super relief ace or recent member of the Colorado Rockies. Murphy overthought this

Im going to laugh when Walls hits a walk-off HR here

I meant this in the 15th inning when he's up next

Yandy plz I need to go to bed

If we get to tomorrow I think Matz has to take some bulk innings, no?

Matz might be bulk pitching tonight still

Fair point.

Uh oh, Bill is fallible.

ABS system got it wrong that time.

That's the only explanation.

Contreras cannot fail, he can only be failed.

CONTRERAS MADE AN ABS ERROR I've seen everything now

Do you trust ABS, or do you trust Contreras?

If its within like 0.2 inches should we really overturn the call? Gotta be within margin of error right?

We don't need an 18-inning game EVERY world series…

Max Muncy has signed a one day contract with the Tampa Bay Rays

nonsense

Jorge Mateo always seemed very likeable when he was with the O's. I hope he gets to win a World Series game

1,2,3 of the Rays order has to produce something

Senzatella has a place in my heart by being one of the rare pitchers whose delivery looks like it belongs to a position player pitcher.

I remember when Yankee fans thought Jorge Mateo was the Second Coming of Derek Jeter

Hate this PR call here

Agree. Fewer than two outs, maaaaybe.

I wonder what the % likelihood of a run is here with a better runner compared to a worse one. I can't imagine the pinch runner adding that much expected value with 2 outs.

I feel like I'd rather keep Yandy available AND save the PR for a higher run probability situation

The double clutch…oof.

Too high

I should go to bed now. but also Steven Matz should go to bed now

Have to go to bed. Good night, all. Sean, thanks again for making all of this happen!

Thanks for stopping by and being a Member.

Well thats gonna be a no from me dawg

Good night to everyone on the east coast being responsible!

At what point during an extra inning game without the Manfred Man is it appropriate to just start swinging for the fences?

2nd inning

I have it on good authority from John Smoltz that you always want to make soft contact.

this is why we love steven kwan !!!

Not a fan of that PR. It's not Billy Hamilton for like 2017 Albert Pujols or something

Baseball fans: we want more baseball, please don't let the Brewers sweep.

Baseball Gods: Best we can do is a 20 inning game.

Anyone dressing up for Halloween? Does the FG staff do anything for it?

I like dressing up. I don't like spending time to procure a costume. I have a friend and he has always taken it seriously now his family of four has a theme every year. Usually it's something Marvel-esque.

if this game doesnt end on a yeli bomb, maybe he's the pitcher of record?

Derek Jr. is going as a pumpkin.

Remember: 27 more innings this game is the same as getting three more games!

This game feels like it should now end with Yandy's spot coming up in a key situation

lol of course

My God, STFU, DJ.

You can't be serious.

BOOM

I demand we see Miz for the bottom of the 12th now.

I would also accept Woodruff I suppose

or yelich. it could still be yelich

WOAHHHH

Wow. Not the best of times for Seymour.

I love the crowd.

put the kid to bed, dealt with a tantrum, and just sat down to see a home run

No doubter

Pratt, Hamilton, Frelick. just like they drew it up

none of them with 5+ homers in the reg season

None of them with a iso above .100

pooper cratt !?!? almost like my pooper cat ….

(he had worms)

Just a total hanger.

Those were some terrible seats behind Drohan

so who closes for MIL? Not gonna be Harrison or Woodruff I imagine (the latter's stuff didn't look great yday)

I imagine it'll be Senzatella for Caminero then Drohan after him

Has Drohan made an appearance at all? Genuinely curious

I was skeptical of Pratts bat, but he’s pleasantly surprised me this year.

Joey Ortiz has 5+ homers on the year so he's not eligible to hit one now

bauers needs to seymour pitches (i'm sorry)

As much as it is poor strategy, Miz to close is just too much fun… DO IT.

Two words: Rollie Fingers.

Huge pop for a visiting team's go ahead extra inning home run in the World Series.. poor Rays

Palacios’ arm stresses me out

Mark my words: Palacios is done as a 2B.

Palacios certainly seems to be having issues with his throwing

He should try the Seymour no look chuck it move

No ABS challenge for TB in the bottom of the inning now. The game will probably end on a borderline strike call. Or a check swing. Probably a check swing.

I just cannot believe Cash put Seymour in this game

the manager report cards for this are gonna be like 4,000 words. even if it ends here.

Everyone left threw yesterday.

He’s getting the yips in real time.

Who else does he have left? He used the Baker bullet already

focal dystonia is a real jerk

today was a great day to read Sam Miller's piece about how helmets are falling off at record levels

Chourio seems on him

He was mad at his bat half a dozen times in that at bat.

putting up stats that tie you with babe ruth, i would guess, is a good thing

Ashby or Chourio for MVP?

Pratt

Contreras

huh. how many ABS challenges did they win?

the friends we made along the way

im getting an mvp??

if you're gonna go friends we made along the way, ya gotta delete dodger flair

Screw it, give it to Murph.

Frelick, for intensity of eyes.

Caminero about to swing out of his shoes

he said “for more on Cooper Pratt…” but it sounded like “for moron…”

“For Mormon Copper Pratt”

We should do these chat rooms for Dominican league games

In.

let Brendan mod em

updating the stat i said earlier, brewers have 12 of the 13 hardest hit balls

I love baseball but if I never see this "Tom Brady 7 ring powers" ad again it will be too soon; makes me year for "Frank TV"

FOX has always had interesting choices.

but the single hardest hit ball is by the rays, into a DP

Bauers can’t buy a hit tonight

to be fair, most players dont use money for hits

whoa

oops

oh dear

Sean can we randomly pick 1 game a day during the regular season as the chat game?

Yeah, we are trying to figure out what exactly we want to do.

Again with the NOT THROWING TO FIRST

Oh no

That was a brutal throw – can't blame Bauers for that.

I can and will… he should’ve stretched and scooped the short hop

Great positioning, poor execution.

Ortiz had the rest of the year to throw that ball to first and get Jr.

Oh no Caminero

Yikes

I know that's gonna get scored as an E5 but a good 1B picks that all day.

Sure would be nice to still have Mateo available as a PR…

This is where I would like to have Mateo

Damn Bobo beat me to it

Oof. Diaz and Caminero both out. And also, STFU, DJ.

Bauers picks that on grass.

Can Williamson run well?

Simpson with a two run walkoff with two outs. Count it.

So who’s left on the Rays’ bench? Jorge Cantu?

Damian Rolls

even if bauers had just dropped it he would have time to pick it up before caminero got there. Instead he bounced it away

Wade Boggs

Kyle Harrison now officially the only rostered Brewer not to play in the WS

If this goes to another game I’m making the infield throw to first all night

Caminero is staying in to run?

whats jiman choi up to these days

Ah, Junior is staying in.

The only natural outcome now is a 122 mph ground ball double play followed by a controversial check swing final out.

I believe Hicks had a 34 wRC+ against lefties this year.

Sorry, 45.

So naturally.

Something something small sample something something…

Dammit, apparently your feed is like 25 seconds ahead of mine.

ssssss

If Caminero's spot in the lineup comes up again, the Rays have kept the game going, probably by scoring this runner

I would have put all my money on Caminero not going 1st to 3rd on a grounder

He still looks hurt

get brett phillips a bat

That was so dumb

wow. I feel for Drohan here – tough situation

Fascinating decisions being made

why is ceddy in now, of all times

I just hope the game keeps going and we see what he's like a third base.

caminero’s right hamstring appears to have 175 feet of running in it

Sorry I really do not think they're going to squeeze with a dinged-up Caminero on 3rd.

I'm shocked Chourio didn't even bother throwing to third

Same

Embarrassed from the transfer bobble.

Is Carl Crawford available?

Not until the 20th inning

Are we going 13?

Why wait for the pinch run?

I hope not

very satisfying that that foul grounder bonked a rosin bag off a BP mound

I have to be awake in 5 hours

Did he get (more) hurt?

Why not squeeze?!

This is a hot take but I think I put my middle infielders in double play depth instead of infield in here? I think?

Welp.

Like for that reason?

in my mind I cared a lot more about the runner on 1st than the runner on 3rd. Tie game isn't the end of the world here so long as you can turn two.

DP -> K -> 15 more innings

Baby's still asleep, by the way.

Throwing away Pratts heroics

TIE GAME

Would’ve been a DP if they were playing DP depth

Rays are being pesky

Drohan throwing it away

Infield in= bad confirmed

Drohan can't buy an out. MIL couldn't afford that error when they were down to the bottom of their bullpen.

Wow. The Rays have no real offensive threats left, but hey, it’s tied and they have a DJ!

the BABIP god giveth, and they taketh.

This is where you bunt it OVER the first baseman's head.

Ballgame over.

I don't hate putting the infield in. You're up 3-0, take risks, be aggressive

Please don’t post the results

Use chat delay

We ain't done yet

i once saw something about "joey gallo pops bunt out to yasmani grandal at 1st" and it destroyed my entire psyche

Simpson needs to be squaring earlier

Or not

How funny would it be if he homered

Lol. TB deserves a game at least, but if they lose this from here …

Man they gotta get Drohan out of there like yesterday

Kyle Harrison so far in the doghouse he might actually be dog food

And then consider phantom IL'ing him to get someone else on the roster for tomorrow lmao

Was that a barrel?

only 91.8 off the bat

Drohan = LVP

"We'll cya later tonight" is a cool call tbh

Amazing call

You kinda have to leave Drohan in given circumstances but man, sick to your stomach moment as a manger.

Error, single, single, single, single. That's the Rays way!

what a crazy game

LOL

NOT THE LAST CHAT

We have been given a ⚾️ reprieve!

I love everything about this, let’s go 7!!!

See ya tomorrow folks. Hopefully Brews will go the distance.

See you all tomorrow!

That was fun

gg. Good chat. We'll see you tomorrow night

Excited we get to do this at least one more time

Median 12 innings per the poll!

ITS STILL BASEBALL SEASON! YES!

Who is pitching for TB tomorrow?

I am

We all are!

brewers in front of their home crowd (not the one in tampa) will be nice

Couldn’t agree more

Game 5 is in Tampa though

David Price

Great game, thanks for chatting all

Baseball is fun

Didn't I read somewhere that Ben Williamson is only on the Rays because Dave Cameron texted Jeff Sullivan, "hey you guys want Ben Williamson?"

whats the probability that both junior and yandy are out

Alright everyone! We have at least one more of these tomorrow!


Members-Only Game Thread: World Series – Oct 26, 2026

Welcome to our Open Game Thread for the World Series game today. Only Members can participate, and unlike our usual staff Q&A chats, your messages will be posted immediately.

Our Member community is made up of thousands of incredibly knowledgable baseball fans, and we think this is a great way to follow a game with like-minded baseball enthusiasts. We might even have some FanGraphs Staff drop in and join the fun. Please be courteous to your fellow Members, or you may find your chat privileges revoked.

It's 6:46?

7:47 here.

Was awaiting the fellow members with greater knowledge to arrive and impart Baseball Knowledge.

Busy weekend, mostly missed the first two games, but it is extremely good to be back!

Good news: The series doesn't start until the home team loses, so you didn't miss anything!

I think Rays fans get a really hard ride and I will straight up fight anyone who talks bad on the Trop but getting Jon Gruden to narrate the hype video is not awesome for the Rays

You think Dick Vitale wouldn't have done that if they'd called?

I don't know hockey but there had to be a Lightning available and willing

I think Nikita Kucherov is still drunk from the parade a couple years back

i have been kind of rooting for milwaukee but i am kind of hoping for them to win it at home

How is the Trop? That's one of the few parks that I haven't been to.

Simply awful , but I hate all indoor baseball, and I think Ty France agrees with me.

It's not just the indoor part, it's just so… empty and soulless in much of the facilities. The concourse has no personality or energy. Ray tank is kinda cool though

Glory Days came up on shuffle, good vibes

This was the only mildly obscene set of flair I could come up with

Who is the Baywatch reboot for?

horny people?

People of the land. The common clay of the new west. You know, morons.

The same people who got excited 40 years ago for it, and haven’t matured at all

Chourio will ….?

Sean can you ban anyone who badmouths the Trop? It's intimate and unique and has great food and really easy fan access, and for all its bland architecture and confused iconography it is instantly recognizable. When it's gone, baseball will be poor and less interesting for it, and I will not stand to have its virtues slandered by those who are either ignorant or have no taste

How is your press box seat?

Sure can! I also miss Three Rivers often.

Frankly we need more stadiums with unique and stupid ground rules, not fewer. Long live the Trop

I think PNC is wild overrated but I understand that this is a minority opinion and don't mind it remaining so. Hating the Trop is just too easy and evinces an outlook on life, liberty and baseball that I don't enjoy living alongside

I might not do your ban bidding after you said that about PNC Park.

Y'all know that the Oakland Coliseum, pre-Mt. Davis, was the best ever, right?

Been there.

Great summary!

I guess I can't stop anyone from begging for a restomod Camden Yards clone surrounded by luxury condos and a strip mall, anchored by a steakhouse with a player's name on it, it's a free country. But I won't let the tyranny of the boring go unchallenged

Since 2000, 11 teams have gone up 2-0 in the World Series. All 11 went on to win, only 2001 Yankees and 2019 Astros forced it to go beyond Game 5

Are you TRYING to jinx yourself?

I have tickets to game 6 and 7, so kinda?

The Tyranny of the Boring is my band name

Maybe I overestimate Chandler Simpson's speed, but I think he should've caught Yelich's bloop

that challenge was a Ben batsignal

Another bad challenge.

Another bad *early* challenge.

ohh, Taylor Walls' Devil Ray colored socks are so good

I know it's garish as hell but it's my favorite color scheme any major US sports team has had

Smoltz explaining the leniency of umpires east and west was fascinating. Does the data back it up? The way he was talking made me think he had the numbers but didn't want to lose the casuals.

I am sick and tired of John Smoltz

I hadn't seen Contreras in a while before the playoffs, when did he change where he holds his hands pre-swing? Used to be instantly recognizable but now he's doing something more conventional

OK I need to get out of here before I miss even more of the game berating our paying customers

Joe Davis try not to say “fastball freddy” challenge

if we're not paying to be berated at by baseball minds, then i dont know what my moneys going to

I figured getting yelled at by Baumann was an MVP level perk, he's out here just giving away the goods

looking at Vilade batting 2nd, Williamson batting 5th, etc. and frantically pulling up platoon splits to try to understand the Devil Ray Magic

St Petersburg consistently choosing the Devil Rays jerseys is Metal AF

Former Indianapolis Indian Ryan Vilade

Maybe the answer to competitive balance is for MLB to force the Dodgers to hire Smoltz as their POBO or manager

Can't believe I've never thought of trying to Harrison Bergeron the Dodgers, it's genius

Williamson is fifth so that Hicks can hit for him the moment the Brewers bring in a righty. It's bait.

Generally not a huge fan of batting order discourse but I’m trying hard to understand why third is the best spot for Simpson

Simpson 3rd vs a lefty is certainly a choice

I hope this means Caminero told them he hates hitting 3rd, but even if so, there have to be better options. Maybe they're leaning into how often the 3 hole comes up with 2 outs and nobody on in the 1st? And Caminero doesn't make enough contact to bat 2nd? I would just bat Caminero 3rd.

Smoltz is so annoying.

well that should quiet the simpson at 3rd haters

That was probably his average exit velocity

Steve Stone for world series broadcast when

Shoutout to Davy on that play.

Damn, Davy's article from today is instantly proven prescient

Holy crap Davy is prophetic

Big yikes, Chandler

Sucks that he got tagged out, but that play makes me want to see just how fast Simpson could go on a Slip N Slide

I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a cleanly stolen Bose turn into an out because the runner was simply going too fast still.

chandler simpson this inning was that Mike F tweet

"Check this s**t out motherf**ker [I slide one foot out from under me and fall on my ass, its not clear what kind of move I was trying to do]"

Maybe it's just me, but batting Ryan Vilade 2nd is way more egregious than batting Simpson 3rd

I get Simpson is absurdly fast but man I wonder if you just let Caminero hit there

Oh my god

Holy crap what a catch

WHAT A CATCH WOW

He just flew through the air.

Holly Chandler Simpson

Wow

Chandler Simpson can fly

Holy s**t! I hope he’s okay

That was awesome

Quite the wall face plant, amazing catch.

I would literally die if I hit the wall like that

Sensational. Seldom do you see a player hit the wall much harder than that.

I actually expected him to go through the wall Wile E. Coyote style.

This game absolutely rules

The Trop is rocking!

That was like Wile E. Coyote running into the tunnel painted on the wall. Wow. Ouch.

I have no idea how the hell he stood up after that – I'm pretty confident they would be picking up my carcass from the dent it left in the wall

I'm still down and I was watching on TV

rare i didn't see yours, i type slow

Hard not to think of Looney Tunes after that

That catcher throw would've been more impressive if Chandler hadn't just happened. Timing is everything.

Does anyone actually enjoy coaches/players being interviewed mid game? Who is this for?

His family to see he isn’t hurt.

(outdated answer) to see if La Russa is slurring his words yet in the 3rd inning

I was just typing almost exactly this. The only one that was ever worth watching was Freddie Freeman during spring training that one time. 99% of the time they're cringe inducing

Leave that kind of stuff for the all star game

I was saying this yesterday during the NFL games. They don't tell me anything and are really pointless.

Every time I see Chourio hit I can't believe he ever makes an out. Somehow it seems like every swing is a great swing.

Bauers looked like he wanted to go back and keep hitting. He's had so many long at-bats he's forgotten what short ones are like.

This would be a great time for the hidden ball trick

That wouldn't have happened if they'd done the hidden ball trick

guytappingforehead.gif

wow a lot happened there

PLAY GLORY DAYS

Lotta outs on the bases in this series/game

the secondhand embarrassment I felt knowing that the ball would also bounce between my feet for 10 seconds

If I had to reach between my legs and slightly behind myself like that, I would 1000% fall on my ass

time never moves slower than this moment

The Rays are very lucky the Brewers had a TOOTBLAN.

That needs to be an error. Bauers held up before the ball was muffed.

lol nope! In fact Mesa got an assist! Enjoy your earned run Freddy!

Smart by Mesa Jr to pretend to mess that up just to bait the runner /s

Tony La Russa comment made me think of 3 nights in August. Good book. I want to read it again now. Also just found out same author Bissinger wrote the mosquito bowl which is being turned into a movie rn

That Contreras bloop is an easy out in the OF alignment experiment in the AFL now, IMO, since corner OFs are positioned in and close to the lines.

I hate that. It's going to kill doubles down the line too. Not a fan.

I also saw Kilby drop an 8 iron deep fly on the warning that only a double due to the alignment. Saw three games of it live.

It also feels really weird to make the outfielders stand in designated spots but allow the infielders to shift (within limits). I worry that the AFL OF positioning rule would be a slippery slope to forcing all fielders to stand in designated spots.

I know the games have been kind of close but it just feels like the Brewers are always going to win/

I have that same annoying feeling, and I hate it.

That how destiny works

Having watched them this postseason I have to say this feels like a really, really good and complete team. One of the best of the decade. If they win this series they'll be more than deserving as a champion.

Yeah the universe is definitely pulling for the Brewers. Everything 50/50 is going their way

I don't care if they win, I just don't want 4 games.

I am fascinated by Contreras preemptively putting his hand towards his helmet to challenge before the call even happens. I'm sure it's just to be ready but I do wonder if it goads the umpire into a strike call, too

I can't remember if it was Ceddanne Rafaela or Wilyer Abreu this year who was so determined to challenge he challenged a call that went his way.

I noticed this too, if I was home plate ump or opposing coach/manager I would say something, can’t really be having him possibly influencing ump’s calls like that. not hating tho I love how aggressive Contreras is with his challenges

(also hi)

Contreras' slow nod when he won the challenge was so, so satisfying

absolutely a GIF

Smoltz is an idiot – I have no idea who his fanbase is anymore. It's just so regressive

I do think Smoltz was right about that challenge, tbh

in the sense that the upside wasn't worth it?

Yeah. It was really really close, not an egregious call by the umpire, and it's Taylor Walls up by two runs with nobody on

I actually don't mind it if the catcher is THAT good at it.

Even if he was right that is still a terrible challenge.

I would pay $100 to get Smoltz off the broadcast and replace him with almost anyone else

would you pay smoltz that $100?

Does he need it?!

Here in Canada we have different announcers. Sportsnet has their own broadcast team for the WS.

it's Votto'clock

How are they?

Please don't give him a chance to rub it in

At least for me in Canada, the play-by play is Dave Flemming who I love. Looks like his color man may be Ryan Spilborghs, who apparently does Rockies radio now?

Spilborghs is a regular on MLB radio.

So far this definitely feels like a series between a 100+ win team by Pythag or BaseRuns in the stronger league, and a 88-90 win team by Pythag or BaseRuns in the weaker league.

(unless the series is in OOTP)

Is it too much to ask for the OOTP version of that same matchup (when you're controlling the 100 Pythag win team) for the next few games?

what the hell I can't believe I got beaten to the punch on the OOTP reference

Hello yall! Finally joining, great game so far.

Called that a swing.

Deep breath, Coop

The tradition of, shall we say, old-school announcers is what it is, but what is shocking about Smoltz is how many of his sentences are literally tautological. I wish I could remember the example from game 2 that had me chuckling–something about value being valuable.

You just gotta say what you gotta say, you know? Those who played the game, played the game, and they understand that it is what it is and it's gonna be what it's gonna be.

Reminds me of the basketball scene from Bedazzled

At least twice a game he'll start a metaphor and completely lose the thread halfway through, then just babble until the PBP guy saves him

Agreed

Watching this series I return to the thought that the American League was really terrible this year. I think if the Brewers and the Rays were in the same division, the Brewers would be 15 games better than the Rays. The Rays might be the 6th or 7th best team in the NL.

It's weird to me to think of NL being so strong.

The Rays were probably something like the 4th – 6th best team in baseball this year but the AL was so bad they looked like juggernaut. Sometimes the underdog wins anyway but

Brewers not playing small ball today?

imo smoltz has drastically improved his attitude on the broadcast toward modern baseball over the last few years but it still feels like he’s doing it begrudgingly

I still think there should be a Fangraphs announcer at all games to insert hella random stat facts

Didn't Meg do some AFL games or something like that?

Like how players do on their bobblehead day?

Rays BLEPH- is 73.2

Contreras for WS MVP?!

Contreras NAILING every challenge is just watching someone who is a step function above at something just nailing it

It's the obvious disdain that really makes it.

Wow.

@Sean Dolinar: How do I get post-season games to show up in a player's game log?

We don't have that in the game logs on the player pages, but you can see something similar on the splits leaderboards: https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/splits-leaderboards?positi…

I thought that was a bad decision to challenge. I was wrong.

Agree it was a bad one…for mortals

It was still a bad challenge. Too much risk in a low leverage situation.

Given the value of strikeouts it seems like a challenge that results in a k is almost always worth it.

Contreras has been like this all season, he challenges way more often than anyone else, he's right more often than not, and he's right at only a slightly below-average rate. Why would he change now? Why should he? It's been working.

Contreras clearly has the psychic old lady on his side

The super obvious fake Jamacian?

I haven't thought about Miss Cleo in a very long time

Peralta for Adam Lind trade keeps me up at night ngl

Man I wish there was an election coming up.

And now all Im thinking about is whether Miss Cleo actually did predict the grifting future and just try and start early with the… Whatever these idiots will literally believe anything bit.

Every team of destiny is a small market Central Division team with an iconic fan favorite catcher who will be elected to the Hall of Fame as a result of their World Series performance in spite of their otherwise iffy case.

No finger wag?

That boy nice

Chourio + Contreras = Critical Cs

Caibo Cids? Big stretch both VEN born

I think Chourio has the talent to win an mvp

(Frantically trying to figure out whether Endy Rodriguez, Henry Davis, or Rafael Flores Jr. is up to the task.)

Endy would be great if he could simply stop being injured all the time

We could turn this into Pirates chat real fast. But then everyone else will leave.

(Yes, I already know the answer.)

The way the Brewers bullpen has been pitching, this feels like it's 5-0.

I said it after Game 2, but I think this series will be a real test if seeing the same reliever a few times is an advantage (Im thinking Uribe vs Caminero as an example). I'm unaware of any great studies on the topic (seems like a cool fangraphs article topic) but my mental model is something like the 3rd time through the order penalty?

little surprised there isn't a canonical article about this given how often it's discussed in the manager report card series.

Why Nick Martinez for multiple innings tonight? Don't they have enough real relievers to cover effectively after Peralta leaves?

Maybe I am wrong but I thought the consensus on Chourio was that he is likely already at his peak? Not all young players improve toward their mid 20's

He improved a lot this year and is only 22. I have a hard time imagining this is his peak

Trout was never better than he was at 22? Acuna? Heyward?

Sure it's possible. But he was a top prospect, in the majors at 20, and 4.6 war isn't as hard to top as those other guy's age 22 seasons

I don't think he had an obvious peak this year. His high BABIP of .348 this year is suggestive he just had the kind of year that ends up being a peak year in retrospect, often. But I could never assume he isn't capable of more, even if the probability is 15%

Don't get me wrong… dude is phenomenal at baseball… just not sure where the upside is for more? Could very easily hit for more power as he ages but feel like the rest will decline.

I think there's plenty of room to improve his approach. Probably some meat on the bone defensively too. I think he's got a 7 win season in there he can unlock

There's some room to grow the walk rate if pitchers work around him due to more power.

Oh ill take the under there… odds?

I'd say Trout was at his best at 26. His two best WAR seasons were 20 and 21, but he was a better, more complete hitter in 2018-19, and I think that's the version I'd rather have on my team.

This is fair I was just picking off the top of my head… There is surely a better example out there.

I'd take 3:1 on him having a 7 win season at some point haha

Ok so we agree not likely

Yeah it's not a gimme but I think he has the talent to pull it off. Most guys don't, but he's in the class of guys who could make it happen is all I'm saying.

Julio Rodriquez is a better example of what you are trying to say IMHO.

Rodriguez could win an mvp too! These are young talented players who have some room for growth. I like Chourio's trajectory a little better but Rodriguez is great too

Good call

I don’t think there is any consensus at all about Chourio. There were only something like a dozen rookie position players younger than him this year. He’s 22 and could easily add another full grade of raw power and / or improve his swing decisions. Or he could not do those things, but I think chances are one of them happens.

Peralta's never been a surgeon, but I wonder if he's getting a little tired and losing command because he's been throwing max effort.

Looks safe to me.

Safe, but you gotta try something.

Second base didn’t give a great stretch on that.

Did not think we'd see Booser this early.

Cheers for the overturn–how many Brewers fans are in the stadium?

Still a nice try by Caminero who is showing a lot more glove than he was given credit for.

reminder that Ben Williamson is a Ray because of Dave Cameron and Jeff Sullivan

The crew can do no wrong

Chandler Simpson's noodle arm is why Contreras could score there.

Is this series over? Man.

Is now.

"They think it's all over…It is now!"

This used to be an interesting WS.

oof I feel for the Rays but the Brewers feel like the ultimate team of destiny right now

GLORY DAYS

I and all of the over 50 Brewers fans needed this.

I'm a 49-year old Brewers fan and also needed this

Brewers are team of destiny. I will be happy to see them win, but I was really hoping the Rays would bring one home after years of being so good with so little.

Ooh, we should get a Brandon Woodruff cameo later now.

I agree, this is the perfect time to let him have his moment.

Won't be for a while. Gasser's only thrown 44 pitches with 1 H and 0 BB, surely the Brewers will just ride him for a while.

TB kinda BABIP'd CLE so I dont feel so bad about this

Well that got out of hand quickly

Nothing against Cam Booser, but maybe he wasn't the right guy to bring in?

FWIW, having railed on Smoltz earlier, that line "it breaks you down" is where the announcers + context as a baseball player resonated

Groundball to 3B, groundball to SS, chopper in the hole, chopper down the line, 5 runs

There is one thing that's still missing from the forthcoming "team of destiny" movie. Ex-MVP/Captain near the end of his career needs to hit an iconic homerun. I mean, tonight the man's got two hits, a walk, and a great overturned call after which he scored. But the scriptwriters are begging for a homerun in Game 4.

Vogelbach sighting

Why are we hanging out Booser to dry here… I get the game is likely lost but, feels bad.

I thought the Brewers were better than the Rays. But I didn't think it would be like this. Amazing how the Rays' strengths–exploiting pitching matchups, defense, all the stuff around the edges–just seem to be kind of evaporating.

Almost like a few games is a bad way of deciding which team is actually better?

Bring back the best of 9!

Well, yes. But I am still surprised.

This is a thing that the Brewers do very well too, and has always evaporated for them in the playoffs as well. In the playoffs it’s hard to optimize because a lot of the scrubs you face in the regular season aren’t playing in a best of 7.

Only question now is whether the Brewers sweep again.

It’s crazy to me that the Brewers have only lost one game this postseason. And aside from this one and one game against the Dodgers it hasn’t felt like any of them were one-sided.

They have come from behind in nearly every game, it really is amazing.

Has Sulser been on this roster the whole time?

Wait. I thought *you* brought him….

Time to start googling "biggest blowouts in the WS"

1936 WS, Yankees 18-4 over the Giants.

Wait this genuinely has to be a record right for a WS Game? 7 straight 2 out hits?

GTP returned this…The absolute maximum number of consecutive hits by one team in any single World Series inning is 6 consecutive hits. In 1908!!

Ouch this is demoralizing for TB. Letting game 2 slip away is going to haunt them

Brewers could outscore the Packers from yesterday

good lord

At least I can go to bed at a reasonable time

I needed a good night's sleep.

Ok this is a parody at this point no?

oof

We going to see Woodruff tonight?

can't wait for the Rasmussen/Martinez switcheroo 3000 word deep dive

Has there ever been a position player pitcher in a World Series game? Surely not, right?

Just googled it. Never in the WS. Twice in the postseason. https://almostcooperstown.substack.com/p/a-position-player-h…

Just googled it. Never in the WS. Twice in the postseason. Cliff Pennington in 2015 and Austin Romine in 2018, both in the 9th inning.

we going see woodruff bat tonight?

It was a fun question… Chat GTP thinks…The absolute maximum number of consecutive hits by one team in any single World Series inning is 6 consecutive hits. In 1908!

For any lurking Rays fans, they have an opportunity to have the largest comeback in WS history (I assume)

Yup. Record comeback is from 8 runs down.

Game 4, 1929. The A's scored 10 in the 7th to overcome an 8-0 Cubs lead.

That's such a 1909-2015 Cubs thing to happen

Contreras lol – is that the equivalent of stealing a base up 10?

Every Brewer in the starting lineup has outscored the Rays so far

That's just mean.

Gahdamn bill that is an ice cold challenge right there

That inning reminded me of the 2003 NLCS but without the controversy

Through Ben Williamson all things are possible, so you can write that down

Brewers radio just confirmed that 7 straight 2-out hits is a WS record.

I have a old time book about the World Series (ends with Koufax in the 1960's) and the 1929 chapter is called The Big Inning

What's the book called?

Should Murphy let Gasser throw 100 pitches and give the bullpen a night off?

Until the score is within five or so, absolutely.

Unless he starts looking shaky or gets hurt I say let Gasser gas

That, or maybe today is finally the day for Kyle Harrison

Vogt would be bringing in Smith!

At this rate Gasser won't need to throw 100 pitches because he's going to throw a Maddux.

Greatest World Series Thrillers by Ray Robinson

Woah, the 10-run inning in 1929 was a comeback from down 8-0. That is a lot more of a thing!

It's so old I have the copy from my dad's elementary school library, and also the copy from my own middle school library

I'm curious how we get multiple Ashby innings tonight

Glad I was in the car with my daughter watching that together

Very happy to read that and check your flair and see MIL and not TB!

I hope you weren't on the road driving!

Presumably they were sold for being outdated and my dad and I are big enough baseball dorks that we brought them home

[guytappingheadinaRayscap.gif]: Don't have to face Ashby if you're down by 10.

Been hearing an upsetting number of songs I love in commercials lately

So at the end of the Chat GTP commercial, They all die on the boat right?

They boil away the seas with all the greenhouse gas emissions and walk to the smoldering remains of civilization.

Worst shutout loss in WS history is 12-0. Yankees over Pirates, game 6, 1960.

Proof that the Rays can still win, if you ask me.

Smoltz and Davis sound like they don’t want to be there anymore

"I don't even want to be around anymore" -Carl Havoc

"The hell with it, no one is listening anyway." Come on. We need a Uek ref

Another very curse- era cubs fact, from the book: The same pitcher was on the mound for the Cubs at the beginning of the Big Inning who gave up Babe Ruth's called shot in 1932: Charlie Root

1991: Carl Willis gave up a cycle in the 8th inning of a 14-5 loss.

I love that in that 8 run inning, the same guy (Bauers) somehow made the 2nd and 3rd outs of the inning. Baseball.

He's getting teased mercilessly for that.

Kangaroo Court is going to come for his whole playoff share.

And did it the same way. Fly ball to Simpson.

So, looking ahead, do 3-0 leads in the playoffs turn into sweeps any more or less often than you'd expect?

Very surprisingly a strong YES… ~75% sweeps

Brewers still running, wow.

In the regular season, losses this big seem easy to shake off. It's just one weird game where nothing went our way, it happens, we'll get 'em tomorrow. In the WS, seems like it'd be harder to shake off.

Kevin Millar voice: “don’t let Tampa win one!”

Time for picking Dave Roberts first in the vanquished opponents players/mangers draft?

Maybe Tampa should try a different jersey tomorrow

Man Kevin Brown got so robbed of the ‘98 CY

I pulled up the leaderboard and instantly went…"It must have been Maddux… nope Glavine???"

Literally 100 more Ks and 25 fewer BB than Glavine. But of course Glavine got 20 Ws so everything else goes out the window

haahahahaha

Contreras man

What can you even say anymore?

I get it. If William says it's a strike, it's a strike.

Grant Brisbee used to have a great bit that we should just let Brandon Belt call his own balls and strikes and I think it needs to be updated to Contreras

I’m gonna go on Kalshi and bet my life savings on the Rays.

Life savings = 50 cents? Because then it may be a good investment…

Gasser making a hipster WS mvp case

Getting handshakes now.

Gasser is done? Darn. I wanted him to go for the shutout.

just joined. Huge Crew fan who moved to Milwaukee from So

Let’s just all agree to award Vogey WS MVP regardless of the outcome of the series

Ueker… its a bit too late but would be fun.

Is there a write-in space on the ballot?

Gasser threw 90+ pitches eight times this season, including 100+ twice

Somebody get Smoltz some coffee!

Oh please NO!! Let him fade out!!

I know nobody likes Smoltz, but it seems like WS blowouts must be hard for any announcing crew to call. If you're a local crew calling a regular season blowout, you can talk about nonsense just to pass the time. Can't do that in the WS.

I wonder if John Kruk or Steve Stone are available to fill in for Smoltz the rest of the game?

Joe Davis also decides to leave and it's Kruk & Keith for the remainder

SoCal in 1999 and lived there till 2016. Became a huge Brewers fan. Bought 3 full season tickets for next season so I could get WS tickets. It'll be a long commute from SoCal but it looks like it was worth it! Being at Game 1 with my wife and adult son was one of the most memorable experiences of my life. And we were at Dodger Stadium for game 4 too. Sports fandom can be heartbreaking until it isn't.

Cool to be at those games!

I think you hang in there, keep repeating anything can happen, bring up the things ya’ll are

As a CLE fan from the 90's I hated ATL, but liked Smoltz the player… Always thought he was fun. So the dislike for his announcing is kinda honest.

I kinda liked him as a person his one year in Boston, which was terrible. He was very frank in interviews.

Seeing the NL representative perform like this against AL does feel very on brand for the 2026 season….

Oooof, this WE Graph: https://www.fangraphs.com/scores?date=2026-10-26. That Top 5th span is just so big!

The chat did correctly call that at 2-0 the game felt over

Already talking about tomorrow lol

Fearsome 3 hole hitter Chandler Simpson

Chandler Simpson is fun as they come but him only running a .331 BABIP and a .049 ISO gives the story away. He has no power at all.

Bauer needs a hit, cmon..

Can we get Contreras to pitch the 9th?

Is that allowed?

Strongly Strongly frowned upon but allowed!

Milwaukee is probably too good to let this happen but I felt a weird premonition when Bauers struck out in the first that in that moment he turned into a pumpkin again and spent all of his good baseball playing ability

The Rays trying to chase all sorts of tiny edges (and possibly overthinking it in the process) definitely hits different given how this series has played out so far. Saving your ace for game 2, sitting Aranda vs. a lefty, and batting Vilade second all come off as kind of sad when you're getting squashed.

Yung Gravy

Getting billing over TOM CRUISE!

Don’t even know who he is

I want to see Contreras pitch just to see if his ABS challenge magic works from 60 feet away.

Wait until he challenges his own pitch. Then the alternate reality opens.

The human. Oracle.

The Human Oracle? What are we doing here

They are hurting for something to talk about, I guess?

Are there non-human oracles?

This is what I thought. I thought oracles were almost exclusively clairvoyant women getting high on gnarly volcanic sulfur fumes

Are people riffing on US commercials that I can't see because I'm in Canada? Should I start riffing on Canadian commercials?

I think the chat has spiraled

Just commenting on what Smoltz, Davis and co. are yammering about.

If it's about All Dressed chips, Pizza Pizza's garlic cream sauce or milk in a bag, then yes!

Just because your election of stupidity is over does not mean you have to rub it in…

Murph managing like it’s Little League. Everyone gets to play

He better put Woody in.

I would love to know what Tom Cruise thinks about The Trop

Announcers have totally given up

Does Pat Murphy still look pissed off?

How do you tell?

fyi Gary Sanchez is the Brewers official position player closer.

Joe Davis goes home and takes the edge off with a long, tall glass of almond milk with dodger blue food coloring

Star Wars ref?

did you see the shot of Murph and Dickie V? I think they went to high school together.

Cruise played a Mummy hunter and Reacher. Playing an Oracle in a 300 Movie wouldnt be stretch

Grant Brizbee in his article on the commercials pointed out that he had no idea what the Sidney Sweeny commercial is advertising … He is right.. I still dont.

Tanning lotion I think

Modesty

I actually think Pat should manage like little league now…let Woodruff take the 9th, make sure Drohan and Harrison are in the G4 plan

I think the Rays didn’t use the right rum with Jobu

Jobu will not forget this typo! Is very bad to misspell Jaboo's name… IS VERY BAD!

What typo

Commercials I never need to see again: HP, Liberty, T-Mobile

My mom is legit offended by the one making fun of the people using the stairlift. Think its one of the insurance ones?

Was it discussed why Cash didn’t bring in Baker after Peralta? He’s not pitched this Series so has to be rested. He’s their best reliever. High leverage situation

I honestly think simpson may have thought… Screw that, im not diving again there

I am in Calgary. I will trade you HP, Liberty, and T-Mobile commercials for Firehouse subs and the Ontario government.

Deal

Woodruff is warming up! Love that

that'll leave Drohan and Harrison as the only two of 26 who haven't been used yet

I think batters should have the choice of not accepting first on a HBP

Strike zone bigger than the mascot

Do we think that challenge was a bit of having a laugh by the rays?

I know the Rays don't draw, but still shocked just how many Brewers fans there seem to be in the park tonight. It's the World Series!

I mean ya kinda saw that coming

shhhhhhh

thats just mean to woodruff

Should have floated one Rowengartner-style

We have at least one more of these tomorrow! Hopefully it's a more interesting game. Good night all!


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Hi everyone! We had an interesting ending last night. Hopefully tonight will be just as fun! We got our standard polls and a redux of our Rasmussen poll with a little dash hindsight.

Hello Sean!

I have just Seen Everything

I still need to watch The Rehearsal.

I've got a Brewers fan friend coming over for the game and he's bringing spotted cow. So I might be pulling for the Brewers tonight at least

I'm jealous. I wish I had friends this good.

I know there's alot of baseball left, but if last night was any indication, this is gonna be a great World Series. Go Orioles! Wait….never mind. Go Baseball!

The real winner this WS is Brat Rangoon

I have heard so much about spotted cow I had to do some research. Looks like it is tough to find here in CT.

It's light but quite tasty. Made by a small brewery in SW WI.

It used to be impossible or at least really hard to find outside of Wisconsin. I think it's still that way, but I haven't been there since 2023. When I did have to buy a Spotted Cow from the hotel, because State St. Brats closed early over Thanksgiving weekend.

Yeah my friend has family in Wisconsin and goes back periodically so presumably that's where he got it

Whoops!

What is a quintessential TB area thing?

This is going to be hard. The closest I've been recently is Orlando.

I saw everything the other night, and I cannot unsee anything

Saw it last week. My question is why we didn't get to see Nathan in the shower.

Pratt fall

More like Pooper Cratt, am I right?

You misspelled “Crapp”. 😉

Pratt's defense was said to be superb in the minors, but he has been a downgrade defensively compared to Ortiz.

Joe Davis calling the game from the future there saying "Tampa Bay unable to take advantage" with only 1 out

Must've been an alternate future, then!

Do I have to be watching the game to contribute to the thread?

I'm running back and forth while cooking dinner

Chandler Simpson in the 3-hole pays off early.

Chandler Simpson showing you can have success with oppo soft swings. Well, at least *he* can.

I wonder if a player with exactly 0 HR's during the regular season has ever batted 3rd in a WS.

I really hope Simpson keeps getting better because he's so much fun to watch

Simpson's stature reminds me of 80s/early 90s era baseball players.

He's like a taller version of Lance Johnson, former ChiSox CF.

Beautiful steal.

I do like replays from the Umpcam. That shot down the LF line looked pretty awesome from it.

Love the crowd reaction shots at the end of replays.

Oh boy

Hicks hits it to the sticks

Thank you John Sterling.

Oh man … that ball was destroyed

What is going on?

And here I was ready for a pitchers duel

This one looks to be over early.

Wow

OK, who had Henderson going one inning? ‘Cause you might win that poll question.

Hi Jack!

Hey Sean!

Also, is it fair to take this into account in judging the Rasmussen decision? Could have won both, maybe.

Exactly!

They got some solid innings last night from Martinez and Matz. But one of those runs made a difference.

Do they have a drone over the field??

love that this happened after I saw tons of comments complaining about Hicks after yesterday

How’s this for a facile hot take: Henderson pitching like a rookie, Pratt fielding like a rookie.

Hey everybody!

He better be right, and he is.

New Q. How many Kyle Harrison innings are we getting tonight?

Too many!!

3?

I do notice the mean for Henderson’s IP on the poll question has ticked down a touch.

Was just wondering who’s gonna get mop up innings

Woodruff?

I am more convinced than ever that this thing is going to 7 games.

I’m guessing they go drohan? they at least trusted him against the dodgers and they probably rightly believe they can still come back

Excellent, my secret plan is working

Cooper's "prattfall" set a bad tone for that inning. Ortiz makes that play with ease. They lose some offense with Ortiz, but he's a nice boost to run prevention.

Liam Hicks and the Hot Licks

Chourio not ambushing that one!

As a Tiger fan I get all 🤬thinking about how Liam Hicks was in our system and was allowed to walk just last year, and then I remember, oh yeah, Dillon Dingler

There's still a lot of baseball. A lot can happen.

Sure, it's an early lead, but it's an even-numbered lead.

That Hicks homer killed the rally!

Also, it’s not a prime number

Love descriptive statistics

Wow here we go

Chourio is quite good.

As Ernie Harwell would say, “The Brewers are kicking up their heels!”

When was the last WS game where both teams scored double digits?

I can't think of any game since 2017 game 5

Date Game Score
Oct 20, 1993 Game 4 Blue Jays 15, Phillies 14 (at Philadelphia)
Oct 21, 1997 Game 3 Marlins 14, Indians 11 (at Cleveland)
Oct 20, 2002 Game 2 Angels 11, Giants 10 (at Anaheim)
Oct 29, 2017 Game 5 Astros 13, Dodgers 12 (at Houston, 10 innings)

I thought we agreed to never speak of that again.

My wife was like what’s up with the Brewers and I was all, that’s the team that’s led the AL all year

Thought the Brewers and Rays were known for defense. . .

They were, but Pratt isn't living up to his MiLB hype in that regard.

Hicks is gonna want to use an ABS challenge here

He really wanted to challenge there.

Old school baseball!

Wow the hit and run

Man, Contreras is dialed in situationally.

That looked like am inning ending double play off the bat.

Brewers doing Brewers things.

Anyone else not able to find this chat in the app?

It's in the newest iOS version released yesterday via a banner on the home screen. Android is still being worked on.

That atmosphere looks amazing.

These pitchers aren’t fooling anyone

They are fooling me — I thought they were both pretty good.

Turang wasn’t fooled on that 109 mph second out.

How much I miss the hit and run. It was such a part of the game when hitters could be relied upon to make contact.

I bet it comes back to the game again, and probably sooner than we think. Game is always evolving.

When they finally go to 100% robot ump calls on pitches, will catchers still frame out of habit?

I hope so: "Nice try, meatsack. Beep-boop!"

These offenses are really, really fun

Different sort of game than yesterday.

Pratt can now atone for his error…

Is Rasmussen knuckling his changeup? Looks like that’s what his middle finger was doing on that run-scoring single just now.

No, pretty sure he's taking it off, which is what you do for a kick change.

Looked like it was tucked under the ball was why I asked

Pratt going for Most Suckee Player

Oof, the hubris of Contreras

The very word a had in mind.

For anyone unable to watch on TV: Brewers have JoJo Romero warming

The start to this game makes me wish I was in a bar in Milwaukee watching all the miserable Brewers fans.

Brewers fans maybe a lot of things but miserable in a bar they are not.

Henderson really doesn’t like an 0-2 count

A sacrifice bunt with no outs is taking this small ball a little bit too far.

in the second no less

Maybe that's what my wife meant when she called me a sadness vampire.

Game feels like a pre pitch clock slog I love it

I'm more ok with this in the postseason. 4-hour games during the 162-game marathon was too much.

Both of these teams take absolutely gnarly ABs

Anyone else think maybe baseball should actively try to reduce foul balls?

How would you do that?

What are ya thinking?

I suppose this is a good outcome, but how in the world would you achieve that besides increasing infield popups?

make fair territory bigger

Maybe, on the 2nd out, 2 fouls for free and the next one is a strikeout?

Change the in-play angle from 90 degrees to 360 degrees, like cricket 🙂

The only way I can think of to reduce foul balls would be to replace the wizards pitching today with normal mortals.

Then we wouldn't get to see Tristan Peters and Jake Bauers wow us with their long, and terrific, AB's.

Loves me some Tristan Peters

Maybe the foul lines don't have to precicely coincide with the basebaths? Have them angle out a bit?

We're a numbers site, so I should have something to back this up, but I feel like the vast majority of foul balls are tips/to the backstop or dramatically in foul territory.

You'd definitely would be moving things at the margins if that's what you are going for.

The margins *are* where interesting stuff happens…

Pitchers need to figure out how to pitch to squarer contact, but not toooo square. Sounds hard

TIL William Contreras is only 0.1 fWAR behind his brother in terms of cumulative performance this decade.

My fav Kalshi commercial and I hate Kalshi

Pat Murphy is a leader

Re: making pitchers mortal, maybe moving the mound back a few inches is a way to go?

Yah or down

I've thought so for a while. Less guess hitting should lead to more contact w/o necessarily spiking HR

I think they tried that in the Atlantic league and it had the opposite effect. Walks went up, but so did strikeouts.

Nuts! It's almost like better-motivated peple than I have worked on this issue.

That was a garbage experiment that gets cited as definitive way too much. Of course guys struggled after playing their whole careers at 60'6" — move it back a foot now and reap the benefits in years 10-50.

Yeah it was pretty short lived. The extra distance does give breaking pitches more time to move, though. It makes sense that it didn't just make hitting easier.

Yeah it's the kind of change that can't be evaluated in a single season or even a few seasons, and MLB seems so concerned about unintended consequences that they won't implement something they can't just throw minor league (or indy ball) games at

Makes sense. So many of these changes depend on how long it takes for players to adapt.

I also liked a commenter's recent idea to make the rubber narrower. Such an easy fix that doesn't change the fabric of the game yet mitigates the extreme arm angles

I like this a lot!

No one would even notice!

The best kind of change! Like the pitch clock.

Good idea, but now I wonder what we can do with the plate. We made the bases bigger, we're making the rubber smaller, maybe we start having opposite day games where the plate is pointed the wrong direction

Hi Sean! ABS spon con is weird

My last five messages are "awaiting review," which is a bit on the nose for messages about ABS

I was just looking up how T-mobile actually powers ABS.

Surely it's some garbage about how their network is used to transmit the results, right?

Google AI was really getting some stuff wrong.

I might be missing something, but I'm not sure why ABS needs a private 5G network to work.

It needs a 5G network to get sponsored!

They're allowing them to use the emergency network for ABS actually, 911 calls won't go through in Milwaukee if Contreras taps his helmet

T-Mobile owns basically all the 2.5 GHz 5G spectrum for North America and they set up a private network inside stadiums reserving a slice of the band. Wi-Fi would be a bad idea because it's public so theoretically it could get congested.

Oh boy aranda

"The ABS challenge workflow relies on players (batters, catchers, or pitchers) tapping their helmet or cap directly on the field to trigger a review. A physical wire tether to a player or an umpire would be dangerous, cumbersome, and impractical during active play."

Alright, thanks AI.

This is trying to answer the 5G question.

From my cursory research…it's better solution than WiFi or other wireless solutions. And it looks like it simplifies the infrastructure build out for the operation of it.

Oh no Aranda 🙁

Daaaaaang!

Wow

Just finished my shift, I miss anything?

That was not a strike.

Agree

Should have been a walk

#replaceUMPs

Was only listening to that Rhapsido commercial and could've sworn they were advertising Rapsodo

Do you think about Vaughn at all here?

Im always thinking about Vaughn

The Aranda play finally convinced me, the Brewers are inevitable

maxRISP

SP poll is closed! Rasmussen didn't go 4 IP, but we had him at 5.2 IP mean and 6 IP median.

Henderson when 3 IP and we had him around 4.1 IP mean and 4 IP median.

I would imagine SPs go fewer innings in the post?

Trying and failing to think of someone whose stock has fallen further the last couple years than David Stearns

Clase

Alek Manoah

Why?

I knew I'd be wrong when I posted, I just didn't know HOW wrong (re: Clase)

"Mets rich and bad Brewers poor and good" was the core of my thinking

Wander Franco?

Wow yeah I whiffed hard on this one lol

Okay Pratt making up for his mistakes

MLB can’t be surprised that players bet, when they’re forcing betting apps down our throats

It’d be like if every other commercial was for steroids

OK but tbh I'm very intrigued by the idea of steroid commercials

Every other commercial *is* for pharmaceuticals. Odds are many of them are steroids.

Surprisingly, that pharmaceutical that clears your skin but may increase your risk of infection that was just advertised is not a corticosteroid, even though it sounds like one.

Thoughts about using Ashby while losing, even by just a run, given his workload? Is he going to pitch multiple innings in literally every game?

Oh, I guess Ashby isn't actually warming.

Cannot hit batters. Ever. In the post. Unless it’s intentional.

Palacios specs are no longer neon green??

I was looking closely after someone mentioned it last night, I thought they looked different!

I just found Waldo

That seemed very close

Didn't matter in the end.

Fireable send

Speaking of gambling…

Oof

Reminds me of the days of Wavin Wendell

Has a 3rd base coach ever been fired in-game?

Fire that 3B coach, Tampa.

Dumbest send in WS history

oh that was a dumb send

What in the Hicks?

Fortune favors the bold, they say, but yeesh.

Fortune also favors the scouting report

What was the dumb send the other day?

Hamilton trying to extend a double to triple?

Mesa trying to steal third

I guess if you sac bunt earlier in the inning you’re pot committed to the send with 2 outs *shrug*

Bunting only works for teams that don’t strike out a lot and make a good deal of contact. TB is one of those teams. So is MKE.

lol I was thinking the same thing about the umps guns

Friend of mine says Eduardo Perez calling the game on the radio said it was a good send. Eduardo Perez is objectively a dumb s**t.

Maybe Perez is calling the game blindfolded, it's not like you could tell by his analysis

Woah!!!!

No way

that's baseball

Maybe they are a team of destiny

Woot!!!!!

Brand new ballgame!

Lexington!

Brewers have a long lineup

Mitchell against the dodgers, frelick here, hamilton (not) triple yesterday

This is good baseball.

my partner's review of the Frelick home run: "Ohhh, he's so cute!"

I'll show her the face he made during that nutty '25 NLCS double play

That's the insight we need on these chats.

Sal Frelick will hold the door for you at Friendly’s and share his clown cone. America’s or at least the metro Boston area’s sweetheart

my partner: he looks kind of like Jerry Seinfeld. Unclear if this agrees or contradicts your partner's assessment

Fangraphs article idea, all time playoff series ranked by average number of two strike fouls per game

there's a cutie keeping score behind the plate too

love to see it

alan thinks the hp umpire is cute !?!

Front Row Amy. Quite famous in that area.

alan and umpy sittin in a tree

umpires don't keep score

Aren’t umpires actually the official arbiters of the score?

Yeah but they aren't responsible for keeping a record of it, they let an entirely different guy screw that up

I just don't think I see it for the Rays right now.

we've got dave flemming calling the game in Canada, nyeah nyeah

What, you’re not listening to Alain Usereau?! Sacre bleu!

Ump needs to focus less on his guns, more on his eyes

OK, let's make it a series. my partner's review of Chourio: "how does a 22 year old get that big?? I thought maybe he was 37"

Brian's partner should submit a community post about reactions to these guys

lockout post!

Chourio needs to focus less on guns more on strike zone

I’ll just backseat drive all the players

If I remember anything from age 9, it's that you're gonna walk guys if you look at third base while throwing the pitch

For exactly one pitch in my last year of little league I thought "varying my looks" meant throwing a no-look fastball because a guy was on third

What the ****

wat.

Huh.

That went from, oh crap, to WOW, to damn.

lol FOX thought that ball was so caught in left they went right to “end of 5th” on the score box

I caught that too

I love catching broadcast goofs!

Thank god there’s a pitching change so FOX has time to reboot the thing

did they both get lost in the lights?

So Yelich's strategy this WS is to have outfielders drop his fly balls?

I feel like im missing something here. Ball went in the glove, glove smacked the ground, ball popped out. Why was there not so much as a review?

I don't think you are wrong, because they get a bunch of challenges in the postseason. But that was not a catch in MLB or the NFL.

I believe that would have been Tampas last challenge. They lost one on that terrible send where they thought Contreras was blocking the plate

If I remember anything from age 9 it’s that I thought Donruss and Fleer were cool

Punp your brakes kid, those cards were a national treasure.

I LOVED Upper Deck.

now FOX saying that Taylor Walls is the batter against DL Hall

"Father McGrath! I thought you were dead!" "I was!"

they took the scorebug down

It's back and still wrong

Third times a charm?

They broke it!

Someone’s getting fired

joe buck better watch his back

Is it me?

Hopefully it's Tampa's 3rd base coach

RISPmaxed

Taylor Walks strikes again (balls again?)

Yandy is a fun name

i can't even make a joke that it's short for yandrew because it's pronounced with the long a

bizarre parallel brain moment

Abner is such an underrated name

Wow I didn’t know that!

first Abner in the majors since 1891

oh man, i've been feeling so weirdly low today and not even the baseball is helping

Kinda same, just one of those blue days

I hope your tomorrow is better

That double might raise your spirits!

every day is a roll of the dice, sometimes you come up empty, but most of the time it's chill

glad to see ya here!

it is always good to be in community, in meatspace and computerspace

Ohhh that was close

Chandler Simpson is such a funny 3 hitter

I finally get here. hi all

Chandler Simpson is a genius 3 hitter. the top 2 slots go to big power nowadays. Simpson makes sure you do not get a double play.

genius and comedy are not mutually exclusive

Two dramatic hits!

Doooohhhhh

It's kinda felt like Milwaukee has been in the lead ever since the Rays were up 4-2

Every third at-bat of this game has had something dramatic

Simpson does not walk enough to bat first. You dont care as much about the three hitter walking.

Peak Brewers-Rays-ball would be a suicide squeeze here

is Liam Hicks as good a fielder as contreras?

millville are you maximizing orange flair or still trying to spell something?

nimble dethoosfg?

I'm hoping for a reveal that he is Dutch

nimble looked fun, then i gave up lmao

feel like i have to shake things up though

i have happened upon something quite rude, oops

apparently changes are applied retroactively. I'm pleased to have caught the one this was posted with

Still kinda shook from last night when Sean mentioned that viewership was 44.8 million in 1978 vs. 8 million this year. I knew it was bad but not THAT bad

It seems like the statistical methods are sound for that 44.8 M number. But I'm still curious how accurate those ratings were back then.

It is harder to watch a game nowadays cause you have to pay someone to watch. in 1978 it was free on one of the three channels.

As accurate as any statistically sound large-sized sample would be.

Right but I doubt the methodology has been consistent for the last 40 years. TVs were probably not as evenly distributed demographically in 1978 as they are now, even if we have no reason to question how the sample was selected. There are a ton of ways the numbers could be skewed in the analysis.

My flare is the minimum. If its not the minimum change the rule.

Oh good lord why did you swing at that

In 1978 no one was playing Mario or Call of Duty or binge watching anything

I was playing pong for hours!

bla beep kA blunk….. bla beep ka blunk

Pratt redeems himself!

Sweet redemption for Cooper Pratt

Team of destiny, logic be damned

I'm rooting for the series to go 7. Go Tampa!

huh, I guess my digital antenna set up is behind by almost a full minute??

You can delay the chat using the settings cog in the top right

Really? I thought terrestrial broadcast would be the fastest!

Brewers stringing together ABs

Thanks for answering my question, Liam!

I am LOVING all the SBs

lol omg almost

And just like that Cooper Pratt with the RTBLAN

partner's review of the Frelick flyout: "he's just a little guy!"

I thought that was going

Brewers radio has tricked me into thinking there was a home run twice this inning. In Boston we used to call this a "Trupiano," or, as a verb, "to Trup" (pronounced "troop").

I thought that was long gone

Did you have home pong or spend a ton of nickels in arcades?

I was the cool kid!

home

Someone please remind me how I add the team flair?

Click the little gear, top right of the chat.

the flairs dont show in the chat replay, right

I export a transcript for the blog post. But these persist on the chat url. We're still feeling out how to transition editorially.

i fear i happened upon a crude flair combo that i would not like to be perma attached to , um.

Thank you!

Diarrhea, nausea, and vomiting? Yeah, I am feeling all of those right now…

Symptoms suggest prolonged exposure to John Smoltz

Hmm. A second inning from Abner? He didn't do this too much during the regular season.

Caminero has a lifetime BELPH of .105 against RHP who pitch from the stretch on Saturdays.

is belph correlated with bleph at all, or are they separate metrics

BELPH is BLEPH standardized for park, weather, beer type, and amount of under eye

I heard someone is working on OwBLEPH+

This series is gonna be a great exercise in how much seeing a reliever multiple times in a series matters

if I learned anything from this strategy being deployed in 2019, it's that eventually we'll get Surprise Fernando Rodney

Yeah to be clear I have no idea but maybe it’s a versions of third time through the order?

After seeing these short sleeve hoodies, I'm wondering if we've reached peak hoodie.

fwiw i almost always roll the sleeves of my hoodies up, i don't fully understand why

Or if the hoody has hit rock bottom

Ryan Vilade went to the barber and asked for the Bo Bichette

Ryan Vilade taking an at bat in the World Series would've been a hilariously ridiculous thought like 3 years ago

that last play had an xBLEPH+ of 42!

But it had an xBLEPHCON+ of 156! Talk about unlucky!

my partner's review of Front Row Amy: "I mean, if you pay for it, you gotta show it off"

Good story about FRA in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. She seems like a nice person: Married to her high school sweetheart and they have a few kids together and live in Oshkosh. Not what I expected.

These close games are amazing and great entertainment, but I hope there's one where the score gets wide enough that Woodruff gets to pitch. Just check and he somehow hasn't pitched in the playoffs since 2021?

how about a 15th inning game?

I've long thought Yelich looked like an 80s teen movie villain. Curious about Brian's partner's take.

if its a ski movie, then I agree

There we go. Just hit it.

I have a man crush on Contreras and I’m not afraid to admit it.

What’s the record for 1 and 2 run wins over the course of a postseason?

The record is 8 postseason wins by one or two runs.

Team 1-run wins 2-run wins Total postseason wins
1996 Yankees 5 3 11
2001 Yankees 5 3 10
2020 Rays 3 5 11
2025 Dodgers 5 3 13

Eight more teams are one behind at 7: the 1992 Blue Jays, 1997 Indians, 2000 Yankees, 2003 Marlins, 2005 White Sox, 2010 Giants, 2014 Royals and 2022 Astros.

Notably, the Yankees were outscored in the 1996 World Series despite winning in six games.

Chandler Simpson throws like a guy in a 45+ men’s amateur league.

Almost slid past the base. That was closer that the real time looked.

Almost looked like he threw his shoulder out trying to stay on the bag

I and the fans of at least 27 other teams are so jealous of the fire in the Brewers team.

We need to discover more Contreras brothers, they're like magic for a team's vibes

NATS had that fire before the trade deadline. Then they didn't.

Who was he throwing to? The 2B ump?

Hicks getting some butterfingers for Halloween

partner's take on Contreras: "he looks like he feels the weight of the whole world on his shoulders."

I think his foot got in there

He looked safe live

I think that was a terrible tag by Fortes

Matz feels like an odd choice here right? lol not meant to be a reply

He scored! It’s gonna be 6-4

EDIT: ehhh, win some, lose some

Wow, assumed he was out by a mile when that throw came in but looking at the replay that looks almost too close to call

oh I don't think you can overturn that

It's the toe they have see? I haven't seen enough to overturn.

I don't know if there's enough there, but in real time, I thought he was safe

That's the right call.

So interesting how Fortes appeared to move his foot to avoid blocking the plate, which surely led to the awkward tag.

go Tampa!!!

you're choosing Elijah Dukes over Junior Spivey, huh?

point taken. I am retired, so i want it to go 7

Too close to overturn I guess but that's rough by Fortas to even make that play close

I thought the Brewers had a better shot overturning the call on whether the runner tagged the plate versus the obstruction challenge.

Raise your hand if you want the Rays to score one so we go into the bottom of the inning tied. 🖐️

I just want more baseball.

I'm rooting for the Brewers in this match but I'd love to see more baseball

Exactly!

You mean the 12th right?

@raregokus Sure, why not!

There will be more on Monday and Tuesday, so let's just wrap it here, OK?

Oh, yeah!

RISPmaxxing

Using the last challenge on the first pitch of the 9th inning in a one-run game feels suboptimal

both of his challenges feel like they had weird timing

The lost ones, anyway

When you’re feeling bulletproof like that guy is right now, you become more impervious to risk.

Huh, this is interesting.

Terrible pitch

Bunting here is asinine

This series is awesome

How did he not take third there?

victor victor mesa mesa jr is my favorit non Nationals or X Ntionals player!

maybe not

If I had played baseball in CUBA my hero would have been Victor Mesa.

I have no clue what a check swing is

Nobody does!

Just like knowing what a balk is.

Dr. Baseball101 asks: what the hell was Mesa doing pimping at the plate after that strike three swing? He should have busted it to first to draw a potentially wild throw.

Contreras has been a mad man with his blocks

Does Ashby have a shot at WS MVP?

Yes, but he keeps rightly crediting his primary competition, Wild Bill

There's nothing in any sport quite like a terrible bench bat coming to the plate in a critical playoff AB. I still remember the look on my roommate's face watching Michael Martinez come to the plate at the end of the 2016 WS.

How wild would it be for Yandy to take strike three called out of the zone to end the game, and it stands because he has never challenged a pitch yet?

Well, that was an equally entertaining strike three to end the game, wasn’t it?

Please stop throwing into the dirt

This sucks for the Rays. Down in the top of the 9th both nights. They make things happen, but then don't do much. I guess they still can tonight. But two meh outs here.

wow what a curve

He checked his swing. What an awful way to end the game

I say again, what is a check swing?

I thought he went, gutty by Ashby to pull that out

Replay of that swing?

They are bound to showing the celebration sequence without interruption, because, for some reason, the celebration has become the top clippable and shareable moment of any sports event.

Holy hell what an ending

That was ridiculous

Still waiting for the replay of that 'swing'

Rays felt lost at the plate after DeLuca got on.

NO HE DID NOT!

Junior went further around than that

oof not even close

Someone had to be somewhere tonight I guess.

yikes

Oh, yeah, he went

Overhead view makes it look like a swing to me

I think the overhead view is misleading.

I don’t. He went, by a lot.

I think that was a swing, but I've seen that called not a swing plenty of times.

I guess the owners want the larger market to win this one!

Tampa is the larger market by a good deal.

Milwaukee metro population: 1.5 million. Tampa 3.1.

higher salary

Landing planes is hard 😉

mil has way more wealth than Tampa per person I'll wager

My theory is it always depends how the 1B/3B ump is feeling.

or if he ate something dangerous for lunch

Need a poll on whether that was a swing, interested in how it breaks down.

If the ump has his hands in his pockets or more relaxed, he won't call a swing.

I don’t believe this at all. I think umpires are quite good at getting check swings right, at least as currently defined, which is bat crosses the line perpendicular with the front edge of the plate.

I'm being partly facetious. But you can tell the call by the umps body language before he signals. At least I think I can.

I have herd pitchers called dogs more this season than any other.

Maybe mlb should actually define a swing in the next cba.

New poll. I'll leave that open until next game.

good night

Tight 45/55 swing poll so far.

I don’t know if he did, but feel like the Brews deserved to win that game


Members-Only Game Thread: World Series – Oct 23, 2026

Welcome to our Open Game Thread for the World Series game today. Only Members can participate, and unlike our usual staff Q&A chats, your messages will be posted immediately.

Our Member community is made up of thousands of incredibly knowledgable baseball fans, and we think this is a great way to follow a game with like-minded baseball enthusiasts. We might even have some FanGraphs Staff drop in and join the fun. Please be courteous to your fellow Members, or you may find your chat privileges revoked.

i think the team that has the highest BLEPH is going to win tonight

Please go seven games, please go seven games.

We'll be chat while trick-or-treating!

Happy World Series!

If people want to get nostalgic here are links to Jeff and August's articles from their time here…
Jeff Sullivan: https://www.fangraphs.com/blog-roll?author=7030
August Fagerstrom: https://www.fangraphs.com/blog-roll?author=43631

Might also influence your vote.

Feels like August got an unlucky draw here, he's awesome but Jeff IS classic FanGraphs

August was one of the first _writers_ to leave for a team. And definitely the first of many here. Because after him was Cameron, Carson, then Sullivan.

lol shows what I know!

Pretty special series here.

Cmon clap for respect

Hello folks!

Need a poll on whether it's a good idea for the Rays to push Rasmussen back a day, or if they're overthinking it.

This is a situation where I defer to "the team has more information than we do." Ramsussen's feel, rest, etc.

I also wonder if there's wisdom in trying to maximize your chances of winning the non-Miz games. Probably getting a little too cute if that's the thought process, but it might play a role

I'd come down on the side of too cute. I'd want my ace to be available as much as possible during the WS.

No overweight players anymore 😂

Those Brewers entrance LEDs/Barrels/CO2 machines actually looked really good. Most of the time, whatever the teams do looks bad.

I can sing much better than this in opposite land.

She crushed the anthem. Damn

I wonder if the NPB is like, World? Really?

theyre prolly more like "World?, 本当に?"

Is the roof open? I'm streaming the radio broadcast and they haven't mentioned while I was paying attention.

I don't believe MLB allows it to be open. Or at least they are in charge of it. It should be closed to my knowledge.

Pity. If you have baseball in Wisconsin in late October, it should feel like it.

Yah it’s closed

If they have a problem with it they can come over here and take it from us

Too soon. lol

They sent Ohtani to take it.

what in the AI bulls**t is this malarkey

It sucks that the one time of year where there's amazing nationally televised baseball is also the one time of the year when commercial breaks are full of the most vile ads

I just realized that before tonight, I'd been to as many World Series, with as many wins to show for it, as both these teams put together

Do they have cheese curds and Spotted Cow in the pressbox?

There's a whole curd stand on this level. That's where I took the now-infamous Brat Rangoon photo. But no Spotted Cow. They didn't even have it at the bar I ate dinner at last night

Nearly all the other New Glarus beers are better than Cow … but you knew that

Any idea when this game will actually start?

I was thinking 8:08, but looks like that wasn't the case.

tomorrow afternoon

Hey friends!

two batters, two relatively well hit balls

Baumann, how's Wisconsin treating you?

He has had no spotted cow. I don't believe he's actually in Wisconsin.

One of my fellow writers just produced a two-pound bag of sausage from his backpack and offered to share, so things are going well here

its too bad this cant also be streamed via mlb tv. im on fubo instead and gonna be like 30 seconds delayed

Nothing but cheese from Miz so far

He's in the right state for cheese

Just like the Woodman's cheese aisle.

What a delightful swing from Simpson. I love it.

Raysball right there

What’s our take on the lineup choices? Milwaukee tinkering with order a bit and someone with a Time Machine from 2005 would have a heart attack about Simpson hitting 3…

It's hilarious how shallow the LF was and how quickly he got to Simpson's hit.

I do like that David Hamilton.

Miz looking good so far

Rays def not afraid of Miz

brewers def not afraid of nick martinez

That Simpson hit? 57.8 MPH.

Beautiful.

Brings a tear to my eye

Big spot already for Martinez. The Brewers feel like a bad matchup for him.

Wow, the green screen ad behind the batter is particularly egregious.

it looks like the typical angels broadcast (derogatory)

Yeah, I really miss charming local advertising in games. Happens on NHL dasherboards, too.

Next year you will be forced to bet on the game in order to watch it

Is Bauers okay? That was only six pitches

Yelich batting third? Why?

Welp

Baseball Posts that Age Poorly

I need a forehead slap emoji

Is it just me or does Smoltz trip over his words way more often than other color guys

Slightly to my surprise, here in Canada Sportsnet has their own announcing crew I guess? I don't have to listen to Smoltz!

Just like a Canadian to flaunt their superiority.

That's why.

He missed the catch! hello everyone

Man, I am so used to major leaguers making those catches that I am half-tempted to call for an error on that.

Can I change my vote on holding back Rasmussen?

I'll make a poll tomorrow that has a choice: I regret my vote from yesterday.

My goodness. Both of those balls hit leather.

Scorched off the bat

Looks like the Rays defense is not crisp today.

xBA of .630 and .620 according to statcast

Luck on Brewers side so far

hard to blame the rays defense with those EVs imo

Rays just getting all the bad luck out of the way inning 1 of game 1. It's strategic

I've determined that I want Milwaukee to win. The thought of Chandler Simpson batting #3 on a world series team is too much to handle.

The guy who almost won a batting title?

FanGraphs batting title should be wRC+

Personally, I find myself leaning Milwaukee just because they had the Violent Femmes playing a pregame concert. You deserve to win when you do that.

Simpson did beat Jose Ramirez by 1 wRC+ this year… But Cleveland is on another level strategically by batting him #2 instead

They made Chourio the Fonz. That works.

rays should just get the bad luck out of the way for the next 4 games

Simpson will get hits and never hit into DPs.

i love chandler simpson, but why not bat him first and push yandy/aranda down a slot

Not really a question quite yet but: if you're the Rays, how aggressive do you want to be using your best bullpen arms early if you're behind in this game?

On the road in Game 1, maybe not so much?

What I'm curious about is how often Cash will turn to his top end guys while losing, he did it a lot against Cleveland, if Milwaukee gets 4-5 looks I'd be worried

Yeah, same, but I've felt the same several other times in these playoffs only to find the managers disagreed with me.

Definitely feels like the Rays bullpen isn't set up as well as the Brewers' for this type of situation. Tons of single inning guys with a reasonably well defined hierarchy, bad combination if you're trying to avoid giving too many looks

or maybe 2nd if you still want yandy at leadoff

As a Crew fan, live the Rays bringing the infield in 1st inning. Dubious

Great challenge. Gotta be sure to challenge in a low-leverage spot.

Miz tightened up pretty good in the second

Against Cleveland that was definitely not a swing. 🤣#miz perks

Great piece of hitting by Frelick to go down and get that. Wow. His back knee was almost on the ground.

O/U 7.5 bunts tonight now that the first one is down?

I want to live in a world where that over hits

I only want to live in that world if they're attempts to bunt for hits

I personally don't think Hamilton will do anything other than attempt to bunt for hits

Ask Edwin Diaz about that.

Is it just my TV or is the video stretched vertically?

I don't have that here

No TV problem here.

Did it make Nick Martinez's muscles looked normal sized

Pretty odd Savant pitch value profile for Nick Martinez: 97th percentile for fastball, 91st percentile for offspeed, 17th percentile for breaking

The changeup he got Mitchell on to end the first was absolutely gross

From ~200 feet, Sal Frelick looks enough like Garrett Stubbs when he's running I've done a double take whenever he gets on base

I'm Abed from Community and there are several plausible timelines where DeLuca and Walls catch both of those balls.

are they the ones where everyone has goatees though

your Pudi. hey! Loved that show back in the day

A lockout is the darkest timeline

I'm not Danny Pudi but did not have faith people would get the reference without me setting it up.

Misiorowski in the mooooorning

Martinez actually looks super sharp

First guessing here – I always want the best pitcher in game 1 of WS to maximize the odds of using him thrice 1-4-7.

+1 for using thrice

fantastic band, and good baseball writers

Rays have taken several middle-middle four seamers already.

Can’t hit it if you can’t see it

Has Miz thrown a good breaking ball yet?

must've heard you and obliged

Enjoyed the horizontal statcast view of the slider vs 4S. I feel like statcast never gets utilized in unique ways on the national broadcasts, would like to see some more of that

Totally! No brainer.

Who in the minors is the next Miz? if anyone

Susana?

Was the Miz the next Miz in the minors? My recollection was that he was thought of as high ceiling, super high risk, potential future closer.

that sounds like what they say about Susana

His command jumped from below average to average just before he was called up. Tough for prospect raters to adjust

Yankees-Dodgers is clearly the darkest timeline from a World Series perspective

The Miz cutter is working. More please

I’ve been having a debate wit someone about what we think the TV ratings for this Series will be. He thinks it will be worst in history because of the small market teams. I think the various narratives around this Series will goose the ratings some and be reasonably decent considering this fragmented media era.

This is interesting. 2023 was the worst per Wikipedia. And those are bigger markets.

But also far less interesting teams. IMHO

Crazy to think in 1978, we'd be watching with 44.4 million other people.

In 2026, we might only have 8 million other people.

I’m sure that many people will see clips.

sounds like a waste of time unless one of you works for Fox. watch the games, who cares?

This is MIND BOGGLING!

Curious how people are watching. I’m on YouTubeTV.

I bought a one month fox subscription through Prime

Listening to Brewers radio via MLB app.

Fubo…

OTA local Fox station at the moment… might switch to stream (Sling) later

Yandy first time up: 99.9 mph exit velo, 347 feet the other way, F9
Second time up: 101.7 mph exit velo, .650 xBA, lineout.
Miz has handled everyone else fine but Yandy must want his money back

Yandy's LASER was a good example of why playing 3B is fun (if you have the balls for it, and protect them).

The brewers just put teams in the vortex

I'm rooting for the Brewers because I'm a Yankee fan, but also because I really want to see Yelich win one. Do the rays have anyone like that? Rasmussen with his injuries maybe?

But what was Yandy's BLEPH?

yandy paying to hit against Miz is real sicko stuff

the man wears medium T shirts – those poor shirts!

the MIA/Brewers trade for Yelich was armed robbery!

Best Kalshi add I’ve seen. Still will never use that trash.

Shane Gillis and Danny McBride doing a Kalshi ad together is excruciatingly on-brand.

This chat is cool on the app to use

How do I get to it on the app?

Has any other team ever worn their alternates this much in the playoffs

Laying off all that 100 plus, half an inch off the corner was really impressive by Aranda

I finally got here only to find out I missed a triple! That’s sad, I love triples.

With Yelich's original back it would have been a homer. It was a nice barrel (I assume).

Sorry to be that guy, but it was a fake triple! It hit leather!

On a diving attempt

I'm really liking new teams and players in the Series

Chandler SImpson batting 3rd feels a little "too cute" to me

Ugh, Mitchell botched that one.

That was a screamer

That's a lot of hits on balls that hit the glove today

Yah he wasn’t running

Balls off CF glove 1 to 1

I’ve played plenty of center and liners right at you are the worst

I think Miz is done

At low 50s pitches? You sure?

Nope

Mitchell was an E8 (in a world where I'm official scorer)

The threshold is "ordinary effort," and he broke in the right direction and was at a full stretch. That's a hit.

I usually keep score when I'm at the park, and I largely ignore what the official scorer says.

It's a hit but a lot of CF's would have had it in their hip pocket.

You're probably right based on how it's done. But in my timeline, you're supposed to catch that ball.

Some would, but I think a lot wouldn’t. That wasn’t a gimme.

There's a surprising amount of multiverse theory in this chat.

In the other multiverse, no one is talking about the multiverse and the Rockies are winning.

Are official scorers allowed to use Statcast catch probabilities?

The last thing I want to see on a World Series broadcast is the betting trend for who’s gonna win.

I'm going to be laughing about "Misiorowski in the Mooorning" for days to come. Thank you for that.

Holy crap Aranda was off the line. Rays positioning I tell you what

that should count toward 2B eligibility

There haven't been many instances where I have seen a 1st baseman that far into the hole.

There is a 98.9% chance that this chat is 50% more filled with stats than 90% of other chats.

Was that an odd place for the first baseman to play Pratt 3-and-2, two out, none on? He was practically lined up with where second baseman plays.

I love you Jonathan Aranda

I am not surprised to see Murphy get someone up. Misiorowski is not quite the same tonight.

He’s been off for a while now. The season has definitely worn him down a bit

Miz down to 97

In the Miz vs Skubal game I couldn't stop looking at their enormous feet. That game might have had the largest combined SP shoe size of all time. (Someone research this please)

John Rauch had the biggest feet I ever saw an a ball player.

also would accept ratio of combined shoe size to ERA

Rauch did not win that

The foul balls are noticable

He can't put the hitters away like he usually does.

Bauers!

That was a really impressive play on both sides

Have the playoffs demonstrated a playbook against Miz, that all opponents will take up next season?

Wait to hit him until the post

Seems more like fatigue than the scouting being especially better. The command on his breaking pitches has been abysmal so they can afford to sit fastball

Maybe, but it's always a game of adjustments, and if the strategy results in 5 innings of 1 run ball…

See? Told you he’s done.

Surprised Miz is still in there for Yandy.

What on earth???

!?!?

Bizarre play there with Yandy at the plate?

Yaaaaaas Contreras!!!!!

Why the hell are you stealing third there???

……….

Someone forward the Rays Ben Clemens resume

I would rather he stayed here.

Contreras continuing to have an incredible postseason

I'm just an unfrozen caveman lawyer – your modern ways confuse me – but even I know that when the dude throws 100 on some level the scouting report is just like it says on Leslie Nielsen's tombstone: "Let 'Er Rip!" (true story – he put a fart joke on his tombstone)

Is it just me or does Ariana Grandes eyes suggest demon possession

That was nearly Austin Wells trying for 3rd level of dumb

Quick poll. Does Miz come out for the 6th?

No

If the Brewers score a couple or more, for sure.

Probably not. Think he was emptying the tank in the 5th

yes

TOOTBLAN alert?

Throw so perfect too

Given the way Cash has managed the playoffs to this point, I'm surprised Matz is up.

I’ll take a veteran pitcher in the post

Wow REALLY stupid decision against Mesa

Victor Victor Mesa Mesa Jr

Catch-22 is my favorite book, and Major Major is one of the better characters (actually Major Major Major since that's also his rank)

Why not hold up after the stumble

I wonder if he thought it'd be harder to turn back once he started stumbling

OOF

At least it was the second out at third

another out at 3rd, wow

My favorite play in baseball, that was incredible

Holy redemption, Batman!

Stat from Canadian tv: in the expansion era, name the 5 starting pitcher seasons with the lowest BA against 3rd time through the order. List includes Miz this year, Pedro 1999, Ryan 1974, a Blake Snell season, and…another guy.

Arrieta 2015?

Clay Bucholz in 2013

dueling TOOTBLANs

good band name?

Drum and bass underground house duo

That's such an impressive relay by Williamson, who wasn't a second baseman until this season. That's not a natural throw for him.

Don’t run against Contreras. Don’t run against Mesa.

If it's from Sportsnet, I'm gonna say Kevin Gausman or Cy Young Robbie Ray

Buchholz in 2013!

That may go down as the worst decision of the game.

Or maybe Halladay?

wow Clay Bucholz is a Remember Some Guys pull

.8912 BLEPH! on that play

I love how single season baseball stats capture random dudes playing out of their mind for a season

where are you guys getting these team tags from?

good to settings then flairs

go**

This is the only game in 2026 that Miz didn't K at least 5 in a start of 5 innings or more.

Chat settings button in the upper-right

Thanks! Do they have Black Sabbath or is it just MLB teams?

Nick Martinez 5 Ks, Miz 3 Ks. Can't predict baseball.

Clay Buchholz is one of those guys for whom FIP-based WAR was created. In bWAR he looks like he's just great or terrible at random. In fWAR he's just a good-not-great pitcher with a fast decline.

they fired the BLEPH guy, let's get a better nonce acronym

top right of chat window, gear picture, chat settings

i bet nobody else has this combo

Sorry about the self-loathing; that must be unpleasant.

eugh

fwiw it's definitely in that order

Contreras is awesome at challenges.

Contreras is awesome at baseball

i'll tell you my flair story if you tell me yours

fangraphs member survey on the stories behind their flair

lockout article alert

Mine is boring, no teams close enough to home to count as hometeams while I was growing up, but my father was from Boston and we went up there a couple of times a year and occassionally caught a game at Fenway.

A lot of us single-team people will be boring. I grew up in New England, left for a job, miss it.

I was a multi-team fan until the Giants left NY. It has been more fun dedicated to one club.

who was more impressive to see live, mays or mantle or teddy ballgame?

Contreras MVP

Tough looking double play there for TB

This is the throw-'em-out game, I guess.

So many great arms tonight!

Contreras is awesome at baseball!

DO NOT RUN ON CONTRERAS

perhaps simpson is not the best 3rd hitter

They don't have him batting there because he's the 3rd best hitter

I lived in all 3 places (and never once considered liking the Yankees)

My parents were in NYC in 1962, my mother had the Mets as her favorite team till the day she died because she was still rooting for the underdog from that year. She also claimed Mets games were better entertainment than other teams, because you never knew what would happen on a "routine" popup.

Man, all kinds of runners getting cut down

I assume that one was a hit and run which isn't a bad call with Simpson's contact rate. Just looks horrible when it fails

BryanB is the Rays closer, he has changed sides and is now operating as a sleeper agent

It would be amazing if he was posting on his phone from the bullpen

It’s an XK Red 27 technique

Dumb question: does the catcher get the WPA for a caught stealing? Do they get the negative WPA for a successful steal?

There’s no defense in WPA just pitchers.

bosox for life with the age related flex

Really think Laurila should interview him in the offseason.

lockout article klaxon strikes again

Is it common for shortstops to wear the pitch com?

Apparently all infielders wear them? Or at least some. There was a whole kerfuffle earlier this year when players on first could hear the pitch call on Nate Lowe's pitchcom because the volume was up too loud

I think several infielders do- I saw Freddie freeman holding his hand over his hat/ear in an earlier series

I am fairly certain if you let pitch com reach the SS then the other team is listening.

Mays was the best because he was great at all phases of the game. Williams was in a class by himself as a hitter.

If Willie Mays had a Statcast card, it would be blood red from top to bottom.

It’s gonna end in a walk off?!?! Call Bowie!!!

I believe the broadcast missed an adorable side hug between Contreras and Aranda during that PitchCom malfunction. If I'd gotten a hug like that from a girl I liked I'd be walking on air for the rest of 9th grade

Just because we're throwing each other out doesn't mean we can't be friends

11th grade for me.

Willy C has the largest eye black tape I have seen

I love it

He and Yandy need to have an eyeblack-off

They should have a live face painting station before the game

cant wait for bauers to have a unicorn on the left side of his cheek

LOLLLLLL

I swear those pitch cons are made out of balsa wood and spit

Imagine Matz not throwing strikes, at his age

I think Harper also paints his whole face?

Harper is at some point going to force us to have a serious conversation about when "a ton of eye black" turns into "doing blackface on the field"

No, spit was banned back when bosoxforlife was a kid

Try telling that to Don Sutton and Jerry Reuss

Lew Burdette's nickname was "Lubricated Lew".

I think they should have a live face painting session before the game

Miz in full tiger face paint firing 103 would be peak

🦄

Baumann, during the lockout can we start a fantasy league of your 300 metros setup?

I don't know what this means

I think this is referring to your mega expansion idea

Pan-American Municipal Baseball League, 150 franchises? sorry i misremembered the number

Ohhhhh yeah definitely. I'm not sure I want to administrate such a thing, but if someone else wants to hack OOTP and make it work that could be fun

Meg and Appelman keep me locked in a windowless room unless I come up with three insane ideas a week, I have trouble remembering them all

RISP

Uribe – Hall – Ashby – Megill as needed to close it out

I think you can skip Hall.

I’m telling you, next season pitchers will pitch one pitch each

Caminero has great vibes in all circumstances from what I've seen

I will always root for a guy in sport specs

Richie Palacios vs. Ashby would be a real Sophie's choice for you

I'm sorry, but Palacios' glasses are too neon. Too neon by far.

Rec specs!

Where’s Karim Abdul Jabar when we need him

I love Ashby but there's no way the "two innings every game" bit works for him again this series, right?

I consistently underestimate him

The forehead sweat zoom in was pretty extra there by Fox

I'm growing to loath Polimarket advertising

I actually like the Craig Robinson one but I just find him funny

He sold out!

Beginning to be a fan of the stay-in-radius OF proposal

Is it harder for a lefty to bunt off a lefty or does it not matter?

MLB: if you want to turn away fans, keep advertising betting apps

Wonder where these gambling companies are getting all this money to buy adv—ohhhhhhh I get it

I guess T Mobile wants fans to be mad at them every time a fan disagrees with ABS.

I do so love it when a team is punished for a leadoff walk (unless it's my team of course)

Yet another run due to sketchy glove work.

One day they’ll stop throwing a first pitch strike to Chourio

Fox reduced all glove sizes by 20%

this seems plausible to me

Lachlan Murdoch: Baseball is boring. In cricket, men do not wear gloves. Can we get rid of the gloves?

I have no idea if that's fair

the wicketkeeper (catcher equivalent) in cricket does wear gloves!

Cricket does everything it can to make defense difficult. Of course, the fact that you can bounce the ball on the way to the wicket and that they don't replace a scruffed ball also make offense difficult, but a cricket bat is a much better shape to hit a round ball with.

They don't just not replace a scuffed ball, a single ball is used for hours at a time.

Yes, when you hit it over the fence they pause the game to get the ball back

also, south africa just beat australia in long form cricket and their captain batted for 9 hours of game time

(beating australia is generally difficult)

I don't know it like baseball, but I have enjoyed the Cricket I have watched.

and you have to bowl the ball in a way that looks deeply unnatural to me as a baseball player. I was once playing catch in the Caribbean and some kids wanted to play with us. I wondered why their form was so weird and then I realized that they were "bowling" my baseball

In Australia, some pals tried to teach me to bowl. Felt like I was going to separate my shoulder

There is a chance the rest of the country finds this a very boring game and I don’t care

I will take multiple guys getting thrown out on the bases any time

Great pitching there

A 93-mile changeup that does *that* is unfair.

The bowler cannot bend his arm at the elbow in the delivery.

with modern biomechanics they have realized that some bend in the elbow is inevitable, but it is indeed very limited

also, no foul territory!

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That pitch brought to you by Kalshi!

Emmanuel Clase, come get your 1 pitch payment

A single cricket match at the highest level lasts five days.

hence the 9 hours of batting by 1 guy!

Novig has better Ads than polymarket.

Rays Raysing Vilade to second base

Brewers mission comes down to “can we get the first four hitters out?” If so, it’s a wrap.

Last five in tonight’s lineup hitting .161 AVG, .429 OPS in playoffs. Really really rough.

Ahh Reacher. Such a good show.

Uecker was just given a shout out. It is a shame he couldn't have been around for this moment.

Just a bit outside

Uecker, Yogi and… who are the other two on the Mt. Rushmore of humorous ball players?

Bouton

Fidrych?

Wasn't around long enough for a Rushmore spot, but everything Munenori Kawasaki ever did or said was comedy gold

I watch the "monkey never cramp" clip about once a year

Kawasaki still playing in lower-level Japanese ball, true baseball man

What role do we think Woodruff has in this series? Is he gonna get a start? Low leverage guy? High leverage bulk?

bulk reliever

He hasn’t pitched since July. He ms max 40 pitches. Not a bulk reliever.

Contreras is allowed to go into the dugout during a commercial break? I don't think I ever realized players could do that

how do you think they pee?

I predict a bunt attempt.

Well, uh, that was bad

DOH

Bad bunt! bad!

Prediction was good. Attempt was bad.

This is such fun baseball – I'm sure there will be some ratings grumbling, but doing my part and I hope the baseball remains awesome

Pat Murphy tomorrow: we had him do a bunt pop-up so they would give him a pitch to hit out

That didn't look like the technique of somebody who had ever bunted in his life.

Cleavinger ain't got it tonight

RISPd AGAIN.

Lentz is going to have the plate tomorrow. i hope he gets his eyes checked before then.

I forgot about Gary Sanchez

Ask the padres about that.

And the Brewers are going to counter by calling the Dodgers and bringing in Freddy Freeman.

What a pick

Caminero flashing the leather!

This might be the first time all season Sanchez didn’t use at least one challenge

It’d be nice if they could have fewer commercial breaks.

I was unaware of Polymarket personally

Sometimes when the game goes into a ton of extra innings they run out of commercials and keep it at the field between innings

Furiously searching fangraphs to fact check the announcer's claim that Trevor Megill was a starter with the New York Mets

The answer is no. Tylor is not Trevor

ah, they're mixing up their T Megills…

Classic Megill mix-up

you have high expectations from X ballplayers

I miss Joey Ortiz. Such a good defender and I still believe in his bat

Oh man this would be an incredible moment for the first Simpson homer

The Homer Simpson if you will

anyone giving up a homer to him would definitely think "D'OH!"

What is the over under for Ray’s garbage time outs?

Uhoh

Well this got interesting

Shoulda caught that dude

Man, this game is living up to the hype.

Anybody know if there is a Junior Caminero Jr?

(haha imagine if Caminero pulls an Alonso here)

Moments like this are what separates baseball from the rest.

WHAT A BALLSY MOVE – double steal with your best hitter up there??

Oh man, I get not throwing Junior a pitch there, but on 3-2 to throw it in the dirt…..

Not impressed with this pitcher at all

This ain’t good

Oh my gosh, is Megill crumbling?

Giving away the game

I've been following silently as I wrote the mailbag, but hi everyone!

That's not the worst walk

And damn!

And also, he didn't check his swing

Totally agree

Please identify what a checked swing is.

This is great baseball!

And just like that a classic ending. And we get another one tomorrow!

THERE WE GO!!!

its the worst walk given that he already struck out

what a finish!

Well, this is a big challenge.

My god

HOLY GUACAMOLE

Not over!

Wow! What a brewers way to win

Liam Hicks has been disappointing this playoffs, I had him as an X Factor to lengthen that lineup

I'm not sure he's out at second

Oh no

I think he's off the bag

FWIW, this is where replay kills it – the game is over and if they bring it back now (even if it's close)

Imagine Megill having to get back to the mentality to get the last out

Yah that first throw sucks

Woahhh

Then review the check swing you fickers.

If this was an AFL game they could! (But with the AFL check swing rules it would still be a no-swing).

He is off the bag. This will eb overturned.

Business idea: telescoping cleats that maintain contact with the base

Yah all Turangs fault

Holy Toledo, is this not the most monumental replay challenge in replay challenge history?

Ask me after the next batter.

Remember when there wasn't replay?

Wowowowow

did we make a mistake by allowing reviews

Yes (unless they help my team)

Did they set off fireworks?

Is Andy Fletcher a guy who has ever been on tv before?

My exact comment to wife

Wow this game man

Steal home?

Contreras can't throw him out at least.

that's a perfect job for Joe West

The celebration smoke will blind DeLuca.

Well, that's not reviewable.

i have been looking for a very poopy cat to give him dewormer and i forgot that there was a baseball game. i am not a real sicko, forgive me

Do they have more fireworks available?

Baseball remains awesome.

And we get to do this again tomorrow!

Holy cow what a game

Good drama there

Delaying the inevitable.

Most entertaining 3-2 game I've seen in a while

Brewers playoff ball is entertainment at its finest

this is a good world series between good and entertaining teams, if it doesn't beat 2023 i'll be upset

thank god the angels arent in the world series cuz i would have to go to the ER if this happened to them

Incredible opening act to this series. I really hope it goes 7 (because I have tickets 😅)

Have a blast at the games you get to go to!

Thanks!

In 1967 I had tickets to game 6 and had to sweat out game 5 because the Red Sox were down 3-1.

This is looking like a good series.

Yeah that was pretty fun. I hope the rest of this series can be at least that good.

Sean, as always, thanks for having us over!

Hopefully we have 6 more!

Ken Rosenthal doesn't come up to Jacob Misiorowski's shoulder.

one bad thing when the WS being over is no more fun chats 🙁

I’ll miss these

"members-only Dominican League chats"

hot stove fg chats: nothing happens for a very long time until passan himself drops ordnance on all our houses

I’ll be at Puerto Rican league next month

lidom could feed families

we're essentially one step away from creating fangraphs discord

i am traveling to aus but with the melbourne team leaving the abl i likely won't be able to catch any games

what a crazy game though. pat murphy must be fuming (happy?)

Megill definitely did not slam any doors shut

I’m fine if it only goes 4

Great game tonight! See everyone tomorrow!


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Over/under for how many innings from bibee? He hasn't pitched in a week, vogt must be mad

I’m hearing under 1 and 2 from my FanGraphs coworkers.

I'm pulling for Cleveland tonight only because I love game 7s and them winning gives us a better chance at that

Games 7 *are* fun!

Good evening everyone!

Hello everyone. Steven Kwan is letting the beard grow and I am proud of him.

Armstong pitching. Is Nominative Determinism the new Moneyball?

Kwan. On. Fire.

So somebody on this broadcast seems to have read my article.

That article was excellent

Thank you!

If I'd had a little more time, I was going to do some fun graphics. You'd see a picture of José Ramírez or whoever with a big thumbs up, and then in huge letters at the bottom of the picture, it'd say "87.2 mph."

They really ought to give credit

I think the mindset is that if it's on the internet, it's there to use.

Is it just me or are there a lot of Guard fans there?

👍⚾️👍

Noted FanGraphs reader Ron Darling

Hello from Raleigh, everyone!

North Carolina, not Cal

I like how the motion sickness medicine ad makes me slightly sick

Hey guys! What's in Raleigh, Jon?

Open source coding conference

Greetings everyone… lets give this maybe one last go… I promise to be nice to Vogt for at least… awe who am I kidding. Glad to be here, GO GUARDS!

At this rate Armstrong going 9

At this rate, he'll have a Maddux.

It is very Maddux that he caught that himself!

The universe is telling us something.

New Balance nerfing Ohtani

Who makes those pitch coms? Yugo?

Old joke… You go…because it doesn't.

“Huh??” said everyone under 40 😆.

coding chat returns!

Can Joey tillo, or can he not illo…or maybe both??

Hey I hope everyone is having a great night 🙂 excited to watch some ALCS baseball

Can anybody help me? I am trying to come up with anyone who went from the outhouse to the penthouse as dramatically as Fastball Freddie did after his trade from the Mets.

I can do the opposite with Casey Blake in CLE… (Bauer both ways?)

Who at MLB thought "Baseball is Something Else" would be a compelling slogan?

Well the other option was “Baseball: we like strikes”

Alright everybody, best joke of the night has been achieved before we're out of the second inning.

Seriously, baseball is kinda cool would have been better

Baseball is baseball would have been better

Maybe they had “Just…baseball” and then Sydney ruined it?

I would like Szym to calculate how much money Kyle Snyder has increased the estimate for Freddy’s next contract.

Bailey having a rough series with challenges

After Hedgie was the single best in the preseason… the entire CLE team has been awful at it.

He's had trouble with ABS all season, which is a little surprising considering his framing skills

I would like to institute a three challenge rule with my wife.

I wonder if Simpson practices making the ball bounce up high like that

Most players train to lift the ball… what if he intentionally tries to top it as much as possible

Post-ground launch angle

lol he's going for yards after contact

I would love a player who made his living off the Baltimore chop.

Let the Simpson worship begin!

Could he BE any more safe?!?

Check that glove for pine tar… I legit dont know if this is legal…

Glad I logged on in time for the Friends reference

Thank you Mesa.

Words never spoken in CLE after 97…

I wish there was a food called a Baltimore chip

Now there is!

chop

Not sure I agree with Matt Festa as potentially the third reliever used in an elimination game

Yes it is very odd considering his reluctance to use him in close games in July

… and then the walk. Yi

Not fit to protect a six-run lead for an inning, but here…sure, why not?

A Festavus for the rest of us

Does the Trop have the most foul territory now that the Coliseum isn't a thing?

Also by “not sure” I mean “I do not agree.” Your report card will suffer, Vogt

I'm doing my best here!

I like the pronounced turf splash when the ball plunks down in the outfield

Yes bartender, I’ll have a Turf Splash with my Baltimore Chips

It the combo is called The Something Else

Well done, Sir

This may not be ideal for Cleveland

I think we're gonna need a bigger boat

Does this count as small ball? Multiple steals

Or a bigger bullpen.

I know Bibee was not great down the stretch but it is honestly hard to understand why he didnt start this game.

As a long (lifelong) suffering Cleveland fan, I'm ok with either of the other remaining teams winning this WS this year. The affinity I feel for lower budget teams is sorta like Larry David shouting "Prius!" at the other priuses on the road

I need the Rays to win this game before Cascade Platinum Plus infests my brain permanently in another game

That commercial drives me crazy.

Imagine being a dishwasher repair guy and just going from house to house saying, "Yeah, nothing for me to repair. You owe me $300 for the visit, though."

I keep hearing "double dong power" and giggle because I"m a child

Channel your disappointment at Vogt, Herrin. Yes, yes, let the evil flow through you.

Also, we tried those pods. The plastic didn't dissolve all the way and they made my dishwasher leak all over the floor.

That’s a feature. It’s called Expanded Water Radius.

They work great in mine.

So yesterday Vogt empties the tank completely when losing 3-0 but today he goes to Festa.

I am so perplexed.

I am both bemused *AND* amused

lol check the ball it him in the arm

BryanB, you're on fire tonight. Can you help me punch up articles?

Happy to. I have advanced dad joke skills.

After Pat Murphy facial expression analysis and the thumbs up and down article I have no notes

I'm vexed. I'm terribly vexed. Nothing against Festa. Seems like a cool guy and all. Something about espresso during the wbc?

YOu can always come back and win three straight in this best-of-9 series

Found Dusty Baker's burner account.

Strategy: HBP takes fewer pitches than BB.

Boy I sure am GLAD the CLE season comes down to a guy not good enough to protect a 6 RUN LEAD!!

He wouldn't even use Festa to protect a 6 run lead against the Reds in the dog days of summer.

Man, the sooner this bullpen game crap goes away the better. I don’t know what possesses a manager to think nine innings of tired pitchers who the other team is seen three or four times apiece makes any sense. Use your starters. If they don’t have it, pivot to a bullpen game,

Can we add that to the negotiations? Verlanders rules.

Just fire Vogt!

Has anyone done an article about bullpen games in the playoffs and if it ever works?

It definitely can work but it depends on your personnel. You eventually need pitchers you can trust in innings that matter so you need to consider that if you're managing

…especially in higher leverage games?

The individual games where teams bullpen have been split 14-14… the team that bullpens more has won 12-11 in series.

Since 2024 it is 10-4 for the most bullpeny team

or so my very quick AI search tells me

You probably need to look at counter factual pitchers instead of just looking at outcomes. Though, that doesn’t seem to be bad for the bullpen team. If I understand it right.

Is a counter factual pitcher… Fallacious?

That one skipped 3x off the lake

Sometimes it sounds like Franceour is talking to himself

Wow huge

Finally a good challenge at the right time.

What a great challenge

Hicks has been pretty good with challenges in the playoffs.

This is remarkable considering he was quite bad during the regular season, successful on just 49 of 87 challenges initiated as a catcher

guardians ran out of steam and now are getting BABIP'd, its really over

There were some babip goings-on yesterday too.

i missed yesterday (daughters birthday)

My intuition is that the luck cannot be as bad as it seems when watching. But then something like that keeps happening and it really may be.

Hoist'd on their own petard.

Excused absences are permitted

Guess what, Steven…Cantillo could have just started this game and giving you multiple innings. And then you wouldn’t have had a bunch of other pitchers pitching in unusual spots.

Magic 8 ball said NO.

chandler simpson might be my favorite non star in the playoffs

Oh WOW

Nice!

CHANDLER

The essential Chandler move

He was 3 the first season of ZiPS 🙁

Time is a predator.

What were his projections that year?

Ground ball, CMON

Ya I think we can just flat say that CLE got out coached in this entire series.

I generally like Vogt but I think he gets too cute at times. On the other hand I give him credit for getting this far with so little

I think its a despite him thing.

Vogt is a very good manager. 25 teams would hire him in a New York minute if he became available.

Good they can have him

I tend to agree with you. I just think there is only so much blood you can squeeze from a stone

FESTA as the BULLPEN ACE!!!!

Ha — it's so weird that he wouldn't have trusted Festa in a meaningless game in midsummer but here he was today.

potty training?

Already maxed on power.

I like Cantillo but Bibee would have been my choice to start today. Has decent history in playoffs if memory serves — at least before his relief appearance this year

The return of the bunt as an offensive weapon has added so much to the game this season

I'm as much an analytics guy as anyone, but bunt hits are so much fun!

That inning could have had a very crooked number.

Lineup churn he's though. #9 and then top of the order up next inning

If a manager can get a team this far with Jo Adell as your cleanup hitter you have to be good.

HE IS THE ONE HITTING ADELL CLEANUP!!!!!!!!!!!

I mean it speaks volumes that the lineup improved so much when the likes of Adell and Lowe joined.

Adell is all he has! Who's better? Manzardo?

almost literally yes

I hope they don't go with "small market disrupters" as the narrative if it's Rays Brewers. These teams had the best record in their leagues this year! They're just good teams!

"Baseball is something else"

No one else to use!

Oh man I wanted to see them challenge Mesa again

More horribly coached actions… DONT RUN INTO THE OUT!!!

Slick as hell double play!

Its not a double play if the runner stops

It might still be. Go to first for the force then get Lowe into a rundown. Lowe isn't fast enough to start, stop, start again and be obviously safe at second

So what… make them work for the out instead of gifting it

I am afraid that wasting that 1st & 2nd with no outs was the Guardians last chance.

If this score holds, every playoff series will have been won by the team with the better record.

Which might be a good omen for the Brewers

They gotta stop walking Walls

Tired: walking Walls

Wired: walling Walks

Man, walking Taylor Walls twice is really inexcusable.

What he said.

Taylor Walls legacy game at this rate

Some are calling him "The Petey Halpin of Game 6"

This is the problem with Cantillo

WHY IN THE WORLD IS CANTILLO PITCHING TO DIAZ HERE!!!

oh good get Espino up now…why be prepared or anything?

You want to keep your best relievers saved just in case you need to hold a deficit at six!

I wish the lady in that commercial just did better brushing her teeth so that she didn't have to be ambushed

The correct pitcher IS in there now at least

The magic 8 ball is right once out of 10 times

I have a bad feeling about this

Caminero sure does hit it to the deepest part of the park a lot

I think he heard me

I could take the Cascade commercial if after the guy says "Well now we know" if the dishwasher guy said "Knowing is half the battle!"

I have switched to Rays radio–was listening to Cleveland so far (my TV seems to have died). I love Tom Hamilton and his vowel(s), but it was getting depressing.

Hot take… Hamilton is mostly just an old curmudgeon anymore… He was legit great once… that time ended about 5 years ago.

same applies to Wilbon on PTI

I love Hamilton but he can get a little bit get off my lawn at times

Summer would not be summer without Ron Darling and Keith Hernandez opining on subjects like the true purpose of Area 51

Honestly, I'd be very wary of a product that shows teeth whiteness change in one day

Ron Darling's always fun because I imagine it's James Woods

Ooh good one

I appreciate someone who can be invested in his team without being a jerk about it. As a Sox fan, I am very done with Will Flemming, who is invested but struggles with the not being a jerk part.

I used to work in the garden and listen to Joe Castiglione. I just can't get into Will Flemming and seldom listen on the radio any more.

I had only Castiglione for 7 years–couldn't afford cable in grad school. His is the voice of baseball in my head.

Its weird like that, I only had a few years of Herb Score… Im not THAT old… and he is the voice in my head.

Given how this is going its time for Vogt to pull Espino for Bibee

I used to get really mad about broadcasters when I was younger, but I kinda got over it. Because like Nickleback, they're not really FOR me.

Also like Nickelback, we're not sure who they are for

I was raised on Hawk Harrelson so all the other broadcasters just seem weird to me

And if you're hanging out here, and paying to read our site, you're not really the target audience for them either

Broadcasters are there for some dude who watches 8 games a year and flips on it becuase it's the ALCS and he needs someone to explain why theres' a guy named Petey

I admittedly was also confused about Petey into this series

As I've aged, I've realized I'm not the target audience for much of anything besides Fangraphs

I was the target audience for the skateboarding Ray

Well, I’d like to see ol Freddy Peralta wriggle his way out of THIS jam!

*Peralta wriggles his way out of the jam easily *

Ah! Well. Nevertheless,

Is BA saying DeLauter's name correct? I was under the assumption that it was De-La-uter

in the end, are we not all of the uter

Chicago accent … DA law tr… is how I say it.

Dan, I cut a joke about those Knowing is half the battle PSAs from my article today.

I'm both proud and ashamed to admit my first concert was Nickelback when I was in 7th grade. I don't really listen to Nickelback anymore, but I had fun and perhaps against my better judgment, l like that one album, "All The Right Reasons."

But also if I never heard a Nickelback song again, I would be content

Matt, buddy, they publish these transcripts.

Davey, the Fensler Films GI Joe videos was the hit of 2004 nerdy online people

Oh my God, I'd completely forgotten about those.

were

Peralta departs, having pitched more innings than any Cleveland pitcher has gotten outs.

Should you find yourself rowing home from Troy, take Nereus

So, Nereus is apparently for counteracting the wrath of Posidon. Who knew?

I feel like Tanner Bibee is on the roster as some sort of punishment, like he has there and sit watching and SEE how little they trust him to pitch

I had exactly the same thought

He knows what he did

Just have to wait for the robot clone to be done like Festa…

Why not pinch hit Genoa here?

"SEE TANNER, LOOK WE'RE EVEN LETTING J-RAM PITCH BEFORE YOU"

Have we addressed that Tampa Bay has played multiple ALCS games wearing "Devil Rays" uniforms? What happened to dropping devil from the name? It's one thing for throwback jerseys but this seems like a concerted effort to reestablish devil in the name.

It's a luck thing – apparently liked their record in them

It's in the fine print of their Fasutian bargain

They're pulling out all the theological stops for the ALCS

They went down to the crossroads, and he said “You can have viable starting pitchers…but I’m taking the naming rights back.”

Society realized that gradients are cool

I wrote a song in 2020 about how you can't just sell your soul to the devil and then get it back by buying new uniforms. Looks like I was right.

I started some weird pandemic hobbies too. I get it.

White Sox had the Pope, the Rays? Well…

Beat me to this. Quick on the draw

They saw how far the White Sox got and decided they wanted more

I like that they're just the Rays because I can imagine it's just a bunch of guys named Ray

Like the Cleveland Naps

The original Ray is in New York

or the Charlotte Bobcats

The Jays?

RAY… when someone asks you if you are a DEVIL, you say YES!

🎶These are the Rays I know I know 🎶

If the Rays get the WS and get Brewers to an elimination game, they should choose then to whip out the never-before-seen red-and-black Tampa Bay Devils unis full of death imagery

"Nate Lowe, standing and smiling"

Not watching TV all year and then watching commercials during the playoffs is an Interdimensional Cable fever dream and also makes me feel bad about humanity

Ads represent us at our worst

The founding fathers really screwed up putting election season during the mlb postseason. I hate that I watch way more network tv when political ads are most frequent.

Believe me its worse in Ohio

I live in Utah and I even get the Ohio and Texas ads! Like why guys

but you'll have clean dishes and teeth

and you'll know just what to ask your doctor about if you have motion sickness and want to go on a boat chase

I'm watching via HBO because I don't really have TV, and there are no ads! It's been lovely, and made me glad the Brewers swept because Fox definitely does have ads.

This should be HBO's entire pitch to get more subs

Forgot about HBO! I've been watching via Sling like a chump!

What is a self driving network

I dont know but can it bring me my bag of Chipotle that is twice my volume?

The graphic in the Crest commercials suggests that sparkly toothpaste goes right into your bloodstream

Is that not how it works? I might be doing it wrong.

Only if you have gingivitis

Good use of the RH PH there Vogt… you genius!

There's a buffet right behind the Rays bullpen. Do you think the relievers ever ask for a snack?

They're not saying boo, they're saying BOOOOOOOOOOOS

Cam Booser, reliever who throws it exactly where he wants it. What universe is this?

(I think they're just cheering)

Booser has been so impressive. The Rays' Ashby.

New plan guys… lets get Baker's fingers greasy on fried food. We are going to need about 8 walks to win this as one will surely get caught stealing.

Who are the red-bearded Rays pitchers. They all look the same. Rasmussen, Baker, Booser, and I think at least one more. ?Kelly? It's kind of crazy

It's the new moneyball

Buck Showalter does *not* approve.

Cade Smith has spent a lot of time pitching from behind lately

Extremely nitpicking complaint: Darling has been saying "bulks pitcher" instead of "bulk pitcher" all postseason and it's driving me up a wall

Yale does *not* approve.

they're the ones who give up RsBI

That looked like a screwball

bang!

Wow, what a way to cap this series

Is exhausted Cade Smith > Tanner Bibee?

Nope

Hmmm, has Cade Smith pitched enough now?

That feels like the one that does it

Junior has just been camping on the high inside stuff all series

HE POINTED AT RANDY AND DID THE RANDY POSE!!!

I love that he pointed to Randy and hit the Randy pose. What a move.

loved that sound off the foul pole

I feel bad for Cade. He did every they asked this year and he just ran outta gas

Junior with a little LiDom flavor on his way to 1B lol

Big Papi meandered so Caminero could amble

Pallacio with the thermawrap on in the dugout. Stars, they’re just like us

Looking like the Guardians might need to Chase DeLaudanum

Could they bring Randy back? Would he come back for the $2.25 an hour plus tips that they'll offer him?

Look I am happy for Jr. but I just wish he still played for CLE… im not sure about this Myers guy

No income tax on the tips

330’ off the label is big time bat speed

The robot version of Megan Fox is not an improvement.

Like tears in rain

There's a non robot version of Megan Fox?

I like how Scotch-Brite makes sure you know that they're America's number one scour pad since that's really important to viewers

I DUNNO IF I CAN TRUST THE NUMBER TWO SCOURING PAD

You and I are not seeing the same ads

Are the tru tv/tbs stream commercials very different than broadcast?

apparently as we are both in Ohio? and I also did not get the scotchbrite add

Has the tree fallen in the forest?

I'm in California watching on tbs streaming

thought Dan was

Am I referencing things nobody knows WTF I'm talking about?

I'm on the stream

The internet has ruined a shared culture! /s

how long have been referencing commercials that only I am seeing?

Guardsball!

If it’s any consolation, I share your skepticism of second-place scouring pads as a principle, even absent any context.

October 19, 2026: Dan discovers that people are just listening to him and politely smiling and moving on

I mean, I genuinely have enjoyed it, and I'm not seeing ANY ads!

I haven't seen the scouring pad ads.

Neither have I. But I HAVE seen the bizarre Jay Leno car contest ads with the cello player. I doubt that plays outside of California but it is WEIRD

Listening to the game on MLB AtBat app, and what I’m getting is that the ads that no one likes are more entertaining than the game.

You getting the Byrna ads?

Like it probably just feels this way but it really really feels like every margin play has gone for the rays

I'm not convinced of the necessity of scouring pads. I just buy sponges with the coarse part on the back, and I have survived so far.

My wife bought the non stick pots. I was skeptical but I will never go back

I got a big set of Le Creuset as a graduation present 22 years ago. Enamel still intact.

Fielder positioning just slightly wrong, HR hits foul poll, Popup just stays in

I'm getting ads for America's vices and AT&T

HBO Max coverage is presented without ads by PayDay, the candy bar, so I'm going with that was a reasonably cheap ad buy…

Peanuts, one might say

My goodness.

What about the lying Sherrod Brown ads?

I've been getting those all month

The Pepsi ad with the 90s song about a crys*l bender gets me every time.

My current ad is telling me that my financial planner will definitely cheat at basketball

Thrivent reminds me of Vivint, who bamboozled me into an expensive home security system that I had to promptly remove and refund once I came to my senses

is walking the bases loaded bad

I did it lots in high school, and I'm still alive

7 more to go

my specialty was HBPing them loaded. More efficient

Patrick Bailey. Do it

Patrick Bailey could become the Aaron Boone of Marco Scutaros right here

Homer Bailey, World Series Hero?!

Do it for Buster!!

Ohhhh goodness Patty that’s two of em

Bailey will replay that 3-1 cookie in his mind for a long time

This could be the beginning of an epic collapse

suddenly looking great for my offhand prediction yesterday of 6-5

6

Ian Seymour… please

Very interesting

This is what happens when you don't look where you're throwing

This is the scenario I was dreading when they put in the 3-batter rule.

They need to stop doing that.

5

Should've seen less, not Seymour

Nothing to see here. It's just the northern lights.

That's textbook intentionally getting hit by Martínez. He turned away from the pitch while leaning into it. Well done

A Sam Antonacci special

Indeed, a beautiful example of taking one for the team.

you guys bought fries for Kelly too, Right?

Who is this pinch runner? I swear I've never heard his name before.

One offseason, I'd for MLB to tell umpires "Hey, you know that HBP rule that you've been ignoring 100% of the time about making an effort to avoid getting hit? Can we try enforcing that?"

Back in the day I feel like there were a couple of umpires who had the guts to call it. I haven't seen it in a long time.

Rocchio one of the preeminent wielders of dark magic in my experience

Spoken like a true White Sox fan

Dark as in he swings as if he’s in the dark? Crazy strike three swing

welp

Counterpoint: why should a batter have to make an effort to avoid getting hit?

They should not have to avoid getting hit, just avoid intentionally sticking something in the way to get hit, IMO.

Just 5 walks short

Rocchio didn't have his magic wand with him this time.

Jeez. Maybe shorten up the swing just a *smidge* there, Rocchio?

That was really damn scary for the Rays

That was probably the final scare

They will get top of the lineup leading off the 9th, too

Against Baker though. And he hasn't been Cade Smith'd (ie hasn't pitched in 9 consecutive games)

Kelly could have thrown a beach ball and Rocchio would miss it there

almost like you should save the PH for when it matters

He was swinging for the Keys

In fairness, it’s his job to do big damage as the no. 9 hitter.

I think the turn away from the pitcher but not actually get further from the ball move is a-okay (morally and aesthetically, not with respect to the rules that I won't claim expertise on). Actually leaning into it is a no-no in my book

I was taught that move too, and I appreciate it. But if I were king, I'd still say it should count as leaning into it. Because it is.

Rocchio has looked, uh, not great at the plate.

I have been wondering, if a batter is HBP by a ball in the zone but the ump allows the HBP, if the pitching team can ABS challenge

That's a great question!

A dog vet named Dr. Lobos? That sound suspicious

Tell me this was an ad

They should be able to challenge anything. Ask ABS if ketchup should ever be on a hot dog

Call confirmed. Yes

I'm against ABS now

was JRam subtly grooving to that music or was it just camera shake

Was just typing, “do you stick with Kelly to start the ninth given Baker’s velo loss?” Apparently the answer is no.

Oh they walked Walls again

clearly afraid of the mighty bat of Walls in this series

Yandy!

Welp.

The final nail!!

That was mostly Walls.

To be fair, if you walk Walls three times you deserve that.

Gotta get to Diaz, right?

That one feels like the dagger

Well, that's a quick way to get the runs back

TOD 10:55 PM

if you talk big stuff you better do big stuff!

OK, NOW bring out the chase de laudanum

"he's not only a good hitter, he's also comically muscular"

I like to imagine that Yandy is pronounced "y and y"

Or “Why, Andy?”

Depeche Mode misheard lyrics

I say it exactly how John Travolta says "Sandy?!" in Grease the first time he sees Olivia Newton-John after their time apart

Guys im not the oldest one in the chat anymore!!

I need more walks 🙁

Yandy! sounds like a birth control that has obnoxious commercials

Which only you can see.

Too bad for CLE there wasn’t a 5 batter rule

I love when they find a different camera angle that provides no useful information or visual

I’ll watch any angle of 112 to the back of the bleachers

Also… Im happy for Yandy I just wish he still played for CLE.. I am not sure about this BAUERS! guy…seriously this is a postseason of ex CLE players making CLE feel bad.

Lotta layers to this one

How do they get topical bumper music ready so quickly?

the AL Central sends its failed 1B to Milwaukee and weird things happen

Not at all sure Yandy should be jumping on guys for bear hugs. Seems like a great way to lose Martinez (?) for the WS with ruptured discs or something.

*stares in kendrys morales*

In 2013 David Ortiz had this thing where he would pick up Koji Uehara and carry him around after every playoff save. I was terrified one or both of them was going to get hurt.

I loved that team!

Man what a game

Since I'm 84, I doubt if you ever were.

whew I'm a mere 48

The AL central has once again been mercifully dispatched

We're getting a new champion

Now what do I do for the next 3 days?

Right?

OOTP?

Did he just make a Hurricane Milton joke?

I get some extra time to write my NLCS Dave Roberts report card

That's the one I've been looking forward to.

Glad you're the one writing it!

I expect carnage in the Vogt one!

Welp. The one WS matchup possible where I dislike both teams. Baseball ends a little early for me this year.

Will the FG team flet us know if there’s a Jeff Sullivan sighting in the celebration?

how can one dislike the brewers AND rays. That's pop on toast!

I mean, look at my flair. It’s more about loyalties (though I have always unreasonably hated TB’s uniform situation).

We’re in for quite a World Series I think

Looking forward to more exhilarating chat on Saturday night but lasting through this upcoming 4 day fast will be tough.

I think we should spend the next four days inventing a new stat that perfectly predicts the score in each game. Aaaaand go!

World Series is chalk. Payroll be damned both #1 seeds won the pennant

Enjoy the rest of the postseason folks. It's been fun.

Amazing that the rays have won two pennants this decade while spending no money at all.

I like the Rays green jerseys

How does the Rays farm compare to the Brews?

Beer>Skate

I think the Rays have oranges and the Brewers have barley and hops.

FG has the Rays #1 overall.

WS should be fun. See you folks there!

Good night all!


Members-Only Game Thread: ALCS – Oct 18, 2026

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Hey! Everyone, we got a dinner-time game today, so we won't be up late, but we do have NFL football to compete with. Though the Tampa Bay game just ended. And the Browns already won.

man, "And the Browns already won." feels like a sentence from an alternate timeline…

Tampa. Need them to win pennant to cash this ticket. They’ve done me well. Al east cashed. I need two more wins. I love fan graphs, love the site. I really appreciate the service.

Sigh…

Think the ball is carrying better today

for sure

o/u number of times Messick growing up a Rays fan is mentioned?

It's still weird to me that we're at the point where guys in the big leagues "grew up as" as a Rays fan. They're not that old and they didn't really have fans their first decade

Depends how long he lasts, not off to the greatest start here…

What are you guys talking about?

Baseballs?

He had to challenge that!

Terrible challenge

But not this one.

It’s still way too early for this.

According to last night its time to bring the infield in

The challenges have been just bizarre all postseason.

That bobble by Rocchio could turn out to be the play of the year.

Still a lot of baseball left here

Guards have not been playing clean D the last couple, and they really have to for Guardsball to work

I feel like in the regular season, you load the bases like that and 3 plus runs score. Postseason you get dinged one run, and no one scores again until the 7th inning.

This postseason in particular seems to be selecting for better pitchers moreso than better hitters

How much does this start lead to questioning starting Bailey over Hedges with Messick?

I am trying to understand why DeLuca didn't challenge the 2-0 pitch. The leverage index couldn't have been much higher and his body language said he knew it was a ball.

wanted more than one run!

Use challenges when the leverage calls for it. i

We also don’t get an outfielder running over the parabolic mic guy in the regular season either.

I know hitting is tough but a major leaguer should not swing through those two fastballs in the heart of the zone.

hate both of these teams

Upholding the Yankee fan stereo types… "if we cant win I hate everything and everyone" lol

I can't judge. I hate them back.

people have ask for a "Neither" option in the polls, but that was more for the Yankees games.

no like i particularly hate the guardians' fake offense for how much it gets praised as the only "real baseball" and the rays now adopting it over the past few seasons. swing for the fences like a real team or at least put up a Brewers-level team OBP

cry more… im thirsty

oh yeah? i will

The babip gods are making their presence felt here

How much longer can you ride Messick here?

mostly tough babip luck

The infield shifts have ummm not worked… those were both easy outs/potential double plays

check swings feel like the hardest thing for me to see in real time from CF cams. I’m wrong all the time.

Hi everyone!

What a gift for Messick.

no team deserves to have given up 2 runs on 5 hits in 2 innings of allowing a .188 xBA as much as cleveland

You watch a LOT of CLE games for a Yankee sellout shill.

you think i'm watching this

not sure you know where you are let alone what you are watching

I get it Sean… Ill back off. Just dont like the trolls and wanted to push back a bit. Most Yankee fans are not like this.

Pretty sure Junior would swing at a ball into the stands

Is that Ronald Acuña ad for Kalshi any less weird with the volume on?

I’d say it’s more weird

It's much weirder with the volume on

He lives in a tunnel under home plate, is that the premise??

Yes and you should bet on it or something?

I bet he actually lives in a house.

THAT should be a Kalshi bet

Keebler Elf tree.

Probably a large one.

Wow what a catch

A good poll would be which commercial do you hate the most?

Liberty Biberty is in the mix

There is an obvious answer to this question but it is not a fit topic for a baseball chat.

How will Cleveland cover 27 outs here?

Dunno but I'm excited to find out

Okay, this is random, but what about letting the winning team in the postseason pick a player from the opposite team for the rest of the post? I know, I’m crazy.

Wow, those 2014 Royals…

This would be a fantastic offseason/lockout article, actually. Say, postseason series of the 2020s where the victor takes a player from their opponent…perhaps Dan can ZiPS up the biggest additions

Simpson is in their heads

Broadcast booth has a collective Speed Boner.

they're just like me!

I mean yes, but can’t blame them

Is it a prerequisite for being a playoff broadcaster that you have to wish the game were still played like it was in the ‘80s?

That's how they train them in broadcasting school.

Rays are going to score 1 run every inning to win 9-0.

My hot take on bunting is that showing bunt should be treated as a swing and therefore often a strike

That has to be caught!!!

Rays relaxed on challenges

I think Simpson tried to high five the ump

The ump was holding the bat out but Simpson was too far away to grab it

RISP kings

With the lack of travel day after this it makes this feel more critical than the average 2-2 game 5. Loser is gonna have to really ride their A bullpen

Can we get a return interview with Jeff after the Rays win the WS to breakdown the minutia of the playoff decisions, positioning, pitching strategy… or is that too proprietary to ever become public?

Brew Crew might have something to say about that!

Brewers certainly look like the team to beat to my eyes

Who is the target audience for Limu Emu and Doug?

Stoners?

Haters of all that is good and right?

We should have Jeff and August face off against each in podcast before the WS starts.

* said with the caveat, I have no power to make this happen.

Are there Fangraphs alumni reunions at the Winter Meeting ever?

All the time, and Saberseminar. Though team employees have more restrictive schedules during Winter Meetings.

Wow

That was a fun bunt

This is a real fun team

Ill admit that was super smart and well executed.

Just a great opportunity to catch them off guard: relatively fast runner who can't really hit anyway, lefty reliever on the mound

If the WS is Milwaukee against Tampa, it should be a very entertaining defense and baserunning show. When was the last time there was more team speed than that in the World Series?

Probably one of those Royals teams with Dyson, Cain, Gore, etc

So quickly you forget Eckstein… FJM remembers…

But KC played the Giants, who I don't remember as overly fast.

I did not think Kwan had a chance in the world there

This inning has had some serious excitement

Kwan has the best weak arm in baseball

The one-run-per-inning thing looks to be in jeopardy.

oh well.

love me an exciting scoreless inning (when it's not my team failing)

The circumstances are setting up for Rasmussen to potentially go deep in this game

Cleveland really needs a baserunner. It's been a too long.

there ya go

the challenge furthered the stated goal.

I've been getting some other work done, and I swear every time I looked up the Rays were on base.

That's a good challenge.

What does it say about the state of these commercials all month that I'm grateful for a Wendy's ad?

it says you are sane

I like that they are bringing back the yellow packaging.

Now we need more solariums.

Magic 8 ball says Sabrowski

Holy cow

I mean, Walls certainly isn't in there for his bat

The margin feels much bigger than 3 runs

I've used the word feckless a lot in the last 30 minutes talking about Cleveland's offense.

Not one feck

In all seriousness the biggest difference in this game has been defensive positioning… Rays =Great, CLE=Bad

On the broadcast the other day, they compared Rasmussen to Doc Halladay… feels apt after this postseason

Is it just me or could Sabrowski be Messicks brother?

Another TB baserunner…I looked up at the TV.

Not for long!

That was the first time all series Bazzana did that right

Was he even running?

Do teams give players scouting reports for the likely defensive alignment they will face on a given night vs a given team vs a given pitcher… Do we know the level of detail in that sort of prep?

That was middle-middle to both Kwan and Ramirez

Alright Cleveland is awake

🥱

Here we go

now its up to everyones favorite former angels player

sike never mind

lol shortest half inning ever

I’ve been shouting at the team to take Rasmussen out but did he listen to me? Nooooo.

Welcome to my world with Vogt.

The reverse communication function on TVs never works as well as it should.

Stunning to see Cash, notorious for yanking pitchers, leave Rasmussen in.

Surprised Rasmussen doesn't use that changeup more

Brilliant to not challenge in order to forgo the strikeout in favor of the double play

That’s advanced fortune telling

ah, not challenging because you had the double-play pitch charged up, Rays are streets ahead

80-grade reference

Well of course you’re gonna lose weight if you have diarrhea, nausea, and vomiting

Ah man I was hoping all three would

Oh man I was hoping all three would hit each other

I don't love taking out your best hitter in the 8th

Has DeLuca hit a ball?

It's always an adventure with DeLauter

That is a very kind way of saying it

Not a huge fan of chasing this game with Cade Smith with no more off days.

Vogt strikes again!

Cleveland bullpen would look way deeper with Clase

Cade here is…questionable

two more ABs for cleveland though… Vogt betting on his bats

Is Stephen Vogt trying to mismanage the bullpen so badly that he gets fired and can take the open Seattle job so that his wife gets to be by her family again?

4D Chess

I think I want JoRam up to lead off the 9th if I'm Vogt

Unless I want the seattle job I guess

Kwan on fire today

Really bad swing decision, but it worked out for him.

nice wedge play there

The visiting bullpen labyrinth shot

Ahh man I like Booser

Feels like you have to go to Baker here, even if it burns him for the 9th

That was huge

If I’ve learned anything from these commercials it’s that Americans are very sick and very in need of insurance

Jake Bauers should get an insurance commercial gig

This is correct.

Yep

I take that back. We are in need of health care.

Oh wow was that pitch outside

There’s a lot of depressed vampires here tonight. I mean broken bats.

Yandy is…inevitable.

Wondering what happens if the Guards come back and we go to extras without Yandy and Junior.

Dogs and cats living together, it’ll be anarchy!

This is a lot of pitches for Smith given that he's basically guaranteed to pitch in every remaining game in this series

Martinez in there for defense?

Not the ball-catching kind. A different kind.

He is Vogt's talisman this year… Why there is one obviously terrible player who he decides to ride into defeat each year is another question all together.

White Flag warming up in the bullpen.

Poor guy.

Did you see the moon behind him?

Kwans game

That catch sounded weird, right? Like the double tap of a foul tip.

Ohhhh. It bounced off the wall — but THROUGH his glove.

Imagine if that matters… says the CLE fan hopefully.

Kwan trying to win this game himself

Kwan is the defensive replacement

Mesa (and Junior) need to stop being selfish

WOW

what a giant glove

Who is this guy in the AT&T commercials? His voice is odd.

He's the new Lily. Prepare to see him even more during the NCAA tournament.

He’s no Lily.

You people leave the sound on for commercials?

Yah…

I mean the remote is at least two feet away…

Given the nature of the adds in Ohio… off is the only option. Like leave the game muted to avoid the breaks only option.

Good AB dude

lol wth dude

oof

How many times do you practice that?

Knoblauch

i thought lowe tattooed that

in an elevator shaft

Adell … the first pitch and it was right in the heart again…

I mean I’m for the Rays but credit to the Guards, they never give up

may cost them tomorrow if the Rays get to Sabrowski, Gaddis or Cade…

But it may not!

Definitely one of those options

can't wait for the 6-5 game tomorrow

What am I going to do when the WS is over 😭😭😭

stare out the window and wait for spring… or read Fangraphs

Alright everyone. We got at least one more LCS game tomorrow. See you then!


Members-Only Game Thread: ALCS – Oct 17, 2026

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Hi everyone! The weather looks clear though cold in Cleveland tonight. https://www.wunderground.com/hourly/us/oh/cleveland

Poll is the same as yesterday, since we didn't play that game.

elsewhere in the midwest, a millvillemeltdown realizes they forgot all their hoodies, sweatshirts, and light jackets when packing

I broke mine out again this morning.

Hello, Sean.

Hi!

i love hoodie weather. slightly less pleasant without the hoodie though

i borrowed a cardigan that is just a bit too threadbare to protect against the wind

Sweatshirt weather is the best weather.

14 hours at an analytics conference and I am ready for a break *immediately logs into FanGraphs*

Hopefully this is more fun. Though, any analytics conference sounds fun to me right now, too.

For those who have never been, CLE is not like SF in fall. That 43 feels like 35 at most.

i spent a bit of time in the bay area one december and was thoroughly unimpressed

my staunch opinion, and maybe this is informed by abnormal physiology, is that hoodie/sweatshirt weather extends past 0°C

to my chagrin, i was raised in the South

Any reason why neither team went with their game 1 starter tonight? Wouldn't they be on regular rest now?

hubris

a less flippant answer might depend on, like, the pregame work they did yesterday?

It looks like Griffin will be the bulk guy actually. Not sure why you keep Rasmussen out for a day though

granted he didn't look too sharp his last start

Would starting tomorrow line up his throw day with Game 7 potentially?

Maybe? But you'd think pitching today would only make him more rested for a possible game 7

May have something to do with now having to play 4 days in a row with no travel day.

Yeah I guess this makes it more likely you can use both Martinez and Rasmussen in a potential game 7, but that seems pretty specific

Over under on combined K's tonight? I am setting the line at 19.

on one hand, kwan and simpson. but on the other, Jordon Scott Adell

Ya Cle is not that K prone and neither is tampa (lowest in MLB)… but both pitching staffs are.

Love the full name lol… for reasons inexplicable to even myself, I still say Clifton Pfifer Lee whenever his name is mentioned

his name isn't joseph! which the mariners did not know when they let him rob 3 hrs

Tom Emanski is upset.

Zombie Tom Emanski is an available username

It would be a great idea to do an article about a sloppy defensive game from the point of view of Tom Emanski. I'm writing that down.

second

davy singlehandedly keeping notgraphs running like weekend at bernie's

Please make sure to include a supporting comment from Baseball Superstar Fred McGriff.

ohhh that's why butler is lawdog

Have people picked up on the change in the lyrics that the fans sing for Chase's walkup?

The “hit a homer”? Yeah, that’s pretty awesome.

Did not expect a Kyle Lohse name drop! Loved that guy

now why are you running on Victor Mesa Jr

Hello all!

Pretty fantastic stuff from Griffin that inning

Is nine pitches and two strikeouts good?

I didnt like the move at the deadline… I thought that they traded Will Dion (6+years) for Will Dion (.5 years)…. I was very likely wrong….

wills dion are fleeting, ephemeral… flags fly forever…

fleeting and ephemeral is exactly how I would have described Griffins first half at the time… lol… Like I said it was a bad take.

we'll see how dion develops, he looks to be solid at least

when did they add the "ball in dirt" animation to gameday

If Aranda runs through there, wonder if everyone is safe

i think it'd only work if they were trying to stay out of the dp

because if the pivot holds onto the ball, they can try and catch him between 2b-3b

That's probably true. Just looked weird to stop right in front of a force out

Yeah Aranda looks like he slipped a bit. It was a closer play than they made it out to be.

Petey Halpin always finds the action

With all the love in my heart, he caught that like a Petey

A remarkable athletic play that was like 20% derpy

What was the exit velo and angle on that?… I have a feeling on a warmer night that was out

110.7, 29 degrees, per Gameday

110.7, 29

110.7 at 29 degrees

"xba 1.000"

out in 17/30

So Petey covers 13 stadiums. News you can use

cheers guys!!

interestingly, both cle and tb in the parks it's not a hr in

If I back calculate an Xdistance from the numbers I get 433 which is definitely out in both…

depends heavily on atmospheric factors + spin

for sure. That was for neutral wind and normal cle temp/humidity… should have used game conditions

also was in that odd pocket where the tall wall starts

TNT doing an embedded Waste Management ad instead of letting the audience hear the crowd sing was a choice

thankfully hammy and rosey calling attention to it

Brutal for Walls

do they gotta put genao on for tbazz?

Boy with possibly 4 straight days of games I'd be trying to get more innings from Griffin who looked mostly really good tonight

If anyone here has any logic to how Vogt uses the bullpen ever let me know because I have given up… I think its literally a magic 8 ball.

if he goes to gaddis or smith today i'm going to be really disappointed

Pick the worst possible reliever and the worst possible time and prepare for disappointment. Just not Festa… he is a MYTH

If it's close he will absolutely use them

matt festa, zero innings pitched

espino this early bodes poorly for me

Espino being nasty makes me happy. Hopefully he gets a solid career

Yeah, even if he’s just a filthy reliever that would be great given we all assumed his career was shot

Legit think they should make him a short stint starter next year and just go for something like 120 innings… If the BB rate is under 4.5 he is going to be very very good.

he sure feels like a leverage guy rn

Googling MLBPA service time pension milestones…let’s get him to 4 years before they try to stretch him out again

i think bazz should not steal here. he probably will try to, though

Two big double plays in the fifth

1.000 ops Bailey was amazing while it lasted

That feels like something you can’t do and win

ya walking 2 guys for JCam is a bad plan

Guessing 116 on that one

Another 110 but absolutely smoked

Hit his spot at 98 and Junior did that. He’s so good.

gave up the run but one of the best things in baseball is a good outfield relay. Kwan played it well off the wall and made a quick throw, keeping one of the fastest players in baseball at 3rd

Tootblan?

Tootblan

contact play= not TOOTBLAN…???

So am I wrong that infield in is dumb here?

Seems like runs are nearly impossible to come by this postseason, so I get it

I mean, that was a heck of a pick by Lowe

The slide was 2 feet from home plate

My most dad quality is reflexively saying "Nice block" whenever I'm watching baseball, even if I'm alone in my apartment.

Also, hi

Guards have been doing this all post-season—stopping the big inning. They gotta feel pretty good with only one there.

ESPN win probability estimate says the Rays went from 79% WP after the Caminero double to 60% now. Huge escape there

Is the plan to pitch Peralta in this inning and start him in G6?

Center field is not where the hits are tonight

Middle infield is, though

I thought DeLauter probably should've caught that

That looked so catchable…

He was too busy pretending to attempt to catch it

Is that a swing by automated checks?

Ball dont lie I guess

Yandy if there were ever a time to challenge, that was it

Yandy is so committed to the never challenging bit

I do hope they go through with the new check swing rule they're testing in the minors

oof

This is a rough inning for DeLauter

OH NO

HE GRISHAM'D IT

Wow, DeLauter looking like a good DH today

Petey Halpin needs to play every position

infield in = dumb… I am vindicated?

If Cleveland scores 3, definitely.

Chandler Simpson hitting a ball >300 feet, what a time to be alive.

WHY NO THROW??? I know it was near pointless but so is not throwing

Guess no one is challenging anything tonight?!

too cold

So I missed this earlier, I assume Peralta is scheduled to be the game 6 starter and today is just a throw day, so no adverse consequence?

I dont know what that is in the bullpen but I am positive that it is not the REAL Festa….

Patty barrels makes way for Pummelin' Petey

Playoff Patty poking Posey in the eye

Jk Pummelin' Petey is getting pinch-hit for

Bailey for Tugboat I adored at the time… looks better every day.

Honestly if Buster Posey calls with a trade idea, just say yes

My Guardians fan friend has taken to calling Angel Martinez "Devil" because of his recent struggles

Back to back hits by Bazzana and Bailey:
107.8 EV, 21º, 374 ft.
107.9 EV, 20º, 375 ft.

As a Yankee fan, who is this person and what did he do to Ian Seymour

ah, good, more intense baseball for me

INFIELD IN=DUMB!

Guardsball! I yell over and over. My dogs are hiding under the bed but I can’t stop yelling Guardsball!

After the NL series, I’m not used to the bullpens allowing so many runs.

Resource scarcity. Used to be you had several Ashbys available. These days there’s just the one

If this is Festa now… I am going to start cheering for the Rays.

time to change that team flair then

This is the first time I’ve seen him throw and I’m enjoying his whole deal so far

Festa is by no means terrible… which is why it was soo soo odd that he was never used to this point and still kept on the roster… it was/is maddening.

I just got home from seeing the Nathan Fielder movie about the fraud lady, which is completely insane. I gather there has been a lot of Ray and then more recently some modest Guard.

A comedy? Love me some NATHAN FOR YOU

It's supposedly a documentary, but with Fielderish layers.

You did this Vogt… You broke me!

Seymour almost just ruined the entire game for the Rays

There’s still time

I will say this, the Guards are showing why they deserved to win over CWS

Vogt’s going to start pitching everyone on 3 weeks rest now

Booth gassing up Seymour to get 9 outs fell apart fast.

Yah they clearly saw Seymour

The slo mo replays of Guards hitting him really highlighted his head whack. It was probably 50% camera angle and 50% knowing the result of the AB but it looked wild.

Maybe Aranda is deaf like Nate Lowe

Ah we're into the alliterative part of the Tampa Bay bullpen

Pitchers are supposed to pitch STRIKES, right?

Nope, supposed to get OUTS.

Thats the game with the bigger ball and the smooth pieces of wood on the floor.

Soooo close

Pitcher #653

Smith is up… WTF VOGT!@@!@!@@!!!

It's his bullpen day

He's committed to driving you away

All catchers hate pitchers.

I think that ball is still going

It’s in the lake, but not the one you’re thinking of

ooh

I wonder if Cam Booser ever faced Seth Beer in the minors.

Guys its been good… Vogt is about to bring in Smith because the 8 ball (PG version) said so…. Im gonna need a new hobby… suggestions?

Saved by the actually good decision to leave in Festa's robot clone… lets bring back a bit of the flair…

Well, that might just about do it.

He doesn't hit that off Smith! /s

Oof this game was interesting for a bit.

[SpongeBob 'aight imma head out' meme]

And now a new pitcher burned… WHY? JUST WHY???

I’m surprised that went out

I thought it was going foul off the bat. I am … not a smart man.

Ange- err, flappy bois in the outfield carried it a bit farther

Same

I was really enjoying Festa’s whole deal

i completely fell asleep and woke up to the chekov's festa

I am not joking when I say that Vogt is so bad at bullpen strategy that he should be removed from all decisions.

TNT needs to check back in on that sad lady with the row of empty Miller Lites

Not impressed with the home ump

Really bringing in Baker?!?

it sounds like he's been warm, you don't want to (ahem) "dry hump" him too much

Cash is jealous of Vogt's MOTY trophies.

lol even the score bug knew that was a ball

Junior having a hard time finding the ball

Whoa, Cantillo bullying Junior with three straight changeups.

Anyone else think Tampa should have tried to finish this out without using Baker? You potentially play 4 days in row here and at minimum need to play three days in a row. I feel like I’d try to preserve him in a non-save situation

Ya this is a horrible horrible use of Baker.

Cash is honoring Joe Maddon by bringing his closer into a non save situation in Cleveland. Surely these extra reps won’t come back to bite Tampa

So which of these teams would be more of a challenge for MIL? I feel like either staff would be vulnerable to the relentlessness, but TBR could at least hit some homers to compensate, particularly if Junior ever wakes up.

rays absolutely a better team. cleveland is more pesky than good

I think of Tampa as like 85% of what Milwaukee put together. They do all the same things just not as good.

Cleveland would be a tougher series for Milwaukee. Cold weather, playoff tested, better rotation and bullpen

its 7 games I would ballpark the actual odds difference at around 1.5% in favor of the Rays vs MIL vs CLE

good call by hammy, baker's velo is down

Series is tied! We might get 7 games here.

the proximate brewers fan: yes… ha ha ha… YES!!!

he's sitting 92 after averaging 96ish?

Alright everyone! Let's do this again tomorrow around 5PM ET.


Members-Only Game Thread: ALCS – Oct 16, 2026

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the brewers fan in my vicinity has stated "i don't care who wins this series, only that it goes 7" which. i think is fair at this point

but wouldn't MIL lose some of its momentum?

how massive is milwaukee. i figure their collective inertia should carry them a while

7 games with two extra inning games in TBR.

Though there's two off days between a game 7 and game 1 of the WS. Which is plenty of time of a bullpen to recover. SP might not be lined up.

I wouldn't mind more baseball games.

without giving away too much, i got an interview in baseball thanks to seeing a posting on fangraphs! thanks fangraphs!

eyo, grats!

that's awesome! good luck!

congrats!

did you have to fight through AI resumes and AI HR screening?

… don't remind me of the hell that awaits me after my thermo midterm…

honestly no, it was a pretty lightweight application and process thus far

I'm scared if I had to apply for jobs again.

i'm hearing all my classmates complain about r. i have never used r. i keep reading that i should learn r, upskilling and whatnot, and i just don't want to.

i wrestle with computers enough… i don't want to do more wrestling… i don't want to wrestle a computer to make the computer wrestle more computer…

When I was in college more than 15 years ago I also had classmates learning R. If it's still in use now, that's an eternity in computer time so maybe learning it is a better investment than learning some other things?

i will be honest, i just don't enjoy stats! i think it'd probably be good for me, but i took quantum with that intention last year and it was not very pleasant.

I bet the Rays at 25/1 to win the AL East (thanks to FG projections), so I've been a fan all year. I kinda like them at +155 to win the Series, but the Sim says I need 2/1, so I'm reluctantly gonna pass.

You would have lost money if you bet against the Brewers because of our projections.

I've lost money betting against the Brewers the last THREE years!!

Sorry about that!

But had the 2 long shot AL East winners (TOR/TB) because of FG. That makes up for a lot of OV/UND misses.

It looks quite wet in Cleveland. Tarp just got put back on…so that's not good.

Tarps on is just not compatible with baseball in 2026.

I didn't realize the game was going to be delayed when I posted up on the couch, and now I've got a sleeping cat on my lap and my book is in the other room.

I've never looked up Cleveland's weather so much as I have in the last week.

mike trout would be so disappointed in you

I look up weather a lot. Just not Cleveland.

And sunrise and sunset.

I learned R in grad school and it (in addition to my non-coding skills) has kept me in steady work since 2021 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

im in a similar spot, but i did Python instead of R

I live on the other side of Lake Erie and all of our storms come from the general direction of Cleveland

I've been slowly building up the Python skill, mostly for ArcGIS

Oooo…are we turning this into a coding chat? I'm in!

Until we get baseball?

what do you use to code the chats? i assume its mostly javascript?

if it turns into a coding chat, do I need to leave or will I learn something?

neither, we'll probably be incompressible and boring with a dumb joke every now and then

Sean actually has his own bespoke programming language just for fangraphs? /snark

Most disappointing thing is sitting down on the couch with delivered pizza in hand and seeing a tarp on the field.

Hey, at least you have pizza. I have cat.

But think of the people who are seeing a tarp and *don't* have pizza!

Cat? Side note, our 15 year old cat just caught a fly. That was exciting.

the cat i live with is trying to convince us that he has never been fed

what toppings?

The kids are cheese and so am I.

My favorite pizza in town is a Beef Tostada though.

I'm couchlocked by a sleeping tabby (see above)

Our orange tabby just got off the couch to wait for his food in 90 minutes.

Our front end is NextJS. We still have a handful of pages that still use .NET webforms which is old.

So the front end of chat is in Next/React/JS.

I see the chat polls are a lot more realistic now for who's going to win. Game 1 was 91% for the Rays.

Chat backend is .NET, so C#.

R gang member, reporting for duty

Which this is a lot like some corporate stacks and in turn a lot of teams have tech stacks similar to this. Or at least had a few years ago.

Python >>>>> R

brought to you by the Python Gang

i am decent enough at python that i think i can read docs and be vaguely competent

my partner knows ???frontend??? as well as everything else from cs undergrad. but i know not

Been a while since I logged on to a Fangraphs chat and understood nothing of what was being said. But I know what wrc+ stands for! Is that worth nothing???

what's a run? are they like points?

Yes, but also literally a guy running, which is a necessity; see Merkle, Fred.

Part of me wishes we used more python, but in the end it doesn't matter too much. I also don't do as much with our ETL process.

and sean joins the python gang…

We really ought to bring boner back as a term for messing up

but why doesn't the ball go in the goal?

See, now I'm thinking of Andres Cantor calling a home run

Also, don't know what's happening in Cleveland, but I'm a couple hours west and it's barely drizzling if anything.

if i had my hands on the fan graphs code, id definitely convert more to python and add more plotly style interactive visuals

What would the visuals be?

id focus on the interactive parts more – like adding visuals for all the leaders tables and hovertext, filtering, employing splits filtering into visuals too

We need to add custom photoemojis. I surprisingly use an Austin Hedges one a lot in my baseball group chat. And since Hedges was a league average hitter this year (wRC+ 😉), it was used a lot.

It's wired up to use a .png. We have to hard code it in there, but it's ready for it.

I would add a notification system to the comments so that I would know if somebody replied to me. Would be much easier to waste my days yapping about baseball!

We might be able to do that now. Part of me wants to rip out WP's comment system for a modified version of chat.

Email is the easy notification for this. Probably could do app notifications too.

i also wanna know if my jokes in the comments get likes or not

HOOOOOOOONNNNNRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON

also i have several baseball themed emojis that i abuse in my baseball discords, would love them here

The storm is reaching across the lake now, don't know if that means it's moving away from Cleveland or just quite large

It's moving south and east. So I think it's clearing up now.

Does the tabby get food before baseball starts?

Mine was fed before scheduled first pitch.

Ours is 7 AM, noon, 6 PM, and 9 PM

I'm understanding about half the coding words being discussed here? maybe less?

I'm a field biologist by training so if we get beyond the analysis stuff I actually do I'm pretty much with you. The main thing is to get good enough at the basics so you can work through solutions to the thornier problems by leaning on StackOverflow, etc.

another fun thing we can do while we wait is a friend of mine sent this questionnaire supposedly a baseball team used for job screenings

if my link is allowed?

gotcha

Coding, 1908 references, cats trapping people on couches, Cleveland weather. This chat is LIT!!!

Bad weather along the Great Lakes… kinda wish I had an Edmund Fitzgerald Porter now

I remember drinking a lot of Railbender when I was up in Erie.

Hard to come by in Denver

Usually when I am at a chat on Fangraphs about baseball I feel like I have a strong understanding of the subject but my slash line about what is being talked about here is .000/.000/.000.

This is why they don't let me on these often.

two more chat coding feature requests – uploading images and ability to delete your own comment

Don't make the same mistake I did and start giving a cat three meals a day. I could believe that in theory you could break the cat of the habit, but it would inflict so much pain and suffering that it's not worth it. I can barely hold him to just the three

Welp.

We're going to have to do this tomorrow/Sunday.

This was the best non-game game thread we've ever had!

Same time tomorrow for game 4. Then game 5 will be Sunday at 5PM ET.

whens the last time a playoff game got rained out


Members-Only Game Thread: LCS – Oct 15, 2026

Welcome to our Open Game Thread for the LCS games today. Chat with fellow readers as we watch the Rays play the Guardians then later tonight the Brewers play the Dodgers! Only Members can participate, and unlike our usual staff Q&A chats, your messages will be posted immediately.

Our Member community is made up of thousands of incredibly knowledgable baseball fans, and we think this is a great way to follow a game with like-minded baseball enthusiasts. We might even have some FanGraphs Staff drop in and join the fun. Please be courteous to your fellow Members, or you may find your chat privileges revoked.

Rob Manfred just announced that if the Guardians win today, tomorrow's game will be played at 9 a.m. as punishment.

When it rains, it gains.

I'm ok with that. Get it done and out of the way first thing in the morning. Like going to the gym.

Why does MLB hate baseball? Forcing most of the nation to have a tab open at work to track playoff baseball

Why does MLB hate baseball? Forcing most of the nation to stay up way too late to track playoff baseball

it moved due to impending weather

How does hockey and basketball do it? Longer time frames to complete the series?

shorter game times hlep

Was the weather supposed to be bad? My app shows only light rain starting around 10 PM…

they can finish well before 11 EST even with a 830 start

mine too L. Ron, but that is what was stated

Maybe the teams have better weather models than what is available to the public

Re: other game (Brewers) – it's that lovely time of year when the team with the best record in baseball, in the highest-stakes games of their season, can only trust 3 of their starting pitchers

Drohan+May is not embarrassing for your fourth starter. Unfortunately for the Brewers, the Dodgers' fourth starter is Tyler Glasnow

Looks like there are more people at the just-moved up early Cleveland game than the Dodgers game last night.

As far as I can tell, the Brewers have not even announced a starter for tonight, no?

Not as far as I can tell. Here's the exchange from last night's postgame press conference:

Q. Pitching tomorrow?

PAT MURPHY: Yeah, there will be pitching.

Wait this isn't a joke?

Day baseball is the best!

Also, hi

begging baseball broadcasts to show defensive stats when they show the defensive alignments instead of gold gloves

I appreciate Murphy being very literal as a source of snark, which is something I like to do

I still think my Nereus commercial would have been more effectively targeted during the playoffs.

I thought Kwan challenged that pitch

Nope on replay

But he probably should've

He's reacting to all the other early 1st inning challenges.

Perfect throw, great tag

something in me is convinced that if a starter comes out firing, they're bound to give up a homer or a big inning later in the game. so idk how to feel about either of these guys right now

but especially gavin williams, some fallacious, treacherous part of my gut is about 85% sure that yandy is going to go yabo off him in the 4th or something

or he makes me look totally stupid. that works too

I've been on Gavin train for a while now!

A gambling commercial centered around a guy with a $100M+ contract becoming homeless is a choice

The fans and players need to really push back on the gambling ads. I know Alex Call did but for the Sweeney of it

I'm putting some Cy Young money on him next year (since I'm not an AL voter)

I did really well on $200 on Scherzer Cy Young in 2013! Feels like this is gonna be the same type of value bet

I think it is funny. No NY and soon No LA.

don't jinx it, terry lol

I'm down for an all Midwest WS. We'll go all out here for that.

Don't know how many people will care.

i will be razzing the person who once used the handle "hoby milner defender" on the website formerly known as twitter the whole time

Turned on that one nicely

That was a crazy ricochet off the wall

This postseason has featured way more Petey Halpin than I expected

there's always one cleveland outfielder who goes nuclear for a postseason

some of them are out of the league by the next… rip spongebob and big christmas, we will tell our children your stories

I'm sorry, there's no way you can make a scour sponge exciting

chainsaw attachment might help

2 cylinder scrub sponge would revolutionize the kitchen (by giving everyone co poisoning)

I guess there's no rules about awards voters betting on awards?

There are!

If we're going to vote on them

Okay so only the awards you vote on are off limits?

I don't bet on any NL awards to avoid the chances I have to recuse

We also have rules about working for gambling

You're not worried about Williams's postseason dominance inflating his odds for 2027? I'm guessing he's much more on people's radars now than he was a month ago

It's kind of funny that Nereus discloses that it may inhibit your ability to use a vehicle or machinery at the same time their little animated video has a person driving a car in a high speed chase.

Oh, I'll definitely check the odds first, but he's definitely a player I'm watching from a +EV standpoint!

I don't gamble much, just opportunistically

I get no endorphin-related thrill

Gambling is too expensive nowadays. Money is better used elsewhere

That did not look like Gold Glove defense.

Walls *is* a good name for a defensive player

JRam is so fun to watch

he's like a little wrecking ball of baseball prowess

Whenever I hear the name Griffin Jax, I think of Jax from Mortal Kombat and his robot arms and I imagine him with robot arms. Mostly because part of my brain is broken

hah, he would become a must-watch just for the chance someone charges the mound

I'd watch that game/movie.

Mortal Kombat, but baseball.

Kinda like a modern Tungsten Arm O'Doyle

Just once I want them to say marooned a runner or abandoned a runner

Marooned seems good for a Seattle Mariners game

or maybe Taylor Walls immured a runner he tags out stealing

apparently shane drohan is starting game 4

I think starting a lefty is smart for Milwaukee. Roberts seems to bench Muncy vs lefties which I believe is detrimental to their offense

The Dodgers just went 0-27 against lefties. Drohan is the correct choice.

ZiPS has been meh on starter Drohan, so the probs are basically unchanged

They're probably not quite THAT bad

Though I do personally like the idea

with the way the Dodgers are hitting right now, Smoltz and Wainwright could come out of the booth and shut them out

as long as Wainwright doesn't catch the last batter looking with that curve…. =\

I am completely bent out of shape at the changing of the starting time. My day was carefully planned and 2:00 was mowing the lawn which I cannot fail to do since it is going to rain tomorrow then drop into the 40's which is too cold for these old bones. CYA tonight.

We'll be here!

i feel like there was an article recently about how win streaks increase the chance of winning the next game, and same with losing streaks increasing the chance of losing the next game. feels like the dodgers are in the midst of that, but with hitting lefties

Ohtani turning into a slap hitting DH hasn't helped

The Rays didn't even strike out seven times in a full game 73 times this year

How are we rating Mesa in drafts going into next year?

Extra bases for Simpson!

props to millvillemeltdown for calling this 45 minutes ago

you know what's funny, i was going to call simpson going yard but i thought it was too unrealistic. triples is fun though

Nice bit of hitting there

The 6th sweeper of the at-bat caught too much of the plate there

I think it'd be fun if we had a lottery before each season to let exactly one guy use steroids. Imagine Chandler Simpson on the early 2000's Bonds stack, he's giving you 5-7 homers no problem

Tyler Rogers would be a fun one too

jo is the king of hitting it hard into outs

Hi everyone, the Rays and Guardians are playing a game like the Rays and Guardians

Dear MLB advertising sales team – I live in Chicago. Why are you so determined to try to make me hate Sherrod Brown?

I thought I was just seeing so many being in Ohio…

No, I'm seeing them too in Massachusetts, but obviously because an Ohio team is playing

The worst part of the playoffs has been the national political ad buys

Anybody happen to know the record for most times struck out by a winning team?

JRam probably has the highest approval rating of any player in the league but his official MLB pic this year is surely unsettling

I knew Gavin Williams was good this year. I didn’t realize just how good he was by xFIP, SIERA, or K to BB though.

In the postseason, the most strikeouts for a winning team was 23 by the Orioles iN ALDS Game 4 in 1996. But that was a 12 inning game

In a regulation game, the record for a winning team in the postseason was Rangers (ALDS Game 1, 2023) and Yankees (ALDS Game 5, 2017), with both team striking out 16 times

16 is a lot. I guess I don't see the Rays striking out 17 times this game if it's only 9 innings.

they're only 1 K off the pace…

In the regular season, there are five teams that struck out 19 times and won

Including the Steve Carlton complete game loss in 1969 when he struck out 19 Mets but lost 4-3

I'm sorry Crest, there's only one Dr. Teeth and he woudln't have been the same without the Electric Mayhem

Should Jax have let Walls get that? Would Walls have had a chance?

I'd be in favor of a line on the pitching side of which only the pitcher can enter on defense

Or maybe, I'd have to give it more consideration than 15 seconds

BANGGG

Petey Halpin really

Petey

Petey Halpin

Just as everyone expected: Petey Halpin post season heroics

PETEY POWER

I was surprised Jax was still in

How does this guy keep coming through?

really wish I wasn't at work rn, this box score alone is exciting

and this is why i love working remotely (baseball playoffs)

He should just announce "for now on, I'm Pete."

Sure Peteyed that one.

Petey Halpin has to have the highest ratio of go-ahead HR per HR in baseball

2 guys in there for defense making a rally

Who TF is Petey Halpin

Took the words right out of my mouth

Just remembered this chat was going on, hi all!

Now that's a bat flip

So yeah, Griffin's allows some jax

kevin cash watching too much dave roberts

I know his given first name is Peter but Petey Lyndon Halpin is one of the finest full names in the league

A name that would fit seamlessly on the 1902 Brooklyn Superbas roster.

He needs an adjective prefix. Like "Slidin' Petey Halpin"

some mf named petey

The full name has a better ring to it. Petey Lyndon Halpin rolls off the etongue really nicely IMO

That is a dead-ball era ass name

Exactly what I said in the Game 1 chat lol. It's just perfect.

Petey Halpin fits neatly into my mind's imagination of Brett Phillips

I would love it if announcers did middle names on emphatic home run calls

Are they telling them to go their room?

damn what a throw

By What Means Peter Halpin Acquired the Style and Title of Petey Lyndon

When was the last time a guy got caught stealing without doing the “Challenge it! Challenge it!” bit to his dugout?

I like the name Superbas

before challenges became a thing?

Pummelin' Petey Halpin?

Why were they singing Country Roads

It's DeLauter's walk-up song with lyrics tailored to him

DeLauter is from West Virginia.

I cannot learn which toolsy and generally injured outfielder is named Jonny DeLuca and which is named Chase DeLauter. I know the Cleveland one is the better one, but man their names are interchangeable to me

because chase delauter matches the meter of west virginia

Lifting Gavin here?

Lifting Gavin…jam band or Christian rock?

sappy rock like the Fray

It's always disappointing when a random bench postseason hero is from California. I usually hope they're from Bumblesville, Nebraska

We put it on driving through WV once which a mistake, cause my daughter made us listen to it 1000 times. It's good, but nothing is good 1000 times in a row

Apparently that song isn't actually about West Virginia, but actually the western part of Virginia

When I lived in Maryland I met a few people who insisted it was about Maryland. "The country roads in West Virginia are taking him home to Maryland!!"

madison bumgarner is from bumtown, north carolina

Between Packy Naughton, Petey Halpin, Liam Doyle, Mike McGreevy, Jack Flaherty, Kevin McGonigle, Jimmy Crooks, you got a pretty good Boardwalk Empire baseball crew

Crooks might be a bit on the nose

Yeah I'm surprised Williams is out of the game

Though NOTHING beats early baseball where everyone sounded like an Irish gangster

The best way to drive to Maryland from the midwest DOES go through west virginia extensively

Noted Irishman Honus Wagner ran the numbers racket on the side.

I-79 to I-68 > I-70

If Jimmy Crooks too on the nose you can put in Buddy Kennedy

or Mick Abel

Espino really went from chronically injured post-prospect to part of the leverage bullpen quickly

I love Junior but the zero homers in the playoffs has been a bummer so far

Sure sure, fantastic Irish mobster names abound in early baseball, but let's not forget about the man who remains the greatest German pitcher ever, Pretzels Getzien, who started 6 games of the best-of-15 1887 World Series for the Detroit Wolverines

That was some fairly impressive Espinoing

When you tell stories about Brickyard Kennedy or Silver King or The Only Nolan, people think you're making crap up

Does Old Hoss Radbourn imply the existence of New Hoss Radbourn?

Probably just Hoss Radbourn

The 'Kid' nicknames really fit for that era. Like Kid Gleason or Kid Carsey. Carsey also threw 415 innings in his age 18 rookie season for the Washington Statesmen which is very of its time.

Or that you could go by the name Rube and be taken seriously

It was a place holder just in case there was a new Hoss someday

Glenn Hubbard is the player from Germany with the most games played BTW

Max Kepler could theoretically pass him soon

and had the most baseball cards featuring a giant snake

Williams fastball velocity dropped to "only" 95mph in the 5th inning. Not surprised they pulled him based on that, plus it was the third time through the order.

The most recent game that had an Irish-born player was 1945 (Joe Cleary). And before him, it had been since 1918 (Jimmy Archer)

I imagine he probably will

"High Pockets" Kelly

He was pretty bad this year, but he's probably still going to get MLB time for a bit longer

Bazzana definitely sounds like something an Australian would say with several exclamation points

I could imagine Steve Irwin wrestling him to the ground and talking about how he could bite through an entire pack of big league chew with ease

Rough day for the ump.

bazzzzzaaaaannnnna

how many big league pitchers are now shorter than high pockets kelly? (6'4") is it 25%? more? less?

You know, Reggie's destroying his chances at getting easy service calls. Now he's not going to get a quick hour for a clogged dishwasher filter

I used to call Tim Collins Low Pockets

IM HERE IN JUNGAMUNGAWOOTSY AND CRIKEY, I SEE THE RECLUSIVE BAZZANA

The classic photo of Tim Collins and Everett Teaford inside Jonathan Broxton's pants. https://sports.cbsimg.net/images/mlb/photogallery/031512-tea…

the bazzana is faster than a speeding wombat, more powerful than a salty

popup petey

Rays went down QUICKLY last two innings

"The Bazzana" definitely sounds like how a bunch of Aussie dudes would describe attempting to drink 3 pints in 2 minutes or something

I've actually bugged MLB people to track bat flips

Apparently the ump can't handle the shadows. Just some terrible calls today. Can't imagine not having ABS already.

Did they run out of paid commercials? Just getting Commercial Break in Progress quiet

Apparently they think it only takes 7 innings for everyone watching to have already voted, taken their motion sickness pills, and traded (not gambled) on their favorite prediction market.

haha, I just saw the "Bio" at the bottom of the chat page "I build things here"

Sean has a very Spartan bio

If we ever get FanGraphs Lego, then we can all build things here

Shouldn't they pinch hit for Walls?

Honestly, if her oil pressure was low, she could either top off the oil if there was an action scene or something else was going on

I'll pitch the idea of FG Legos.

https://buildamoc.com/pages/business-project/microsoft-power…

This but with FG DataGrids and an FG Mug.

We should get products to partner with us before preseasons

FANGRAPH NEREUS DRUGS

I can confirm many of us on the engineering have many Lego sets.

And I've used Legos as a metaphor of cloud infrastructure.

This at bat is Bauers-esque

Despite a terrible strike call on pitch #1 too.

We need a good name for that kind of AB, like a Maddux or equivalent.

If only Yandy would challenge

There are too many teeth related commercials. While I brush my teeth they make me want to not brush my teeth out of spite

Love the little head shake by Hicks after that ABS overturn

He keeps having to challenge "balls" where the entire baseball is inside the strikezone.

I like ABS challenges better than abs challenges because I always lose the latter

When you're not there in person, it sounds like they're singing "Take me home, Jerry Lawler"

No, he plays for the Diamondbacks.

I really like that walk up song getting the crowd involved.

Please change fWAR to use DRS for defensive WAR instead of OAA. Taylor Walls just showed us yet again why OAA is completely worthless.

If tomorrow gets rained out, what's the plan? Doubleheader Saturday? Move everything back a day? Use the travel day for game 5?

Is Steven Matz proof you can just stay around as a lefty with a good changeup?

I'm pretty sure they'll just shift everything around. I can't see anyone wanting a double header unless they have to. Or deal with a suspended game.

Not necessarily proof, but gotta have a righty plan with LOOGYs dead

And now we wait……

I'm going to make dinner in between. And ship some free agent crowd source code. We'll be back before 8PM. But I'll leave this open.

w

not a fan; except maybe one using pre-agreed fans/actors as a bit

What'd everyone have for lunch? Mine was a meal-replacement shake, coffee, and a dried fruit bar.

Roasted butternut squash, spinach, tomato, apple vinaigrette, parmesan, pecans. Also doing a variation of that plus chicken / nutmeg caramelized onions for dinner.

very seasonal, nice

What's your replacement-level meal that your Quad-A shake is substituting for?

Is it just me or does A Rod look particularly orange this postseason?

Let's score some (a lot of) runs!

Glasnow warming up to Dazed and Confused rocks

Does he actually? Just tuned in and didn’t catch that. That rocks so hard. The “Song Remains the Same” live version of Dazed is still my favorite live performance of all time

It was definitely playing right before the start of the game. Not your typical game start music so it really stuck out

Just YouTubed it and it is indeed his song. That rips so hard

Man you really don't want to miss the first pitch to Chourio this series

That was crazy

How was your autumnal dinner, Sean?

Fantastic! Fall in a bowl!

I've been playing around with savory fall dishes this October.

Dodgers aren't losing!

I hope to some day love something as much as William Contreras loves early challenges

great ABS challenge. I've noticed that neither team has finished a game burning all their challenges. Are they too cautious?

ugly strikeout redeemed by a flurry of amazing hair

Ohtani is lost.

I understand he is Shohei Ohtani but at some point you gotta admit he just doesn't have it right now. Or you can put him leadoff for some reason. Idk I don't get paid millions of dollars to run a baseball team.

they're batting him first?

except that no one else is clearly meant to be on top of the order right now.

Not like anyone else is proving their worth in the box

The EV on the single yesterday from Ohtani was pretty impressive. Roberts might think it's the start of a turnaround. When you have to win 4 straight, I don't hate batting the generational superstar leadoff

^!!! If your superstar says "I got this," at some point you have to trust hiim

am i reading correctly that Ohtani has the 2nd highest wRC+ on LAD in the NLCS?

I am also surprised he has a .417 OBP. Just goes to show how good bad Ohtani is

That is correct. He's got some BBs and a HBP that help.

His wRC+ is 63 if you look at the whole postseason.

…*puts head in hands*

No Will Smith magic this time.

yeah, the cut off is hard. because the NLDS and NLCS performances are almost inverted across the entire lineup. Hard to tell what to look at (from my browser window)

I'm guessing the bats will come alive tonight.

See, back-to-back hits.

is max muncy pitch hitting? can there be a hitter/fielder version of an "opener"

Clint Hurdle did this with Pedro Alvarez in 2015. He didn't start, but pinch hit when his lineup spot came up.

How aggressively do you expect Murphy to manage his bullpen? Go all out to try to end it here or figure you've got three more shots at this thing so don't overdo it?

I expect him to go for the jugular

May will go 3+. If the game is still close, will play for the win

There he is

THERE IT IS

Ohtani's back!

Sean, you get the Ted (Double Duty) Radcliffe Award for the day.

was about to emoji reply to sean but my hands left my keys

I was really hoping Ohtani would be very bad so I could redraft him for cheap next year in fantasy…

May trade was so anti-Brewer and he has been a net negative add

Any Red Sox fan could have told them that he wasn't a positive addition to the Brewers.

If they had given up some mid-level prospects for him, whatever.

And there it is…

There's something about Brewers Dodgers NLCS game 4 that brings out Ohtani's best I guess

they're gonna announce that Ohtani is pitching tomorrow

That HR bat flip was pure catharsis.

Hello everyone

Did you make anything good since the last time we saw you?

For dinner?

Sadly no, I am having leftover pizza from my freezer that FanGraphs paid for (and by extension, our lovely Members paid for) during SaberSeminar though!

Popping in to say I found the brief split screen of Ohtani going through the dugout to be a little much

Well now seems like a good time to hop in here

Oh, now yinz show up!

113.1 mph, 428 feet

Emotionally, that felt like 700 feet lol

From Baumann: "I missed the bulk of the celebration because I was watching the ball" — That's how far it went

Dustin got angry there wasn't any gatorade left in that cooler

angry pat murphy time

Evergreen

Dodgers better hope that that wasn't a one off. Jays fans spent the summer thinking Vladdy was back every time he had a good AB or two, but he never got it together.

Wow Ohtani is back just like I knew he would be. Batting him leadoff was a genius move that I also would have done.

love that strike out. interrupted smoltz from talking for one thankfully quiet moment

Do people still get mad about bunting during a no hitter or have we moved past that?

do any paying members of FG care about bunting during a no-hitter? how weird are we?

I'm sure most players and people over 40 do.

I am well over 40 and don't care.

The Dustin May esophagus injury story never ceases to unsettle me

Like when it comes up, not all the time thankfully

indeed. life is freaky

Moral of the story: Never eat salad.

Oof, I just ate a salad and then read about that.

"I like when a tall pitcher pitches tall." The Smoltz Word Salad

The perceived velocity point was valid but yeah that's bad phrasing

I like when a Smoltzy announcer announces Smoltzy.

Back to back ground rule doubles

Unreal

Rake Bauers

You hang 'em, we bang 'em.

is he only good at full counts?

a billion dollars of pitchers can't get out noted health insurance needer jake bauers

cannot emphasize enough how much awful these in game interviews are

The Pat Murphy one where he finished by swearing at Jackson Merrill was incredible

the toy story shoes. wow. is he on the disney dole?

I really like David Hamilton. Fast guys with smarts are one of my favorite ballplayer types.

Hamilton was born 20 years too late

Vogelbach sighting. Loved that dude on the Buccos

what is this ???

Bauers coming up with the bases loaded…

he can't possibly get a clutch hit every night

Not if you walk him

Guy_tapping_his_head.gif

Pitching around Bauers with the bases loaded is an unusual strategy.

Man. The Dodgers are. . . not having a great week.

The half-intentional walk of Turang not looking great

I'll be really bummed if these LCSes are short series.

A full week between games would be sad

yeah i hope the NLCS goes 7🤣

Rust vs rust in the WS. 🤮

at least we won't be seeing the top of the Brewers line up for at least the first 10 minutes of their next half inning at the plate

If the Dodgers lose tonight, they won't have to face them again for months!

I hope this game goes to extras. I cherish every playoff extra inning ever since they ruined extras in the regular season. We haven't had many extra inning games this year yet

Games 4 &5 of the 2004 ALCS will forever be the most exciting and , life threatening to me, I ever watched.

I'm still very ok with the ghost runner. Those 18-inning regular season games were killers.

Game 3 of the 2018 WS is another unforgettable experience. They are rare so they are great in the post-season.

Game 3 last year was also incredibly fun

Game 3 in 2018 ended at 3:36 here in New England.

WOW

Is Garrett Mitchell even a homerun guy?

When he gets a hold of one they go far.

He hit 11 in 531 PA this year, so not really

Was he 18th in exit velocity this season ? The power is there

Good call – just hasn't consistently happened yet

These Brewers may be inevitable

Full Count Killers

Rang him up on strike 2.

Veteran pitcher.

I wonder if everybody is getting the TV feed at the same moment in time.

Got back from walking the dog! What'd I mi–wtf

bad bad not good

I believe Sæder is referring to the game. Your dog is presumed to be a very good boy or girl.

Rich Hill walking his dog; the rest of the Dodgers walking the Brewers

low key take away from this NLCS is that Kyle Tucker has been one of the only bright spots on this squad on offense.

I'm happy for him. This can't have been a fun year for him. Not that I'm getting out the smallest of violins for the very rich man who was sad sometimes, but still

Amazing to see Jo Jo still out there. In 55 appearances this year he went 2 exactly once.

He was well rested didn’t pitch since Monday and prior to that Oct 6th.

I would consider paying for a feed without the in-game interviews.

boog has been fantastic on the national radio call

Charlie Manuel, who refused to do them when they were first becoming a thing, had the right idea.

Bring back the Petriellocast!

Diaz wearing 3 for the Dodgers feels odd

Last I checked, 3 isn't even, so you're right

This is a big moment

And are any of us surprised?

I understood the Dodgers might lose but I never thought they could look so juiceless

kudos to MIL

truly, how hard have they been squoze, to have no juice

If the Dodgers do lose this, it'll be interesting to see the narrative around them heading into the offseason. It feels a little 2010 Phillies, but there's still a ton of talent and resources here.

might depend on how many players end up getting major surgery that they've not yet announced to the public

Also on some interesting decisions they need to make. I'll be fascinated to see what they do and say about JDP and other young players–are they prepared to get younger, even if it means moving on from some veterans or rethinking some positioning? Obviously that starts with Ohtani, which is tough.

would a busted ohtani be a better outfielder than jdp

im still slightly riding the high of calling "two good pitchers, cruising early, give up a crooked number in the middle innings" but had a truly awful nap and am debating calling it a day without having done anything productive today. anyway, how's the baseball been

18 inning game, here we come!

Whoa – potentially huge error there.

Why do they keep telling us the results of the ABS challenge before showing the graphic. So annoying.

Must be a mandate from FOX, as Davis didn't do this on SNLA broadcasts

Kyle Tucker, the rich man's Jake Bauer

Wow. Maybe the Brewers are truly blessed by the beer gods

dionysus more powerful than the abrahamic G-d?

Nice job by Mitchell there to call everyone else off. No chance to tag up

I was dreading a collision there.

Should they have run for Smith?

Arguably yes, though wouldn't have mattered on a ball that shallow

never thought i would be talking about running with known speed demon rich hill and his blazing mid-80s fastball

Excuse you, it was high 80s!

my deepest apologies for shorting you of a few crucial mph

The Dodgers' performance with RISP is just not survivable.

100 mph sinkers with that curve… I know it's been said, but how does anyone ever get a hit anymore? Like genuinely, do the biophysics add up?

the human nervous system is pretty nuts

Well, if there’s anyone on Earth who knows about being down a run in the ninth, down 3-0 in a 7 game series, staring elimination in the face, he’s managing the team that is…

See, you'd think Roberts would be very eager to deploy pinch-runners!

You definitely see things that you never see during the regular season, such as Edwin Diaz going 3.

Huge kudos to Edwin here, wow

Why did I talk

Hamilton! Wow.

david !???!?

Now the Brewers are ruining baseball

David Hamilton of all people

That is amazingly the first time this postseason I've said "I cannot believe that just happened"

I have a feeling this is it for the series

I was misled about the Brewers HR prowess

There's a soul jar somewhere in Wisconsin fueling all this

Brewers just making up new guys to hit homers now

Blew their last ABS challenge on a 0-0 count? Ok

Can't take 'em home with you.

You can take them to the bottom of the 9th in an elimination game when you need 2 runs, though

Did this graphic forget about Cleveland?

They appeared in the 2016 World Series

Oh, appearance, missed that thanks!

Rajai Davis had the biggest, most inconsequential World Series GM7 home run that year until… Bichette last year.

if this is it, talk about poetic justice

swept one way, swept the other

Hamilton had an ISO of .091 this year.

i'm waiting on the statcast bat speed on savant

He is tied with Ohtani for homers this post season

76.8 on the swing, exited at 105. solid

whoa chourio and bauers kind of mogging ohtani in swing speed

I see, the Dodgers are just setting it up to do something legendary

Is Muncy really this bad against lefties that he needs to be pulled here? I'd think he's one of the Dodgers better hitters

at least a pesky at bat…

muncy had looked completely lost today

edman's also good from the right side

Edman's one of those guys that make me annoyed that he's on the Dodgers, since he'd be a very helpful full-time player on lots of other teams.

Sean weren't you going to do a series on the best "picks" so far? That was incredible by Pratt!

Pat Murphy is an actual madman

As the great sage, Lawrence Peter Berra was credited with saying, "It is getting late early" for the Dodgers.

Ballgame. And season.

ICk

Been a pleasure, everyone

well. Milwaukee has been good for years and years.

Wow. That was just an unbelievable four-game performance, particularly the bullpen.

I have a hard time imagining the AL teams beating the Brewers

I did not think he was catching that ball

Ashby my god

i like MIL. But I actually quite like the rays and guards too. I'd think I'd root for the AL in this case

Going to be a great WS

Rob Manfred is in shambles

Good.

But doesn’t he want parity?????????

So are we!

Those small market teams just can’t compete without a salary cap.

MLBPA should demand an end to CBT. It’s only fair!

Blue Blood and rain,

I can hear the bugle playin

Go Guards! All Midwest series, let's go! It's going to be so frickin' cold.

Perfect for the offseason negotiations

If the Rays win we'll have a guaranteed new champion

even a guards ws is not a bad outcome given the drought, imo

And yet the Guardians have waited the longest!

yes i am biased because jose ramirez deserves a ring, but no matter the outcome i'm chillin

It is if you're a Tigers fan who hates the Guards

… ah, my condolences comrade

Here's hoping

in the midst of this Man City scandal, how can anyone take owners' claims seriously

pls give us more money plsplsplsplsplsplspls we're soooo hungry – owners

reminds me of my stupid hyperthyroid cat

Brewers going to the Series, and I'm going to bed. Merry Baseball, everyone!

gutenacht nick!

Rays have never won it. And yet have been an exceptional franchise for so many years. So many good story lines all around.

Alright everyone. One half of the WS is set. We'll be back for the next ALCS game.