2022 ZiPS Projections: Pittsburgh Pirates
After having typically appeared in the hallowed pages of Baseball Think Factory, Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections have now been released at FanGraphs for a decade. The exercise continues this offseason. Below are the projections for the Pittsburgh Pirates.
Batters
The offensive projections are kind of bleak, but they also represent the 2022 highlight for the Pirates, at least if ZiPS is correct. The offense basically consists of three highly interesting (in a good way) players.
When all is said and done, Oneil Cruz may end up having the best career of the three. The team’s sixth-ranked prospect entering 2021, Cruz destroyed minor league pitching on his return to Double-A. In a week for Triple-A Indianapolis, Cruz went 11-for-21 with five homers in six games, resulting in him getting a call-up for the final weekend of the season. Cruz is a physical anomaly, a 6-foot-7 player who can credibly play shortstop and run the bases very well. While there will naturally always be whispers about a shortstop that big staying at the position — and Cruz has gained about 30 pounds since his early prospect days — the Pirates aren’t in a position that should preclude them from letting him play there as long as he can. It’s what the O’s should have done with Manny Machado years ago, but they instead prioritized J.J. Hardy. The projection is even more exciting when you realize how few games ZiPS is projecting for Cruz due to various injuries and the missing COVID season.
I hope that Ke’Bryan Hayes isn’t doomed to always have his production compared to the impressive offensive numbers he put up in his debut in 2020. Coming off a .751 OPS Triple-A stint in 2019, he was never really supposed to be that type of player. Instead, the expectation for Hayes should have been that of a roughly average offensive third baseman with solid power upside and a fantastic glove. Still, 2021’s offense was likely on the low end of what we’ll see from Hayes offensively, as he was dealing with wrist issues all year. A computer system is going to have a lot of trouble with a guy playing through an injury — as will anyone making an evaluation of a player in that situation — and I would definitely take the over on this projection.
And then there’s Bryan Reynolds, whose projection will likely inspire readers to take to Twitter to tell me that regression toward the mean doesn’t count this time. Breakout seasons are a frequent source of this, generally because people wildly overestimate how often breakout seasons actually establish a new baseline of performance. There’s a reason why “just use last year” performs so poorly as a projection system. But let’s do a little better and illustrate this phenomenon.
To get a quick sense, I looked at every hitter who had a season of at least five WAR, but fewer than seven WAR, at ages 25-27. I further limited it to players for whom this was at least a two-win improvement on their last career-best single-season WAR to that point. In other words, I captured players with breakouts of similar size and quality at similar ages to Reynolds (Age 26, 5.5 WAR, previous best 3.2). I also eliminated the players who didn’t play the following season (all six of these players served in World War II). That leaves us with 146 players.
The average WAR for those 146 players in their breakout year was 5.8. The average in the following season? 3.5, with a median of 3.4:
- 15 of the 146 players (10.2%) matched the WAR from their breakout year.
- 33 of the 146 players (22.6%) managed at least five wins the following season.
- 61 of the 146 players (41.8%) fell short of three wins the following season.
- In the following season, 20.5% fell short of two wins, 6% were short of one win, and one unfortunate was below replacement level.
The player who was below replacement level was Cito Gaston, who hit .318/.364/.543 for the 1970 Padres. In his remaining eight seasons in the majors, he hit .245/.286/.375 with -3.4 WAR, though he had better fortune as a manager. If I limited the scope of the career-bests to only include players with two-to-three win breakouts (Reynolds’ was 2.3), none of the basic stats changed. In that case, the average WAR the following season was 3.4; nothing else changed meaningfully.
Does this mean that Reynolds won’t match his 2021 season? Of course not. Some of those 146 players did. By and large, they had good, long careers; the players in this group finished with an average of 31.7 WAR (ZiPS projects Reynolds to finish with 30.9). Fourteen of those players ended up in the Hall of Fame, including Honus Wagner, Edgar Martinez, Willie McCovey, Andre Dawson, and Billy Williams, and others might some day (Joey Votto, Kenny Lofton, Jim Edmonds, Ken Boyer). If Reynolds can establish his 2021 as a new baseline, he may join them. But that’s not the way to bet in 2022.
Just to finish this section, while there’s no doubt a lot of consternation about the Pirates trading Jacob Stallings, he’s also a catcher who turns 32 next week. And the team didn’t replace him with a butcher behind the plate; Roberto Pérez has a long history of being a solid defensive backstop. In this case, it’s just a smart baseball move; having both Pérez and Zach Thompson is more valuable than just having Stallings. Stallings is entering his first year of arbitration — at least under the old CBA — and at $5 million for Pérez, the swap might actually end up being more expensive for the Pirates, not less.
Pitchers
My plan was to write so many words about the offense that my editor might not notice that I didn’t write anything about the pitching. But editors are tricksy, so I’m going to have to do it.
ZiPS does not care for the pitchers currently employed by the Pittsburgh Pirates. With the Baltimore Orioles, ZiPS at least liked John Means, saw some great, quick upside in Grayson Rodriguez, and gave the bullpen passable marks. So think of this pitching staff as The Orioles Without the Good Parts, which sounds like the catchphrase for the least successful advertising campaign in the history of commerce.
At $2 million, José Quintana has the benefit of at least being interesting. While he underperformed what the Cubs were expecting when they sent Eloy Jiménez to the White Sox, he was rarely awful and generally durable until he lacerated his thumb washing dishes and eventually required surgery. (This is why I own a dishwasher!) Quintana’s contract is basically beans in baseball terms, and if he bounces back, the Pirates could get a pretty good return in trade come July. Plus, the team has to actually play the season, and to do so, the Pirates have to figure out how to get something like 4,000 batters out, a task they’re poorly equipped to handle.
All joking aside, while none of the Pirates’ starting pitchers are even-money to be two-win contributors in 2022, at least some will get there, and the organization is quite deep in those one-to-two win pitchers. The book’s still not closed on Mitch Keller, and Zach Thompson was quietly effective in Miami and could crafty-righty his way into being a mid-rotation fixture. Roansy Contreras shot up the prospect rankings in 2021, figuring out how to punch out batters at a rate he hadn’t been able to pre-COVID, all without adding walks into the mix. Contreras projects with an ERA+ over 100, the only projected full-time starter to do so.
As for the bullpen, ZiPS does really like David Bednar, a hard thrower with a splitter towards the fastball side of the spectrum, who appeared to have a breakout in 2021.
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Will the Pirates ever field a consistently competitive team? Perhaps, but it’s unlikely that it will happen in 2022. The bigger picture is murky, however; the team’s last period of playoff relevance fell short in large part because ownership wasn’t willing to invest significantly in the team during the years when that investment mattered. As long as the team refuses to use savings from down cycles to fund bursts in the up cycles, the Pirates will be doomed to brief spurts of high-quality play.

| Player | B | Age | PO | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | CS |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Bryan Reynolds | B | 27 | CF | 636 | 558 | 89 | 156 | 32 | 7 | 22 | 82 | 68 | 132 | 5 | 3 |
| Ke’Bryan Hayes | R | 25 | 3B | 471 | 425 | 56 | 108 | 26 | 3 | 10 | 46 | 39 | 102 | 9 | 1 |
| Oneil Cruz | L | 23 | SS | 361 | 334 | 41 | 90 | 16 | 5 | 17 | 49 | 24 | 85 | 15 | 3 |
| Greg Allen | B | 29 | LF | 437 | 389 | 56 | 99 | 20 | 4 | 6 | 36 | 26 | 89 | 19 | 5 |
| Hoy Park | L | 26 | 2B | 442 | 378 | 59 | 91 | 18 | 4 | 9 | 39 | 53 | 97 | 11 | 5 |
| Matt Fraizer | L | 24 | CF | 500 | 456 | 62 | 114 | 24 | 4 | 12 | 48 | 37 | 114 | 9 | 4 |
| Travis Swaggerty | L | 24 | CF | 469 | 421 | 51 | 102 | 13 | 2 | 10 | 34 | 42 | 124 | 17 | 6 |
| Jamie Ritchie | R | 29 | C | 334 | 293 | 39 | 74 | 16 | 1 | 4 | 26 | 33 | 63 | 1 | 1 |
| Roberto Pérez | R | 33 | C | 303 | 264 | 26 | 52 | 7 | 1 | 9 | 31 | 31 | 92 | 1 | 0 |
| Kevin Newman | R | 28 | SS | 566 | 526 | 57 | 139 | 25 | 4 | 7 | 47 | 30 | 53 | 9 | 4 |
| Jared Triolo | R | 24 | 3B | 464 | 429 | 69 | 111 | 27 | 2 | 5 | 49 | 28 | 96 | 13 | 3 |
| Cole Tucker | B | 25 | SS | 462 | 411 | 52 | 92 | 19 | 5 | 8 | 38 | 44 | 109 | 10 | 4 |
| Michael Chavis | R | 26 | 2B | 397 | 366 | 47 | 89 | 16 | 2 | 17 | 51 | 21 | 118 | 3 | 2 |
| Rodolfo Castro | B | 23 | 3B | 478 | 442 | 52 | 98 | 21 | 2 | 18 | 57 | 25 | 124 | 6 | 4 |
| Nick Gonzales | R | 23 | 2B | 398 | 367 | 49 | 83 | 21 | 2 | 9 | 39 | 26 | 104 | 5 | 1 |
| Diego Castillo | R | 24 | 2B | 466 | 426 | 49 | 106 | 23 | 1 | 10 | 38 | 32 | 63 | 7 | 3 |
| Hunter Owen | R | 28 | 3B | 386 | 351 | 41 | 74 | 13 | 1 | 16 | 46 | 21 | 135 | 2 | 2 |
| Canaan Smith-Njigba | L | 23 | LF | 384 | 339 | 52 | 78 | 15 | 1 | 9 | 38 | 42 | 102 | 10 | 2 |
| Liover Peguero | R | 21 | SS | 444 | 415 | 49 | 96 | 18 | 2 | 8 | 35 | 23 | 115 | 19 | 4 |
| Ben Gamel | L | 30 | LF | 388 | 335 | 44 | 84 | 20 | 3 | 7 | 27 | 46 | 97 | 4 | 5 |
| Tucupita Marcano | L | 22 | 2B | 497 | 447 | 63 | 106 | 14 | 3 | 6 | 36 | 44 | 75 | 11 | 7 |
| Bligh Madris | L | 24 | C | 305 | 277 | 36 | 69 | 12 | 2 | 6 | 27 | 24 | 91 | 4 | 2 |
| Jack Suwinski | L | 23 | RF | 470 | 411 | 55 | 92 | 18 | 3 | 17 | 49 | 49 | 134 | 7 | 4 |
| Ji-hwan Bae | L | 22 | 2B | 411 | 373 | 44 | 90 | 15 | 4 | 7 | 30 | 31 | 95 | 16 | 7 |
| Michael Perez | L | 29 | C | 249 | 225 | 24 | 46 | 10 | 1 | 7 | 27 | 21 | 67 | 0 | 1 |
| Will Craig | R | 27 | 1B | 420 | 378 | 47 | 85 | 18 | 1 | 15 | 50 | 31 | 114 | 1 | 2 |
| Yoshi Tsutsugo | L | 30 | 1B | 439 | 377 | 49 | 85 | 19 | 1 | 15 | 50 | 52 | 104 | 0 | 1 |
| Mason Martin | L | 23 | 1B | 514 | 462 | 59 | 96 | 25 | 2 | 23 | 73 | 35 | 181 | 1 | 2 |
| Gregory Polanco | L | 30 | RF | 430 | 380 | 48 | 86 | 20 | 2 | 16 | 48 | 41 | 112 | 13 | 1 |
| Chris Sharpe | R | 26 | CF | 421 | 373 | 45 | 74 | 22 | 1 | 8 | 35 | 35 | 133 | 7 | 5 |
| Eli Wilson | R | 23 | C | 242 | 216 | 38 | 49 | 11 | 1 | 4 | 24 | 20 | 62 | 0 | 0 |
| Colin Moran | L | 29 | 1B | 425 | 382 | 40 | 98 | 19 | 1 | 13 | 60 | 36 | 98 | 1 | 1 |
| Connor Kaiser | R | 25 | SS | 266 | 235 | 25 | 42 | 8 | 0 | 5 | 19 | 26 | 76 | 2 | 1 |
| Anthony Alford | R | 27 | LF | 383 | 344 | 46 | 79 | 18 | 2 | 10 | 43 | 33 | 134 | 14 | 8 |
| Phillip Evans | R | 29 | 1B | 431 | 381 | 47 | 89 | 18 | 1 | 8 | 36 | 41 | 80 | 2 | 2 |
| Wilmer Difo | B | 30 | 2B | 350 | 317 | 37 | 76 | 11 | 3 | 4 | 26 | 29 | 74 | 4 | 2 |
| Jared Oliva | R | 26 | CF | 397 | 361 | 43 | 78 | 17 | 4 | 4 | 29 | 27 | 105 | 17 | 5 |
| Blake Sabol | L | 24 | C | 304 | 275 | 35 | 61 | 11 | 2 | 6 | 26 | 25 | 92 | 4 | 2 |
| Lolo Sanchez | R | 23 | LF | 465 | 415 | 66 | 103 | 17 | 2 | 8 | 42 | 34 | 79 | 20 | 8 |
| Taylor Davis | R | 32 | C | 231 | 206 | 26 | 48 | 6 | 0 | 3 | 17 | 21 | 33 | 0 | 0 |
| Andrew Susac | R | 32 | C | 85 | 74 | 8 | 14 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 7 | 10 | 25 | 1 | 1 |
| Dylan Busby | R | 26 | 3B | 372 | 333 | 36 | 57 | 11 | 2 | 13 | 38 | 32 | 165 | 1 | 1 |
| Joe Hudson | R | 31 | C | 188 | 170 | 18 | 31 | 6 | 0 | 4 | 15 | 14 | 55 | 0 | 0 |
| Dee Strange-Gordon | L | 34 | SS | 346 | 326 | 33 | 84 | 12 | 4 | 3 | 23 | 12 | 47 | 11 | 5 |
| Todd Frazier | R | 36 | 1B | 432 | 385 | 47 | 87 | 17 | 1 | 12 | 54 | 35 | 94 | 2 | 2 |
| Bligh Madris | L | 26 | RF | 451 | 404 | 51 | 91 | 21 | 2 | 8 | 42 | 36 | 98 | 2 | 3 |
| Ethan Paul | L | 25 | 2B | 179 | 160 | 20 | 29 | 5 | 0 | 1 | 9 | 17 | 61 | 3 | 0 |
| Connor Scott | L | 22 | RF | 485 | 458 | 49 | 109 | 24 | 4 | 9 | 39 | 23 | 107 | 11 | 6 |
| Cal Mitchell | L | 23 | RF | 480 | 446 | 58 | 108 | 20 | 1 | 12 | 51 | 21 | 98 | 4 | 4 |
| Fabricio Macias | R | 24 | RF | 430 | 405 | 52 | 103 | 17 | 2 | 5 | 39 | 16 | 100 | 9 | 7 |
| Jason Delay | R | 27 | C | 187 | 175 | 16 | 31 | 6 | 1 | 5 | 16 | 9 | 61 | 1 | 0 |
| Arden Pabst | R | 27 | C | 235 | 224 | 19 | 39 | 8 | 1 | 6 | 22 | 8 | 81 | 0 | 1 |
| Brendt Citta | R | 25 | 1B | 196 | 180 | 22 | 40 | 9 | 2 | 2 | 16 | 11 | 45 | 1 | 2 |
| Matt Gorski | R | 24 | CF | 383 | 354 | 42 | 69 | 15 | 1 | 6 | 31 | 22 | 123 | 11 | 1 |
| Carter Bins | R | 23 | C | 296 | 257 | 41 | 53 | 8 | 0 | 6 | 24 | 32 | 86 | 2 | 2 |
| Chase Murray | L | 24 | LF | 129 | 124 | 10 | 27 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 8 | 3 | 38 | 4 | 2 |
| Will Matthiessen | R | 24 | 1B | 348 | 321 | 41 | 66 | 13 | 1 | 7 | 31 | 24 | 127 | 1 | 2 |
| Grant Koch | R | 25 | C | 308 | 284 | 29 | 51 | 10 | 0 | 5 | 23 | 20 | 73 | 0 | 1 |
| Aaron Shackelford | L | 25 | 1B | 404 | 373 | 42 | 69 | 15 | 1 | 10 | 38 | 22 | 132 | 2 | 1 |
| Player | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS+ | ISO | BABIP | RC/27 | Def | WAR | No. 1 Comp |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Bryan Reynolds | .280 | .362 | .480 | 126 | .201 | .332 | 6.5 | -4 | 3.9 | Bernie Williams |
| Ke’Bryan Hayes | .254 | .319 | .400 | 94 | .146 | .313 | 4.8 | 10 | 2.5 | Ty Wigginton |
| Oneil Cruz | .269 | .319 | .500 | 117 | .231 | .315 | 6.2 | 0 | 2.5 | Adam Jones |
| Greg Allen | .254 | .327 | .373 | 90 | .118 | .316 | 4.7 | 7 | 1.4 | Reggie Williams |
| Hoy Park | .241 | .338 | .381 | 95 | .140 | .301 | 4.6 | -1 | 1.3 | Robinson Chirinos |
| Matt Fraizer | .250 | .309 | .399 | 90 | .149 | .309 | 4.5 | 0 | 1.2 | Felix Jose |
| Travis Swaggerty | .242 | .311 | .354 | 80 | .112 | .321 | 4.1 | 4 | 1.2 | Jon Jay |
| Jamie Ritchie | .253 | .336 | .355 | 85 | .102 | .310 | 4.3 | 1 | 1.1 | Jim Sundberg |
| Roberto Pérez | .197 | .284 | .333 | 67 | .136 | .264 | 3.2 | 8 | 1.0 | Steve Yeager |
| Kevin Newman | .264 | .307 | .367 | 82 | .103 | .283 | 4.1 | -1 | 1.0 | Paul Zuvella |
| Jared Triolo | .259 | .305 | .366 | 81 | .107 | .323 | 4.2 | 2 | 0.9 | John Wehner |
| Cole Tucker | .224 | .302 | .353 | 77 | .129 | .286 | 3.8 | 1 | 0.8 | Eric Riggs |
| Michael Chavis | .243 | .295 | .437 | 95 | .194 | .312 | 4.6 | -4 | 0.8 | Matt Macri |
| Rodolfo Castro | .222 | .267 | .400 | 78 | .179 | .267 | 3.7 | 6 | 0.8 | John Valentin |
| Nick Gonzales | .226 | .282 | .368 | 75 | .142 | .291 | 3.7 | 4 | 0.7 | Nick Green |
| Diego Castillo | .249 | .306 | .378 | 84 | .129 | .272 | 4.2 | -2 | 0.7 | Brent Butler |
| Hunter Owen | .211 | .273 | .390 | 77 | .179 | .290 | 3.6 | 4 | 0.7 | Ryan Minor |
| Canaan Smith-Njigba | .230 | .316 | .360 | 83 | .130 | .303 | 4.2 | 3 | 0.6 | Rich Becker |
| Liover Peguero | .231 | .274 | .342 | 66 | .111 | .301 | 3.6 | 4 | 0.6 | Greg Gagne |
| Ben Gamel | .251 | .344 | .391 | 99 | .140 | .333 | 4.6 | -3 | 0.5 | Pat Sheridan |
| Tucupita Marcano | .237 | .304 | .322 | 70 | .085 | .273 | 3.4 | 4 | 0.5 | Ever Magallanes |
| Bligh Madris | .249 | .309 | .372 | 84 | .123 | .350 | 4.1 | -4 | 0.5 | Al Lopez |
| Jack Suwinski | .224 | .308 | .406 | 92 | .182 | .288 | 4.3 | -2 | 0.4 | Dan Meier |
| Ji-hwan Bae | .241 | .303 | .359 | 79 | .118 | .306 | 3.9 | -1 | 0.4 | Juan Bell |
| Michael Perez | .204 | .273 | .351 | 68 | .147 | .258 | 3.2 | 4 | 0.4 | Tom Nieto |
| Will Craig | .225 | .295 | .397 | 85 | .172 | .281 | 4.0 | 5 | 0.4 | Vito Chiaravalloti |
| Yoshi Tsutsugo | .225 | .320 | .401 | 94 | .175 | .271 | 4.4 | -1 | 0.4 | Ray Giannelli |
| Mason Martin | .208 | .273 | .420 | 84 | .212 | .283 | 3.8 | 6 | 0.4 | Tom Forrester |
| Gregory Polanco | .226 | .302 | .416 | 92 | .189 | .278 | 4.7 | -4 | 0.3 | Ted Wood |
| Chris Sharpe | .198 | .279 | .327 | 64 | .129 | .284 | 3.0 | 5 | 0.2 | Pat Dobson |
| Eli Wilson | .227 | .303 | .343 | 75 | .116 | .300 | 3.6 | -3 | 0.2 | Lou Marson |
| Colin Moran | .257 | .322 | .414 | 98 | .157 | .314 | 4.8 | -5 | 0.2 | Matthew LeCroy |
| Connor Kaiser | .179 | .265 | .277 | 48 | .098 | .240 | 2.4 | 6 | 0.1 | Gil Velazquez |
| Anthony Alford | .230 | .308 | .381 | 86 | .151 | .345 | 4.1 | -1 | 0.1 | Larry Bigbie |
| Phillip Evans | .234 | .316 | .349 | 81 | .115 | .276 | 3.8 | 2 | 0.1 | Paul Torres |
| Wilmer Difo | .240 | .304 | .331 | 73 | .091 | .301 | 3.6 | -1 | 0.0 | Jose Uribe |
| Jared Oliva | .216 | .283 | .319 | 63 | .102 | .294 | 3.3 | 2 | 0.0 | Rashad Eldridge |
| Blake Sabol | .222 | .287 | .342 | 70 | .120 | .311 | 3.4 | -4 | -0.1 | Darryl Cias |
| Lolo Sanchez | .248 | .317 | .357 | 83 | .108 | .290 | 4.2 | -3 | -0.1 | Coco Crisp |
| Taylor Davis | .233 | .306 | .306 | 67 | .073 | .265 | 3.3 | -3 | -0.2 | Bob Swift |
| Andrew Susac | .189 | .294 | .351 | 74 | .162 | .239 | 3.3 | -3 | -0.2 | Henry Blanco |
| Dylan Busby | .171 | .255 | .333 | 58 | .162 | .284 | 2.7 | 4 | -0.2 | Duane Thielen |
| Joe Hudson | .182 | .242 | .288 | 43 | .106 | .243 | 2.3 | 3 | -0.3 | Charlie Greene |
| Dee Strange-Gordon | .258 | .288 | .347 | 71 | .089 | .293 | 3.7 | -5 | -0.3 | Craig Reynolds |
| Todd Frazier | .226 | .306 | .369 | 82 | .143 | .269 | 3.9 | -2 | -0.3 | Todd Zeile |
| Bligh Madris | .225 | .291 | .347 | 72 | .121 | .279 | 3.4 | 1 | -0.5 | Erold Andrus |
| Ethan Paul | .181 | .268 | .231 | 38 | .050 | .286 | 2.2 | 1 | -0.5 | Andrew Parrino |
| Connor Scott | .238 | .277 | .367 | 73 | .129 | .292 | 3.6 | 1 | -0.5 | Robin Jennings |
| Cal Mitchell | .242 | .283 | .372 | 76 | .130 | .286 | 3.7 | -1 | -0.6 | Chris Gwynn |
| Fabricio Macias | .254 | .293 | .343 | 72 | .089 | .327 | 3.5 | 0 | -0.6 | Victor Mata |
| Jason Delay | .177 | .225 | .309 | 43 | .131 | .239 | 2.3 | -2 | -0.7 | Fausto Tejero |
| Arden Pabst | .174 | .205 | .299 | 34 | .125 | .241 | 1.9 | 3 | -0.7 | Paul Chiaffredo |
| Brendt Citta | .222 | .281 | .328 | 65 | .106 | .286 | 3.0 | -2 | -0.7 | Roberto Alvarez |
| Matt Gorski | .195 | .244 | .294 | 45 | .099 | .280 | 2.7 | 2 | -0.8 | Brian McLamb |
| Carter Bins | .206 | .305 | .307 | 67 | .101 | .285 | 3.1 | -12 | -1.0 | Trey Lunsford |
| Chase Murray | .218 | .240 | .290 | 43 | .073 | .298 | 2.4 | -3 | -1.0 | Michael Massaro |
| Will Matthiessen | .206 | .262 | .318 | 56 | .112 | .316 | 2.7 | 1 | -1.2 | Mark Razook |
| Grant Koch | .180 | .238 | .268 | 37 | .088 | .223 | 2.0 | -8 | -1.8 | Jose Molina |
| Aaron Shackelford | .185 | .237 | .311 | 47 | .126 | .255 | 2.4 | 1 | -1.9 | John Lindsey |
| Player | T | Age | W | L | ERA | G | GS | IP | H | ER | HR | BB | SO | FIP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| JT Brubaker | R | 28 | 8 | 8 | 4.46 | 23 | 22 | 115.0 | 113 | 57 | 17 | 40 | 112 | 4.38 |
| Mitch Keller | R | 26 | 8 | 9 | 4.72 | 30 | 28 | 133.3 | 143 | 70 | 18 | 59 | 126 | 4.53 |
| Roansy Contreras | R | 22 | 4 | 4 | 4.16 | 16 | 16 | 71.3 | 70 | 33 | 9 | 24 | 67 | 4.12 |
| Cody Bolton | R | 24 | 7 | 7 | 4.50 | 21 | 21 | 90.0 | 90 | 45 | 11 | 36 | 79 | 4.38 |
| Bryse Wilson | R | 24 | 8 | 9 | 4.78 | 27 | 25 | 131.7 | 143 | 70 | 22 | 38 | 99 | 4.81 |
| Max Kranick | R | 24 | 7 | 8 | 4.72 | 25 | 25 | 110.7 | 119 | 58 | 15 | 39 | 88 | 4.63 |
| Jose Quintana | L | 33 | 5 | 6 | 4.63 | 28 | 18 | 103.0 | 106 | 53 | 15 | 39 | 100 | 4.30 |
| Zach Thompson | R | 28 | 5 | 4 | 4.30 | 36 | 10 | 81.7 | 80 | 39 | 11 | 29 | 74 | 4.33 |
| Trey McGough | L | 24 | 5 | 6 | 4.79 | 24 | 17 | 97.7 | 107 | 52 | 13 | 30 | 64 | 4.71 |
| David Bednar | R | 27 | 3 | 2 | 3.56 | 58 | 0 | 60.7 | 49 | 24 | 7 | 23 | 76 | 3.41 |
| Chad Kuhl | R | 29 | 5 | 6 | 4.76 | 25 | 15 | 79.3 | 76 | 42 | 11 | 43 | 76 | 4.92 |
| Omar Cruz | L | 23 | 6 | 7 | 5.04 | 20 | 20 | 89.3 | 96 | 50 | 12 | 39 | 67 | 4.90 |
| Trevor Cahill | R | 34 | 4 | 5 | 4.76 | 19 | 11 | 64.3 | 64 | 34 | 9 | 28 | 54 | 4.77 |
| Carmen Mlodzinski | R | 23 | 3 | 4 | 4.78 | 18 | 16 | 58.3 | 60 | 31 | 7 | 26 | 47 | 4.67 |
| Cody Ponce | R | 28 | 5 | 6 | 4.80 | 29 | 9 | 86.3 | 92 | 46 | 14 | 31 | 77 | 4.72 |
| Miguel Yajure | R | 24 | 4 | 5 | 4.91 | 18 | 15 | 73.3 | 76 | 40 | 12 | 27 | 60 | 4.94 |
| Dillon Peters | L | 29 | 4 | 6 | 5.09 | 22 | 18 | 93.7 | 101 | 53 | 16 | 32 | 80 | 4.88 |
| Steven Brault | L | 30 | 3 | 4 | 4.92 | 20 | 12 | 67.7 | 67 | 37 | 9 | 36 | 57 | 5.04 |
| Chris Stratton | R | 31 | 5 | 5 | 4.58 | 54 | 5 | 88.3 | 86 | 45 | 12 | 36 | 91 | 4.14 |
| James Marvel | R | 28 | 7 | 9 | 5.26 | 25 | 23 | 130.0 | 147 | 76 | 19 | 50 | 86 | 5.07 |
| Osvaldo Bido | R | 26 | 6 | 8 | 5.26 | 23 | 21 | 101.0 | 111 | 59 | 14 | 42 | 70 | 5.02 |
| Noe Toribio | R | 22 | 2 | 3 | 4.99 | 15 | 9 | 52.3 | 58 | 29 | 7 | 19 | 34 | 4.88 |
| Alex Manasa | R | 24 | 2 | 2 | 4.79 | 24 | 4 | 71.3 | 79 | 38 | 9 | 22 | 46 | 4.62 |
| Jeffrey Passantino | R | 26 | 4 | 5 | 5.21 | 19 | 13 | 74.3 | 82 | 43 | 13 | 25 | 59 | 5.04 |
| Kyle Nicolas | R | 23 | 4 | 6 | 5.33 | 23 | 22 | 99.7 | 103 | 59 | 16 | 54 | 90 | 5.24 |
| Sam Howard | L | 29 | 4 | 4 | 4.63 | 53 | 4 | 58.3 | 51 | 30 | 10 | 33 | 75 | 4.74 |
| Duane Underwood Jr. | R | 27 | 3 | 4 | 4.79 | 43 | 5 | 82.7 | 84 | 44 | 13 | 36 | 80 | 4.74 |
| Yerry De Los Santos | R | 24 | 3 | 3 | 4.10 | 21 | 0 | 26.3 | 25 | 12 | 3 | 11 | 25 | 4.13 |
| Bear Bellomy | R | 25 | 5 | 5 | 4.57 | 33 | 1 | 63.0 | 66 | 32 | 8 | 20 | 48 | 4.45 |
| Beau Sulser | R | 28 | 6 | 8 | 5.37 | 26 | 19 | 109.0 | 125 | 65 | 17 | 42 | 73 | 5.19 |
| Anthony Banda | L | 28 | 4 | 5 | 4.95 | 37 | 5 | 76.3 | 80 | 42 | 12 | 33 | 65 | 4.97 |
| Wil Crowe | R | 27 | 5 | 8 | 5.46 | 26 | 25 | 118.7 | 128 | 72 | 21 | 56 | 104 | 5.32 |
| Keury Mella | R | 28 | 4 | 6 | 5.21 | 34 | 11 | 86.3 | 92 | 50 | 14 | 39 | 70 | 5.16 |
| Kyle Keller | R | 29 | 2 | 2 | 4.67 | 45 | 1 | 52.0 | 46 | 27 | 8 | 27 | 61 | 4.62 |
| Kyle Crick | R | 29 | 3 | 3 | 4.58 | 44 | 0 | 39.3 | 34 | 20 | 4 | 24 | 42 | 4.58 |
| Nick Mears | R | 25 | 3 | 3 | 4.70 | 46 | 0 | 44.0 | 42 | 23 | 7 | 21 | 47 | 4.68 |
| Chasen Shreve | L | 31 | 3 | 3 | 4.72 | 55 | 0 | 53.3 | 50 | 28 | 9 | 26 | 54 | 4.92 |
| Austin Roberts | R | 23 | 3 | 4 | 4.71 | 38 | 0 | 63.0 | 64 | 33 | 9 | 26 | 56 | 4.69 |
| Blake Cederlind | R | 26 | 3 | 4 | 4.77 | 42 | 0 | 54.7 | 54 | 29 | 6 | 29 | 51 | 4.44 |
| Blake Weiman | L | 26 | 2 | 3 | 4.84 | 35 | 0 | 44.7 | 46 | 24 | 7 | 16 | 39 | 4.68 |
| Cristofer Melendez | R | 24 | 3 | 3 | 4.85 | 35 | 0 | 42.7 | 41 | 23 | 5 | 25 | 39 | 4.77 |
| Shea Spitzbarth | R | 27 | 3 | 3 | 4.80 | 49 | 0 | 54.3 | 53 | 29 | 8 | 25 | 50 | 4.80 |
| Jerad Eickhoff | R | 31 | 5 | 7 | 5.65 | 19 | 18 | 86.0 | 97 | 54 | 18 | 30 | 70 | 5.49 |
| Shelby Miller | R | 31 | 2 | 3 | 5.55 | 25 | 8 | 47.0 | 48 | 29 | 7 | 29 | 43 | 5.33 |
| Joe Jacques | L | 27 | 2 | 3 | 4.89 | 36 | 0 | 49.7 | 50 | 27 | 5 | 27 | 42 | 4.61 |
| Zach Matson | L | 26 | 2 | 3 | 4.97 | 35 | 0 | 41.7 | 37 | 23 | 5 | 31 | 46 | 4.98 |
| Travis MacGregor | R | 24 | 5 | 8 | 5.71 | 22 | 21 | 88.3 | 98 | 56 | 14 | 45 | 65 | 5.47 |
| Tyler Bashlor | R | 29 | 2 | 2 | 5.02 | 43 | 0 | 43.0 | 43 | 24 | 7 | 21 | 38 | 5.20 |
| Eric Hanhold | R | 28 | 2 | 2 | 5.04 | 40 | 0 | 44.7 | 47 | 25 | 6 | 20 | 36 | 4.79 |
| Hunter Stratton | R | 25 | 2 | 3 | 5.09 | 38 | 1 | 53.0 | 50 | 30 | 6 | 36 | 51 | 4.93 |
| Luis Oviedo | R | 23 | 2 | 4 | 5.85 | 26 | 7 | 47.7 | 49 | 31 | 8 | 34 | 44 | 5.84 |
| Cam Alldred | L | 25 | 2 | 2 | 5.04 | 35 | 0 | 60.7 | 63 | 34 | 8 | 33 | 47 | 5.17 |
| Braeden Ogle | L | 24 | 4 | 5 | 5.13 | 44 | 0 | 52.7 | 52 | 30 | 8 | 29 | 49 | 5.12 |
| Matt Eckelman | R | 28 | 3 | 4 | 5.07 | 39 | 0 | 60.3 | 65 | 34 | 8 | 25 | 44 | 4.84 |
| Cam Vieaux | L | 28 | 5 | 7 | 5.80 | 24 | 17 | 90.0 | 100 | 58 | 17 | 44 | 71 | 5.69 |
| Tanner Anderson | R | 29 | 4 | 7 | 5.72 | 29 | 9 | 74.0 | 86 | 47 | 12 | 30 | 43 | 5.50 |
| Nathan Kirby | L | 28 | 1 | 2 | 5.65 | 33 | 2 | 43.0 | 42 | 27 | 6 | 33 | 43 | 5.44 |
| Chase De Jong | R | 28 | 3 | 6 | 6.24 | 17 | 16 | 79.3 | 91 | 55 | 18 | 36 | 63 | 6.05 |
| Player | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | BB% | K% | BABIP | ERA+ | ERA- | WAR | No. 1 Comp |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| JT Brubaker | 8.8 | 3.1 | 1.3 | 8.0% | 22.5% | .299 | 97 | 103 | 1.3 | Adam Eaton |
| Mitch Keller | 8.5 | 4.0 | 1.2 | 9.8% | 21.0% | .321 | 91 | 110 | 1.1 | Bob Veselic |
| Roansy Contreras | 8.5 | 3.0 | 1.1 | 7.8% | 21.8% | .300 | 104 | 97 | 1.0 | Steve Cooke |
| Cody Bolton | 7.9 | 3.6 | 1.1 | 9.1% | 20.0% | .299 | 96 | 104 | 1.0 | Dave Weathers |
| Bryse Wilson | 6.8 | 2.6 | 1.5 | 6.7% | 17.4% | .297 | 90 | 111 | 0.9 | Dave Telgheder |
| Max Kranick | 7.2 | 3.2 | 1.2 | 8.0% | 18.0% | .306 | 91 | 109 | 0.9 | Sergio Mitre |
| Jose Quintana | 8.7 | 3.4 | 1.3 | 8.7% | 22.3% | .311 | 93 | 107 | 0.9 | Rick Honeycutt |
| Zach Thompson | 8.2 | 3.2 | 1.2 | 8.2% | 21.0% | .295 | 100 | 100 | 0.8 | Terry Leach |
| Trey McGough | 5.9 | 2.8 | 1.2 | 7.0% | 15.0% | .298 | 90 | 111 | 0.7 | Kevin Pickford |
| David Bednar | 11.3 | 3.4 | 1.0 | 9.1% | 30.2% | .292 | 121 | 83 | 0.6 | Kyle Farnsworth |
| Chad Kuhl | 8.6 | 4.9 | 1.2 | 12.0% | 21.3% | .294 | 91 | 110 | 0.6 | Kiko Calero |
| Omar Cruz | 6.8 | 3.9 | 1.2 | 9.7% | 16.7% | .302 | 86 | 117 | 0.4 | Rich Rundles |
| Trevor Cahill | 7.6 | 3.9 | 1.3 | 9.9% | 19.1% | .291 | 91 | 110 | 0.4 | Craig McMurtry |
| Carmen Mlodzinski | 7.3 | 4.0 | 1.1 | 10.0% | 18.0% | .299 | 90 | 111 | 0.4 | Ronnie Ray |
| Cody Ponce | 8.0 | 3.2 | 1.5 | 8.2% | 20.3% | .307 | 90 | 111 | 0.4 | Jose Silva |
| Miguel Yajure | 7.4 | 3.3 | 1.5 | 8.4% | 18.6% | .292 | 88 | 114 | 0.4 | Anthony Kelley |
| Dillon Peters | 7.7 | 3.1 | 1.5 | 7.8% | 19.4% | .305 | 85 | 118 | 0.4 | Jamie Moyer |
| Steven Brault | 7.6 | 4.8 | 1.2 | 11.8% | 18.6% | .291 | 88 | 114 | 0.4 | Les Walrond |
| Chris Stratton | 9.3 | 3.7 | 1.2 | 9.4% | 23.8% | .306 | 94 | 106 | 0.3 | Tim Worrell |
| James Marvel | 6.0 | 3.5 | 1.3 | 8.6% | 14.7% | .303 | 82 | 122 | 0.3 | Jim Magrane |
| Osvaldo Bido | 6.2 | 3.7 | 1.2 | 9.3% | 15.4% | .301 | 82 | 122 | 0.3 | Marcus Jones |
| Noe Toribio | 5.8 | 3.3 | 1.2 | 8.2% | 14.6% | .300 | 86 | 116 | 0.2 | Bob Keppel |
| Alex Manasa | 5.8 | 2.8 | 1.1 | 7.0% | 14.7% | .302 | 90 | 111 | 0.2 | Matt Schwager |
| Jeffrey Passantino | 7.1 | 3.0 | 1.6 | 7.6% | 18.0% | .304 | 83 | 121 | 0.2 | Elmer Dessens |
| Kyle Nicolas | 8.1 | 4.9 | 1.4 | 11.9% | 19.8% | .301 | 81 | 124 | 0.2 | Dustin McGowan |
| Sam Howard | 11.6 | 5.1 | 1.5 | 12.7% | 28.8% | .297 | 93 | 107 | 0.2 | Ricky Pickett |
| Duane Underwood Jr. | 8.7 | 3.9 | 1.4 | 9.8% | 21.9% | .305 | 90 | 111 | 0.2 | Steve Shields |
| Yerry De Los Santos | 8.5 | 3.8 | 1.0 | 9.6% | 21.9% | .297 | 105 | 95 | 0.1 | Chris Resop |
| Bear Bellomy | 6.9 | 2.9 | 1.1 | 7.3% | 17.5% | .299 | 94 | 106 | 0.1 | Randy Graham |
| Beau Sulser | 6.0 | 3.5 | 1.4 | 8.6% | 14.9% | .306 | 80 | 124 | 0.1 | Don August |
| Anthony Banda | 7.7 | 3.9 | 1.4 | 9.7% | 19.1% | .301 | 87 | 115 | 0.1 | Trever Miller |
| Wil Crowe | 7.9 | 4.2 | 1.6 | 10.4% | 19.3% | .306 | 79 | 127 | 0.1 | Greg Keagle |
| Keury Mella | 7.3 | 4.1 | 1.5 | 10.1% | 18.0% | .299 | 83 | 121 | 0.1 | Dave Stevens |
| Kyle Keller | 10.6 | 4.7 | 1.4 | 11.7% | 26.5% | .292 | 92 | 108 | 0.0 | Dwayne Henry |
| Kyle Crick | 9.6 | 5.5 | 0.9 | 13.5% | 23.6% | .291 | 94 | 106 | 0.0 | John Briscoe |
| Nick Mears | 9.6 | 4.3 | 1.4 | 10.8% | 24.2% | .299 | 92 | 109 | -0.1 | Alan Sontag |
| Chasen Shreve | 9.1 | 4.4 | 1.5 | 11.1% | 23.1% | .287 | 91 | 110 | -0.1 | Valerio de los Santos |
| Austin Roberts | 8.0 | 3.7 | 1.3 | 9.4% | 20.1% | .301 | 91 | 109 | -0.1 | Will Cunnane |
| Blake Cederlind | 8.4 | 4.8 | 1.0 | 11.8% | 20.8% | .306 | 90 | 111 | -0.1 | John Trautwein |
| Blake Weiman | 7.9 | 3.2 | 1.4 | 8.2% | 20.0% | .298 | 89 | 112 | -0.1 | Danny Zell |
| Cristofer Melendez | 8.2 | 5.3 | 1.1 | 13.0% | 20.2% | .295 | 89 | 112 | -0.1 | Anthony Chavez |
| Shea Spitzbarth | 8.3 | 4.1 | 1.3 | 10.4% | 20.8% | .292 | 90 | 111 | -0.1 | Steve Wapnick |
| Jerad Eickhoff | 7.3 | 3.1 | 1.9 | 7.8% | 18.2% | .303 | 76 | 131 | -0.1 | Jose Lima |
| Shelby Miller | 8.2 | 5.6 | 1.3 | 13.3% | 19.7% | .301 | 78 | 129 | -0.1 | Jarod Juelsgaard |
| Joe Jacques | 7.6 | 4.9 | 0.9 | 12.0% | 18.7% | .304 | 88 | 113 | -0.2 | Geoff Jones |
| Zach Matson | 9.9 | 6.7 | 1.1 | 16.1% | 23.8% | .296 | 87 | 115 | -0.2 | Steve Colyer |
| Travis MacGregor | 6.6 | 4.6 | 1.4 | 11.1% | 16.0% | .303 | 76 | 132 | -0.2 | Chris Enochs |
| Tyler Bashlor | 8.0 | 4.4 | 1.5 | 10.9% | 19.7% | .290 | 86 | 116 | -0.2 | John Kiely |
| Eric Hanhold | 7.3 | 4.0 | 1.2 | 10.0% | 18.0% | .301 | 86 | 117 | -0.2 | Erik Schullstrom |
| Hunter Stratton | 8.7 | 6.1 | 1.0 | 14.8% | 20.9% | .297 | 85 | 118 | -0.2 | Jeff Smith |
| Luis Oviedo | 8.3 | 6.4 | 1.5 | 15.0% | 19.5% | .299 | 74 | 136 | -0.3 | Robert Tenenini |
| Cam Alldred | 7.0 | 4.9 | 1.2 | 11.9% | 17.0% | .297 | 86 | 117 | -0.3 | Mike Venafro |
| Braeden Ogle | 8.4 | 5.0 | 1.4 | 12.2% | 20.6% | .295 | 84 | 119 | -0.3 | Josh Outman |
| Matt Eckelman | 6.6 | 3.7 | 1.2 | 9.3% | 16.4% | .302 | 85 | 118 | -0.3 | Rob Marquez |
| Cam Vieaux | 7.1 | 4.4 | 1.7 | 10.7% | 17.2% | .302 | 74 | 134 | -0.3 | Brian Forystek |
| Tanner Anderson | 5.2 | 3.6 | 1.5 | 8.9% | 12.8% | .300 | 75 | 133 | -0.4 | Jeff Farnsworth |
| Nathan Kirby | 9.0 | 6.9 | 1.3 | 16.3% | 21.2% | .303 | 76 | 131 | -0.4 | Bill White |
| Chase De Jong | 7.1 | 4.1 | 2.0 | 9.9% | 17.4% | .302 | 69 | 145 | -0.6 | Mike Saipe |
Players are listed with their most recent teams wherever possible. This includes players who are unsigned, players who will miss 2022 due to injury, and players who were released in 2021. So yes, if you see Joe Schmoe, who quit baseball back in August to form a big band orchestra that only plays nu-metal versions of baroque cantatas, he’s still listed here intentionally. ZiPS is assuming a league with an ERA of 4.36, similar to the post-June substance-enforcement environment.
Both hitters and pitchers are ranked by projected zWAR, which is to say, WAR values as calculated by me, Dan Szymborski, whose surname is spelled with a z. WAR values might differ slightly from those that appear in the full release of ZiPS. Finally, I will advise anyone against — and might karate chop anyone guilty of — merely adding up WAR totals on a depth chart to produce projected team WAR. ZiPS is assuming that the designated hitter will continue in force in 2022.
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Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.
Is Vito Chiaravalloti the #1 comp for Will Craig, or is he the guy who threatened Craig’s kneecaps if he didn’t move overseas after the Javy Baez rundown?
Oneil projection oh yes baby
Hot take: one of these years, Ke’Bryan is gonna make the leap Nolan Arenado made from 2013/14 to 2015. The contact ability and power combined with the athleticism and baseball acumen shall make it so. Especially when all of that stuff is so good and the remaining issue is so glaringly obvious (launch angle). Fun fact about this prediction: no one can call it definitively wrong until he retires.
Also, Dan, I would like to fight Zips over the Ty Wiggington comp. Tell that computer bum to meet me in Temecula
Hey, if Wiggy were a Gold Glove contender, his career may have taken a different pass!
Good god, I hope so. Their position player prospects and young regulars have fairly bright outlooks. I’m cautiously optimistic.
Wiggington was an All Star. Not too shabby.
An all-star in a season where he had -0.1 WAR
3.9 wins does seem a little low for the #1 player in the trade value rankings but I suppose you make some good points.
Honestly, after his lead-in, I thought the projection would be more like 2.9.
bleak, incredibly bleak! what random name generator did you use for this?
I do think that projecting Oneil Cruz for a 0 for defensive value is a pretty good omen. If he can play a league average shortstop he’s going to be a perennial 5-6 win player on the backs of his positional adjustment and 30+ homer power. Like Adam Dunn, but he plays an adequate shortstop. I’m not sure I believe it.
Is an adequate shortstop more valuable than a Gold Glove centerfielder?
Is Oneil a gold glove CF?
Look up “Dangerous Experiment: A Roster of 25 Adam Dunns.” Still probably the funniest sports-themed article on the internet.
I’ve had that one bookmarked for about five years now. Pure gold.
Do the Dodgers regret trading Cruz or Yordan Alvarez more?
If any team has a decent relief pitcher, like Josh Fields or Toby Watson, make sure you offer them to the Dodgers first.
Every team will have misses.
Alvarez! hes already one of the best hitters in the mlb
I would imagine Cruz.
Back in 2019 sometime I remember someone asked Eric Longenhagen in a chat here on FG about Alvarez and he said that the belief of many in the industry was that the Dodgers signed Alvarez sight-unseen and unscouted by the request of the Astros in order to complete the Fields trade with them (The Astros were in the international penalty that signing period). If that’s the case, the Dodgers likely don’t have much to regret about Alvarez panning out into a high quality major leaguer because they would never have had their own scouting on Alvarez and would have had a very limited period in which to do the said scouting, to say nothing of reneging on an agreed deal.
Cruz was their own player that they traded for (relatively) minor assistance.
I hadn’t heard this. Makes sense though.
Defensively average shortstops still need wrc+ 130~140 to be a 5-6 win player.
There is usually only a handful of prospects you can reasonably expect to be a perennial wrc+ 130~140 hitter.
I don’t think Cruz belongs in that group.
I think that’s about right–I think a league average shortstop defensively with a wRC+ of about 130 puts up a little over 5 wins over 600 PAs, assuming neutral baserunning. A 90 gets you to about 2 wins, and a 110 gets you to a little more than 3.5 (I think).
He’s gonna be good, though. Both Steamer and ZiPs are projecting him to be about 20% above league average in his first year. A lot is going to depend on how much pitchers try to avoid the parts of the plate where he gets a lot of power and whether he builds up a lot of walks. If he can’t adjust then he’s probably not going to get to 130.
Adam Eaton seems like a good comp until you realize it’s for a pitcher…
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Should have expected this to happen eventually.
Is it just me or is ZIPS becoming more prospect-friendly in its projections?
I’ve been wondering if it’s something to do with the impact of the missing 2020 season on minor leaguers’ statlines. I don’t know what would impact prospects but not career minor league journeymen, though. Maybe age relative to level?
Ty Wigginton comp! I thought he was gonna be a decent player after he looked good in 2002 but other than running over catchers he was never good at much of anything thought iirc he hit lefties well. He really couldn’t field at all though.
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Inscrutability seems like an odd choice for a baseball writer, but I like to have at least a skosh of it.
Google translate gives an impression:
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“Dolor in reprehenderit ” is the Nutting family motto.
Fascinating that the Latin word for ‘innings’ is ‘innings’.
This is worse than I realized. I’ve liked their rebuild on paper, but they’ve got to make some pitchers work out or it won’t matter how many good signings/trades they manage for making the farm better.
One possibly bright note is that ZIPS seems pretty high on prospects that aren’t near the top of the rankings or even ready for the majors–guys like Fraizer, Triolo, Castro, Castillo, and Smith-Njigba gives me hope that there is enough depth in the rebuild that the Pirates won’t need to fill positions from the waiver wire in the future.
I’m not sure how it could be worse than imagined considering they’re going with the long rebuild plan. One can certainly argue with the merits of tanking to this extreme (I don’t think it is a great idea). But considering that’s the course they’ve charted, I wouldn’t expect much in year 3.
I agree on the pitchers, but I wonder if part of the plan is to make most of their prospect targets in draft/trades to be position players and eventually trade for pitchers at the MLB level.
The issue now is that almost anyone they could have right now as a decent starter would be long gone by the time the team is good. It would be nicer if they had a guy like Tyler Mahle that was both good enough and young enough for them to extend, but there aren’t a lot of 27 year old, 3-win pitchers hanging around and so that’s not the situation they’re in.
So instead they have a ton of guys who are big question marks that they need to sort through, and if they don’t work out there’s not much behind them. We’ll find out soon enough whether Roansy Contreras and Miguel Yajure and Zach Thompson can hack it, and Keller’s probably on his last chance. But it’s not all that clear Priester and Mlodzinski (or Thomas, if you think he’s still a starter and he makes it through the Rule 5) are going to move fast, and Chandler and Malone and Solometo are well behind them. So for this year it’s probably fine because they’ve got guys to sift through, it’s next year that’s going to be a mess.
That said, if you were to stack all the farm systems side by side, my guess is that they’re easily above the median in terms of pitching talent. It’s not like the Cubs…on their list published today they have only two players who look they could be any kind of starter. The Pirates probably have six or seven. I don’t think their pitching pipeline is going to get confused with the Marlins or Mariners but it’s not that bad either.
A really interesting exercise would be to see a success range is for pitching prospects years after the fact. As in if we look at a teams system over three seasons (say 2019-2021) and took all the different prospects with a rating of 50 or higher, how did they turn out?
Maybe it’s me, but I think the ancient Branch Rickey fable about pitchers and their success rate will probably still be close to true. If you have three hotshot pitching prospects, one will make it, one will be waylaid by injuries, one will never make it.
I don’t usually test other people’s prospects, just mine.
Though I did for the first one I did, in 2014.

Awesome, thanks! I was thinking of it much more in a FG lens only.
This is roughly the same thing as TINSTAAPP but everyone has taken the wrong lessons from it. Because position player prospects pan out more often than pitching prospects, there’s this idea out there that you should lean harder on position player prospects than pitching prospects. But since you can win without pitchers, it means you probably need more pitching prospects than you originally thought.
Obviously, you should always take the “best player available” on your board or in trade but perhaps we need to recalibrate what the best player is for this reality. The Mariners are going to have a lower hit rate than their FV values suggest because so many of their prospects are pitchers, but ironically their system might be more valuable because pitchers who actually pan out are so much scarcer than hitters.
I’m guessing you mean “can’t” win without pitchers, rather than can. But anyway, I disagree. What wrong lessons were learned? That pitchers, especially pitching prospects, break down as they adjust to the professional level? Isn’t that part of the reason to trade for pitching at the MLB level? They’re the ones who have survived and haven’t broken yet!
No one is advocating to never draft pitchers, but given the success rate seemingly varied all over the draft board on pitchers, I think you can lean harder on development with them in the current game.
The point is to draft a bunch of hitters, have a higher relative % of them develop, then trade the developed hitters for developed pitchers (or sign developed pitchers).
Let someone else waste a bunch of draft picks and development resources on failed pitchers.
Of course, this only works if, at the major league level, GMs haven’t figured out some other way to weigh pitchers vs hitters taking into account the relative scarcity of each. I’m not sure that point has been reached yet.
“Colorado Rockies sunt in culpa” should be worked into every piece you write, Dan.
Today I remembered that Adam Jones was originally a SS.
Two different Farnsworth comps has to be worth something.
Nutting getting a discount on jerseys?
(I know, I know, it’s comps, not actual Pirates)
your Jose Quintana link goes to a 19-year-old minor leaguer with the blue jays
Crap, I was reading this and when we got to the bullpen I think I had a stroke.
Me too, but not because of the lorem ipsum.
Admit it, Dan, you fudged the comps to make Lolo = Coco.
Anyway, not especially heartening that I don’t even recognize the vast majority of comps—and the ones I do recognize are even worse. If Hayes really is the new Ty Wigginton, I might have to seek out radical therapy to have my Pirates fandom excised once and for all.
Wigginton had a wRC+ of 106 through his 20s. If he had been a Gold Glove-caliber defensive 3B — which he totally wasn’t — we’d think a lot more fondly of him!
Woof
Don’t you mean the “Eloy Jimenez AND Dylan Cease” trade?
Moral of the story. Bryan Reynolds is 27 and they should trade him. This team won’t be good in the next 3 years. A real shame the nicest stadium in baseball has the worst team.
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Sure, if the offer is for Rodriguez/Hancock or a package to the Yankees built around Volpe.
Zach Thomspon and Quintana are projected for fewer innings than is reasonable if they are healthy and they have near league average ERA’s. WARS maybe as high as 2 are possible for both. If the rest of the starters match or exceed these projections, then they are not the worst pitching staff this summer. Give over 600 plate appearances to Cruz and Hayes. add some a veteran worth 1 WAR to add depth or play every day. Then some youngster or two plays much better than above without anyone cratering and you’re getting much closer to .500 team.
Seems to be some depth in the system that they don’t need to employ negative WAR vets, ie Polanco, Perez, etc, for so many PAs. Should be some improvement there. Also advantage of prospects is if they aren’t performing you can just send them down. If Hoy Park has a bad few weeks, down to AAA, and bring up Diego Castillo.
so no love whatsoever for bryse wilson? I mean, innings eater is what this team needs, and I still think of that playoff start for atlanta against the dodgers a year ago… sigh
You’re not getting enough credit for the lorem ipsum joke in the comments. That killed me.
You can’t just lorem ipsum the good part!