2023 ZiPS Projections: Cleveland Guardians

For the 18th consecutive season, the ZiPS projection system is unleashing a full set of prognostications. For more information on the ZiPS projections, please consult this year’s introduction and MLB’s glossary entry. The team order is selected by lot, and today’s team is the Cleveland Guardians.

Batters

José Ramírez can make up for a lot of sins, but he can’t carry an offensive single-handedly. But luckily for the Guardians, he looks to have more help than in recent years, even with the surprising and quick decline and departure of Franmil Reyes. Andrés Giménez had a dynamite season, and the fact that he was 23 minimizes the chances that it was a fluke. He is projected to “merely” be worth around four wins instead of six, but people tend to be too quick in assuming that a breakout season represents a complete change in a player’s baseline; the past still matters for players who have breakout (or breakdown) seasons. I’d really like to see the Guardians swap Giménez and Rosario in the middle infield; I think the former is the better defensive player and is likely to be a bigger part of the team’s future than the latter. It’s not inappropriate at all to use him at the more crucial position, though I understand if Cleveland takes a “if it isn’t broken, don’t fix it” approach and avoids making a change. I do hope he serves as the backup option at short, even if it’s just to preserve flexibility with him for after 2023.

Steven Kwan also has regression toward the mean in the projection — a slightly more serious one than Giménez’s, given that he didn’t start off as high. I don’t actually think ZiPS is wrong on this on, given that it certainly didn’t hate Kwan going into 2022, projecting him at .287/.343/.426 before the season (and I wager most people would have taken the under on that line). As a left fielder without a lot of power, there’s simply only just so much WAR upside at the position. Like Adam Frazier, he is going to susceptible to a huge dropoff on a poor BABIP season, though I think he’s clearly a superior offensive player.

As you may have already seen in the Padres projections, ZiPS is a big Josh Bell skeptic. In fact, he has one of the projections that falls furthest from his recent stats of any player so far; he’s not a big loft hitter, and he hit the ball a lot less hard than he did in previous season. ZiPS just doesn’t think he has the plate discipline skillset to be Mark Grace. What ZiPS does like is the upgrade at catcher to Mike Zunino and Bo Naylor.

Even with a couple of down spots in the lineup overall, there aren’t really any gaping holes in Cleveland. The White Sox may regret going into this offseason simply expecting a bounceback season; just as most of Chicago’s offense has worse projections than before 2022, the Guardians’ are largely better. Every good season has some elements of good fortune, but it was a lot more to it than that.

Pitchers

Like the offense, there are data-based reasons to like most of rotation better going into 2023 than a year ago. I don’t think Shane Bieber is the pitcher he was two or three years ago, but he got through the season healthy, throwing 200 innings, and it’s reasonable to be a lot more confident about his contributions now. He’s lost some velocity, and I don’t know if he’s going to get much back, but he compensated well, mostly relegating his changeup from the main cast to a recurring character as he’s comfortable with his curve and cutter against lefties. There’s significant disagreement between Steamer and ZiPS on Triston McKenzie, and while neither projects him to match his 2022 numbers, ZiPS is more optimistic and thinks he might get some lost strikeouts back to boot. The rest of the rotation is unexciting, but the projections are generally solid and the computer likes a lot of the depth, from Joey Cantillo to Peyton “Love is a” Battenfield.

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There’s a limit on how bad a bullpen can be when Emmanuel Clase is the guy getting the highest-leverage innings. ZiPS basically thinks he has a good shot to be the best reliever of this generation, though with any pitcher, health is always going to be that hidden X factor. And luckily for the Guardians, the bullpen isn’t bad after Clase. Sam Hentges gets an excellent projection, and ZiPS is as high on James Karinchak about as much as possible for a guy who walks as many batters as he does. ZiPS doesn’t start to feel uneasy until you get to the very end of the bullpen.

Overall, White Sox pitching probably has the higher upside, but the Guardians are better equipped to survive if things go wrong. And with pitchers, things go wrong more often than not. If I were a Sox fan, I’d be a bit worried that the team is missing its moment; Cleveland is now at least Chicago’s equal and has far better reinforcements in the minors.

Ballpark graphic courtesy Eephus League. Depth charts constructed by way of those listed here.

Batters – Standard
Player B Age PO PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS
José Ramírez B 30 3B 637 558 93 152 38 4 30 108 67 82 20 5
Andrés Giménez L 24 2B 578 515 67 137 26 3 15 73 34 119 20 5
Steven Kwan L 25 LF 628 555 81 152 24 6 7 53 61 61 14 5
Amed Rosario R 27 SS 637 602 78 166 27 6 12 66 28 113 15 4
Myles Straw R 28 CF 573 514 75 129 22 2 2 39 54 93 24 3
Mike Zunino R 32 C 286 259 37 52 10 1 18 44 22 100 0 1
Bo Naylor L 23 C 477 420 55 88 18 3 14 58 50 144 9 2
Josh Bell B 30 1B 562 486 63 121 23 1 16 67 67 115 1 1
Tyler Freeman R 24 SS 437 395 57 104 18 2 4 58 22 51 6 2
Josh Naylor L 26 1B 514 465 57 120 29 0 19 73 42 80 5 1
Gabriel Arias R 23 SS 461 419 54 100 18 2 12 58 32 110 4 1
Brayan Rocchio B 22 SS 577 523 74 125 24 2 14 76 38 125 9 7
Will Brennan L 25 CF 555 505 61 130 28 3 8 67 38 80 10 4
Oscar Gonzalez R 25 RF 557 532 58 140 26 2 21 72 20 114 1 2
George Valera L 22 RF 547 478 67 116 16 3 18 69 60 160 2 3
Angel Martinez B 21 SS 451 402 46 92 20 4 8 49 37 101 6 5
Austin Hedges R 30 C 318 283 28 52 7 0 8 30 22 83 1 1
Richie Palacios L 26 LF 367 324 45 78 19 3 4 41 35 73 10 2
Anthony Alford R 28 CF 340 306 42 67 12 1 13 43 29 121 12 6
David Fry R 27 3B 476 432 50 98 25 2 12 59 33 117 1 1
Daniel Schneemann L 26 3B 388 352 37 77 12 2 5 32 29 106 9 3
Jose Fermin R 24 3B 379 334 52 79 11 1 5 44 29 55 6 4
Will Benson L 25 CF 480 410 66 86 18 4 15 58 60 150 10 3
Jake Fox L 20 2B 467 406 57 88 19 3 4 50 49 114 9 2
Micah Pries L 25 1B 454 415 45 95 19 4 12 64 28 130 10 2
Meibrys Viloria L 26 C 337 291 33 60 13 0 6 35 39 99 1 1
Milan Tolentino L 21 SS 470 418 49 83 19 0 4 43 46 159 11 2
Gavin Collins R 27 C 261 234 24 50 9 0 5 30 18 58 0 1
Jose Tena L 22 SS 563 533 63 123 23 4 11 62 23 145 5 4
Bryan Lavastida R 24 C 364 329 42 75 15 2 7 41 27 87 5 3
Raynel Delgado L 23 3B 399 358 32 75 13 2 4 40 30 97 8 6
Micael Ramirez R 24 C 238 215 20 47 9 0 1 18 20 48 1 1
Connor Kokx R 23 CF 308 269 38 57 9 2 4 38 28 75 6 5
Chris Roller R 26 CF 329 296 34 61 13 3 3 34 23 95 6 3
Bobby Bradley L 27 1B 370 330 41 63 14 0 15 49 30 146 0 1
Michael Berglund L 25 C 236 204 23 36 7 0 2 23 24 88 1 1
Jonathan Engelmann R 26 RF 244 222 25 43 10 0 5 28 17 78 3 1
Gabriel Rodriguez R 21 3B 387 359 35 77 14 1 4 35 23 106 2 2
Johnathan Rodriguez R 23 LF 411 386 38 85 17 2 12 51 21 128 2 1
Alexfri Planez R 21 RF 399 380 43 83 16 1 12 48 12 114 4 1
Joe Naranjo L 22 1B 509 451 50 93 15 2 9 52 52 156 3 1
Aaron Bracho B 22 2B 304 274 22 49 12 1 5 27 23 111 1 1
Victor Nova L 23 3B 284 254 28 45 9 1 1 20 26 92 3 2
Jhonkensy Noel R 21 RF 523 479 60 106 21 2 21 74 33 164 2 1
Julian Escobedo L 25 CF 394 357 45 73 15 2 5 40 27 101 7 5
Eric Rodriguez R 24 C 151 139 10 25 5 0 2 12 8 44 0 1
Michael Amditis R 25 C 178 159 16 30 9 0 2 13 17 52 0 1
Yordys Valdes B 21 SS 462 428 42 88 11 2 2 32 25 127 7 5
Petey Halpin L 21 CF 415 381 48 80 15 2 3 41 30 106 8 6

Batters – Advanced
Player PA BA OBP SLG OPS+ ISO BABIP Def WAR wOBA
José Ramírez 637 .272 .353 .516 138 .244 .274 4 5.6 .363
Andrés Giménez 578 .266 .336 .416 108 .150 .320 13 4.4 .327
Steven Kwan 628 .274 .350 .377 103 .103 .298 13 3.1 .320
Amed Rosario 637 .276 .309 .400 96 .125 .323 -2 2.5 .307
Myles Straw 573 .251 .322 .313 78 .062 .303 8 2.0 .285
Mike Zunino 286 .201 .273 .456 98 .255 .241 6 1.9 .310
Bo Naylor 477 .210 .300 .367 85 .157 .282 2 1.9 .294
Josh Bell 562 .249 .343 .399 106 .150 .296 1 1.6 .325
Tyler Freeman 437 .263 .328 .349 89 .086 .294 0 1.6 .302
Josh Naylor 514 .258 .323 .443 111 .185 .276 -1 1.5 .328
Gabriel Arias 461 .239 .300 .377 87 .138 .296 0 1.4 .296
Brayan Rocchio 577 .239 .302 .373 87 .134 .289 -3 1.4 .296
Will Brennan 555 .257 .315 .372 91 .115 .293 -4 1.1 .301
Oscar Gonzalez 557 .263 .293 .438 100 .175 .300 0 1.1 .311
George Valera 547 .243 .333 .402 104 .159 .327 -6 0.9 .322
Angel Martinez 451 .229 .300 .358 83 .129 .287 -1 0.9 .289
Austin Hedges 318 .184 .251 .293 51 .110 .229 11 0.8 .241
Richie Palacios 367 .241 .322 .355 89 .114 .300 2 0.7 .300
Anthony Alford 340 .219 .297 .392 90 .173 .314 -4 0.5 .300
David Fry 476 .227 .291 .377 84 .150 .284 -3 0.5 .291
Daniel Schneemann 388 .219 .280 .307 64 .088 .299 7 0.5 .261
Jose Fermin 379 .237 .313 .320 77 .084 .270 0 0.5 .285
Will Benson 480 .210 .316 .383 94 .173 .290 -11 0.5 .306
Jake Fox 467 .217 .313 .308 74 .091 .292 -3 0.3 .281
Micah Pries 454 .229 .291 .381 85 .152 .304 2 0.3 .291
Meibrys Viloria 337 .206 .307 .313 74 .107 .290 -4 0.3 .279
Milan Tolentino 470 .199 .281 .273 56 .074 .310 3 0.2 .252
Gavin Collins 261 .214 .281 .316 66 .103 .263 0 0.1 .266
Jose Tena 563 .231 .265 .351 70 .120 .297 -1 0.1 .266
Bryan Lavastida 364 .228 .294 .350 79 .122 .289 -9 -0.2 .282
Raynel Delgado 399 .209 .280 .291 60 .081 .276 4 -0.2 .256
Micael Ramirez 238 .219 .287 .274 58 .056 .277 -2 -0.2 .255
Connor Kokx 308 .212 .306 .305 72 .093 .279 -4 -0.3 .278
Chris Roller 329 .206 .277 .301 61 .095 .293 -1 -0.4 .258
Bobby Bradley 370 .191 .268 .370 75 .179 .284 1 -0.5 .277
Michael Berglund 236 .176 .277 .240 46 .064 .298 -2 -0.6 .241
Jonathan Engelmann 244 .194 .262 .306 58 .113 .273 1 -0.6 .253
Gabriel Rodriguez 387 .214 .264 .292 55 .078 .293 2 -0.6 .247
Johnathan Rodriguez 411 .220 .265 .368 74 .148 .297 -2 -0.7 .274
Alexfri Planez 399 .218 .248 .361 67 .142 .280 2 -0.7 .261
Joe Naranjo 509 .206 .295 .308 69 .102 .294 2 -0.7 .271
Aaron Bracho 304 .179 .248 .285 48 .106 .278 1 -0.8 .236
Victor Nova 284 .177 .255 .232 38 .055 .273 3 -0.8 .225
Jhonkensy Noel 523 .221 .281 .405 88 .184 .289 -10 -0.8 .294
Julian Escobedo 394 .204 .270 .300 59 .095 .271 -3 -0.8 .255
Eric Rodriguez 151 .180 .233 .259 37 .079 .247 -4 -0.9 .221
Michael Amditis 178 .189 .270 .283 55 .094 .267 -8 -1.0 .250
Yordys Valdes 462 .206 .253 .255 42 .049 .288 2 -1.1 .228
Petey Halpin 415 .210 .275 .283 56 .073 .283 -7 -1.5 .251

Batters – Top Near-Age Offensive Comps
Player Hit Comp 1 Hit Comp 2 Hit Comp 3
José Ramírez Charlie Gehringer Marcus Semien George Brett
Andrés Giménez Paul Molitor Trea Turner Hanley Ramirez
Steven Kwan Greg Gross Albie Pearson Shannon Stewart
Amed Rosario Cesar Gutierrez Erick Aybar Tony Fernandez
Myles Straw Kim Allen Scott Pose Teolindo Acosta
Mike Zunino Bruce Bochy Pinky Hargrave Orlando McFarlane
Bo Naylor Jorge Posada Joe Ferguson Austin Wells
Josh Bell Doug Mientkiewicz Denis Menke Cal Emery
Tyler Freeman Jose Rodriguez Keith Drumright Bob Schroder
Josh Naylor Kevin Millar Todd Helton Ed Kranepool
Gabriel Arias Dilson Herrera Donnie Collins Ronnie Merrill
Brayan Rocchio Denny Hocking Jorge Polanco Damion Easley
Will Brennan Curt Flood Ted Uhlaender Harry Walker
Oscar Gonzalez Keith Lampard Danny Cater Ricky Jordan
George Valera Dwight Evans Aaron Judge Ken Henderson
Angel Martinez Bob Sadowski D’Angelo Jimenez Felipe Crespo
Austin Hedges Jed Morris A.J. Hinch Dann Bilardello
Richie Palacios Blake Gailen Ruben Amaro Colin Willis
Anthony Alford Reggie Sanders Harrison Bader Jose Vidal
David Fry Kevin Young Brandon Drury Tony Frulio
Daniel Schneemann Ed Lucas Jamie Athas Shane Turner
Jose Fermin Peter Maris Rob Belloir Rico Rossy
Will Benson Bob Skube Eric Stuckenschneider Warren Newson 뉴선
Jake Fox Gene Caiafa Joe Delfino Beamer Weems
Micah Pries John Young Aaron Cunningham Pat Sheridan
Meibrys Viloria Tom Lundstedt Brian Jeroloman Luke Carlin
Milan Tolentino John Price Stan Charnofsky Roy McMillan
Gavin Collins Matt Jones Jeff Smith Tom Wieghaus
Jose Tena Cody Asche Marco Hernandez Scooter Gennett
Bryan Lavastida Bob Stinson Steven Sogge Conrado Lezcano
Raynel Delgado Mike Mordecai James Dyer Mike McCoy
Micael Ramirez Dock Doyle Red Rambo Brad King
Connor Kokx Dom Gatti Rick Colzie Kurtis Muller
Chris Roller Drew Muren Tony Mota Kyle Johnson
Bobby Bradley Michael Johnson Kevin Collins Rene Lachemann
Michael Berglund Dallas Tarleton Bob Turzilli Dan Plante
Jonathan Engelmann J.D. Reininger Cameron Satterwhite Jim Tolleson
Gabriel Rodriguez Brian Lane Adolfo Feliz Edward Williams
Johnathan Rodriguez Mark Brouhard Mike Vail Geronimo Berroa 베로아
Alexfri Planez Josh Hamilton Alejandro Sanchez Orlando Sanchez
Joe Naranjo Bo Dodson Tim Thompson John Oster
Aaron Bracho Sonny Bowers Scott Clemo Charles Rouse
Victor Nova Myles Barnden Donald Pope Pedro Ruiz
Jhonkensy Noel Shawn Dantzler Frank Ortenzio Lamar Johnson
Julian Escobedo Mike Epping Miguel Sabino Tim Demerson
Eric Rodriguez Roger Johnson Travis Chapman Kyle Pollock
Michael Amditis Josh Glassey Nick Derba Drew Larned
Yordys Valdes Ozzie Chavez Santiago Perez Christian Lara
Petey Halpin Luis Ayala Keith Jones Elijah Bonaparte

Batters – 80th/20th Percentiles
Player 80th BA 80th OBP 80th SLG 80th OPS+ 80th WAR 20th BA 20th OBP 20th SLG 20th OPS+ 20th WAR
José Ramírez .295 .382 .588 160 7.3 .250 .329 .465 117 3.9
Andrés Giménez .290 .362 .463 127 5.8 .240 .313 .371 90 3.1
Steven Kwan .301 .378 .419 122 4.7 .246 .324 .339 86 1.9
Amed Rosario .305 .334 .446 114 4.0 .249 .282 .355 76 0.9
Myles Straw .276 .349 .348 95 3.2 .224 .293 .280 62 0.8
Mike Zunino .229 .300 .537 124 2.9 .174 .247 .379 72 1.1
Bo Naylor .237 .327 .429 108 3.2 .183 .273 .311 66 0.6
Josh Bell .273 .368 .448 123 2.9 .223 .315 .353 86 0.2
Tyler Freeman .294 .354 .393 108 2.6 .239 .302 .311 74 0.7
Josh Naylor .285 .348 .491 131 2.9 .236 .296 .387 91 0.1
Gabriel Arias .264 .327 .429 107 2.5 .216 .278 .328 70 0.4
Brayan Rocchio .261 .325 .425 104 2.6 .215 .276 .332 70 0.0
Will Brennan .281 .341 .414 108 2.3 .230 .290 .332 74 -0.1
Oscar Gonzalez .286 .315 .491 120 2.5 .238 .269 .387 82 -0.2
George Valera .273 .360 .462 125 2.3 .216 .303 .357 86 -0.4
Angel Martinez .256 .324 .411 101 1.9 .208 .274 .324 66 -0.1
Austin Hedges .210 .275 .348 71 1.5 .161 .223 .255 35 0.0
Richie Palacios .267 .345 .395 106 1.5 .213 .293 .315 70 -0.1
Anthony Alford .247 .323 .451 112 1.4 .194 .270 .342 69 -0.3
David Fry .252 .312 .430 103 1.6 .202 .266 .335 67 -0.6
Daniel Schneemann .244 .304 .349 82 1.4 .191 .254 .271 47 -0.3
Jose Fermin .261 .338 .356 94 1.3 .211 .289 .283 61 -0.3
Will Benson .237 .341 .441 115 1.7 .183 .289 .333 74 -0.7
Jake Fox .244 .340 .348 90 1.3 .192 .289 .271 58 -0.6
Micah Pries .255 .318 .427 106 1.5 .205 .266 .328 66 -0.8
Meibrys Viloria .233 .335 .361 92 1.0 .178 .278 .266 53 -0.6
Milan Tolentino .222 .304 .311 71 1.1 .169 .254 .236 38 -1.0
Gavin Collins .239 .308 .360 84 0.8 .186 .254 .271 49 -0.5
Jose Tena .259 .293 .398 89 1.5 .208 .243 .310 54 -1.1
Bryan Lavastida .253 .319 .401 98 0.7 .203 .269 .314 63 -0.9
Raynel Delgado .238 .306 .333 78 0.7 .185 .256 .257 44 -1.0
Micael Ramirez .247 .317 .311 75 0.3 .184 .257 .232 40 -0.8
Connor Kokx .239 .335 .353 91 0.4 .184 .283 .270 56 -0.9
Chris Roller .233 .306 .339 79 0.3 .177 .252 .263 45 -1.1
Bobby Bradley .215 .294 .422 95 0.4 .164 .243 .320 56 -1.4
Michael Berglund .207 .309 .283 64 0.0 .150 .250 .203 29 -1.1
Jonathan Engelmann .226 .293 .351 79 0.0 .167 .233 .254 37 -1.3
Gabriel Rodriguez .243 .292 .328 71 0.1 .189 .239 .252 39 -1.4
Johnathan Rodriguez .245 .288 .416 93 0.3 .198 .243 .327 57 -1.5
Alexfri Planez .246 .273 .409 85 0.2 .198 .227 .314 49 -1.6
Joe Naranjo .233 .320 .359 87 0.4 .181 .270 .269 52 -1.8
Aaron Bracho .213 .278 .342 70 0.0 .149 .214 .236 26 -1.6
Victor Nova .212 .288 .278 60 0.0 .152 .227 .194 20 -1.4
Jhonkensy Noel .247 .305 .454 106 0.4 .196 .256 .359 70 -2.0
Julian Escobedo .233 .299 .345 78 0.1 .181 .248 .268 44 -1.6
Eric Rodriguez .210 .268 .300 56 -0.5 .154 .208 .216 18 -1.3
Michael Amditis .218 .302 .327 74 -0.5 .160 .241 .238 35 -1.4
Yordys Valdes .232 .280 .289 59 -0.1 .183 .232 .225 29 -1.9
Petey Halpin .232 .298 .314 72 -0.6 .187 .251 .250 43 -2.2

Pitchers – Standard
Player T Age W L ERA G GS IP H ER HR BB SO
Emmanuel Clase R 25 6 2 2.27 74 0 71.3 53 18 3 17 75
Shane Bieber R 28 12 7 3.22 28 28 176.0 152 63 21 38 192
Sam Hentges L 26 3 2 3.24 59 0 58.3 49 21 5 24 67
James Karinchak R 27 3 3 3.33 55 0 54.0 36 20 6 31 79
Nic Enright R 26 4 2 3.51 43 1 59.0 50 23 7 17 66
Triston McKenzie R 25 11 8 3.61 26 25 162.0 140 65 24 36 161
Trevor Stephan R 27 5 4 3.98 50 3 63.3 54 28 8 25 76
Nick Sandlin R 26 3 3 4.01 52 0 49.3 39 22 5 26 53
Kevin Kelly R 25 4 4 4.02 44 1 56.0 50 25 7 17 57
Cody Morris R 26 3 3 4.02 21 17 71.7 63 32 10 27 84
Anthony Gose L 32 3 3 4.05 35 0 33.3 26 15 5 17 43
Cal Quantrill R 28 9 8 4.08 31 27 161.0 155 73 21 47 119
Joey Cantillo L 23 5 5 4.15 22 19 82.3 67 38 10 44 93
Aaron Civale R 28 6 6 4.21 21 21 109.0 100 51 16 29 99
Ian Hamilton R 28 4 4 4.24 35 1 46.7 39 22 5 25 52
Andrew Misiaszek L 25 3 3 4.28 36 2 54.7 49 26 8 27 62
Nick Mikolajchak R 25 3 4 4.30 43 0 46.0 42 22 6 21 45
Tanner Bibee R 24 7 7 4.31 23 23 117.0 111 56 17 33 101
Tim Herrin L 26 2 3 4.31 39 1 62.7 57 30 8 28 64
Enyel De Los Santos R 27 3 4 4.33 42 5 62.3 55 30 9 23 70
Gavin Williams R 23 4 5 4.33 26 26 108.0 95 52 16 44 111
Zach Plesac R 28 7 8 4.35 24 24 132.3 128 64 20 35 102
Peyton Battenfield R 25 5 7 4.37 25 24 125.7 126 61 17 43 93
Xzavion Curry R 24 6 6 4.40 24 21 116.7 112 57 17 38 101
Cade Smith R 24 3 3 4.42 41 0 53.0 43 26 7 32 64
Daniel Espino R 22 6 6 4.42 22 22 93.7 83 46 14 48 110
Aaron Pinto R 26 3 3 4.45 36 1 54.7 51 27 8 26 56
Bryan Shaw R 35 3 4 4.50 54 1 54.0 51 27 7 25 45
Eli Morgan R 27 5 5 4.60 33 13 88.0 82 45 16 26 87
Tanner Tully L 28 6 7 4.63 24 19 114.7 125 59 15 32 73
Jaime Arias-Bautista L 24 3 5 4.67 26 13 79.0 81 41 12 28 63
Kirk McCarty L 27 5 7 4.67 25 14 94.3 97 49 14 35 69
Logan Allen L 26 4 5 4.71 28 13 78.3 77 41 10 35 63
Hunter Gaddis R 25 6 8 4.76 22 21 104.0 98 55 18 38 104
Konnor Pilkington L 25 5 6 4.80 24 20 99.3 96 53 15 49 91
Tanner Burns R 24 4 5 4.84 20 20 83.7 81 45 12 43 72
Mason Hickman R 24 5 6 4.94 24 13 74.7 71 41 11 40 71
Randy Labaut L 26 4 6 5.00 31 1 54.0 50 30 9 33 54
Adam Scott L 27 4 5 5.00 28 15 77.3 77 43 12 41 72
Kyle Marman R 26 3 3 5.06 35 0 42.7 40 24 7 25 44
Robert Broom R 26 3 5 5.13 42 1 54.3 52 31 7 30 41
Brett Daniels R 27 4 6 5.16 28 8 68.0 68 39 11 38 62
Justin Lewis R 27 2 4 5.19 31 6 59.0 59 34 10 30 52
Eli Lingos L 27 2 3 5.19 30 5 60.7 65 35 11 24 44
Ross Carver R 23 5 8 5.20 22 22 105.7 103 61 18 44 90
Kevin Coulter R 26 3 5 5.48 18 7 46.0 52 28 8 22 30
Zach Hart R 26 3 6 5.48 27 0 46.0 44 28 8 35 48
Thomas Ponticelli R 26 3 4 5.51 30 9 67.0 71 41 12 33 50
Doug Nikhazy L 23 3 6 5.73 23 23 88.0 79 56 11 83 87
Jordan Jones R 25 3 5 5.73 23 7 55.0 59 35 9 34 41
Shane McCarthy R 26 1 2 5.74 8 8 31.3 33 20 7 17 28
Luis Oviedo R 24 2 4 5.89 24 9 55.0 56 36 10 37 47
Zach Draper L 28 3 5 6.03 20 8 62.7 74 42 13 28 39
Alex Royalty R 26 3 6 6.21 16 15 66.7 72 46 13 38 49

Pitchers – Advanced
Player IP K/9 BB/9 HR/9 BB% K% BABIP ERA+ FIP ERA- WAR
Emmanuel Clase 71.3 9.5 2.1 0.4 6.0% 26.5% .272 182 2.35 55 2.2
Shane Bieber 176.0 9.8 1.9 1.1 5.3% 26.9% .287 128 3.24 78 3.9
Sam Hentges 58.3 10.3 3.7 0.8 9.6% 26.9% .297 128 3.26 78 0.7
James Karinchak 54.0 13.2 5.2 1.0 13.4% 34.1% .273 124 3.45 81 0.7
Nic Enright 59.0 10.1 2.6 1.1 7.0% 27.0% .287 118 3.37 85 0.6
Triston McKenzie 162.0 8.9 2.0 1.3 5.5% 24.5% .270 115 3.83 87 2.8
Trevor Stephan 63.3 10.8 3.6 1.1 9.3% 28.4% .295 104 3.77 96 0.5
Nick Sandlin 49.3 9.7 4.7 0.9 12.3% 25.1% .270 103 4.21 97 0.2
Kevin Kelly 56.0 9.2 2.7 1.1 7.3% 24.5% .287 103 3.92 97 0.3
Cody Morris 71.7 10.5 3.4 1.3 8.8% 27.4% .294 103 3.88 97 1.0
Anthony Gose 33.3 11.6 4.6 1.4 11.8% 29.9% .276 102 4.32 98 0.1
Cal Quantrill 161.0 6.7 2.6 1.2 7.0% 17.6% .276 101 4.40 99 1.9
Joey Cantillo 82.3 10.2 4.8 1.1 12.4% 26.1% .277 100 4.22 100 1.0
Aaron Civale 109.0 8.2 2.4 1.3 6.4% 22.0% .276 98 4.18 102 1.2
Ian Hamilton 46.7 10.0 4.8 1.0 12.1% 25.1% .286 97 4.05 103 0.2
Andrew Misiaszek 54.7 10.2 4.4 1.3 11.3% 25.8% .293 97 4.32 103 0.1
Nick Mikolajchak 46.0 8.8 4.1 1.2 10.5% 22.5% .286 96 4.26 104 0.1
Tanner Bibee 117.0 7.8 2.5 1.3 6.7% 20.6% .280 96 4.26 104 1.1
Tim Herrin 62.7 9.2 4.0 1.1 10.1% 23.1% .290 96 4.25 104 0.1
Enyel De Los Santos 62.3 10.1 3.3 1.3 8.7% 26.4% .289 95 4.04 105 0.3
Gavin Williams 108.0 9.3 3.7 1.3 9.6% 24.1% .277 95 4.44 105 1.1
Zach Plesac 132.3 6.9 2.4 1.4 6.3% 18.4% .275 95 4.48 105 1.2
Peyton Battenfield 125.7 6.7 3.1 1.2 8.0% 17.2% .285 95 4.51 106 1.2
Xzavion Curry 116.7 7.8 2.9 1.3 7.6% 20.3% .283 94 4.40 106 1.1
Cade Smith 53.0 10.9 5.4 1.2 13.6% 27.2% .281 94 4.61 107 -0.1
Daniel Espino 93.7 10.6 4.6 1.3 11.6% 26.5% .295 94 4.32 107 0.8
Aaron Pinto 54.7 9.2 4.3 1.3 10.7% 23.0% .293 93 4.54 107 0.0
Bryan Shaw 54.0 7.5 4.2 1.2 10.6% 19.1% .280 92 4.67 109 -0.1
Eli Morgan 88.0 8.9 2.7 1.6 7.1% 23.7% .278 90 4.56 111 0.5
Tanner Tully 114.7 5.7 2.5 1.2 6.5% 14.7% .296 89 4.52 112 0.8
Jaime Arias-Bautista 79.0 7.2 3.2 1.4 8.2% 18.4% .291 89 4.63 113 0.4
Kirk McCarty 94.3 6.6 3.3 1.3 8.5% 16.8% .286 88 4.80 113 0.4
Logan Allen 78.3 7.2 4.0 1.1 10.1% 18.3% .288 88 4.81 114 0.3
Hunter Gaddis 104.0 9.0 3.3 1.6 8.5% 23.3% .285 87 4.73 115 0.5
Konnor Pilkington 99.3 8.2 4.4 1.4 11.1% 20.6% .288 86 4.88 116 0.4
Tanner Burns 83.7 7.7 4.6 1.3 11.5% 19.2% .285 85 4.98 117 0.3
Mason Hickman 74.7 8.6 4.8 1.3 11.9% 21.2% .288 84 4.89 119 0.1
Randy Labaut 54.0 9.0 5.5 1.5 13.4% 22.0% .283 83 5.21 121 -0.4
Adam Scott 77.3 8.4 4.8 1.4 11.7% 20.6% .295 83 5.13 121 0.1
Kyle Marman 42.7 9.3 5.3 1.5 12.7% 22.3% .289 82 4.98 122 -0.4
Robert Broom 54.3 6.8 5.0 1.2 12.3% 16.8% .276 81 5.42 124 -0.5
Brett Daniels 68.0 8.2 5.0 1.5 12.3% 20.1% .294 80 5.29 125 -0.2
Justin Lewis 59.0 7.9 4.6 1.5 11.2% 19.5% .288 80 5.42 125 -0.3
Eli Lingos 60.7 6.5 3.6 1.6 8.9% 16.4% .289 80 5.30 126 -0.3
Ross Carver 105.7 7.7 3.7 1.5 9.5% 19.4% .280 80 5.31 126 0.0
Kevin Coulter 46.0 5.9 4.3 1.6 10.5% 14.3% .297 75 5.61 132 -0.3
Zach Hart 46.0 9.4 6.8 1.6 16.1% 22.1% .293 75 5.68 132 -0.7
Thomas Ponticelli 67.0 6.7 4.4 1.6 10.7% 16.3% .288 75 5.60 133 -0.4
Doug Nikhazy 88.0 8.9 8.5 1.1 19.5% 20.4% .285 72 5.80 138 -0.6
Jordan Jones 55.0 6.7 5.6 1.5 13.2% 16.0% .294 72 5.70 138 -0.5
Shane McCarthy 31.3 8.0 4.9 2.0 11.9% 19.6% .289 72 5.99 139 -0.2
Luis Oviedo 55.0 7.7 6.1 1.6 14.1% 17.9% .288 70 6.15 142 -0.6
Zach Draper 62.7 5.6 4.0 1.9 9.8% 13.6% .298 69 6.14 146 -0.8
Alex Royalty 66.7 6.6 5.1 1.8 12.2% 15.8% .288 67 6.38 150 -0.8

Pitchers – Top Near-Age Comps and Percentiles
Player Pit Comp 1 Pit Comp 2 Pit Comp 3 80th WAR 20th WAR 80th ERA 20th ERA
Emmanuel Clase Roberto Osuna Bruce Sutter Luis DeLeon 2.9 1.4 1.76 2.89
Shane Bieber Félix Hernández Dan Haren John Lackey 5.0 2.7 2.72 3.81
Sam Hentges Bob McClure Darold Knowles John Franco 1.2 0.1 2.56 4.16
James Karinchak Mark Littell Carl Edwards Ricky Bottalico 1.4 -0.2 2.54 4.54
Nic Enright Jonathan Holder Doug Bird Mike Adams 1.2 -0.1 2.66 4.69
Triston McKenzie Robin Roberts Bret Saberhagen Ismael Valdez 4.0 1.8 3.00 4.21
Trevor Stephan Robbie Crabtree Micheal Nakamura Tom Mastny 1.1 -0.3 3.26 5.03
Nick Sandlin Hal Reniff Mike Garman Dave Campbell 0.7 -0.6 3.31 5.24
Kevin Kelly Ryan Kurosaki Chuck Everson Don Perigny 0.8 -0.3 3.20 5.20
Cody Morris Angel Guzman Pete Redfern Shannon Jones 1.6 0.3 3.43 4.87
Anthony Gose Jesse Orosco Steve Mingori Jim Brewer 0.5 -0.4 3.13 5.61
Cal Quantrill Chien-Ming Wang Marcus Stroman Roberto Hernandez 2.8 0.9 3.61 4.64
Joey Cantillo Bob McClure Bill Bayne Lance Dickson 1.7 0.1 3.47 5.02
Aaron Civale George Blaeholder Freddie Fitzsimmons Larry Dierker 1.9 0.5 3.67 4.85
Ian Hamilton Chad Harville Tom Farias Jose Veras 0.5 -0.4 3.64 5.29
Andrew Misiaszek Dave Tomlin Ian Krol Curt Wardle 0.7 -0.5 3.55 5.13
Nick Mikolajchak Sam Demel Brian Drahman Kyle Foster 0.5 -0.3 3.67 5.02
Tanner Bibee Francisco Barrios Dave Miller Kyle Lohse 2.0 0.2 3.69 5.01
Tim Herrin Mike Curtis C.J. Riefenhauser Pedro Borbon 0.6 -0.5 3.64 5.14
Enyel De Los Santos Emilio Pagan Steve Blateric Chris Piersoll 0.9 -0.4 3.61 5.46
Gavin Williams Gary Gentry Bruce Kison Bruce Howard 1.9 0.1 3.76 5.09
Zach Plesac Nick Martinez Trevor Williams Kyle Lohse 2.0 0.4 3.89 4.83
Peyton Battenfield Jim Perry Nick Martinez Chris Volstad 볼스테드 1.9 0.3 3.94 4.92
Xzavion Curry George Uhle Mark Clark Jason Davis 2.0 0.1 3.78 5.13
Cade Smith Tommy Kahnle Eddy Rodriguez Franklyn German 0.4 -0.7 3.76 5.38
Daniel Espino Nardi Contreras Bonifacio Aponte Doug Weiss 1.6 -0.2 3.85 5.28
Aaron Pinto Chris Davis Madison Younginer Craig Molldrem 0.5 -0.5 3.64 5.09
Bryan Shaw Moe Burtschy Tom Hurd Willie Banks 0.3 -0.7 3.91 5.39
Eli Morgan Sergio Valdez Erik Swanson Amaury Telemaco 텔레마코 1.3 -0.4 3.85 5.52
Tanner Tully Dick Ellsworth Cole Irvin Mitchell Lambson 1.4 -0.1 4.17 5.31
Jaime Arias-Bautista Jimmy Terrill Eric Barry Matt Crouse 0.9 -0.3 4.14 5.44
Kirk McCarty Matt Whitehouse Eliecer Navarro Pete Kendrick 1.0 -0.4 4.18 5.32
Logan Allen Ron Locke Joe Savery Ben Kozlowski 0.8 -0.3 4.22 5.34
Hunter Gaddis Moose Haas Rob Bell Jose Acevedo 1.3 -0.5 4.13 5.59
Konnor Pilkington Mike Connolly Bill Boemler Travis Blackley 트레비스 1.1 -0.3 4.25 5.45
Tanner Burns Kyle Parker Beau Burrows Rich Webster 0.8 -0.3 4.34 5.39
Mason Hickman Pete Walker Steve Burke Dave Wainhouse 0.7 -0.6 4.41 5.72
Randy Labaut Kyle Bird Joel McKeon Williams Jerez 0.1 -0.9 4.26 5.95
Adam Scott Camilo Vazquez Don Corella Matt Whitehouse 0.8 -0.6 4.31 5.77
Kyle Marman Mike Heinen Mike Perconte David Patton 0.0 -0.8 4.31 5.82
Robert Broom Bill Wakefield A.J. Morris Paul Gnacinski -0.2 -1.0 4.66 5.88
Brett Daniels Matt Peterson Mike Bumstead Jonathan Joseph 0.3 -0.9 4.59 6.02
Justin Lewis P.J. Francescon Fernando Zarranz Mark Woodyard 0.1 -0.8 4.66 5.87
Eli Lingos Tommy Phelps Matt Tenuta Austin Hamilton 0.1 -0.8 4.61 5.91
Ross Carver Skip Lockwood Jeff Peterek Matt Esparza 0.7 -0.6 4.66 5.73
Kevin Coulter Wuilder Rodriguez Jason Dobis Daniel DeSimone 0.0 -0.7 4.86 6.12
Zach Hart Ronel Blanco Andrew Edwards Navery Moore -0.2 -1.2 4.80 6.50
Thomas Ponticelli Brandon Backe Dave Reynolds Matt Parish 0.1 -1.0 4.90 6.20
Doug Nikhazy Carl Hamilton Bill Landis Rick Young 0.2 -1.5 5.06 6.66
Jordan Jones Kevin Mannix Kevin Sheredy Trystan Magnuson 0.0 -0.9 5.10 6.49
Shane McCarthy Robert Plemmons Geo Bosworth Brad Duvall 0.0 -0.5 5.21 6.65
Luis Oviedo Jheyson Manzueta Jason Backs Ron Schamp -0.1 -1.1 5.21 6.73
Zach Draper Kris Kozlowski Matt Iannazzo Anthony Marzi -0.3 -1.3 5.45 6.77
Alex Royalty Bret Helton Tony Vocca Justin La Tempa -0.4 -1.4 5.69 6.98

Players are listed with their most recent teams wherever possible. This includes players who are unsigned or have retired, players who will miss 2023 due to injury, and players who were released in 2022. So yes, if you see Joe Schmoe, who quit baseball back in August to form a Norwegian Death Dixieland Bubblegum Ska-Funk band, he’s still listed here intentionally. ZiPS is assuming a league with an ERA of 4.22, above 2022’s level of offense but lower than other years. Pitchers who appear to have a fairly definite change in the majors from start-to-relief or vice-versa from these projections will receive reconfigured updates in the spring.

Hitters are ranked by zWAR, which is to say, WAR values as calculated by me, Dan Szymborski, whose surname is spelled with a z. WAR values might differ slightly from those that appear in the full release of ZiPS. Finally, I will advise anyone against — and might karate chop anyone guilty of — merely adding up WAR totals on a depth chart to produce projected team WAR.

As always, incorrect projections are either caused by flaws in the physical reality of the universe or by skillful sabotage of our friend and former editor. You can, however, still get mad at me on Twitter.





Dan Szymborski is a senior writer for FanGraphs and the developer of the ZiPS projection system. He was a writer for ESPN.com from 2010-2018, a regular guest on a number of radio shows and podcasts, and a voting BBWAA member. He also maintains a terrible Twitter account at @DSzymborski.

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Cave Dameron
3 years ago

Thank you Dan, very cool!

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago

I’ll take the under on a .255 ISO from Zunino, but I think the Guardians should be slight favorites in a bad division.

Mahoney
3 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

Even with a lower ISO, if Zunino follow the path of his #1 comp, Cleveland should be in good hands once Tito retires.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago

I’m seeing a lot of very exciting comps if you followed baseball in the 80s. George Brett! Paul Molitor! Bret Saberhagen! John Franco!

Speaking of which, is there any way to get the player age in the comps table? Just to see which age of the 80s stars they’re being comped to? I know I can look it up but it would be super cool to have it right there.

Mahoney
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

And Greg Gross is a real neat one for Kwan, from the 70s.

Best of all, how about the #2 comp for Rosario?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

None of us can look at him the same way anymore.

KvnMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Mahoney

Amed Rosario trots out onto the infield of an ordinary ballpark in America. Cleveland, OH USA. He kicks the dirt and adjusts his cap, not knowing that he occupies now a different dimension. A dimension not dominated by overwhelming power or superlative defense, but a nondescript dimension where ordinary infielders can be valuable simply for being ordinary infielders. Indeed, when Amed Rosario looks towards home as the first pitch is delivered little does he know that his feet are firmly planted… in the Erick Aybar Zone (TM).

Mahoney
3 years ago
Reply to  Kvn

I can confirm that back in the day Sterling Hitchock was basically the Erick Aybar of pitchers.

Left of Centerfield
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The ones for Jose Ramirez are….ummm….interesting. Marcus Semien sandwiched between two no-doubt-about it HOFers (Gehringer and Brett).

EonADSMember since 2024
3 years ago

Hey, in Semien’s Age 31 season, he put up 6.2 fWAR and hit 45 HRs. Pretty nice outcome if Ramirez matches that.

fjtorres
3 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

Rabbit ball coming back?

EonADSMember since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

Given the hullabaloo around MLB switching around the balls for Judge, possibly. I honestly don’t know.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago

FWIW, I still think that Kwan should be the primary CF. Maybe he moves to left when facing left-handed pitching but I’m pretty convinced he’s the future there. I think that’s probably a better bet that a straight Will Brennan / Straw platoon, but I could be convinced that alignment and keeping Kwan in left would work. Maybe.

I think ZiPs is right on Oscar Gonzalez. I’m not certain the Guardians will rue the day they traded Nolan Jones, or anything like that. But I think Jones is probably the better player this year and in the future, and that Gonzalez’s meh performance will have them looking towards Valera by midseason (who also gets a kind of an unfortunate projection here).

I still think Josh Bell will continue to hit well. I don’t think the comps ZiPS has pulled up make any sense. I also think the Guardians should consider dealing Rosario (simply because there are no competent shortstops anywhere right now and he’s in his last year of team control) and throw the other middle infield spot into a 3-way competition between Rocchio, Freeman, and Arias. Or if they really don’t like any of those options, sign Jean Segura.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Valera has impressive comps though. The depth gives hope that someone – we don’t know who – will hit the 80% projection

Trade Rosario for OF or SP? Diamondbacks or Marlins? Who else has a surplus?

Last edited 3 years ago by Ivan_Grushenko
FrancoeursteinMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

I wouldn’t mind the Braves trading Ian Anderson + prospects for Rosario.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

Has Ian Anderson’s star fallen that dramatically? I would think the Guardians would absolutely do that deal, even if the prospects were inconsequential. He’s still a 5th starter at minimum with #3 upside.

StatNerdMember since 2018
3 years ago

ZiPS is too negative on Kwan. I think the 80th percentile projection is probably closer to 50th as Kwan is just *that* good at the plate with the bat and his speed allows him to extend singles to doubles more often than the typical players

He is one of those cases where the numbers don’t accurately reflect his bat control and one should adjust based on the eye test.

His DEF is also better than projected (unless ZiPS assumes the few innings in CF last season are accurate moving forward in which case, ZiPS is still too pessimistic).

Last edited 3 years ago by StatNerd
Mahoney
3 years ago
Reply to  StatNerd

There’s probably a bit of conservatism among the pool of most-comparable players in ZiPS in how they move from their rookie to sophomore year in the majors. If Kwan can repeat his elite bat control stats in 2023 I’d expect a good leap in his updated ZiPS projections.

soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
3 years ago

“Other Naylor”

Excellent as usual, Dan.

EonADSMember since 2024
3 years ago

I’ll take the over on Gonzalez, a speed/power guy who strikes out less than the league average seems like a better bet than the projections can gauge. And he crushes sliders, which are becoming more and more common. His defense needs to improve, but he has the tools. I see him as a 2-3 WAR guy, solid floor but low ceiling.

On the other hand, regardless of how good Bieber and McKenzie are, the rotation scares me. I feel like Quantrill isn’t a good bet to repeat what he did last year. He’s pared down his repertoire, and his whiffs have dropped off, and while his underlying numbers stayed mostly the same, his ERA jumped up. And behind him, who do the Guardians really have? Plesac is a nothing burger, and the rookies are rookies. Weirdly, the roles seem to be reversed.

StatNerdMember since 2018
3 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

They’ve got the *knock-on-wood* three-headed monster of Bisbee, Espino, and Williams. The future of the rotation looks bright and this year is still a developmental year for the MLB club despite the expectations. 2024 is the first “WS-or-bust” year for the club.

EonADSMember since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  StatNerd

TINSTAAPP

StatNerdMember since 2018
3 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

If it exists with any club, it’s CLE. They’re known as the “Pitching Factory” for a reason.

EonADSMember since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  StatNerd

Maybe so, but I’ll say that if any team could use a solid-enough veteran SP on a one year deal, it’s Cle.

fjtorres
3 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

Depends on your definition of “veteran”.
If you go with “known quantity” they have three. One of which may get traded by spring if the any of top kids is ready.

Left of Centerfield
3 years ago
Reply to  StatNerd

You left off Logan Allen who Fangraphs has ranked higher than Williams and Bibee. He’s also closer to the majors than any of the others.

fjtorres
3 years ago

If there is anybody outside the top tier that could take a leap next year it’s Morris. A bit old at 26 but 10+ K/9 makes him interesting for the back end.

StatNerdMember since 2018
3 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

I’m optimistic on Morris. He passes the eye test for me and, I think, deserves a shot at replacing Civale/Plesac.

fjtorres
3 years ago
Reply to  StatNerd

I wouldn’tbe surprised if they’re waiting out the FA backend starters market to shake out before making a trade or two.

BeauMember since 2021
3 years ago
Reply to  StatNerd

Morris was injured for most of 2022 and only threw a total of 38 innings all season so a long relief role and about 70IP seems more likely for 2023.

BradleyZimmernsBizarreHitsMember since 2025
3 years ago
Reply to  fjtorres

I’m in a dynasty expansion draft (5 GMs quit, only 1 team was good, so rosters ro the FA pool) and I’m heavily considering Morris as a 3/4 in a 30 team league

BradleyZimmernsBizarreHitsMember since 2025
3 years ago

*ranked being key. He struggled with his first taste of AAA and the other guys shot up lists more.

Heck, Bibee wasn’t a top 50 prospect in last years rankings

isavage
3 years ago
Reply to  EonADS

Morris + Cantillo + Bibee +Williams +Espino. Then there’s Logan the Allen, X Curry. They have some good upper minor pitching depth. They could use another top of rotation starter, someone “better than Quantrill” basically. Which probably 6 of those above names have potential including Morris right now, and at least 4 of them look like decent bets to challenge McKenzie. I don’t really know why you’d be scared of the pitching, it’s the deepest they have been. Which probably means everything will go wrong

fjtorres
3 years ago
Reply to  isavage

They have a “lot* of three-level floors pitchers.
But they need Williams or Espino to really bloom.
Preferably both.

Max Power
3 years ago
Reply to  isavage

That’s what’s remarkable about this system. Like, yeah, in a vacuum a Kyle Gibson type is likely better than any single one of those prospects, at least for 2023. But it’s highly doubtful that he’ll be better than all 7. So they can pick and choose throughout the season which arms to promote and rely on as performance dictates.

tdouglas
3 years ago

Is it just me, or is the red lettering difficult to read in the WAR image? It could be because I’m on mobile and partially colorblind, but my eyes are struggling worse than a Bartolo belt.

Uncle SpikeMember since 2020
3 years ago

Does ZiPS still like Valera long term? He gets a rather underwhelming projection for this year (104 wRC+) but also his top two comps are Dwight Evans and Aaron Judge. I know ZiPS felt he had huge power before and projected him as a perennial 30+ HR guy. Is that still the case?

BradleyZimmernsBizarreHitsMember since 2025
3 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Spike

I think it’s an age thing, maybe predicting a later bloom in power.

The thing I love about the Judge comparison, having seen Valera is he looks tiny at the plate. 5’11 and crouches lower than I’ve ever seen

FrancoeursteinMember since 2020
3 years ago

Do we think Jose Ramirez is a Hall of Famer? He’s finally in his 30’s and has 40 career bWAR and has showed no signs of slowing down. I think he’s in rather easily if he keeps his peak up for 3-4 more years with a gentle decline. His counting stats probably won’t be incredible, but I’m sure that won’t matter as much in 2035 or so.

The main reason I want him in so bad is because he looks like he has no reason being on a baseball diamond despite regularly being the best player on it.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

I don’t know, but if he puts up another season like he did last year (or in 2021, for that matter) he’ll have five seasons with an fWAR higher than 6. If he puts up even a single 7-win season (which is something like his 75th percentile probably, since his 80th is 7.3) then in 2023 he’s starting to enter Scott Rolen territory in terms of peak.

He has six years left on his contract. Let’s say he puts up 7 wins in 2023, 6 wins in 2024, 5 wins in 2025, 4 wins in 2026, etc. That assumes he declines more than a 0.5 wins per year, but that he has a second banner year. That would give him 27 fWAR, putting him at 68.2 fWAR, about 2 fWAR behind Rolen and with a similar peak. That’s a lock for the Hall of Fame.

If we just take his ZiPS projection for 2023 and round down to 5.5, then follow up by docking 0.5 fWAR each subsequent year, that puts him “only” at 66.7 fWAR and a less impressive peak than Rolen, but he’ll still be an above average starter at third base by the end of the contract, so he’d get time to pad that and probably get above 70 fWAR.

You can play with the intercept of 2023 and the slope of how it changes from there but I think this is telling me that while it’s not a lock by any means there is a very, very real chance he is a Hall of Famer.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
3 years ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

Well, he already has more WAR than Harold Baines.

PhilMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  airforce21one

With Baines, the measure isn’t fWAR but fWAC (friends with access to the committee)

marchandman34Member since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

Ramirez is already a borderline HOFer due to his peak. Bumping his career totals to reflect the COVID season as MVP level, another season like 2022 and id easily support him.

BradleyZimmernsBizarreHitsMember since 2025
3 years ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

He looks like he has no reason to have the sprint speed and steals he does. It makes me optimistic I can be fast too

BradleyZimmernsBizarreHitsMember since 2025
3 years ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

5 tool superstar with a dad bod

mopete12Member since 2023
3 years ago

Seeing Bryan Shaw’s name on the list for possibly the last time brings a tear to my eye

EonADSMember since 2024
3 years ago
Reply to  mopete12

It brings a tear of joy to mine.

MRDXolMember since 2021
3 years ago

the AL Central may largely hinge on whatever the hell is going on with the baseball this coming year. the guardians are built to (when going right) slap the ball around and play good defense, to BABIP and de-BABIP opponents to death respectively, as befits their home park. the white sox are built to (when going right) hit the ball outta the park* and strike all opposing hitters out, as befits their own home park. hence last year’s dead ball played perfectly into cleveland’s hands. a juiced ball may produce the opposite effect.

*for reasons unknown to God or man but solely to Tony La Russa, who is neither, the white sox had hired frank “f*** the home run let’s hit .300” menechino as hitting coach. who was previously in charge of the Marlins teams who hit a huge proportion of singles in 2016-18 or so. really bad fit for a roster full of slow sluggers playing in a small home park that depresses all kinds of offense except the dinger! at least now they have a hitting coach who presumably digs the home run, former asst. hitting coach for Atlanta.

SenorGato
3 years ago

Oooh, I see those projections for Gavin Williams and Espino. It’s still impressive how that org just seems to get SP and keep these guys relatively healthy. They’ve done it across multiple eras too, at least going back to Sabathia

Feel free to send Will Benson to the Cubs…Freak athlete who keeps getting better at hitting. I see all the tools to be a Long Term talent for an org willing to get their hands dirty

Big fan of the top two players on this roster…Ramirez is basically a flawless player, maybe my favorite since Beltran

darren
3 years ago

What a fun bunch of comps. Ramirez gets Brett and Gehringer, Gimenez gets Molitor and Hanley. Way further down the list Valera pulls Dwight Evans and Judge!

Poor Jose Ramirez–his love of Cleveland has cost him hundreds of millions of dollars. On the bright side, cost of living in Cleveland is probably pretty low.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  darren

The Aaron Judge comp is less exciting when you realize Judge was an absolute mess in his first cup of coffee at age 24. That’s almost certainly the near-age comp since Valera is 22.

darren
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Evans’s greatness came later as well. But wait until this guy gets to age 30!

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  darren

Evans was at least functional at 22, though.

__AL
3 years ago

A lot of great comps here but Xzavion Curry’s trifecta of former Cleveland pitchers is a fun one.

lesmashMember since 2017
3 years ago

Maybe I am overreacting to last year’s Statcast numbers, but I am going to take the under on that Jose Ramirez projection. He’ll still be good, of course, but I don’t see another OPS in the 0.875 range if that EV and barrel rate holds.

bh216Member since 2021
3 years ago
Reply to  lesmash

He was dealing with a thumb injury from mid-June onward that noticeably zapped some of his power and appeared to cause an uptick in pop ups.

Your prediction could totally be correct, just know that his drop in EV and barrel rate could easily be explained by a well-documented injury.

fjtorres
3 years ago

Uh, are we sure that’s the “right* Logan Allen?
The numbers look…odd…and when I clicked on the name I got the one in Colorado.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
3 years ago

Paul Molitor, Trea Turner, Hanley Ramirez. Not bad comps for a guy (Gimenez) that was part of the “awful salary dump” that was the Lindor trade.

marinmccoveysMember since 2026
3 years ago

A .336obp/.416slug durable and quality defensive 2b is worth 4.4 war? Perhaps so but I’m struggling with the smell test on that one. I agree that this team seems to have the fewest blatant weaknesses in the division. Man, if they’d just open up the wallet a little for some slugging outfielders they might push deep into the postseason. But they still are playing it cheap.

hughduffy
3 years ago
Reply to  marinmccoveys

Yes. See 2022 Marcus Semien.
161 G, 724 PA, .248 BA/.304 OBP/.429 SLG, 107 wRC+, 4.2 WAR.